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(Huffington Post)   William Shatner on JJ Abrams: "He's being a pig. He's collecting the two franchises and holding them close to his vest. He's gone too far this time." KIRK HAS SPOKEN   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 156
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2013-02-13 02:06:00 PM

FloydA: No matter how much we biatch and moan in this thread, we're all going to be lined up on opening day, demanding that they take our money.


Uhhhhhhhh, no.

/No.
//I don't do first run flicks.
///Too expensive, too much talking, too many breeders with screaming crotch fruit.
////Wait 2 months and catch it at the second run theaters for about 3 bucks.
 
2013-02-13 02:06:10 PM

Jim from Saint Paul: Bslim: Desquamation: JJ's Star Trek is better than TOS.

/TOS sucked.

No. You are wrong.

No. YOU are wrong.

[/argument]


No - You are BOTH wrong!
 
2013-02-13 02:06:48 PM

FLMountainMan: How the fark is William Shatner 81 years old?  He looks 65, tops.  That man must have the best plastic surgeon in the world.


He's pickled from all the Romulan ale he's drank over the years.
 
2013-02-13 02:07:45 PM

anfrind: t's quite possible he would not have lived long to be there to prevent the destruction of Romulus in that timeline.


So he farking tells them that he's a time-traveler and he's trying to help them. And they make sure they have people in place through the generations who can help the situation. It's like the Fifth Element almost.
 
2013-02-13 02:07:55 PM
The best Star Trek movie was the one with the whales and the old lady regrowing a kidney.
 
2013-02-13 02:09:34 PM

anfrind: Also, I suppose that seeing his planet destroyed could have also destroyed his sanity, basically turning him into the "Star Trek" equivalent of a reaver.


The way Nero spits out the "I do not speak for the empire" line implies that he may have tried.

// apparently, the Romulans look at a weirdo who shows up one day all "I'm from the future! All is doomed! Here, take these gifts of technological advancement!" the same way we look at Timecube guy
// a possible explanation, not the explanation
 
2013-02-13 02:18:44 PM

Jim from Saint Paul: Dear Bill,
The last time we let you have any say in Star Trek land you gave us this:
[www.startrek.com image 320x320]
So your opinion on how any franchise should be run is invalid. Shutup and stop whining that Abrams didn't ham-fist you into ST09 like he did Nemoy.

With utmost respect,

Jim from Saint Paul


If you wish to engage in an actual discussion with Bill on this topic, I suggest you head over to reddit. He's a regular on /r/startrek.
 
2013-02-13 02:31:26 PM

PainInTheASP: Jeez Shat, don't be such a dick.  Oh wait--too late.


I think you dont understand Shatners method of extremely dry humor.
 
2013-02-13 02:34:42 PM
I'm just surprised Abrams is still alive. If any other nerd had been given the reigns to Trek and Star Wars they would've literally exploded with glee.

/Yes. Literally.
 
2013-02-13 02:39:36 PM

FLMountainMan: How the fark is William Shatner 81 years old?  He looks 65, tops.  That man must have the best plastic surgeon in the world.


It's all that faster than light travel

/relativity
 
2013-02-13 02:40:52 PM

Desquamation: JJ's Star Trek is better than TOS.

/TOS sucked.


You have no Earthly idea of what you are speaking. Abrams made the engine room of the Enterprise look like a desalinization plant, blew up the very civilization that shepherded humanity into the stars, and still managed to trip over his miniscule dick in doing it. The gaping flaws in logic he created in the story line of Star Trek (In Name Only) are obvious to even a casual viewer.
 
2013-02-13 02:41:04 PM

Jim from Saint Paul: StrikitRich: Desquamation: JJ's Star Trek is better than TOS.

/TOS sucked.

I think you have that backward.  TOS is the one Trek to rule them all.

Well if we are going to make references to "rings":

[images4.wikia.nocookie.net image 550x421]


Habitation or docking?
 
2013-02-13 02:42:55 PM

HAMMERTOE: Desquamation: JJ's Star Trek is better than TOS.

/TOS sucked.

You have no Earthly idea of what you are speaking. Abrams made the engine room of the Enterprise look like a desalinization plant, blew up the very civilization that shepherded humanity into the stars, and still managed to trip over his miniscule dick in doing it. The gaping flaws in logic he created in the story line of Star Trek (In Name Only) are obvious to even a casual viewer.


Have you watched Enterprise?  After doing Season 1, I can totally see how the Abrahams Enterprise is an outgrowth.  And after (2009), Enterprise is the only canon series, so it makes sense.  And by the time of that movie, Vulcans were no longer shepherding us into the stars, we had helped establish the Federation and were independent of the Vulcans.  Kind of like the colonies and Britain reuniting under NATO.
 
2013-02-13 02:48:07 PM

Soulcatcher: AAABBBRRRAAAMMMSSS!!!


Came for this! leaving amused.
 
2013-02-13 02:49:50 PM

karnal: Jim from Saint Paul: Dear Bill,
The last time we let you have any say in Star Trek land you gave us this:
[www.startrek.com image 320x320]
So your opinion on how any franchise should be run is invalid. Shutup and stop whining that Abrams didn't ham-fist you into ST09 like he did Nemoy.

With utmost respect,

Jim from Saint Paul

You, sir, should shut up for you are not even worthy to carry Shatner's tired, old wrinkled testicles.


Ok... so Star Trek 5 isn't the worst star trek of ToS run of movies?
 
2013-02-13 02:49:51 PM
Abrams seems to have a decent name in Hollywood, and I could never figure out why.  I never fully looked at the films Abrams was responsible for until just now, and now I'm baffled.  The films he was a part of are complete dreck.
 
2013-02-13 02:51:59 PM

President Merkin Muffley: Jim from Saint Paul: Dear Bill,
The last time we let you have any say in Star Trek land you gave us this:
[www.startrek.com image 320x320]
So your opinion on how any franchise should be run is invalid. Shutup and stop whining that Abrams didn't ham-fist you into ST09 like he did Nemoy.

With utmost respect,

Jim from Saint Paul

If you wish to engage in an actual discussion with Bill on this topic, I suggest you head over to reddit. He's a regular on /r/startrek.


Then I would have to go be on Reddit.

So rock and hard place with that argument.
 
2013-02-13 02:54:10 PM
I'm mostly worried about that "young Han Solo" slide show at the bottom of TFA.  PLEASE tell me that the next SW movie isn't going to contain classic characters with new actors!

JJ Abrams, if you're reading this, go play KOTOR and KOTOR II and learn about how easy (and awesome!) it is to make up fresh stories at different points in galactic history.
 
2013-02-13 02:56:36 PM
Abrams: It's funny -- a lot of the people who were proclaiming that he must be in this movie were the same people saying it must adhere to canon. Well, his character died on screen. Maybe a smarter group of filmmakers could have figured out how to resolve that.

Well, this is alternate universe Trek, so how is that problem exactly?
 
2013-02-13 03:01:44 PM

LeafyGreens: Abrams: It's funny -- a lot of the people who were proclaiming that he must be in this movie were the same people saying it must adhere to canon. Well, his character died on screen. Maybe a smarter group of filmmakers could have figured out how to resolve that.

Well, this is alternate universe Trek, so how is that problem exactly?


It is NOW.

It wasn't then.

The story of ST09 was that old spock from the 24th centruy comes back with red matter. There is no red matter when Kirk is dead. Red matter as a lot device, is meh at best of course, yet that IS the story. You can;t have him on there or it ruins the "drama" of whether the crew will unite in time to save the galaxy.

*NOW* that we've established that Kirk and Spock are on the Enterprise and you have all your main supporting cast you could 100% have Kirk cameo or what not.
 
2013-02-13 03:06:45 PM

HMS_Blinkin: I'm mostly worried about that "young Han Solo" slide show at the bottom of TFA.  PLEASE tell me that the next SW movie isn't going to contain classic characters with new actors!


Worse; Disney is debating full spinoffs (Han Solo and Yoda are the two I've heard mentioned) in addition to Episodes 7-9.
 
2013-02-13 03:10:56 PM

Droog8912: Abrams seems to have a decent name in Hollywood, and I could never figure out why.  I never fully looked at the films Abrams was responsible for until just now, and now I'm baffled.  The films he was a part of are complete dreck.


I'm with you there.  let's see his directorial efforts:

-Star Wars: Episode VII
-Star Trek Into Darkness
-Super 8
-Undercovers (TV series)
-Star Trek
-Anatomy of Hope (TV movie)
-The Office (TV series)
-Mission: Impossible III
-Alias (TV series)
-Lost (TV series)
-Felicity (TV series)

Okay, MI3 and Super 8 were admittedly good, and Star Trek was great.  He was involved with the initial concept of Lost and stopped directing after making the very expensive pilot episodes, so can he really take credit for the whole show?  Alias was okay, but forgettable.  One episode each for The Office and Felicity, and a failed show (Undercovers).  That's it.

So, how the hell did he land two of the biggest scifi franchises out there?  Is it really from all the Lost hype?  Or his Executive Producer cred (Fringe, Lost, Alcatraz, etc)?
 
2013-02-13 03:12:22 PM

Jim from Saint Paul: President Merkin Muffley: Jim from Saint Paul: Dear Bill,
The last time we let you have any say in Star Trek land you gave us this:
[www.startrek.com image 320x320]
So your opinion on how any franchise should be run is invalid. Shutup and stop whining that Abrams didn't ham-fist you into ST09 like he did Nemoy.

With utmost respect,

Jim from Saint Paul

If you wish to engage in an actual discussion with Bill on this topic, I suggest you head over to reddit. He's a regular on /r/startrek.

Then I would have to go be on Reddit.

So rock and hard place with that argument.


/r/startrek is a solid group of people. It's civil. I won't hold a gun to your head, but don't automatically assume we're all 12 year olds juiced up on ecto cooler over there.
 
2013-02-13 03:22:14 PM
I'd be pissed too if the character I made famous worldwide was depicted as a whiny little biatch in the new film.  The way they handled his promotion was a farking joke and, at least for me, really ruined the whole movie.

I don't know if it was Abrams or one of his hack writers that came up with the whole YOU NEVER LOVED YOUR MOTHER nonsense, but if I was Shatner, I'd find the guy responsible and punch him right in the balls.

30 some odd years of canon and that's the best shiat you can come up with to get James T Motherfarking Kirk in the captain's chair of the Enterprise?  GTFO.
 
2013-02-13 03:24:22 PM

TheHumanCannonball: I'm not that big of a fan of Abram's Trek, though I don't hate them. That said, with him in doing both series, I hope he doesn't start homogenizing things. Lens flare and shaky cam are almost a given


i1125.photobucket.com

/Verily!
 
2013-02-13 03:24:58 PM

AdolfOliverPanties: Or a TJ Hooker remake.


With John Travolta in the lead role just to piss off Shatner.
 
2013-02-13 03:25:46 PM

anfrind: Nero and Spock Prime got sent back a lot more than 50 years--I think it was more like 100 years, and they had no way to control the time warp. I don't think the movie ever revealed Nero's age, but even with Romulans living as long as Vulcans, it's quite possible he would not have lived long to be there to prevent the destruction of Romulus in that timeline.



The precise amount of years is moot. The Romulans have a whole civilization. He doesn't personally have to live 100 years to be able to save his people. He knows he went back in time to before Romulus was destroyed, it's ludicrous that he (and his crew) would do anything other than make a b-line straight for the homeworld to deliver them the key to their salvation AND the technological jump-start they'd need to challenge the Federations hegemony. The tech to save his people alone was the most cutting edge technology the Vulcans of the future could devise... and had powerful military applications.


Also, I suppose that seeing his planet destroyed could have also destroyed his sanity, basically turning him into the "Star Trek" equivalent of a reaver. 

And all of his crew as well? I think a better analogy would be Moby Dick's obsessed Captain Ahab then the chemically induced madmen who are the Reavers... but even if he decided to go all Captain Ahab I can't believe his crew wouldn't have mutinied promptly. They had the chance not only to save their world, but to possibly give their people the advantage they might be able to use to subjugate the galaxy right there all around them.

Even without reverse-engineering the future technology in his ship - or contained in the smaller ship in its hold - just look at what that one bafflingly heavily armed mining ship was able to do to the Federation fleet. What do you think that ship could have done if he had bothered to just make a farkin' phone call to Romulus, "Hey buddies, I got a Romulan ship from the future, and I'm about to go fark up the Federation's day BIG TIME. Back me up, biatches and we can rule the galaxy!"
 
2013-02-13 03:27:04 PM

President Merkin Muffley: Jim from Saint Paul: President Merkin Muffley: Jim from Saint Paul: Dear Bill,
The last time we let you have any say in Star Trek land you gave us this:
[www.startrek.com image 320x320]
So your opinion on how any franchise should be run is invalid. Shutup and stop whining that Abrams didn't ham-fist you into ST09 like he did Nemoy.

With utmost respect,

Jim from Saint Paul

If you wish to engage in an actual discussion with Bill on this topic, I suggest you head over to reddit. He's a regular on /r/startrek.

Then I would have to go be on Reddit.

So rock and hard place with that argument.

/r/startrek is a solid group of people. It's civil. I won't hold a gun to your head, but don't automatically assume we're all 12 year olds juiced up on ecto cooler over there.


Well I assume Fark is full of mysognistic assholes who repeat the same lame ass jokes over and over again. There are a small few who break up that monotony and they are worth spending time with.

As I understand it, most of reddit is even worth.
 
2013-02-13 03:33:59 PM

Jim from Saint Paul: President Merkin Muffley: Jim from Saint Paul: President Merkin Muffley: Jim from Saint Paul: Dear Bill,
The last time we let you have any say in Star Trek land you gave us this:
[www.startrek.com image 320x320]
So your opinion on how any franchise should be run is invalid. Shutup and stop whining that Abrams didn't ham-fist you into ST09 like he did Nemoy.

With utmost respect,

Jim from Saint Paul

If you wish to engage in an actual discussion with Bill on this topic, I suggest you head over to reddit. He's a regular on /r/startrek.

Then I would have to go be on Reddit.

So rock and hard place with that argument.

/r/startrek is a solid group of people. It's civil. I won't hold a gun to your head, but don't automatically assume we're all 12 year olds juiced up on ecto cooler over there.

Well I assume Fark is full of mysognistic assholes who repeat the same lame ass jokes over and over again. There are a small few who break up that monotony and they are worth spending time with.

As I understand it, most of reddit is even worth.


*Worse
 
2013-02-13 03:35:51 PM

Desquamation: JJ's Star Trek is better than TOS.

/TOS sucked.


Kids...
 
2013-02-13 03:45:52 PM

Jim from Saint Paul: karnal: Jim from Saint Paul: Dear Bill,
The last time we let you have any say in Star Trek land you gave us this:
[www.startrek.com image 320x320]
So your opinion on how any franchise should be run is invalid. Shutup and stop whining that Abrams didn't ham-fist you into ST09 like he did Nemoy.

With utmost respect,

Jim from Saint Paul

You, sir, should shut up for you are not even worthy to carry Shatner's tired, old wrinkled testicles.

Ok... so Star Trek 5 isn't the worst star trek of ToS run of movies?


Yes it was....still, you are not worthy.
 
2013-02-13 03:47:24 PM
Also I think Shat is a lot more "tongue in cheek" than you nerdlings give him credit for.
 
2013-02-13 03:54:55 PM

Madbassist1: Also I think Shat is a lot more "tongue in cheek" than you nerdlings give him credit for.


He's also old. REALLLY old. Like, grandpa, you don't get to use the remote control anymore old.
 
2013-02-13 04:01:23 PM

Bslim: Desquamation: JJ's Star Trek is better than TOS.

/TOS sucked.

No. You are wrong.


Well, season 3 was pretty crappy.
 
2013-02-13 04:03:03 PM
 
2013-02-13 04:04:12 PM
He's probably the most talented director

img.myconfinedspace.com
 
2013-02-13 04:28:40 PM

mongbiohazard: anfrind: Nero and Spock Prime got sent back a lot more than 50 years--I think it was more like 100 years, and they had no way to control the time warp. I don't think the movie ever revealed Nero's age, but even with Romulans living as long as Vulcans, it's quite possible he would not have lived long to be there to prevent the destruction of Romulus in that timeline.


The precise amount of years is moot. The Romulans have a whole civilization. He doesn't personally have to live 100 years to be able to save his people. He knows he went back in time to before Romulus was destroyed, it's ludicrous that he (and his crew) would do anything other than make a b-line straight for the homeworld to deliver them the key to their salvation AND the technological jump-start they'd need to challenge the Federations hegemony. The tech to save his people alone was the most cutting edge technology the Vulcans of the future could devise... and had powerful military applications.


Perhaps, although there are ways to build a plot that avoids that hole.  Off the top of my head, maybe he doesn't know which exact star went nova and destroyed Romulus, for example (which is still pretty shaky given that even a 20th-century scientist could recognize a star at risk of going nova, but no worse than the idea of a supernova destroying Romulus in the first place).

Someone earlier in the thread also remarked that a crazy guy claiming to be from the future and predicting the doom of Romulus might seem as crazy to 23rd-century Romulans as the Timecube guy seems to 21st-century humans.  Although I suspect we'd have a different view of the Timecube guy if he possessed powerful weaponry centuries ahead of our time.


Also, I suppose that seeing his planet destroyed could have also destroyed his sanity, basically turning him into the "Star Trek" equivalent of a reaver.

And all of his crew as well? I think a better analogy would be Moby Dick's obsessed Captain Ahab then the chemically induced madmen who are the Reavers... but even if he decided to go all Captain Ahab I can't believe his crew wouldn't have mutinied promptly. They had the chance not only to save their world, but to possibly give their people the advantage they might be able to use to subjugate the galaxy right there all around them.


I'd agree that Captain Ahab is a better analogy, but as I recall all of Nero's crewmembers (or at least the ones who had speaking roles) were just as psychotic as Nero himself was--a ship full of Ahabs, so to speak.  Which might not be that far-fetched, since the entire crew witnessed the destruction of Romulus, not just Nero.

Which makes me wonder: if Spock had not had such a firm grip on his emotions, would watching the destruction of Vulcan have driven him just as mad as it did Nero?
 
2013-02-13 04:32:43 PM

Tyrone Slothrop: Bslim: Desquamation: JJ's Star Trek is better than TOS.

/TOS sucked.

No. You are wrong.

Well, season 3 was pretty crappy.


The TOS films were infinity better than the TNG films and JJ's Star Trek film was Star Wars only not as intellectually deep.
 
2013-02-13 04:35:36 PM

Mugato: was Star Wars only not as intellectually deep.


is that a joke?
 
2013-02-13 04:38:59 PM
I don't have the guts to post it on reddit where he might see it... But:
Shut up, Bill.
 
2013-02-13 04:41:09 PM

A Terrible Human: The best Star Trek movie was the one with the whales and the old lady regrowing a kidney.


Well you certainly live up to your name with that comment...
 
2013-02-13 04:41:55 PM
Pleeease find a role for the Shatner in Star Wars VII.
 
2013-02-13 04:44:57 PM

Madbassist1: Mugato: was Star Wars only not as intellectually deep.

is that a joke?


Yes, that was a joke. Meaning that it was even dumber than the worst Star Wars movie. Christ, what concept doesn't need to be explicitly explained to everyone?
 
2013-02-13 04:50:17 PM

Ennuipoet: [static.tvguide.com image 210x305]
"Soon I will have Babylon 5 AND Stargate...and I will be the Supreme Power in the UNIVERSE!"
/Diabolical Laughter


If that were only true he would have my vote.
 
2013-02-13 05:06:36 PM
As the proud owner of this
fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net
All I can say is, Kirk has spoken. Chris Pine is all well and good, but he'll never be half the Kirk Shatner was.

\ It's in a lovely 11x14 black frame on my wall. Every so often our eyes lock while I pick my nose.
\\ I enjoyed JJ's Trek but it aint really Star Trek
\\\ TOS is the best, despite Fark's hardon for DS9
 
2013-02-13 05:12:20 PM

FloydA: No matter how much we biatch and moan in this thread, we're all going to be lined up on opening day, demanding that they take our money.


I'm already camping...
 
2013-02-13 05:16:44 PM

Madbassist1: Also I think Shat is a lot more "tongue in cheek" than you nerdlings give him credit for.


Well you are talking to a group of people who probably can't read the article because it may have words with more than two syllables...
 
2013-02-13 05:21:44 PM

anfrind: I'd agree that Captain Ahab is a better analogy, but as I recall all of Nero's crewmembers (or at least the ones who had speaking roles) were just as psychotic as Nero himself was--a ship full of Ahabs, so to speak.  Which might not be that far-fetched, since the entire crew witnessed the destruction of Romulus, not just Nero.

Which makes me wonder: if Spock had not had such a firm grip on his emotions, would watching the destruction of Vulcan have driven him just as mad as it did Nero?


Did they break all of their little ships?
 
2013-02-13 05:24:27 PM

mongbiohazard: anfrind: it's ludicrous that he (and his crew) would do anything other than make a b-line straight for the homeworld to deliver them the key to their salvation AND the technological jump-start they'd need to challenge the Federations hegemony.


I'm pretty sure the movie made it clear the Narada by itself outclassed and outgunned the entire Federation flotilla sent to aid Vulcan, having previously taken out a large group of Klingon birds of prey days before.  I'm also pretty sure Kirk in the movie made his point rather clear that it didn't matter where the Federation ships rallied up at, Nero would mow them all down like grass.  No need to visit Romulus.
 
2013-02-13 05:26:33 PM

Representative of the unwashed masses: anfrind: I'd agree that Captain Ahab is a better analogy, but as I recall all of Nero's crewmembers (or at least the ones who had speaking roles) were just as psychotic as Nero himself was--a ship full of Ahabs, so to speak.  Which might not be that far-fetched, since the entire crew witnessed the destruction of Romulus, not just Nero.

Which makes me wonder: if Spock had not had such a firm grip on his emotions, would watching the destruction of Vulcan have driven him just as mad as it did Nero?

Did they break all of their little ships?


No, but he could have used the Star Trek: Save the Whales slingshot around the sun time travel thing to save his planet as he did Earth.
 
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