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(The New York Times)   Republicans were seeking an image reboot, a new face that would be both more positive and less strident, youthful and multicultural but also quietly constructive and respectful. Then there was Ted Nugent   (nytimes.com) divider line 199
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2013-02-13 09:11:01 AM  
It's not a reboot. It's a reimagining.  Because everyone knows the new Star Trek movies are far superior to the old Star Trek movies.
 
2013-02-13 09:21:13 AM  
"He'll continue this demagoguery," Senator Ron Johnson, Republican of Wisconsin, said of the president after the speech. "He'll still waste everybody's time on gun control - it's not going to pass - and distract Americans from what we really need to do."

Translation: The GOP led Congress will take no significant action on improving gun regulations despite the public sentiment on this issue and will then try to pretend that it's Obama and the Dems who are really wasting everyone's time.

What America needs to do is vote out the teahadists and all the rest of the radical, obstructionist, do-nothing GOPhers in DC.

But in a House chamber filled conspicuously with the victims of gun violence and family members still grieving for lost loved ones, Mr. Nugent seemed like a provocation, a saber-toothed tiger invited to a garden party.

Nugent didn't just seem like a provocation he was one.

He's also not a "saber-toothed tiger" he's a paper tiger and a cowardly traitorous pedophile who's sold his soul to the NRA for one last shot at attention and relevance.
 
2013-02-13 09:35:31 AM  
The Republicans sent out another mixed message earlier in the day when Representative Cathy McMorris Rodgers of Washington, the House Republican Conference chairwoman, launched the party's first official Spanish-language Twitter account, @GOPespanol. But last week, when House Republicans tried to begin a broader "G.O.P. en Español" program, which was to distribute Republican reactions to the State of the Union in Spanish, the most vociferous anti-illegal immigration voices in the House objected.

They truly, fundamentally just don't get it, do they?
 
2013-02-13 09:37:28 AM  
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WWAAAAAAAAAHHH!!!1!!


He makes the perfect poster boy for the modern "conservative."  Whiny, petulant, narrow-minded, self-centered asshat attention-whore
 
2013-02-13 09:41:39 AM  
Oh GOP. I've tried to defend you, I've tried to reason with you, I've tried to knock some goddamn sense into you but this...this is just sad. Ted Nugant? Really? Do you not have enough pants-shiattingly stupid dumbasses in the Tea Party caucus that you had to import some?

Goddamn, you guys just don't get it, do you? You want to win, you want to beat this Obama guy and his democratic cohorts? Then stand for something that represents this country's ideals, not this Ayn Randian hell hole you want to turn it into. Defend the rights of everyone whether you agree with their lifestyle or not. Defend women and minorities from sex and race based violence. Endorse an improved infrastructure and energy alternatives. Do all that and we'll vote for you. Do all that and continue on your traditional arguments of "smaller, better government"

There are some things that shouldn't be necessary to argue over: Health, safety and the basic rights of everyone, EVERYONE, that resides in this country. Until you realize this, and understand this, and work towards fixing these things for the better, only then will you actually win back some people in this country. But the more you act like douchenozzels, the more you act like rich cry-babies, the more you look at some non-white, non-male, non-christian and immediately think "hmm, they don't deserve the same rights I have" then you will FOREVER be relegated to the dustbin of history as the dumbasses you are
 
2013-02-13 09:51:48 AM  
On one hand it is good that common folk, that anyone can enter congress and watch the SOTU in person. It speaks to our liberties, equal representation, freedom of speech.

Then there is the asshole that invited Ted farking Nugent. A month after 20 children and 6 adults were massacred.
 
2013-02-13 09:51:57 AM  
We kid alot about liberals throwing their nuts under the bus and conservatives making them the driver.

The humor is gone now, and the reality remains.  There's not one ubernut too crazy for the GOP to make a spokesperson.
 
2013-02-13 09:57:49 AM  

Diogenes: We kid alot about liberals throwing their nuts under the bus and conservatives making them the driver.

The humor is gone now, and the reality remains.  There's not one ubernut too crazy for the GOP to make a spokesperson.



I think the Nuge will develop a sense of how crazy he is before the GOP does and eventually go back to his high-fenced "hunting" ranch to spend the rest of his days in quiet solitude.
 
2013-02-13 09:59:03 AM  

WTF Indeed: It's not a reboot. It's a reimagining.  Because everyone knows the new Star Trek movies are far superior to the old Star Trek movies.


So you decided to troll for scifi nerds in a politics thread, eh?  Interesting pitch.  Let's see how much cross-over there is.
 
2013-02-13 10:03:22 AM  
You can't court the Crazy Train, and regain folks like myself who left the party when you went off the rails with crippling economic and foreign policy. You can't regain moderate "undecided" voters by backing every hare brained scheme that the Idiot Brigade thinks smells like "FREEEEEEEEDOM!" You cannot say that you want to be respectful and thoughtful, when you bring a draft dodger WHO CRAPPED HIS PANTS TO AVOID THE DRAFT AND WHO NOW LOOOOOOVES HIS GUNS as a supporter of your agenda. You can certainly want the reboot, but maybe you should stop bringing in the guys who got you into this mess in the first place, and STOP GIVING THEM THE MIC TO SPEW CRAZY ALL OVER THE PLACE.

If the RNC would simply return to Conservative positions, instead of demanding that pet writers and commentators rebrand radicalism as "Conservatism" that might be a start. Sane economic policy that keeps cash from fleeing local economies, and perhaps stop seeking to meddle in foreign affairs for the benefit of businesses that no longer keep their money here even are a few more. Be good Conservatives again, and you'll see folks like myself return to the party, but the last several years have been hard, because the party has lost its way, and has been courting only the craziest, least economically viable, and outright virulent of insanity, and no amount of "rebranding" is going to change that. Only by ejecting the Crazy Train, and returning to economically viable and sane policies that aren't the result of a petulant, "If'n he'ssa fer it, I'm ag'in it!" is the only real course. And maybe realize that folks like Lindsey Graham are only killing the party for women, younger voters--and by "younger", I mean under 40, not 20. Folks my age? We don't care about what faith someone holds, we care what they do with it. You might want to remember that, because we also remember a few other things as well. Focusing only on the myopic and short sighted as your campaign strategy is nice, for the short term. It is also alienating you from a fair sized segment of the populace, and no amount of redistricting is going to change that.
 
2013-02-13 10:05:19 AM  

UberDave: Diogenes: We kid alot about liberals throwing their nuts under the bus and conservatives making them the driver.

The humor is gone now, and the reality remains.  There's not one ubernut too crazy for the GOP to make a spokesperson.


I think the Nuge will develop a sense of how crazy he is before the GOP does and eventually go back to his high-fenced "hunting" ranch to spend the rest of his days in quiet solitude.


We can only hope.
 
2013-02-13 10:08:20 AM  
So how often was Nugent's draft-dodging pants-shiatting or his comments about cowards in the military mentioned?  Every time they showed his face on camera, right?

Right?
 
2013-02-13 10:13:52 AM  
Hey! He wore sleeves!!

How much you want from the guy?
 
2013-02-13 10:15:35 AM  

UberDave: Diogenes: We kid alot about liberals throwing their nuts under the bus and conservatives making them the driver.

The humor is gone now, and the reality remains.  There's not one ubernut too crazy for the GOP to make a spokesperson.


I think the Nuge will develop a sense of how crazy he is before the GOP does and eventually go back to his high-fenced "hunting" ranch to spend the rest of his days in quiet solitude.


It shiat-caked pants and with underage girls.  Like God intended.
 
2013-02-13 10:15:38 AM  

gilgigamesh: So you decided to troll for scifi nerds in a politics thread, eh?  Interesting pitch.  Let's see how much cross-over there is.


Or I used Star Trek as an example of how reboots are rarely successful because you're still cooking with the same shiatty ingredients.  Do try to keep up.
 
2013-02-13 10:15:38 AM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Hey! He wore sleeves!!

How much you want from the guy?


A tie would have been nice.  I'd even accept one of the bolo dealies.
 
2013-02-13 10:22:23 AM  

Diogenes: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Hey! He wore sleeves!!

How much you want from the guy?

A tie would have been nice.  I'd even accept one of the bolo dealies.


I would have settled for "acting like a grown-up."
 
2013-02-13 10:23:41 AM  

Lionel Mandrake: Diogenes: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Hey! He wore sleeves!!

How much you want from the guy?

A tie would have been nice.  I'd even accept one of the bolo dealies.

I would have settled for "acting like a grown-up."


Well that would certainly thin that audience.
 
2013-02-13 10:23:48 AM  

WTF Indeed: gilgigamesh: So you decided to troll for scifi nerds in a politics thread, eh?  Interesting pitch.  Let's see how much cross-over there is.

Or I used Star Trek as an example of how reboots are rarely successful because you're still cooking with the same shiatty ingredients.  Do try to keep up.


And you picked a particularly poor example given how much money that movie made, and it's fairly wide acceptance among many ST fans as a good movie.

You argued that reboots fail and then as proof you cited a successful reboot.
 
2013-02-13 10:25:03 AM  

hubiestubert: Be good Conservatives again, and you'll see folks like myself return to the party, but the last several years have been hard, because the party has lost its way, and has been courting only the craziest, least economically viable, and outright virulent of insanity, and no amount of "rebranding" is going to change that.


What in your opinion would be a good conservative, and what specific policies?
 
2013-02-13 10:25:36 AM  
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The young woman to his right looks happy to be there. Is Guy Fieri with a bowtie to his left sleeping or texting?
 
2013-02-13 10:34:12 AM  
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2013-02-13 10:37:23 AM  
Party Of Sociopaths. the POS.
 
2013-02-13 10:39:17 AM  
I thought for sure he'd be dead or in prison by now.
 
2013-02-13 10:39:58 AM  

KarmicDisaster: Party Of Sociopaths. the POS.


Southern Teabaggers: The Original Sociopaths

/^_^
//that's how you troll Trekkies with politics, WTF Indeed
 
2013-02-13 10:41:18 AM  

GAT_00: And you picked a particularly poor example given how much money that movie made, and it's fairly wide acceptance among many ST fans as a good movie.

You argued that reboots fail and then as proof you cited a successful reboot.


It's almost like selling tickets to a summer movie and getting people to agree with your political stances are slightly different. Trekkies love the old Star Trek, but it had become stale and unpopular outside of certain areas.  So they rebooted it. Some Trekkies liked it, some Trekkies hated it, most non-Trekkie people who watched it didn't hate it. Now how many of those non-Trekkies are going to become Trekkies?  Have they grown the Star Trek brand or have they added new faces to an old brand to suck every last ounce of money out of it?

Now lets look at the GOP. Teabaggers love it, but it has become stale and unpopular outside of certain areas. So they want to reboot it. Some teabaggers will like it, others will hate it, most non-teabaggers will not hate it(because there's this thing a "moderate" which both extremes seem to forget about.) So the question arises is how may non-teabaggers will become teabaggers because of the reboot?  Would they grow the brand, or just add new faces to an old brand to suck every last vote out of it?
 
2013-02-13 10:47:47 AM  

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: hubiestubert: Be good Conservatives again, and you'll see folks like myself return to the party, but the last several years have been hard, because the party has lost its way, and has been courting only the craziest, least economically viable, and outright virulent of insanity, and no amount of "rebranding" is going to change that.

What in your opinion would be a good conservative, and what specific policies?


Starting off?

Investment in localized growth. Small businesses generate jobs, which takes off pressure on states, and increase tax base. They also increase competition to force more efficient business practices, as well as drive distribution, which increases trade back and forth.

Foreign policy that is based on long term projections for stability, as opposed to simple black and white ideology. Looking to increase said stability, as opposed to backing the strongman of the hour, and abandoning them hasn't exactly worked out so well. That includes sane monetary policy, as well.

Regulation isn't the enemy. Efficient regulation and efficient taxation is the goal, not simply demonizing any attempt to regulate or tax. Tax incentives have to be exactly that: an incentive, not blanket breaks without any carrot for encouraging behaviors. Giving breaks to folks who ship jobs, and cash out of our local economies doesn't work to encourage job growth, only to increase the power of larger banking institutions, that have then no incentive to do much for anyone, but their shareholders, who profit fair well when you take said cash out of the system.

Delivering on the promises of the Constitution is another. Getting involved in local disputes on matters of religion is a losing premise, when you understand that the separation of church and state exists for a reason. Seeking to deny rights to citizens because a few cannot seem to understand that the Constitution is there to protect all citizens, not just the ones you like is a losing premise, and is a radicalized notion. Matters like marriage equality, religious freedom, and issues of privacy are losing propositions.

Looking towards investment is a key. Education, infrastructure, regulation of industries to encourage growth are key. Not protectionism of industries that are giving to campaigns right now to discourage competition. We need competition in our markets to keep industries efficient and innovative. We need an educated electorate. We need to address issues in our infrastructure. We need localized investment. That includes investment in not just monetary terms, but investment in securing the rights of individuals, and fighting for equality for all our citizens. Investment in education, public health, and securing economic security for our citizens is the best way for us to fight crime. Looking to only serve the interests of those who have wealth, while ignoring growth for the bulk of our citizens is not a wise investment of our time and energy. It is a handy way of keeping stress on the populace, and that strife translates very much into folks looking for ANY way to increase their lot, and if that means robbing their neighbors, some folks are willing to do exactly that. Folks who are secure don't turn to crime as often.

Efficient spending and efficient taxation aren't just matters of fiscal responsibility, but have direct relation to how our government impacts main street. The War on Drugs drains state and Federal coffers. It taxes our legal system, and the states budgets to keep folks imprisoned. Investing in programs based on outreach to those who addicted, giving them solid alternatives as opposed to simply waving the stick of prison doesn't work so well, when folks are already facing a chasm of despair and lack of opportunity. We cannot jail our way out of the hole we've dug with this asinine policy, because simply put: we cannot afford it.
 
2013-02-13 10:50:48 AM  

WTF Indeed: GAT_00: And you picked a particularly poor example given how much money that movie made, and it's fairly wide acceptance among many ST fans as a good movie.

You argued that reboots fail and then as proof you cited a successful reboot.

It's almost like selling tickets to a summer movie and getting people to agree with your political stances are slightly different. Trekkies love the old Star Trek, but it had become stale and unpopular outside of certain areas.  So they rebooted it. Some Trekkies liked it, some Trekkies hated it, most non-Trekkie people who watched it didn't hate it. Now how many of those non-Trekkies are going to become Trekkies?  Have they grown the Star Trek brand or have they added new faces to an old brand to suck every last ounce of money out of it?

Now lets look at the GOP. Teabaggers love it, but it has become stale and unpopular outside of certain areas. So they want to reboot it. Some teabaggers will like it, others will hate it, most non-teabaggers will not hate it(because there's this thing a "moderate" which both extremes seem to forget about.) So the question arises is how may non-teabaggers will become teabaggers because of the reboot?  Would they grow the brand, or just add new faces to an old brand to suck every last vote out of it?


All right, you've put more thought into this than I thought at first.

Where your argument falls apart I think is that people who don't enjoy older Trek just simply aren't Trekkies, they're just fans of one particular movie.  What's more, there's nothing particularly negative about going back once you're exposed to watching the old material.  Yeah the original ST is harder to go back to given just how horrendously out of date it looks and the godawful acting in many places, but there are also periods of spectacular writing mixed in.  So it's still accessible for a new generation to enjoy.

The old Tea Party is rightly irrevocably mixed in with racism.  That is the a consistent core across all of their various messages, though not always present and generally hidden more or less well through classic dog whistle phrases.  There is a definite negative association with the Tea Party that cannot be wiped clean.  So you can try to reboot the group, but those core older messages still exist.

You cannot erase that with a simple image makeover when the same people are still there.
 
2013-02-13 10:51:05 AM  

WTF Indeed: It's almost like selling tickets to a summer movie and getting people to agree with your political stances are slightly different. Trekkies love the old Star Trek, but it had become stale and unpopular outside of certain areas.  So they rebooted it. Some Trekkies liked it, some Trekkies hated it, most non-Trekkie people who watched it didn't hate it. Now how many of those non-Trekkies are going to become Trekkies?  Have they grown the Star Trek brand or have they added new faces to an old brand to suck every last ounce of money out of it?


What?  Of course it will create new Trekkies.  The new Star Trek movie is probably the most anticipated movie this year.  Most of the people will see it - at least a lot of them - weren't even alive when the original cast movies -- let alone the original TV shows -- were extant.  Millions of new people will develop an interest in the series, and start looking at and become fans of the classic stuff.

That's not the worst analogy you could have made, but I will say it was the worst analogy you could have made.
 
2013-02-13 10:57:03 AM  

GAT_00: Yeah the original ST is harder to go back to given just how horrendously out of date it looks and the godawful acting in many places, but there are also periods of spectacular writing mixed in.  So it's still accessible for a new generation to enjoy.


Wrath of Khan really holds up.  Its as brilliant now as 30 years ago.

I think a lot of the episodes with more compelling story lines from TOS hold up too, despite the low rent 60s era special effects.
 
2013-02-13 10:57:20 AM  
hubiestubert


You have my vote.
 
2013-02-13 11:01:29 AM  

somedude210: Oh GOP...


Well said, and if I could add one thing: "Don't be petulant whiners if and when you lose. Maybe take a step back, consider where you went wrong. Instead of - and I can't believe how insulting it is that you went here instead - complaining that you lost because too many of the wrong sort of people voted. It's hard to think of a more undemocratic statement than that. Even the whole Rapefest2012 wasn't quite as staggeringly awful as blaming women and minorities for voting in the first place.
 
2013-02-13 11:08:38 AM  
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2013-02-13 11:10:34 AM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: [img546.imageshack.us image 600x400]


"teenage daughter"

LOL.  Yep.  Nailed it.
 
2013-02-13 11:12:20 AM  
Pants shiatting draft dodging coward who is too much of a wuss to hunt outside of a fenced-in enclosure.

As a guitarist, he's mediocre at best.
 
2013-02-13 11:12:42 AM  

Diogenes: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Hey! He wore sleeves!!

How much you want from the guy?

A tie would have been nice.  I'd even accept one of the bolo dealies.


But notice, he's wearing his nice jeans. It's his version of a tux.
 
2013-02-13 11:14:41 AM  

Jake Havechek: Pants shiatting draft dodging coward who is too much of a wuss to hunt outside of a fenced-in enclosure.

As a guitarist, he's mediocre at best.


Certainly overrated.

I mean, he's a pretty good guitarist, but so are a few thousand 16 year olds in their parents' garage.  Pretty good guitarists are a dime a dozen.
 
2013-02-13 11:15:00 AM  
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I'm thinking Ted may not have smelled so good.
 
2013-02-13 11:17:32 AM  

gilgigamesh: Jake Havechek: Pants shiatting draft dodging coward who is too much of a wuss to hunt outside of a fenced-in enclosure.

As a guitarist, he's mediocre at best.

Certainly overrated.

I mean, he's a pretty good guitarist, but so are a few thousand 16 year olds in their parents' garage.  Pretty good guitarists are a dime a dozen.


Johnny Ramone with his hammering bar chords played with twice as much more feeling than Nugent ever did.
 
2013-02-13 11:19:02 AM  
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2013-02-13 11:19:13 AM  
"House Speaker John A. Boehner, the speaker grabbed attention when he told reporters that he would like "a little foreplay first" from the president before embracing a path to citizenship for undocumented workers in an immigration bill."

Sorry, we're going in dry.
 
2013-02-13 11:19:21 AM  
"I will point out that right now this committee knows absolutely nothing about the personal compensation Chuck Hagel received in 2008 and 2009 or 2010," Mr. Cruz said

He's just like Mitt Romney, then.
 
2013-02-13 11:19:37 AM  
Marco Rubio is going to appeal to all of the Mexicans out there really good. We've got a Mexican now.  Who's inclusive now, libs?
 
2013-02-13 11:19:43 AM  

GAT_00: Yeah the original ST is harder to go back to given just how horrendously out of date it looks


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Given Ted Nugent and Steve King's political views, I would have thought ST:TOS to be more relevant than ever.

/godwinned?
//I keed, sorta
 
2013-02-13 11:21:31 AM  
They look thirsty.  Don't you think they look thirsty?
 
2013-02-13 11:22:45 AM  

Rattlehead: Sorry, we're going in dry.


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2013-02-13 11:23:01 AM  

WTF Indeed: It's not a reboot. It's a reimagining.  Because everyone knows the new Star Trek movies are far superior to the old Star Trek movies.


Gotta give the original cast credit for not whining like a little girl Dirk Benedict-style. Guess RDM really did turn Starbuck into a little girl.
 
2013-02-13 11:23:59 AM  
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2013-02-13 11:24:02 AM  

Diogenes: LOL. Yep. Nailed it.


I was blessed with all boys. But I have friends with teenage daughters, I dont know how they keep from choking them.
 
2013-02-13 11:24:56 AM  

Rapmaster2000: Marco Rubio is going to appeal to all of the Mexicans out there really good. We've got a Mexican now.  Who's inclusive now, libs?


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