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(Info Wars)   An Arizona man hopes to cash in on a $5 million payday for an innocent little joke about carrying explosive peanut butter on a plane   (infowars.com) divider line 158
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2013-02-13 06:24:03 AM
Every time we arrived at an airport, we ordered the kids never to say the 'b-word' or mention anything along those lines, even as a joke. Why can't people understand that? Imagine the fall out (hmm) if the TSA people just laughed off all the 'jokes' and then one wasn't a joke. Who would be laughing then? Hope the courts throw out this appalling legal action and ensure this chap pays all the legal costs for both sides.
 
2013-02-13 07:34:32 AM
This twit needs to learn when it is OK to act like a 15 year old, and when it is not. His kids must be proud.
 
2013-02-13 08:01:04 AM
Both the TSA and this guy are retarded.  Honestly, what grown adult or collection of grown adults do not know that you can buy peanut butter without stabilizers?  I suppose those who work for the TSA may be my answer...

Look, you can protest all you want, but the TSA is not going anywhere anytime soon.  Cracking jokes about bombs while in a security checkpoint line is pretty dumb.  I see it as walking the line of free speech and yelling "fire" in a movie theater...its in that grey area.

Did the TSA and NYPD overreact here?  No doubt.  Is this guy a class-a moran for making a bomb joke while in a security check line, you betcha!

Honestly, the only way I see the TSA disappearing is if we see another 9/11.  There willl have to be huge missteps in passenger safety before a majority of politicians are motivated to do anything about it.
 
2013-02-13 08:08:43 AM
People are always getting confused about this free speech thing. The first amendment will not bail this asshat out.
 
2013-02-13 08:13:49 AM

Endive Wombat: Look, you can protest all you want, but the TSA is not going anywhere anytime soon. Cracking jokes about bombs while in a security checkpoint line is pretty dumb. I see it as walking the line of free speech and yelling "fire" in a movie theater...its in that grey area.


If he had yelled, "bomb" I would agree.

There is no way a reasonable person would think it was explosive.

The factt hat he didn't tackles the person immedioately to keep him away fromt he "explosives" shows he didn't think it was a threat.

I hope he wins, because unfortunately in the US today that is the only thing that will keep these TSA morons in line.
 
2013-02-13 08:39:03 AM
Hannibal spent the next 24 hours in a cell, during which time he was fed a peanut butter sandwich by cops who later charged him with the felony of "falsely reporting an incident".

That's the best part of the story.  His lawsuit should go for more since they fed him the same dangerous liquids he was arrested over.

/I wonder if they made the sandwich using his "gourmet" peanut butter or their own.
 
2013-02-13 08:42:40 AM

Endive Wombat: Honestly, the only way I see the TSA disappearing is if we see another 9/11. There willl have to be huge missteps in passenger safety before a majority of politicians are motivated to do anything about it.


I really don't want to see the clusterfark that would ensue if the TSA got shut down on grounds that they didn't do enough to stop something.  What monstrosity would replace them in that case?

/ Actually I wouldn't mind if they had a way to just knock us out and stack us up in little coffin-like boxes for the duration of the flight, like on the 5th Element.  Would work around a lot of the hassles associated with travel.
 
2013-02-13 08:43:02 AM
That the TSA guys had never seen peanut butter separate is weird, but this guy was a dick.  There are some things you just don't do.  There is no sarcasm font. And if TSA guy is bewildered by your separating peanut butter, he probably won't pick up on your sarcasm voice either.  Hope the judge has the good sense to summarily dismiss this and remind this joker that talking about your explosives at the airport is not unlike yelling fire in the movie theatre.
 
2013-02-13 08:50:42 AM

softshoes: People are always getting confused about this free speech thing. The first amendment will not bail this asshat out.


This

/you are free to vocalize any "thought" that manages to wander across that wasteland between your ears
//that in no way implies that there will be no repercussions
 
2013-02-13 08:54:44 AM
All the deadliest and most effective terrorists make bomb jokes.  It's one of the best ways to ID them.

That said:  DON'T MAKE FARKING BOMB JOKES IN THE AIRPORT
 
2013-02-13 09:15:13 AM
If I were a judge I would not order anyone to pay this idiot a dime.
 
2013-02-13 09:15:25 AM
Dumb dude. You shouldn't have said it.  On the other hand the TSA still has rules that make no sense and provide zero protection.
 
2013-02-13 09:18:41 AM
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2013-02-13 09:18:48 AM
Yo, dawg, we heard you liked peanut butter so when you made a joke about peanut butter we took your peanut butter then gave you more peanut butter!
 
2013-02-13 09:18:58 AM
This is all a bunch of horse shiat as al qaeda is probably not going to use planes again, but will make us waste a ton of time and money for a fake feeling of security.

We are still doing everything the terrorists want us to do.
 
2013-02-13 09:20:44 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: /you are free to vocalize any "thought" that manages to wander across that wasteland between your ears
//that in no way implies that there will be no repercussions


Social repercussions such as people thinking the speaker is an asshat, etc, yes.  However if the repercussions are brought by the government because certain speech has been determined to have legal penalties, then by definition, the speaker isn't by any means "free" to vocalize any thought that wanders through his head.
 
2013-02-13 09:21:02 AM

colinspooky: Every time we arrived at an airport, we ordered the kids never to say the 'b-word' or mention anything along those lines, even as a joke. Why can't people understand that? Imagine the fall out (hmm) if the TSA people just laughed off all the 'jokes' and then one wasn't a joke. Who would be laughing then? Hope the courts throw out this appalling legal action and ensure this chap pays all the legal costs for both sides.


I go the opposite route.

I go with an explosives related keychain, t-shirt, the latest issue of the Journal of Explosives Engineers, and a copy of the Blaster's Handbook to read on the plane.
 
2013-02-13 09:21:19 AM

colinspooky: Every time we arrived at an airport, we ordered the kids never to say the 'b-word' or mention anything along those lines, even as a joke. Why can't people understand that? Imagine the fall out (hmm) if the TSA people just laughed off all the 'jokes' and then one wasn't a joke. Who would be laughing then? Hope the courts throw out this appalling legal action and ensure this chap pays all the legal costs for both sides.


Maybe we shouldn't let people fly at all, I mean what if something happens!?!?!!? The TSA will look bad! Hows about we look for actual bombs instead of dumping untold resources into jokes.
 
2013-02-13 09:21:42 AM
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2013-02-13 09:22:37 AM

colinspooky: Every time we arrived at an airport, we ordered the kids never to say the 'b-word' or mention anything along those lines, even as a joke. Why can't people understand that? Imagine the fall out (hmm) if the TSA people just laughed off all the 'jokes' and then one wasn't a joke. Who would be laughing then? Hope the courts throw out this appalling legal action and ensure this chap pays all the legal costs for both sides.

Yeah, cause the first thing someone carrying a bomb is gonna do is joke about carrying a bomb.

 
2013-02-13 09:22:46 AM
Please don't link to Infowars and give Alex Jones this traffic. That guy is dangerously paranoid.
 
2013-02-13 09:23:06 AM
As much as I hate the TSA, there's no way this guy is going to win, and he shouldn't. There's a time and place to be a smartass, an airport security check is not that time and place.

/you got to know when to hold 'em, know when to fold 'em....
 
2013-02-13 09:23:20 AM

Diogenes: DON'T MAKE FARKING BOMB JOKES IN THE AIRPORT


Also, don't snicker at the judge

Never look at the queen and say "How much?"

Hell, I'm Canadian, and I was told in the 70's by my father, to never make a bomb, explosive or hijack comment in an airport or plane.  This is not the TSA's fault - the PB guy is a moron.  I hope he gets zero for this suit
 
2013-02-13 09:24:32 AM
Real funny, Mr. Peanut Joke, I hope you're happy with yourself. Were there a few snickers from your friends, or did everybody realize it was a stupid thing to say? You've got to be a class A moron to think it was a good idea to joke around in front of TSA agents & their brittle nerves, I can only hope the judge has a sense of decorum & mocks you and your lawsuit.
 
2013-02-13 09:25:18 AM
Dear dumdum,

This kind of "joke" was taken seriously BEFORE 9/11.  You can fill one hand with the money you are gonna get from this case and take a dump in the other and see which one fills up faster.
 
2013-02-13 09:26:27 AM
I wish I got on that Jury, I'd give him 5 billion dollars.
 
2013-02-13 09:26:47 AM

djrfark: colinspooky: Every time we arrived at an airport, we ordered the kids never to say the 'b-word' or mention anything along those lines, even as a joke. Why can't people understand that? Imagine the fall out (hmm) if the TSA people just laughed off all the 'jokes' and then one wasn't a joke. Who would be laughing then? Hope the courts throw out this appalling legal action and ensure this chap pays all the legal costs for both sides.

Yeah, cause the first thing someone carrying a bomb is gonna do is joke about carrying a bomb.


Yeah, they will, if it means everyone just laughs and let's them through......
 
2013-02-13 09:27:39 AM
The TSA may be a bunch of a-holes, but the fact remains that YOU SHOULD NOT EVER JOKE ABOUT A BOMB AT AN AIRPORT.

It's kinda like trying to argue with a cop who's writing you a ticket -- even if you're right, it's not going to change a damn thing, and will probably make your situation worse.
 
2013-02-13 09:30:35 AM
If that's a photo of him in his backyard, then he's already pretty rich and judging by the looks of him he has a pretty high opinion of himself, too. He probably does think he's got an easy 5 million on the way.
 
2013-02-13 09:32:27 AM

GoodyearPimp: Dear dumdum,

This kind of "joke" was taken seriously BEFORE 9/11.  You can fill one hand with the money you are gonna get from this case and take a dump in the other and see which one fills up faster.


Being stupid in the past doesn't mean we should be stupid in the future. For all this worry about jokes and the massive resources and attention we give to the perpetrators, there must be good data that real bombers like to make jokes pre-flight right? Please tell me this isn't all theater. Once? Has it happened at least once in the history of US air travel?
 
2013-02-13 09:32:39 AM
I for one, welcome our nut-crushing overlords.

/TSA
//Or PBJ
///Works either way.
 
2013-02-13 09:32:49 AM
Hmmm, I wonder if a 16oz jar of peanut butter is on a list of banned carry on items the TSA provides the air traveling public?

http://www.tsa.gov/traveler-information/traveling-food-or-gifts

/Damn SKIPPY!
 
2013-02-13 09:34:39 AM

Satanic_Hamster: colinspooky: Every time we arrived at an airport, we ordered the kids never to say the 'b-word' or mention anything along those lines, even as a joke. Why can't people understand that? Imagine the fall out (hmm) if the TSA people just laughed off all the 'jokes' and then one wasn't a joke. Who would be laughing then? Hope the courts throw out this appalling legal action and ensure this chap pays all the legal costs for both sides.

I go the opposite route.

I go with an explosives related keychain, t-shirt, the latest issue of the Journal of Explosives Engineers, and a copy of the Blaster's Handbook to read on the plane.


Don't forget to eat Taco Bell for the explosive diarrhea.
 
2013-02-13 09:35:25 AM
"My whole life was up in the air. It was a nightmare. My children were overwhelmed. It was crazy."

Wait, I thought the whole problem is they wouldn't let you up in the air.  Get your story straight, man.
 
2013-02-13 09:35:49 AM
In 2007, i was working for a financial institution that I shall not name, but the job involved constant traveling. I was on the TSA line in Skyharbor airport, when my blackberry rung, and a change of venue ensued. My schedule now involved me going to my secondary branch for the week, first, and I was instructed to inform my contacts ASAP. This meant I had to speak to someone with the title of Branch Operations Manager, which was always referred to, with the titles Acronym. So mid phone call, without thinking of where I was due to the hasty change in arrangements, I confirmed with my direct manager verbally by saying, " OK, the plans are ramped up, I'll talk to the BOM right before I board to confirm ". Just like in the movies, I could almost hear the sound effect of situation clarity, and looked up to see about 10 people staring at me, mouth open, eyes wide. I scanned left to right, and all sound seemed to disappear for just a moment while the group waited for explanation it seemed.. I just said aloud, BRANCH OFFICE MANAGER, no worries really... and everybody returned to waiting in line.
Luckily for me, that's the end of that story. On the other hand, how Effing sad is it, that I could have been detained for any period of time at all, for that little verbal slip?
 
2013-02-13 09:35:58 AM

serial_crusher: Hannibal spent the next 24 hours in a cell, during which time he was fed a peanut butter sandwich by cops who later charged him with the felony of "falsely reporting an incident".

That's the best part of the story. His lawsuit should go for more since they fed him the same dangerous liquids he was arrested over.



Exactly. I certainly hope his suit makes the point that, if PB is sooooooo dangerous, why do they feed it to prisoners? And if it's NOT dangerous, why don't they let it on planes?
 
2013-02-13 09:36:18 AM

liam76: Endive Wombat: Look, you can protest all you want, but the TSA is not going anywhere anytime soon. Cracking jokes about bombs while in a security checkpoint line is pretty dumb. I see it as walking the line of free speech and yelling "fire" in a movie theater...its in that grey area.

If he had yelled, "bomb" I would agree.

There is no way a reasonable person would think it was explosive.

The factt hat he didn't tackles the person immedioately to keep him away fromt he "explosives" shows he didn't think it was a threat.

I hope he wins, because unfortunately in the US today that is the only thing that will keep these TSA morons in line.


You're an idiot.  This didn't happen because the TSA mistook peanut butter for a bomb.  This happened because he made a clear declaration that he had explosives with him.  From the article: "Hannibal then commented to his wife and children that 'They're looking to confiscate my explosives."
 
2013-02-13 09:37:09 AM

sno man: And if TSA guy is bewildered by your separating peanut butter, he probably won't pick up on your sarcasm voice either.


If the TSA guy is that stupid, then he is useless in his job and should be fired.
 
2013-02-13 09:38:25 AM
I said, "Yo baby, you da bomb."


$7 peanut butter?
 
2013-02-13 09:38:42 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: softshoes: People are always getting confused about this free speech thing. The first amendment will not bail this asshat out.

This

/you are free to vocalize any "thought" that manages to wander across that wasteland between your ears
//that in no way implies that there will be no repercussions


*Scanning article for reference to "free speech"* - None found.

This man is not suing because his 1st amendment rights were infringed upon. He's suing because he feels he was detained for no reason. I think the charge that they tried to pin on him supports his claim:

Hannibal spent the next 24 hours in a cell, during which time he was fed a peanut butter sandwich by cops who later charged him with the felony of "falsely reporting an incident".

Huh? He didn't report anything. He made a sarcastic remark. ANYONE who defends his arrest supports living in a police state. This is ridiculous. Talking shiat should not be a an arrestable offense. Especially if you don't direct your comments at the officer.
 
2013-02-13 09:38:43 AM
I seriously doubt anybody was confused or bewildered by the separated peanut butter. if the liquid separated from the solid, you can't carry it on the plane.

TSA would probably consider peanut butter a liquid or gel or cream. So he wasn't getting on the plane with his gourmet peanut butter anyway. This is probably what got him pissed and turned him into a jackass.

http://www.seatguru.com/articles/tsa_p rohibited_items.php
 
2013-02-13 09:38:46 AM
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Loves it when a plan comes together.
 
2013-02-13 09:40:29 AM
This guy is a real
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2013-02-13 09:40:33 AM

MythDragon: [25.media.tumblr.com image 300x220]
Loves it when a plan comes together.


Came for this.
 
2013-02-13 09:40:35 AM

olderbudnoweiser: Hmmm, I wonder if a 16oz jar of peanut butter is on a list of banned carry on items the TSA provides the air traveling public?

http://www.tsa.gov/traveler-information/traveling-food-or-gifts

/Damn SKIPPY!


"Here's a list of liquid, aerosol and gel items..."

Peanut butter is none of those.

Damn government, first ketchup is a vegetable, now peanut butter is a liquid.
 
2013-02-13 09:43:34 AM

MythDragon: This guy is a real
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That stuff is a crime against humanity.

Even if it is Smucker's, it's not always good.
 
2013-02-13 09:43:47 AM

colinspooky: Yeah, they will, if it means everyone just laughs and let's them through......


Right, cause those are the only two options when dealing with someone making an obvious joke.  Immediately arrest them, or immediately let them on the plane.
 
2013-02-13 09:44:52 AM

Louisiana_Sitar_Club: This happened because he made a clear declaration that he had explosives with him. From the article: "Hannibal then commented to his wife and children that 'They're looking to confiscate my explosives."


And I'm King of the Universe.

Oooh, that means, since I said it, you think it is literally true. Let's try this: You owe me $1,000,000! Pay up, biatch!

... or do what the TSA can't, and recognize farking sarcasm.
 
2013-02-13 09:45:16 AM

liam76: Endive Wombat: Look, you can protest all you want, but the TSA is not going anywhere anytime soon. Cracking jokes about bombs while in a security checkpoint line is pretty dumb. I see it as walking the line of free speech and yelling "fire" in a movie theater...its in that grey area.

If he had yelled, "bomb" I would agree.

There is no way a reasonable person would think it was explosive.

The factt hat he didn't tackles the person immedioately to keep him away fromt he "explosives" shows he didn't think it was a threat.

I hope he wins, because unfortunately in the US today that is the only thing that will keep these TSA morons in line.


Pfft.  This isn't a TSA thing.  A friend of mine got pulled into a room and questioned for hours for making a bomb joke in an airport 20 years before 9/11.  He was a college kid, and most likely drunk, so it's almost understandable that he didn't know any better, but nowadays?  How does anyone not know that making a bomb joke in an airport will get you in trouble?

\go find an open mic night, if you think you're so witty
\\no sympathy for idiots like this
 
2013-02-13 09:45:41 AM

DROxINxTHExWIND: Hannibal spent the next 24 hours in a cell, during which time he was fed a peanut butter sandwich by cops who later charged him with the felony of "falsely reporting an incident".

Huh? He didn't report anything. He made a sarcastic remark



Yup- the TSA guy did. Arrest HIM!
 
2013-02-13 09:46:11 AM
I think it's interesting that he's suing the TSA agent as well as the TSA.

If he wins this will hopefully put the fear of god in those guys.

Plus a bunch of TSA agents are moonlighting from another Federal job, because they get very favorable tax benefits out of it (read: very low tax rate on those wages).  So you have a bunch of people who just worked 8 hours at Federal Bureau of what ever and then they go work at the TSA. They're already tired and grumpy when they get there.  Add a god complex to that and what did anyone think would happen?
 
2013-02-13 09:46:12 AM

djrfark: colinspooky: Every time we arrived at an airport, we ordered the kids never to say the 'b-word' or mention anything along those lines, even as a joke. Why can't people understand that? Imagine the fall out (hmm) if the TSA people just laughed off all the 'jokes' and then one wasn't a joke. Who would be laughing then? Hope the courts throw out this appalling legal action and ensure this chap pays all the legal costs for both sides.

Yeah, cause the first thing someone carrying a bomb is gonna do is joke about carrying a bomb.


What;'s the First Rule of the Bomb Joke Club?

Seriously, as someone who was flying for a long time before 9/11 & the TSA, it was never, ever acceptable to engage in any explosives related talk while in a security line. People got twitchy in the olden days, too.
 
2013-02-13 09:46:43 AM

Jake Havechek: MythDragon: This guy is a real
[i.walmartimages.com image 500x500]

That stuff is a crime against humanity.

Even if it is Smucker's, it's not always good.


It's no "Mangled Baby Ducks" to be sure.
 
2013-02-13 09:47:01 AM
I hope they pick me for that jury trial. nothing would make me happier than seeing the TSA DIAF.
Fark those bureaubloats to hell.
 
2013-02-13 09:47:15 AM
Alright so this dude should get nothing and criminal charges should be dropped. Looks to me like the TSA just got out dumbassed.
 
2013-02-13 09:49:01 AM
All I can think of is Penn and Teller with the Steel Ball trick they used on each other pre 9/11. The one behind rolling a ball through each time the other had to walk through the metal detectors. Pretty funny actually.

But joking about a bomb anywhere near a TSA agent (and they do have plainclothes guys wandering the airport too) is lunacy. You don't even talk about a movie "bombing" at the box office, or some song "blowing up" the charts.

Just like most normal people wouldn't curse in church, there are just certain things you don't do in certain places, unless you have Alzheimer's, Tourettes, are you are 7. There's free speech, and then there's being a dumbass.

TSA agents don't get paid enough, even though they have their share of numbnuts. But they are not going to be the one who let someone on a plane with something destructive if they can help it. Overzealous? Sure. But could you ever sleep at night if you were the one who cleared someone who did something like that? If confiscating a jar of peanut butter makes me sleep better as a TSA agent (I am not one by the way, but a frequent flyer), no problem for me. Like that silly little bitach who flipped off a judge in Miami a few days back. Stupid is as stupid does.
 
2013-02-13 09:52:34 AM

GoodyearPimp: This kind of "joke" was taken seriously BEFORE 9/11.


WAY before 911. I remember a MAD magazine Lighter Side Of... cartoon where the passengers are walking through the terminal and one of them asks what the inflight movie is, and when he's told, he says, "Ugh, not that bomb" and cops jump him from all sides. That was 30+ years ago. I can't find it, but someone else has to remember this, right?
 
2013-02-13 09:53:04 AM

Earl of Chives: GoodyearPimp: Dear dumdum,

This kind of "joke" was taken seriously BEFORE 9/11.  You can fill one hand with the money you are gonna get from this case and take a dump in the other and see which one fills up faster.

Being stupid in the past doesn't mean we should be stupid in the future. For all this worry about jokes and the massive resources and attention we give to the perpetrators, there must be good data that real bombers like to make jokes pre-flight right? Please tell me this isn't all theater. Once? Has it happened at least once in the history of US air travel?


Don't give the TSA a reason to look at you one second longer than is necessary. You probably don't want to waste the time, and they'll make you pay twice as hard for farking with their day.

So try not to say any of the individual syllables that make up the words "bomb", "terrorist/ism", "al Qaeda" (best not to travel with anyone named Albert, Alfred, Albemarle or Kayden/Caden/Qayddin)anywhere near where the TSA might be listening. It's an airport, not your office.
 
2013-02-13 09:54:51 AM

fredklein: ... or do what the TSA can't, and recognize farking sarcasm.


That's exactly the point.  Although, it's not that they can't recognize sarcasm, it's that they won't.  I don't like the TSA anymore than anyone else but every single person knows from ample precedents that airport security (both pre-911 and the TSA that we deal with now) always has and always will treat stupid jokes about bombs as serious threats.  Like it or not, that's how they operate and everyone knows it.  If you make a joke like that to the TSA you're going to get stomped.  You'd have to be an idiot to expect any other outcome.
 
2013-02-13 09:55:01 AM
I realize that everyone is supposed to know not to make jokes about this shiat, and TSA is not at liberty to guess what's a joke and what's serious.  They had every right to keep him off the plane.  But charging him with a felony and holding him in a cell for 24 hours seems excessive.

And to my ears, "falsely reporting an incident" sounds like the wrong charge in any case.  A quick Google search turned up this discussion.  On element of the crime, clearly, is a "report," which the statute does not appear to define.  But I would expect it to require an intentional communication to a law enforcement or safety official.  Is it a "report" when you say something to a family member that happens to be within earshot of a safety official?  Intuitively, that just doesn't sound like a "report" to me.  There's probably case law on the matter, but if not, that's what I would be arguing if I were this guy's lawyer.
 
2013-02-13 09:55:04 AM

tylerdurden217: Please don't link to Infowars and give Alex Jones this traffic. That guy is dangerously paranoid.


This.
 
2013-02-13 09:55:55 AM
Almost clicked the link but saw the Infowars logo just in time.
 
2013-02-13 09:55:56 AM
*OR you are 7

/self correcting grammer mini nazi.
//I needed water. When you talk a lot, this happens.
 
2013-02-13 10:01:41 AM
While the TSA hate is well founded, if this leaking dickhead would have made that little joke 15 years ago he would have ended up in a little room talking to unsmiling men. He may not have been arrested, but making a (false) statement that you have explosives while going through security at an airport has never been a good idea.
 
2013-02-13 10:03:24 AM
Saw this (not my pic) sign last time I flew:
www.advicegoddess.com

I guess they are fed up with people being fed up with them for being assholes. So they get to treat you like shiat, but if you give them lip back, you're the bad guy.
 
2013-02-13 10:05:48 AM

MythDragon: Saw this (not my pic) sign last time I flew:
[www.advicegoddess.com image 375x500]

I guess they are fed up with people being fed up with them for being assholes. So they get to treat you like shiat, but if you give them lip back, you're the bad guy.


Also that sign seems contradictory first is says that you shouldn't verbally abuse them, then it says to give them the respect they deserve. Well, which is it?
 
2013-02-13 10:07:54 AM
Yeah, but what if they let it slide and then it explodered and spread its peanut-buttery gooberness all over the cabin. Then the TSA would look like idiots.
 
2013-02-13 10:09:23 AM

MythDragon: Saw this (not my pic) sign last time I flew:
[www.advicegoddess.com image 375x500]

I guess they are fed up with people being fed up with them for being assholes. So they get to treat you like shiat, but if you give them lip back, you're the bad guy.


Wow.  Just...wow.  It's one thing to say "these are the rules, please follow them."  But that tone is disturbing.

Kiss the boot.
 
2013-02-13 10:11:21 AM

rwa2: Yeah, but what if they let it slide and then it explodered and spread its peanut-buttery gooberness all over the cabin. Then the TSA would look like idiots.


We were about to take off and everyone had to deplane once because one passenger had peanut allergies and they served peanuts on the prior flight.  They had to fumigate or clean or something.

Peanuts must be like dirty bombs.
 
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2013-02-13 10:15:22 AM
 
2013-02-13 10:16:42 AM

Dr Dreidel: Earl of Chives: GoodyearPimp: Dear dumdum,

This kind of "joke" was taken seriously BEFORE 9/11.  You can fill one hand with the money you are gonna get from this case and take a dump in the other and see which one fills up faster.

Being stupid in the past doesn't mean we should be stupid in the future. For all this worry about jokes and the massive resources and attention we give to the perpetrators, there must be good data that real bombers like to make jokes pre-flight right? Please tell me this isn't all theater. Once? Has it happened at least once in the history of US air travel?

Don't give the TSA a reason to look at you one second longer than is necessary. You probably don't want to waste the time, and they'll make you pay twice as hard for farking with their day.

So try not to say any of the individual syllables that make up the words "bomb", "terrorist/ism", "al Qaeda" (best not to travel with anyone named Albert, Alfred, Albemarle or Kayden/Caden/Qayddin)anywhere near where the TSA might be listening. It's an airport, not your office.


Sure. We have unlimited resources. Let's waste time/attention/money on jokes. Just because there isn't a shred of evidence a real bomber likes to makes jokes is no reason not to really stomp some farkers.
 
2013-02-13 10:17:49 AM

Louisiana_Sitar_Club: You're an idiot. This didn't happen because the TSA mistook peanut butter for a bomb. This happened because he made a clear declaration that he had explosives with him. From the article: "Hannibal then commented to his wife and children that 'They're looking to confiscate my explosives


Too stupid to recognize that the peanut butter was the "explosive" in question?  The context of them talking about peanut butter, and commenting how they were confused about it seperating didn't clue you in to that?

Even if the peabutbutter wasn;t the explosive, they still shoudl have tackled him to keep him away from any of the luggage or stuff that could explode.  They didn't.  They didn't think it was a real threat.
 
2013-02-13 10:23:17 AM
You guys are some farking pansy asses.  Dogpiling on him for making fun of the TSA.   What he said was obviously satire meant to insult the intelligence of the TSO.  Getting arrested for it was just their vengeance.   I hope he wins in court, this isn't a "fire in a theater" situation, this was him talking to his family about the ridiculous state of airport security in this nation.
 
2013-02-13 10:25:32 AM

NightOwl2255: While the TSA hate is well founded, if this leaking dickhead would have made that little joke 15 years ago he would have ended up in a little room talking to unsmiling men. He may not have been arrested, but making a (false) statement that you have explosives while going through security at an airport has never been a good idea.


Smh. Why do you think this is cool?
 
2013-02-13 10:26:05 AM
Skippy chunky peanut butter is great.  How could you ever have some of that and think, "no, not good enough.  I want some peanut butter where the oil separates and I have to stir it back in."
 
2013-02-13 10:26:12 AM

liam76: Louisiana_Sitar_Club: You're an idiot. This didn't happen because the TSA mistook peanut butter for a bomb. This happened because he made a clear declaration that he had explosives with him. From the article: "Hannibal then commented to his wife and children that 'They're looking to confiscate my explosives

Too stupid to recognize that the peanut butter was the "explosive" in question?  The context of them talking about peanut butter, and commenting how they were confused about it seperating didn't clue you in to that?

Even if the peabutbutter wasn;t the explosive, they still shoudl have tackled him to keep him away from any of the luggage or stuff that could explode.  They didn't.  They didn't think it was a real threat.



I'm sure they knew he was talking about the peanut butter.  I'm sure they knew it wasn't really a bomb.  I addressed this issue specifically and in detail in my last post.  In case you missed it, here it is:

"That's exactly the point.  Although, it's not that they can't recognize sarcasm, it's that they won't.  I don't like the TSA anymore than anyone else but every single person knows from ample precedents that airport security (both pre-911 and the TSA that we deal with now) always has and always will treat stupid jokes about bombs as serious threats.  Like it or not, that's how they operate and everyone knows it.  If you make a joke like that to the TSA you're going to get stomped.  You'd have to be an idiot to expect any other outcome."

As stated in my original post, the problem is not that they thought the peanut butter was a bomb.  The problem was that he claimed (even though it was just a stupid joke) that he had explosives with him.
Why is this so hard to understand?
 
2013-02-13 10:33:28 AM

liam76: Louisiana_Sitar_Club: You're an idiot. This didn't happen because the TSA mistook peanut butter for a bomb. This happened because he made a clear declaration that he had explosives with him. From the article: "Hannibal then commented to his wife and children that 'They're looking to confiscate my explosives

Too stupid to recognize that the peanut butter was the "explosive" in question?  The context of them talking about peanut butter, and commenting how they were confused about it seperating didn't clue you in to that?

Even if the peabutbutter wasn;t the explosive, they still shoudl have tackled him to keep him away from any of the luggage or stuff that could explode.  They didn't.  They didn't think it was a real threat.


They KNOW it's not a real threat.  Do you think they put the confiscated hair gel, Diet Cokes, and hand lotion in a big bin right next to where they stand all day thinking it's a bomb?  Of course not.  It's a dog and pony show - but it's a dog and pony show that is current law.  This guy decided to be an asshat.  Every person knows you don't joke about bombs at the airport.  Every person knows you can't take liquids through security.  His douche-baggery backfired or perhaps his plan all along to try to get a payday.  Either way, he deserved what he got.  Did the TSA overreact?  Yes, and they did exactly what the dog and pony show says they are supposed to do.  It gives us all a warm fuzzy knowing he didn't get his peanut butter on-board the plane.  Meanwhile, the crazy-looking dude that is shouting to Allah gets to walk right on the plane because giving him any shiat would be racial profiling.
 
2013-02-13 10:37:39 AM

Earl of Chives: Sure. We have unlimited resources. Let's waste time/attention/money on jokes. Just because there isn't a shred of evidence a real bomber likes to makes jokes is no reason not to really stomp some farkers


Let's all agree that Real Bombers don't make bomb jokes, just for the sake of argument (because I don't feel like researching it).  OK? Ok.

The real question is: Do Real Bombers make threats about having bombs?

Because if they do, then TSA probably does not want one of their mouthbreathers making the determination between what is a "joke" and what was a "threat".  I kinda get that.
 
2013-02-13 10:37:58 AM
I've seen stupid shiate like this all the time, it seems like every other time I'm in an airport somebody is freaking out and screaming I'M GOING TO MISS MY FLIGHT and attempting to sprint through the metal detector like a freaking madman or having a nervous breakdown because somebody wants them to throw away their Big Gulp.

Yes sir, now you are definitely going to miss your flight.
 
2013-02-13 10:38:32 AM

Earl of Chives: Let's waste time/attention/money on jokes.


We only know they're jokes after the fact. Best leave the humor to everywhere outside an airport.
 
2013-02-13 10:39:23 AM
noclipmode.com

Not my picture, but saw one of these at Newark International.
 
2013-02-13 10:40:04 AM

litespeed74: Dumb dude. You shouldn't have said it.  On the other hand the TSA still has rules that make no sense and provide zero protection.



Bingo.

The guy was definitely a moron, but I hate the TSA a lot more.
 
2013-02-13 10:40:25 AM

Too Pretty For Prison: liam76: Louisiana_Sitar_Club: You're an idiot. This didn't happen because the TSA mistook peanut butter for a bomb. This happened because he made a clear declaration that he had explosives with him. From the article: "Hannibal then commented to his wife and children that 'They're looking to confiscate my explosives

Too stupid to recognize that the peanut butter was the "explosive" in question?  The context of them talking about peanut butter, and commenting how they were confused about it seperating didn't clue you in to that?

Even if the peabutbutter wasn;t the explosive, they still shoudl have tackled him to keep him away from any of the luggage or stuff that could explode.  They didn't.  They didn't think it was a real threat.

They KNOW it's not a real threat.  Do you think they put the confiscated hair gel, Diet Cokes, and hand lotion in a big bin right next to where they stand all day thinking it's a bomb?  Of course not.  It's a dog and pony show - but it's a dog and pony show that is current law.  This guy decided to be an asshat.  Every person knows you don't joke about bombs at the airport.  Every person knows you can't take liquids through security.  His douche-baggery backfired or perhaps his plan all along to try to get a payday.  Either way, he deserved what he got.  Did the TSA overreact?  Yes, and they did exactly what the dog and pony show says they are supposed to do.  It gives us all a warm fuzzy knowing he didn't get his peanut butter on-board the plane.  Meanwhile, the crazy-looking dude that is shouting to Allah gets to walk right on the plane because giving him any shiat would be racial profiling.


Want to know why you can't take liquids on the plane?  They were given a device that could detect how explosive it is, but since it used laser light, they couldn't trust the TSO's not to shine it in their eyes or passenger's eyes and cause damage.  So it was never deployed.

They actually did a study for that UV flashlight when they check your license/passport to make sure that staring into it for 30 minutes straight wouldn't damage someone's eyesight.
 
2013-02-13 10:42:23 AM
having made bomb jokes in line at the airport I'm really getting a kick out of this. I blame George Carlin. He should get a few grand maybe. Heck I know someone who got 50K out of a major department store for false imprisonment after being wrongly held for a few hours.  It could have been settled right there by giving him a real hard time then sending him on his way.
 
2013-02-13 10:44:13 AM

Girion47: Want to know why you can't take liquids on the plane? They were given a device that could detect how explosive it is, but since it used laser light, they couldn't trust the TSO's not to shine it in their eyes or passenger's eyes and cause damage. So it was never deployed.


TSA employees:

Worse than special ed kids.
 
2013-02-13 10:45:36 AM

damn yanks: Alright so this dude should get nothing and criminal charges should be dropped. Looks to me like the TSA just got out dumbassed.


Not really.   No reasonable person would ever think that peanut butter was explosive.
 
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2013-02-13 10:45:53 AM
sno man : if TSA guy is bewildered by your separating peanut butter, he probably

...Shouldn't have a job that requires him to evaluate a variety of common objects, including foods, for their level of risk to an airplane.
 
2013-02-13 10:46:21 AM

RedT: Earl of Chives: Sure. We have unlimited resources. Let's waste time/attention/money on jokes. Just because there isn't a shred of evidence a real bomber likes to makes jokes is no reason not to really stomp some farkers

Let's all agree that Real Bombers don't make bomb jokes, just for the sake of argument (because I don't feel like researching it).  OK? Ok.

The real question is: Do Real Bombers make threats about having bombs?

Because if they do, then TSA probably does not want one of their mouthbreathers making the determination between what is a "joke" and what was a "threat".  I kinda get that.


Awhile back I worked for a large company HQ'ed in downtown Oklahoma City. We were standing in the street waiting for the police and fire people to clear the building after a called in bomb threat. Of course no bomb was found. We all agreeded that bomb threats shold be ignored. We could not think of a time in the US (unlike Northern Ireland) in which a person called in a real bomb threat, but there are hundreds, if not thousands of fake ones called in. And we were two blocks away from where the federal building used to stand before being blown up. And of course, no call was made before blowing it up.
 
2013-02-13 10:47:18 AM
The guy is foolish, he could have humbled himself out of the problem, saying he had made a bad joke, it was dumb, and he was sorry.  Confronted with that attitude, I believe the TSA would have sent him on his way.
 
2013-02-13 10:47:31 AM

Dr Dreidel: Earl of Chives: Let's waste time/attention/money on jokes.

We only know they're jokes after the fact. Best leave the humor to everywhere outside an airport.


Fine, jokes are subjective. So how many real bombers have there been, who made a statement at the airport that they have a bomb - joking or not?
 
2013-02-13 10:47:32 AM

The_Sponge: Girion47: Want to know why you can't take liquids on the plane? They were given a device that could detect how explosive it is, but since it used laser light, they couldn't trust the TSO's not to shine it in their eyes or passenger's eyes and cause damage. So it was never deployed.

TSA employees:

Worse than special ed kids.


I had to do a lot of research for them once because they all started thinking that wearing MBT's and Skecher Shape-Ups would be a good idea.

Shoes that intentionally alter your balance, while your job is to stand all day.   Yeah....no.
 
2013-02-13 10:49:16 AM

MythDragon: So they get to treat you like shiat, but if you give them lip back, you're the bad guy.


No- read it again. it says to "give them the respect they deserve". They deserve none, so....
 
2013-02-13 10:50:02 AM

Glancing Blow: The guy is foolish, he could have humbled himself out of the problem, saying he had made a bad joke, it was dumb, and he was sorry.  Confronted with that attitude, I believe the TSA would have sent him on his way.


I doubt it. The TSA has zero humor about explosives. Once he made the "joke" he was farked. He was going to be denied boarding and talked to at the very least. And most likely will end up on the no fly list.
 
2013-02-13 10:50:11 AM

Girion47: They actually did a study for that UV flashlight when they check your license/passport to make sure that staring into it for 30 minutes straight wouldn't damage someone's eyesight.


That's BS. Anything 460nm or below has potential to damage eyesight, especially higher-energy wavelengths like UV. You can trigger, or accelerate, macular degeneration.

Wanna know how I know? My LED lighting business is required to state the class 2 (or class 3 depending upon power of the diode) direct hazard to your eyesight on all products and the website. BY REGULATION.
 
2013-02-13 10:51:18 AM

khyberkitsune: Girion47: They actually did a study for that UV flashlight when they check your license/passport to make sure that staring into it for 30 minutes straight wouldn't damage someone's eyesight.

That's BS. Anything 460nm or below has potential to damage eyesight, especially higher-energy wavelengths like UV. You can trigger, or accelerate, macular degeneration.

Wanna know how I know? My LED lighting business is required to state the class 2 (or class 3 depending upon power of the diode) direct hazard to your eyesight on all products and the website. BY REGULATION.


Okay, take that up with the Army Optics Research Lab who cleared it for use.
 
2013-02-13 10:52:40 AM
And in the second act he will jokingly threaten to kill the president.
 
2013-02-13 10:56:24 AM

Girion47: Okay, take that up with the Army Optics Research Lab who cleared it for use.


AORL isn't exactly the brightest bulb in the bunch (no pun intended.)

UV PERIOD is bad to shine in someone's eyes. Sure, we've got SOME filtration (that gets removed if you have cataract surgery) but given the narrow emission angle of the stated lights, these put the overall photon flux density at VERY high levels.

And if they're using UVB wavelengths, even worse. We don't have a way to filter that out (and many UV diodes start with a UVB base and convert some light to UVA/visible blue.)
 
2013-02-13 10:57:10 AM

Louisiana_Sitar_Club: liam76: Louisiana_Sitar_Club: You're an idiot. This didn't happen because the TSA mistook peanut butter for a bomb. This happened because he made a clear declaration that he had explosives with him. From the article: "Hannibal then commented to his wife and children that 'They're looking to confiscate my explosives

Too stupid to recognize that the peanut butter was the "explosive" in question? The context of them talking about peanut butter, and commenting how they were confused about it seperating didn't clue you in to that?

Even if the peabutbutter wasn;t the explosive, they still shoudl have tackled him to keep him away from any of the luggage or stuff that could explode. They didn't. They didn't think it was a real threat.


I'm sure they knew he was talking about the peanut butter.


If they knew he was talking about the peanut butter and they knew it wasn't a bomb it shouldn't have gone any further.


Louisiana_Sitar_Club: Although, it's not that they can't recognize sarcasm, it's that they won't. I don't like the TSA anymore than anyone else but every single person knows from ample precedents that airport security (both pre-911 and the TSA that we deal with now) always has and always will treat stupid jokes about bombs as serious threats. Like it or not, that's how they operate and everyone knows it. If you make a joke like that to the TSA you're going to get stomped. You'd have to be an idiot to expect any other outcome


Just because "they won't" listen to sarcasm, and you think it will mess up your day, doesn't mean the TSA is right or that he doesn't have a lawsuit.

I am nto saying his actions are in the same league as Rosa Parks, but the fact is back then people knew the bus driver "won't" let her sit up front and if she tried she would be arrested.

Louisiana_Sitar_Club: problem was that he claimed (even though it was just a stupid joke) that he had explosives with him.


Peopel shouldn't be arrested over s tupid joke whent here is clearly no danger.
Why is this so hard to understand?

Too Pretty For Prison: They KNOW it's not a real threat. Do you think they put the confiscated hair gel, Diet Cokes, and hand lotion in a big bin right next to where they stand all day thinking it's a bomb? Of course not. It's a dog and pony show - but it's a dog and pony show that is current law. This guy decided to be an asshat. Every person knows you don't joke about bombs at the airport. Every person knows you can't take liquids through security. His douche-baggery backfired or perhaps his plan all along to try to get a payday. Either way, he deserved what he got. Did the TSA overreact? Yes, and they did exactly what the dog and pony show says they are supposed to do. It gives us all a warm fuzzy knowing he didn't get his peanut butter on-board the plane. Meanwhile, the crazy-looking dude that is shouting to Allah gets to walk right on the plane because giving him any shiat would be racial profiling


Being an asshat isn't against the law.

I woudl have no problem witht he agent if they tossed his peanut butter.  I think the rule is stupid, but at least it is consitutional.
 
2013-02-13 11:04:42 AM

Too Pretty For Prison: Meanwhile, the crazy-looking dude that is shouting to Allah gets to walk right on the plane because giving him any shiat would be racial profiling.


Yeah, about that, 9 Muslims Are Pulled From Plane and Denied Re-entry; Airline Apologizes Next Day
 
2013-02-13 11:06:07 AM

Earl of Chives: Dr Dreidel: Earl of Chives: Let's waste time/attention/money on jokes.

We only know they're jokes after the fact. Best leave the humor to everywhere outside an airport.

Fine, jokes are subjective. So how many real bombers have there been, who made a statement at the airport that they have a bomb - joking or not?


I am absolutely sure it doesn't matter.
 
2013-02-13 11:07:19 AM

khyberkitsune: Girion47: Okay, take that up with the Army Optics Research Lab who cleared it for use.

AORL isn't exactly the brightest bulb in the bunch (no pun intended.)

UV PERIOD is bad to shine in someone's eyes. Sure, we've got SOME filtration (that gets removed if you have cataract surgery) but given the narrow emission angle of the stated lights, these put the overall photon flux density at VERY high levels.

And if they're using UVB wavelengths, even worse. We don't have a way to filter that out (and many UV diodes start with a UVB base and convert some light to UVA/visible blue.)


All we were concerned about is some idiot staring at the light and filing for Workman's Comp.  Our job was to reduce the amount of injuries being claimed by the TSA because in their first 4 years they had managed to catch up to the Post Office for number of injuries.
 
2013-02-13 11:13:28 AM

colinspooky: Every time we arrived at an airport, we ordered the kids never to say the 'b-word' or mention anything along those lines, even as a joke. Why can't people understand that? Imagine the fall out (hmm) if the TSA people just laughed off all the 'jokes' and then one wasn't a joke. Who would be laughing then? Hope the courts throw out this appalling legal action and ensure this chap pays all the legal costs for both sides.


Agreed, I am willing to sacrifice my freedom for the illusion of safety comrade, ::bootclick salute:: Heil!

We must not question the law!!  because it's..the LAW!!  ::goosestepping::
 
2013-02-13 11:15:31 AM

oh_please: As much as I hate the TSA, there's no way this guy is going to win, and he shouldn't. There's a time and place to be a smartass, an airport security check is not that time and place.

/you got to know when to hold 'em, know when to fold 'em....


You nailed this one on the head. But, maybe, and just maybe it's time for someone to take the TSA to task. We can't keep giving up liberty because we're scared little critters. Even though I agree totally that this guy won't see a penny and his sarcasm was incorrectly employed in the wrong place, it's a step in the right direction to start removing ourselves from the grip of government stooges. I'm not downplaying TSA employees, heck, they're people too, they need jobs just as many do. Maybe, it's us that need to be taken to task, as we have allowed the Government to take over our lives so that we little snowflakes feel comfortable and safe in our little bubble.
 
2013-02-13 11:17:34 AM

NightOwl2255: RedT: Earl of Chives: Sure. We have unlimited resources. Let's waste time/attention/money on jokes. Just because there isn't a shred of evidence a real bomber likes to makes jokes is no reason not to really stomp some farkers

Let's all agree that Real Bombers don't make bomb jokes, just for the sake of argument (because I don't feel like researching it).  OK? Ok.

The real question is: Do Real Bombers make threats about having bombs?

Because if they do, then TSA probably does not want one of their mouthbreathers making the determination between what is a "joke" and what was a "threat".  I kinda get that.

Awhile back I worked for a large company HQ'ed in downtown Oklahoma City. We were standing in the street waiting for the police and fire people to clear the building after a called in bomb threat. Of course no bomb was found. We all agreeded that bomb threats shold be ignored. We could not think of a time in the US (unlike Northern Ireland) in which a person called in a real bomb threat, but there are hundreds, if not thousands of fake ones called in. And we were two blocks away from where the federal building used to stand before being blown up. And of course, no call was made before blowing it up.



Harvey's Casino in 1980. They left a note that there was a bomb planted. There was, in fact, an actual bomb planted. The cops tried to disarm it using explosives and just ended up setting it off. It destroyed Harvey's and damaged Harrah's next door. http://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/2009/august/harvey_082609
 
2013-02-13 11:18:37 AM

TimGuy: colinspooky: Every time we arrived at an airport, we ordered the kids never to say the 'b-word' or mention anything along those lines, even as a joke. Why can't people understand that? Imagine the fall out (hmm) if the TSA people just laughed off all the 'jokes' and then one wasn't a joke. Who would be laughing then? Hope the courts throw out this appalling legal action and ensure this chap pays all the legal costs for both sides.

Agreed, I am willing to sacrifice my freedom for the illusion of safety comrade, ::bootclick salute:: Heil!

We must not question the law!!  because it's..the LAW!!  ::goosestepping::


Hmm, little unnecessaary  BUT, you are still left with that one time you ignored the joke and people died.
 
2013-02-13 11:22:00 AM
Years from now
"They took my 5 year old away and now he's on death row"
"Why?"
"Because he drew a picture of a gun"
"Well the law is the law!"
"Hey did you hear about Bill, he's been executed as well"
"Why"
"Because he said the word bomb in his house and the bomb voice detecting unit picked it up"
"Oh thank God we're all safe, the Law's the law!"
 
2013-02-13 11:24:56 AM

endmile: Harvey's Casino in 1980. They left a note that there was a bomb planted. There was, in fact, an actual bomb planted. The cops tried to disarm it using explosives and just ended up setting it off. It destroyed Harvey's and damaged Harrah's next door. http://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/2009/august/harvey_082609


FTA: A note left with the bomb-titled STERN WARNING TO THE MANAGEMENT AND BOMB SQUAD-began ominously: "Do not move or tilt this bomb, because the mechanism controlling the detonators in it will set it off at a movement of less than .01 of the open end Ricter scale.

That's a whole other thing. That's not calling in a bomb threat. That's leaving an object with a note. In the latter, that shows that the person was actually there, and there is an actual object. In that case, yes, clear the building.
 
2013-02-13 11:25:24 AM

CutBoard: oh_please: As much as I hate the TSA, there's no way this guy is going to win, and he shouldn't. There's a time and place to be a smartass, an airport security check is not that time and place.

/you got to know when to hold 'em, know when to fold 'em....

You nailed this one on the head. But, maybe, and just maybe it's time for someone to take the TSA to task. We can't keep giving up liberty because we're scared little critters. Even though I agree totally that this guy won't see a penny and his sarcasm was incorrectly employed in the wrong place, it's a step in the right direction to start removing ourselves from the grip of government stooges. I'm not downplaying TSA employees, heck, they're people too, they need jobs just as many do. Maybe, it's us that need to be taken to task, as we have allowed the Government to take over our lives so that we little snowflakes feel comfortable and safe in our little bubble.


Exactly, people need to stop hiding underneath their beds like scared children, grow a pair of balls and stand up for their rights.  And as someone mentioned, I doubt someone really looking to bomb a plane would even joke about it to draw attention.
 
2013-02-13 11:30:03 AM

TimGuy: Exactly, people need to stop hiding underneath their beds like scared children, grow a pair of balls and stand up for their rights


The right to joke about having explosives while trying to board a plane? That's never been a "right". And it should never be a right. Hard to fight for a right no one has had, and never should have.
 
2013-02-13 11:36:25 AM
I am not a litigious person. And I certianly agree that this dude is an asshat for making a B joke in a airport (i don't even want to use the word, yes my hat is shiny silver looking) and in front of a TSA agent.
But maybe more lawsuits like his is what it will take to put a leash on the TSA. Lets face it, the TSA isn't going anywhere. No amount of griping is going to make a billion dollar govmnt industry go away. But if more people backed up their claims of TSA misconduct and bumbling. Maybe, it could get them put to the fore front in congressinal oversight and hearings.
It doesn't have to cost much to file a lawsuit. Any body with a computer and HS level of english can find and use resources available to do it. Following through is more complicated. But they really wouldn't have to follow it thru to far. If enough people started stirring the pot, even if its a huge pot, it gets easier to do.
 
2013-02-13 11:37:11 AM

TimGuy: CutBoard: oh_please: As much as I hate the TSA, there's no way this guy is going to win, and he shouldn't. There's a time and place to be a smartass, an airport security check is not that time and place.

/you got to know when to hold 'em, know when to fold 'em....

You nailed this one on the head. But, maybe, and just maybe it's time for someone to take the TSA to task. We can't keep giving up liberty because we're scared little critters. Even though I agree totally that this guy won't see a penny and his sarcasm was incorrectly employed in the wrong place, it's a step in the right direction to start removing ourselves from the grip of government stooges. I'm not downplaying TSA employees, heck, they're people too, they need jobs just as many do. Maybe, it's us that need to be taken to task, as we have allowed the Government to take over our lives so that we little snowflakes feel comfortable and safe in our little bubble.

Exactly, people need to stop hiding underneath their beds like scared children, grow a pair of balls and stand up for their rights.  And as someone mentioned, I doubt someone really looking to bomb a plane would even joke about it to draw attention.


As much as I agree with both of you on the liberty/safety thing, you're missing the point that it has NEVER been okay to make a bomb joke in an airport, and this guy is a complete idiot for doing so. If I were the judge, I'd go all Willy Wonka on his ass:

You get nothing! You lose! Good day, sir!
 
2013-02-13 11:42:57 AM

serial_crusher: Endive Wombat: Honestly, the only way I see the TSA disappearing is if we see another 9/11. There willl have to be huge missteps in passenger safety before a majority of politicians are motivated to do anything about it.

I really don't want to see the clusterfark that would ensue if the TSA got shut down on grounds that they didn't do enough to stop something.  What monstrosity would replace them in that case?

/ Actually I wouldn't mind if they had a way to just knock us out and stack us up in little coffin-like boxes for the duration of the flight, like on the 5th Element.  Would work around a lot of the hassles associated with travel.


What was the name of that Stephen King short story where it was like that for space travel, but one kid didn't take the pill/shot/whatever and ended up mad as a hatter? The Leap?
 
2013-02-13 11:44:08 AM

NightOwl2255: TimGuy: Exactly, people need to stop hiding underneath their beds like scared children, grow a pair of balls and stand up for their rights

The right to joke about having explosives while trying to board a plane? That's never been a "right". And it should never be a right. Hard to fight for a right no one has had, and never should have.


You're right, it's never been a "right" to joke about something that endangers people in a place that a lot of people are scared of to begin with. Flying is not something most people are accustomed to and they don't want someone making jokes making it even worse. But the fact remains, these same people are facing their fears and we don't need the TSA to reassure us that these fears are legitimate by making overated responses when they aren't. Shiat happens, we don't have insurance for "shiat happens" and nothing we do can make it not happen. But, people need to quit hiding behind a curtain of government safety, because, that curtain is made of clear silk and it doesn't protect us from "shiat happens".
 
2013-02-13 11:48:31 AM

liam76: If they knew he was talking about the peanut butter and they knew it wasn't a bomb it shouldn't have gone any further.


Much like how a republican gun nut™ waits for the day when he can murder someone with his concealed child-killer ©, a TSA agent longs for the day when someone makes an off-hand remark that he can use to fark up his whole day. Then he probably goes home and masturbates to the thought of how much power he has.
 
2013-02-13 11:51:49 AM

MythDragon: liam76: If they knew he was talking about the peanut butter and they knew it wasn't a bomb it shouldn't have gone any further.

Much like how a republican gun nut™ waits for the day when he can murder someone with his concealed child-killer ©, a TSA agent longs for the day when someone makes an off-hand remark that he can use to fark up his whole day. Then he probably goes home and masturbates to the thought of how much power he has.


/came here to see if someone would bring political parties into this
//leaving satisfied.
 
2013-02-13 11:52:58 AM
Where was his jar of this?
i.imgur.com

He didn't have one? ARE WE SAVAGES?
 
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2013-02-13 11:53:36 AM

oh_please: As much as I agree with both of you on the liberty/safety thing, you're missing the point that it has NEVER been okay to make a bomb joke in an airport, and this guy is a complete idiot for doing so. If I were the judge, I'd go all Willy Wonka on his ass:

You get nothing! You lose! Good day, sir!


My mother almost got kicked out of an airport for joking about bombs... and this was in 1993.  It's pretty dumb to do it post 2001.

HOWEVER, the TSA locking the guy up for "falsely reporting an incident" is akin to a cop throwing someone he beat up in a bar fight for assault and battery.  Is assholery.  Someone should be finding the TSA guy and throwing HIM in jail for falsely reporting about someone falsely reporting an incident.  It's obvious it was only done to make sure they didn't look stupid.
 
2013-02-13 11:56:05 AM

oh_please: As much as I hate the TSA, there's no way this guy is going to win, and he shouldn't. There's a time and place to be a smartass, an airport security check is not that time and place.

/you got to know when to hold 'em, know when to fold 'em....


The TSA agent appears to have characterized the peanut butter as a bomb before Hannibal  made his comment so sarcasm or not, perhaps he has a chance at winning.
 
2013-02-13 11:56:23 AM

liam76: Louisiana_Sitar_Club: liam76: Louisiana_Sitar_Club: You're an idiot. This didn't happen because the TSA mistook peanut butter for a bomb. This happened because he made a clear declaration that he had explosives with him. From the article: "Hannibal then commented to his wife and children that 'They're looking to confiscate my explosives

Too stupid to recognize that the peanut butter was the "explosive" in question? The context of them talking about peanut butter, and commenting how they were confused about it seperating didn't clue you in to that?

Even if the peabutbutter wasn;t the explosive, they still shoudl have tackled him to keep him away from any of the luggage or stuff that could explode. They didn't. They didn't think it was a real threat.


I'm sure they knew he was talking about the peanut butter.

If they knew he was talking about the peanut butter and they knew it wasn't a bomb it shouldn't have gone any further.


Louisiana_Sitar_Club: Although, it's not that they can't recognize sarcasm, it's that they won't. I don't like the TSA anymore than anyone else but every single person knows from ample precedents that airport security (both pre-911 and the TSA that we deal with now) always has and always will treat stupid jokes about bombs as serious threats. Like it or not, that's how they operate and everyone knows it. If you make a joke like that to the TSA you're going to get stomped. You'd have to be an idiot to expect any other outcome

Just because "they won't" listen to sarcasm, and you think it will mess up your day, doesn't mean the TSA is right or that he doesn't have a lawsuit.

I am nto saying his actions are in the same league as Rosa Parks, but the fact is back then people knew the bus driver "won't" let her sit up front and if she tried she would be arrested.

Louisiana_Sitar_Club: problem was that he claimed (even though it was just a stupid joke) that he had explosives with him.

Peopel shouldn't be arrested over stupid joke when there is

clearly no danger.
Why is this so hard to understand
?

So if I walk into a bank and say I have a bomb, but don't.  Is that OK?  There's no danger, why should I be arrested?  If I point a toy gun at a cop and yell 'bang' that's OK, too?  A stupid joke is putting exlax in a cookie.  A danger to public safety is saying you have explosives in an airport.  The First Amendment doesn't give people the right to do stupid things.  It gives you and I the right to speak out against the stupidity of the TSA.  It gives us the right to say this is all Obama's fault.  It doesn't give you the right to create a danger to public safety (saying you have a bomb, yelling fire, etc).  Just because this guy disagrees with the TSA doesn't mean he will have no consequences for his actions.  I think red light cameras are complete bullshiat.  Does that mean I can run red lights with impunity?  Of course not.  I think the age of consent should be 17, but if I bang a 17 year old does that mean it's cool?  Nope.  If people just walked around to pick and choose which rules they will and won't follow we would be in utter chaos.  We're damn near there as it is.
 
2013-02-13 12:01:28 PM
The TSA is completely incompetent. The hijakings that led to their new powers were performed with box cutters and knives. Anyone read the article about the cupcakes and the sword? Cupcakes bad. Sword good.
Edged weapons aren't a threat its explosive cupcakes.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/tsa-confiscates-cupcakes-and-candy-allow s- man-to-walk-through-checkpoint-with-sword.html

For those of you saying good, airports are serious business you need to realize there is also this thing called common sense.
//Starting to wonder why they call it that when it's becoming very uncommon.
 
2013-02-13 12:03:01 PM

DownDaRiver: I am not a litigious person. And I certianly agree that this dude is an asshat for making a B joke in a airport (i don't even want to use the word, yes my hat is shiny silver looking) and in front of a TSA agent.
But maybe more lawsuits like his is what it will take to put a leash on the TSA. Lets face it, the TSA isn't going anywhere. No amount of griping is going to make a billion dollar govmnt industry go away. But if more people backed up their claims of TSA misconduct and bumbling. Maybe, it could get them put to the fore front in congressinal oversight and hearings.
It doesn't have to cost much to file a lawsuit. Any body with a computer and HS level of english can find and use resources available to do it. Following through is more complicated. But they really wouldn't have to follow it thru to far. If enough people started stirring the pot, even if its a huge pot, it gets easier to do.


If you file a lawsuit and lose, which this guy will, he can be made to pay lawyer fees. Nothing like filing a frivolous suit, and getting a bill for $20K.
 
2013-02-13 12:08:52 PM

runescorpio: For those of you saying good, airports are serious business you need to realize there is also this thing called common sense.
//Starting to wonder why they call it that when it's becoming very uncommon.


I completed agree that the TSA is BS. My wife was selected for "random additional screening" once. Since she was holding our 9 month old child when selected they said that had to screen the baby also. They put my daughters Barney flip-flops through the x-ray (this was before Reid tried to blow up his Nikes). They have no common sense, and really, would you trust your safety to any TSA agents common sense? Not that they keep us any safer.
 
2013-02-13 12:13:52 PM

runescorpio: The TSA is completely incompetent. The hijakings that led to their new powers were performed with box cutters and knives. Anyone read the article about the cupcakes and the sword? Cupcakes bad. Sword good.
Edged weapons aren't a threat its explosive cupcakes.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/tsa-confiscates-cupcakes-and-candy-allow s- man-to-walk-through-checkpoint-with-sword.html

For those of you saying good, airports are serious business you need to realize there is also this thing called common sense.
//Starting to wonder why they call it that when it's becoming very uncommon.


Common sense dictates that you don't make a bomb joke while going through airport security.

Was making a joke like this okay pre-9/11? Hint: It wasn't.

I'd love to see the TSA disbanded, but this isn't the case that's going to do it, and it shouldn't be. Anyone trying to equate this with overzealous TSA dipshiats are either too young to have flown pre-9/11, or just hate the TSA so much (NTTAWTHT)  that they're blind to the facts here.
 
2013-02-13 12:24:49 PM

Too Pretty For Prison: So if I walk into a bank and say I have a bomb, but don't. Is that OK? There's no danger, why should I be arrested? If I point a toy gun at a cop and yell 'bang' that's OK, too? A stupid joke is putting exlax in a cookie. A danger to public safety is saying you have explosives in an airport. The First Amendment doesn't give people the right to do stupid things. It gives you and I the right to speak out against the stupidity of the TSA. It gives us the right to say this is all Obama's fault. It doesn't give you the right to create a danger to public safety (saying you have a bomb, yelling fire, etc).


He wasn't "yelling" he had a bomb.  The TSA was already treating it as if it were dangerous, and he made a joke mocking the situation.  That is protected speech.


Just because this guy disagrees with the TSA doesn't mean he will have no consequences for his actions. I think red light cameras are complete bullshiat. Does that mean I can run red lights with impunity? Of course not. I think the age of consent should be 17, but if I bang a 17 year old does that mean it's cool? Nope. If people just walked around to pick and choose which rules they will and won't follow we would be in utter chaos. We're damn near there as it is

Red lights, and age of consent have ntohingt o do with a constitutionally protected right.
 
2013-02-13 12:28:17 PM

oh_please: runescorpio: The TSA is completely incompetent. The hijakings that led to their new powers were performed with box cutters and knives. Anyone read the article about the cupcakes and the sword? Cupcakes bad. Sword good.
Edged weapons aren't a threat its explosive cupcakes.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/tsa-confiscates-cupcakes-and-candy-allow s- man-to-walk-through-checkpoint-with-sword.html

For those of you saying good, airports are serious business you need to realize there is also this thing called common sense.
//Starting to wonder why they call it that when it's becoming very uncommon.

Common sense dictates that you don't make a bomb joke while going through airport security.

Was making a joke like this okay pre-9/11? Hint: It wasn't.

I'd love to see the TSA disbanded, but this isn't the case that's going to do it, and it shouldn't be. Anyone trying to equate this with overzealous TSA dipshiats are either too young to have flown pre-9/11, or just hate the TSA so much (NTTAWTHT)  that they're blind to the facts here.


I for one don't want to see the TSA disbanded. I do, however, want the the true people in power of them, to pull their head out of their asses. I think the TSA is needed, just not in the capacity that they're in at the moment. People can police themselves, yes we do have nutjobs out there, but, the TSA in it's current capacity is not the answer. As I stated before, people need to quit letting the Government rule us, we are the true rulers of our kingdom. The sooner people realize this, the sooner we can be a society of people again, and not a monarchy that is supposed to keep us safe from unknowns.
 
2013-02-13 12:35:36 PM
TSA dose not understand sarcasm.
The more you know.
 
2013-02-13 12:36:18 PM

liam76: The TSA was already treating it as if it were dangerous, and he made a joke mocking the situation. That is protected speech.


Nope. This isn't a comedian on stage telling a joke, nor is it "satire", as someone else suggested upthread. He was in a situation where his speech could be reasonably construed as a threat. Wrong place, wrong time, not protected speech.
 
2013-02-13 12:42:12 PM

CutBoard: MythDragon: liam76: If they knew he was talking about the peanut butter and they knew it wasn't a bomb it shouldn't have gone any further.

Much like how a republican gun nut™ waits for the day when he can murder someone with his concealed child-killer ©, a TSA agent longs for the day when someone makes an off-hand remark that he can use to fark up his whole day. Then he probably goes home and masturbates to the thought of how much power he has.

/came here to see if someone would bring political parties into this
//leaving satisfied.


You know what they say, "A day without some asshat bringing up political parties is a like a day with sunshine"
 
2013-02-13 12:43:21 PM
Making jokes about bombs and explosives in an airport is against the law.

Get over it, you sue happy farks.
 
2013-02-13 12:46:28 PM

MythDragon: You know what they say, "A day without some asshat bringing up political parties is a like a day with sunshine"


Ain't no sunshine on FARK, my friend. It's gotten much better since the election though...I almost gave up FARK for good during this last cycle.
 
2013-02-13 12:48:09 PM

PainfulItching: All I can think of is Penn and Teller with the Steel Ball trick they used on each other pre 9/11. The one behind rolling a ball through each time the other had to walk through the metal detectors. Pretty funny actually.


i50.tinypic.com
 
2013-02-13 12:49:41 PM

liam76: Too Pretty For Prison: So if I walk into a bank and say I have a bomb, but don't. Is that OK? There's no danger, why should I be arrested? If I point a toy gun at a cop and yell 'bang' that's OK, too? A stupid joke is putting exlax in a cookie. A danger to public safety is saying you have explosives in an airport. The First Amendment doesn't give people the right to do stupid things. It gives you and I the right to speak out against the stupidity of the TSA. It gives us the right to say this is all Obama's fault. It doesn't give you the right to create a danger to public safety (saying you have a bomb, yelling fire, etc).

He wasn't "yelling" he had a bomb.  The TSA was already treating it as if it were dangerous, and he made a joke mocking the situation.  That is protected speech.


Just because this guy disagrees with the TSA doesn't mean he will have no consequences for his actions. I think red light cameras are complete bullshiat. Does that mean I can run red lights with impunity? Of course not. I think the age of consent should be 17, but if I bang a 17 year old does that mean it's cool? Nope. If people just walked around to pick and choose which rules they will and won't follow we would be in utter chaos. We're damn near there as it is

Red lights, and age of consent have ntohingt o do with a constitutionally protected right.


I never said they did.  You made the comment that people shouldn't be held accountable for their actions (a joke) if they aren't actually going to do any damage.  I was pointing out the folly of that logic.  And, you need to read the First Amendment.  It does NOT give people the right to say whatever and wherever they want.  You can and will be held accountable if you "joke" that you have explosives in an airport or if you yell fire in a public place (and there is no fire).  I've moved on to a more interesting thread.  If you want to get the last word in, here's your chance.  Prove me wrong and go to a mall and shout fire then tell the cops you were just joking.  See how far your interpretation of the First Amendment gets you.
 
2013-02-13 12:55:29 PM

oh_please: liam76: The TSA was already treating it as if it were dangerous, and he made a joke mocking the situation. That is protected speech.

Nope. This isn't a comedian on stage telling a joke, nor is it "satire", as someone else suggested upthread. He was in a situation where his speech could be reasonably construed as a threat. Wrong place, wrong time, not protected speech.


You don't need to eb a comedian to make s joke.

After a guy gets hassled about taking his peanutbutter, and he makes an offhanded joke about them confiscating his "explosives" a reasonable person should take that as serious?  I guess we have different definitions of reasonable.
 
2013-02-13 01:09:27 PM

Too Pretty For Prison: I never said they did. You made the comment that people shouldn't be held accountable for their actions (a joke) if they aren't actually going to do any damage.


I never made that comment.

If he had yelled "bomb" I woudl be for going after huim, just like yelling "fire" in a theatre.  The difference here is he was clearly making a joke, hence there was no risk or appearance of risk to a reasonabel person.

Too Pretty For Prison: It does NOT give people the right to say whatever and wherever they want. You can and will be held accountable if you "joke" that you have explosives in an airport or if you yell fire in a public place (and there is no fire).


I have made it very clear there is adifference between a quite offhand joke, that you didn't inittiate (the TSA did by implying his peanutbutter was inherehtly dangerous enoguh it must be discarded) and shouting fire.

way to keep demonstrating your stupidity by failing to grasp the difference.
 
2013-02-13 01:10:40 PM
As if a real bomber is going to say he has a bomb...
 
2013-02-13 01:12:23 PM

Bilgewater: As if a real bomber is going to say he has a bomb...


After the "bomb" has been taken away...
 
2013-02-13 01:21:38 PM

liam76: After a guy gets hassled about taking his peanutbutter, and he makes an offhanded joke about them confiscating his "explosives" a reasonable person should take that as serious? I guess we have different definitions of reasonable.


A reasonable person doesn't try and make a planeful of people explode. If they assume everyone is a terrorist (which they should - we shouldn't be TREATED as such, but suspected to be so until we clear the line), "reasonableness" doesn't enter into it.

A reasonable person can be trusted with nail clippers, box cutters, knives, a handgun (it's no less safe to have a handgun on a plane than it is to have one in a shopping mall - an accidental discharge on a plane would have worse consequences, but we all know that gun-carriers are always safe with their tools, yes?) and liquids on a plane.
 
2013-02-13 01:30:03 PM

endmile: Harvey's Casino in 1980. They left a note that there was a bomb planted. There was, in fact, an actual bomb planted. The cops tried to disarm it using explosives and just ended up setting it off. It destroyed Harvey's and damaged Harrah's next door. http://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/2009/august/harvey_082609



Holy shiat...thanks for sharing that.
 
2013-02-13 01:30:54 PM

liam76: oh_please: liam76: The TSA was already treating it as if it were dangerous, and he made a joke mocking the situation. That is protected speech.

Nope. This isn't a comedian on stage telling a joke, nor is it "satire", as someone else suggested upthread. He was in a situation where his speech could be reasonably construed as a threat. Wrong place, wrong time, not protected speech.

You don't need to eb a comedian to make s joke.

After a guy gets hassled about taking his peanutbutter, and he makes an offhanded joke about them confiscating his "explosives" a reasonable person should take that as serious?  I guess we have different definitions of reasonable.


Reasonable is in the eye of the beholder. Hassled he was not, he (in the article) made the statement. Maybe you as a snowflake need to learn reality, you don't piss in the wind, you don't tugg on Superman's cape and you don't pull the mask off of the ol' Lone Ranger and you don't mess around with Jim.

/subtle
/not really
 
2013-02-13 01:37:18 PM

NightOwl2255: endmile: Harvey's Casino in 1980. They left a note that there was a bomb planted. There was, in fact, an actual bomb planted. The cops tried to disarm it using explosives and just ended up setting it off. It destroyed Harvey's and damaged Harrah's next door. http://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/2009/august/harvey_082609

FTA: A note left with the bomb-titled STERN WARNING TO THE MANAGEMENT AND BOMB SQUAD-began ominously: "Do not move or tilt this bomb, because the mechanism controlling the detonators in it will set it off at a movement of less than .01 of the open end Ricter scale.

That's a whole other thing. That's not calling in a bomb threat. That's leaving an object with a note. In the latter, that shows that the person was actually there, and there is an actual object. In that case, yes, clear the building.



Yeah, it's a little different, but it's still a bomb threat that was followed through on.

The_Sponge: Holy shiat...thanks for sharing that.


You're very welcome. Saw it an episode of FBI Files a few years ago.
 
2013-02-13 01:38:47 PM

Xexi: Making jokes about bombs and explosives in an airport is against the law.

Get over it, you sue happy farks.


Then why didn't they charge him with that? Why slap him with a charge that has a very tenuous connection to reality?
 
2013-02-13 01:45:39 PM

endmile: You're very welcome. Saw it an episode of FBI Files a few years ago.


Right on.

/Need to go back to Tahoe sometime.
//So awesome during the summer.
///Sacramento is roasting at 110F, and Tahoe is at 75F.
 
2013-02-13 01:48:06 PM

Zlater: In 2007, i was working for a financial institution that I shall not name, but the job involved constant traveling. I was on the TSA line in Skyharbor airport, when my blackberry rung, and a change of venue ensued. My schedule now involved me going to my secondary branch for the week, first, and I was instructed to inform my contacts ASAP. This meant I had to speak to someone with the title of Branch Operations Manager, which was always referred to, with the titles Acronym. So mid phone call, without thinking of where I was due to the hasty change in arrangements, I confirmed with my direct manager verbally by saying, " OK, the plans are ramped up, I'll talk to the BOM right before I board to confirm ". Just like in the movies, I could almost hear the sound effect of situation clarity, and looked up to see about 10 people staring at me, mouth open, eyes wide. I scanned left to right, and all sound seemed to disappear for just a moment while the group waited for explanation it seemed.. I just said aloud, BRANCH OFFICE MANAGER, no worries really... and everybody returned to waiting in line.
Luckily for me, that's the end of that story. On the other hand, how Effing sad is it, that I could have been detained for any period of time at all, for that little verbal slip?


Sad? I think it would have been hilarious!

/all comedy is tragedy that happens to someone else.
 
2013-02-13 02:09:14 PM

BarkingUnicorn: Zlater: In 2007, i was working for a financial institution that I shall not name, but the job involved constant traveling. I was on the TSA line in Skyharbor airport, when my blackberry rung, and a change of venue ensued. My schedule now involved me going to my secondary branch for the week, first, and I was instructed to inform my contacts ASAP. This meant I had to speak to someone with the title of Branch Operations Manager, which was always referred to, with the titles Acronym. So mid phone call, without thinking of where I was due to the hasty change in arrangements, I confirmed with my direct manager verbally by saying, " OK, the plans are ramped up, I'll talk to the BOM right before I board to confirm ". Just like in the movies, I could almost hear the sound effect of situation clarity, and looked up to see about 10 people staring at me, mouth open, eyes wide. I scanned left to right, and all sound seemed to disappear for just a moment while the group waited for explanation it seemed.. I just said aloud, BRANCH OFFICE MANAGER, no worries really... and everybody returned to waiting in line.
Luckily for me, that's the end of that story. On the other hand, how Effing sad is it, that I could have been detained for any period of time at all, for that little verbal slip?

Sad? I think it would have been hilarious!

/all comedy is tragedy that happens to someone else.


Sad?... I'm sure that in your thoughts it would be. Snowflakes.................
/all tragedy is comedy, unless it happens you
//Reality is a biatch
///too bad for you
///satire...foget about it
 
2013-02-13 02:32:44 PM

Dr Dreidel: A reasonable person doesn't try and make a planeful of people explode. If they assume everyone is a terrorist (which they should - we shouldn't be TREATED as such, but suspected to be so until we clear the line), "reasonableness" doesn't enter into it.


Yes it does enter into it.  Otherwise they could demand everyoen to be silent and blindfolded.

CutBoard: Reasonable is in the eye of the beholder. Hassled he was not, he (in the article) made the statement.


Some moron claiming that technically peantubutter is liquid is "hassling" in my book (especially when it isn't on a TSA list)

CutBoard: Maybe you as a snowflake need to learn reality, you don't piss in the wind, you don't tugg on Superman's cape and you don't pull the mask off of the ol' Lone Ranger and you don't mess around with Jim.


It is pretty sad when not agreeing with jack booted TSA tactcs and stupid decisions abotu who to arrest gets you labeled a "snowflake".  The fact is there was no reason anybody above fungus level of intellegence would sincerely think he was a threat.  Criminalizing his speech when it is abundantly clear to anyone with a few brain cells to rub together that it wasn't a threat is a violation fo free speech.

Now in all likelyhood this guy is a douche.  His struggle isn't some brave stand to tyrannical TSA infringements on our rights.  And unless he was an idiot he should know the TSA would overreact, I still support him becasue that doesn't make TSA's overeaction right.  Rosa knew they were going to call the cops and likely arrest her, does that make her supporters "snow flakes"?
.
 
2013-02-13 02:45:22 PM

liam76: Rosa knew they were going to call the cops and likely arrest her, does that make her supporters "snow flakes"?


Okay, we get it, this guy is standing up for freedom and civil rights just like Rosa Parks did.
 
2013-02-13 02:52:14 PM

oh_please: liam76:

Now in all likelyhood this guy is a douche.  His struggle isn't some brave stand to tyrannical TSA infringements on our rights.  And unless he was an idiot he should know the TSA would overreact, I still support him becasue that doesn't make TSA's overeaction right. Rosa knew they were going to call the cops and likely arrest her, does that make her supporters "snow flakes"?

Okay, we get it, this guy is standing up for freedom and civil rights just like Rosa Parks did.


The part you cut out made it pretty clear he wasn't like Rosa Parks.

Did you somehow only read that last sentence or did you read the whole thing then decide to cherry pick that line and dishonestly pretend I was comparing him to Rosa Parks, vice pointing out that supporting someoen who does something knowing they will get into trouble doesn't make you a snow flake.
 
2013-02-13 03:30:23 PM

dopekitty74: serial_crusher: Endive Wombat: Honestly, the only way I see the TSA disappearing is if we see another 9/11. There willl have to be huge missteps in passenger safety before a majority of politicians are motivated to do anything about it.

I really don't want to see the clusterfark that would ensue if the TSA got shut down on grounds that they didn't do enough to stop something.  What monstrosity would replace them in that case?

/ Actually I wouldn't mind if they had a way to just knock us out and stack us up in little coffin-like boxes for the duration of the flight, like on the 5th Element.  Would work around a lot of the hassles associated with travel.

What was the name of that Stephen King short story where it was like that for space travel, but one kid didn't take the pill/shot/whatever and ended up mad as a hatter? The Leap?


That would be the Jaunt
 
2013-02-13 03:37:33 PM

liam76: oh_please: liam76: Now in all likelyhood this guy is a douche.  His struggle isn't some brave stand to tyrannical TSA infringements on our rights.  And unless he was an idiot he should know the TSA would overreact, I still support him becasue that doesn't make TSA's overeaction right. Rosa knew they were going to call the cops and likely arrest her, does that make her supporters "snow flakes"?

Okay, we get it, this guy is standing up for freedom and civil rights just like Rosa Parks did.

The part you cut out made it pretty clear he wasn't like Rosa Parks.

Did you somehow only read that last sentence or did you read the whole thing then decide to cherry pick that line and dishonestly pretend I was comparing him to Rosa Parks, vice pointing out that supporting someoen who does something knowing they will get into trouble doesn't make you a snow flake.


I'm not the one who put Rosa Parks (or "Rosa", as you call her) in the same paragraph as this dumbass. I didn't draw that parallel, you did.

Oh, and try to learn to type and spell on your phone. It's irritating.
 
2013-02-13 04:04:27 PM

litespeed74: Dumb dude. You shouldn't have said it.  On the other hand the TSA still has rules that make no sense and provide zero protection.


How dumb is he if he actually ends up $5 million richer?
 
2013-02-13 04:12:59 PM

oh_please: liam76: oh_please: liam76: Now in all likelyhood this guy is a douche.  His struggle isn't some brave stand to tyrannical TSA infringements on our rights.  And unless he was an idiot he should know the TSA would overreact, I still support him becasue that doesn't make TSA's overeaction right. Rosa knew they were going to call the cops and likely arrest her, does that make her supporters "snow flakes"?

Okay, we get it, this guy is standing up for freedom and civil rights just like Rosa Parks did.

The part you cut out made it pretty clear he wasn't like Rosa Parks.

Did you somehow only read that last sentence or did you read the whole thing then decide to cherry pick that line and dishonestly pretend I was comparing him to Rosa Parks, vice pointing out that supporting someoen who does something knowing they will get into trouble doesn't make you a snow flake.

I'm not the one who put Rosa Parks (or "Rosa", as you call her) in the same paragraph as this dumbass. I didn't draw that parallel, you did.

Oh, and try to learn to type and spell on your phone. It's irritating.


Putting someone in the same paragraph isn't saying they are 'just like' each other. Stop playing/being dumb and or dishonest.

I didn't even draw a parallel between them. I simply said that calling a person a snowflake for supporting someone who knew their actions would get them in trouble (as the person I was responding to dud) means supporting rosa parks makes you a snow flake.

Don't cry about my typing just because I called out your BS, dumbass.
 
2013-02-13 04:37:57 PM

liam76: oh_please: liam76: oh_please: liam76: Now in all likelyhood this guy is a douche.  His struggle isn't some brave stand to tyrannical TSA infringements on our rights.  And unless he was an idiot he should know the TSA would overreact, I still support him becasue that doesn't make TSA's overeaction right. Rosa knew they were going to call the cops and likely arrest her, does that make her supporters "snow flakes"?

Okay, we get it, this guy is standing up for freedom and civil rights just like Rosa Parks did.

The part you cut out made it pretty clear he wasn't like Rosa Parks.

Did you somehow only read that last sentence or did you read the whole thing then decide to cherry pick that line and dishonestly pretend I was comparing him to Rosa Parks, vice pointing out that supporting someoen who does something knowing they will get into trouble doesn't make you a snow flake.

I'm not the one who put Rosa Parks (or "Rosa", as you call her) in the same paragraph as this dumbass. I didn't draw that parallel, you did.

Oh, and try to learn to type and spell on your phone. It's irritating.

Putting someone in the same paragraph isn't saying they are 'just like' each other. Stop playing/being dumb and or dishonest.

I didn't even draw a parallel between them. I simply said that calling a person a snowflake for supporting someone who knew their actions would get them in trouble (as the person I was responding to dud) means supporting rosa parks makes you a snow flake.

Don't cry about my typing just because I called out your BS, dumbass.


Please, show me where I called you a "snowflake", because I never called you that.

Don't be disingenuous about bringing Rosa Parks into this. So, if you don't support this dumbass, you don't support what Rosa Parks did? Hmmm.
 
2013-02-13 04:58:55 PM

oh_please: liam76: oh_please: liam76: oh_please: liam76: Now in all likelyhood this guy is a douche.  His struggle isn't some brave stand to tyrannical TSA infringements on our rights.  And unless he was an idiot he should know the TSA would overreact, I still support him becasue that doesn't make TSA's overeaction right. Rosa knew they were going to call the cops and likely arrest her, does that make her supporters "snow flakes"?

Okay, we get it, this guy is standing up for freedom and civil rights just like Rosa Parks did.

The part you cut out made it pretty clear he wasn't like Rosa Parks.

Did you somehow only read that last sentence or did you read the whole thing then decide to cherry pick that line and dishonestly pretend I was comparing him to Rosa Parks, vice pointing out that supporting someoen who does something knowing they will get into trouble doesn't make you a snow flake.

I'm not the one who put Rosa Parks (or "Rosa", as you call her) in the same paragraph as this dumbass. I didn't draw that parallel, you did.

Oh, and try to learn to type and spell on your phone. It's irritating.

Putting someone in the same paragraph isn't saying they are 'just like' each other. Stop playing/being dumb and or dishonest.

I didn't even draw a parallel between them. I simply said that calling a person a snowflake for supporting someone who knew their actions would get them in trouble (as the person I was responding to dud) means supporting rosa parks makes you a snow flake.

Don't cry about my typing just because I called out your BS, dumbass.

Please, show me where I called you a "snowflake", because I never called you that.

Don't be disingenuous about bringing Rosa Parks into this. So, if you don't support this dumbass, you don't support what Rosa Parks did? Hmmm.


I never said you did.

The person I was responding to (in the post you cherry picked the line from) did.

I do support this dumbass.

Can you not read?

It is right above.  I went ahead and underlined it, again.  I also bolded it.

Do you need me to cut and paste it again?

Here you go.

And unless he was an idiot he should know the TSA would overreact, I still support him becasue that doesn't make TSA's overeaction right.
 
2013-02-13 05:08:57 PM

liam76: And unless he was an idiot he should know the TSA would overreact, I still support him becasue that doesn't make TSA's overeaction right.


So, that brings us back to: How does this compare to Rosa Parks?

Answer: It doesn't.
 
2013-02-13 05:16:39 PM

kg2095: litespeed74: Dumb dude. You shouldn't have said it.  On the other hand the TSA still has rules that make no sense and provide zero protection.

How dumb is he if he actually ends up $5 million richer?


He has a better chance of taking a crap and finding a 5 pound solid gold bar in the toilet than he does of winning a penny in this case.
 
2013-02-13 05:28:53 PM
liam76:

I get the feeling that we're on the same side here, but we're not communicating. This guy isn't some freedom fighter, he's just an ass who decided to talk some shiat, and got thrown in jail for it.
 
2013-02-14 06:48:07 AM

oh_please: liam76: And unless he was an idiot he should know the TSA would overreact, I still support him becasue that doesn't make TSA's overeaction right.

So, that brings us back to: How does this compare to Rosa Parks?

Answer: It doesn't.


How many times do I have to repeat the same things?

I simply said that calling a person a snowflake for supporting someone who knew their actions would get them in trouble (as the person I was responding to did) means supporting rosa parks makes you a snow flake.

oh_please: liam76:

I get the feeling that we're on the same side here, but we're not communicating. This guy isn't some freedom fighter, he's just an ass who decided to talk some shiat, and got thrown in jail for it.


We aren't ont he same side.  He was likely an asshole but he wasn't "talking shiat".  He made an stupid offhand joke, and the TSA overeacted.  Even thought I think the TSA overeaction is predictabel I value this little thing called "freedom of speech" so I don't support their overeaction.

And before you or someone else comes up with the tired, moronic, and repeatedly pointed out as wrong comparison to yelling "fire" in a theatre, it is in no way similiar.  Yelling fire is going to cause an immdiate reaction of panic among reasonable person and will likely get someoen hurt.  In this case the TSA was already treating his peanutbutter as a potential explosive, no reasonable person would take his joke seriously.
 
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