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(WCPO Cincinnati)   In a decision that is sure to have the district's lawyer beating his head against the table, Jackson, OH school board votes 4-0 to keep up the picture of Jesus that's hanging in the high school   (wcpo.com) divider line 201
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2013-02-13 09:07:06 AM
It's like they just don't get it.

Weird.
 
2013-02-13 09:12:06 AM
I wonder if it's white, blond, blue-eyed Jesus.

I like my false idols extra false.
 
2013-02-13 09:34:54 AM
FFRF and the ACLU just started to limber up.
 
2013-02-13 09:41:34 AM

Vodka Zombie: It's like they just don't get it.

Weird.


They totally get it.  The Christians get to have their picture of Jesus in the school because the kids wanted it.  Pictures of deities from other religions can be hung too, if there are enough students to form a club (which has to be approved by the school), and the club requests to have a picture (which has to be approved by the school) hung in the space.  How many students that don't practice Christianity attend the middle school in Jackson County, Ohio?  Checkmate.  Amen.

/going to make some popcorn
 
2013-02-13 09:52:11 AM
To be fair...there are probably tons of blank spaces in the school for the Atheists.
 
2013-02-13 09:53:28 AM
i209.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-13 09:54:26 AM
Is it this picture?

crossfitkyle.com

Because I don't think that Jesus should be around school children either.
 
2013-02-13 09:54:39 AM
Where is my bag of popcorn when you need it?
 
2013-02-13 09:54:44 AM
fruitloop: Vodka Zombie: It's like they just don't get it.

Weird.

They totally get it.  The Christians get to have their picture of Jesus in the school because the kids wanted it.  Pictures of deities from other religions can be hung too, if there are enough students to form a club (which has to be approved by the school), and the club requests to have a picture (which has to be approved by the school) hung in the space.  How many students that don't practice Christianity attend the middle school in Jackson County, Ohio?  Checkmate.  Amen.

/going to make some popcorn


The Courthouse in Cumberland co TN has a statue of the Flying Spaghetti Monster on its ground from where some ACLU troll tried sueing then they said they would gladly put up any statue that any religious group wanted to pay for.
 
2013-02-13 09:55:33 AM
What is a "Hi-Y" club exactly?

FTA
After huddling with attorneys in closed session the board said the portrait belongs to the student group that put it up, the Hi-Y club. It says it will allow other student clubs to hang portraits appropriate to their organizations.
 
2013-02-13 09:55:50 AM
The district's lawyer is actually salivating about the hours he will get to bill on this one.  The people that will really suffer are the students and taxpayers who have to fund this.  But they are the fools who "overwhelmingly" support the idea of displaying religious icons in their school.  Of course, they would be the first to crap their pants if the school board decided to display icons from other religions in the school...
 
2013-02-13 09:56:22 AM
I didn't know they had camera's back then.
 
2013-02-13 09:56:43 AM
This was a news snippet and didn't satisfy.  I'm sure there is an article out there with a picture of the portrait and maybe more background info.  Off to teh Googles...
 
2013-02-13 09:56:46 AM
saying it is protecting students' free speech rights.

Yeah, except it's the opposite of that.
 
2013-02-13 09:57:00 AM
Huh? What's the big deal about a picture of Cesare Borgia?
 
2013-02-13 09:57:20 AM
oneguyrambling.com
What's unconstitutional about this?
 
2013-02-13 09:57:20 AM
After huddling with attorneys in closed session the board said the portrait belongs to the student group that put it up, the Hi-Y club. It says it will allow other student clubs to hang portraits appropriate to their organizations.

Okay, Kickstarter campaign to fund new student groups there and buy large oil portraits of:
www.hf.uib.no 1.bp.blogspot.com
4.bp.blogspot.comupload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-02-13 09:57:30 AM
As an atheist...

I really don't understand what the big deal is.  It's just a picture.  Seriously.  To some people, it's the son of god and makes them feel good.  To others... it's just a picture.

There's a church on my street!
I demand it gets torn down!
It offends my senses!


If a picture of Jesus offends you, you have other issues.

/overactive sense of self-entitlement being one...
9_9
 
2013-02-13 09:58:24 AM
In a decision that is sure to have the district's lawyer beating his head against the table banking more billable hours/counting on stable employment.
 
2013-02-13 09:58:36 AM

b8zlbubba: The district's lawyer is actually salivating about the hours he will get to bill on this one.


Someone doesn't know how government positions work.
 
2013-02-13 09:58:38 AM
encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com
 
2013-02-13 09:58:57 AM

TommyJReed: What is a "Hi-Y" club exactly?

FTA
After huddling with attorneys in closed session the board said the portrait belongs to the student group that put it up, the Hi-Y club. It says it will allow other student clubs to hang portraits appropriate to their organizations.


"Students for Responsible Porn Use" seen reviewing tasteful posters...

// "The Inverted-V Club"
// "Zimbabwean Cartography Club"
// (that one might be a bit esoteric - Google a song called "Map of Zimbabwe". SFW, I think)
 
2013-02-13 09:59:15 AM

mechgreg: Is it this picture?

[crossfitkyle.com image 239x300]

Because I don't think that Jesus should be around school children either.


Dammit! Your post wasn't there when I went looking for the pic.
 
2013-02-13 09:59:43 AM

factoryconnection: This was a news snippet and didn't satisfy.  I'm sure there is an article out there with a picture of the portrait and maybe more background info.  Off to teh Googles...




Oh, wait: TFA has a link to a more informative article.
 
2013-02-13 10:00:23 AM
You cannot restrict practice of religion seperation of church and stae is not the same as restricting religion. Look up "lemon test" at firstamendmentcenter.org. It is dumbed down enough that you should understand it.
 
2013-02-13 10:00:28 AM

mechgreg: Is it this picture?

[crossfitkyle.com image 239x300]

Because I don't think that Jesus should be around school children either.


www.southdacola.com
 
2013-02-13 10:00:39 AM

Galvatron Zero: As an atheist...

I really don't understand what the big deal is.  It's just a picture.  Seriously.  To some people, it's the son of god and makes them feel good.  To others... it's just a picture.

There's a church on my street!
I demand it gets torn down!
It offends my senses!

If a picture of Jesus offends you, you have other issues.

/overactive sense of self-entitlement being one...
9_9


Yep. Ban Jesus, and watch him become more powerful than you ever imagined. Hey, it works for books! And also it worked for the Romans.
 
2013-02-13 10:00:41 AM

Dr Dreidel: // "The Inverted-V Club"


Should be "Inverted-Triangle" and "Low-V" clubs.
 
2013-02-13 10:00:48 AM
Is it the one where he's farking the archaeopteryx? 'Cause, man, I  think that one's educational.
 
2013-02-13 10:01:21 AM

Galvatron Zero: As an atheist...

I really don't understand what the big deal is.  It's just a picture.  Seriously.  To some people, it's the son of god and makes them feel good.  To others... it's just a picture.

There's a church on my street!
I demand it gets torn down!
It offends my senses!

If a picture of Jesus offends you, you have other issues.

/overactive sense of self-entitlement being one...
9_9


This.
Plus its not like anything is "funded".  its a student group.  If it was bought, paid for, and managed by the school, and other clubs/organizations were prevented from hanging there's you have a problem.

/chill, all the unnecessary squealing does is fuel unjustified persecution complexes
 
2013-02-13 10:02:26 AM

Deep Contact: I didn't know they had camera's back then.


I didn't know they had apostrophes .
 
2013-02-13 10:02:54 AM
Being realistic, if they followed the Constitution, there would be 4 new school board members after the next election.
 
2013-02-13 10:03:40 AM

TommyJReed: What is a "Hi-Y" club exactly?


Hadn't heard of it before this, but apparently it's a branch of the YMCA that does clubs in high schools.
 
2013-02-13 10:04:41 AM

Feral_and_Preposterous: archaeopteryx


Is that a wingless flightless hairy bird?
 
2013-02-13 10:05:21 AM

Dr Dreidel: // "Zimbabwean Cartography Club"
// (that one might be a bit esoteric - Google a song called "Map of Zimbabwe". SFW, I think)


Are you looking for Amanda Palmer's <a href="http://music.amandapalmer.net/track/map-of-tasmania-feat-the-yo ung-pun x "> Map of Tasmania</a> song?
 
2013-02-13 10:05:34 AM
Maybe the school could find something less obvious than a portrait...
i290.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-13 10:06:20 AM
I say keep all things equal here.
Just put up a picture of Muhammad right nest to it.
Problem solved.
 
2013-02-13 10:06:30 AM
Just hang a picture of Muhammad next to it. I'm sure that will solve all of their problems.
 
2013-02-13 10:06:45 AM

Mija: You cannot restrict practice of religion seperation of church and stae is not the same as restricting religion. Look up "lemon test" at firstamendmentcenter.org. It is dumbed down enough that you should understand it.


I would consider doing so, but it's gonna take me at least 20 minutes to parse that first sentence of yours. That's all the free  time I have in a day.
 
2013-02-13 10:07:01 AM
Jesus continues to not give a fark. Though his dad thinks these people are getting pretty close to idol worship.
 
2013-02-13 10:07:18 AM

Carth: Just hang a picture of Muhammad next to it. I'm sure that will solve all of their problems.


You owe a beer.
 
2013-02-13 10:07:52 AM

Theaetetus: Someone doesn't know how government positions work.


Having spent the last 15 years around government agencies - you are right and wrong.

It really depends on the size of the district.  In many cases small districts have to hire private attorneys as needed or get help from the state Dept of Ed.  Usually these positions are long-standing agreements and are re-bid every year or every few years.

Larger districts do have attorneys.
 
2013-02-13 10:07:53 AM

Oldiron_79: The Courthouse in Cumberland co TN has a statue of the Flying Spaghetti Monster on its ground from where some ACLU troll tried sueing then they said they would gladly put up any statue that any religious group wanted to pay for.


I'm curious how long that would last should the Church of Satan decide to pay for one...
 
2013-02-13 10:08:01 AM

Galvatron Zero: As an atheist...

I really don't understand what the big deal is.  It's just a picture.  Seriously.  To some people, it's the son of god and makes them feel good.  To others... it's just a picture.

There's a church on my street!
I demand it gets torn down!
It offends my senses!

If a picture of Jesus offends you, you have other issues.

/overactive sense of self-entitlement being one...
9_9


Its not the picture of Jesus, its the tacit symbol of Christianity as the official religion of the school that is wrong, along with the idea that religion belongs in school in the first place.
 
2013-02-13 10:08:23 AM
Crucify them. Three nails to the Board. The pope won't mind. Neither will the kids.
 
2013-02-13 10:08:55 AM
Perhaps a more appropriate deity... One connected with wisdom and self-sacrifice for knowledge?

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-02-13 10:09:41 AM

vudukungfu: I say keep all things equal here.
Just put up a picture of Muhammad right nest to it.
Problem solved.


If we're going to get people killed, there are better places to cleanse the gene pool than OH.
 
2013-02-13 10:09:48 AM

Galvatron Zero: As an atheist...

I really don't understand what the big deal is.  It's just a picture.  Seriously.  To some people, it's the son of god and makes them feel good.  To others... it's just a picture.

There's a church on my street!
I demand it gets torn down!
It offends my senses!

If a picture of Jesus offends you, you have other issues.

/overactive sense of self-entitlement being one...
9_9


Wicked Chinchilla: This.
Plus its not like anything is "funded".  its a student group.  If it was bought, paid for, and managed by the school, and other clubs/organizations were prevented from hanging there's you have a problem.

/chill, all the unnecessary squealing does is fuel unjustified persecution complexes



Really guys?  There should be no religious imagery or influence at all, period, in any public school anywhere.  On the other hand X, church, mosque, or temple on x street has every right to be where it is.  People that don't see the different between public and private in their religious tolerance or outrage aren't thinking at a high enough level.
 
2013-02-13 10:09:49 AM

jonohull: Yeah, except it's the opposite of that.


They'll argue that there are no free speech rights in a public school in any other situation where they attempt to deny a student from wearing a t-shirt they don't like, scrubbing an article in the school newspaper, telling some kid that his hair dye is unacceptable, hair is too long, etc.
 
2013-02-13 10:09:57 AM
I guess these guys didn't hear how things ended for a school making nearly identical arguments in Cranston, Rhode Island.

/for anyone else who doesn't know, the school board lost the case as well as hundreds of thousands of dollars attempting to fight it.
 
2013-02-13 10:10:10 AM
Onward, Christian soldiers, marching as to war, with the cross of Jesus going on before. drkronner.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-02-13 10:10:30 AM

vudukungfu: Feral_and_Preposterous: archaeopteryx

Is that a wingless flightless hairy bird?


"A wingless bird with hairy feathers."
 
2013-02-13 10:11:39 AM
You know what's amazing?

When Christians keep their religion to themselves they get along great with others.

Instead, they are jamming it anywhere and everywhere they can and complaining when we; both the secular and the religious citizens that like the separation of church and state; ask them to follow the laws of the land.

I'm sorry, but trying to backdoor bypass the First Amendment just isn't going to fly in this country any longer.
 
2013-02-13 10:12:44 AM

Mija: You cannot restrict practice of religion seperation of church and stae is not the same as restricting religion.


 Encryption key, please.
 
2013-02-13 10:13:01 AM
The Courthouse in Cumberland co TN has a statue of the Flying Spaghetti Monster on its ground from where some ACLU troll tried sueing then they said they would gladly put up any statue that any religious group wanted to pay for.

That's seriously cool. I would totally show up in Pirate gear and hang Angel Hair Pasta on the statue to show my devotion. Throw grated cheese on passerby to bless them. Ritually slaughter jars of Ragu before the statue to please my God.....

/RA-men
 
2013-02-13 10:13:19 AM
Someone is eventually going to sue (didnt RTFA so excuse me if its been done) - the school district is going to lose badly but not before elevating it through several layers of the court system and spending $10's of thousands of dollars on lawyer fees.

The end result is they will likely cut a few staff positions or eliminate some programs to "pay" for this little adventure.   These results are basically foreordained - the end result is NOT a court order allowing you to keep that picture.  I can't believe there isnt at least ONE person involved who is willing to point out the blindingly obvious and (if pushed by the vocal supporters) be willing to say "I refuse to waste to the districts money on a fight we can not win"....
 
hej
2013-02-13 10:13:55 AM

vudukungfu: I say keep all things equal here.
Just put up a picture of Muhammad right nest to it.
Problem solved.


Enjoy your death threats from the muslim community.
 
2013-02-13 10:14:03 AM
Why not a portrait of this guy?  He's like a modern-day Jesus who has a cult following too, many of whom who hate gays (but mainly because they're mostly Christian)?

www.nobleuncas.org
 
2013-02-13 10:15:43 AM

GoldDude: Maybe the school could find something less obvious than a portrait...
[i290.photobucket.com image 389x745]


That's just wrong.  Nice thought, bad execution.
 
2013-02-13 10:16:04 AM

RedTank: Really guys? There should be no religious imagery or influence at all, period, in any public school anywhere. On the other hand X, church, mosque, or temple on x street has every right to be where it is.


You know, I'm not entirely sure about that. Religions exist. They drive many people, casting a major influence on their actions and decisions. Even those people for whom this isn't the case still interact, on an everyday basis, with people for whom it is. If teaching people how to understand each other is a major goal of public education -as many would say it is- then should teaching people about the various religions not be part of that?

People that don't see the different between public and private in their religious tolerance or outrage aren't thinking at a high enough level.

Ah, yes. Because the opposition doesn't think. Right.
 
2013-02-13 10:18:46 AM

Braindeath: Dr Dreidel: // "Zimbabwean Cartography Club"
// (that one might be a bit esoteric - Google a song called "Map of Zimbabwe". SFW, I think)

Are you looking for Amanda Palmer's <a href="http://music.amandapalmer.net/track/map-of-tasmania-feat-the-yo ung-pun x "> Map of Tasmania</a> song?


Holy fark. I thought I could make it through this morning without coffee.

Yes. Map of TASMANIA.
 
2013-02-13 10:19:01 AM
If I was the district's lawyer and had an ounce of sanity, I would resign and let these idiots defend themselves.
 
2013-02-13 10:19:26 AM

Fizpez: Someone is eventually going to sue (didnt RTFA so excuse me if its been done) - the school district is going to lose badly but not before elevating it through several layers of the court system and spending $10's of thousands of dollars on lawyer fees.

The end result is they will likely cut a few staff positions or eliminate some programs to "pay" for this little adventure.   These results are basically foreordained - the end result is NOT a court order allowing you to keep that picture.  I can't believe there isnt at least ONE person involved who is willing to point out the blindingly obvious and (if pushed by the vocal supporters) be willing to say "I refuse to waste to the districts money on a fight we can not win"....


I can.  The bubbles the online world allows you to construct are quite difficult.

If they know about Rhode Island, I think they might believe that they are very clever in this situation.
 
2013-02-13 10:19:51 AM
Put a picture of Martin Luther King next to it; stand back; watch brains melt.
 
2013-02-13 10:21:01 AM

Wicked Chinchilla: If it was bought, paid for, and managed by the school, and other clubs/organizations were prevented from hanging there's you have a problem.


You know how I know you aren't qualified to talk about what happens in a school?
 
2013-02-13 10:21:50 AM

vudukungfu: Feral_and_Preposterous: archaeopteryx

Is that a wingless flightless hairy bird?



I like to think of them as devil-monkey lizard-birds. At the end of their lives they would spend all their remaining energy burrowing down into the earth. They did this because they were the devil's familiars and the devil wanted them to cause confusion as to the true age of Earth / the date of creation. This is why Jesus liked farking them. When he farked them they turned into peacocks; this is why peacocks are beautiful. It is also why they make good guards against evil-doers. Jesus' magic spooge imbued a sense of good and evil and they cry out when evil is nigh.
 
2013-02-13 10:22:26 AM
didn;t read TFA but I suspect it's totally political. The board votes to keep it so the rubes are happy. the courts order taken down so they're the bad guys and provide cover for the board. simple really.
 
2013-02-13 10:22:44 AM

 It says it will allow other student clubs to hang portraits appropriate to their organizations.



There you have it, the first high school in Ohio with a full-fledged Porn Club.
 
2013-02-13 10:23:49 AM

Glancing Blow: Put a picture of Martin Luther King next to it; stand back; watch brains melt.


Off topic, but you reminded me of something hysterical on Jeff Ross's show last night (not a sentence you're going to see every day). He compared Oprah to MLK, but "the cracker that's going to kill her is covered in Cheez-Whiz."
 
2013-02-13 10:24:23 AM

RedTank: People that don't see the different between public and private in their religious tolerance or outrage aren't thinking at a high enough level.


They hit their heads trying to climb out of the cellar and just decided to stay down there with the rest of the potatoes.
 
2013-02-13 10:26:42 AM
Despite what Fox News will tell you, kids can pray in school, too. The teacher just can't lead it.
 
2013-02-13 10:27:51 AM

hej: vudukungfu: I say keep all things equal here.
Just put up a picture of Muhammad right nest to it.
Problem solved.

Enjoy your death threats from the muslim community.


That is why you only insult xtains and jews, they won't cut your head off or riot and burn shiat up.
 
2013-02-13 10:35:20 AM

Vodka Zombie: It's like they just don't get it.


Oh, they're soon gonna get it, all right.

 
2013-02-13 10:35:35 AM
Why would their lawyer be upset? He is about to make a lot of money.
 
2013-02-13 10:35:45 AM

Theaetetus: b8zlbubba: The district's lawyer is actually salivating about the hours he will get to bill on this one.

Someone doesn't know how government positions work.


Sounds like someone doesn't understand how school's work.  School's have to pay for their lawyers, they are not free or employed by the local government.  I know one of our local districts use a lawyer in the next town over.
 
2013-02-13 10:37:05 AM
Stray thought:
When do you figure God learned to speak English?
 
2013-02-13 10:40:28 AM
I've never seen a picture of Jesus hanging.  I'll have to check out the article.
 
2013-02-13 10:40:49 AM

TNel: Sounds like someone doesn't understand how school's work.


Sounds like someone doesn't understand their schoolwork.
 
2013-02-13 10:42:12 AM
And in future news, the Jackson County, Ohio school board will elect four new members in the upcoming election.
 
2013-02-13 10:42:26 AM

Stoker: Stray thought:
When do you figure God learned to speak English?


You're right, it was probably the sign below him that said:

www.christusrex.org
 
2013-02-13 10:45:16 AM
Southern Ohio?

*checks google maps for town's location*

Yup.
 
2013-02-13 10:48:41 AM

hej: vudukungfu: I say keep all things equal here.
Just put up a picture of Muhammad right nest to it.
Problem solved.

Enjoy your death threats from the muslim community.


[thatsthejoke.jpeg]
 
2013-02-13 10:48:49 AM

angrymacface: Oldiron_79: The Courthouse in Cumberland co TN has a statue of the Flying Spaghetti Monster on its ground from where some ACLU troll tried sueing then they said they would gladly put up any statue that any religious group wanted to pay for.

I'm curious how long that would last should the Church of Satan decide to pay for one...


I'm more curious about a statue of Allah, with or without the bomb-turban.
 
2013-02-13 10:50:57 AM

mark12A: The Courthouse in Cumberland co TN has a statue of the Flying Spaghetti Monster on its ground from where some ACLU troll tried sueing then they said they would gladly put up any statue that any religious group wanted to pay for.

That's seriously cool. I would totally show up in Pirate gear and hang Angel Hair Pasta on the statue to show my devotion. Throw grated cheese on passerby to bless them. Ritually slaughter jars of Ragu before the statue to please my God.....

/RA-men



You will certainly earn your key to the stripper-factory's testing facility when you reach the afterlife.
 
2013-02-13 10:51:06 AM

Theaetetus: After huddling with attorneys in closed session the board said the portrait belongs to the student group that put it up, the Hi-Y club. It says it will allow other student clubs to hang portraits appropriate to their organizations.

Okay, Kickstarter campaign to fund new student groups there and buy large oil portraits of:
[www.hf.uib.no image 170x255] [1.bp.blogspot.com image 257x300]
[4.bp.blogspot.com image 371x365][upload.wikimedia.org image 330x170]


I'm in.
 
2013-02-13 10:51:12 AM

Galvatron Zero: As an atheist...

I really don't understand what the big deal is.  It's just a picture.  Seriously.  To some people, it's the son of god and makes them feel good.  To others... it's just a picture.

There's a church on my street!
I demand it gets torn down!
It offends my senses!

If a picture of Jesus offends you, you have other issues.

/overactive sense of self-entitlement being one...
9_9


And if you don't see the greater issue at stake, then you have issues yourself.  See what happens if an Eastern Studies club forms up and wants to hang a portrait of Siva.
 
2013-02-13 10:52:29 AM

ChrisDe: Despite what Fox News will tell you, kids can pray in school, too. The teacher just can't lead it.


And then there is this.

As long as there are multiple choice tests, there will be prayers.
 
2013-02-13 10:53:50 AM

jonohull: saying it is protecting students' free speech rights.

Yeah, except it's the opposite of that.


How does having a picture up infringe on anyone's right to free speech?
 
2013-02-13 10:54:58 AM
I don't really see the problem with this as long as it was art created by a student 65 years ago.
 
2013-02-13 10:55:43 AM

Oldiron_79: fruitloop: Vodka Zombie: It's like they just don't get it.

Weird.

They totally get it.  The Christians get to have their picture of Jesus in the school because the kids wanted it.  Pictures of deities from other religions can be hung too, if there are enough students to form a club (which has to be approved by the school), and the club requests to have a picture (which has to be approved by the school) hung in the space.  How many students that don't practice Christianity attend the middle school in Jackson County, Ohio?  Checkmate.  Amen.

/going to make some popcorn

The Courthouse in Cumberland co TN has a statue of the Flying Spaghetti Monster on its ground from where some ACLU troll tried sueing then they said they would gladly put up any statue that any religious group wanted to pay for.


hah, I had not heard that.  cool

www.boingboing.net

\\Ramen
 
2013-02-13 10:55:56 AM

BitwiseShift: It says it will allow other student clubs to hang portraits appropriate to their organizations.

There you have it, the first high school in Ohio with a full-fledged Porn Club.


Now that you mention it, pasafarians missed the mark with using spaghetti as their religions symbol.  Imagine the calenders and posters I could have at work if they were religious symbols.  Someone should work on this, and don't be shortsighted and tie it to a specific person's boobs or vajayjay.
 
2013-02-13 10:55:59 AM
Awesome for them. Guts and glory.
 
2013-02-13 10:57:36 AM

give me doughnuts: mark12A: The Courthouse in Cumberland co TN has a statue of the Flying Spaghetti Monster on its ground from where some ACLU troll tried sueing then they said they would gladly put up any statue that any religious group wanted to pay for.

That's seriously cool. I would totally show up in Pirate gear and hang Angel Hair Pasta on the statue to show my devotion. Throw grated cheese on passerby to bless them. Ritually slaughter jars of Ragu before the statue to please my God.....

/RA-men


You will certainly earn your key to the stripper-factory's testing facility when you reach the afterlife.


Oh, maybe wish granted.  I'll need to look into this....   After IT scans my computer this afternoon.  :o
 
2013-02-13 10:57:41 AM

GoldDude: Maybe the school could find something less obvious than a portrait...
[i290.photobucket.com image 389x745]


That is sweet!  Every time you turn on the light, you are also turning on Jesus.
 
2013-02-13 11:02:25 AM

Theaetetus: b8zlbubba: The district's lawyer is actually salivating about the hours he will get to bill on this one.

Someone doesn't know how government positions work.


Umm...that would be you.  The school board doesn't have its own lawyer.  They have to contract out for that.  I say that with a fair amount of knowledge, as I am an Ohio lawyer who has also held a local political office in the past.
 
2013-02-13 11:03:00 AM

SuperChuck: jonohull: saying it is protecting students' free speech rights.

Yeah, except it's the opposite of that.

How does having a picture up infringe on anyone's right to free speech?


No, it's if they ban them putting it up.  That's the supposed infringement.

Google the case about the student with the Jesus love Pot sign or t-shirt.  It was something like that.

Schools, for good or ill, have been allowed for a long time to restrict a student's free speech in the name of order and authority.

//Not particularly keen on restricting a student's rights in such a way...
 
2013-02-13 11:04:21 AM

Stoker: Stray thought:
When do you figure God learned to speak English?


God taught us English, so it would have to be a few billion years ago.
 
2013-02-13 11:04:29 AM

coeyagi: Why not a portrait of this guy? He's like a modern-day Jesus who has a cult following too, many of whom who hate gays (but mainly because they're mostly Christian)?


Christ didn't hate gays, so if they do, they aren't following Christ's example.
 
2013-02-13 11:08:14 AM
Who. Really. Gives. A. shiat.

/You really don't, and you know it.
//STFU and, well, STFU.
//Offended people are offensive
 
2013-02-13 11:08:42 AM

The Irresponsible Captain: Perhaps a more appropriate deity... One connected with wisdom and self-sacrifice for knowledge?

[upload.wikimedia.org image 220x323]


Is that Gandalf the Grey?
 
2013-02-13 11:09:52 AM
Egads, imagine that. A country founded by Christians wants to keep a Christian symbol up in a public place.

There are so many more important things to internet-rage about, ffs who gives a sh*t...
 
2013-02-13 11:14:19 AM
They don't want to be the next Newtown?
 
2013-02-13 11:18:30 AM

Kurmudgeon: coeyagi: Why not a portrait of this guy? He's like a modern-day Jesus who has a cult following too, many of whom who hate gays (but mainly because they're mostly Christian)?

Christ didn't hate gays, so if they do, they aren't following Christ's example.


I never said Christ hated gays.  Just a lot of Christians.  Especially those in Scouts (many of which are evangelical or LDS).
 
2013-02-13 11:18:30 AM

fruitloop: Vodka Zombie: It's like they just don't get it.

Weird.

They totally get it.  The Christians get to have their picture of Jesus in the school because the kids wanted it.  Pictures of deities from other religions can be hung too, if there are enough students to form a club (which has to be approved by the school), and the club requests to have a picture (which has to be approved by the school) hung in the space.  How many students that don't practice Christianity attend the middle school in Jackson County, Ohio?  Checkmate.  Amen.

/going to make some popcorn


Favorited!
 
2013-02-13 11:18:54 AM

TommyJReed: After huddling with attorneys in closed session the board said the portrait belongs to the student group that put it up, the Hi-Y club. It says it will allow other student clubs to hang portraits appropriate to their organizations.


I hope there are some creative kids in this school with a bit of free time.
 
2013-02-13 11:19:12 AM

The Irresponsible Captain: Perhaps a more appropriate deity... One connected with wisdom and self-sacrifice for knowledge?

[upload.wikimedia.org image 220x323]


Fun fact: also the god of having having raven poop on your shoulder.

/No claim of actual factuality is made.
 
2013-02-13 11:27:39 AM

Target Builder: TommyJReed: After huddling with attorneys in closed session the board said the portrait belongs to the student group that put it up, the Hi-Y club. It says it will allow other student clubs to hang portraits appropriate to their organizations.

I hope there are some creative kids in this school with a bit of free time.


This is true out-in-BFE country... the creative kids tend to get 'lost' during deer gun season.

/blaze orange is so last year
//Wiki page for Jackson features 2 pics of the town's water tower, lol
 
2013-02-13 11:28:18 AM

coeyagi: Kurmudgeon: coeyagi: Why not a portrait of this guy? He's like a modern-day Jesus who has a cult following too, many of whom who hate gays (but mainly because they're mostly Christian)?

Christ didn't hate gays, so if they do, they aren't following Christ's example.

I never said Christ hated gays.  Just a lot of Christians.  Especially those in Scouts (many of which are evangelical or LDS).


Really? Do you have any stats on that?
 
2013-02-13 11:30:06 AM
i.imgur.com

Checkmate, atheists.
 
2013-02-13 11:31:12 AM

Bender The Offender: The Irresponsible Captain: Perhaps a more appropriate deity... One connected with wisdom and self-sacrifice for knowledge?

[upload.wikimedia.org image 220x323]

Is that Gandalf the Grey?


Odin, whom I pretty sure was inspiration for Gandalf.
 
2013-02-13 11:31:44 AM

Theaetetus: TNel: Sounds like someone doesn't understand how school's work.

Sounds like someone doesn't understand their schoolwork.


awww you are proved wrong so the rebuttal is being a grammar nazi.  How quant, no "sorry I was completely talking out of my ass".
 
2013-02-13 11:33:25 AM

Theaetetus: After huddling with attorneys in closed session the board said the portrait belongs to the student group that put it up, the Hi-Y club. It says it will allow other student clubs to hang portraits appropriate to their organizations.

Okay, Kickstarter campaign to fund new student groups there and buy large oil portraits of:
[www.hf.uib.no image 170x255] [1.bp.blogspot.com image 257x300]
[4.bp.blogspot.com image 371x365][upload.wikimedia.org image 330x170]


That demon from Legend has always been my favorite depiction of a "devil". I mean look at the horns on that guy!
 
2013-02-13 11:40:55 AM
You just have to love school districts run by morons.
 
2013-02-13 11:40:58 AM

TNel: Theaetetus: TNel: Sounds like someone doesn't understand how school's work.

Sounds like someone doesn't understand their schoolwork.

awww you are proved wrong so the rebuttal is being a grammar nazi.  How quant, no "sorry I was completely talking out of my ass".


Oh, sorry, I was talking out of my ass. Also, it's "quaint", dumbass.
 
2013-02-13 11:44:23 AM

TNel: Theaetetus: TNel: Sounds like someone doesn't understand how school's work.

Sounds like someone doesn't understand their schoolwork.

awww you are proved wrong so the rebuttal is being a grammar nazi.  How quant, no "sorry I was completely talking out of my ass".

 
2013-02-13 11:52:51 AM

Vodka Zombie: It's like they just don't get it.


They're copacetic?

/Hey, you get it in my head, I get it in yours.
 
2013-02-13 11:53:10 AM

Galvatron Zero: As an atheist...

I really don't understand what the big deal is.  It's just a picture.  Seriously.  To some people, it's the son of god and makes them feel good.  To others... it's just a picture.

There's a church on my street!
I demand it gets torn down!
It offends my senses!

If a picture of Jesus offends you, you have other issues.

/overactive sense of self-entitlement being one...
9_9


Portraits of people that preached selflessness and compassion for others MAKE ME SO ANGRY!
 
2013-02-13 11:56:30 AM
I think it's kind of morbid that they hanged Jesus in the school and took a picture.
 
rpm
2013-02-13 12:02:11 PM
Another school already had the identical picture and had to have it taken down. These guys are flying in the face of precedent and are going to get their asses handed to them in court.
 
2013-02-13 12:03:46 PM

Theaetetus: TNel: Theaetetus: TNel: Sounds like someone doesn't understand how school's work.

Sounds like someone doesn't understand their schoolwork.

awww you are proved wrong so the rebuttal is being a grammar nazi.  How quant, no "sorry I was completely talking out of my ass".

Oh, sorry, I was talking out of my ass. Also, it's "quaint", dumbass.


I know.
 
2013-02-13 12:09:03 PM
Even though this event is just empty posturing by some school officials who want to prove how Christian they are by ignoring the First Amendment and then going to court over it, it sets yet another bad example of how public education can be so easily sidetracked by interests (in this case, religious fundamentalists) that should not have this much influence over an institution that's intended to prepare kids for the real world. That's why we're still having groups challenge the teaching of evolution in schools, even though all the groups in question have to offer is loads of money to keep causing trouble.

The public high school I graduated from now has the ten commandments hanging in the lobby, supposedly put up a religious student group, and the town is so overrun with religious fundies that no one is brave enough to challenge it. If this is how the First Amendment is supposed to work, then it's not working at all.
 
2013-02-13 12:11:38 PM

Professor Duck: Portraits of people that preached selflessness and compassion for others MAKE ME SO ANGRY!


Most likely inaccurate portraits of someone who (apparently - I wasn't there) preached selflessness and compassion whose teachings are now used to justify condemning some people as less human than the rest of us, encouraging the spread of AIDS in Africa, and handing me pamphlets does get under my skin a little, yeah.

/The last might not be the same scale of evil as the other two.
 
2013-02-13 12:13:44 PM

sure haven't: Egads, imagine that. A country founded by Christians wants to keep a Christian symbol up in a public place.

There are so many more important things to internet-rage about, ffs who gives a sh*t...




Satan?
 
2013-02-13 12:19:45 PM

The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: I think it's kind of morbid that they hanged Jesus in the school and took a picture.


Heehee
 
2013-02-13 12:21:21 PM

TNel: Theaetetus: TNel: Sounds like someone doesn't understand how school's work.

Sounds like someone doesn't understand their schoolwork.

awww you are proved wrong so the rebuttal is being a grammar nazi.  How quant, no "sorry I was completely talking out of my ass".




Awww, you are proved wrong, so the your rebuttal is to being a grammar nazi? How quaint*. No "Sorry, I was completely talking out of my ass".?

* I'm assuming that was the word you were looking for?
/Easter egg in there for you people who want to fire back.
//Let's rock 'n roll!
 
2013-02-13 12:21:48 PM

Jaws75: The public high school I graduated from now has the ten commandments hanging in the lobby, supposedly put up a religious student group, and the town is so overrun with religious fundies that no one is brave enough to challenge it. If this is how the First Amendment is supposed to work, then it's not working at all.


It's sad, but the law is the law independent of asshats who choose to flout it. It's more sad that a concerned citizen doesn't have standing to sue to have it removed; it's gotta be the parent of a kid in the district (or just in the school?).
 
2013-02-13 12:22:49 PM
Beat his head???
He's shopping for his new Porsche
 
2013-02-13 12:24:36 PM

meat0918: You know what's amazing?

When Christians keep their religion to themselves they get along great with others.

Instead, they are jamming it anywhere and everywhere they can and complaining when we; both the secular and the religious citizens that like the separation of church and state; ask them to follow the laws of the land.

I'm sorry, but trying to backdoor bypass the First Amendment just isn't going to fly in this country any longer.


So in your book, a static portrait of Jesus on a school wall is "jamming" religion "anywhere and everywhere?"  And since you brought up the First Amendment:


Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
 Liberals are quick to point the prohibitoin of government establishing a relion but couldn't give a fark about the right to the free exercise of religion and right to free speech.  It's one thing is the school is promoting religion, but if a group of students wants to hang a simple portrait of some dude who goes by the name of Jesus and the school is willing to allow other students to express their religion then by all means ....GET....OVER.....YOURSELVES....YOU.....INTOLLERANT.....ATHIESTS.
 
2013-02-13 12:30:33 PM
And the next item on the list "Budget Cuts".
 
2013-02-13 12:31:46 PM

I May Be Crazy But...: Professor Duck: Portraits of people that preached selflessness and compassion for others MAKE ME SO ANGRY!

Most likely inaccurate portraits of someone who (apparently - I wasn't there) preached selflessness and compassion whose teachings are now used to justify condemning some people as less human than the rest of us, encouraging the spread of AIDS in Africa, and handing me pamphlets does get under my skin a little, yeah.

/The last might not be the same scale of evil as the other two.


Then be pissed with the people that misinterpret his teachings, not with the man himself.
 
2013-02-13 12:35:41 PM
Conservatives are quick to point the prohibition of government establishing a religion but couldn't give a fark about the right to the free exercise of religion and right to free speech.  It's one thing is the school is promoting religion, but if a group of students wants to hang a simple portrait of some dude who goes by the name of Muhammadand the school is willing to allow other students to express their religion then by all means ....

GET....OVER.....YOURSELVES....YOU..... INTOLERANT.....CHRISTIANS.

p.s.  Why can't conservative blowhards spell?
 
2013-02-13 12:36:20 PM

freeforever: meat0918: You know what's amazing?

When Christians keep their religion to themselves they get along great with others.

Instead, they are jamming it anywhere and everywhere they can and complaining when we; both the secular and the religious citizens that like the separation of church and state; ask them to follow the laws of the land.

I'm sorry, but trying to backdoor bypass the First Amendment just isn't going to fly in this country any longer.

So in your book, a static portrait of Jesus on a school wall is "jamming" religion "anywhere and everywhere?"  And since you brought up the First Amendment:


Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. Liberals are quick to point the prohibitoin of government establishing a relion but couldn't give a fark about the right to the free exercise of religion and right to free speech.  It's one thing is the school is promoting religion, but if a group of students wants to hang a simple portrait of some dude who goes by the name of Jesus and the school is willing to allow other students to express their religion then by all means ....GET....OVER.....YOURSELVES....YOU.....INTOLLERANT.....ATHIESTS.


You religion says nothing about hanging a false idol in a public school, so you can un-bold that part. As for free speech, that's a possibility, but only as long as they're serious about anybody who wants to being able to put up a picture of their god.
 
2013-02-13 12:37:29 PM

Stoker: Stray thought:
When do you figure God learned to speak English?


http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+11&version=NIV
 
2013-02-13 12:37:44 PM

freeforever: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion


You missed the key phrase. "Establishments" are not simply "buildings", it's the trappings of religion. If the state promotes one religion over others, they run afoul of First Amendment protections. Period. (Read up on the Lemon test.)

If schools were agnostic, you'd never hear about this shiat either AND Christians would still be as free to worship as they were when the picture hung. Freedom!
 
2013-02-13 12:38:20 PM

Professor Duck: I May Be Crazy But...: Professor Duck: Portraits of people that preached selflessness and compassion for others MAKE ME SO ANGRY!

Most likely inaccurate portraits of someone who (apparently - I wasn't there) preached selflessness and compassion whose teachings are now used to justify condemning some people as less human than the rest of us, encouraging the spread of AIDS in Africa, and handing me pamphlets does get under my skin a little, yeah.

/The last might not be the same scale of evil as the other two.

Then be pissed with the people that misinterpret his teachings, not with the man himself.


It ain't their own picture they point at when they're telling me about why I'm going to hell. I have no problem with Jesus - I have a problem with him being plastered over every damn thing.
 
2013-02-13 12:39:41 PM
i.imgur.com

Pity the Christians, they just don't get it...
 
2013-02-13 12:40:33 PM

Galvatron Zero: As an atheist...

I really don't understand what the big deal is.  It's just a picture.  Seriously.  To some people, it's the son of god and makes them feel good.  To others... it's just a picture.

There's a church on my street!
I demand it gets torn down!
It offends my senses!

If a picture of Jesus offends you, you have other issues.

/overactive sense of self-entitlement being one...
9_9


If someone defaced the portrait of Jesus I'm sure no one would claim that christians were being persecuted.  It's just a picture after all.
 
2013-02-13 12:44:26 PM

The Bruce Dickinson: Conservatives are quick to point the prohibition of government establishing a religion but couldn't give a fark about the right to the free exercise of religion and right to free speech.  It's one thing is the school is promoting religion, but if a group of students wants to hang a simple portrait of some dude who goes by the name of Muhammadand the school is willing to allow other students to express their religion then by all means ....


Classic straw man.  No one in this thread is arguing against a portrait of Mohammed.  If students want to hang his portrait then they should have the right.
 
2013-02-13 12:48:09 PM

Dr Dreidel: freeforever: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion

You missed the key phrase. "Establishments" are not simply "buildings", it's the trappings of religion. If the state promotes one religion over others, they run afoul of First Amendment protections. Period. (Read up on the Lemon test.)


You need to read the article again.  The school is allowing students from multiple clubs to hang portraits of their chosing.  How is that the state promoting one religion over the other when they're allowing everyone to get in on the action?
 
2013-02-13 12:50:06 PM

freeforever: No one in this thread is arguing against a portrait of Mohammed.  If students want to hang his portrait then they should have the right.


If the portrait was of Muhammed, this thread would be on fire!

You're full of holy excrement and you know it!

Charles Manson would look good hanging there...very inspirational I would think...or maybe Stalin.
 
2013-02-13 12:54:21 PM

freeforever: No one in this thread is arguing against a portrait of Mohammed. If students want to hang his portrait then they should have the right.


It is a school.  They should be focused on educating the children about the real and not the mythological, unless Myths and Legends is part of that semester's syllabus.
 
2013-02-13 12:54:22 PM
The irony of the Flying Spaghetti Monster is that in another few hundred years, people are going to be fighting for their right to worship it, and it will be considered a real religion, taken literally and seriously, without even the tiniest hint of atheism left to it. There will be wars fought in His Noodly Name, and people will argue against pirate movies in schools. The Olive Garden will become a chain of churches.

Hordes of believers will persecute and kill non-believers in the triple-holy wars. Islamists will argue that the FSM is an abomination, and they will bomb Italian restaurants. Christians will say that God made man in His image, and since we don't look like spaghetti the FSM is obviously a false idol.

And in the end, the Church of Wile E. Coyote will destroy the world with an accidental atomic suicide bombing of the Olive Garden Institute (home of the His Holiness the Chef of Boyardee) in Florence, Italy.
 
2013-02-13 12:56:00 PM

The Bruce Dickinson: Conservatives are quick to point the prohibition of government establishing a religion but couldn't give a fark about the right to the free exercise of religion and right to free speech.  It's one thing is the school is promoting religion, but if a group of students wants to hang a simple portrait of some dude who goes by the name of Muhammadand the school is willing to allow other students to express their religion then by all means ....

GET....OVER.....YOURSELVES....YOU..... INTOLERANT.....CHRISTIANS.

p.s.  Why can't conservative blowhards spell?


Because they can't imagine anything they do could possibly be wrong.  It's why they're smug when presented with facts that clearly prove them wrong. I think it might have to do with only ever reading (or pretending to read)  one book and being told everything in it is correct and by attending church they're  automatically Christian and Christianity is always right, therefore they're always right. AND GOD SAYETH "INTOLERANT" SHALL NOW BE SPELLETH "INTOLLERANT" BECAUSE THE LIBERAL SPELLING DEVILS TAKETH A "TOLL" ON YOUR SOUL.PRAISE BE TO GAWWWD AMEN.
 
2013-02-13 12:56:56 PM

Galvatron Zero: As an atheist...

I really don't understand what the big deal is.  It's just a picture.  Seriously.  To some people, it's the son of god and makes them feel good.  To others... it's just a picture.

There's a church on my street!
I demand it gets torn down!
It offends my senses!

If a picture of Jesus offends you, you have other issues.

/overactive sense of self-entitlement being one...
9_9


Let's take a group of children, force them into one building every day, and then put up an image of one religion.

Yeah. I don't see how that sends a message about who's supported and who isn't at  aaaalll.

/In America, we do not let the government imply support for any one religion. There is a reason for that. And it ain't entitlement.
 
2013-02-13 01:00:45 PM

The Bruce Dickinson: freeforever: No one in this thread is arguing against a portrait of Mohammed.  If students want to hang his portrait then they should have the right.

If the portrait was of Muhammed, this thread would be on fire!

You're full of holy excrement and you know it!

Charles Manson would look good hanging there...very inspirational I would think...or maybe Stalin.


That's pure conjecture; an assumption based on something that hasn't happened.  But I am happy you liken a potrait of Jesus to one of the greatest mass-murderers of the 20th century.  Puts things in perspective.
 
2013-02-13 01:05:14 PM
hey guys did i miss the daily christian bashing thread?

tie squadron checking in
 
2013-02-13 01:05:58 PM
Let's take a group of children, force them into one building every day, and then put up an image of one religion.

Yeah. I don't see how that sends a message about who's supported and who isn't at  aaaalll.

/In America, we do not let the government imply support for any one religion. There is a reason for that. And it ain't entitlement.


Has anyone read the article?  It's the students who decided to put up the portrait; not the school. And the school was fine with this because they would also allow students from other religions or non-religions to do the same.
This is not indoctrination or the force-feeding of religion any more than Halloween decorations force students into practicing witchcraft.
 
2013-02-13 01:07:29 PM

freeforever: Dr Dreidel: freeforever: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion

You missed the key phrase. "Establishments" are not simply "buildings", it's the trappings of religion. If the state promotes one religion over others, they run afoul of First Amendment protections. Period. (Read up on the Lemon test.)

You need to read the article again.  The school is allowing students from multiple clubs to hang portraits of their chosing.  How is that the state promoting one religion over the other when they're allowing everyone to get in on the action?


The article blurb says the High-Y Club owns the picture. The school is under no obligation to hang it on their grounds - student club-owned or not - and I would expect that a school administrator know the tiniest bit about the Establishment Clause. Enough to know that you fig-leaf the Jesus pic with an FSM index card hanging in a disused office at the bottom of a dilapidated stairwell to nowhere (under the "Beware of Leopard" sign").

Also, the blurb doesn't mention whether other student groups could get approval ("Well, we'd like to have an atheist student union, Timmy, but it seems you didn't get the approval of 10 teachers. No picture for you, better luck next year!") or whether anyone else tried. IIRC, the picture's been hanging there for 65 years. You're telling me throughout that time no other student group was formed or requested to have a picture hung?

Actually, it doesn't matter - schools shouldn't be showing preference to one religion. The High-Y club can hang the picture on a wall it owns.
 
2013-02-13 01:10:08 PM

freeforever: The Bruce Dickinson: freeforever: No one in this thread is arguing against a portrait of Mohammed.  If students want to hang his portrait then they should have the right.

If the portrait was of Muhammed, this thread would be on fire!

You're full of holy excrement and you know it!

Charles Manson would look good hanging there...very inspirational I would think...or maybe Stalin.

That's pure conjecture; an assumption based on something that hasn't happened.  But I am happy you liken a potrait of Jesus to one of the greatest mass-murderers of the 20th century.  Puts things in perspective.




Perspective? Oh, like how the number of people killed in Manson's name is motherfarking dwarfed by the number of people killed in Jesus' name?

No: I'm not saying that's Jesus fault or intent. Jesus was the best of people. What people justify in his name is the farking tragedy. You think he'd wanthis picture on a school wall? I REALLY doubt it.
 
2013-02-13 01:10:51 PM

freeforever: Let's take a group of children, force them into one building every day, and then put up an image of one religion.

Yeah. I don't see how that sends a message about who's supported and who isn't at  aaaalll.

/In America, we do not let the government imply support for any one religion. There is a reason for that. And it ain't entitlement.

Has anyone read the article?  It's the students who decided to put up the portrait; not the school. And the school was fine with this because they would also allow students from other religions or non-religions to do the same.
This is not indoctrination or the force-feeding of religion any more than Halloween decorations force students into practicing witchcraft.


Yeah, we know it was the students. Which makes it harder for a student who's bothered to complain. There's a pretty good chance that they're already surrounded by people telling them about how Christ is the only way to be happy, Christ is the only way not to suffer for eternity, Christ is the only way to not disappoint your grandmother.

And, for that matter, it may not be obvious to that it's the work of a club instead of the administration.

It's a school - tell all the clubs to get their shiat off the walls and get back to work.
 
2013-02-13 01:12:00 PM

freeforever: But I am happy you liken a potrait of Jesus to one of the greatest mass-murderers of the 20th century.  Puts things in perspective.



"Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword."

Matthew 10:34

True Dat!

Christians are #1 in mass murders over time, well OK, 2nd only to God in the OT...

Don't make me post DETAILS and FACTS...your head may explode...
 
2013-02-13 01:15:18 PM

Dr Dreidel: freeforever: Dr Dreidel: freeforever: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion

You missed the key phrase. "Establishments" are not simply "buildings", it's the trappings of religion. If the state promotes one religion over others, they run afoul of First Amendment protections. Period. (Read up on the Lemon test.)

You need to read the article again.  The school is allowing students from multiple clubs to hang portraits of their chosing.  How is that the state promoting one religion over the other when they're allowing everyone to get in on the action?

The article blurb says the High-Y Club owns the picture. The school is under no obligation to hang it on their grounds - student club-owned or not - and I would expect that a school administrator know the tiniest bit about the Establishment Clause. Enough to know that you fig-leaf the Jesus pic with an FSM index card hanging in a disused office at the bottom of a dilapidated stairwell to nowhere (under the "Beware of Leopard" sign").

Also, the blurb doesn't mention whether other student groups could get approval ("Well, we'd like to have an atheist student union, Timmy, but it seems you didn't get the approval of 10 teachers. No picture for you, better luck next year!") or whether anyone else tried. IIRC, the picture's been hanging there for 65 years. You're telling me throughout that time no other student group was formed or requested to have a picture hung?

Actually, it doesn't matter - schools shouldn't be showing preference to one religion. The High-Y club can hang the picture on a wall it owns.


Your entire argument is an unsubstantiated conspiracy that the school actively opposes other religions.The board says it will allow "other student clubs to hang portraits appropriate to their organizations."
 
2013-02-13 01:20:29 PM

The Bruce Dickinson: freeforever: But I am happy you liken a potrait of Jesus to one of the greatest mass-murderers of the 20th century.  Puts things in perspective.

Christians are #1 in mass murders over time, well OK, 2nd only to God in the OT...

Don't make me post DETAILS and FACTS...your head may explode...


The collective victims of Mao Zedong's Great Leap Forward, Stalin's Purges and Pol Pot's Khmer Rouge would disagree with you.   But still, I am amused how you liken a portrait of Jesus to one of the greatest mass-murderers of the 20th century.
 
2013-02-13 01:23:53 PM

freeforever: Dr Dreidel: freeforever: Dr Dreidel: freeforever: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion

You missed the key phrase. "Establishments" are not simply "buildings", it's the trappings of religion. If the state promotes one religion over others, they run afoul of First Amendment protections. Period. (Read up on the Lemon test.)

You need to read the article again.  The school is allowing students from multiple clubs to hang portraits of their chosing.  How is that the state promoting one religion over the other when they're allowing everyone to get in on the action?

The article blurb says the High-Y Club owns the picture. The school is under no obligation to hang it on their grounds - student club-owned or not - and I would expect that a school administrator know the tiniest bit about the Establishment Clause. Enough to know that you fig-leaf the Jesus pic with an FSM index card hanging in a disused office at the bottom of a dilapidated stairwell to nowhere (under the "Beware of Leopard" sign").

Also, the blurb doesn't mention whether other student groups could get approval ("Well, we'd like to have an atheist student union, Timmy, but it seems you didn't get the approval of 10 teachers. No picture for you, better luck next year!") or whether anyone else tried. IIRC, the picture's been hanging there for 65 years. You're telling me throughout that time no other student group was formed or requested to have a picture hung?

Actually, it doesn't matter - schools shouldn't be showing preference to one religion. The High-Y club can hang the picture on a wall it owns.

Your entire argument is an unsubstantiated conspiracy that the school actively opposes other religions.The board says it will allow "other student clubs to hang portraits appropriate to their organizations."


But it'll have to be an official club. Couldn't have the goth kids hanging a pic of a vampire, right? Those two kids w ho killed the feral cat behind the bleachers with

the javelin can't put up a pic of Satan, can they?
 
2013-02-13 01:25:21 PM
WTH is wrong with the comments thing?I keep saying it, but this thing  sucks.
 
2013-02-13 01:26:51 PM

freeforever: Your entire argument is an unsubstantiated conspiracy that the school actively opposes other religions.The board says it will allow "other student clubs to hang portraits appropriate to their organizations."


My entire argument was - speculation aside - "schools shouldn't be showing preference to one religion. The High-Y club can hang the picture on a wall it owns." You should already know this because I said "it doesn't matter" after laying out the speculation.

If the school really wants to keep that picture, hang one of Vishnu, Buddha, nothing, the FSM, Mohammed (or the "There is no god but Allah"-script), Hammurabi, whoever wrote the Magna Carta, Dag Hammarskjold, Harry Krishna, Sun Myung Moon, or any one of fifty other deities/legal-type figures right next to it. The school standing on some weird principle when two such easy remedies are on the table (get rid of the picture or add a new one) is what leads me to believe that perhaps their dogmatic attachment to only their own religious expression is what's guiding the argument here.
 
2013-02-13 01:29:04 PM

freeforever: The Bruce Dickinson: freeforever: But I am happy you liken a potrait of Jesus to one of the greatest mass-murderers of the 20th century.  Puts things in perspective.

Christians are #1 in mass murders over time, well OK, 2nd only to God in the OT...

Don't make me post DETAILS and FACTS...your head may explode...

The collective victims of Mao Zedong's Great Leap Forward, Stalin's Purges and Pol Pot's Khmer Rouge would disagree with you.   But still, I am amused how you liken a portrait of Jesus to one of the greatest mass-murderers of the 20th century.


ksumail.kennesaw.edu
 
2013-02-13 01:31:07 PM

freeforever: The collective victims of Mao Zedong's Great Leap Forward, Stalin's Purges and Pol Pot's Khmer Rouge would disagree with you.   But still, I am amused how you liken a portrait of Jesus to one of the greatest mass-murderers of the 20th century.


Your familiarity with history is comparable to your grasp of the Bill of Rights...

The Indians of North and South America left dead in the wake of the Christian invasion number 150,000,000 alone, 20,000,000 more than your hero's listed above...

To be clear, Jesus was not real, but if he were, he'd be a douche in my book...much like you...
 
2013-02-13 01:31:57 PM
But it'll have to be an official club. Couldn't have the goth kids hanging a pic of a vampire, right? Those two kids w ho killed the feral cat behind the bleacher ...

Why not?  Again, all I'm doing is defending the reasonable decision by a school board to allow a student group to hang a friggin Jesus portrait because they said they would allow inclusion from other groups...a position most recently endorsed by the Supreme Court so long as it isn't one religion being protected or represented.  I don't personally care about Muhammed.    I don't care about the Star of David. I don't care about Stalin.  I don't care about vampires.  And I don't care about Jesus!  I'm not Christian even though everyone here assumes so because I defend them.  When students try to put those portraits up and get rejected then you'll have an argument.
 
2013-02-13 01:32:11 PM

Dr Dreidel: If the school really wants to keep that picture, hang one of Vishnu, Buddha, nothing, the FSM, Mohammed (or the "There is no god but Allah"-script), Hammurabi, whoever wrote the Magna Carta, Dag Hammarskjold, Harry Krishna, Sun Myung Moon, or any one of fifty other deities/legal-type figures right next to it. The school standing on some weird principle when two such easy remedies are on the table (get rid of the picture or add a new one) is what leads me to believe that perhaps their dogmatic attachment to only their own religious expression is what's guiding the argument here.


teach the controversy lolz

clearly the only logical and rational decision is to keep a picture of nothing up, er oh you already said that, yep
 
2013-02-13 01:34:48 PM

The Bruce Dickinson: freeforever: The collective victims of Mao Zedong's Great Leap Forward, Stalin's Purges and Pol Pot's Khmer Rouge would disagree with you.   But still, I am amused how you liken a portrait of Jesus to one of the greatest mass-murderers of the 20th century.

Your familiarity with history is comparable to your grasp of the Bill of Rights...

The Indians of North and South America left dead in the wake of the Christian invasion number 150,000,000 alone, 20,000,000 more than your hero's listed above...

To be clear, Jesus was not real, but if he were, he'd be a douche in my book...much like you...


THIS^

lolz christians are so dumb, did you actually expect an intelligent response from them?
 
2013-02-13 01:39:19 PM

Oldiron_79: fruitloop: Vodka Zombie: It's like they just don't get it.

Weird.

They totally get it.  The Christians get to have their picture of Jesus in the school because the kids wanted it.  Pictures of deities from other religions can be hung too, if there are enough students to form a club (which has to be approved by the school), and the club requests to have a picture (which has to be approved by the school) hung in the space.  How many students that don't practice Christianity attend the middle school in Jackson County, Ohio?  Checkmate.  Amen.

/going to make some popcorn

The Courthouse in Cumberland co TN has a statue of the Flying Spaghetti Monster on its ground from where some ACLU troll tried sueing then they said they would gladly put up any statue that any religious group wanted to pay for.


That's funny, but it's still wrong.  The First Amendment doesn't guarantee equal treatment of all religions; it forbids laws promoting any religions.
 
2013-02-13 01:45:26 PM
 

The Bruce Dickinson: freeforever: The collective victims of Mao Zedong's Great Leap Forward, Stalin's Purges and Pol Pot's Khmer Rouge would disagree with you.   But still, I am amused how you liken a portrait of Jesus to one of the greatest mass-murderers of the 20th century.

Your familiarity with history is comparable to your grasp of the Bill of Rights...

The Indians of North and South America left dead in the wake of the Christian invasion number 150,000,000 alone, 20,000,000 more than your hero's listed above...

To be clear, Jesus was not real, but if he were, he'd be a douche in my book...much like you...



My hero's (sic) listed above amount to three.  That they're only 20,000,000 behind the countless Christians you count that were part of the Indian massacres proves my point more than it does yours.  Religious people make up, what, 90% of our world's population since the beginning of time?  Of course more crimes should have been committed by them, however proportionately godless Communists have proven bloodiest.
 
2013-02-13 01:55:06 PM

The Bruce Dickinson: To be clear, Jesus was not real, but if he were, he'd be a douche in my book...much like you...


Yes, I'm a douche because I think student groups should be allowed to freely practice their religion and free speech by hanging a portrait of their choosing regardless of religion or affiliation.  Even in teh school!  I'm such a horrible person.  How am I not locked up in prison by now?

But I digest.

If Jesus is also a douche in your book I'm in pretty good company.

///And with that I'm out.  It was fun but now I have to justify my paycheck today which isn't happening entertaining the godless atheists of FARK who get all worked up over things like portraits in schools.   What a portrait of Jesus?!??!  In a school!!!!!   Call the ACLU.  I feel violated!  Somebody believes in something I DON'T????  The Constitution says you can only be religious in private lest the precious atheist snowflakes gaze upon a portrait of Jesus.  What about Mohammed?  Spaghetti monsters?  Ahhhhhh!
 
2013-02-13 01:59:00 PM
i50.tinypic.com

i48.tinypic.com
 
2013-02-13 01:59:32 PM

Stoker: Stray thought:
When do you figure God learned to speak English?


Before everyone else.
 
2013-02-13 02:00:36 PM

I drunk what: Dr Dreidel: If the school really wants to keep that picture, hang one of Vishnu, Buddha, nothing, the FSM, Mohammed (or the "There is no god but Allah"-script), Hammurabi, whoever wrote the Magna Carta, Dag Hammarskjold, Harry Krishna, Sun Myung Moon, or any one of fifty other deities/legal-type figures right next to it. The school standing on some weird principle when two such easy remedies are on the table (get rid of the picture or add a new one) is what leads me to believe that perhaps their dogmatic attachment to only their own religious expression is what's guiding the argument here.

teach the controversy lolz

clearly the only logical and rational decision is to keep a picture of nothing up, er oh you already said that, yep


There's an empty picture frame hanging next to White Republican Jesus that underneath says "the above is a representation of the religious beliefs of atheists"? (You know - an actual "picture" of "nothing" and an explanation of what it represents).

Or you could intentionally miss the point again.

// it's not "teaching the controversy", it's "following the damned law"
// read the legal history of religious freedom in the US - you clearly have no frame of reference here
 
2013-02-13 02:10:59 PM
Most of the mass-murders referenced in previous posts were political in nature. Religion was cited in an attempt to justify them.
 
2013-02-13 02:14:14 PM

I May Be Crazy But...: Professor Duck: I May Be Crazy But...: Professor Duck: Portraits of people that preached selflessness and compassion for others MAKE ME SO ANGRY!

Most likely inaccurate portraits of someone who (apparently - I wasn't there) preached selflessness and compassion whose teachings are now used to justify condemning some people as less human than the rest of us, encouraging the spread of AIDS in Africa, and handing me pamphlets does get under my skin a little, yeah.

/The last might not be the same scale of evil as the other two.

Then be pissed with the people that misinterpret his teachings, not with the man himself.

It ain't their own picture they point at when they're telling me about why I'm going to hell. I have no problem with Jesus - I have a problem with him being plastered over every damn thing.


Tell 'em they're going as well--you know, the whole "love your neighbor as yourself" and "judge not lest ye be judged" and what-not.

...and honestly, what's the big problem beyond the religious aspect? The world would be a better place if people legitimately followed his teachings.
 
rpm
2013-02-13 02:28:11 PM

Professor Duck: The world would be a better place if people legitimately followed his teachings.


Great idea!

"For there are eunuchs who have been so from birth, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by men, and there are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. Let the one who is able to receive this receive it.""

"For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law."
 
2013-02-13 02:35:50 PM
BarkingUnicorn: Oldiron_79: fruitloop: Vodka Zombie: It's like they just don't get it.

Weird.

They totally get it.  The Christians get to have their picture of Jesus in the school because the kids wanted it.  Pictures of deities from other religions can be hung too, if there are enough students to form a club (which has to be approved by the school), and the club requests to have a picture (which has to be approved by the school) hung in the space.  How many students that don't practice Christianity attend the middle school in Jackson County, Ohio?  Checkmate.  Amen.

/going to make some popcorn

The Courthouse in Cumberland co TN has a statue of the Flying Spaghetti Monster on its ground from where some ACLU troll tried sueing then they said they would gladly put up any statue that any religious group wanted to pay for.

That's funny, but it's still wrong.  The First Amendment doesn't guarantee equal treatment of all religions; it forbids laws promoting any religions.


Allowing a monument paid for by another group to be on govt land is not promoting as long as you don't discriminate. Now if the govt pays for the monument pr discriminates it is promoting as ruled by the court.
 
2013-02-13 02:42:45 PM

Dr Dreidel: I drunk what: Dr Dreidel: If the school really wants to keep that picture, hang one of Vishnu, Buddha, nothing, the FSM, Mohammed (or the "There is no god but Allah"-script), Hammurabi, whoever wrote the Magna Carta, Dag Hammarskjold, Harry Krishna, Sun Myung Moon, or any one of fifty other deities/legal-type figures right next to it. The school standing on some weird principle when two such easy remedies are on the table (get rid of the picture or add a new one) is what leads me to believe that perhaps their dogmatic attachment to only their own religious expression is what's guiding the argument here.

teach the controversy lolz

clearly the only logical and rational decision is to keep a picture of nothing up, er oh you already said that, yep

There's an empty picture frame hanging next to White Republican Jesus that underneath says "the above is a representation of the religious beliefs of atheists"? (You know - an actual "picture" of "nothing" and an explanation of what it represents).

Or you could intentionally miss the point again.

// it's not "teaching the controversy", it's "following the damned law"
// read the legal history of religious freedom in the US - you clearly have no frame of reference here


no i got the point NOTHING should be put on the wall, as in there are no invisible sky wizards, so the only pictures we should be hanging up are of real people that can actually benefit society

3.bp.blogspot.com

besides everyone knows that jesus was an anti-semite and we don't need to be spreading his hate speech around our public spaces
 
2013-02-13 02:54:29 PM

I drunk what: no i got the point NOTHING should be put on the wall,


I thought you were that other guy. My bad.

// FWIW, I agree - schools should promote the people who promoted learning
// and specifically NDGT, who got into astronomy to prove scientists wrong, is most definitely a role model kids should know all about
 
2013-02-13 03:11:53 PM

Carth: Just hang a picture of Muhammad next to it. I'm sure that will solve all of their problems.


Only if we also have a picture with the words, "There are no gods. Only man." right beside those...
 
2013-02-13 03:17:46 PM

Galvatron Zero: As an atheist...

I really don't understand what the big deal is.  It's just a picture.  Seriously.  To some people, it's the son of god and makes them feel good.  To others... it's just a picture.

There's a church on my street!
I demand it gets torn down!
It offends my senses!

If a picture of Jesus offends you, you have other issues.

/overactive sense of self-entitlement being one...
9_9


If you actually believe this, you're an idiot.
 
2013-02-13 03:30:51 PM

Dr Dreidel: I drunk what: no i got the point NOTHING should be put on the wall,

I thought you were that other guy. My bad.

// FWIW, I agree - schools should promote the people who promoted learning
// and specifically NDGT, who got into astronomy to prove scientists wrong, is most definitely a role model kids should know all about


FOR SCIENCE!

ramen
 
2013-02-13 03:53:22 PM

Dr Dreidel: Braindeath: Dr Dreidel: // "Zimbabwean Cartography Club"
// (that one might be a bit esoteric - Google a song called "Map of Zimbabwe". SFW, I think)

Are you looking for Amanda Palmer's <a href="http://music.amandapalmer.net/track/map-of-tasmania-feat-the-yo ung-pun x "> Map of Tasmania</a> song?

Holy fark. I thought I could make it through this morning without coffee.

Yes. Map of TASMANIA.


I screwed up using Fark so I feel you're probably ahead here.
 
2013-02-13 04:01:34 PM
underneaththestairwell.com

How I would love to see this mug next to Jesus F'ing Christ...
 
2013-02-13 04:08:36 PM
so Exodus 20-4 doesn't apply here?  We need god's law in schools!
 
2013-02-13 04:29:42 PM

escherblacksmith: Oldiron_79: fruitloop: Vodka Zombie: It's like they just don't get it.

Weird.

They totally get it.  The Christians get to have their picture of Jesus in the school because the kids wanted it.  Pictures of deities from other religions can be hung too, if there are enough students to form a club (which has to be approved by the school), and the club requests to have a picture (which has to be approved by the school) hung in the space.  How many students that don't practice Christianity attend the middle school in Jackson County, Ohio?  Checkmate.  Amen.

/going to make some popcorn

The Courthouse in Cumberland co TN has a statue of the Flying Spaghetti Monster on its ground from where some ACLU troll tried sueing then they said they would gladly put up any statue that any religious group wanted to pay for.

hah, I had not heard that.  cool

[www.boingboing.net image 200x299]

\\Ramen


A suited devil with a contract and quill would look good across the lawn.
 
2013-02-13 04:50:48 PM

freeforever: meat0918: You know what's amazing?

When Christians keep their religion to themselves they get along great with others.

Instead, they are jamming it anywhere and everywhere they can and complaining when we; both the secular and the religious citizens that like the separation of church and state; ask them to follow the laws of the land.

I'm sorry, but trying to backdoor bypass the First Amendment just isn't going to fly in this country any longer.

So in your book, a static portrait of Jesus on a school wall is "jamming" religion "anywhere and everywhere?"  And since you brought up the First Amendment:


Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. Liberals are quick to point the prohibitoin of government establishing a relion but couldn't give a fark about the right to the free exercise of religion and right to free speech.  It's one thing is the school is promoting religion, but if a group of students wants to hang a simple portrait of some dude who goes by the name of Jesus and the school is willing to allow other students to express their religion then by all means ....GET....OVER.....YOURSELVES....YOU.....INTOLLERANT.....ATHIESTS.


Oh, I am all for free exercise of religious freedom.  And I mentioned elsewhere in the thread that I am not exactly happy that schools limit their student's right to free speech.

I want everyone to be able to worship freely, as well as the freedom to not have to be religious.  That freedom is implicit in the First Amendment.  However, the freedom or religion does not include official government endorsement of things like putting up items that serve no secular purpose in a government building.  This includes public school teachers and administrators

I don't care if a teacher wears a religious pendant, or has a picture of her chosen deity on her desk(though , as long as she is teaching first and never proselytizing.

I had teachers that were super religious outside of the school, but never felt the need to preach in class.  We need more of our super religious teachers to keep it outside the classroom.
 
2013-02-13 05:02:33 PM
How many of you have actually seen the physical document which is the Bill Of Rights?

Well I've seen it and here is what the first amendment REALLY says...

Congress shall make no law permitting an establishment of organized delusion, or permitting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Somebody changed it!
 
2013-02-13 05:08:39 PM
I drunk what:
no i got the point NOTHING should be put on the wall, as in there are no invisible sky wizards, so the only pictures we should be hanging up are of real people that can actually benefit society

Jesus Christ, what is with the love affair people have with Neil Tyson? What the fark has he done to share a table with those giants? "He's black so it's like science is cool! YEAH!"
 
2013-02-13 05:12:35 PM

God-is-a-Taco: I drunk what:
no i got the point NOTHING should be put on the wall, as in there are no invisible sky wizards, so the only pictures we should be hanging up are of real people that can actually benefit society

Jesus Christ, what is with the love affair people have with Neil Tyson? What the fark has he done to share a table with those giants? "He's black so it's like science is cool! YEAH!"


you're right einstein shouldn't be on there, instead we should celebrate the true father of SCIENCE

encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com

he hates creationists, therefore he is the most logical and rational guy at the table, but not as dreamy as dawkins *swoon*
 
2013-02-13 06:23:47 PM

Theaetetus: b8zlbubba: The district's lawyer is actually salivating about the hours he will get to bill on this one.

Someone doesn't know how government positions work.


School district attorneys generally are not employees.  They're on retainer and bill hours.  A large district might find it more cost-effective to hire an attorney, but most don't have that enough work to keep an attorney busy full time.
 
2013-02-13 06:55:35 PM

Millennium: If teaching people how to understand each other is a major goal of public education -as many would say it is- then should teaching people about the various religions not be part of that?


You can do that with scientific, psychological, and sociological curricula without running afoul of the First Amendment.  The "understanding" skills learned will be generally applicable, not specific to religious motivations.
 
2013-02-13 07:04:19 PM

Target Builder: TommyJReed: After huddling with attorneys in closed session the board said the portrait belongs to the student group that put it up, the Hi-Y club. It says it will allow other student clubs to hang portraits appropriate to their organizations.

I hope there are some creative kids in this school with a bit of free time.


Hi-Y clubs are "affiliated with the Young Men's Christian Association, with purpose to create, maintain, and extend throughout the school and community, high standards of Christian character..."

Proselytizers don't belong in public schools at all.
 
2013-02-13 07:20:17 PM

freeforever: Dr Dreidel: freeforever: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion

You missed the key phrase. "Establishments" are not simply "buildings", it's the trappings of religion. If the state promotes one religion over others, they run afoul of First Amendment protections. Period. (Read up on the Lemon test.)

You need to read the article again.  The school is allowing students from multiple clubs to hang portraits of their chosing.  How is that the state promoting one religion over the other when they're allowing everyone to get in on the action?


No.  The school will decide what's "appropriate" for each club to display.
 
2013-02-13 07:48:12 PM

The Irresponsible Captain: Bender The Offender: The Irresponsible Captain: Perhaps a more appropriate deity... One connected with wisdom and self-sacrifice for knowledge?

[upload.wikimedia.org image 220x323]

Is that Gandalf the Grey?

Odin, whom I pretty sure was inspiration for Gandalf.


I thought Odin wore an eyepatch....
 
2013-02-13 07:53:26 PM

Oldiron_79: Allowing a monument paid for by another group to be on govt land is not promoting as long as you don't discriminate. Now if the govt pays for the monument pr discriminates it is promoting as ruled by the court.


Which court?  The SCOTUS earned a blistering from Clarence Thomas for the mess of conflicting lower-court rulings that it keeps dodging.

Public land that people are free to avoid or leave is different from a public school with a captive audience.  And don't tell me the kids can go to private school; they can't make that choice.  This is about the kids' rights to be free from religion, not their parents'.

Who pays for a religious display is irrelevant, imo.  The display is not possible without the school's permission, which a reasonable person would conclude implies endorsement.  Want a court case?  See Thomas' dissent:

"A sharply divided Court of Appeals for the 10th Circuit has declared unconstitutional a private association's efforts to memorialize slain police officers with white roadside crosses, holding that the crosses convey to a reasonable observer that the state of Utah is endorsing Christianity."

The SCOTUS refused to hear that case, letting the 10th Circuit decision stand.
 
2013-02-13 08:18:13 PM

earthworm2.0: The Irresponsible Captain: Bender The Offender: The Irresponsible Captain: Perhaps a more appropriate deity... One connected with wisdom and self-sacrifice for knowledge?

[upload.wikimedia.org image 220x323]

Is that Gandalf the Grey?

Odin, whom I pretty sure was inspiration for Gandalf.

I thought Odin wore an eyepatch....


that's not what odin looks like.   odin was a negro

you've just been brainwashed by republican lies
 
2013-02-13 08:32:33 PM

earthworm2.0: The Irresponsible Captain: Bender The Offender: The Irresponsible Captain: Perhaps a more appropriate deity... One connected with wisdom and self-sacrifice for knowledge?

[upload.wikimedia.org image 220x323]

Is that Gandalf the Grey?

Odin, whom I pretty sure was inspiration for Gandalf.

I thought Odin wore an eyepatch....


Looks like an eye's missing to me. Anyway, he went around as a poor beggar - you don't expect an eye patch, necessarily.
 
2013-02-13 09:37:26 PM

freeforever: The Bruce Dickinson: Conservatives are quick to point the prohibition of government establishing a religion but couldn't give a fark about the right to the free exercise of religion and right to free speech.  It's one thing is the school is promoting religion, but if a group of students wants to hang a simple portrait of some dude who goes by the name of Muhammadand the school is willing to allow other students to express their religion then by all means ....

Classic straw man.  No one in this thread is arguing against a portrait of Mohammed.  If students want to hang his portrait then they should have the right.




Hey! That's against the rules.

2.bp.blogspot.com

/the rules are the rules
 
2013-02-13 09:40:35 PM

lenfromak: If I was the district's lawyer and had an ounce of sanity, I would resign and let these idiots defend themselves.


Ever hear of billable hours?
 
2013-02-13 09:43:51 PM
I see I'm late to this party. :(
 
2013-02-13 11:37:33 PM

rpm: Professor Duck: The world would be a better place if people legitimately followed his teachings.

Great idea!

"For there are eunuchs who have been so from birth, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by men, and there are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. Let the one who is able to receive this receive it.""

"For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law."


How nice of you not to move past the surface level meaning of these statements. Good job.
 
2013-02-14 03:52:19 AM

Professor Duck: How nice of you not to move past the surface level meaning of these statements. Good job.


Right. Christians are all for moving past the surface level meaning when the surface level meaning makes them uncomfortable.
But when a ridiculous, barbaric passage meshes with their own bigotries - man, they get all literal on your ass.

imageshack.us

Christianity is stupid. Give it up.
 
2013-02-14 06:18:13 AM

sure haven't: Egads, imagine that. A country founded by Christians wants to keep a Christian symbol up in a public place.

There are so many more important things to internet-rage about, ffs who gives a sh*t...


The country was also founds by slaveholders. perhaps we should honor slavery in our schools too.
 
2013-02-14 08:13:35 AM

0Icky0: Professor Duck: How nice of you not to move past the surface level meaning of these statements. Good job.

Right. Christians are all for moving past the surface level meaning when the surface level meaning makes them uncomfortable.
But when a ridiculous, barbaric passage meshes with their own bigotries - man, they get all literal on your ass.

[imageshack.us image 350x438]

Christianity is stupid. Give it up.


Believe what you wish. Unlike most people that claim to the Christian, I won't judge you.
 
2013-02-14 08:15:50 AM
"be", not "the".

Also, I'd be happy to talk about what actually was trying to be said in those statements, should you be willing to listen.
 
2013-02-14 08:20:40 AM

Professor Duck: 0Icky0: Professor Duck: How nice of you not to move past the surface level meaning of these statements. Good job.

Right. Christians are all for moving past the surface level meaning when the surface level meaning makes them uncomfortable.
But when a ridiculous, barbaric passage meshes with their own bigotries - man, they get all literal on your ass.

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Christianity is stupid. Give it up.

Believe what you wish. Unlike most people that claim to the Christian, I won't judge you.


i'm ok you're ok, judge not

0Icky0: Professor Duck: How nice of you not to move past the surface level meaning of these statements. Good job.

Right. Christians are all for moving past the surface level meaning when the surface level meaning makes them uncomfortable.
But when a ridiculous, barbaric passage meshes with their own bigotries - man, they get all literal on your ass.

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Christianity is stupid. Give it up.


lolz only retards would believe a myth, they can count to potato, don't bother trying to reason with them
 
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