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(Yahoo)   Dear Abby: My two daughters are sharing one husband when it comes to sex. My husband says any man who would refuse this "set-up" would be nuts, but I think it's horrendous. Should I continue to protest or let it go?   (news.yahoo.com) divider line 85
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2013-02-13 10:10:47 AM
19 votes:

The Italian Farker: Why is it BS? My wife's sister moved in with us when their parents died. She was 17 at the time but on her 18th birthday my wife wanted me to have sex with her so she could enjoy it without getting pregnant. Went on for about 2 years until she met someone responsible. Both couples are still together after 20+ years


Of all the things that never happened, this never happened the most.
2013-02-13 09:35:54 AM
18 votes:
I'll bet lots of internet dollars that not a single person in this story looks like we want them to look. Assuming, of course, that it's not total bullshiat, which it is.
2013-02-13 09:26:43 AM
12 votes:
Abby's response to this should have simply been "Stop lying".
2013-02-13 09:32:47 AM
11 votes:
Dear Heart-Broken Mom:

Your daughters are whores. Well done.
2013-02-13 12:26:05 PM
8 votes:
Dear  Heartbroken Mom in Florida :

Let your adult daughters and the adult male in this make their own adult decisions. If everyone is fine with this setup, and is mature enough to not let jealousy get in the way(And plenty of people can and do handle this just fine), then back off and let them live their own lives... Butt out.
2013-02-13 09:45:29 AM
6 votes:
Well, you know, two chicks at one time are the fantasy.

Living with it as an ongoing setup would be hell on earth, especially if they're sisters. Assuming, of course, that it's really happening, which it isn't.
2013-02-13 01:03:02 PM
5 votes:
F*ck you, Abby. You start out ok, acknowledging that these sisters have different views on relationships. Then you go into judgmental mode, telling mom that she's the only one who hasn't lost her sanity.

THERE IS NOTHING THAT HAPPENS BETWEEN CONSENTING ADULTS THAT IS WRONG. It's their goddamn business, and they are not immoral for doing whatever the hell they want as long as they aren't lying to or hurting anyone.
2013-02-13 12:32:19 PM
5 votes:
Fake but harmless even if real. Many people, myself included, do not see sex in the same way that our parents do. Deceit is evil, casual sex is not. I've always been surprised how needlessly simplistic people can be.

Sex is not evil, it's ambivalent to morality, in the way that flavor is not related to obesity. Evil exists when people exert control over situations and people that they have no authority or consent to exert. They do it through manipulation and deception. Absent these two things, sex is as innocent as a back massage or a tennis match.
2013-02-13 12:49:39 PM
4 votes:
FTA: Melanie is naive to think that encouraging Sam to have a sexual relationship with her sister will discourage him from seeking other partners. Far from it. And as for her wanting to start a family, has she considered what will happen if her husband impregnates Alicia at the same time -- or first?

And? So what?

It sounds more like her daughters are polyamorous but just don't have a word for it. It also sounds like "Dear Abby" hasn't got a clue. Poly is (at least most of the time) ethical non-monogamy. Why "cheat" if you can say to your wife or GF "You know Thatgirl? I kind of like her, would you mind if I took her on a date?" You set ground rules, you talk a lot, you all have happy lives. Actually, one married poly couple I know, the woman got pregnant and they're not entirely sure if it was her husband or her BF who got her pregnant. And, really, they don't care. She's preggers, she's happy, she loves her men, they love her. What's the big deal?
2013-02-13 11:33:09 AM
4 votes:

Pocket Ninja: I'll bet lots of internet dollars that not a single person in this story looks like we want them to look. Assuming, of course, that it's not total bullshiat, which it is.


I'm picturing two really fat broads, and a skinny little white guy in a wifebeater, so they probably look like how I think they look.
2013-02-13 12:33:32 PM
3 votes:

miss diminutive: So, assuming both women get pregnant their children would be both siblings and cousins.


Many, many years ago, when I was twenty-three
I got married to a widow as pretty as could be
This widow had a grown up daughter, with flowing hair of red,
My father fell in love with her and soon the two were wed.
This made my dad my son-in-law and changed my very life.
Now my stepdaughter was my mother, for she was my father's wife.

To complicate the matters more, although it brought me joy,
I soon became the father of a bouncing baby boy.
My little baby then became a brother-in-law to dad,
And so became my uncle, though it made me very sad.
For if he was my uncle, then that also made him brother
To the widow's grown up daughter, who of course was my step-mother.

Father's wife then had a son, who kept them on the run.
And he became my grandson, for he was my daughter's son.
My wife is now my mother's mother and it makes me blue.
Because although she is my wife, she's now my grandma too.
If my wife is my grandmother, then I am her grandchild.
And every time I think of it, It simply drives me wild.

For now I have become The strangest case you ever saw,
As the husband of my grandmother, I am my own grandpa!
2013-02-13 11:13:46 AM
3 votes:
It's great until one of the crazy broads stabs you.
2013-02-13 10:50:29 AM
3 votes:

Elandriel: The Italian Farker: the_rev: The Italian Farker: on her 18th birthday my wife wanted me to have sex with her so she could enjoy it without getting pregnant.

Your wife... *wanted* you to fcuck her 18-year-old sister?

That is...unusual.

Yes it was unusual but well who am I to refuse, I was 24 at the time. I should note that she was a Butterface.

Also, possibly Canadian.


And then she died of cancer.
2013-02-13 04:02:26 PM
2 votes:

Crapinoleum: spiderpaz: m00: El Pachuco: Yeah, no.  While there are a near-infinite number of women in the world and in theory anything's possible, I've so far only seen women be both extremely protective of, and extremely competitive with, their female siblings.  This is about as likely as having a three-way with twin sisters, vs a three-way with two unrelated lady types.

Also, this (NSFW),

Actually my college room-mate was dating this girl, and cheating on her with her identical twin. I was like... "what's the point" but he swore there was a difference.

ROFL!!  omg, that's too damn funny.  The grass is always greener never applied to vagina so well.

A green vagina?  Eeewww!


mydisguises.com

"Eww?" I'd hit it!
2013-02-13 02:07:18 PM
2 votes:

ciberido: ChaoticLimbs: Fake but harmless even if real. Many people, myself included, do not see sex in the same way that our parents do. Deceit is evil, casual sex is not. I've always been surprised how needlessly simplistic people can be.

Sex is not evil, it's ambivalent to morality, in the way that flavor is not related to obesity. Evil exists when people exert control over situations and people that they have no authority or consent to exert. They do it through manipulation and deception. Absent these two things, sex is as innocent as a back massage or a tennis match.

I'm currently reading "The righteous mind : why good people are divided by politics and religion" by Jonathan Haidt.  He argues that moral systems are based on six foundations (care, Fairness, liberty, loyalty, respect, and sanctity), and that will all morality systems are based on these six foundations, different morality systems stress some foundations more than others.  One of the big ideas in his book is that liberal Westeral morality puts great emphasis on the care/harm foundation but almost no emphasis on all on sanctity.

I'm pretty sure he would say that your argument was a good example of putting lots of emphasis on the care/harm foundation and none at all on the concept of sanctity.

Anyway, you might want to give it a read if you have the time.


I'll read it, but I'm already aware that Haidt seems to believe that old ideas persisted because they were good. I personally believe that certain ideas persist because people tend to be small, tend to make easy choices instead of difficult ones, and tend to see their world through a lens of selfishness.
What if you love someone so much that if they were going to be happier without you that you would assist them in moving beyond you? What if you could do emotional self-harm to further the happiness of the one you love, if that was what was required? These are contemplations that most adults are incapable of but are not so difficult for someone who really cares about another person above themself. I have met several people who are capable of this kind of caring, but most people I've met are ignorant, self-serving savages who cannot have a thing if others may also have it, for somehow in their minds they lose ownership of anything that's still available. They think thoughts like "how can I get her to sleep with me" instead of "how can I be the person others want to sleep with?"

A friend once asked me how he could get his wife to swing. I told him that you can't. Life is not, should not be, about getting people to do anything. It happens or it doesn't happen, and we can't exert force to move situations or people closer to what we want, because that which we want shouldn't be a what, at all. My wife and I aren't swinging at the moment, primarily because we're into each other right now and simply aren't interested in expansion. But I don't see that as a question of morality. I won't lie to my wife, won't omit information she needs to make her informed decisions. She has the right to know the character of our relationship at all times and if that character changes, she should be the first to know.

People can write whatever apologetics they like for the exclusivity based relationship, but a thinking person ought to be able to discern what works for them without referring to 1st century savages who slavishly feed their various sensory inputs without stopping to consider what a relationship could be if they had the strength to risk their heart by not pressuring others to serve them. Sex is such a tiny part of an intimate partnership, and there's nothing a partnership can accomplish that a committee cannot. I will acknowledge that the average person is not capable of it.  But tradition? Slavery is traditional. Xenophobia is traditional. Women as chattel is traditional. Our ancestors were stupid, bumbling, simple brutes not much different from the rest of the great apes.
2013-02-13 01:58:01 PM
2 votes:
As a happily married man who is part of a poly quad (my girlfriend and her husband live with me and my wife), I'm really getting a kick out of these replies.

/yes, this stuff really does happen
//all under 30, good looking, and nobody is fat
2013-02-13 01:43:37 PM
2 votes:
Ok...my advice on the assumption it's actually a legit story.

I think perhaps the sisters' father fooled around...a lot and over a period of years.  Probably a lot more than mom knew, and the daughters became aware of it at some point.  He was likely a good guy, loved his daughters and treated them well.  The marriage was very rocky, lots of fights for obvious reasons.   "My current husband" implies that mom eventually divorced their dad too, perhaps because she finally caught him cheating, and she later remarried.  New husband is an ok guy, but probably spent too much time staring at the daughters while they were in the pool.

That explains the "current" husband's remarks (he's all but saying "I'd like to hit it too" though he probably wouldn't), the daughters' casual attitude toward sex, why the divorced daughter had problems staying faithful in her marriage, and why the daughter that is married seems oddly ok with her husband banging her sister (convinced herself it was ok, better he get it from someone she knows to be disease free, he's a good provider otherwise, etc., etc.).  As for the guy banging both sisters...he's no saint.  How he manages to justify what he's doing as ok is anyone's guess, but truth be told the married daughter picked one that was like dear old dad.

This will absolutely not end well.  I have serious doubts that divorced daughter will ever find a guy to settle down with and she'll be back time and again long term for some brother-in-law action.  Married daughter will get jealous once she has kids and I can foresee a time the two daughters aren't on speaking terms.  Life isn't a Robert Heinlein novel and Lazarus Long doesn't live here or in the future.  Time for divorced daughter to move on and get her own place...say three states over.
2013-02-13 01:17:14 PM
2 votes:

Jim_Callahan: Galloping Galoshes: Perhaps cgraves67 has a better handle on what drives people than you.  Romance is a modern concept.  Procreation and ensuring the success of offspring are instinctive.  I'd bet on the more ingrained behavior.

Human biology is entirely predicated on the assumption that both males and females of our species would have multiple partners.  Certain major elements of male biology are based on the assumption that females will have had another partner within hours or minutes of their current one.

Biology doesn't back monogamy at all, which is what I think you're implying if I'm interpreting the chain of quotes correctly.


What a load of manure and an excuse for bad behavior   As civilization expands, the needs and rules of the old ways diminish. Cavemen used to club women over the head and rape them.  Romans used slaves as sex toys or modes of vicious entertainment.  The concept of a biological need for procreation is based solely on the need to perpetuate the species and preservation of human kind.  So unless you're bare backing every ho-bag you roofy into getting horizontal, you're still denying the so called base desires of your innate "biology".  

Besides which, with overpopulation, increased diversity among races, etc, there is no need for a biological multi-partner sexual drive.  My assumption is that every time you have a "base instinct" to stone a man to death for being a douchenozzle does not cause you to do so, as society, ya know, frowns on it...

So take your stupid weak ass argument and go justify it somewhere else.  You want to be a slut, do so.  Don't pretend something deep in your genetic code is driving you to spread your man-seed to the interior of inexpensive truck stop condoms.
2013-02-13 12:53:12 PM
2 votes:
Someone should remind Abby that she died last month.
2013-02-13 12:49:25 PM
2 votes:

cgraves67: While I can believe that this can happen and does happen, such diversion from the norm indicates that the persons involved are themselves socially abnormal. They probably would leave a trail of questionable decisions and brutally stupid mistakes. The story reeks of broken marriages all over the place, which may be the source of the dysfunctionality, although I wouldn't settle on that without more history.

The mother indicates that the family is otherwise successful in life, so I'm skeptical of this letter.


The mother refers to her "current" husband, but makes no reference to this being other than her daughter's first marriage.

The kid's relationship is more stable than the mother's.

//Also, open marriages aren't all that uncommon.  I know several couples that roll that way and I live in goddamned Texas where even the cows vote Republican and attend church twice a week.  It's really not some unheard-of arrangement.
2013-02-13 12:38:53 PM
2 votes:
Open marriage is fine, actually pretty well within established western norms.  The tradition goes back basically forever, though in the early US and contemporary western Europe the second woman would be called a mistress the first wife not being particularly disturbed is not terribly unusual.

What  is  terrifying, unnatural, and against all just laws of god and man, is talking to your parents or step-parents about your sex life after you're married.  Their opportunities and ability to give you any kind of meaningful advice ended long, long ago when you were a teenager.

//Albeit, they could also be lying to her.  That actually sounds like the kind of silly running gag I'd play on a meddling relative if I could get a girlfriend to go along with it.
2013-02-13 12:37:53 PM
2 votes:
Fark headline: My husband says any man who would refuse this "set-up" would be nuts

Article text: My current husband says any man who would refuse this "set-up" would be nuts

No dad would be that cool about somebody schtupping both of his daughters.
2013-02-13 12:31:51 PM
2 votes:
Was there not a Dear Abby posted here a couple months ago with a somewhat similar set-up, but after the sister got pregnant the husband dumped the wife to marry the sister?
2013-02-13 12:30:26 PM
2 votes:

The Italian Farker: Why is it BS? My wife's sister moved in with us when their parents died. She was 17 at the time but on her 18th birthday my wife wanted me to have sex with her so she could enjoy it without getting pregnant. Went on for about 2 years until she met someone responsible. Both couples are still together after 20+ years


...wut?
2013-02-13 12:30:06 PM
2 votes:
Are these the sisters?

i.dailymail.co.uk
2013-02-13 12:28:43 PM
2 votes:
img208.imageshack.us

Finally got his million dollars.
2013-02-13 12:25:11 PM
2 votes:
Sounds like mom is jealous that she was cut out of the act.
2013-02-13 12:25:11 PM
2 votes:
Dear Penthouse,
I never thought it would happen to me...
2013-02-13 11:24:41 AM
2 votes:
I find it interesting that most think that anything different from a monogamous relationship must be a fabrication. It's almost as if they are shut-ins who never meet people with different perspectives on life and sexuality.

To each their own. Off to the bar for my midday drunk and butt dialing.
2013-02-13 10:12:24 AM
2 votes:

The Italian Farker: on her 18th birthday my wife wanted me to have sex with her so she could enjoy it without getting pregnant.


Your wife... *wanted* you to fcuck her 18-year-old sister?

That is...unusual.
2013-02-13 10:06:18 AM
2 votes:
Why is it BS? My wife's sister moved in with us when their parents died. She was 17 at the time but on her 18th birthday my wife wanted me to have sex with her so she could enjoy it without getting pregnant. Went on for about 2 years until she met someone responsible. Both couples are still together after 20+ years
2013-02-13 05:54:59 PM
1 votes:

elev8meL8r: BarkingUnicorn: Igor Jakovsky: A green vagina? Eeewww!

I know, right? Who'd ever want any of that?:

Regardless, its still pink in the middle

So, why not fark a watermelon and skip all the drama?

Too cold.


Not if it's still on the vine, out in the sun.
2013-02-13 05:04:10 PM
1 votes:
"Are you right to protest? You certainly are. That's what mothers are for -- to inject a dose of sanity when everyone around her is losing theirs. "

Worst advice I've ever seen from Abby.
2013-02-13 03:10:28 PM
1 votes:

Zasteva: exclusively male roles anymore, and women have nearly equal ability to take those roles in our society.


No matter what current society says, you're dealing with hundreds of thousands of years of instinct.  You can't do away with that in 100 years.  I stand by my statements.
2013-02-13 02:57:53 PM
1 votes:

Lucidz: Maybe I am jaded about open relationships and sex outside of a relationship. After being cheated on by the same whoresack twice, and seeing decent marriages crumble because of waning interest (really the only reason to get involved in poly-anything) I suppose I can only see the horrific ending that awaits most of those endeavors.


Sampling bias.

With the exception of TMI people, the only times you hear about sex outside other people's relationships is when the relationship fails.  If your friends are in an open relationship and happy about it, chances are they're not broadcasting it.
2013-02-13 02:32:21 PM
1 votes:

Gaseous Anomaly: StaleCoffee: "Biology" backs monogamy in a tribal setting a lot more rationally than it does promiscuity.

How so? If you're living as a group, as primitive humans did, what advantage does paternity certainty confer?


you mean besides stable human relationships?
we aren't jealous creatures because society dictates it.
pair bonding has been for millions of years the most efficient way to care for babies, and pair bonding dictates jealousy as humans that didn't jealousy guard the relationship were less likely to pass on their genes. less jealous women, had babies that were more likely to die. for men, they were more likely to become cuckold and care for other men's babies produced by their women.
if you are not jealous, you are a bit of a mutant.
not that their anything wrong with that.
2013-02-13 02:15:46 PM
1 votes:

The Muthaship: goochmeister42: all under 30, good looking, and nobody is fat

And that's why you don't know it's doomed.


HA!  It's not all roses and lube, but the first six months were pretty wild and fun filled.  Just with any committed relationship, you fall into the trap of becoming lazy or not communicating enough to make sure everyone's needs are met.

Relationships can be hard enough between two people, but when you double that again of course there are going to be some hiccups along the way.  It's been incredibly rewarding though - we're all happier than we've been before and care about eachother deeply.  Just have to concentrate on very open communication and make sure that your primary partner doesn't feel neglected.
2013-02-13 02:12:43 PM
1 votes:

cmraman: Galloping Galoshes: cmraman: //Yeah, I'm a slut. What about it?

Don't need your stories.  Put your wife on.

She's not Fark fantasy material. She's 50, and she's not a supermodel. Oh, and unlike the girls most Farkers date, she's real...

/But since you asked nicely...

[www.geekconsulting.net image 850x566]


Not bad. Who's the cute redhead holding her?
2013-02-13 02:12:24 PM
1 votes:

StaleCoffee: It doesn't even have to go that far since "Biology" backs monogamy in a tribal setting a lot more rationally than it does promiscuity. I'm sure some dimwit will bark some nonsense about genetic diversity. Yeah those 6 guys in the tribe are diverse, and when she constantly farks them all their sperm suit up and do battle over her egg, and in order for her to give birth that sperm has to fight a constant defensive battle against all comers.

Haha I said all comers.

Anyway, no, the biology thing is reserved for people who don't understand biology, society or just want to fark around on their SO's.


Your argument erroneously assumes there isn't an equal instinctive compulsion to make sure those other 6 guys in the tribe never get any sex at all.   Well, unless they're bottoming for another male. It also ignores the reality that women are more inclined to share a manthan men are inclined to share a woman.  Historically speaking polygamous societies always had polygyny (multi-woman) but almost NEVER had polyandry (multi-men).

Women on the other hand, trend monogamous, but there is an interesting hypothesis regarding the "bad boy" phenomenon.  Two things are generally accepted as fact: Women seek long-term relationships so with men so that those men will provide for their children.  Additionally, women sleep with bad boys, because he's got a motorcycle or plays guitar or is "suave" (that's code for "lies constantly").  They do it before they "settle down" with a "nice man" or they do it on the sly because they "have needs" and they do it a lot.  These two things seem at odds since the easy-lay tomcat won't be a provider, and the provider won't keep an unfaithful woman.

The hypothesis is this: Women seek to "cheat" either before or during a monogamous relationship because any children they have by the "tomcat" will be predisposed to tomcat around as well, (and in so doing carry her genes far and wide as well), and the provider is parasitized nest, a chump to be usedand to provide for someone else's genetic material.  Worse still?  Studies have shown when a woman is actively cheating, her sexual habits decrease the chances of conceiving with her regular partner and increase the chances of conceiving with the partner.

Now the MORAL equation is a different one entirely.  Men shouldn't be dogs, women shouldn't be biatches.  Men shouldn't except to fark on the first date (or expect such a woman to be faithful) and women shouldn't chase men who are raging dickbags because they're "confident".  People shouldn't be assholes, and no one should read Dear Abby.
2013-02-13 02:11:32 PM
1 votes:

ciberido: Secret Agent X23: Well, you know, two chicks at one time are the fantasy.

Living with it as an ongoing setup would be hell on earth, especially if they're sisters. Assuming, of course, that it's really happening, which it isn't.


I actually have two female friends who are sharing a boyfriend.   I don't understand it, but they've been doing it for years, and they both seem happy.

Haven't heard any complaints from the guy, either.

*shrugs* Whatever works.


I personallyy know tons of people in open relationships, married and otherwise, in fact, far more than I know in exclusive ones, but I have to say in not a single one of those multiple dozens of realtionships, no matter how kinky or otherwise non-conventional it may be (and I know a couple who both got sex changes at the same time because they wanted to "switch") I know of exactly zero where one of the particpants shared a sexual partner with a blood relative.  That's a taboo most people just will not go near, no matter how open-minded they think they are
2013-02-13 02:07:14 PM
1 votes:

cmraman: She's not Fark fantasy material. She's 50, and she's not a supermodel. Oh, and unlike the girls most Farkers date, she's real...


Whose shoulder is she sitting on?
2013-02-13 02:00:22 PM
1 votes:

StaleCoffee: "Biology" backs monogamy in a tribal setting a lot more rationally than it does promiscuity.


How so? If you're living as a group, as primitive humans did, what advantage does paternity certainty confer?
2013-02-13 01:59:30 PM
1 votes:
goochmeister42: all under 30, good looking, and nobody is fat

And that's why you don't know it's doomed.
2013-02-13 01:55:36 PM
1 votes:

noitsnot: Jim_Callahan: Human biology is entirely predicated on the assumption that both males and females of our species would have multiple partners.  Certain major elements of male biology are based on the assumption that females will have had another partner within hours or minutes of their current one.


You want to show some references on that?  For humans, not some monkey species you read about.


http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/OnCall/story?id=1469078

Open marriage here, been going 12 years strong and never happier.  Have to set the rules before the game starts, and everybody has to follow them.  Ours are simple.  No lying.  Partner has veto power, always.  Real life and fun life 100% separate - ie if you want to be friends with a buddy then the buddying stops, and you can't buddy up with a friend.  Related to the study above - both of my kids were conceived a couple of hours after (protected) fun outside the home.

As for this Dear Abby, total BS.  NO WAY anyone I know in this lifestyle would do family, at any time.  It's possible that a guy is doing both sisters and they know about it, but someone is getting shafted in the deal and doesn't really want it.
2013-02-13 01:45:05 PM
1 votes:

traylor: The Italian Farker: Why is it BS? My wife's sister moved in with us when their parents died. She was 17 at the time but on her 18th birthday my wife wanted me to have sex with her so she could enjoy it without getting pregnant. Went on for about 2 years until she met someone responsible. Both couples are still together after 20+ years

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Seconded.  I've known (in both senses) loads of swingers/"open marriage" folks in my time.  I check up on folks every couple of years, and every one of them is divorced within 5 years of being involved.

Every.
One.
Of.
Them.

/That's not to say there aren't very persuasive arguments for the benefits of non-monogamous relationships
//Very persuasive, but for the fact they don't work.
2013-02-13 01:41:23 PM
1 votes:

Trivia Jockey: Abby's response to this should have simply been "Stop lying".


Abby's response to this should have been: "Why are you asking me?  I'm dead and trying to get some shuteye here.  Please close the crypt door on the way out."
2013-02-13 01:38:28 PM
1 votes:

spiderpaz: m00: El Pachuco: Yeah, no.  While there are a near-infinite number of women in the world and in theory anything's possible, I've so far only seen women be both extremely protective of, and extremely competitive with, their female siblings.  This is about as likely as having a three-way with twin sisters, vs a three-way with two unrelated lady types.

Also, this (NSFW),

Actually my college room-mate was dating this girl, and cheating on her with her identical twin. I was like... "what's the point" but he swore there was a difference.

ROFL!!  omg, that's too damn funny.  The grass is always greener never applied to vagina so well.


Read Asimov (somewhere in the "Foundation" trilogy) about " . . .the difference between the slippery friction of two mucous membranes".

/No, not a pretty image, is it?
2013-02-13 01:36:57 PM
1 votes:

Zasteva: Also, what makes you think that procreation and success of offspring are challenged by this circumstance? Biologically speaking, doesn't it maximize both the male and female outcome for reproduction and success of offspring?


The females have to compete for the benefit/protection of the male, limiting the chance of success for their offspring.
2013-02-13 01:35:27 PM
1 votes:

PreMortem: To each their own. Off to the bar for my midday drunk and butt dialing.


The term "butt dialing" always has me envisioning a woman who's fetish involves having her butt "dialed" like a rotary phone...and then I realize how old she would have to be to know what a rotary phone is. Then I sadly put away the Kleenex box and the hand lotion and try to cheer myself up by yelling at the kids on my lawn.
2013-02-13 01:27:14 PM
1 votes:
After some extensive investigation, the true identity of the sisters has been revealed:

encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com
2013-02-13 01:12:56 PM
1 votes:
I have seen a few examples of open marriages / relationships and they all ended badly.

I had a friend in college who was dating a woman for a few years and she started to have an affair behind his back. He found out and after a brief fight, he agreed to let her bang this other guy while still dating him. Then one time all three were hanging out together and ended up in the threesome which created a lot of awkwardness and ended everything.

Another friend of mine got divorced, started a dating a woman who was also divorced and previously into the swinging scene. They ended up getting married and meeting other couples for sex fairly frequently. Usually it was the same two couples that they knew were safe and into the same things they were. After a while jealousy broke out between them all and they could no longer be friends and everything stopped.

The third experience was with another married couple who simply said they tried it for a short while, but the husband always felt like he was getting the bad deal in the exchange (fat, ugly wives of other people in exchange for his wife).

Anyway, as out-of-the-norm as it is, I don't think it is abnormal. I just don't think it works in a lot of cases and things get messy.
2013-02-13 01:09:51 PM
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reillan: When I was 22, I met a girl who was 20, and her sister was 18.  I started dating the 20-year-old shortly thereafter, but we waited a while before we started sleeping together, so that that wouldn't be the driving factor in the relationship.  We made it maybe 3 months.  Anyway, both lived with their mom at the time, and as a result I'd constantly see the 18-year-old around the apartment.  Both of the girls fought constantly, and I tried to stay out of it... and they'd always run to their mom (or call their dad) for support.  But it wasn't long before they started prying me for my input.  Of course, when my g/f decided to rub her sex life in her sister's face, the sister decided she was going to start competing for me, too.  I would walk into the apartment and find her sitting in just a t-shirt, making no move to cover herself up, or catch her coming out of the bathroom and dropping her towel, that sort of thing.  One day, I went over, and naturally she was the only one home... and... well... I am only a man...

of course, the 18-year-old bragged about it, and the 20-year-old broke up with me.  So... I started seeing the younger sister.  Soon, the older one started vying for me again, and it became a contest to see who was banging me on a given night.  It got to the point where they started broadcasting their sexual escapades with me to each other, and they could only get off when they knew the other knew.

Then the 18-year-old decided to do it in front of her sister... and... soon after the two of them were making out... and I was on the outside just watching.  Intently, of course.

Today, they live a life of complete incest - they're lesbians together, without outside people.  It's creepy.  But don't feel bad for me, because their cousin the beautiful swimsuit-model-turned-rockstar found out about it and decided I must be pretty good in bed... And lemme tell ya, even female rock stars have amazing girl groupies...


You left out that you're a billionaire with a 12 inch dick and that you now view supermodel rockstars as beneath you. You won't bed anyone in a one night stand who isn't on Forbes.  Your corrections to ancient texts caused the pope to retire and you achieve Bodhisattva daily while in the back of your stretch limousine just to pass the time.

You are rad.  You. Are. Rad.

www.achewood.com
2013-02-13 01:07:48 PM
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swankywanky: Publikwerks: Now imagine their fat.


No thanks, I would much rather imagine their tits.
2013-02-13 01:06:21 PM
1 votes:

The Italian Farker: Why is it BS? My wife's sister moved in with us when their parents died. She was 17 at the time but on her 18th birthday my wife wanted me to have sex with her so she could enjoy it without getting pregnant. Went on for about 2 years until she met someone responsible. Both couples are still together after 20+ years


Yea, this totally happened to me too...

My wife, er, Morgan Fairchild, demanded that I deflower her younger sister, er...Heidi Klum, yea, that's what happened.

I protested greatly, but then my wife...Morgan Fairchild invoked the whole "in sickness, in health, in sister relations" clause in our marriage clause...what choice did I have?

Yea, that's the ticket.  And it's true too...or my name isn't Tommy Flanagan.
2013-02-13 01:04:33 PM
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Galloping Galoshes: Perhaps cgraves67 has a better handle on what drives people than you.  Romance is a modern concept.  Procreation and ensuring the success of offspring are instinctive.  I'd bet on the more ingrained behavior.


Human biology is entirely predicated on the assumption that both males and females of our species would have multiple partners.  Certain major elements of male biology are based on the assumption that females will have had another partner within hours or minutes of their current one.

Biology doesn't back monogamy at all, which is what I think you're implying if I'm interpreting the chain of quotes correctly.
2013-02-13 01:03:27 PM
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noitsnot: We know you aren't telling the truth because on your profile you have a picture of a Mustang, yet you claim youa re Italian. As we all know, you would have a Trans Am if this were really the case..


we also would have accepted:

*members only jacket
*wifebeater as formal wear
*orange skin
*duck face
*shiatty gold figaro chains
*living with Mama
2013-02-13 01:02:46 PM
1 votes:
Heart-Broken, Heart-Broken
You have no complaint
they are what they are
and they ain't what they ain't
so listen up buster, and listen up good
stop wishing for bad luck and climb on that wood
2013-02-13 01:01:42 PM
1 votes:
When I was 22, I met a girl who was 20, and her sister was 18.  I started dating the 20-year-old shortly thereafter, but we waited a while before we started sleeping together, so that that wouldn't be the driving factor in the relationship.  We made it maybe 3 months.  Anyway, both lived with their mom at the time, and as a result I'd constantly see the 18-year-old around the apartment.  Both of the girls fought constantly, and I tried to stay out of it... and they'd always run to their mom (or call their dad) for support.  But it wasn't long before they started prying me for my input.  Of course, when my g/f decided to rub her sex life in her sister's face, the sister decided she was going to start competing for me, too.  I would walk into the apartment and find her sitting in just a t-shirt, making no move to cover herself up, or catch her coming out of the bathroom and dropping her towel, that sort of thing.  One day, I went over, and naturally she was the only one home... and... well... I am only a man...

of course, the 18-year-old bragged about it, and the 20-year-old broke up with me.  So... I started seeing the younger sister.  Soon, the older one started vying for me again, and it became a contest to see who was banging me on a given night.  It got to the point where they started broadcasting their sexual escapades with me to each other, and they could only get off when they knew the other knew.

Then the 18-year-old decided to do it in front of her sister... and... soon after the two of them were making out... and I was on the outside just watching.  Intently, of course.

Today, they live a life of complete incest - they're lesbians together, without outside people.  It's creepy.  But don't feel bad for me, because their cousin the beautiful swimsuit-model-turned-rockstar found out about it and decided I must be pretty good in bed... And lemme tell ya, even female rock stars have amazing girl groupies...
2013-02-13 01:01:03 PM
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Unemployedingreenland: Unemployedingreenland: Well, when I was newly married for the first time, my then wife's younger twin sisters moved in for a short stay.  They were 18 years old, and both were bikini model former gymnasts with a peculiar form of OCD that made them want to keep our house spotless.  They were also gourmet cooks, and they practically couldn't live without (ahem) something in their mouths at all times, which kept them blissfully quiet.  They were extremely competitive about everything too, so it was always "BJ contest this, and BJ contest that" around the house.  Best part was the wifey insisted I deflower both of them.  Boy those were the days.

And did I mention one twin was a dark-eyed brunette, the other was a blue-eyed blonde, and the third was a green-eyed redhead?


Gourmet cooks at 18?  Impressive.  Also, sounds like you lived with some skanks.
2013-02-13 12:56:51 PM
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The Italian Farker: Why is it BS? My wife's sister moved in with us when their parents died. She was 17 at the time but on her 18th birthday my wife wanted me to have sex with her so she could enjoy it without getting pregnant. Went on for about 2 years until she met someone responsible. Both couples are still together after 20+ years


We know you aren't telling the truth because on your profile you have a picture of a Mustang, yet you claim youa re Italian.  As we all know, you would have a Trans Am if this were really the case..
2013-02-13 12:54:53 PM
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cgraves67: While I can believe that this can happen and does happen, such diversion from the norm indicates that the persons involved are themselves socially abnormal. They probably would leave a trail of questionable decisions and brutally stupid mistakes. The story reeks of broken marriages all over the place, which may be the source of the dysfunctionality, although I wouldn't settle on that without more history.

Perhaps there are simply more people than you know who don't feel that possession is a necessary or positive part of a romantic relationship.
2013-02-13 12:53:05 PM
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jfarkinB: TheDumbBlonde: jfarkinB: As opposed to a brother being forced to marry and impregnate his dead brother's widow, which of course is God's Will as set out in The Bible.

I bet you're a blast at parties.

If I'm ever invited to one, we'll see.


Not forced.  She can refuse him.  Sorry, your knowledge is less than perfect.
2013-02-13 12:52:04 PM
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Bell's Boy: I had sex with two sisters at the same time once, but our Mom walked in on us. Awkward!


Bed not big enough for four?
2013-02-13 12:50:12 PM
1 votes:
Dear mom,

STFU.

- Your son-in-law twice over
2013-02-13 12:48:54 PM
1 votes:

HMS_Blinkin: Dear Penthouse Forum,

I never thought this would happen to me, but......

Also, did anyone else notice the mom describing her SIL as "attractive and successful?"



Ah, Mom tips her hand and reveals her true issue with this arrangement...
2013-02-13 12:47:36 PM
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Jim_Callahan: Open marriage is fine, actually pretty well within established western norms.  The tradition goes back basically forever, though in the early US and contemporary western Europe the second woman would be called a mistress the first wife not being particularly disturbed is not terribly unusual.

Except that's not an open marriage.  That's a time when women were also without a great deal of their current civil rights and were handed from father/brother to husband.  (Couldn't vote, couldn't hold serious outside employment, couldn't run their own finances, etc.)  Want the litmus test?  Switch the roles and have the wife stepping out on her husband and setting up a her lover in a townhouse a few blocks over and see if everyone is still cool with it.
2013-02-13 12:47:33 PM
1 votes:
Well, when I was newly married for the first time, my then wife's younger twin sisters moved in for a short stay.  They were 18 years old, and both were bikini model former gymnasts with a peculiar form of OCD that made them want to keep our house spotless.  They were also gourmet cooks, and they practically couldn't live without (ahem) something in their mouths at all times, which kept them blissfully quiet.  They were extremely competitive about everything too, so it was always "BJ contest this, and BJ contest that" around the house.  Best part was the wifey insisted I deflower both of them.  Boy those were the days.
2013-02-13 12:46:50 PM
1 votes:
I had sex with two sisters at the same time once, but our Mom walked in on us. Awkward!
m00
2013-02-13 12:40:56 PM
1 votes:

The Italian Farker: Why is it BS? My wife's sister moved in with us when their parents died. She was 17 at the time but on her 18th birthday my wife wanted me to have sex with her so she could enjoy it without getting pregnant. Went on for about 2 years until she met someone responsible. Both couples are still together after 20+ years


Dear Penthouse...
2013-02-13 12:40:06 PM
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miss diminutive: So, assuming both women get pregnant their children would be both siblings and cousins.

The father would also be both an uncle and a father to both.

Truly a foundation for a solid, well adjusted family.


As opposed to a brother being forced to marry and impregnate his dead brother's widow, which of course is God's Will as set out in The Bible.
2013-02-13 12:39:35 PM
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While I can believe that this can happen and does happen, such diversion from the norm indicates that the persons involved are themselves socially abnormal. They probably would leave a trail of questionable decisions and brutally stupid mistakes. The story reeks of broken marriages all over the place, which may be the source of the dysfunctionality, although I wouldn't settle on that without more history.

The mother indicates that the family is otherwise successful in life, so I'm skeptical of this letter.
2013-02-13 12:38:18 PM
1 votes:
I say anyone dumbF**k enough to do sh*t like this deserves the inevitable implosion that comes from it, and I hope the double homicide/suicide makes fark in the future with a link back to this thread.
2013-02-13 12:37:49 PM
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corronchilejano: When I was 22 I had sex with a 16yo neighbor and her hot cousin. It wasn't very good.

/legal age is 14 here
/fark you


In Florida it would have been legal until you turned 23, then you would have to wait until the 16 year old turned 18.
2013-02-13 12:37:36 PM
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Pocket Ninja: I'll bet lots of internet dollars that not a single person in this story looks like we want them to look. Assuming, of course, that it's not total bullshiat, which it is.


A pair of daughters, in an open relationship, sharing one man. Spending most nights with one woman, while occasionally spending a night out with her sister. Maybe even leaving work early some days to sneak one in. Maybe he brings up the possibility of a threesome. Imagine, all three of them in bed, sweating, rubbing in a pleasurefest....

aka-img-2.h-img.com

Now imagine their fat.
2013-02-13 12:36:18 PM
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I have a friend (a real friend, not a Canadian one!) that has an open relationship with her boyfriend...  who has also slept with her identical twin sister, at least one time while my friend was in the same room.

/I had a crush on one of the twins when I was in high school
//I always felt like I missed out by not asking her out.
///Then I found out (15 years afterwards) that she had a kid, and decided that I dodged a bullet.  My teen self would've felt the need to provide for the kid.
2013-02-13 12:35:33 PM
1 votes:
Wait a minute! People tell lies on the internet?
I'm despondent.
2013-02-13 12:28:29 PM
1 votes:
For those in the "this can't be real camp": I keep an extensive family genealogy.  One of my aunts, way back in the 1930s, married brother A and then proceeded to have all of her kids with brother B.  Of course it never sat well with the Brother family -- group photos always have her excluded.  For me, there's only the problem of "what do you tell the grandchildren and great grandchildren"?
2013-02-13 12:28:26 PM
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The Italian Farker: Why is it BS? My wife's sister moved in with us when their parents died. She was 17 at the time but on her 18th birthday my wife wanted me to have sex with her so she could enjoy it without getting pregnant. Went on for about 2 years until she met someone responsible. Both couples are still together after 20+ years



i.chzbgr.com
2013-02-13 12:25:32 PM
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Secret Agent X23: Well, you know, two chicks at one time are the fantasy.

Living with it as an ongoing setup would be hell on earth, especially if they're sisters. Assuming, of course, that it's really happening, which it isn't.



I actually have two female friends who are sharing a boyfriend.   I don't understand it, but they've been doing it for years, and they both seem happy.

Haven't heard any complaints from the guy, either.

*shrugs* Whatever works.
2013-02-13 12:24:56 PM
1 votes:
I would bet serious money that in real life this only happens in trailer parks.
2013-02-13 12:16:25 PM
1 votes:
I want a shirtless picture of "Sam" before I'll believe this.

Also, lol, you're not supposed to let mom find out.
2013-02-13 11:31:55 AM
1 votes:
So, assuming both women get pregnant their children would be both siblings and cousins.

The father would also be both an uncle and a father to both.

Truly a foundation for a solid, well adjusted family.
2013-02-13 11:21:12 AM
1 votes:
Are they Mormon?
2013-02-13 10:09:34 AM
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PreMortem: And why would it not be happening? I've come across some wild/open relationships.


Actually, it could happen, and maybe it's happening here, but "Melanie's argument is that Sam is less likely to cheat given this situation" doesn't quite ring true. If she doesn't want him to cheat... then... wut???
2013-02-13 09:56:52 AM
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Secret Agent X23: Well, you know, two chicks at one time are the fantasy.

Living with it as an ongoing setup would be hell on earth, especially if they're sisters. Assuming, of course, that it's really happening, which it isn't.


You need a /DNRTFA.

And why would it not be happening? I've come across some wild/open relationships.

My last gf wanted me and her ex at the same time. That's what is known as "not happening". And helluva lot less likely than one sister letting the other have sex with her husband.
 
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