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(Inquisitr)   In its continuing bid to unseat Google as top search engine, Bing now allows you to never have to stray outside your echo chamber   (inquisitr.com) divider line 74
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2013-02-13 09:56:37 AM  
I'd like Bing to incorporate this into more aspects of their search engine.

For instance, I'd love it if Bing had a slider that filtered out all Bing search results and only displayed Google's.
 
2013-02-13 10:00:32 AM  
Inspired by all the Microsoft people looking to filter out negative reviews of Windows 8
 
2013-02-13 10:25:24 AM  
Changing the slider all the way to the right redirects you to the politics tab.
 
2013-02-13 10:29:04 AM  
Why are huffpo and the wall st journal 'centrist'?
 
2013-02-13 10:34:37 AM  

Ned Stark: Why are huffpo and the wall st journal 'centrist'?


I briefly thought the same thing but, let's face it, it's hard to get American news without bias.  When you've got DailyKOS on one side and Brietbart on the other, huffpo and WSJ look positively objective by comparison.
 
2013-02-13 10:38:03 AM  
I like my news like I like my men. Hard, fast and a little to the left.
 
2013-02-13 10:39:24 AM  
Come now, we all know what Bing is really good for...specifically Bing video...

/fapfapfapfap
 
2013-02-13 10:39:37 AM  
Sounds like a useful feature for many people.  Let's face it, people don't want to hear different points of view they want to hear their point of view.  This makes it easier for the consumer to get that.  It let's you edit the news for yourself, why is that bad?
 
2013-02-13 10:45:01 AM  

Representative of the unwashed masses: Sounds like a useful feature for many people.  Let's face it, people don't want to hear different points of view they want to hear their point of view.  This makes it easier for the consumer to get that.  It let's you edit the news for yourself, why is that bad?


I think we'd all be a little better off if we all spent a little time each day on the WSJ editorial/opinion page and on Slate -- relatively moderate, rather smart people talking about the issues from the right and left.
 
2013-02-13 11:04:00 AM  
grasping at air at it's finest.
 
2013-02-13 11:23:25 AM  
Look, I'll admit it, I'm probably just as guilty as the next guy of being more dismissive of things that don't support my worldview. But even still, this is just sickening. You think the country is heavily divided now? Wait until something like this becomes commonplace. We'll be living in two (or more) countries that just happen to occupy the same space.
 
2013-02-13 11:26:08 AM  
The way Google's been futzing with GIS lately, I have been using Bing more and more...


Ok, yeah, its all about pr0n.
 
2013-02-13 11:26:27 AM  
Yes, because a more ironclad echo chamber is exactly what conservatives need.

This idea will do about as much good as the new Conservative Facebook.
 
2013-02-13 11:34:51 AM  

meanmutton: Representative of the unwashed masses: Sounds like a useful feature for many people.  Let's face it, people don't want to hear different points of view they want to hear their point of view.  This makes it easier for the consumer to get that.  It let's you edit the news for yourself, why is that bad?

I think we'd all be a little better off if we all spent a little time each day on the WSJ editorial/opinion page and on Slate -- relatively moderate, rather smart people talking about the issues from the right and left.


I think we'd all be better if we cut the amount of time spent on editorial/opinion pages down to 10% of what it is now.  Every news station from Fox to MSNBC spends too much time with their punditized analysts picking apart stories and useless trivialities.  We should be spending more time gathering facts, data, and event news and processing it on our own.

I shouldn't need some pundit to tell me how I should feel about drones as a liberal/democrat/republican/conservative/libertarian/greenparty/whatev er.  I think we've lost the ability to become INFORMED on an issue before having opinions.  I find it a mark of an open and aware mind when I find people who haven't made up their mind on a few topics, or admit a shift in their position in the last decade, or will admit they don't a fully formed opinion because they don't yet know enough about an issue to make an argument either way.
 
2013-02-13 11:43:24 AM  

Khellendros: meanmutton: Representative of the unwashed masses: Sounds like a useful feature for many people.  Let's face it, people don't want to hear different points of view they want to hear their point of view.  This makes it easier for the consumer to get that.  It let's you edit the news for yourself, why is that bad?

I think we'd all be a little better off if we all spent a little time each day on the WSJ editorial/opinion page and on Slate -- relatively moderate, rather smart people talking about the issues from the right and left.

I think we'd all be better if we cut the amount of time spent on editorial/opinion pages down to 10% of what it is now.  Every news station from Fox to MSNBC spends too much time with their punditized analysts picking apart stories and useless trivialities.  We should be spending more time gathering facts, data, and event news and processing it on our own.

I shouldn't need some pundit to tell me how I should feel about drones as a liberal/democrat/republican/conservative/libertarian/greenparty/whatev er.  I think we've lost the ability to become INFORMED on an issue before having opinions.  I find it a mark of an open and aware mind when I find people who haven't made up their mind on a few topics, or admit a shift in their position in the last decade, or will admit they don't a fully formed opinion because they don't yet know enough about an issue to make an argument either way.


The point shouldn't be to have a pundit tell you how you should feel as a [whatever] but, rather, to inform you as to how and why a [whatever] thinks the way we do.

We're increasingly living in a society where there's this blanket assumption that the other side's views stem purely from illogical, emotional, racist, anti-American, anti-whatever sentiment.  Trying to figure out how and why people who see the world differently than you do think the way they do is quite useful.
 
2013-02-13 11:45:24 AM  

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: I'd like Bing to incorporate this into more aspects of their search engine.

For instance, I'd love it if Bing had a slider that filtered out all Bing search results and only displayed Google's.


I get it! Because, Google's results are sooooo much better than Bing's, right?
 
2013-02-13 12:20:01 PM  

GruntledWorker: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: I'd like Bing to incorporate this into more aspects of their search engine.

For instance, I'd love it if Bing had a slider that filtered out all Bing search results and only displayed Google's.

I get it! Because, Google's results are sooooo much better than Bing's, right?


I took the test, and Google stomped Bing (other than 1 tie):
"router table fence plans"
"MAP test watts"
"592/16"
"Read Noise ISO"
"1D Mark iii AI SERVO"
 
2013-02-13 12:28:49 PM  

meanmutton: The point shouldn't be to have a pundit tell you how you should feel as a [whatever] but, rather, to inform you as to how and why a [whatever] thinks the way we do.

We're increasingly living in a society where there's this blanket assumption that the other side's views stem purely from illogical, emotional, racist, anti-American, anti-whatever sentiment. Trying to figure out how and why people who see the world differently than you do think the way they do is quite useful.


I generally agree, but your response assumes the absence of the solution I proposed.  If more people created their own informed opinions, they wouldn't be categorized and generalized by a [whatever] pundit.  For example, someone who defines themselves as a conservative tends to listen to conservative pundits, and adjusts their thinking and opinions based on that pundit's political views.  However, if that same group formed their own opinions based on watching the news and collecting data, they might come to similar conclusions, but they would use their own experience and reasoning to get there.  And that stance is more valuable and workable than taking a stand based on talking points in a particular news or election cycle.  It's also more malleable to compromise and debate, and therefore progress on issues.

I find it's also common in liberal circles, though less so.  Listening to a liberal pundit, someone who has strong views on gay marriage would often adopt similarly strong views on climate change or immigration, though they didn't get there through study or understanding of the social, political or economic nuances.  It's the single-minded solidarity that is a result of the op/ed world that bothers me so much, and drags the process down.  I'm for the eliminating of "sides", and getting to an understanding of the issues as they pertain to individuals, not ideologies.  The growth of pundit and op/ed filler has really stifled that.
 
2013-02-13 12:40:38 PM  
I miss Ms Dewey.
 
2013-02-13 12:41:42 PM  

GruntledWorker: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: I'd like Bing to incorporate this into more aspects of their search engine.

For instance, I'd love it if Bing had a slider that filtered out all Bing search results and only displayed Google's.

I get it! Because, Google's results are sooooo much better than Bing's, right?


I got Google 4, Bing 0, with one tie.
 
2013-02-13 12:42:10 PM  
HELLO...HELLO...HELLO...HELLO...

BING...BING...BING...BING...

ECHO...ECHO...ECHO...ECHO...

Hey, this is fun...fun...
 
2013-02-13 12:44:09 PM  
Then what's the farking purpose of a search engine? These jackhandles could just search for stories from inside their echo chamber.
 
2013-02-13 12:46:35 PM  
I love how one of the conservative sites is called HotAir.
 
2013-02-13 12:48:11 PM  
So I assume if you move it all the way to the right you get StormFront's point of view.  If you move it all the way to the left you get some DYI Anarchist website's point of view.
 
2013-02-13 12:59:11 PM  

HeartBurnKid: GruntledWorker: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: I'd like Bing to incorporate this into more aspects of their search engine.

For instance, I'd love it if Bing had a slider that filtered out all Bing search results and only displayed Google's.

I get it! Because, Google's results are sooooo much better than Bing's, right?

I got Google 4, Bing 0, with one tie.


Google 5, Bing 0, no ties.

Of course I mostly use Google for highly technical searches(IT is basically using Google very well after all), and Bing looks to be really really bad at those.
 
2013-02-13 01:09:07 PM  
I thought this was cool several years ago when another search engine started doing this and more.
 
2013-02-13 01:26:29 PM  
There is a whole Ted Talk against filter bubbles. It's good talk.
 
2013-02-13 01:26:40 PM  
What an echo chamber might look like

watchingdollhouse.com
 
2013-02-13 01:33:25 PM  
"Giiive it up"

Mr. The Plague
 
2013-02-13 01:37:46 PM  
I like Bing.  There I said it.  It's mostly for the free rewards which I spend on XBox DLC.  I probably wouldn't have switched without it.
 
2013-02-13 01:37:48 PM  
Change it to a facts --|---------------- bullshiat slider and I'll be interested.
 
2013-02-13 01:44:40 PM  
I started using Bing for the more basic stuff.
 
2013-02-13 01:58:44 PM  
My wife and I were recently mentioned in some UK (I think) newspaper.  Bing picked it up hours before Google did..  The associated image appeared on Bing much faster as well.

In the past I've used sites that anonymous the results from Yahoo/Bing/Google and tracked what I clicked on.  Over a few weeks, while the numbers were very close it was actually Bing > Yahoo > Google.

I'm willing to accept that, at one point, Google was ahead of the competition in search result quality...but I really don't see their search being better anymore.  I'm not really sure why it remains so dominate.
 
2013-02-13 02:12:36 PM  

syrynxx: Inspired by all the Microsoft people looking to filter out negative reviews of Windows 8


I like Windows 8, and better than I do Windows 7.
 
2013-02-13 02:13:57 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: I'm not really sure why it remains so dominate.


Old habits die hard.
 
2013-02-13 02:17:07 PM  

Representative of the unwashed masses: Sounds like a useful feature for many people.  Let's face it, people don't want to hear different points of view they want to hear their point of view.  This makes it easier for the consumer to get that.  It let's you edit the news for yourself, why is that bad?


For the same reason homeschooling your kids and then sending them to Liberty University is bad. They grow up thinking that their views are obviously correct and shared by everyone, because they've never met anyone who disagreed with them. What's worse, because they've never met anyone who is the target of their prejudices, they think that, for example, all homosexuals are sex-crazed hedonists rather than the nice guy down the street and his long-term partner (or, in the civilized world, his husband).
 
2013-02-13 02:17:58 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: I'm willing to accept that, at one point, Google was ahead of the competition in search result quality...but I really don't see their search being better anymore. I'm not really sure why it remains so dominate.


Momentum.  Once people put a product in their lives, something else being "close", "equivalent", or "a tiny bit better" isn't enough to make people switch, even if that switch requires little or no monetary or time expenditure.  Google was ahead of the game, and was used by nearly everyone because it was the best.  They know how to use it, and they're comfortable with how to do specific searches.  They know what works and what doesn't.  Bing requires people to go to a different place and relearn the nuances of a system - to get back basically the same results.  They might be a little bit better, but it's not worth the time to most people.
 
2013-02-13 02:18:41 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: My wife and I were recently mentioned in some UK (I think) newspaper.  Bing picked it up hours before Google did..  The associated image appeared on Bing much faster as well.

In the past I've used sites that anonymous the results from Yahoo/Bing/Google and tracked what I clicked on.  Over a few weeks, while the numbers were very close it was actually Bing > Yahoo > Google.

I'm willing to accept that, at one point, Google was ahead of the competition in search result quality...but I really don't see their search being better anymore.  I'm not really sure why it remains so dominate.


Google still wins on finding minutia. Doing a search for some obscure error message that only one other person has ever gotten might return two results in Google, but it returns zero in Bing. This is probably mostly due to Google's index simply being larger by virtue of age, but it's an important point.
 
2013-02-13 02:38:17 PM  
i18.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-13 02:38:24 PM  

bbfreak: syrynxx: Inspired by all the Microsoft people looking to filter out negative reviews of Windows 8

I like Windows 8, and better than I do Windows 7.


What if I told you that people hate Windows 8, but never used it, and hate Bing, but never used it?
 
2013-02-13 02:54:23 PM  
This shiat isn't "either or" Microsoft you assholes.
 
2013-02-13 03:01:00 PM  
Microsoft has joined forces with right-leaning cable news network Fox News to assist with the filter.

So the only site that comes up in the middle is Fox News.
 
2013-02-13 03:18:52 PM  
For my needs, I still find Google's search results more relevant than Bing's. Maybe if I spent more time looking for shiat to buy from sponsored links Bing would work better.

It seems like I can't search for anything on Bing without having to wade through a page of shopping results before getting to anything relevant.
 
2013-02-13 03:25:06 PM  
I use Google because it has a simple design.

No pictures or any crap to load, really. Just simple text and a white background.
 
2013-02-13 03:29:01 PM  
Bing now allows you to never have to stray outside your echo chamber
So bing is deleting/suppressing any post that disagrees with their political opinion?
Sounds like fark mods
 
2013-02-13 03:41:34 PM  

OnlyM3: Bing now allows you to never have to stray outside your echo chamber So bing is deleting/suppressing any post that disagrees with their political opinion?
Sounds like fark mods


You've never actually been to the politics tab, have you?
 
2013-02-13 03:43:13 PM  
Do they now identify links by 'communist' or 'fascist'?
Because that would be a bullshiat move. I mean who does that?
 
2013-02-13 03:48:16 PM  
I listen to NPR. My echo chamber is fine.
 
2013-02-13 04:05:07 PM  

ozarkmatt: I listen to NPR. My echo chamber is fine.


One of the better sources, definitely.  But not complete on its own.
 
2013-02-13 04:08:18 PM  
Neat technically, but I'm not crazy about perpetuating this kind of thinking. There's already enough "new idea insulation" in the media and politics without encouraging/facilitating more of it. I guess that's what happens when talking heads decide considering new ideas and changing your mind a weakness. This is not limited to the right or left.

Same reason I think Conservapedia and such are dumb. If they think wiki is that biased then collect facts and present them to the article in question and if you have a good argument you can improve the overall corpus. Branching off and bounding yourself like that just results in shiatty splintered information, and you haven't accomplished anything.

As an example: http://www.conservapedia.com/Final_Fantasy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_Fantasy

Which one of those links seems like they have their shiat together and is peopled by well-read individuals? (not to pick on conservatives specifically, except those who feel the existence of weird schisms like this is a good thing).
 
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