If you can read this, either the style sheet didn't load or you have an older browser that doesn't support style sheets. Try clearing your browser cache and refreshing the page.

(WCPO Cincinnati)   In a decision that is sure to have the district's lawyer beating his head against the table, Jackson, OH school board votes 4-0 to keep up the picture of Jesus that's hanging in the high school   (wcpo.com) divider line 201
    More: Followup, closed sessions, high schools  
•       •       •

4508 clicks; posted to Main » on 13 Feb 2013 at 9:49 AM (1 year ago)   |  Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



201 Comments   (+0 »)
   
View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest

Archived thread

First | « | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | » | Last | Show all
 
2013-02-13 11:09:52 AM
Egads, imagine that. A country founded by Christians wants to keep a Christian symbol up in a public place.

There are so many more important things to internet-rage about, ffs who gives a sh*t...
 
2013-02-13 11:14:19 AM
They don't want to be the next Newtown?
 
2013-02-13 11:18:30 AM

Kurmudgeon: coeyagi: Why not a portrait of this guy? He's like a modern-day Jesus who has a cult following too, many of whom who hate gays (but mainly because they're mostly Christian)?

Christ didn't hate gays, so if they do, they aren't following Christ's example.


I never said Christ hated gays.  Just a lot of Christians.  Especially those in Scouts (many of which are evangelical or LDS).
 
2013-02-13 11:18:30 AM

fruitloop: Vodka Zombie: It's like they just don't get it.

Weird.

They totally get it.  The Christians get to have their picture of Jesus in the school because the kids wanted it.  Pictures of deities from other religions can be hung too, if there are enough students to form a club (which has to be approved by the school), and the club requests to have a picture (which has to be approved by the school) hung in the space.  How many students that don't practice Christianity attend the middle school in Jackson County, Ohio?  Checkmate.  Amen.

/going to make some popcorn


Favorited!
 
2013-02-13 11:18:54 AM

TommyJReed: After huddling with attorneys in closed session the board said the portrait belongs to the student group that put it up, the Hi-Y club. It says it will allow other student clubs to hang portraits appropriate to their organizations.


I hope there are some creative kids in this school with a bit of free time.
 
2013-02-13 11:19:12 AM

The Irresponsible Captain: Perhaps a more appropriate deity... One connected with wisdom and self-sacrifice for knowledge?

[upload.wikimedia.org image 220x323]


Fun fact: also the god of having having raven poop on your shoulder.

/No claim of actual factuality is made.
 
2013-02-13 11:27:39 AM

Target Builder: TommyJReed: After huddling with attorneys in closed session the board said the portrait belongs to the student group that put it up, the Hi-Y club. It says it will allow other student clubs to hang portraits appropriate to their organizations.

I hope there are some creative kids in this school with a bit of free time.


This is true out-in-BFE country... the creative kids tend to get 'lost' during deer gun season.

/blaze orange is so last year
//Wiki page for Jackson features 2 pics of the town's water tower, lol
 
2013-02-13 11:28:18 AM

coeyagi: Kurmudgeon: coeyagi: Why not a portrait of this guy? He's like a modern-day Jesus who has a cult following too, many of whom who hate gays (but mainly because they're mostly Christian)?

Christ didn't hate gays, so if they do, they aren't following Christ's example.

I never said Christ hated gays.  Just a lot of Christians.  Especially those in Scouts (many of which are evangelical or LDS).


Really? Do you have any stats on that?
 
2013-02-13 11:30:06 AM
i.imgur.com

Checkmate, atheists.
 
2013-02-13 11:31:12 AM

Bender The Offender: The Irresponsible Captain: Perhaps a more appropriate deity... One connected with wisdom and self-sacrifice for knowledge?

[upload.wikimedia.org image 220x323]

Is that Gandalf the Grey?


Odin, whom I pretty sure was inspiration for Gandalf.
 
2013-02-13 11:31:44 AM

Theaetetus: TNel: Sounds like someone doesn't understand how school's work.

Sounds like someone doesn't understand their schoolwork.


awww you are proved wrong so the rebuttal is being a grammar nazi.  How quant, no "sorry I was completely talking out of my ass".
 
2013-02-13 11:33:25 AM

Theaetetus: After huddling with attorneys in closed session the board said the portrait belongs to the student group that put it up, the Hi-Y club. It says it will allow other student clubs to hang portraits appropriate to their organizations.

Okay, Kickstarter campaign to fund new student groups there and buy large oil portraits of:
[www.hf.uib.no image 170x255] [1.bp.blogspot.com image 257x300]
[4.bp.blogspot.com image 371x365][upload.wikimedia.org image 330x170]


That demon from Legend has always been my favorite depiction of a "devil". I mean look at the horns on that guy!
 
2013-02-13 11:40:55 AM
You just have to love school districts run by morons.
 
2013-02-13 11:40:58 AM

TNel: Theaetetus: TNel: Sounds like someone doesn't understand how school's work.

Sounds like someone doesn't understand their schoolwork.

awww you are proved wrong so the rebuttal is being a grammar nazi.  How quant, no "sorry I was completely talking out of my ass".


Oh, sorry, I was talking out of my ass. Also, it's "quaint", dumbass.
 
2013-02-13 11:44:23 AM

TNel: Theaetetus: TNel: Sounds like someone doesn't understand how school's work.

Sounds like someone doesn't understand their schoolwork.

awww you are proved wrong so the rebuttal is being a grammar nazi.  How quant, no "sorry I was completely talking out of my ass".

 
2013-02-13 11:52:51 AM

Vodka Zombie: It's like they just don't get it.


They're copacetic?

/Hey, you get it in my head, I get it in yours.
 
2013-02-13 11:53:10 AM

Galvatron Zero: As an atheist...

I really don't understand what the big deal is.  It's just a picture.  Seriously.  To some people, it's the son of god and makes them feel good.  To others... it's just a picture.

There's a church on my street!
I demand it gets torn down!
It offends my senses!

If a picture of Jesus offends you, you have other issues.

/overactive sense of self-entitlement being one...
9_9


Portraits of people that preached selflessness and compassion for others MAKE ME SO ANGRY!
 
2013-02-13 11:56:30 AM
I think it's kind of morbid that they hanged Jesus in the school and took a picture.
 
rpm
2013-02-13 12:02:11 PM
Another school already had the identical picture and had to have it taken down. These guys are flying in the face of precedent and are going to get their asses handed to them in court.
 
2013-02-13 12:03:46 PM

Theaetetus: TNel: Theaetetus: TNel: Sounds like someone doesn't understand how school's work.

Sounds like someone doesn't understand their schoolwork.

awww you are proved wrong so the rebuttal is being a grammar nazi.  How quant, no "sorry I was completely talking out of my ass".

Oh, sorry, I was talking out of my ass. Also, it's "quaint", dumbass.


I know.
 
2013-02-13 12:09:03 PM
Even though this event is just empty posturing by some school officials who want to prove how Christian they are by ignoring the First Amendment and then going to court over it, it sets yet another bad example of how public education can be so easily sidetracked by interests (in this case, religious fundamentalists) that should not have this much influence over an institution that's intended to prepare kids for the real world. That's why we're still having groups challenge the teaching of evolution in schools, even though all the groups in question have to offer is loads of money to keep causing trouble.

The public high school I graduated from now has the ten commandments hanging in the lobby, supposedly put up a religious student group, and the town is so overrun with religious fundies that no one is brave enough to challenge it. If this is how the First Amendment is supposed to work, then it's not working at all.
 
2013-02-13 12:11:38 PM

Professor Duck: Portraits of people that preached selflessness and compassion for others MAKE ME SO ANGRY!


Most likely inaccurate portraits of someone who (apparently - I wasn't there) preached selflessness and compassion whose teachings are now used to justify condemning some people as less human than the rest of us, encouraging the spread of AIDS in Africa, and handing me pamphlets does get under my skin a little, yeah.

/The last might not be the same scale of evil as the other two.
 
2013-02-13 12:13:44 PM

sure haven't: Egads, imagine that. A country founded by Christians wants to keep a Christian symbol up in a public place.

There are so many more important things to internet-rage about, ffs who gives a sh*t...




Satan?
 
2013-02-13 12:19:45 PM

The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: I think it's kind of morbid that they hanged Jesus in the school and took a picture.


Heehee
 
2013-02-13 12:21:21 PM

TNel: Theaetetus: TNel: Sounds like someone doesn't understand how school's work.

Sounds like someone doesn't understand their schoolwork.

awww you are proved wrong so the rebuttal is being a grammar nazi.  How quant, no "sorry I was completely talking out of my ass".




Awww, you are proved wrong, so the your rebuttal is to being a grammar nazi? How quaint*. No "Sorry, I was completely talking out of my ass".?

* I'm assuming that was the word you were looking for?
/Easter egg in there for you people who want to fire back.
//Let's rock 'n roll!
 
2013-02-13 12:21:48 PM

Jaws75: The public high school I graduated from now has the ten commandments hanging in the lobby, supposedly put up a religious student group, and the town is so overrun with religious fundies that no one is brave enough to challenge it. If this is how the First Amendment is supposed to work, then it's not working at all.


It's sad, but the law is the law independent of asshats who choose to flout it. It's more sad that a concerned citizen doesn't have standing to sue to have it removed; it's gotta be the parent of a kid in the district (or just in the school?).
 
2013-02-13 12:22:49 PM
Beat his head???
He's shopping for his new Porsche
 
2013-02-13 12:24:36 PM

meat0918: You know what's amazing?

When Christians keep their religion to themselves they get along great with others.

Instead, they are jamming it anywhere and everywhere they can and complaining when we; both the secular and the religious citizens that like the separation of church and state; ask them to follow the laws of the land.

I'm sorry, but trying to backdoor bypass the First Amendment just isn't going to fly in this country any longer.


So in your book, a static portrait of Jesus on a school wall is "jamming" religion "anywhere and everywhere?"  And since you brought up the First Amendment:


Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
 Liberals are quick to point the prohibitoin of government establishing a relion but couldn't give a fark about the right to the free exercise of religion and right to free speech.  It's one thing is the school is promoting religion, but if a group of students wants to hang a simple portrait of some dude who goes by the name of Jesus and the school is willing to allow other students to express their religion then by all means ....GET....OVER.....YOURSELVES....YOU.....INTOLLERANT.....ATHIESTS.
 
2013-02-13 12:30:33 PM
And the next item on the list "Budget Cuts".
 
2013-02-13 12:31:46 PM

I May Be Crazy But...: Professor Duck: Portraits of people that preached selflessness and compassion for others MAKE ME SO ANGRY!

Most likely inaccurate portraits of someone who (apparently - I wasn't there) preached selflessness and compassion whose teachings are now used to justify condemning some people as less human than the rest of us, encouraging the spread of AIDS in Africa, and handing me pamphlets does get under my skin a little, yeah.

/The last might not be the same scale of evil as the other two.


Then be pissed with the people that misinterpret his teachings, not with the man himself.
 
2013-02-13 12:35:41 PM
Conservatives are quick to point the prohibition of government establishing a religion but couldn't give a fark about the right to the free exercise of religion and right to free speech.  It's one thing is the school is promoting religion, but if a group of students wants to hang a simple portrait of some dude who goes by the name of Muhammadand the school is willing to allow other students to express their religion then by all means ....

GET....OVER.....YOURSELVES....YOU..... INTOLERANT.....CHRISTIANS.

p.s.  Why can't conservative blowhards spell?
 
2013-02-13 12:36:20 PM

freeforever: meat0918: You know what's amazing?

When Christians keep their religion to themselves they get along great with others.

Instead, they are jamming it anywhere and everywhere they can and complaining when we; both the secular and the religious citizens that like the separation of church and state; ask them to follow the laws of the land.

I'm sorry, but trying to backdoor bypass the First Amendment just isn't going to fly in this country any longer.

So in your book, a static portrait of Jesus on a school wall is "jamming" religion "anywhere and everywhere?"  And since you brought up the First Amendment:


Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. Liberals are quick to point the prohibitoin of government establishing a relion but couldn't give a fark about the right to the free exercise of religion and right to free speech.  It's one thing is the school is promoting religion, but if a group of students wants to hang a simple portrait of some dude who goes by the name of Jesus and the school is willing to allow other students to express their religion then by all means ....GET....OVER.....YOURSELVES....YOU.....INTOLLERANT.....ATHIESTS.


You religion says nothing about hanging a false idol in a public school, so you can un-bold that part. As for free speech, that's a possibility, but only as long as they're serious about anybody who wants to being able to put up a picture of their god.
 
2013-02-13 12:37:29 PM

Stoker: Stray thought:
When do you figure God learned to speak English?


http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+11&version=NIV
 
2013-02-13 12:37:44 PM

freeforever: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion


You missed the key phrase. "Establishments" are not simply "buildings", it's the trappings of religion. If the state promotes one religion over others, they run afoul of First Amendment protections. Period. (Read up on the Lemon test.)

If schools were agnostic, you'd never hear about this shiat either AND Christians would still be as free to worship as they were when the picture hung. Freedom!
 
2013-02-13 12:38:20 PM

Professor Duck: I May Be Crazy But...: Professor Duck: Portraits of people that preached selflessness and compassion for others MAKE ME SO ANGRY!

Most likely inaccurate portraits of someone who (apparently - I wasn't there) preached selflessness and compassion whose teachings are now used to justify condemning some people as less human than the rest of us, encouraging the spread of AIDS in Africa, and handing me pamphlets does get under my skin a little, yeah.

/The last might not be the same scale of evil as the other two.

Then be pissed with the people that misinterpret his teachings, not with the man himself.


It ain't their own picture they point at when they're telling me about why I'm going to hell. I have no problem with Jesus - I have a problem with him being plastered over every damn thing.
 
2013-02-13 12:39:41 PM
i.imgur.com

Pity the Christians, they just don't get it...
 
2013-02-13 12:40:33 PM

Galvatron Zero: As an atheist...

I really don't understand what the big deal is.  It's just a picture.  Seriously.  To some people, it's the son of god and makes them feel good.  To others... it's just a picture.

There's a church on my street!
I demand it gets torn down!
It offends my senses!

If a picture of Jesus offends you, you have other issues.

/overactive sense of self-entitlement being one...
9_9


If someone defaced the portrait of Jesus I'm sure no one would claim that christians were being persecuted.  It's just a picture after all.
 
2013-02-13 12:44:26 PM

The Bruce Dickinson: Conservatives are quick to point the prohibition of government establishing a religion but couldn't give a fark about the right to the free exercise of religion and right to free speech.  It's one thing is the school is promoting religion, but if a group of students wants to hang a simple portrait of some dude who goes by the name of Muhammadand the school is willing to allow other students to express their religion then by all means ....


Classic straw man.  No one in this thread is arguing against a portrait of Mohammed.  If students want to hang his portrait then they should have the right.
 
2013-02-13 12:48:09 PM

Dr Dreidel: freeforever: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion

You missed the key phrase. "Establishments" are not simply "buildings", it's the trappings of religion. If the state promotes one religion over others, they run afoul of First Amendment protections. Period. (Read up on the Lemon test.)


You need to read the article again.  The school is allowing students from multiple clubs to hang portraits of their chosing.  How is that the state promoting one religion over the other when they're allowing everyone to get in on the action?
 
2013-02-13 12:50:06 PM

freeforever: No one in this thread is arguing against a portrait of Mohammed.  If students want to hang his portrait then they should have the right.


If the portrait was of Muhammed, this thread would be on fire!

You're full of holy excrement and you know it!

Charles Manson would look good hanging there...very inspirational I would think...or maybe Stalin.
 
2013-02-13 12:54:21 PM

freeforever: No one in this thread is arguing against a portrait of Mohammed. If students want to hang his portrait then they should have the right.


It is a school.  They should be focused on educating the children about the real and not the mythological, unless Myths and Legends is part of that semester's syllabus.
 
2013-02-13 12:54:22 PM
The irony of the Flying Spaghetti Monster is that in another few hundred years, people are going to be fighting for their right to worship it, and it will be considered a real religion, taken literally and seriously, without even the tiniest hint of atheism left to it. There will be wars fought in His Noodly Name, and people will argue against pirate movies in schools. The Olive Garden will become a chain of churches.

Hordes of believers will persecute and kill non-believers in the triple-holy wars. Islamists will argue that the FSM is an abomination, and they will bomb Italian restaurants. Christians will say that God made man in His image, and since we don't look like spaghetti the FSM is obviously a false idol.

And in the end, the Church of Wile E. Coyote will destroy the world with an accidental atomic suicide bombing of the Olive Garden Institute (home of the His Holiness the Chef of Boyardee) in Florence, Italy.
 
2013-02-13 12:56:00 PM

The Bruce Dickinson: Conservatives are quick to point the prohibition of government establishing a religion but couldn't give a fark about the right to the free exercise of religion and right to free speech.  It's one thing is the school is promoting religion, but if a group of students wants to hang a simple portrait of some dude who goes by the name of Muhammadand the school is willing to allow other students to express their religion then by all means ....

GET....OVER.....YOURSELVES....YOU..... INTOLERANT.....CHRISTIANS.

p.s.  Why can't conservative blowhards spell?


Because they can't imagine anything they do could possibly be wrong.  It's why they're smug when presented with facts that clearly prove them wrong. I think it might have to do with only ever reading (or pretending to read)  one book and being told everything in it is correct and by attending church they're  automatically Christian and Christianity is always right, therefore they're always right. AND GOD SAYETH "INTOLERANT" SHALL NOW BE SPELLETH "INTOLLERANT" BECAUSE THE LIBERAL SPELLING DEVILS TAKETH A "TOLL" ON YOUR SOUL.PRAISE BE TO GAWWWD AMEN.
 
2013-02-13 12:56:56 PM

Galvatron Zero: As an atheist...

I really don't understand what the big deal is.  It's just a picture.  Seriously.  To some people, it's the son of god and makes them feel good.  To others... it's just a picture.

There's a church on my street!
I demand it gets torn down!
It offends my senses!

If a picture of Jesus offends you, you have other issues.

/overactive sense of self-entitlement being one...
9_9


Let's take a group of children, force them into one building every day, and then put up an image of one religion.

Yeah. I don't see how that sends a message about who's supported and who isn't at  aaaalll.

/In America, we do not let the government imply support for any one religion. There is a reason for that. And it ain't entitlement.
 
2013-02-13 01:00:45 PM

The Bruce Dickinson: freeforever: No one in this thread is arguing against a portrait of Mohammed.  If students want to hang his portrait then they should have the right.

If the portrait was of Muhammed, this thread would be on fire!

You're full of holy excrement and you know it!

Charles Manson would look good hanging there...very inspirational I would think...or maybe Stalin.


That's pure conjecture; an assumption based on something that hasn't happened.  But I am happy you liken a potrait of Jesus to one of the greatest mass-murderers of the 20th century.  Puts things in perspective.
 
2013-02-13 01:05:14 PM
hey guys did i miss the daily christian bashing thread?

tie squadron checking in
 
2013-02-13 01:05:58 PM
Let's take a group of children, force them into one building every day, and then put up an image of one religion.

Yeah. I don't see how that sends a message about who's supported and who isn't at  aaaalll.

/In America, we do not let the government imply support for any one religion. There is a reason for that. And it ain't entitlement.


Has anyone read the article?  It's the students who decided to put up the portrait; not the school. And the school was fine with this because they would also allow students from other religions or non-religions to do the same.
This is not indoctrination or the force-feeding of religion any more than Halloween decorations force students into practicing witchcraft.
 
2013-02-13 01:07:29 PM

freeforever: Dr Dreidel: freeforever: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion

You missed the key phrase. "Establishments" are not simply "buildings", it's the trappings of religion. If the state promotes one religion over others, they run afoul of First Amendment protections. Period. (Read up on the Lemon test.)

You need to read the article again.  The school is allowing students from multiple clubs to hang portraits of their chosing.  How is that the state promoting one religion over the other when they're allowing everyone to get in on the action?


The article blurb says the High-Y Club owns the picture. The school is under no obligation to hang it on their grounds - student club-owned or not - and I would expect that a school administrator know the tiniest bit about the Establishment Clause. Enough to know that you fig-leaf the Jesus pic with an FSM index card hanging in a disused office at the bottom of a dilapidated stairwell to nowhere (under the "Beware of Leopard" sign").

Also, the blurb doesn't mention whether other student groups could get approval ("Well, we'd like to have an atheist student union, Timmy, but it seems you didn't get the approval of 10 teachers. No picture for you, better luck next year!") or whether anyone else tried. IIRC, the picture's been hanging there for 65 years. You're telling me throughout that time no other student group was formed or requested to have a picture hung?

Actually, it doesn't matter - schools shouldn't be showing preference to one religion. The High-Y club can hang the picture on a wall it owns.
 
2013-02-13 01:10:08 PM

freeforever: The Bruce Dickinson: freeforever: No one in this thread is arguing against a portrait of Mohammed.  If students want to hang his portrait then they should have the right.

If the portrait was of Muhammed, this thread would be on fire!

You're full of holy excrement and you know it!

Charles Manson would look good hanging there...very inspirational I would think...or maybe Stalin.

That's pure conjecture; an assumption based on something that hasn't happened.  But I am happy you liken a potrait of Jesus to one of the greatest mass-murderers of the 20th century.  Puts things in perspective.




Perspective? Oh, like how the number of people killed in Manson's name is motherfarking dwarfed by the number of people killed in Jesus' name?

No: I'm not saying that's Jesus fault or intent. Jesus was the best of people. What people justify in his name is the farking tragedy. You think he'd wanthis picture on a school wall? I REALLY doubt it.
 
2013-02-13 01:10:51 PM

freeforever: Let's take a group of children, force them into one building every day, and then put up an image of one religion.

Yeah. I don't see how that sends a message about who's supported and who isn't at  aaaalll.

/In America, we do not let the government imply support for any one religion. There is a reason for that. And it ain't entitlement.

Has anyone read the article?  It's the students who decided to put up the portrait; not the school. And the school was fine with this because they would also allow students from other religions or non-religions to do the same.
This is not indoctrination or the force-feeding of religion any more than Halloween decorations force students into practicing witchcraft.


Yeah, we know it was the students. Which makes it harder for a student who's bothered to complain. There's a pretty good chance that they're already surrounded by people telling them about how Christ is the only way to be happy, Christ is the only way not to suffer for eternity, Christ is the only way to not disappoint your grandmother.

And, for that matter, it may not be obvious to that it's the work of a club instead of the administration.

It's a school - tell all the clubs to get their shiat off the walls and get back to work.
 
Displayed 50 of 201 comments

First | « | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | » | Last | Show all

View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest


This thread is archived, and closed to new comments.

Continue Farking
Submit a Link »






Report