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(Entertainment Weekly)   Fans of The Walking Dead TV show may be wondering how Rick will deal with The Governor, but this month, most comic fans are dying to know what Negan did to Carl. Here's the first four pages of Issue #107 (spoiler?)   (popwatch.ew.com ) divider line
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2013-02-13 09:00:31 AM  
Yeah, I'm pretty sure the other members of the group might choose another representative besides the loopy guy that yells at invisible people and gets imaginary phone calls.

They're doing a great job presenting Tyrese as the new group leader:  rational, compassionate, tough.  Guess that means he'll be dead next episode and we'll be introduced to 4-Dog.
 
2013-02-13 10:07:16 AM  
What if Rick is still in a coma, and the zombie apocalypse is all just his dream.

/cue mind blown Keanu
 
2013-02-13 10:09:19 AM  

born_yesterday: 4-Dog.


HAHAHAHAHA!!!! Comic gold sir! Comic gold

As far as the comic is concerned I doubt they will give too much away in the first 4 pages.
 
2013-02-13 10:11:06 AM  
"Now I'm super farkin pissed off"

I see the dialog on the same level as the show.
 
2013-02-13 10:13:42 AM  

SCUBA_Archer: What if Rick is still in a coma, and the zombie apocalypse is all just his dream.


And Carl has been sitting by his bedside for days, staring into a snow globe.
 
2013-02-13 10:13:52 AM  
While I appreciate some of the differences between the comic and the tv show (like yeah, maybe Glen won't DIE IN THE DAMN TV SHOW *shakes fist in rage at comic book*) I'm starting to get a liiiiiitle bit too tired of the pacing.

I don't know if they are worried about running out of material ahead of the comic book (seems likely), but frankly they've gone pretty far off the reservation already so, I don't see how the TV version of TWD needs to really align that much with the comic book version in the future anyway. Hell, they'd always be free to introduce elements from new comic issues at any time in the TV series as suited them.

I know some purists get really upset that the TV show diverges so much from the comics, but frankly it doesn't bother me. Especially if we get a universe in which Glen lives and becomes the super asian pimp-lord of Georgia.
 
2013-02-13 10:17:04 AM  

SCUBA_Archer: What if Rick is still in a coma, and the zombie apocalypse is all just his dream.

/cue mind blown Keanu


Hmmm, I hadn't considered that possibility.  Damn, Ricks subconscious must REALLY hate him.
 
2013-02-13 10:17:07 AM  
The zombie nation objects to humans biting humans.
 
2013-02-13 10:17:10 AM  
Negan please.
 
2013-02-13 10:22:10 AM  

TwistedFark: While I appreciate some of the differences between the comic and the tv show (like yeah, maybe Glen won't DIE IN THE DAMN TV SHOW *shakes fist in rage at comic book*) I'm starting to get a liiiiiitle bit too tired of the pacing.

I don't know if they are worried about running out of material ahead of the comic book (seems likely), but frankly they've gone pretty far off the reservation already so, I don't see how the TV version of TWD needs to really align that much with the comic book version in the future anyway. Hell, they'd always be free to introduce elements from new comic issues at any time in the TV series as suited them.

I know some purists get really upset that the TV show diverges so much from the comics, but frankly it doesn't bother me. Especially if we get a universe in which Glen lives and becomes the super asian pimp-lord of Georgia.


I don't mind the plotting being different from the comic, since that means the show can still surprise me.  What has disappointed me slightly is some of the pacing of the show.  Season 2 basically ground to a halt when it was stuck at the farm.  That whole plot should have last no longer than a few episodes.  On the other hand, all of the goings-on at the prison right after finding it was skipped in favor of jumping straight to the Governor arc.
 
2013-02-13 10:27:21 AM  
The poor kid has already had half his face blown off. I shudder to think what Negan will do that will probably be even worse.
 
2013-02-13 10:31:12 AM  

Nickster79: The poor kid has already had half his face blown off. I shudder to think what Negan will do that will probably be even worse.


Give him an eye patch to cover his eye, then a peg-leg to match?
 
2013-02-13 10:36:17 AM  
I got tired of Kirkman's slow emotional/physical torture porn.
 
2013-02-13 10:36:38 AM  

NeoCortex42: Nickster79: The poor kid has already had half his face blown off. I shudder to think what Negan will do that will probably be even worse.

Give him an eye patch to cover his eye, then a peg-leg to match?


A one-legged puppy?
 
2013-02-13 10:48:24 AM  

Meethos: I got tired of Kirkman's slow emotional/physical torture porn.


It seems that's all he's got left in the tank at this point.  He has to make each new situation worse than whatever's come before.  So Negan had to act damn near inhuman in order to be worse than the Governor.

I still read the comic, but I really think Kirkman should think about wrapping it up and moving onto another project soon.  Sure, it could theoretically go on forever, but not without getting incredibly repetitive and even more depressing.
 
2013-02-13 10:59:19 AM  
Stand up you farking farker is certainly a line.
 
2013-02-13 10:59:20 AM  

Hilarity_N_Sues: A one-legged puppy?


www.shamusyoung.com
 
2013-02-13 11:02:16 AM  

NeoCortex42: Meethos: I got tired of Kirkman's slow emotional/physical torture porn.

It seems that's all he's got left in the tank at this point.  He has to make each new situation worse than whatever's come before.  So Negan had to act damn near inhuman in order to be worse than the Governor.

I still read the comic, but I really think Kirkman should think about wrapping it up and moving onto another project soon.  Sure, it could theoretically go on forever, but not without getting incredibly repetitive and even more depressing.


I stopped reading at #100. Did anybody catch his reference to it in "Invincible"?  How he wanted to try something different and it really didn't work out?  Apparently, I'm far from the only person who dropped the book at that point. He should have ended it a while back.  It's pretty obvious that Rick dies at the end of this series by now, isn't it?  I can't blame him for riding the money train but there's definitely diminishing returns for dragging it out longer than it deserves.
 
2013-02-13 11:03:00 AM  

Meethos: I got tired of Kirkman's slow emotional/physical torture porn.


Fark man, me too. Zombies are ridiculous but fun, but TWD comic sucks all that fun away and funnels in relentless misery. No redemption, no hope, no light-at-tunnel's-end... just sadism and mutilation forever. Whee.

Someone ought to tell Kirkman that humanity isn't actually that bad to one another in absence of hate. You really don't get that level of casual violence without hate. He ignores how humans actually rally to defend against external threats... If the dead rose, you'd see more coming-together of humanity like WWZ than these absurd fiefdoms run by psychopaths straight out of SAW .
 
2013-02-13 11:04:41 AM  

NeoCortex42: Meethos: I got tired of Kirkman's slow emotional/physical torture porn.

It seems that's all he's got left in the tank at this point.  He has to make each new situation worse than whatever's come before.  So Negan had to act damn near inhuman in order to be worse than the Governor.

I still read the comic, but I really think Kirkman should think about wrapping it up and moving onto another project soon.  Sure, it could theoretically go on forever, but not without getting incredibly repetitive and even more depressing.


I am going to go ahead and say it.  Negan sucks.  I love the comic and can not wait to read today's issue but Negan just flat out sucks.  In the book, as soon as that asshole handed Carl Lucille, Carl should have bashed his farking brains in.

/fark you and your spoilers.  Keep up.
 
2013-02-13 11:05:06 AM  
I said "But" twice.

I like buts.
 
2013-02-13 11:05:59 AM  
My guess based on those pages is that Negan didn't actually do anything bad to Carl.  Making his freakout totally unwarranted and giving us a more complex character in Negan than we were lead to believe.  He's already shown a fondness for Carl's attitude and badassery so far.
 
2013-02-13 11:06:10 AM  

NeoCortex42: Meethos: I got tired of Kirkman's slow emotional/physical torture porn.

It seems that's all he's got left in the tank at this point.  He has to make each new situation worse than whatever's come before.  So Negan had to act damn near inhuman in order to be worse than the Governor.

I still read the comic, but I really think Kirkman should think about wrapping it up and moving onto another project soon.  Sure, it could theoretically go on forever, but not without getting incredibly repetitive and even more depressing.


1) Group struggles to survive.
2) Group finds apparent salvation.
3) Chance at stability ruined by other humans.
4) Main character dies.
5) Repeat steps 1-5.
 
2013-02-13 11:07:53 AM  

NeoCortex42: Meethos: I got tired of Kirkman's slow emotional/physical torture porn.

It seems that's all he's got left in the tank at this point.  He has to make each new situation worse than whatever's come before.  So Negan had to act damn near inhuman in order to be worse than the Governor.

I still read the comic, but I really think Kirkman should think about wrapping it up and moving onto another project soon.  Sure, it could theoretically go on forever, but not without getting incredibly repetitive and even more depressing.


Could you put a guess as to the number of "seasons" the comic has been running compared to the TV show?

f the show has plans for a definitive story arc, I actually think this gives them better opportunities for more meaningful character deaths.

They can't just keep introducing red shirts that immediately get offed while keeping the core characters alive, and they can't just kill off core characters for a one-off boost in ratings.  Does anyone believe they're actually going to kill off Darryl Norman Reedus?  I think set number of seasons works best for the TV show.
 
2013-02-13 11:10:16 AM  

born_yesterday: NeoCortex42: Meethos: I got tired of Kirkman's slow emotional/physical torture porn.

It seems that's all he's got left in the tank at this point.  He has to make each new situation worse than whatever's come before.  So Negan had to act damn near inhuman in order to be worse than the Governor.

I still read the comic, but I really think Kirkman should think about wrapping it up and moving onto another project soon.  Sure, it could theoretically go on forever, but not without getting incredibly repetitive and even more depressing.

Could you put a guess as to the number of "seasons" the comic has been running compared to the TV show?

f the show has plans for a definitive story arc, I actually think this gives them better opportunities for more meaningful character deaths.

They can't just keep introducing red shirts that immediately get offed while keeping the core characters alive, and they can't just kill off core characters for a one-off boost in ratings.  Does anyone believe they're actually going to kill off Darryl Norman Reedus?  I think set number of seasons works best for the TV show.



We are arguably in 'season 5' of the comic, if a season is defined as at least a year long story arc that is fairly self-contained in location or setting.  Most major story arcs in the comic have been 15-25 issues.
 
2013-02-13 11:16:36 AM  

smimmy: I stopped reading at #100. Did anybody catch his reference to it in "Invincible"?  How he wanted to try something different and it really didn't work out?  Apparently, I'm far from the only person who dropped the book at that point. He should have ended it a while back.  It's pretty obvious that Rick dies at the end of this series by now, isn't it?  I can't blame him for riding the money train but there's definitely diminishing returns for dragging it out longer than it deserves.


I figure there's a few possible endings, depending on the theme he wants to go with:
1) "We are the walking dead".  Rick dies, Carl has to kill him after he turns.  Carl then walks off into the distance alone.
2) "After the end of the world, nothing changes".  After another story arc, Rick and Carl are the only survivors and just walk off down the road to repeat things over and over with another group of survivors, with no hope of a happy ending.
3) "The Universe really hates Rick."  Carl dies and Rick has to kill him after he turns.  Rick then either kills himself, or just cries/screams in the last panel.
4) "The happy ending."  Nope, not going to happen.
 
2013-02-13 11:19:25 AM  
img2.timeinc.net
"I had no idea that the Grimes' (pause) were biters!"
 
2013-02-13 11:34:56 AM  

TwistedFark: While I appreciate some of the differences between the comic and the tv show (like yeah, maybe Glen won't DIE IN THE DAMN TV SHOW *shakes fist in rage at comic book*) I'm starting to get a liiiiiitle bit too tired of the pacing.


I thought it was pretty interesting that we got the flipside of the "Glen Incident" this week on the show, when he bootfarked that walker's head.
 
2013-02-13 11:35:47 AM  
media.tumblr.com

When are they gonna get to the fireworks factory?!?
 
2013-02-13 11:36:49 AM  
I just hope Negan's death is more satisfying than The Governor's.
 
2013-02-13 12:06:14 PM  
That's been the biggest con in today's pop culture: TWD comic has never been all that great. Invincible was and has been better issue to issue the entire time. If Kirikman is getting showrunners fired so that he can keep making the show more like the book, I have a hunch it's going to blow up in his face. Of course, watching AMC crash and burn (after Breaking Bad wraps, or course) would give me a total schadenfreude boner.
 
2013-02-13 12:07:50 PM  

Hilarity_N_Sues: A one-legged puppy?


Answers to the name "Lucky"
 
2013-02-13 12:29:09 PM  
Damn, that's a lot of WD hate right off the bat, people.
 
2013-02-13 12:40:35 PM  

kumanoki: Damn, that's a lot of WD hate right off the bat, people.


I like both the show and the comic, but both have legitimate issues.  The show had terrible problems with pacing in the second season.  Also, the revolving door of show runners can't be helping things.  The comic is at a point where it would be better served to wrap up and stand as a completed series.  Maybe Kirkman could revisit the world of the Walking Dead through limited series looking at other groups during various times.  Maybe a limited series adapting that prequel novel about the Governor?  Or something tying directly into the characters that showed up in the video game?  There's lots of potential, but I think Rick and Carl's story has pretty much been told at this point aside from the ending.
 
2013-02-13 12:47:47 PM  
My husband had picked up TWD compilation 1 a couple of Christmases ago - I read it in less than a day, and was really hooked.  Picked up the second compilation this Christmas, and I'm sick to my stomach.

The stuff that happened with The Governor was depraved etc. etc. and really hit me hard.  The stuff that happens in compilation 2 - just plain ew.  There is nothing there to keep me reading.  Like a Farker posted earlier in this thread, if the author doesn't give you any kind of hope, and all they do is pile on gore, hatred, doom and gloom, then people will lose interest.

Like me.
 
2013-02-13 12:48:47 PM  
To the people who think there wouldn't be psycho killers like Negan running around...

You're very wrong.

Just watch Doomsday Preppers.
Half those clowns on the show...you can tell...are just WAITING for an apocalypse to rid the world of laws so they can whip out their weapons and wreak vengeance on the remaining people for whatever reason they want to use as justification.

Imagine the Russian hammer killers loose in a world without laws...
Imagine a young BTK armed and loose...
What if someone like Jim Jones, Charles Manson, hell...even the church Jeffries guy or the lunatic Nike dude who thought he and his crew would hop on a comet?

Those weirdos got people to follow them...some just a few, Jim Jones...hundreds did what he said...

Oh yeah...you'd get Negan and more if this really happened.
 
2013-02-13 01:02:35 PM  

farkerofDOOM: My husband had picked up TWD compilation 1 a couple of Christmases ago - I read it in less than a day, and was really hooked.  Picked up the second compilation this Christmas, and I'm sick to my stomach.

The stuff that happened with The Governor was depraved etc. etc. and really hit me hard.  The stuff that happens in compilation 2 - just plain ew.  There is nothing there to keep me reading.  Like a Farker posted earlier in this thread, if the author doesn't give you any kind of hope, and all they do is pile on gore, hatred, doom and gloom, then people will lose interest.

Like me.


I'm about to give up on the comic, because like you said, all they do is pile on gore, hatred, doom and gloom.  There has to be a sense of progress, a light at the end of the tunnel, or an end game.  Kirkman is just recycling plots at this point - find another safe haven, barricade it, get overrun by assholes and/or zombies, move on to find another safe haven, repeat.  I seriously hope that the TV show will diverge from the comic by the 4th season.  The Alexandria Safe Zone-Nagen storyline is boring as fark, and we've already seen bits and parts of it in the Herschel farm storyline and the prison/Woodbury storyline.  To me, the Woodbury storyline is the peak of the comic series.
 
2013-02-13 01:07:05 PM  

Rawhead Rex: To the people who think there wouldn't be psycho killers like Negan running around...

You're very wrong.

Just watch Doomsday Preppers.
Half those clowns on the show...you can tell...are just WAITING for an apocalypse to rid the world of laws so they can whip out their weapons and wreak vengeance on the remaining people for whatever reason they want to use as justification.

Imagine the Russian hammer killers loose in a world without laws...
Imagine a young BTK armed and loose...
What if someone like Jim Jones, Charles Manson, hell...even the church Jeffries guy or the lunatic Nike dude who thought he and his crew would hop on a comet?

Those weirdos got people to follow them...some just a few, Jim Jones...hundreds did what he said...

Oh yeah...you'd get Negan and more if this really happened.


Hell, just look at Africa over the years and the rise of various warlords.
 
2013-02-13 01:29:57 PM  

Rawhead Rex: To the people who think there wouldn't be psycho killers like Negan running around...

You're very wrong.

Just watch Doomsday Preppers.
Half those clowns on the show...you can tell...are just WAITING for an apocalypse to rid the world of laws so they can whip out their weapons and wreak vengeance on the remaining people for whatever reason they want to use as justification.

Imagine the Russian hammer killers loose in a world without laws...
Imagine a young BTK armed and loose...
What if someone like Jim Jones, Charles Manson, hell...even the church Jeffries guy or the lunatic Nike dude who thought he and his crew would hop on a comet?

Those weirdos got people to follow them...some just a few, Jim Jones...hundreds did what he said...

Oh yeah...you'd get Negan and more if this really happened.


You forgot about the "Hate" ingredient.

The real awful man does to man is predicated on hate. Darwinian struggles don't produce that... politics does.

In zombieworld, behaving like a tyrant will get you alone, fast. Human beings have lived and thrived in anarchy for most of their existence, and we survived by cooperating. When the environment conspires to kill us, we band together. Zombies are like the weather: emotionless, agendaless, but omnipresent and potentially lethal. It makes zero sense to abuse those who ensure your survival, and this isn't just a guideline, it's a rule. Even Hitler had to fear his men more than he did the enemy, and that whole slaughter was driven by politics.

WWII? Hatred.
African bush wars? Hatred.
Zombies? Where's the hate?

Nobody would follow a prepper, or a madman, when the world is full of zombies. It's The Riddle Of Steel, dudes.
 
2013-02-13 01:36:15 PM  
I am certain there would be Psycho Killers around. Hell, I think smashing ambulatory corpses all day would make you into one, of a sort. 
I just don't think it would get them anywhere in an environment where cooperation is rewarded with quality of life, even moreso than our current world. In zombieworld, there are no politics. Other survivors would mean hope, not fear. WWZ is the best example of what I mean, from a fakeassed apocalypse perspective.

There would be struggles for territory. There would be bloody confrontations. But it wouldn't take much for the masses to realize who the enemy really was. These demagogues would have one hell of a time maintaining power unless they reached political equilibrium, because the external threat looms large.
 
2013-02-13 01:38:54 PM  
Jonestown happened because the followers perceived the world to be an external threat. Jim Jones would have had zero followers if he started publicly bashing the brains out of other people. Hitler had to hide the death camps from his own people, and even then, his own guys were constantly trying to kill him.
 
2013-02-13 01:39:56 PM  
Then again, that wouldn't explain Mesoamerica. Hmmmm.
 
2013-02-13 01:52:44 PM  
Wtf is with the annoying ass banner ad on the mobile site that stays in the middle of the screen and can be closed? That's shiat
 
2013-02-13 02:04:43 PM  

smimmy: NeoCortex42: Meethos: I got tired of Kirkman's slow emotional/physical torture porn.

It seems that's all he's got left in the tank at this point.  He has to make each new situation worse than whatever's come before.  So Negan had to act damn near inhuman in order to be worse than the Governor.

I still read the comic, but I really think Kirkman should think about wrapping it up and moving onto another project soon.  Sure, it could theoretically go on forever, but not without getting incredibly repetitive and even more depressing.

I stopped reading at #100. Did anybody catch his reference to it in "Invincible"?  How he wanted to try something different and it really didn't work out?  Apparently, I'm far from the only person who dropped the book at that point. He should have ended it a while back.  It's pretty obvious that Rick dies at the end of this series by now, isn't it?  I can't blame him for riding the money train but there's definitely diminishing returns for dragging it out longer than it deserves.


I stopped reading at 100 too. I realized I wasn't enjoying it anymore, the experience of reading it was just masochistic at this point.

I like the idea... everyone is farked, the human world is at an end... but I got the point already, and now it's just depressing.
 
2013-02-13 02:15:04 PM  
*spoiler*


I was right about Carl and Negan.
 
2013-02-13 02:53:18 PM  

Rawhead Rex: To the people who think there wouldn't be psycho killers like Negan running around...

You're very wrong.

Just watch Doomsday Preppers.
Half those clowns on the show...you can tell...are just WAITING for an apocalypse to rid the world of laws so they can whip out their weapons and wreak vengeance on the remaining people for whatever reason they want to use as justification.


Few of those sorts of people would survive for long.
 
2013-02-13 03:12:06 PM  

reklamfox: Wtf is with the annoying ass banner ad on the mobile site that stays in the middle of the screen and can be closed? That's shiat


Ass banner?

theconservativeparent.com
 
2013-02-13 03:20:21 PM  

BafflerMeal: *spoiler*


I was right about Carl and Negan.


Overall the issue was pretty 'meh'.  It's just more setup.  There probably be at least a couple more issues of Rick planning whatever he's planning against Negan before there's a real confrontation.  Then I'm sure the town and most of the inhabitants will die and Rick and Carl will need to find a new place to live.  Either that, or the town finally kicks him out.
 
2013-02-13 03:23:12 PM  

Nickster79: The poor kid has already had half his face blown off. I shudder to think what Negan will do that will probably be even worse.


My guess was to gouge out his other eye. Though that's just a total shot in the dark.... he does have an odd sort of admiration for Carl, which really opens up the possibilities dramatically.

And regarding the repetition in the comics people are complaining about.... I'm actually guessing that Alexandria remains the home base for the foreseeable future, and curiosity about "Ezekiel" on the cover of issue 108 will have me coming back for at least another month or two:

images1.wikia.nocookie.net

/yes that's a tiger
 
2013-02-14 12:03:49 AM  
Sure enough, a "Where's Carl?" moment on pg 3...
 
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