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(Toronto Star)   Chernobyl roof collapses under snow. EVERYONE SHOULD BE ABSOLUTELY CALM   (thestar.com) divider line 130
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2013-02-13 10:47:49 AM
Should've had Allstate, mayhem is everywhere
 
2013-02-13 11:16:50 AM
We can only hope they evacuate the area in time. Oh wait.
 
2013-02-13 11:21:56 AM
Those Russians sure know how to build 'em to last.
 
2013-02-13 11:46:34 AM
That place is so farked up now anyway, not even a glitch.
 
2013-02-13 11:49:19 AM

gopher321: Those Russians sure know how to build 'em to last.


Seriously. No maintenance in almost 30 years? On a flat roof? That's kinda impressive.
 
2013-02-13 11:55:43 AM

unlikely: gopher321: Those Russians sure know how to build 'em to last.

Seriously. No maintenance in almost 30 years? On a flat roof? That's kinda impressive.


^^^ that

it's a turbine housing, nothing hazardous in it.
 
2013-02-13 11:57:52 AM
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2013-02-13 12:31:22 PM

Kazan: it's a turbine housing, nothing hazardous in it.


Not much, intentionally anyway.  The RBMK did route water directly from the core to the turbines (like BWRs do) without heat exchangers.  So, like BWRs, you couldn't be in the turbine hall when they were running, but it was mostly just activated nitrogen (from oxygen in the water) you were worried about, so you could go in an hour after shutdown.

With the direct-flow, I'd suspect some other nasty stuff made it to the turbine hall when everything went to hell in 86.  Not a massive amount, though.
 
2013-02-13 01:22:25 PM
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2013-02-13 02:18:31 PM
So Ukraine is weak?

encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com
 
2013-02-13 02:26:41 PM
The radiation only senses movement. So remain absolutely still.
 
2013-02-13 02:28:10 PM
Kazan:
it's a turbine housing, nothing hazardous in it.

Yeah but you know there was at least one poor bastard near the site who heard that thing collapse and was like "OH SHIAT!"
 
2013-02-13 02:28:29 PM

gopher321: Those Russians sure know how to build 'em to last.


It was never built to last.
 
2013-02-13 02:28:53 PM
KIEV, UKRAINE-Ukrainian officials on Wednesday sought to reassure the public that radiation levels were unaffected at Chornobyl and there was no safety threat after a partial roof collapse at the exploded nuclear power plant.


It's good that they want to learn from their mistakes, but separating a nuclear power plant's major components from each other for ease of viewing doesn't seem like a good decision in this case.
 
2013-02-13 02:29:41 PM
Now they will have to build an even bigger "sarcophagus" over the existing cement cover.

Soon it will be many layers of massive cement covers. Too bad there isn't an apt Russian analogy involving snugly fitting boxes or containers of some kind.
 
2013-02-13 02:30:22 PM
Snowflakes will now all look alike.
 
2013-02-13 02:33:02 PM
I'm not sure what criteria Russian engineers use in structural design but "snow" is a pretty big one in Canuckistan. Top of the list, really.
 
2013-02-13 02:33:37 PM
But today's new and modern nuclear power plant designs, citizens, today's designs, will create a veritable utopia in which nuclear energy is clean, cheap and safe.  So cheap that we may not even need to meter it!
 
2013-02-13 02:33:42 PM
They should just drop a mini-nuke on the place to prevent any future collapses. Fight fire with fire, baby.
 
2013-02-13 02:33:44 PM

Gyrfalcon: gopher321: Those Russians sure know how to build 'em to last.

It was never built to last.


It wasn't built in Russia, either.
 
2013-02-13 02:33:52 PM
Vinci and Bouygues, two French construction companies who are contracted to work on building the new confinement, said they had evacuated about 80 workers as a precaution. They had not returned as of Wednesday.

So they...surrendered?
 
2013-02-13 02:33:54 PM

uncleacid: Snowflakes will now all look alike.


There are many copies and they have a plan.
 
2013-02-13 02:33:59 PM
I  blame global warming.

Just add this to the list of things global warming causes - nuclear power accidents.
 
2013-02-13 02:35:07 PM
Get out of here STALKER.
 
2013-02-13 02:35:12 PM
I first read that as "Chernobyl Roof Party".
 
2013-02-13 02:35:39 PM

Diogenes: [motywdrogi.pl image 500x246]


Nuclear Winter?  I loved that game..
 
2013-02-13 02:35:56 PM

Evil Mackerel: uncleacid: Snowflakes will now all look alike.

There are many copies and they have a plan.


encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com
 
2013-02-13 02:36:19 PM

SevenizGud: I  blame global warming.

Just add this to the list of things global warming causes - nuclear power accidents.


The bint on network TV the other day interviewing Bill Nye about the asteroid close pass coming up on Friday asked him if global warming could have caused that, too.
 
2013-02-13 02:36:20 PM
ВСЕ ПАНИКИ!
 
2013-02-13 02:36:55 PM
Chernobyl was getting jealous of all the attention Fukushima has been getting.
 
2013-02-13 02:37:02 PM
www.toplessrobot.com
Chernobyl, Schernobyl...

Do what the McClanes do when you visit an old nuclear station - wear leather jackets and jeans.
 
2013-02-13 02:38:44 PM
What the hell is a "Chornobyl?"
 
2013-02-13 02:38:47 PM
"Even if the radiation level has not changed, it's still an alarming signal," Vladimir Chuprov, head of the energy program at Greenpeace Russia, said, according to the Interfax news agency. "If the panels in the turbine hall have collapsed, then in principle there is no guarantee that the sarcophagus, built in 1986, will not start falling apart in the near future."

This doesn't really follow. These two things were built for completely different purposes, there's no reason to believe that the collapse of a roof in a turbine hall has any relation to the structure of a protective dome over a major nuclear disaster. It could be indicative that other parts of the original Chernobyl plant are in danger of collapse, but the sarcophagus is a completely different structure.
 
2013-02-13 02:39:28 PM
Emairgency.  Emairgency.  Everybody to get from strit.  Emairgency.
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2013-02-13 02:39:42 PM
Inconceivable! Al Gore told me there would be no more infidel snow.  He triple guaranteed it.
 
2013-02-13 02:39:55 PM

brantgoose: Now they will have to build an even bigger "sarcophagus" over the existing cement cover.


A modern containment structure is already being built.
 
2013-02-13 02:40:09 PM
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2013-02-13 02:40:29 PM
Also, don't make any sudden moves, and avoid eye contact. Nuclear power plants can sense fear.
 
2013-02-13 02:41:14 PM

Kibbler: But today's new and modern nuclear power plant designs, citizens, today's designs, will create a veritable utopia in which nuclear energy is clean, cheap and safe.  So cheap that we may not even need to meter it!


Without maintenance any structure lasting for 30 years of freezing and thawing isn't half bad. An already weakened structure lasting that long is pretty damn good.

Also:
The building it is in has nothing to do with the reactor design. Your post is pretty much the same as ripping part of the gasket around your sunroof, then parking your car outside in alternating freezing and direct sunlight and then saying, "Internal combustion engines are dangerous!" when it leaks.
 
2013-02-13 02:41:16 PM
"Yes, it is unpleasant, but there is no danger."

If a section of the roof collapsing did not create any risk then what's the point of the roof altogether? Wouldn't it be better to bring it down entirely?
 
2013-02-13 02:41:36 PM
The place is holding up well over the years...
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Get out of here....
 
2013-02-13 02:42:13 PM

TheOmni: "Even if the radiation level has not changed, it's still an alarming signal," Vladimir Chuprov, head of the energy program at Greenpeace Russia, said, according to the Interfax news agency. "If the panels in the turbine hall have collapsed, then in principle there is no guarantee that the sarcophagus, built in 1986, will not start falling apart in the near future."

This doesn't really follow. These two things were built for completely different purposes, there's no reason to believe that the collapse of a roof in a turbine hall has any relation to the structure of a protective dome over a major nuclear disaster. It could be indicative that other parts of the original Chernobyl plant are in danger of collapse, but the sarcophagus is a completely different structure.


It's greenpeace. They exist to be terrified of absolutely everything nuclear.
 
2013-02-13 02:44:57 PM
fpsunknown.com

"If only you could have seen the things I have seen"
 
2013-02-13 02:45:37 PM

traylor: "Yes, it is unpleasant, but there is no danger."

If a section of the roof collapsing did not create any risk then what's the point of the roof altogether? Wouldn't it be better to bring it down entirely?


Probably because spending time in the area isn't a great idea. Why bother taking the time to do something that will eventually happen on it's own?
 
2013-02-13 02:48:14 PM

GungFu: Chernobyl, Schernobyl...


Harrisburg
Sellafield
Hiroshima

http://youtu.be/QAGCVYDJHss
 
2013-02-13 02:49:00 PM

Voiceofreason01: Kazan:
it's a turbine housing, nothing hazardous in it.

Yeah but you know there was at least one poor bastard near the site who heard that thing collapse and was like "OH SHIAT!"


um.. no... not really. look up the Chernobyl Exclusion Zone

nobody lives there
 
2013-02-13 02:51:48 PM
And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter.
 
2013-02-13 02:52:58 PM
FTFA:Vladimir Chuprov, head of the energy program at Greenpeace Russia

Imagine that's a fun place to work.
 
2013-02-13 02:56:04 PM

Pants_Optional: Diogenes: [motywdrogi.pl image 500x246]

Nuclear Winter?  I loved that game..


Me too.  I'm not much of a gamer, but that one rocked.  Loved designing my own heroes.
 
2013-02-13 03:00:42 PM

TheOmni: "Even if the radiation level has not changed, it's still an alarming signal," Vladimir Chuprov, head of the energy program at Greenpeace Russia, said, according to the Interfax news agency. "If the panels in the turbine hall have collapsed, then in principle there is no guarantee that the sarcophagus, built in 1986, will not start falling apart in the near future."

This doesn't really follow. These two things were built for completely different purposes, there's no reason to believe that the collapse of a roof in a turbine hall has any relation to the structure of a protective dome over a major nuclear disaster. It could be indicative that other parts of the original Chernobyl plant are in danger of collapse, but the sarcophagus is a completely different structure.


Agreed, but that's the kind of "thought process" the rabidly anti-anything people use.  Doesn't matter if it's nuclear power, guns, or anything else.  "I don't understand (thing), so I'm going to pretend the risk is the same as (otherthing I don't understand)".

The first instinct of a logical person is to try to counter this sort of thing with logic.  That's the last thing that's going to work on them.  Not  saying I know what WILL work on them, but logic sure as hell isn't working.

Even more puzzling to me are people who pretend to be environmentalists, but who are against building modern nuclear power plant designs.  They fixate on Three Mile Island (a non-event), Chernobyl (a horrible design never used in this country, and being run in an unsafe manner at time of failure, and Fukishima (a reactor design from only a few years after Hiroshima), and pretend they are relevant to current reactor design.
 
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