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(Info Wars)   An Arizona man hopes to cash in on a $5 million payday for an innocent little joke about carrying explosive peanut butter on a plane   (infowars.com) divider line 158
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2013-02-13 11:06:07 AM  

Earl of Chives: Dr Dreidel: Earl of Chives: Let's waste time/attention/money on jokes.

We only know they're jokes after the fact. Best leave the humor to everywhere outside an airport.

Fine, jokes are subjective. So how many real bombers have there been, who made a statement at the airport that they have a bomb - joking or not?


I am absolutely sure it doesn't matter.
 
2013-02-13 11:07:19 AM  

khyberkitsune: Girion47: Okay, take that up with the Army Optics Research Lab who cleared it for use.

AORL isn't exactly the brightest bulb in the bunch (no pun intended.)

UV PERIOD is bad to shine in someone's eyes. Sure, we've got SOME filtration (that gets removed if you have cataract surgery) but given the narrow emission angle of the stated lights, these put the overall photon flux density at VERY high levels.

And if they're using UVB wavelengths, even worse. We don't have a way to filter that out (and many UV diodes start with a UVB base and convert some light to UVA/visible blue.)


All we were concerned about is some idiot staring at the light and filing for Workman's Comp.  Our job was to reduce the amount of injuries being claimed by the TSA because in their first 4 years they had managed to catch up to the Post Office for number of injuries.
 
2013-02-13 11:13:28 AM  

colinspooky: Every time we arrived at an airport, we ordered the kids never to say the 'b-word' or mention anything along those lines, even as a joke. Why can't people understand that? Imagine the fall out (hmm) if the TSA people just laughed off all the 'jokes' and then one wasn't a joke. Who would be laughing then? Hope the courts throw out this appalling legal action and ensure this chap pays all the legal costs for both sides.


Agreed, I am willing to sacrifice my freedom for the illusion of safety comrade, ::bootclick salute:: Heil!

We must not question the law!!  because it's..the LAW!!  ::goosestepping::
 
2013-02-13 11:15:31 AM  

oh_please: As much as I hate the TSA, there's no way this guy is going to win, and he shouldn't. There's a time and place to be a smartass, an airport security check is not that time and place.

/you got to know when to hold 'em, know when to fold 'em....


You nailed this one on the head. But, maybe, and just maybe it's time for someone to take the TSA to task. We can't keep giving up liberty because we're scared little critters. Even though I agree totally that this guy won't see a penny and his sarcasm was incorrectly employed in the wrong place, it's a step in the right direction to start removing ourselves from the grip of government stooges. I'm not downplaying TSA employees, heck, they're people too, they need jobs just as many do. Maybe, it's us that need to be taken to task, as we have allowed the Government to take over our lives so that we little snowflakes feel comfortable and safe in our little bubble.
 
2013-02-13 11:17:34 AM  

NightOwl2255: RedT: Earl of Chives: Sure. We have unlimited resources. Let's waste time/attention/money on jokes. Just because there isn't a shred of evidence a real bomber likes to makes jokes is no reason not to really stomp some farkers

Let's all agree that Real Bombers don't make bomb jokes, just for the sake of argument (because I don't feel like researching it).  OK? Ok.

The real question is: Do Real Bombers make threats about having bombs?

Because if they do, then TSA probably does not want one of their mouthbreathers making the determination between what is a "joke" and what was a "threat".  I kinda get that.

Awhile back I worked for a large company HQ'ed in downtown Oklahoma City. We were standing in the street waiting for the police and fire people to clear the building after a called in bomb threat. Of course no bomb was found. We all agreeded that bomb threats shold be ignored. We could not think of a time in the US (unlike Northern Ireland) in which a person called in a real bomb threat, but there are hundreds, if not thousands of fake ones called in. And we were two blocks away from where the federal building used to stand before being blown up. And of course, no call was made before blowing it up.



Harvey's Casino in 1980. They left a note that there was a bomb planted. There was, in fact, an actual bomb planted. The cops tried to disarm it using explosives and just ended up setting it off. It destroyed Harvey's and damaged Harrah's next door. http://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/2009/august/harvey_082609
 
2013-02-13 11:18:37 AM  

TimGuy: colinspooky: Every time we arrived at an airport, we ordered the kids never to say the 'b-word' or mention anything along those lines, even as a joke. Why can't people understand that? Imagine the fall out (hmm) if the TSA people just laughed off all the 'jokes' and then one wasn't a joke. Who would be laughing then? Hope the courts throw out this appalling legal action and ensure this chap pays all the legal costs for both sides.

Agreed, I am willing to sacrifice my freedom for the illusion of safety comrade, ::bootclick salute:: Heil!

We must not question the law!!  because it's..the LAW!!  ::goosestepping::


Hmm, little unnecessaary  BUT, you are still left with that one time you ignored the joke and people died.
 
2013-02-13 11:22:00 AM  
Years from now
"They took my 5 year old away and now he's on death row"
"Why?"
"Because he drew a picture of a gun"
"Well the law is the law!"
"Hey did you hear about Bill, he's been executed as well"
"Why"
"Because he said the word bomb in his house and the bomb voice detecting unit picked it up"
"Oh thank God we're all safe, the Law's the law!"
 
2013-02-13 11:24:56 AM  

endmile: Harvey's Casino in 1980. They left a note that there was a bomb planted. There was, in fact, an actual bomb planted. The cops tried to disarm it using explosives and just ended up setting it off. It destroyed Harvey's and damaged Harrah's next door. http://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/2009/august/harvey_082609


FTA: A note left with the bomb-titled STERN WARNING TO THE MANAGEMENT AND BOMB SQUAD-began ominously: "Do not move or tilt this bomb, because the mechanism controlling the detonators in it will set it off at a movement of less than .01 of the open end Ricter scale.

That's a whole other thing. That's not calling in a bomb threat. That's leaving an object with a note. In the latter, that shows that the person was actually there, and there is an actual object. In that case, yes, clear the building.
 
2013-02-13 11:25:24 AM  

CutBoard: oh_please: As much as I hate the TSA, there's no way this guy is going to win, and he shouldn't. There's a time and place to be a smartass, an airport security check is not that time and place.

/you got to know when to hold 'em, know when to fold 'em....

You nailed this one on the head. But, maybe, and just maybe it's time for someone to take the TSA to task. We can't keep giving up liberty because we're scared little critters. Even though I agree totally that this guy won't see a penny and his sarcasm was incorrectly employed in the wrong place, it's a step in the right direction to start removing ourselves from the grip of government stooges. I'm not downplaying TSA employees, heck, they're people too, they need jobs just as many do. Maybe, it's us that need to be taken to task, as we have allowed the Government to take over our lives so that we little snowflakes feel comfortable and safe in our little bubble.


Exactly, people need to stop hiding underneath their beds like scared children, grow a pair of balls and stand up for their rights.  And as someone mentioned, I doubt someone really looking to bomb a plane would even joke about it to draw attention.
 
2013-02-13 11:30:03 AM  

TimGuy: Exactly, people need to stop hiding underneath their beds like scared children, grow a pair of balls and stand up for their rights


The right to joke about having explosives while trying to board a plane? That's never been a "right". And it should never be a right. Hard to fight for a right no one has had, and never should have.
 
2013-02-13 11:36:25 AM  
I am not a litigious person. And I certianly agree that this dude is an asshat for making a B joke in a airport (i don't even want to use the word, yes my hat is shiny silver looking) and in front of a TSA agent.
But maybe more lawsuits like his is what it will take to put a leash on the TSA. Lets face it, the TSA isn't going anywhere. No amount of griping is going to make a billion dollar govmnt industry go away. But if more people backed up their claims of TSA misconduct and bumbling. Maybe, it could get them put to the fore front in congressinal oversight and hearings.
It doesn't have to cost much to file a lawsuit. Any body with a computer and HS level of english can find and use resources available to do it. Following through is more complicated. But they really wouldn't have to follow it thru to far. If enough people started stirring the pot, even if its a huge pot, it gets easier to do.
 
2013-02-13 11:37:11 AM  

TimGuy: CutBoard: oh_please: As much as I hate the TSA, there's no way this guy is going to win, and he shouldn't. There's a time and place to be a smartass, an airport security check is not that time and place.

/you got to know when to hold 'em, know when to fold 'em....

You nailed this one on the head. But, maybe, and just maybe it's time for someone to take the TSA to task. We can't keep giving up liberty because we're scared little critters. Even though I agree totally that this guy won't see a penny and his sarcasm was incorrectly employed in the wrong place, it's a step in the right direction to start removing ourselves from the grip of government stooges. I'm not downplaying TSA employees, heck, they're people too, they need jobs just as many do. Maybe, it's us that need to be taken to task, as we have allowed the Government to take over our lives so that we little snowflakes feel comfortable and safe in our little bubble.

Exactly, people need to stop hiding underneath their beds like scared children, grow a pair of balls and stand up for their rights.  And as someone mentioned, I doubt someone really looking to bomb a plane would even joke about it to draw attention.


As much as I agree with both of you on the liberty/safety thing, you're missing the point that it has NEVER been okay to make a bomb joke in an airport, and this guy is a complete idiot for doing so. If I were the judge, I'd go all Willy Wonka on his ass:

You get nothing! You lose! Good day, sir!
 
2013-02-13 11:42:57 AM  

serial_crusher: Endive Wombat: Honestly, the only way I see the TSA disappearing is if we see another 9/11. There willl have to be huge missteps in passenger safety before a majority of politicians are motivated to do anything about it.

I really don't want to see the clusterfark that would ensue if the TSA got shut down on grounds that they didn't do enough to stop something.  What monstrosity would replace them in that case?

/ Actually I wouldn't mind if they had a way to just knock us out and stack us up in little coffin-like boxes for the duration of the flight, like on the 5th Element.  Would work around a lot of the hassles associated with travel.


What was the name of that Stephen King short story where it was like that for space travel, but one kid didn't take the pill/shot/whatever and ended up mad as a hatter? The Leap?
 
2013-02-13 11:44:08 AM  

NightOwl2255: TimGuy: Exactly, people need to stop hiding underneath their beds like scared children, grow a pair of balls and stand up for their rights

The right to joke about having explosives while trying to board a plane? That's never been a "right". And it should never be a right. Hard to fight for a right no one has had, and never should have.


You're right, it's never been a "right" to joke about something that endangers people in a place that a lot of people are scared of to begin with. Flying is not something most people are accustomed to and they don't want someone making jokes making it even worse. But the fact remains, these same people are facing their fears and we don't need the TSA to reassure us that these fears are legitimate by making overated responses when they aren't. Shiat happens, we don't have insurance for "shiat happens" and nothing we do can make it not happen. But, people need to quit hiding behind a curtain of government safety, because, that curtain is made of clear silk and it doesn't protect us from "shiat happens".
 
2013-02-13 11:48:31 AM  

liam76: If they knew he was talking about the peanut butter and they knew it wasn't a bomb it shouldn't have gone any further.


Much like how a republican gun nut™ waits for the day when he can murder someone with his concealed child-killer ©, a TSA agent longs for the day when someone makes an off-hand remark that he can use to fark up his whole day. Then he probably goes home and masturbates to the thought of how much power he has.
 
2013-02-13 11:51:49 AM  

MythDragon: liam76: If they knew he was talking about the peanut butter and they knew it wasn't a bomb it shouldn't have gone any further.

Much like how a republican gun nut™ waits for the day when he can murder someone with his concealed child-killer ©, a TSA agent longs for the day when someone makes an off-hand remark that he can use to fark up his whole day. Then he probably goes home and masturbates to the thought of how much power he has.


/came here to see if someone would bring political parties into this
//leaving satisfied.
 
2013-02-13 11:52:58 AM  
Where was his jar of this?
i.imgur.com

He didn't have one? ARE WE SAVAGES?
 
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2013-02-13 11:53:36 AM  

oh_please: As much as I agree with both of you on the liberty/safety thing, you're missing the point that it has NEVER been okay to make a bomb joke in an airport, and this guy is a complete idiot for doing so. If I were the judge, I'd go all Willy Wonka on his ass:

You get nothing! You lose! Good day, sir!


My mother almost got kicked out of an airport for joking about bombs... and this was in 1993.  It's pretty dumb to do it post 2001.

HOWEVER, the TSA locking the guy up for "falsely reporting an incident" is akin to a cop throwing someone he beat up in a bar fight for assault and battery.  Is assholery.  Someone should be finding the TSA guy and throwing HIM in jail for falsely reporting about someone falsely reporting an incident.  It's obvious it was only done to make sure they didn't look stupid.
 
2013-02-13 11:56:05 AM  

oh_please: As much as I hate the TSA, there's no way this guy is going to win, and he shouldn't. There's a time and place to be a smartass, an airport security check is not that time and place.

/you got to know when to hold 'em, know when to fold 'em....


The TSA agent appears to have characterized the peanut butter as a bomb before Hannibal  made his comment so sarcasm or not, perhaps he has a chance at winning.
 
2013-02-13 11:56:23 AM  

liam76: Louisiana_Sitar_Club: liam76: Louisiana_Sitar_Club: You're an idiot. This didn't happen because the TSA mistook peanut butter for a bomb. This happened because he made a clear declaration that he had explosives with him. From the article: "Hannibal then commented to his wife and children that 'They're looking to confiscate my explosives

Too stupid to recognize that the peanut butter was the "explosive" in question? The context of them talking about peanut butter, and commenting how they were confused about it seperating didn't clue you in to that?

Even if the peabutbutter wasn;t the explosive, they still shoudl have tackled him to keep him away from any of the luggage or stuff that could explode. They didn't. They didn't think it was a real threat.


I'm sure they knew he was talking about the peanut butter.

If they knew he was talking about the peanut butter and they knew it wasn't a bomb it shouldn't have gone any further.


Louisiana_Sitar_Club: Although, it's not that they can't recognize sarcasm, it's that they won't. I don't like the TSA anymore than anyone else but every single person knows from ample precedents that airport security (both pre-911 and the TSA that we deal with now) always has and always will treat stupid jokes about bombs as serious threats. Like it or not, that's how they operate and everyone knows it. If you make a joke like that to the TSA you're going to get stomped. You'd have to be an idiot to expect any other outcome

Just because "they won't" listen to sarcasm, and you think it will mess up your day, doesn't mean the TSA is right or that he doesn't have a lawsuit.

I am nto saying his actions are in the same league as Rosa Parks, but the fact is back then people knew the bus driver "won't" let her sit up front and if she tried she would be arrested.

Louisiana_Sitar_Club: problem was that he claimed (even though it was just a stupid joke) that he had explosives with him.

Peopel shouldn't be arrested over stupid joke when there is

clearly no danger.
Why is this so hard to understand
?

So if I walk into a bank and say I have a bomb, but don't.  Is that OK?  There's no danger, why should I be arrested?  If I point a toy gun at a cop and yell 'bang' that's OK, too?  A stupid joke is putting exlax in a cookie.  A danger to public safety is saying you have explosives in an airport.  The First Amendment doesn't give people the right to do stupid things.  It gives you and I the right to speak out against the stupidity of the TSA.  It gives us the right to say this is all Obama's fault.  It doesn't give you the right to create a danger to public safety (saying you have a bomb, yelling fire, etc).  Just because this guy disagrees with the TSA doesn't mean he will have no consequences for his actions.  I think red light cameras are complete bullshiat.  Does that mean I can run red lights with impunity?  Of course not.  I think the age of consent should be 17, but if I bang a 17 year old does that mean it's cool?  Nope.  If people just walked around to pick and choose which rules they will and won't follow we would be in utter chaos.  We're damn near there as it is.
 
2013-02-13 12:01:28 PM  
The TSA is completely incompetent. The hijakings that led to their new powers were performed with box cutters and knives. Anyone read the article about the cupcakes and the sword? Cupcakes bad. Sword good.
Edged weapons aren't a threat its explosive cupcakes.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/tsa-confiscates-cupcakes-and-candy-allow s- man-to-walk-through-checkpoint-with-sword.html

For those of you saying good, airports are serious business you need to realize there is also this thing called common sense.
//Starting to wonder why they call it that when it's becoming very uncommon.
 
2013-02-13 12:03:01 PM  

DownDaRiver: I am not a litigious person. And I certianly agree that this dude is an asshat for making a B joke in a airport (i don't even want to use the word, yes my hat is shiny silver looking) and in front of a TSA agent.
But maybe more lawsuits like his is what it will take to put a leash on the TSA. Lets face it, the TSA isn't going anywhere. No amount of griping is going to make a billion dollar govmnt industry go away. But if more people backed up their claims of TSA misconduct and bumbling. Maybe, it could get them put to the fore front in congressinal oversight and hearings.
It doesn't have to cost much to file a lawsuit. Any body with a computer and HS level of english can find and use resources available to do it. Following through is more complicated. But they really wouldn't have to follow it thru to far. If enough people started stirring the pot, even if its a huge pot, it gets easier to do.


If you file a lawsuit and lose, which this guy will, he can be made to pay lawyer fees. Nothing like filing a frivolous suit, and getting a bill for $20K.
 
2013-02-13 12:08:52 PM  

runescorpio: For those of you saying good, airports are serious business you need to realize there is also this thing called common sense.
//Starting to wonder why they call it that when it's becoming very uncommon.


I completed agree that the TSA is BS. My wife was selected for "random additional screening" once. Since she was holding our 9 month old child when selected they said that had to screen the baby also. They put my daughters Barney flip-flops through the x-ray (this was before Reid tried to blow up his Nikes). They have no common sense, and really, would you trust your safety to any TSA agents common sense? Not that they keep us any safer.
 
2013-02-13 12:13:52 PM  

runescorpio: The TSA is completely incompetent. The hijakings that led to their new powers were performed with box cutters and knives. Anyone read the article about the cupcakes and the sword? Cupcakes bad. Sword good.
Edged weapons aren't a threat its explosive cupcakes.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/tsa-confiscates-cupcakes-and-candy-allow s- man-to-walk-through-checkpoint-with-sword.html

For those of you saying good, airports are serious business you need to realize there is also this thing called common sense.
//Starting to wonder why they call it that when it's becoming very uncommon.


Common sense dictates that you don't make a bomb joke while going through airport security.

Was making a joke like this okay pre-9/11? Hint: It wasn't.

I'd love to see the TSA disbanded, but this isn't the case that's going to do it, and it shouldn't be. Anyone trying to equate this with overzealous TSA dipshiats are either too young to have flown pre-9/11, or just hate the TSA so much (NTTAWTHT)  that they're blind to the facts here.
 
2013-02-13 12:24:49 PM  

Too Pretty For Prison: So if I walk into a bank and say I have a bomb, but don't. Is that OK? There's no danger, why should I be arrested? If I point a toy gun at a cop and yell 'bang' that's OK, too? A stupid joke is putting exlax in a cookie. A danger to public safety is saying you have explosives in an airport. The First Amendment doesn't give people the right to do stupid things. It gives you and I the right to speak out against the stupidity of the TSA. It gives us the right to say this is all Obama's fault. It doesn't give you the right to create a danger to public safety (saying you have a bomb, yelling fire, etc).


He wasn't "yelling" he had a bomb.  The TSA was already treating it as if it were dangerous, and he made a joke mocking the situation.  That is protected speech.


Just because this guy disagrees with the TSA doesn't mean he will have no consequences for his actions. I think red light cameras are complete bullshiat. Does that mean I can run red lights with impunity? Of course not. I think the age of consent should be 17, but if I bang a 17 year old does that mean it's cool? Nope. If people just walked around to pick and choose which rules they will and won't follow we would be in utter chaos. We're damn near there as it is

Red lights, and age of consent have ntohingt o do with a constitutionally protected right.
 
2013-02-13 12:28:17 PM  

oh_please: runescorpio: The TSA is completely incompetent. The hijakings that led to their new powers were performed with box cutters and knives. Anyone read the article about the cupcakes and the sword? Cupcakes bad. Sword good.
Edged weapons aren't a threat its explosive cupcakes.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/tsa-confiscates-cupcakes-and-candy-allow s- man-to-walk-through-checkpoint-with-sword.html

For those of you saying good, airports are serious business you need to realize there is also this thing called common sense.
//Starting to wonder why they call it that when it's becoming very uncommon.

Common sense dictates that you don't make a bomb joke while going through airport security.

Was making a joke like this okay pre-9/11? Hint: It wasn't.

I'd love to see the TSA disbanded, but this isn't the case that's going to do it, and it shouldn't be. Anyone trying to equate this with overzealous TSA dipshiats are either too young to have flown pre-9/11, or just hate the TSA so much (NTTAWTHT)  that they're blind to the facts here.


I for one don't want to see the TSA disbanded. I do, however, want the the true people in power of them, to pull their head out of their asses. I think the TSA is needed, just not in the capacity that they're in at the moment. People can police themselves, yes we do have nutjobs out there, but, the TSA in it's current capacity is not the answer. As I stated before, people need to quit letting the Government rule us, we are the true rulers of our kingdom. The sooner people realize this, the sooner we can be a society of people again, and not a monarchy that is supposed to keep us safe from unknowns.
 
2013-02-13 12:35:36 PM  
TSA dose not understand sarcasm.
The more you know.
 
2013-02-13 12:36:18 PM  

liam76: The TSA was already treating it as if it were dangerous, and he made a joke mocking the situation. That is protected speech.


Nope. This isn't a comedian on stage telling a joke, nor is it "satire", as someone else suggested upthread. He was in a situation where his speech could be reasonably construed as a threat. Wrong place, wrong time, not protected speech.
 
2013-02-13 12:42:12 PM  

CutBoard: MythDragon: liam76: If they knew he was talking about the peanut butter and they knew it wasn't a bomb it shouldn't have gone any further.

Much like how a republican gun nut™ waits for the day when he can murder someone with his concealed child-killer ©, a TSA agent longs for the day when someone makes an off-hand remark that he can use to fark up his whole day. Then he probably goes home and masturbates to the thought of how much power he has.

/came here to see if someone would bring political parties into this
//leaving satisfied.


You know what they say, "A day without some asshat bringing up political parties is a like a day with sunshine"
 
2013-02-13 12:43:21 PM  
Making jokes about bombs and explosives in an airport is against the law.

Get over it, you sue happy farks.
 
2013-02-13 12:46:28 PM  

MythDragon: You know what they say, "A day without some asshat bringing up political parties is a like a day with sunshine"


Ain't no sunshine on FARK, my friend. It's gotten much better since the election though...I almost gave up FARK for good during this last cycle.
 
2013-02-13 12:48:09 PM  

PainfulItching: All I can think of is Penn and Teller with the Steel Ball trick they used on each other pre 9/11. The one behind rolling a ball through each time the other had to walk through the metal detectors. Pretty funny actually.


i50.tinypic.com
 
2013-02-13 12:49:41 PM  

liam76: Too Pretty For Prison: So if I walk into a bank and say I have a bomb, but don't. Is that OK? There's no danger, why should I be arrested? If I point a toy gun at a cop and yell 'bang' that's OK, too? A stupid joke is putting exlax in a cookie. A danger to public safety is saying you have explosives in an airport. The First Amendment doesn't give people the right to do stupid things. It gives you and I the right to speak out against the stupidity of the TSA. It gives us the right to say this is all Obama's fault. It doesn't give you the right to create a danger to public safety (saying you have a bomb, yelling fire, etc).

He wasn't "yelling" he had a bomb.  The TSA was already treating it as if it were dangerous, and he made a joke mocking the situation.  That is protected speech.


Just because this guy disagrees with the TSA doesn't mean he will have no consequences for his actions. I think red light cameras are complete bullshiat. Does that mean I can run red lights with impunity? Of course not. I think the age of consent should be 17, but if I bang a 17 year old does that mean it's cool? Nope. If people just walked around to pick and choose which rules they will and won't follow we would be in utter chaos. We're damn near there as it is

Red lights, and age of consent have ntohingt o do with a constitutionally protected right.


I never said they did.  You made the comment that people shouldn't be held accountable for their actions (a joke) if they aren't actually going to do any damage.  I was pointing out the folly of that logic.  And, you need to read the First Amendment.  It does NOT give people the right to say whatever and wherever they want.  You can and will be held accountable if you "joke" that you have explosives in an airport or if you yell fire in a public place (and there is no fire).  I've moved on to a more interesting thread.  If you want to get the last word in, here's your chance.  Prove me wrong and go to a mall and shout fire then tell the cops you were just joking.  See how far your interpretation of the First Amendment gets you.
 
2013-02-13 12:55:29 PM  

oh_please: liam76: The TSA was already treating it as if it were dangerous, and he made a joke mocking the situation. That is protected speech.

Nope. This isn't a comedian on stage telling a joke, nor is it "satire", as someone else suggested upthread. He was in a situation where his speech could be reasonably construed as a threat. Wrong place, wrong time, not protected speech.


You don't need to eb a comedian to make s joke.

After a guy gets hassled about taking his peanutbutter, and he makes an offhanded joke about them confiscating his "explosives" a reasonable person should take that as serious?  I guess we have different definitions of reasonable.
 
2013-02-13 01:09:27 PM  

Too Pretty For Prison: I never said they did. You made the comment that people shouldn't be held accountable for their actions (a joke) if they aren't actually going to do any damage.


I never made that comment.

If he had yelled "bomb" I woudl be for going after huim, just like yelling "fire" in a theatre.  The difference here is he was clearly making a joke, hence there was no risk or appearance of risk to a reasonabel person.

Too Pretty For Prison: It does NOT give people the right to say whatever and wherever they want. You can and will be held accountable if you "joke" that you have explosives in an airport or if you yell fire in a public place (and there is no fire).


I have made it very clear there is adifference between a quite offhand joke, that you didn't inittiate (the TSA did by implying his peanutbutter was inherehtly dangerous enoguh it must be discarded) and shouting fire.

way to keep demonstrating your stupidity by failing to grasp the difference.
 
2013-02-13 01:10:40 PM  
As if a real bomber is going to say he has a bomb...
 
2013-02-13 01:12:23 PM  

Bilgewater: As if a real bomber is going to say he has a bomb...


After the "bomb" has been taken away...
 
2013-02-13 01:21:38 PM  

liam76: After a guy gets hassled about taking his peanutbutter, and he makes an offhanded joke about them confiscating his "explosives" a reasonable person should take that as serious? I guess we have different definitions of reasonable.


A reasonable person doesn't try and make a planeful of people explode. If they assume everyone is a terrorist (which they should - we shouldn't be TREATED as such, but suspected to be so until we clear the line), "reasonableness" doesn't enter into it.

A reasonable person can be trusted with nail clippers, box cutters, knives, a handgun (it's no less safe to have a handgun on a plane than it is to have one in a shopping mall - an accidental discharge on a plane would have worse consequences, but we all know that gun-carriers are always safe with their tools, yes?) and liquids on a plane.
 
2013-02-13 01:30:03 PM  

endmile: Harvey's Casino in 1980. They left a note that there was a bomb planted. There was, in fact, an actual bomb planted. The cops tried to disarm it using explosives and just ended up setting it off. It destroyed Harvey's and damaged Harrah's next door. http://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/2009/august/harvey_082609



Holy shiat...thanks for sharing that.
 
2013-02-13 01:30:54 PM  

liam76: oh_please: liam76: The TSA was already treating it as if it were dangerous, and he made a joke mocking the situation. That is protected speech.

Nope. This isn't a comedian on stage telling a joke, nor is it "satire", as someone else suggested upthread. He was in a situation where his speech could be reasonably construed as a threat. Wrong place, wrong time, not protected speech.

You don't need to eb a comedian to make s joke.

After a guy gets hassled about taking his peanutbutter, and he makes an offhanded joke about them confiscating his "explosives" a reasonable person should take that as serious?  I guess we have different definitions of reasonable.


Reasonable is in the eye of the beholder. Hassled he was not, he (in the article) made the statement. Maybe you as a snowflake need to learn reality, you don't piss in the wind, you don't tugg on Superman's cape and you don't pull the mask off of the ol' Lone Ranger and you don't mess around with Jim.

/subtle
/not really
 
2013-02-13 01:37:18 PM  

NightOwl2255: endmile: Harvey's Casino in 1980. They left a note that there was a bomb planted. There was, in fact, an actual bomb planted. The cops tried to disarm it using explosives and just ended up setting it off. It destroyed Harvey's and damaged Harrah's next door. http://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/2009/august/harvey_082609

FTA: A note left with the bomb-titled STERN WARNING TO THE MANAGEMENT AND BOMB SQUAD-began ominously: "Do not move or tilt this bomb, because the mechanism controlling the detonators in it will set it off at a movement of less than .01 of the open end Ricter scale.

That's a whole other thing. That's not calling in a bomb threat. That's leaving an object with a note. In the latter, that shows that the person was actually there, and there is an actual object. In that case, yes, clear the building.



Yeah, it's a little different, but it's still a bomb threat that was followed through on.

The_Sponge: Holy shiat...thanks for sharing that.


You're very welcome. Saw it an episode of FBI Files a few years ago.
 
2013-02-13 01:38:47 PM  

Xexi: Making jokes about bombs and explosives in an airport is against the law.

Get over it, you sue happy farks.


Then why didn't they charge him with that? Why slap him with a charge that has a very tenuous connection to reality?
 
2013-02-13 01:45:39 PM  

endmile: You're very welcome. Saw it an episode of FBI Files a few years ago.


Right on.

/Need to go back to Tahoe sometime.
//So awesome during the summer.
///Sacramento is roasting at 110F, and Tahoe is at 75F.
 
2013-02-13 01:48:06 PM  

Zlater: In 2007, i was working for a financial institution that I shall not name, but the job involved constant traveling. I was on the TSA line in Skyharbor airport, when my blackberry rung, and a change of venue ensued. My schedule now involved me going to my secondary branch for the week, first, and I was instructed to inform my contacts ASAP. This meant I had to speak to someone with the title of Branch Operations Manager, which was always referred to, with the titles Acronym. So mid phone call, without thinking of where I was due to the hasty change in arrangements, I confirmed with my direct manager verbally by saying, " OK, the plans are ramped up, I'll talk to the BOM right before I board to confirm ". Just like in the movies, I could almost hear the sound effect of situation clarity, and looked up to see about 10 people staring at me, mouth open, eyes wide. I scanned left to right, and all sound seemed to disappear for just a moment while the group waited for explanation it seemed.. I just said aloud, BRANCH OFFICE MANAGER, no worries really... and everybody returned to waiting in line.
Luckily for me, that's the end of that story. On the other hand, how Effing sad is it, that I could have been detained for any period of time at all, for that little verbal slip?


Sad? I think it would have been hilarious!

/all comedy is tragedy that happens to someone else.
 
2013-02-13 02:09:14 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: Zlater: In 2007, i was working for a financial institution that I shall not name, but the job involved constant traveling. I was on the TSA line in Skyharbor airport, when my blackberry rung, and a change of venue ensued. My schedule now involved me going to my secondary branch for the week, first, and I was instructed to inform my contacts ASAP. This meant I had to speak to someone with the title of Branch Operations Manager, which was always referred to, with the titles Acronym. So mid phone call, without thinking of where I was due to the hasty change in arrangements, I confirmed with my direct manager verbally by saying, " OK, the plans are ramped up, I'll talk to the BOM right before I board to confirm ". Just like in the movies, I could almost hear the sound effect of situation clarity, and looked up to see about 10 people staring at me, mouth open, eyes wide. I scanned left to right, and all sound seemed to disappear for just a moment while the group waited for explanation it seemed.. I just said aloud, BRANCH OFFICE MANAGER, no worries really... and everybody returned to waiting in line.
Luckily for me, that's the end of that story. On the other hand, how Effing sad is it, that I could have been detained for any period of time at all, for that little verbal slip?

Sad? I think it would have been hilarious!

/all comedy is tragedy that happens to someone else.


Sad?... I'm sure that in your thoughts it would be. Snowflakes.................
/all tragedy is comedy, unless it happens you
//Reality is a biatch
///too bad for you
///satire...foget about it
 
2013-02-13 02:32:44 PM  

Dr Dreidel: A reasonable person doesn't try and make a planeful of people explode. If they assume everyone is a terrorist (which they should - we shouldn't be TREATED as such, but suspected to be so until we clear the line), "reasonableness" doesn't enter into it.


Yes it does enter into it.  Otherwise they could demand everyoen to be silent and blindfolded.

CutBoard: Reasonable is in the eye of the beholder. Hassled he was not, he (in the article) made the statement.


Some moron claiming that technically peantubutter is liquid is "hassling" in my book (especially when it isn't on a TSA list)

CutBoard: Maybe you as a snowflake need to learn reality, you don't piss in the wind, you don't tugg on Superman's cape and you don't pull the mask off of the ol' Lone Ranger and you don't mess around with Jim.


It is pretty sad when not agreeing with jack booted TSA tactcs and stupid decisions abotu who to arrest gets you labeled a "snowflake".  The fact is there was no reason anybody above fungus level of intellegence would sincerely think he was a threat.  Criminalizing his speech when it is abundantly clear to anyone with a few brain cells to rub together that it wasn't a threat is a violation fo free speech.

Now in all likelyhood this guy is a douche.  His struggle isn't some brave stand to tyrannical TSA infringements on our rights.  And unless he was an idiot he should know the TSA would overreact, I still support him becasue that doesn't make TSA's overeaction right.  Rosa knew they were going to call the cops and likely arrest her, does that make her supporters "snow flakes"?
.
 
2013-02-13 02:45:22 PM  

liam76: Rosa knew they were going to call the cops and likely arrest her, does that make her supporters "snow flakes"?


Okay, we get it, this guy is standing up for freedom and civil rights just like Rosa Parks did.
 
2013-02-13 02:52:14 PM  

oh_please: liam76:

Now in all likelyhood this guy is a douche.  His struggle isn't some brave stand to tyrannical TSA infringements on our rights.  And unless he was an idiot he should know the TSA would overreact, I still support him becasue that doesn't make TSA's overeaction right. Rosa knew they were going to call the cops and likely arrest her, does that make her supporters "snow flakes"?

Okay, we get it, this guy is standing up for freedom and civil rights just like Rosa Parks did.


The part you cut out made it pretty clear he wasn't like Rosa Parks.

Did you somehow only read that last sentence or did you read the whole thing then decide to cherry pick that line and dishonestly pretend I was comparing him to Rosa Parks, vice pointing out that supporting someoen who does something knowing they will get into trouble doesn't make you a snow flake.
 
2013-02-13 03:30:23 PM  

dopekitty74: serial_crusher: Endive Wombat: Honestly, the only way I see the TSA disappearing is if we see another 9/11. There willl have to be huge missteps in passenger safety before a majority of politicians are motivated to do anything about it.

I really don't want to see the clusterfark that would ensue if the TSA got shut down on grounds that they didn't do enough to stop something.  What monstrosity would replace them in that case?

/ Actually I wouldn't mind if they had a way to just knock us out and stack us up in little coffin-like boxes for the duration of the flight, like on the 5th Element.  Would work around a lot of the hassles associated with travel.

What was the name of that Stephen King short story where it was like that for space travel, but one kid didn't take the pill/shot/whatever and ended up mad as a hatter? The Leap?


That would be the Jaunt
 
2013-02-13 03:37:33 PM  

liam76: oh_please: liam76: Now in all likelyhood this guy is a douche.  His struggle isn't some brave stand to tyrannical TSA infringements on our rights.  And unless he was an idiot he should know the TSA would overreact, I still support him becasue that doesn't make TSA's overeaction right. Rosa knew they were going to call the cops and likely arrest her, does that make her supporters "snow flakes"?

Okay, we get it, this guy is standing up for freedom and civil rights just like Rosa Parks did.

The part you cut out made it pretty clear he wasn't like Rosa Parks.

Did you somehow only read that last sentence or did you read the whole thing then decide to cherry pick that line and dishonestly pretend I was comparing him to Rosa Parks, vice pointing out that supporting someoen who does something knowing they will get into trouble doesn't make you a snow flake.


I'm not the one who put Rosa Parks (or "Rosa", as you call her) in the same paragraph as this dumbass. I didn't draw that parallel, you did.

Oh, and try to learn to type and spell on your phone. It's irritating.
 
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