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(WCPO Cincinnati)   In a decision that is sure to have the district's lawyer beating his head against the table, Jackson, OH school board votes 4-0 to keep up the picture of Jesus that's hanging in the high school   (wcpo.com) divider line 55
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2013-02-13 09:12:06 AM
5 votes:
I wonder if it's white, blond, blue-eyed Jesus.

I like my false idols extra false.
2013-02-13 10:26:42 AM
3 votes:
Despite what Fox News will tell you, kids can pray in school, too. The teacher just can't lead it.
2013-02-13 09:41:34 AM
3 votes:

Vodka Zombie: It's like they just don't get it.

Weird.


They totally get it.  The Christians get to have their picture of Jesus in the school because the kids wanted it.  Pictures of deities from other religions can be hung too, if there are enough students to form a club (which has to be approved by the school), and the club requests to have a picture (which has to be approved by the school) hung in the space.  How many students that don't practice Christianity attend the middle school in Jackson County, Ohio?  Checkmate.  Amen.

/going to make some popcorn
2013-02-13 01:39:19 PM
2 votes:

Oldiron_79: fruitloop: Vodka Zombie: It's like they just don't get it.

Weird.

They totally get it.  The Christians get to have their picture of Jesus in the school because the kids wanted it.  Pictures of deities from other religions can be hung too, if there are enough students to form a club (which has to be approved by the school), and the club requests to have a picture (which has to be approved by the school) hung in the space.  How many students that don't practice Christianity attend the middle school in Jackson County, Ohio?  Checkmate.  Amen.

/going to make some popcorn

The Courthouse in Cumberland co TN has a statue of the Flying Spaghetti Monster on its ground from where some ACLU troll tried sueing then they said they would gladly put up any statue that any religious group wanted to pay for.


That's funny, but it's still wrong.  The First Amendment doesn't guarantee equal treatment of all religions; it forbids laws promoting any religions.
2013-02-13 10:22:26 AM
2 votes:
didn;t read TFA but I suspect it's totally political. The board votes to keep it so the rubes are happy. the courts order taken down so they're the bad guys and provide cover for the board. simple really.
2013-02-13 10:09:48 AM
2 votes:

Galvatron Zero: As an atheist...

I really don't understand what the big deal is.  It's just a picture.  Seriously.  To some people, it's the son of god and makes them feel good.  To others... it's just a picture.

There's a church on my street!
I demand it gets torn down!
It offends my senses!

If a picture of Jesus offends you, you have other issues.

/overactive sense of self-entitlement being one...
9_9


Wicked Chinchilla: This.
Plus its not like anything is "funded".  its a student group.  If it was bought, paid for, and managed by the school, and other clubs/organizations were prevented from hanging there's you have a problem.

/chill, all the unnecessary squealing does is fuel unjustified persecution complexes



Really guys?  There should be no religious imagery or influence at all, period, in any public school anywhere.  On the other hand X, church, mosque, or temple on x street has every right to be where it is.  People that don't see the different between public and private in their religious tolerance or outrage aren't thinking at a high enough level.
2013-02-13 10:08:01 AM
2 votes:

Galvatron Zero: As an atheist...

I really don't understand what the big deal is.  It's just a picture.  Seriously.  To some people, it's the son of god and makes them feel good.  To others... it's just a picture.

There's a church on my street!
I demand it gets torn down!
It offends my senses!

If a picture of Jesus offends you, you have other issues.

/overactive sense of self-entitlement being one...
9_9


Its not the picture of Jesus, its the tacit symbol of Christianity as the official religion of the school that is wrong, along with the idea that religion belongs in school in the first place.
2013-02-13 10:02:26 AM
2 votes:

Deep Contact: I didn't know they had camera's back then.


I didn't know they had apostrophes .
2013-02-13 09:58:38 AM
2 votes:
encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com
2013-02-13 09:52:11 AM
2 votes:
To be fair...there are probably tons of blank spaces in the school for the Atheists.
2013-02-14 06:18:13 AM
1 votes:

sure haven't: Egads, imagine that. A country founded by Christians wants to keep a Christian symbol up in a public place.

There are so many more important things to internet-rage about, ffs who gives a sh*t...


The country was also founds by slaveholders. perhaps we should honor slavery in our schools too.
2013-02-13 07:53:26 PM
1 votes:

Oldiron_79: Allowing a monument paid for by another group to be on govt land is not promoting as long as you don't discriminate. Now if the govt pays for the monument pr discriminates it is promoting as ruled by the court.


Which court?  The SCOTUS earned a blistering from Clarence Thomas for the mess of conflicting lower-court rulings that it keeps dodging.

Public land that people are free to avoid or leave is different from a public school with a captive audience.  And don't tell me the kids can go to private school; they can't make that choice.  This is about the kids' rights to be free from religion, not their parents'.

Who pays for a religious display is irrelevant, imo.  The display is not possible without the school's permission, which a reasonable person would conclude implies endorsement.  Want a court case?  See Thomas' dissent:

"A sharply divided Court of Appeals for the 10th Circuit has declared unconstitutional a private association's efforts to memorialize slain police officers with white roadside crosses, holding that the crosses convey to a reasonable observer that the state of Utah is endorsing Christianity."

The SCOTUS refused to hear that case, letting the 10th Circuit decision stand.
2013-02-13 04:50:48 PM
1 votes:

freeforever: meat0918: You know what's amazing?

When Christians keep their religion to themselves they get along great with others.

Instead, they are jamming it anywhere and everywhere they can and complaining when we; both the secular and the religious citizens that like the separation of church and state; ask them to follow the laws of the land.

I'm sorry, but trying to backdoor bypass the First Amendment just isn't going to fly in this country any longer.

So in your book, a static portrait of Jesus on a school wall is "jamming" religion "anywhere and everywhere?"  And since you brought up the First Amendment:


Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. Liberals are quick to point the prohibitoin of government establishing a relion but couldn't give a fark about the right to the free exercise of religion and right to free speech.  It's one thing is the school is promoting religion, but if a group of students wants to hang a simple portrait of some dude who goes by the name of Jesus and the school is willing to allow other students to express their religion then by all means ....GET....OVER.....YOURSELVES....YOU.....INTOLLERANT.....ATHIESTS.


Oh, I am all for free exercise of religious freedom.  And I mentioned elsewhere in the thread that I am not exactly happy that schools limit their student's right to free speech.

I want everyone to be able to worship freely, as well as the freedom to not have to be religious.  That freedom is implicit in the First Amendment.  However, the freedom or religion does not include official government endorsement of things like putting up items that serve no secular purpose in a government building.  This includes public school teachers and administrators

I don't care if a teacher wears a religious pendant, or has a picture of her chosen deity on her desk(though , as long as she is teaching first and never proselytizing.

I had teachers that were super religious outside of the school, but never felt the need to preach in class.  We need more of our super religious teachers to keep it outside the classroom.
rpm
2013-02-13 02:28:11 PM
1 votes:

Professor Duck: The world would be a better place if people legitimately followed his teachings.


Great idea!

"For there are eunuchs who have been so from birth, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by men, and there are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. Let the one who is able to receive this receive it.""

"For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law."
2013-02-13 01:45:26 PM
1 votes:
 

The Bruce Dickinson: freeforever: The collective victims of Mao Zedong's Great Leap Forward, Stalin's Purges and Pol Pot's Khmer Rouge would disagree with you.   But still, I am amused how you liken a portrait of Jesus to one of the greatest mass-murderers of the 20th century.

Your familiarity with history is comparable to your grasp of the Bill of Rights...

The Indians of North and South America left dead in the wake of the Christian invasion number 150,000,000 alone, 20,000,000 more than your hero's listed above...

To be clear, Jesus was not real, but if he were, he'd be a douche in my book...much like you...



My hero's (sic) listed above amount to three.  That they're only 20,000,000 behind the countless Christians you count that were part of the Indian massacres proves my point more than it does yours.  Religious people make up, what, 90% of our world's population since the beginning of time?  Of course more crimes should have been committed by them, however proportionately godless Communists have proven bloodiest.
2013-02-13 01:20:29 PM
1 votes:

The Bruce Dickinson: freeforever: But I am happy you liken a potrait of Jesus to one of the greatest mass-murderers of the 20th century.  Puts things in perspective.

Christians are #1 in mass murders over time, well OK, 2nd only to God in the OT...

Don't make me post DETAILS and FACTS...your head may explode...


The collective victims of Mao Zedong's Great Leap Forward, Stalin's Purges and Pol Pot's Khmer Rouge would disagree with you.   But still, I am amused how you liken a portrait of Jesus to one of the greatest mass-murderers of the 20th century.
2013-02-13 01:07:29 PM
1 votes:

freeforever: Dr Dreidel: freeforever: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion

You missed the key phrase. "Establishments" are not simply "buildings", it's the trappings of religion. If the state promotes one religion over others, they run afoul of First Amendment protections. Period. (Read up on the Lemon test.)

You need to read the article again.  The school is allowing students from multiple clubs to hang portraits of their chosing.  How is that the state promoting one religion over the other when they're allowing everyone to get in on the action?


The article blurb says the High-Y Club owns the picture. The school is under no obligation to hang it on their grounds - student club-owned or not - and I would expect that a school administrator know the tiniest bit about the Establishment Clause. Enough to know that you fig-leaf the Jesus pic with an FSM index card hanging in a disused office at the bottom of a dilapidated stairwell to nowhere (under the "Beware of Leopard" sign").

Also, the blurb doesn't mention whether other student groups could get approval ("Well, we'd like to have an atheist student union, Timmy, but it seems you didn't get the approval of 10 teachers. No picture for you, better luck next year!") or whether anyone else tried. IIRC, the picture's been hanging there for 65 years. You're telling me throughout that time no other student group was formed or requested to have a picture hung?

Actually, it doesn't matter - schools shouldn't be showing preference to one religion. The High-Y club can hang the picture on a wall it owns.
2013-02-13 12:56:00 PM
1 votes:

The Bruce Dickinson: Conservatives are quick to point the prohibition of government establishing a religion but couldn't give a fark about the right to the free exercise of religion and right to free speech.  It's one thing is the school is promoting religion, but if a group of students wants to hang a simple portrait of some dude who goes by the name of Muhammadand the school is willing to allow other students to express their religion then by all means ....

GET....OVER.....YOURSELVES....YOU..... INTOLERANT.....CHRISTIANS.

p.s.  Why can't conservative blowhards spell?


Because they can't imagine anything they do could possibly be wrong.  It's why they're smug when presented with facts that clearly prove them wrong. I think it might have to do with only ever reading (or pretending to read)  one book and being told everything in it is correct and by attending church they're  automatically Christian and Christianity is always right, therefore they're always right. AND GOD SAYETH "INTOLERANT" SHALL NOW BE SPELLETH "INTOLLERANT" BECAUSE THE LIBERAL SPELLING DEVILS TAKETH A "TOLL" ON YOUR SOUL.PRAISE BE TO GAWWWD AMEN.
2013-02-13 12:40:33 PM
1 votes:

Galvatron Zero: As an atheist...

I really don't understand what the big deal is.  It's just a picture.  Seriously.  To some people, it's the son of god and makes them feel good.  To others... it's just a picture.

There's a church on my street!
I demand it gets torn down!
It offends my senses!

If a picture of Jesus offends you, you have other issues.

/overactive sense of self-entitlement being one...
9_9


If someone defaced the portrait of Jesus I'm sure no one would claim that christians were being persecuted.  It's just a picture after all.
2013-02-13 12:39:41 PM
1 votes:
i.imgur.com

Pity the Christians, they just don't get it...
2013-02-13 12:37:44 PM
1 votes:

freeforever: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion


You missed the key phrase. "Establishments" are not simply "buildings", it's the trappings of religion. If the state promotes one religion over others, they run afoul of First Amendment protections. Period. (Read up on the Lemon test.)

If schools were agnostic, you'd never hear about this shiat either AND Christians would still be as free to worship as they were when the picture hung. Freedom!
2013-02-13 12:35:41 PM
1 votes:
Conservatives are quick to point the prohibition of government establishing a religion but couldn't give a fark about the right to the free exercise of religion and right to free speech.  It's one thing is the school is promoting religion, but if a group of students wants to hang a simple portrait of some dude who goes by the name of Muhammadand the school is willing to allow other students to express their religion then by all means ....

GET....OVER.....YOURSELVES....YOU..... INTOLERANT.....CHRISTIANS.

p.s.  Why can't conservative blowhards spell?
2013-02-13 12:24:36 PM
1 votes:

meat0918: You know what's amazing?

When Christians keep their religion to themselves they get along great with others.

Instead, they are jamming it anywhere and everywhere they can and complaining when we; both the secular and the religious citizens that like the separation of church and state; ask them to follow the laws of the land.

I'm sorry, but trying to backdoor bypass the First Amendment just isn't going to fly in this country any longer.


So in your book, a static portrait of Jesus on a school wall is "jamming" religion "anywhere and everywhere?"  And since you brought up the First Amendment:


Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
 Liberals are quick to point the prohibitoin of government establishing a relion but couldn't give a fark about the right to the free exercise of religion and right to free speech.  It's one thing is the school is promoting religion, but if a group of students wants to hang a simple portrait of some dude who goes by the name of Jesus and the school is willing to allow other students to express their religion then by all means ....GET....OVER.....YOURSELVES....YOU.....INTOLLERANT.....ATHIESTS.
2013-02-13 12:11:38 PM
1 votes:

Professor Duck: Portraits of people that preached selflessness and compassion for others MAKE ME SO ANGRY!


Most likely inaccurate portraits of someone who (apparently - I wasn't there) preached selflessness and compassion whose teachings are now used to justify condemning some people as less human than the rest of us, encouraging the spread of AIDS in Africa, and handing me pamphlets does get under my skin a little, yeah.

/The last might not be the same scale of evil as the other two.
2013-02-13 12:09:03 PM
1 votes:
Even though this event is just empty posturing by some school officials who want to prove how Christian they are by ignoring the First Amendment and then going to court over it, it sets yet another bad example of how public education can be so easily sidetracked by interests (in this case, religious fundamentalists) that should not have this much influence over an institution that's intended to prepare kids for the real world. That's why we're still having groups challenge the teaching of evolution in schools, even though all the groups in question have to offer is loads of money to keep causing trouble.

The public high school I graduated from now has the ten commandments hanging in the lobby, supposedly put up a religious student group, and the town is so overrun with religious fundies that no one is brave enough to challenge it. If this is how the First Amendment is supposed to work, then it's not working at all.
2013-02-13 11:30:06 AM
1 votes:
i.imgur.com

Checkmate, atheists.
2013-02-13 11:18:30 AM
1 votes:

Kurmudgeon: coeyagi: Why not a portrait of this guy? He's like a modern-day Jesus who has a cult following too, many of whom who hate gays (but mainly because they're mostly Christian)?

Christ didn't hate gays, so if they do, they aren't following Christ's example.


I never said Christ hated gays.  Just a lot of Christians.  Especially those in Scouts (many of which are evangelical or LDS).
2013-02-13 11:04:29 AM
1 votes:

coeyagi: Why not a portrait of this guy? He's like a modern-day Jesus who has a cult following too, many of whom who hate gays (but mainly because they're mostly Christian)?


Christ didn't hate gays, so if they do, they aren't following Christ's example.
2013-02-13 11:03:00 AM
1 votes:

SuperChuck: jonohull: saying it is protecting students' free speech rights.

Yeah, except it's the opposite of that.

How does having a picture up infringe on anyone's right to free speech?


No, it's if they ban them putting it up.  That's the supposed infringement.

Google the case about the student with the Jesus love Pot sign or t-shirt.  It was something like that.

Schools, for good or ill, have been allowed for a long time to restrict a student's free speech in the name of order and authority.

//Not particularly keen on restricting a student's rights in such a way...
2013-02-13 11:02:25 AM
1 votes:

Theaetetus: b8zlbubba: The district's lawyer is actually salivating about the hours he will get to bill on this one.

Someone doesn't know how government positions work.


Umm...that would be you.  The school board doesn't have its own lawyer.  They have to contract out for that.  I say that with a fair amount of knowledge, as I am an Ohio lawyer who has also held a local political office in the past.
2013-02-13 10:55:59 AM
1 votes:
Awesome for them. Guts and glory.
2013-02-13 10:52:29 AM
1 votes:

ChrisDe: Despite what Fox News will tell you, kids can pray in school, too. The teacher just can't lead it.


And then there is this.

As long as there are multiple choice tests, there will be prayers.
2013-02-13 10:51:12 AM
1 votes:

Galvatron Zero: As an atheist...

I really don't understand what the big deal is.  It's just a picture.  Seriously.  To some people, it's the son of god and makes them feel good.  To others... it's just a picture.

There's a church on my street!
I demand it gets torn down!
It offends my senses!

If a picture of Jesus offends you, you have other issues.

/overactive sense of self-entitlement being one...
9_9


And if you don't see the greater issue at stake, then you have issues yourself.  See what happens if an Eastern Studies club forms up and wants to hang a portrait of Siva.
2013-02-13 10:40:49 AM
1 votes:

TNel: Sounds like someone doesn't understand how school's work.


Sounds like someone doesn't understand their schoolwork.
2013-02-13 10:21:01 AM
1 votes:

Wicked Chinchilla: If it was bought, paid for, and managed by the school, and other clubs/organizations were prevented from hanging there's you have a problem.


You know how I know you aren't qualified to talk about what happens in a school?
hej
2013-02-13 10:13:55 AM
1 votes:

vudukungfu: I say keep all things equal here.
Just put up a picture of Muhammad right nest to it.
Problem solved.


Enjoy your death threats from the muslim community.
2013-02-13 10:13:19 AM
1 votes:
Someone is eventually going to sue (didnt RTFA so excuse me if its been done) - the school district is going to lose badly but not before elevating it through several layers of the court system and spending $10's of thousands of dollars on lawyer fees.

The end result is they will likely cut a few staff positions or eliminate some programs to "pay" for this little adventure.   These results are basically foreordained - the end result is NOT a court order allowing you to keep that picture.  I can't believe there isnt at least ONE person involved who is willing to point out the blindingly obvious and (if pushed by the vocal supporters) be willing to say "I refuse to waste to the districts money on a fight we can not win"....
2013-02-13 10:11:39 AM
1 votes:
You know what's amazing?

When Christians keep their religion to themselves they get along great with others.

Instead, they are jamming it anywhere and everywhere they can and complaining when we; both the secular and the religious citizens that like the separation of church and state; ask them to follow the laws of the land.

I'm sorry, but trying to backdoor bypass the First Amendment just isn't going to fly in this country any longer.
2013-02-13 10:10:30 AM
1 votes:

vudukungfu: Feral_and_Preposterous: archaeopteryx

Is that a wingless flightless hairy bird?


"A wingless bird with hairy feathers."
2013-02-13 10:10:10 AM
1 votes:
Onward, Christian soldiers, marching as to war, with the cross of Jesus going on before. drkronner.files.wordpress.com
2013-02-13 10:09:57 AM
1 votes:
I guess these guys didn't hear how things ended for a school making nearly identical arguments in Cranston, Rhode Island.

/for anyone else who doesn't know, the school board lost the case as well as hundreds of thousands of dollars attempting to fight it.
2013-02-13 10:09:49 AM
1 votes:

jonohull: Yeah, except it's the opposite of that.


They'll argue that there are no free speech rights in a public school in any other situation where they attempt to deny a student from wearing a t-shirt they don't like, scrubbing an article in the school newspaper, telling some kid that his hair dye is unacceptable, hair is too long, etc.
2013-02-13 10:08:55 AM
1 votes:
Perhaps a more appropriate deity... One connected with wisdom and self-sacrifice for knowledge?

upload.wikimedia.org
2013-02-13 10:07:01 AM
1 votes:
Jesus continues to not give a fark. Though his dad thinks these people are getting pretty close to idol worship.
2013-02-13 10:00:39 AM
1 votes:

Galvatron Zero: As an atheist...

I really don't understand what the big deal is.  It's just a picture.  Seriously.  To some people, it's the son of god and makes them feel good.  To others... it's just a picture.

There's a church on my street!
I demand it gets torn down!
It offends my senses!

If a picture of Jesus offends you, you have other issues.

/overactive sense of self-entitlement being one...
9_9


Yep. Ban Jesus, and watch him become more powerful than you ever imagined. Hey, it works for books! And also it worked for the Romans.
2013-02-13 10:00:28 AM
1 votes:

mechgreg: Is it this picture?

[crossfitkyle.com image 239x300]

Because I don't think that Jesus should be around school children either.


www.southdacola.com
2013-02-13 09:59:43 AM
1 votes:

factoryconnection: This was a news snippet and didn't satisfy.  I'm sure there is an article out there with a picture of the portrait and maybe more background info.  Off to teh Googles...




Oh, wait: TFA has a link to a more informative article.
2013-02-13 09:58:36 AM
1 votes:

b8zlbubba: The district's lawyer is actually salivating about the hours he will get to bill on this one.


Someone doesn't know how government positions work.
2013-02-13 09:57:30 AM
1 votes:
As an atheist...

I really don't understand what the big deal is.  It's just a picture.  Seriously.  To some people, it's the son of god and makes them feel good.  To others... it's just a picture.

There's a church on my street!
I demand it gets torn down!
It offends my senses!


If a picture of Jesus offends you, you have other issues.

/overactive sense of self-entitlement being one...
9_9
2013-02-13 09:57:20 AM
1 votes:
After huddling with attorneys in closed session the board said the portrait belongs to the student group that put it up, the Hi-Y club. It says it will allow other student clubs to hang portraits appropriate to their organizations.

Okay, Kickstarter campaign to fund new student groups there and buy large oil portraits of:
www.hf.uib.no 1.bp.blogspot.com
4.bp.blogspot.comupload.wikimedia.org
2013-02-13 09:57:00 AM
1 votes:
Huh? What's the big deal about a picture of Cesare Borgia?
2013-02-13 09:56:46 AM
1 votes:
saying it is protecting students' free speech rights.

Yeah, except it's the opposite of that.
2013-02-13 09:55:50 AM
1 votes:
The district's lawyer is actually salivating about the hours he will get to bill on this one.  The people that will really suffer are the students and taxpayers who have to fund this.  But they are the fools who "overwhelmingly" support the idea of displaying religious icons in their school.  Of course, they would be the first to crap their pants if the school board decided to display icons from other religions in the school...
2013-02-13 09:54:44 AM
1 votes:
fruitloop: Vodka Zombie: It's like they just don't get it.

Weird.

They totally get it.  The Christians get to have their picture of Jesus in the school because the kids wanted it.  Pictures of deities from other religions can be hung too, if there are enough students to form a club (which has to be approved by the school), and the club requests to have a picture (which has to be approved by the school) hung in the space.  How many students that don't practice Christianity attend the middle school in Jackson County, Ohio?  Checkmate.  Amen.

/going to make some popcorn


The Courthouse in Cumberland co TN has a statue of the Flying Spaghetti Monster on its ground from where some ACLU troll tried sueing then they said they would gladly put up any statue that any religious group wanted to pay for.
2013-02-13 09:54:26 AM
1 votes:
Is it this picture?

crossfitkyle.com

Because I don't think that Jesus should be around school children either.
 
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