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2013-02-13 09:51:20 AM
and where, pray tell, will you park this "range rover" in manhattan?
 
2013-02-13 10:02:34 AM
Well the pedestrians are getting larger and larger you need the power of a Land Rover to get over them.
 
2013-02-13 10:04:52 AM
Range Rovers are very nice but they are overpriced. Kinda like a lot of things in Manhattan I guess.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-02-13 11:10:16 AM
and where, pray tell, will you park this "range rover" in manhattan?

On top of two Smarts.
 
2013-02-13 11:19:18 AM
it is all part of the escape plan.

ought to be fun to watch, if the traffic cams stay live.

stay classy Madison ave.
 
2013-02-13 11:19:49 AM
subby has never seen the splendid (i.e. nonexistent) job the NYSDOT does on the roads between the rich swells' places in Manhattan and their second homes in Millbrook.
 
2013-02-13 11:30:22 AM
Well, when you're trying to decide between this, the Bentley, and the Bugatti, it's nice to have something that can handle a pothole for half the money.
 
2013-02-13 11:36:36 AM
I see Rovers around here in Palm Beach all the time as well. In fact I saw the new model the other day in white, it is a very striking vehicle in person.
 
2013-02-13 11:37:11 AM
You need something with a lot of clearance so that you don't get bicycle couriers tangled in the bumper.
 
2013-02-13 11:41:17 AM
From today's USA Today look what ranks dead last.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/driveon/2013/02/13/auto-stu dy -dependable-gm-toyota-lincoln/1914527/


2012 NAMEPLATE RANKING
Problems per 100 vehicles, average for all models:

• Lexus 71
• Porsche 94
• Lincoln 112
• Toyota 112
• Mercedes-Benz 115
• Buick 118
• Honda 119
• Acura 120
• Ram 122
• Suzuki 122
• Mazda124
• Chevrolet 125

INDUSTRY AVERAGE 128

• Ford
 127
• Cadillac 128
• Subaru 132
• BMW 133
• GMC 134
• Scion 135
• Nissan 137
• Infiniti 137
• Kia 140
• Hyundai 141
• Audi 147
• Volvo 140
• Mini 150
• Chrysler153
• Jaguar164
• Volkswagen 174
• Jeep 178
• Mitsubishi 178
• Dodge 190
• Land Rover 220
 
2013-02-13 11:42:35 AM
Hmm, it's like there is something other than pure practicality that motivates people to buy certain vehicles . . .
 
2013-02-13 11:48:13 AM

RangerTaylor: Hmm, it's like there is something other than pure practicality that motivates people to buy certain vehicles . . .


Like the fact that this is one of the most expensive SUVs on the market? And that appearing to be wealthy is as important as being wealthy in this country?

/reclassify all SUVs as "off road vehicles" not legal for US roads and highways please
//what's that? you like the space? buy a minivan
///oh, so it isn't about the space, it's about looking cool
 
2013-02-13 11:48:23 AM

FlashHarry: and where, pray tell, will you park this "range rover" in manhattan?


www.slate.com

Why, in an underground garage of course!
 
2013-02-13 11:51:31 AM

grinding_journalist: RangerTaylor: Hmm, it's like there is something other than pure practicality that motivates people to buy certain vehicles . . .

Like the fact that this is one of the most expensive SUVs on the market? And that appearing to be wealthy is as important as being wealthy in this country?

/reclassify all SUVs as "off road vehicles" not legal for US roads and highways please
//what's that? you like the space? buy a minivan
///oh, so it isn't about the space, it's about looking cool


Are you more upset about someone buying an SUV or a $250,000 sports car that gets mileage as bad or worse?  At least the SUV can be used to move things and/or families in safety.   Also, if someone makes over a million per year, should they buy cheap cars still?  I mean, the average Range Rover customer makes something like $750,000 per year, so them buying one of these is like me buying a $6,000 car.  Can't say I blame them.
 
2013-02-13 11:52:50 AM

grinding_journalist: RangerTaylor: Hmm, it's like there is something other than pure practicality that motivates people to buy certain vehicles . . .

Like the fact that this is one of the most expensive SUVs on the market? And that appearing to be wealthy is as important as being wealthy in this country?


Plus when you're wealthy, you most certainly have other vehicles to drive while your Range Rover is in the shop.
 
2013-02-13 11:59:21 AM

FlashHarry: and where, pray tell, will you park this "range rover" in manhattan?


And that's why the SUV is a huge status symbol in New York.  It's just yelling to everyone, "Hey, I can afford to park in the city!"
 
2013-02-13 12:02:50 PM
How many trophy wives can one city have?
 
2013-02-13 12:07:21 PM

RangerTaylor: At least the SUV can be used to move things and/or families in safety.


If there were no SUVs, we wouldn't need to all drive SUVs to protect ourselves from collisions with distracted soccer moms driving SUVs.

Minivans have a much lower rollover risk, have more cargo space, and by and large operate more efficiently.

People buy SUVs because vans are uncool.
 
2013-02-13 12:11:00 PM
Well, the Range Rover actually has significantly lower rollover risk than any minivan due to an auto-leveling air suspension.  But besides the Range Rovers, you have a good point.  In a single vehicle accident though, the SUV is FAR safer than the minivan, particularly the Range Rover.
 
2013-02-13 12:22:49 PM
Owning a Range Rover is God's way of saying you make too damn much money.

/Bentleys, too.
 
2013-02-13 12:23:09 PM

grinding_journalist: RangerTaylor: At least the SUV can be used to move things and/or families in safety.

If there were no SUVs, we wouldn't need to all drive SUVs to protect ourselves from collisions with distracted soccer moms driving SUVs.

Minivans have a much lower rollover risk, have more cargo space, and by and large operate more efficiently.

People buy SUVs because vans are uncool.


Or because vans are shiatty in the snow.
 
2013-02-13 12:28:15 PM
They want to prove their wealth? Put a heavy congestion charge on them.
 
2013-02-13 12:30:31 PM

grinding_journalist: RangerTaylor: At least the SUV can be used to move things and/or families in safety.

If there were no SUVs, we wouldn't need to all drive SUVs to protect ourselves from collisions with distracted soccer moms driving SUVs.

Minivans have a much lower rollover risk, have more cargo space, and by and large operate more efficiently.

People buy SUVs because vans are uncool.


Or maybe people are too tall and don't like leaning over every time to put their kids in the car.

/brother-in-law is 6'7"
 
2013-02-13 12:39:03 PM

The Singing Bush: Or because vans are shiatty in the snow.


So get an AWD van. There are a number to choose from now. Also, the majority of SUVs sold are two wheel drive in the name of fuel economy to offset their insane bulk. That RWD Yukon is probably just fantastic in the snow, right? Twice the weight and none of the offroad capability, it's the best of both worlds!

89 Stick-Up Kid: Or maybe people are too tall and don't like leaning over every time to put their kids in the car.

/brother-in-law is 6'7"


I'm not trying to sound hostile, but your brother is an extreme statistical outlier, and aside from the very biggest of SUVs and trucks, he'll have to lean over to get his kids in a vehicle anyway. I really don't see how it'd be more difficult to get a child in a car seat strapped in a minivan with a sliding rear door than an SUV with one that opens the regular way, especially if you're that big- but I'm not 6'7''.
 
2013-02-13 12:49:43 PM

grinding_journalist: The Singing Bush: Or because vans are shiatty in the snow.

So get an AWD van. There are a number to choose from now. Also, the majority of SUVs sold are two wheel drive in the name of fuel economy to offset their insane bulk. That RWD Yukon is probably just fantastic in the snow, right? Twice the weight and none of the offroad capability, it's the best of both worlds!

89 Stick-Up Kid: Or maybe people are too tall and don't like leaning over every time to put their kids in the car.

/brother-in-law is 6'7"

I'm not trying to sound hostile, but your brother is an extreme statistical outlier, and aside from the very biggest of SUVs and trucks, he'll have to lean over to get his kids in a vehicle anyway. I really don't see how it'd be more difficult to get a child in a car seat strapped in a minivan with a sliding rear door than an SUV with one that opens the regular way, especially if you're that big- but I'm not 6'7''.


You seem extremely upset about SUVs... did one rape your mother?
 
2013-02-13 12:50:28 PM
I just don't see buying a European made car.  For the most part they are all overpriced, unreliable, and expensive to maintain.

The difference between most non truck based SUVs and a minivan is whether or not they have a sliding door or not.  You can get a Mazda CX-5, which is 'gasp' an SUV that gets 35 MPG on the highway.  My Civic doesn't even do that...
 
2013-02-13 12:55:37 PM

grinding_journalist: RangerTaylor: Hmm, it's like there is something other than pure practicality that motivates people to buy certain vehicles . . .

Like the fact that this is one of the most expensive SUVs on the market? And that appearing to be wealthy is as important as being wealthy in this country?

/reclassify all SUVs as "off road vehicles" not legal for US roads and highways please
//what's that? you like the space? buy a minivan
///oh, so it isn't about the space, it's about looking cool


I own a minivan. And when I visit new york city, there are stretches of road that will knock your teeth together and bounce you off the roof. I much prefered it when I had an Explorer. Manhattan is full of choke points that handle way more traffic than they were ever designed for. Traffic moves through them fast which beats up the pavement, and they can't be shut down for lengthy repairs without causing gridlock.

The cost of owning a car in Manhatten is high. Parking alone can run $600 a month. The cost for tolls, insurance, repairs, and parking are pretty much the same regardless if you own a beater or somthing nice, so if you do have the money and plan on having a car, it makes perfect sense to pay a few extra bucks for a nice one.

And a lot of the time, they are used for weekend trips out of the city. Ski weekends, hobby farms, or just shopping trips can all make good use of an SUV. Manhattan doesn't have Walmarts or Targets, or much of the suburban shopping experience many take for granted. Getting out of the city to shop is something one makes the most of.

Plus SUVs are safer. Which when you are jousting with buses, delivery trucks, cabbies, and the crazies, is a major consideration.

the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety (IIHS) released the results of a study examining death rates for drivers of 2001 to 2004 model year vehicles involved in crashes from 2002 through 2005. The results were rated by deaths per million vehicle years (DMVY).
The IIHS' separated the vehicles into eight categories: cars, sports, luxury, specialty, station wagons, minivans, SUV's and pickup trucks. The "deaths by body style" stats were conclusive. According to the report, large and mid-sized 4WD vehicles (47 and 59 DMVY) are safer than cars classified as mini (148), small (103), midsize (71), large (81) and very large (61).


http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2007/04/iihs-and-nhtsa-agree-suvs-s af er-than-cars/


And let me ask you this. When the people you know, poor or rich, buy a car, do they usually buy the least amount or most amout of car they can afford?  Why do you think people in Manhattan are any different?
 
2013-02-13 12:55:57 PM

grinding_journalist: The Singing Bush: Or because vans are shiatty in the snow.

So get an AWD van. There are a number to choose from now. Also, the majority of SUVs sold are two wheel drive in the name of fuel economy to offset their insane bulk. That RWD Yukon is probably just fantastic in the snow, right? Twice the weight and none of the offroad capability, it's the best of both worlds!


If by "a number to choose from now" you mean the Toyota Sienna, then you're right because that's the only minivan with AWD as an option ("traction control" doesn't count - it's only marginally better).  And I wouldn't buy an SUV that's not AWD.
 
2013-02-13 12:58:11 PM

TheGreatGazoo: I just don't see buying a European made car.  For the most part they are all overpriced, unreliable, and expensive to maintain.

The difference between most non truck based SUVs and a minivan is whether or not they have a sliding door or not.  You can get a Mazda CX-5, which is 'gasp' an SUV that gets 35 MPG on the highway.  My Civic doesn't even do that...


At 3,100 pounds, a manual transmission, and 155hp, a CX-5 really stretches the definition of SUV.  I thought these unibody things were called crossovers now and we relegated SUV to referencing traditional body-on-frame construction.
 
2013-02-13 12:59:01 PM

Rapmaster2000: TheGreatGazoo: I just don't see buying a European made car.  For the most part they are all overpriced, unreliable, and expensive to maintain.

The difference between most non truck based SUVs and a minivan is whether or not they have a sliding door or not.  You can get a Mazda CX-5, which is 'gasp' an SUV that gets 35 MPG on the highway.  My Civic doesn't even do that...

At 3,100 pounds, a manual transmission, and 155hp, a CX-5 really stretches the definition of SUV.  I thought these unibody things were called crossovers now and we relegated SUV to referencing traditional body-on-frame construction.


Even Mazda is calling them crossovers:
Mazda CX-5 - MazdaUSA.comwww.mazdausa.com/ class="ac">The Mazda CX-5: the new crossover built for people who love to drive.
 
2013-02-13 01:03:03 PM

GanjSmokr: You seem extremely upset about SUVs... did one rape your mother?


No, and I suppose I shouldn't be- I have a great deal of respect for auto manufacturers who are able to sell truck chassis with a few more interior bits and a cover on the back for twice as much as the truck would sell for. A ridiculous scam, and they got the American public to buy it hook, line and sinker; just look at the public perception of SUVs as the "cool" thing to drive.

Even worse are the ones built on car chassis, because there's absolutely no way that it's a capable off road vehicle with 2WD and a car's ground clearance.

I probably wouldn't have an issue with them if the people who drive them knew HOW to drive them, but they rarely do- they're used to cars, so they drive them like cars, completely unaware of the difference in size, and physical dynamics. The people who are actually interested in offroading know better, and buy trucks. (Or stripped down doorless jeeps, which are close enough to trucks as to not make a difference.)

My brother's g/f said she was going to buy a new car, and she really wanted a Toyota Highlander- so I asked why. She really couldn't give me a better reason than "It's big, and I like it". Not that you need a better reason to buy a car, but whenever I ask people why they're buying a particular SUV, they look at me like I'm crazy. Have fun with your inflated Toyota Camry.

I shouldn't hate. Idiots at car dealerships are the reason people like me can get good deals on cars.

/once saw a very excited woman who was THRILLED to be paying $4000 over sticker for a Nissan Murano because her husband "just loved it, and told the salesman he wasn't interested in anything else"
//this was not when they were a new model
 
2013-02-13 01:10:10 PM

The Singing Bush: If by "a number to choose from now" you mean the Toyota Sienna, then you're right because that's the only minivan with AWD as an option ("traction control" doesn't count - it's only marginally better).


Sorry, I shouldn't have said "now" (implying new car models), I should have said "available." I could have sworn there was a new Nissan with AWD as an option, but I guess not. I can't blame you for not wanting to drive an Aerostar, but there's an AWD Caravan, and you could get a Mazda MPV as well. Or, get one of many Subarus that are so bloated now they may as well be minivans.
 
2013-02-13 01:14:47 PM

grinding_journalist: GanjSmokr: You seem extremely upset about SUVs... did one rape your mother?

No, and I suppose I shouldn't be- I have a great deal of respect for auto manufacturers who are able to sell truck chassis with a few more interior bits and a cover on the back for twice as much as the truck would sell for. A ridiculous scam, and they got the American public to buy it hook, line and sinker; just look at the public perception of SUVs as the "cool" thing to drive.


This probably has something to do with where you live and/or your age.  I don't think they've been cool since 2006.  Everyone I know just thinks of them as mommy cars.  The crossover-driver screams "I'm not driving a minivan, you guys!"
 
2013-02-13 01:16:21 PM
I'm just amazed at the number of older people I see driving minivans these days. Plus I recently went to the auto show and almost everyone crowded around the Odyssey, Sienna and Town & Country minivans were over 65. We were like the only family with kids looking.

Even my elderly neighbors traded in their Buick Lacrosse for a Mazda5 minivan.

I'm still trying to convince my wife a minivan is better for our needs, but she's far too interested in crossover/SUVs like the Nissan Pathfinder, Toyota Highlander etc.
 
2013-02-13 01:19:11 PM
Huh. Based on vocal NYers on Fark -- you know, the ones that refer to the rest of the country as "flyover", and if you don't like NYC, then you're an uncultured rube -- I thought that everyone in NYC took public transportation or walked 326 miles every day to get where they needed to go. This story can't be right.
 
2013-02-13 01:19:21 PM

mjohnson71: I'm just amazed at the number of older people I see driving minivans these days. Plus I recently went to the auto show and almost everyone crowded around the Odyssey, Sienna and Town & Country minivans were over 65. We were like the only family with kids looking.

Even my elderly neighbors traded in their Buick Lacrosse for a Mazda5 minivan.I


I've had a Mazda5 as a rental a few times.  Just an outstanding minivan. The small size if perfect for city driving and you can get them with a stick.

Odysseys are just barges now.  My sister optioned hers out with leather and every gadget they had to $47k.
 
2013-02-13 01:20:21 PM

The Crepes of Wrath: Huh. Based on vocal NYers on Fark -- you know, the ones that refer to the rest of the country as "flyover", and if you don't like NYC, then you're an uncultured rube -- I thought that everyone in NYC took public transportation or walked 326 miles every day to get where they needed to go. This story can't be right.


Actually, the rest of the country imagines that NYers refer to them as flyover.  In reality, they don't think about them at all.
 
2013-02-13 01:20:37 PM

grinding_journalist: truck chassis with a few more interior bits and a cover on the back for twice as much as the truck would sell for.


Is that a joke?  The cheapest new Ford F-150 4x4 with 4 doors starts at $35M.  The cheapest 4x4 Expedition is $43M, and the Expedition probably has A LOT more options than the base F-150
 
2013-02-13 01:25:05 PM

grinding_journalist: but there's an AWD Caravan


Not according to Dodge's website, and if you search on Cars.com for a used one, AWD is not an available option.
 
2013-02-13 01:29:27 PM

The Singing Bush: grinding_journalist: truck chassis with a few more interior bits and a cover on the back for twice as much as the truck would sell for.

Is that a joke?  The cheapest new Ford F-150 4x4 with 4 doors starts at $35M.  The cheapest 4x4 Expedition is $43M, and the Expedition probably has A LOT more options than the base F-150


You'd be totally right if they based the Expedition on the 4dr f150, but it's actually based on the 2dr. As such, the differences are (according to the Ford site) 23k for the truck and 41k for the SUV, with damn near the same features in both.
 
2013-02-13 01:31:33 PM

mjohnson71: From today's USA Today look what ranks dead last.


Land Rovers have been notoriously unreliable since forever and a day ago. You don't buy an $80,000 Land Rover, you put $80,000 down on a $160,000 Land Rover.
 
2013-02-13 01:38:06 PM
It's not the mountains and hills, it's the potholes.
 
2013-02-13 01:41:16 PM

grinding_journalist: RangerTaylor: At least the SUV can be used to move things and/or families in safety.

If there were no SUVs, we wouldn't need to all drive SUVs to protect ourselves from collisions with distracted soccer moms driving SUVs.

Minivans have a much lower rollover risk, have more cargo space, and by and large operate more efficiently.

People buy SUVs because vans are uncool.


This is funny. I begged my wife for a minvan, but she won't allow it. Not cool enough.
 
2013-02-13 01:44:19 PM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: Land Rovers have been notoriously unreliable since forever and a day ago. You don't buy an $80,000 Land Rover, you put $80,000 down on a $160,000 Land Rover.



Or you just lease it.
 
2013-02-13 01:45:38 PM

mjohnson71: I'm still trying to convince my wife a minivan is better for our needs, but she's far too interested in crossover/SUVs like the Nissan Pathfinder, Toyota Highlander etc.


I hope our next car is a monivan. If it is, I'll give her my Turbo Veloster and drive that.
 
2013-02-13 01:45:57 PM

grinding_journalist: You'd be totally right if they based the Expedition on the 4dr f150, but it's actually based on the 2dr. As such, the differences are (according to the Ford site) 23k for the truck and 41k for the SUV, with damn near the same features in both.


Like seating for 2 vs. seating for 8 and everything in the back seats?  I would hardly call that damn near the same features.
 
2013-02-13 01:49:54 PM

grinding_journalist: The Singing Bush: Or because vans are shiatty in the snow.

So get an AWD van. There are a number to choose from now. Also, the majority of SUVs sold are two wheel drive in the name of fuel economy to offset their insane bulk. That RWD Yukon is probably just fantastic in the snow, right? Twice the weight and none of the offroad capability, it's the best of both worlds!

89 Stick-Up Kid: Or maybe people are too tall and don't like leaning over every time to put their kids in the car.

/brother-in-law is 6'7"

I'm not trying to sound hostile, but your brother is an extreme statistical outlier, and aside from the very biggest of SUVs and trucks, he'll have to lean over to get his kids in a vehicle anyway. I really don't see how it'd be more difficult to get a child in a car seat strapped in a minivan with a sliding rear door than an SUV with one that opens the regular way, especially if you're that big- but I'm not 6'7''.


You don't seem to be that knowledgeable about minivans or people who are 6'7".
 
2013-02-13 02:23:00 PM

grinding_journalist: RangerTaylor: Hmm, it's like there is something other than pure practicality that motivates people to buy certain vehicles . . .

Like the fact that this is one of the most expensive SUVs on the market? And that appearing to be wealthy is as important as being wealthy in this country?

/reclassify all SUVs as "off road vehicles" not legal for US roads and highways please
//what's that? you like the space? buy a minivan
///oh, so it isn't about the space, it's about looking cool


You are kinda dumb.
 
2013-02-13 02:27:53 PM
A real SUV. It holds my only 3 friends all of our camping grear.

i1219.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-13 02:29:27 PM

Rapmaster2000: TheGreatGazoo: I just don't see buying a European made car.  For the most part they are all overpriced, unreliable, and expensive to maintain.

The difference between most non truck based SUVs and a minivan is whether or not they have a sliding door or not.  You can get a Mazda CX-5, which is 'gasp' an SUV that gets 35 MPG on the highway.  My Civic doesn't even do that...

At 3,100 pounds, a manual transmission, and 155hp, a CX-5 really stretches the definition of SUV.  I thought these unibody things were called crossovers now and we relegated SUV to referencing traditional body-on-frame construction.


We have an BMW X1, which actually gets close to 35 on the highway if you don't ride it hard. Mid 30s isn't hard to achieve anymore.
 
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