basemetal: Could have given him s'mores time.
One Bad Apple: basemetal: Could have given him s'mores time.That is a 3rd degree pun at best
ShawnDoc: fredklein: I fixed that for youWell, his manifesto, which he posted to his facebook after the shooting, pretty much confirms his involvement in the killing of the woman and her finance in Irvine.
Dr. Goldshnoz: tolallorti: http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-dorner-charges-20130212,0,596 9 685,full.storyAfter authorities interviewed the boat captain early Thursday, they found Dorner's wallet and identification cards "at the San Ysidro Point of Entry"http://www.mercurynews.com/crime-courts/ci_22580199/christopher-dorn er -manhunt-body-found-inside-burned-outHe never emerged from the ruins and hours later a charred body was found in the basement of the burned cabin along with a wallet and personal items, including a California driver's license with the name Christopher DornerSo if his wallet and identification cards were found tossed earlier in the week, how did cops find his wallet and driver's license in the burned out house?this is also bugging the shiat out of me.
Big Ramifications: libranoelrose: Big Ramifications: being covered up?Criminal behavior being SOP in the LAPD?Thanks. 'Cept now I have to hit Urban dictionary to figure out what SOP means....
reggaejunkiejew: the cabin caught fire "accidentally from a flash grenade". What a bunch of Baloney.
make me some tea: doyner: daRog: cretinbob: It's kebabcretinbob, meet doyner.doyner; cretinbobEverybody's a critic...Pleased to meet you.It can be spelled multiple ways, depending on which country.I've seen it spelledkebabkebobkababkabob
One Bad Apple: doyner: One Bad Apple: basemetal: Could have given him s'mores time.That is a 3rd degree pun at bestAfter 6 days on the run he's probably pretty ashy by now.He did urn that death sentence
raatz01: Is there confirmation it's him? I still got 70/30 odds they murdered some homeless man "accidentally."
BostonEMT: Bontesla: Also - was there official confirmation that Dorner was in that cabin before they set it on fire? As of last night - they believe there was a guy inside who looked like Dorner.In unrelated news, family members state that LL Cool J has gone missing.
HaywoodJablonski: I get that the guy's name is Forner and he's burnt like a kebab, but I don't see how this is a pun. Care to enlighten me?
Big Ramifications: GAT_00: sithon: geeze ,the cops sure go nuts when they're the victims. I wish they were that energetic when an average citizen was murdered .This whole thing has been off. There's no reason to believe they're telling the truth about any of this, the response doesn't come close to matching it.~~Can anyone tell me WHAT is possibly being covered up?Or point me to a tin foil hat link?It's been doing my head in. Cover up cover up cover up cover up cover up cover up cover up cover up cover up cover up cover up cover up cover up cover up cover up cover up cover up cover up cover up cover up cover up cover up cover up cover up cover up cover up cover up cover up!!!Understood already. What are they covering up? And who are "they" for that matter?
Tony_Pepperoni: friedlinx: AverageAmericanGuy: You almost want to root for Dorner to come out of this unscathed just to put his thumb in the LAPD's eye.^THIS^^THAT^
me texan: This will be a stolen headline joke for sure. So wrong.. yet nailed it. +1
Popular Opinion: It's been a while, but nice to see you still post like a dickhead (with all due respect).they deliberately burned this guy down.they figured this out some time ago in texas, don't eff with the establishment.i can't think of a worse, or more indiscriminate way to die or kill somebody,it is horrific that the government and police that we pay to protect us can act in this way, and then justify it.the same mentality (sorry to repeat myself) can justify the bombing of peasants in mud huts, thousands of miles a away, in the name of security for the American people.i, for one, say this is not in my name, and not for my safety.
I can't get the cap off!: fredklein: I can't get the cap off!: And the witnesses who confirmed that no kicking took place? What about them?There were none, unless you count the cop herself.The witnesses you're talking about could not confirm the kick happened, which is different from confirming the kick didn't happen.If I close my eyes, I don't see something, and cannot testify that I did. But I'm not testifying that it didn't happen.So the only person who saw a kick was a clearly mentally ill police officer, who had a clear incentive to fabricate said story?Yeah, this is getting more legit all the time.
mudpants: incendiary tear gas ? what is that ? and if it causes fires why does it need to make eyes water ?
SirVagTheTighty: I heard it may have been "friendly fire".Where at? Fark doesn't count.
SirVagTheTighty: nekom: SirVagTheTighty:(also how does fish and wild life guys wind up manning a check point for a serial killer?)I don't know how it is there, but here in Pennsylvania the fish and game commission police are actual, factual cops. They all carry firearms and they do have the power to arrest you. They are most certainly a law enforcement branch.I am in the midwest too so don't know. They may have police powers here (ky/oh) but I'd certainly never expect to see them in the middle of something like this....
apoptotic: KellyKellyKelly: dittybopper: BostonEMT: Bontesla: Also - was there official confirmation that Dorner was in that cabin before they set it on fire? As of last night - they believe there was a guy inside who looked like Dorner.In unrelated news, family members state that LL Cool J has gone missing.I heard he was going back to Cali.I don't think so.He was partying in LA with Brad Paisley last night. Seriously. Paisley tweeted a picture of them "rockin' out".
cman: against procedure. He wanted to go out in a blaze as a martyr for the cause, and having them killl him, right or wrong, more than likely concretized this in his mind. His moral justification for his behavior was larger than the those on paper, either the bible or the constitution, and he was willing to die for that cause...but he wasnt going to do it like a buddhist monk. He had to make a point.Oh hell yeah there is corruption in the LAPD. There is racism indeed. But, he crossed a line when he shot the daughter who was completely uninvolved. Whatever his message was, it is tainted by the fact that he in cold blood killed a civilian.There will be an investigation, and there will be wrath.
Aces and Eights: So whose cabin was this, anyway?
tweek46420: word is they found the body
doyner: One Bad Apple: basemetal: Could have given him s'mores time.That is a 3rd degree pun at bestAfter 6 days on the run he's probably pretty ashy by now.
C18H27NO3: "We did not intentionally burn down that cabin to get Mr. Dorner out," San Bernardino Sheriff John McMahon said.
SlothB77: http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2013/02/dorner-manhunt-highly-i n cendiary-hot-gas-used-on-cabin.html
85blue: Is popular opinion favoring the notion Dorner was killed to protect the greatest number of people or Dorner died trying to protect the greatest number of people?
ok it's getting late in the day.
WHAR DEATH CERTIFICATWHAR!?\o/|/\
lousyskater: Wait, so they found his wallet on the boat on Monday, but also found it in the burnt down cabin today? I know its been brought up already, but that just confuses the crap out of me.
Biological Ali: Police (in the US at any rate) pursuing a suspect believed to be armed and dangerous are under no obligation to wait for him to shoot first before being able to use lethal force to incapacitate him.
SubBass49: The thought occurred to me this morning...I wonder what the overlap would be between the people that were happy about the cops torching Dorner without bothering to call in a negotiator (and thus enabling the possibility of due process through our justice system)......and...Fark PatriotsTMthat complain about Obama every 5 minutes somehow violating the constitution.I'd like to see that Venn diagram, and then pose the question: "Do you people know how farking hypocritical you are, or are you completely oblivious to it?"Just curious.
nekom: neversubmit: [lh6.googleusercontent.com image 359x373]that's a shoop, right?
Amos Quito: Those that wear the Jackboots, and those that lick the Jackboots.
Bartleby the Scrivener: mudpants: " driven back inside by police when he tried to flee out the back "so, he tried to come out and they drove him back in? and then burnt the place down ?This is translated into Logicalese as, "Dorner tried to escape out the back door, but observed that he was surrounded by law enforcement officers and had nowhere to run. He then returned inside the cabin to prepare for his final bowel movement."
Popcorn Johnny: inner ted: that's pretty farking stupid - but i think you know that and are just trollingI'm not trolling at all, the words of one or two panicked/scared/pissed off/vengeful officers does not mean that an order was given by command to torch the place.
SlothB77: i find it curious everything in the cabin is burnt to a crisp, but the ID is readable. Did Dorner put the ID in a fireproof safe or something?
Infamous El Guapo: Odds are the original wallet and ID found was possibly military ID in a separate flip wallet and was found in his bail out bag or similar bag he ditched either by accident or out of haste.Not to say the cops aren't above tossing a wallet down found elsewhere and hollering and pointing at it, but I'm inclined to go with the former hypothesis.
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CowboyUpCowgirlDown: Based on all the available information, what makes you believe this suspect dropped his gun or was "lost"?
CowboyUpCowgirlDown: omeganuepsilon: CowboyUpCowgirlDown: You don't need a "positive ID" to shoot back.In an active firefight, yes. Hours or days after the fact, you sure as shiat do.Your problem is saying that your civil rights are unilaterally waived. That is an absolute that is simply not true, or rather, misleading to the point of irrelevance.Sure, the cops are allowed to defend themselves from imminent threat. When that threat is over, it's a new day. They can't just can't randomly shoot at suspects, they need to positively ID them(or again come into a situation where they are under imminent threat), before they can open fire.Why?Innocent until proven guilty.This is not to protect the guilty, it's to protect the innocent. When you do not make a positive ID and simply guess, innocents get shot at. This case is proof positive of that phenomenon.Now, I can't tell if you're a troll or really just don't understand the concepts of the justice system or civics or personal rights, such as that to a fair trial and the ability for police to employ lethal force and it's restrictions. But really, you sound extremely ignorant, please attempt to rectify that before trying to converse further.Simple fact is. Once that gun drops, or suspect is lost, the game resets. No rights are waived permanently as you imply.We are both relying on news reports, some of which are going to be wrong in a breaking news story. Based on all the available information, what makes you believe this suspect dropped his gun or was "lost"? They watched him run into a cabin, from which they received direct fire. A few minutes later, he tried to run out of the cabin, and they returned fire, forcing him to return to the cabin. This isn't like playing cops and robbers in your back yard: there is no "reset" so long as they believe the suspect in the cabin is hell bent on shooting back.As for ignorance: My IQ is 142, I spent 30 years in law enforcement and I would bet I knew more cops who died of ...
zabadu: BraveNewCheneyWorld: qualtrough: The cops burned him for the same reason the US burned tens of thousands of men, women, and children at Hiroshima and Nagasaki. To save lives.Bullshiat. He was one man, he can't stay awake forever, they easily could have watched him with thermal imagers, waited for him to sleep, then drilled a small hole in the cabin, pumped it full of knock out gas, then taken their time to enter while checking for traps and apprehended him.This was deliberate, vengeful murder on the part of the police.All I can add is that someone watches way too many TV shows. "Knock out gas"? Seriously? And wouldn't the drill have awakened him?
BraveNewCheneyWorld: qualtrough: The cops burned him for the same reason the US burned tens of thousands of men, women, and children at Hiroshima and Nagasaki. To save lives.Bullshiat. He was one man, he can't stay awake forever, they easily could have watched him with thermal imagers, waited for him to sleep, then drilled a small hole in the cabin, pumped it full of knock out gas, then taken their time to enter while checking for traps and apprehended him.This was deliberate, vengeful murder on the part of the police.
special20: there is a remaining fact that Dorner is in fact black. Perhaps, much blacker now
nekom: The ends justify the means? In this case, I'd say that's AT BEST highly debatable.
In U.S. criminal law, necessity may be either a possible justification or an exculpation for breaking the law. Defendants seeking to rely on this defense argue that they should not be held liable for their actions as a crime because their conduct was necessary to prevent some greater harm and when that conduct is not excused under some other more specific provision of law such as self defense.
If a fire or flood is threatening to spread out of control, it may be reasonably necessary to destroy other property to form a fire break, or to trespass on land to throw up mounds of earth to prevent the water from spreading.
styckx: The Shatner Incident: Does anyone think that law enforcement set the place on fire to kill him a la Waco?/considering the state of LE, I don't doubt it.Anyone listening to the police scanner heard it and there are numerous recordings (I just posted a transcript of part of it) of it posted eveywhere of one of the cops directing them to burn the farker down..
ZackDanger: You don't "push someone back in" to a building who you are trying to apprehend. And realistically, say what you will, even the cops that "wanted him dead" know that their duty is to apprehend.
PoTBoT: ZackDanger: Here is what I think happened:Some annoying, a-hole cop (whom none of the other cops like) was screaming and carrying on about "burning the place down" all day. And all his buddies were like "Ron, relax... we can't just burn the place down. We have procedure and rules."Then Dorner either set a fire, or Tear Gas canisters caused a fire, etc.And all the cops were like "Oh great... Thanks a lot Ron. Now everyone is going to be convinced we did it on purpose."Honestly... not sure how they could have deliberately set a fire. Police don't have any sort of incendiary rounds to purposely set fires with... Flash bangs and tear gas however can get extremely hot and ignite combustable materials.Yep, that's likely going to be their story verbatim. Or Ron did it.It's pretty easy to set a wood building on fire, in numerous ways with things they would have had ready access to, even at range.
nekom: I'm just trying not to jump on the conspiracy bandwagon prematurely.
dittybopper: BostonEMT: Bontesla: Also - was there official confirmation that Dorner was in that cabin before they set it on fire? As of last night - they believe there was a guy inside who looked like Dorner.In unrelated news, family members state that LL Cool J has gone missing.I heard he was going back to Cali.
Ecobuckeye: I'm far from a defender of the police, but from the recording it sounds like they were attempting to flush him out "the four side." Rather than escape the burning building, he shot himself. I'd would call it a shiatty tactic, but it didn't sound terribly nefarious to me.
TheWarp: cman: Mid_mo_mad_man: Why is this trash considered a hero? Murdering people to make a statement is terrorism. He's no more a hero then the 9/11 hijackers. May he rot in hell and be raped by Satan./ LL Cool Jay should play him in the filmI dont think anyone sees him as a hero.The police certainly aren't fitting the role either.
hinten: Direct quote from the police scanner feed: "We are going to go forward with the plan to burn."Who knew that the police falls back on strategies optimized in the Middle Ages. Who is going to do an analysis of all the scandals that accured over the last couple of days?
Jeeemz: FTA: "Dorner, who reportedly crashed a purple Nissan, was then spotted driving a 2008 four-door, white Dodge 4X4 truck around 1:30 p.m."Always with the white SUV.
AverageAmericanGuy: You almost want to root for Dorner to come out of this unscathed just to put his thumb in the LAPD's eye.
publikenemy: AverageAmericanGuy: You almost want to root for Dorner to come out of this unscathed just to put his thumb in the LAPD's eye.Also it would be awesome to put a thumb in the eye of the wives, children, grandchildren, friends, and relatives of the INNOCENT people he assassinated right?...cuz you know....Fark them
ArtosRC: I'm sure we'll learn how the fire started. Mhmm.
The Shatner Incident: Does anyone think that law enforcement set the place on fire to kill him a la Waco?/considering the state of LE, I don't doubt it.
libranoelrose: This is a bad joke, and you should feel bad.
doyner: make me some tea: doyner: daRog: cretinbob: It's kebabcretinbob, meet doyner.doyner; cretinbobEverybody's a critic...Pleased to meet you.It can be spelled multiple ways, depending on which country.I've seen it spelledkebabkebobkababkabobOr cretinbab
daRog: cretinbob: It's kebabcretinbob, meet doyner.doyner; cretinbob
cretinbob: It's kebab
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