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(Americablog)   The AP bans using the words "Husband", "Wife" and "Fellow Human" when referring to married same-sex couples. Yes, some people have a problem with this   (americablog.com) divider line 28
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2013-02-13 11:22:49 AM  
6 votes:
Umm...how about 'spouse'?
2013-02-13 12:59:58 PM  
4 votes:
I believe dehumanizing the subject is one of the first rules of propaganda.
2013-02-13 12:24:31 PM  
3 votes:

someonelse: Lumpmoose: The My Little Pony Killer: Perhaps the AP could solve this issue by, oh I dunno, interviewing the people they're going to be discussing in their little news pieces?

According to TFA, that's their revised policy in response to the uproar:

SAME-SEX COUPLES: We were asked how to report about same-sex couples who call themselves "husband" and "wife." Our view is that such terms may be used in AP content if those involved have regularly used those terms ("Smith is survived by his husband, John Jones") or in quotes attributed to them. Generally AP uses couples or partners to describe people in civil unions or same-sex marriages.

It still raises the question why AP doesn't feel the need to interview straight married couples about their preferred terms or why a same-sex couple would ever get married if they didn't want to be called husband/wife.

I assumed the issue was that in some same sex couples, both partners identify as husbands, or wives. And in the real world, AP isn't going to be able to determine the preference of everyone in every story. "Husband" and "wife" seem like they should be relegated to informal use and kept out of journalism anyway.


That's fine if they ditch the husband/wife terms for opposite-sex married couples as well.  All they need is consistency.
2013-02-13 11:54:56 AM  
3 votes:
Husband and Wife are antiquated terms, and should be discontinued, as are Mr. and Mrs.  Just use someone's name.  Example:  "John Smith, 87 of Farkistan is survived by his spouse, Joe/Jane Smith and their three children."

If you choose to refer to your same sex spouse as husband or wife, cool, but let's use a gender neutral description for public consumption.
2013-02-13 11:14:05 AM  
3 votes:
Now there, my friends, is a genuinely sucky blog.
2013-02-13 02:46:41 PM  
2 votes:
Homosexual marriage is pursued as a means to an end. Homosexuals, by an exceedingly large margin, do not wish to get married or to form civil unions. Rather, they want to be accepted as normal. Their hope is that public approval of homosexuality will follow the legal establishment of homosexual marriages.
2013-02-13 01:59:48 PM  
2 votes:
Let me get this straight. The Associated Press is attempting to ask people what they prefer to be called, so they are able to print things as accurately as possible. If they are unsure, they're to use the generic term "partner." If the couple uses the terms "husband" or "wife," then they're okay to print.

It sounds to me like they don't want to go printing things without verifying first. What's the problem?
2013-02-13 01:58:47 PM  
2 votes:
I can't stand people calling me and my husband 'partners' - I know they're trying to be polite but we don't own a damn law firm and if we did we'd live in a much nicer house and I'd be in shape from chasing ambulances.

What really pisses me off is when old crusty lesbians or old queen gay men refer to their 'partner' - eff that. If you want marriage equality but then don't want to use 'straight people terms' then screw you and shut up.

**off soapbox**
2013-02-13 12:08:42 PM  
2 votes:

Lumpmoose: The My Little Pony Killer: Perhaps the AP could solve this issue by, oh I dunno, interviewing the people they're going to be discussing in their little news pieces?

According to TFA, that's their revised policy in response to the uproar:

SAME-SEX COUPLES: We were asked how to report about same-sex couples who call themselves "husband" and "wife." Our view is that such terms may be used in AP content if those involved have regularly used those terms ("Smith is survived by his husband, John Jones") or in quotes attributed to them. Generally AP uses couples or partners to describe people in civil unions or same-sex marriages.

It still raises the question why AP doesn't feel the need to interview straight married couples about their preferred terms or why a same-sex couple would ever get married if they didn't want to be called husband/wife.


I assumed the issue was that in some same sex couples, both partners identify as husbands, or wives. And in the real world, AP isn't going to be able to determine the preference of everyone in every story. "Husband" and "wife" seem like they should be relegated to informal use and kept out of journalism anyway.
2013-02-13 11:56:27 AM  
2 votes:

The My Little Pony Killer: Perhaps the AP could solve this issue by, oh I dunno, interviewing the people they're going to be discussing in their little news pieces?


According to TFA, that's their revised policy in response to the uproar:

SAME-SEX COUPLES: We were asked how to report about same-sex couples who call themselves "husband" and "wife." Our view is that such terms may be used in AP content if those involved have regularly used those terms ("Smith is survived by his husband, John Jones") or in quotes attributed to them. Generally AP uses couples or partners to describe people in civil unions or same-sex marriages.

It still raises the question why AP doesn't feel the need to interview straight married couples about their preferred terms or why a same-sex couple would ever get married if they didn't want to be called husband/wife.
2013-02-13 11:12:54 AM  
2 votes:
AP is overruling the 9 states and the District of Columbia that have legal marriages for gay couples. AP says no.  They're not really marriages.
And what about foreign marriages?  Same-sex couples can marry in a growing number of countries now. AP has also decided that they're not really married either.
What business is it of the Associated Press to determine that it doesn't believe legally wed gay couples, in the US or abroad, are actually legally wed?


For fark's sake. Breathless pearl-clutching like this isn't helping.
2013-02-13 06:56:09 PM  
1 votes:
What about "Butt-Buddies"? That would work.
2013-02-13 03:54:58 PM  
1 votes:
No one should be surprised at this.  AP has been a right-wing news service since at least the Reagan administration.
2013-02-13 03:54:55 PM  
1 votes:
This is what happens when Rupert Murdoch gets to influence your "news" organization.
2013-02-13 03:52:41 PM  
1 votes:

GreenAdder: Let me get this straight. The Associated Press is attempting to ask people what they prefer to be called, so they are able to print things as accurately as possible. If they are unsure, they're to use the generic term "partner." If the couple uses the terms "husband" or "wife," then they're okay to print.

It sounds to me like they don't want to go printing things without verifying first. What's the problem?


Because it's a bit bizzare to say 'these two are married; therefore we will  not call them husband and wife\husband and husband\wife and wife'.

Kind of like how if I'm referring to a pair of siblings, it would be weird to say 'these two are siblings; therefore I will  not call them brother and sister, instead I will call them 'descendants of the same parentage'".
2013-02-13 03:46:28 PM  
1 votes:
I'm gay, and frankly I hate the term 'partner'. I am not in a business relationship with my boyfriend. If we wind up married we will be husband and husband (we live in New York, so it is possible).
2013-02-13 03:19:32 PM  
1 votes:
What business is it of the Associated Press to determine that it doesn't believe legally wed gay couples, in the US or abroad, are actually legally wed?


What business of yours is it what the AP decides to do? They don't "determine" anything. They don't abrogate a marriage with their verbage.

Wayyyyyy too much complaining here. Just say "I think the AP sucks for doing this" but don't claim that they are having an actual effect on gay marriages.

That's as stupid as claiming gay marriages are "ruining" marriage for other people.
2013-02-13 02:59:23 PM  
1 votes:
Spouse ought to do just fine. Unmarried but definitely connected straight couples seem to use "partner" or other options. When you quote, use the words used by the person quoted unless they are inherently offensive or rude.

Bureaucrats can say "equivalent to married partner" or "spouse".
2013-02-13 02:57:35 PM  
1 votes:

Ennuipoet: Husband and Wife are antiquated terms, and should be discontinued, as are Mr. and Mrs.


OK, it's thread jacking, ranting, bone picking time.
I got robbed.  I expected that I would grow up and people would call me "Mr. D" instead the neighborhood children call me Mike.  The best I've gotten is Mr. Mike.  I don't even call my boss by his last name.  This is crap.  Where's the respect? Where's the dignity? I can't be the one guy walking around calling everyone "Mister" I'll look like a psychopath or a sailer with PTSD.

"Mr. D" was not my father, my father delivered pizzas and smoked pot.  I want to be an ADULT.  I don't want to wear t-shirts and shorts and converse all stars.  I want to wear slacks and button up shirts and leather shoes that don't wear out in 6 months.

I file my phone bill.  I shop for insurance.  I have a mortgage.  I fret over my 401K.  What is so WRONG with that?  Why do people feel the need to dress like a Kevin Smith movie extra and insist I call them "Steve"?  Good God man, you're an attorney.  Put a tie on.  -And not the one with skulls and crossbones on it.

/get off my lawn
2013-02-13 02:47:42 PM  
1 votes:
"Don't you see that the whole aim of Newspeak is to narrow the range of thought?  Every concept that can ever be needed will be expressed by eactly one word, with its meaning rigidly defined and all its subsidiary meanings rubbed out and forgotten. . . ."
2013-02-13 02:46:18 PM  
1 votes:

Onkel Buck: Can we just start wearing plain gray Snuggies and have everything taste like plain vanilla already? That way no one will ever be offended again


Hey, I like the color grey and the taste of vanilla. Are you suggesting my tastes are bland? I take offense to that!
2013-02-13 02:42:32 PM  
1 votes:

kid_icarus: I'm confused...I didn't read the AP memos to mean what the angry blogger seemed to think they meant...but I couldn't quite decide what they  actuallymeant.


AP generally doesn't know what they mean 80% of the time anyway.
2013-02-13 02:18:31 PM  
1 votes:

slayer199: gopher321: Umm...how about 'spouse'?

that's what I was thinking....seems like a pretty neutral term.


I'm okay with that, too. I just wouldn't want to go firing off "husband" or "wife" unless I was sure that was the preferred nomenclature of the couple.
2013-02-13 02:08:41 PM  
1 votes:
My sister-in-law is married to a woman. They are vehemently opposed to describing each other as "wives".
I do not think they are unique among lesbians in this.

Call people what they want to be called. It's not as hard as it sounds.
2013-02-13 01:41:55 PM  
1 votes:
I dont think that they are trying to be dicks.

They are trying to be "politically correct" because they dont want to upset readers.

We havent had this kind of national discourse yet as we have been more worried about getting it legalized than going into absolute detail.
2013-02-13 12:26:08 PM  
1 votes:
Gaymates?
2013-02-13 11:53:59 AM  
1 votes:
They should use "Top", "Bottom", "Dom" and "Sub"

The My Little Pony Killer: Perhaps the AP could solve this issue by, oh I dunno, interviewing the people they're going to be discussing in their little news pieces?


(She self identifies as a soft-butch)
2013-02-13 11:29:23 AM  
1 votes:
I'm confused...I didn't read the AP memos to mean what the angry blogger seemed to think they meant...but I couldn't quite decide what they  actuallymeant.
 
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