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2013-02-12 10:36:59 PM  
31 votes:
geeze ,the cops sure go nuts when they're the victims. I wish they were that energetic when an average citizen was murdered .
2013-02-12 10:39:31 PM  
12 votes:
We all knew there was no way he'd be taken alive.
2013-02-12 10:40:33 PM  
10 votes:

sithon: geeze ,the cops sure go nuts when they're the victims. I wish they were that energetic when an average citizen was murdered .


This whole thing has been off.  There's no reason to believe they're telling the truth about any of this, the response doesn't come close to matching it.
2013-02-13 05:03:04 AM  
7 votes:

The Shatner Incident: Unfortunately, I was away from my computer to listen to the scanner. Man, LE went too far on this one. If you can't shoot him, wait him out. Cut the power. Cut the water.


Continuing that thought... Bring in large, loudspeakers and banks of lights, so you can keep him up all night with music and blinding light. Toss a throw-phone to the cabin and try to communicate with him (using an impartial FBI hostage negotiator). You know, the usual stuff they do with barricaded gunmen wanted for murder.
2013-02-13 04:15:07 AM  
7 votes:

Acharne: I see the Los Angeles Posse Department got their man. It kinda reminds me of Waco. Does it remind anyone else of Waco? Any officers accidentally shoot themselves in a leg during the bloodlust?


Waco, SLA in the 70s, Those dudes in Philly.  Bottom line is, if you've pissed off the PD enough and they've cornered you, they ain't gonna negotiate, they'll just light you on fire.
2013-02-12 10:39:48 PM  
7 votes:
Did anyone ever really suspect that he's see a courtroom?
2013-02-13 10:36:57 AM  
5 votes:

nekom: Well, if he had surrendered, he could have tried to convince a jury of that. Somehow I doubt they would buy it.


Judging from how the cops treated people they merely thought might maybe possiblybe Dorner:

www.pslweb.org
extras.mnginteractive.com

I feel pretty sure he would not have made it to trial, no matter how peaceably he surrendered.
2013-02-13 06:41:22 AM  
5 votes:

Bartleby the Scrivener: Dorner wasnt going to surrender, and no length or amount of negotiation would have resulted in his peaceful resignation. Dykes was taken out after 6 days. What makes anyone think dorner would go differently?

From one perspective this could be an extreme example of suicide by cop. He wrote his letter and said his goodbyes. He forced a larger hand than any due process could grasp.


Nope.

Just because someone might be violent, and might want to go out in a blaze of glory (no pun intended) does not mean the police are automatically allowed to skip trying to get them to give up peacefully. Would it have taken days to accomplish? Maybe. Would they have had to bring in a negotiator from an outside agency - perhaps one Dorner might trust, such as the FBI - to get him out peacefully? Perhaps. Regardless of what it might have taken, the police should have made every effort to do it, because to not bring Dorner in alive just fuels the speculation that he was killed by the cops, as revenge or to silence him. Especially now that audio of the scanner traffic has been released, talking about the burn plan.

Dorner deserved his day in court, just like every alleged criminal does. The police don't get to decide if that criminal is not going to give up, and burn the building they are holed up in.
2013-02-13 01:13:39 PM  
4 votes:
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-dorner-charges-20130212,0,596 9 685,full.story

After authorities interviewed the boat captain early Thursday, they found Dorner's wallet and identification cards "at the San Ysidro Point of Entry"

http://www.mercurynews.com/crime-courts/ci_22580199/christopher-dorn er -manhunt-body-found-inside-burned-out

He never emerged from the ruins and hours later a charred body was found in the basement of the burned cabin along with a wallet and personal items, including a California driver's license with the name Christopher Dorner

So if his wallet and identification cards were found tossed earlier in the week, how did cops find his wallet and driver's license in the burned out house?
2013-02-13 12:21:08 PM  
4 votes:

the money is in the banana stand: Excuse me but he lost his ACCUSED status when he started shooting and killing cops.


Huh.  I thought one lost their accused status following a conviction, dismissal, or acquittal.
2013-02-13 06:00:46 AM  
4 votes:
Trail by a jury of your peers.

Not an execution by the asshats you have a complaint against.

You cannot pick and choose the parts of the Constitution you want to follow.

The cops have to follow Due Process. It is what makes this country great and establishes the rule of law. Anyone cheering on the police, doesn't get that the other murder is still alleged. Alleged means they think he did but have not prove so in a court of law. You know the way things are meant to work.

I am not saying this guy is a hero, far from it. I think he was someone that needed some serious help and didn't get it. The LAPD needs some serious help too, first in how to conduct police business, second in law, and third, how to capture someone.
2013-02-13 04:07:02 AM  
4 votes:

The Shatner Incident: Does anyone think that law enforcement set the place on fire to kill him a la Waco?

/considering the state of LE, I don't doubt it.


they did....there is scanner audio that pretty much says burn the farker
www.greatnorthernprepper.com
word is they found the body
2013-02-13 04:03:17 AM  
4 votes:
Does anyone think that law enforcement set the place on fire to kill him a la Waco?

/considering the state of LE, I don't doubt it.
2013-02-12 10:24:08 PM  
4 votes:
That's just wrong wrong wrong wrong and wrong...
+1
2013-02-14 12:31:58 AM  
3 votes:
"We did not intentionally burn down that cabin to get Mr. Dorner out," San Bernardino Sheriff John McMahon said.

Yeah, fark you, you didn't. And I suppose if you said there is no corruption in California police departments you'd have us believe that, too.
/farking whatever
2013-02-13 09:23:40 PM  
3 votes:
It would be nice if someone would start a petition at the whitehouse site to have the doj investigate this as a potential murder.
2013-02-13 09:11:54 PM  
3 votes:
A while ago I saw the San Bernardino County sheriff say to a press conference on CNN that they did not burn down the cabin on purpose. He actually said those words.

/Lying little doggie, isn't he?
//They had a PLAN to burn the cabin, then executed the PLAN and burned the guy, whether he was alive or dead.
///They caused the fire to start.
2013-02-13 03:07:12 PM  
3 votes:
The thought occurred to me this morning...

I wonder what the overlap would be between the people that were happy about the cops torching Dorner without bothering to call in a negotiator (and thus enabling the possibility of due process through our justice system)...

...and...

Fark PatriotsTMthat complain about Obama every 5 minutes somehow violating the constitution.

I'd like to see that Venn diagram, and then pose the question: "Do you people know how farking hypocritical you are, or are you completely oblivious to it?"

Just curious.
2013-02-13 02:39:19 PM  
3 votes:

Popcorn Johnny: inner ted: that's pretty farking stupid - but i think you know that and are just trolling

I'm not trolling at all, the words of one or two panicked/scared/pissed off/vengeful officers does not mean that an order was given by command to torch the place.



There are two kinds of Authoritarians:

Those that wear the Jackboots, and those that lick the Jackboots.
2013-02-13 10:56:59 AM  
3 votes:
So they torch the big, bad, black man after shooting randomly at innocents.
Way to prove his points.
2013-02-13 10:48:40 AM  
3 votes:

Coco LaFemme: machoprogrammer: Anyone else find this whole thing really suspicious? I mean, they sure went out of there way to look for the guy, when there are guys out there a hell of a lot worse who are running around wanted. Almost as if Dorner was telling the truth about the corruption

Oh no, the cops wanted to find someone who killed four people and was targeting relatives of cops he had problems with! THE HORROR.


in December of 2012, there were 46 murders in Los Angeles.  How many were investigated this well, given this kind of manpower, etc.?

Yeah.  Screw the poor, the brown & black, etc...this guy went after cops.

/what he did wasn't right, just pointing out the reason many are pissed
2013-02-13 10:40:54 AM  
3 votes:
Anyone got a screencap of CNN yesterday when it said "Explosives Fired Into Cabin" in nice big letters as the place burned down?

/FEDERAL investigation is needed
/State & local authorities have too much vested in the outcome to be impartial
2013-02-13 08:17:20 AM  
3 votes:
This stinks to high heaven all the way around. They need to tear the LAPD apart and investigate it in it's entirety.

However, this man lost whatever high ground he had when he murdered Monica Quan for doing nothing more than being the daughter to one of the folk's he had a beef with.
2013-02-13 08:14:18 AM  
3 votes:

The Muthaship: My money says he died of a self-inflicted gunshot wound.  Eddie Murphy told me that black people don't die in fires.




He did. I listened to the whole thing go down on police scanner... He was wounded and couldnt mount a fight anymore. The cops set the house on fire, and were waiting for him to run out so they could blast him. Instead, he shot himself in the head with a single gunshot. The house went up in flames, and they could hear his ammo cooking off.

He chose suicide over being burned.
2013-02-13 07:16:48 AM  
3 votes:

The Shatner Incident: Does anyone think that law enforcement set the place on fire to kill him a la Waco?

/considering the state of LE, I don't doubt it.


I heard them say on the police scanner 'Burners deployed and we have fire.'

Then they continued to talk about how well the cabin was burning, that the fire had 'good penetration' and was 'self contained' and that they intended to just let it burn.

So yeah, they set the place on fire because burning a man alive is just as good as arresting him.

C18H27NO3: I was just listening to the audio and came back here to comment on exactly those same 5 lines but you've done it.
Hearing them sure makes it sound like they were being a little nefarious in their intentions.


Hearing it as it happened confirmed my suspicions as to why they got a no-fly zone declared and were ordering media to cut all live feeds (which you can hear earlier in the radio talk). It had nothing to do with the person in the cabin being able to see their positions. They just didn't want a video record from multiple angles of them setting a cabin on fire and burning a man alive.
2013-02-13 07:04:48 AM  
3 votes:

tirob: Four of the cops who beat the f**k out of Rodney King *were* put on trial.  They were acquitted.


True. true... and thus they are deemed "innocent" as far as the courtroom goes. Just as Dorner died an innocent man as far as the courtroom goes - not being given the opportunity to have a 'non-biased' jury decide his fate. I guess Dorner got the Equality he wanted in the end. He's just as innocent as they are.

The one thing that I HAVE seen is the video of the cops swinging, hitting and beating Rodney King. I've seen no video yet of Dorner doing anything accept getting money out of an ATM.

\a pig is a pig, no matter how much lipstick you use.
2013-02-13 06:41:01 AM  
3 votes:

Bartleby the Scrivener: cman: Bartleby the Scrivener: Dorner wasnt going to surrender, and no length or amount of negotiation would have resulted in his peaceful resignation. Dykes was taken out after 6 days. What makes anyone think dorner would go differently?

From one perspective this could be an extreme example of suicide by cop. He wrote his letter and said his goodbyes. He forced a larger hand than any due process could grasp.

Shhhh! Quiet you!

You are speaking against someone's preconceived beliefs. No matter what you say you aint changing their mind.

Ive changed at least 3 internet minds since 1996 ill have you know!

In evaluating my beliefs and the facts of this case, ive concluded the following. I believe there is corruption in the lapd and i also believe in due process for alleged criminals as a fundamental right. Typically, when emotions are as high as they were, it usually results in removal of a person who cannot be objective, distanced and rational enough to act accordingly, but in this case it was the entire lapd and related jurisdictions. No doubt there will at least be superficial investigation into procedures as deployed in response to the actions leading up to the incident. Yet, dorners whole MO was to get the police to act the way he believed them to be, trolling them to blow up against procedure. He wanted to go out in a blaze as a martyr for the cause, and having them killl him, right or wrong, more than likely concretized this in his mind. His moral justification for his behavior was larger than the those on paper, either the bible or the constitution, and he was willing to die for that cause...but he wasnt going to do it like a buddhist monk. He had to make a point.


Oh hell yeah there is corruption in the LAPD. There is racism indeed. But, he crossed a line when he shot the daughter who was completely uninvolved. Whatever his message was, it is tainted by the fact that he in cold blood killed a civilian.

There will be an investigation, and there will be wrath.
2013-02-13 05:50:54 AM  
3 votes:

Mid_mo_mad_man: ExperianScaresCthulhu: This blows.  Looks like the bad guys win in real life again.

Are you brain damaged? He could have surrendered to the last two cops he shot. No one but himself sealed his fate


You are naive.

If the option of surrender had been available, two women and one man would not have ended up with injuries, several peoples' houses and cars would not have been shot up while the police blew away anything that moved,  a dentist office wouldn't have witnessed a world record 3 minute response time because of a false sighting report, and people wouldn't have resorted to the Lowe's incident to get the police to actual respond to a real disturbance.

Dorner was a dead man walking. It was in the LAPD's best interests to murder him as quickly as possible.

/surrender was a real option, yeah right
//and DWB and WintgWW (walking in the ghetto while white) are urban legends
2013-02-13 05:46:50 AM  
3 votes:

cman: Mid_mo_mad_man: Why is this trash considered a hero? Murdering people to make a statement is terrorism. He's no more a hero then the 9/11 hijackers. May he rot in hell and be raped by Satan.

/ LL Cool Jay should play him in the film

I dont think anyone sees him as a hero.


The police certainly aren't fitting the role either.
2013-02-13 05:45:37 AM  
3 votes:

The Shatner Incident: styckx: The Shatner Incident: Does anyone think that law enforcement set the place on fire to kill him a la Waco?

/considering the state of LE, I don't doubt it.

Anyone listening to the police scanner heard it and there are numerous recordings (I just posted a transcript of part of it) of it posted eveywhere of one of the cops directing them to burn the farker down..

Unfortunately, I was away from my computer to listen to the scanner. Man, LE went too far on this one. If you can't shoot him, wait him out. Cut the power. Cut the water.


The sooner the LAPD murdered him, without a trial, the sooner the LAPD could get back to doing what it does best while the general public forgets everything... and the establishment media searches for a new reason not to engage in investigativve reporting anymore.
2013-02-13 05:41:15 AM  
3 votes:
Why is this trash considered a hero? Murdering people to make a statement is terrorism. He's no more a hero then the 9/11 hijackers. May he rot in hell and be raped by Satan.

/ LL Cool Jay should play him in the film
2013-02-13 04:28:51 AM  
3 votes:
You almost want to root for Dorner to come out of this unscathed just to put his thumb in the LAPD's eye.
2013-02-13 04:16:26 AM  
3 votes:

tweek46420: The Shatner Incident: Does anyone think that law enforcement set the place on fire to kill him a la Waco?

/considering the state of LE, I don't doubt it.

they did....there is scanner audio that pretty much says burn the farker
[www.greatnorthernprepper.com image 500x376]
word is they found the body


It's clear here around :40 http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/02/12/1186730/-BREAKING-Burn-that- f -ker-down-say-cops
2013-02-13 04:02:26 AM  
3 votes:
What he did was wrong.. What the cops did to kill him was worse..

"All right Steve we're gonna go...uh...we're gonna forward with the plan with the...with the burner"

"Copy"

"Want it..uh...liked we talked about"

"Burners deployed and we have a fire"

"Copy seven burners deployed and we have a a fire"
2013-02-13 12:16:31 AM  
3 votes:
i287.photobucket.com
2013-02-14 09:03:46 AM  
2 votes:

Popular Opinion: i just wish the mostly good police could find a way to get rid of the mostly bad ones.


They would have to cross the blue line of silence and testify against them. That would mean they get treated like every other drunk when they or their spouse gets pulled over for DUI, all because they snitched.

Being a cop has advantages.
2013-02-13 11:52:04 PM  
2 votes:

Biological Ali: there's really no plausible scenario in which the cops couldn't have had a "reasonable" belief that it was the suspect.


So, a death mark on every largish person who happens to be in the area.
Grounds keepers be damned.
Ranger in a cold weather parka?  BLAMMO kill 'em all and let god sort them out.
Hunter or Skier(whatever they do in the area) walking by and peeking in the cabins to check them out so he can decide if he wants to rent one on vacation next month.
etc

That kind of thinking is what got the 4 civilians shot at.  Has to be him, who else could it be?

Imminent danger or Positive ID of a known dangerous criminal
Anything less and the cop is not acting in the best interest of the people he is supposed to be protecting.  Be it selfish fear or an agenda, or functional retardation, he's a fark-up.
2013-02-13 11:16:31 PM  
2 votes:

tirob: I did?  Where?

What I have been saying here--over and over, in fact--is that we have too few facts to form a conclusion in this case, notwithstanding the assertions of some people here.


I was mistaken(I think..), damn quote chains.

I do disagree on your repeated point.  His history with the force should be reviewed / investigated thoroughly.  Hire all the way to fire.

1. As I mentioned above to Bio.  You don't let cops kill their accuser without thorough review.  ESPECIALLY when they do what they did to those other civilians.  That alone raises some huge suspicions that are relevant to Dorner.  You don't let them opt out by rationalizing and punishing just the shooters.
2. Even if we should just trust cops by and large, (which we shouldn't if we don't want them to be corrupt)LAPD doesn't have that great of a history, so we shouldn't just implicitly trust them. Even as Dorner notes, many of the past royal fark ups are still actually cops.  WTF is that about?
3. He was a cop and a military man.  How did he miss evaluations in the past if he's had this supposed persecution problem all of his life?
Is there something wrong with their Hire process?
2013-02-13 09:49:27 PM  
2 votes:

Alonjar: While I think its kind of farked up that they intentionally roasted him, you have to keep in mind that they didnt actually do anything wrong.  They applied lethal force to eliminate a threat.  No law says you have to use a firearm to do it.

The end result is the same. The only thing I can really throw at it would be cruel and unusual punishment, but eh.. good luck getting a judge to agree.



Didn't do anything "wrong"?

"Right" vs "wrong" is not the same as legal vs illegal, but you may have a point WRT the latter.

If you watch the video it's pretty obvious that this was PURELY an act of vindictive revenge: They had him pinned down - totally surrounded. They were laying down a curtain of gunfire that few soldiers would EVER see in battle, and fewer still would live to tell the tale.

With a perimeter established, they had no need to put themselves in harm's way - they could have just set up camp, ordered Chinese take-out (and lots of donuts and coffee, of course) and waited.

But they had NO such intentions. Two more cops had been shot (by who? who knows - god knows most of the gunfire heard on the video was coming from police weapons - and with all that lead flying around...)

These porkers were PISSED, and they fully intended indeed CONSPIRED to murder Dorner - not only to satisfy their vindictive bloodlust, but to send a message: DON'T FARK WITH THE BOYS IN BLUE.

Was what they did "wrong"? That's a matter of personal opinion. Was what they did illegal? I believe so - that is why we have courts, judges, juries - and, when necessary, designated executioners.

Dorner was a bad boy, but there were a LOT of bad boys playing in this melodrama. If the others walk free, it will not bode well for society.

/But that's just like, my opinion, man
2013-02-13 06:33:50 PM  
2 votes:

SirVagTheTighty: omeganuepsilon: SlothB77: http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2013/02/dorner-manhunt-highly-i n cendiary-hot-gas-used-on-cabin.html

Where are all the people that seemed to imply such things did not exist or that police do not employ them?

This is what I meant above about people making assumptions based on nothing but their own guesses and belief structure.

The detail about him continually shooting at them for 4 hours seems pertinent too.


He carried four hours worth of ammo for continual shooting with him as he evaded authorities in two different vehicles and on foot? That's pretty amazing. Do you have a source for that because I'm honestly curious as to how that is possible.
2013-02-13 06:23:47 PM  
2 votes:

I can't get the cap off!: justtray: I can't get the cap off!: fredklein: I can't get the cap off!: And the witnesses who confirmed that no kicking took place? What about them?

There were none, unless you count the cop herself.

The witnesses you're talking about could not confirm the kick happened, which is different from confirming the kick didn't happen.

If I close my eyes, I don't see something, and cannot testify that I did. But I'm not testifying that it didn't happen.

So the only person who saw a kick was a clearly mentally ill police officer, who had a clear incentive to fabricate said story?

Yeah, this is getting more legit all the time.

We got a regular Matlock here. Please, do continue. Normally I have to pay for this level of wild entertainment.

I just find it hilarious how everyone going on about due process is so willing to strip that right from the officer he accused.

What evidence do you have that the incident occurred as he claimed?


What due process of the officer he accused is being stripped? The manifesto clearly lays out Dorner's issue with the due process as it was handled as being corrupt.

Better questions - What makes Dorner "clearly mentally ill?" What incentive did he have to fabricate a story of his commanding officer beating a suspect?

You should, at a minimum, hold yourself to the standards you are holding for other people on judgement. Else you look like a hypocrite.
2013-02-13 04:40:50 PM  
2 votes:

SirVagTheTighty: 404 page not found: SirVagTheTighty: Also I have no idea about the wallet.  I don't really even see why that matters to be honest.  It be nice to get an answer at some point but it has shiat to do with this at the moment.

If the cops claimed to have found his wallet after the attempted boat-jacking, and now they are claiming to have found his wallet in the burnt-out rubble of the cabin, you "don't really see why that matters to be honest"?

I don't see what it has to do with the argument over if two cops got shot right outside the cabin as he tried to flee or if it was friendly fire.  I think it is a good question that we should get an answer to at some point though.  I think I just said that?


Because the FACTS are that two cops were shot and one died. Who shot them is not a fact, but speculation based on the reported series of events. And when the only source for any claim that Dorner shot them is a police chief report, it matters that we have reason to believe they might not be truthful with their statements, especially when there's recordings of them triggering the fire that sentenced this man to death.

Further evidence of not wanting to police the police in this case comes from the fact that they opened fire on two innocent vehicles, without warning, in attempted assassinations on the pure possibility Dorner could be inside, despite incorrect make, model, and color of the vehicles.
2013-02-13 04:38:14 PM  
2 votes:

WeenerGord: You know who else was innocent until proven guilty?


Hitler was never tried and convicted in a court of law. Therefore, he was innocent until proven guilty.


He was also the leader of an enemy that we had delcared war upon.  International codes and such for war are a whole different scope, and outside a given country's justice system.

But thanks for playing.
2013-02-13 04:10:45 PM  
2 votes:

IamKaiserSoze!!!: USP .45: Bathsalt: Dorner made it abundantly clear that he wasn't going to be taken alive! He had no interest in due process or he would have chosen a different path and either surrendered (even after the fire started) or taken LAPD to court. He decided to take as many with him as he could .

so drunk and aggressive suspects who clearly are not interested in due process should just be shot.

If they threatened to kill people, killed people and were still trying to kill people, then yes.

Yes they should be put down quickly in any manner possible. He had his chances for due process and rejected them in favor of taking out more people.

Where was the handwringing for Jimmy Lee Sykes when they took him out last month? How was one POS different than the other?


What is this r-tarded shiat about "didn't want his day in court," and "had his chances for due process," etc? That's not how our system works - one has no option to waive or reject due process, and no officer of the court has the authority to waive it for you once the need is presented -  not even police officers!!

Our system is designed specifically to ensure that each and every accused criminal faces justice, not mere punishment. To subrogate justice to punishment is simple vigilantism.

Regardless of the veracity of the crimes committed, and regardless of the amount of clear, unimpeachable evidence collected to prove the guilt of perpetrator, said perp must have due process. Every possible option and scenario should be applied and exhausted in the attempt to collect a suspect alive and able to be presented to the court; to kill him is to deny justice not only to the suspect, but to his victims and, more importantly, to society as a whole.

Those advocating or rationalizing Dorner's non-adjudicated death as the necessary or appropriate outcome for being a violent criminal are not advocating  justice, you are advocating punishment. I think this is common reason for the dislike of cops;  not because cop haters got a traffic ticket or otherwise violated the law, but because police officers have a bad habit of thinking as you are thinking - that they are legally appointed disseminators of punishment.

This is neither their job, nor their prerogative - not if you argue with them, not if you're an intolerable asshole, not even if they personally witness you dismember a police officer's wife and children and discover a recorded confession in your back pocket below the child pornography, recently fired unregistered gun and bloody hypodermic needles.

And I doubt many tears would have been shed if Adam Lawton, Jared Laughner or James Holmes was taken out in the midst of their rampage.

Had they been taken out while their lethal threat was imminent or actual, then fine. Were they taken out after the fact, then still no tears, but anger at justice once again being subrogated to punishment.
2013-02-13 04:08:23 PM  
2 votes:

SirVagTheTighty: My apologies then there is a lot of people posting.


Meh, it happens. Knew something was up when you kept asking for my source.

For the sake of clearing the air:
My main point is that we don't know.  When we don't know, all possibilities must be considered, not settling on a single guess or questionable news tidbit(and the 2 wallets thing raises a LOT of reliability questions) and going from there as if we have concrete facts.

Throughout these threads I have made a point of doing just that.  We still have no positive ID(up to the minute reporting aside), know how most of the interactions went, we don't even know if he killed the civilians, only that he was accused.

We do know that police fired upon civilians.

However unlikely, it is possible within the framework of the facts we have, that some crazy shiat is possible.  It could be legitimate self defense. IF I was a big black guy who fleed from a frame-up and was hiding out, and heard and saw that a skinny white couple, and a couple of females were fired upon with a LOT of rounds, because the cops thought it was me....I just might get scared out of my wits.

Just saying.  I'm not making these claims as facts, but they are possibilities.  Logic can only fill in so many gaps, so we have to be careful about making sure we're not guessing.  That is the whole premise of law enforcement and our justice system.  To make sure we don't crap on peacable civilians.  4 civillians irrelevant to the case already paid that price.

Seeing as how these events were handled, I'm not pleased.  I'm not crafting conspiracy theories.  Maybe they got him, good deal.  But a lucky guess is still a guess, and therefore dirty pool.
2013-02-13 03:24:58 PM  
2 votes:

404 page not found: Didn't he send some "evidence" to Anderson Cooper?


Yup... and it was promptly IGNORED until he drew attention to himself by (allegedly) killing a few people. That's the thing people aren't facing up to- he TRIED to get the truth out, only to have it completely ignored. So take your 'he should have gone to the media' and shove it- he DID go to them.
2013-02-13 03:11:08 PM  
2 votes:
Jesus Christ, I forget sometimes how many loony sociopaths FARK has. This guy was an asshole and we're better off without him. Was he right about problems with the LAPD? Probably. Should the cops have torched the place he was hiding in? No. But the guy isn't some Robin Hood. If he actually had real evidence of the things his manifesto claimed he could have gone to any newspaper or TV station in town, but he didn't. He was a deranged moron suffering from delusions of grandeur who murdered two innocent people and two cops. Some of you people make me sick.

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2013-02-13 01:46:18 PM  
2 votes:
<LAPD Logic>
Taking him alive means a trial
A trial means he gets to testify
We really don't want that
We really really don't want that
"All right Steve we're gonna go...uh...we're gonna forward with the plan with the...with the burner"
</LAPD Logic>
2013-02-13 01:38:18 PM  
2 votes:

Infamous El Guapo: Odds are the original wallet and ID found was possibly military ID in a separate flip wallet and was found in his bail out bag or similar bag he ditched either by accident or out of haste.

Not to say the cops aren't above tossing a wallet down found elsewhere and hollering and pointing at it, but I'm inclined to go with the former hypothesis.


Because when the world knows your name and face and is after you, you might need your wallet and ID.
2013-02-13 12:23:01 PM  
2 votes:
Dorner is/was batshiat crazy.  His complaints against LAPD were probably legit.... as they're well known for being corrupt and well practiced at cover-ups.  But he screwed it all up by using violence to "clear his name".  He could have easily started a smear campaign via internet with his allegations and the media would have jumped all over it.

That said, the LAPD is also batshiat crazy... out of control.  They virtually abandoned their jobs to play bodyguard for each other, shot up one truck without warning, rammed another truck without warning, evacuated a Lowe's store on an unverified tip, locked down an apartment complex on an unverified tip, fell for his planned "sightings" on various security cameras, possibly shot each other in the "excitement" of trapping Dorner in a cabin, then torched the place...... preventing an actual trial or quick, positive I.D. of the person inside.

They need some serious management changes.  And the guys that shot up the truck should be working as fry flippers.
2013-02-13 12:13:16 PM  
2 votes:

mikemil828: /Wonder if they'll find more than one corpse in that cabin

So, you wanted the cops to do exactly what Donner wanted them to do and enter a most likely booby trapped house to attempt to capture him alive, by which point any hostages (if there were any to begin with, if he had any he didn't make any indications that he did, which negates the point of hostages to begin with) and himself would already be dead, sometimes letting the motherfarker burn is just the best course of action, that's what they did in Iraq anyway.



www.anniemayhem.com

Um, no. Even Saddam Hussein got a "trial".

They could have just torched him in his (potentially booby trapped)  "spider hole", but they didn't.

Nice to know that we treat foreign dictators with whom we are at WAR with more judicial respect than we do ACCUSED citizens in our own nation.
2013-02-13 12:09:52 PM  
2 votes:

Mid_mo_mad_man: heili skrimsli: Mid_mo_mad_man: You are exactly what's wrong with the USA. The cops he shot Tuesday would have arrested him without a hitch if he wanted that. Just because he's black doesn't make him a victim

This has nothing to do with what color he is and everything to do with the fact that I still believe in a nation that exists under the rule of law in which every person is presumed innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt as judged by a jury of his or her peers.

I don't think that the police should have rules of engagement that are more permissive than those afforded to actual soldiers in combat as if the police are at war with the rest of the citizens. I think enacting a plan to burn a man alive is repugnant, cruel, unusual, and should be called murder, and I don't think that changes because of what that man is accused of doing.

That is not what is 'wrong' with America. There are places where such despotic and tyrannical actions are socially acceptable so long as the perpetrator of those actions wears a uniform, places like Somalia where there is no rule of law. Perhaps you should move to one of those societies more to your liking.

He shot first Tuesday. He took the law into own hands. The cops did not violate his rights. And yes the outrage has every thing to do with his skin color. Blacks in the USA think everyone is holding them back. They are the only ones causing thier troubles.


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You racist farking idiot.
2013-02-13 11:17:05 AM  
2 votes:
At this point I'm starting to doubt that they have him.  I think they're trying to figure out how to break the news.
2013-02-13 11:00:38 AM  
2 votes:

ZackDanger: MacWizard: I'm having one or two questions about this, which are based on the unconfirmed reports that Dorner tried to get out the back door and was pushed back in. If this is true, why didn't they just capture him at that moment?

All the reports seem to take the position that they're not entirely positive that Dorner was the one inside the cabin. If they didn't know for sure it was him, why would they push someone who might not be him back into a burning building?

This just doesn't make sense. Of course, this part of the story is kind of spotty anyway.

You don't "push someone back in" to a building who you are trying to apprehend. And realistically, say what you will, even the cops that "wanted him dead" know that their duty is to apprehend.

I think what is more likely is that Dorner tried to leave out the back, saw there were cops there giving him orders to lay on the ground, etc, and then Dorner turned around and went back inside.

If the plan was to kill him all along, why wouldn't they just shoot him when he came out the door?


I had not noticed this, but the story has changed.

"Earlier, we (CNN) reported that U.S. Marshals Service district chief Kurt Ellingson told us a suspect tried to get out the back door of the cabin at some point today and was pushed back inside. But there are now conflicting reports about whether the suspect ever emerged."

If Dorner never came out in the first place, why would the U.S. Marshals Service district chief tell a CNN reporter that they pushed him back inside? Granted, I don't see a lot of interviews with U.S. Marshal Service district chiefs, but one would think that it is not common for them to throw in details that never happened. Would almost be more believable if it had been clarified to your explanation -- Dorner tried to leave out the back, saw there were cops there giving him orders to lay on the ground, etc, and then Dorner turned around and went back inside.
2013-02-13 10:58:32 AM  
2 votes:

Queensowntalia: I know hating on the cops is Fark's favorite pastime, but it still seems weird to me there's so much defense for a psychopath who murdered some completely innocent people for his own twisted ends. Yes, protocol was violated and an investigation would not be unwarranted, but man, all this moral outrage just seems to me like spitting on his victims' graves.

He made it clear he had zero regards for the lives of innocent people. Therefore, stopping him by whatever means necessary seems appropriate to me. (and yes, I realize "necessary" regarding the fire is highly questionable. See previous paragraph).


He stood for fighting racism and dirty cops, and went to great lengths to bring it to attention even before resorting to what he's accused of.

We can agree with his stance on those issues yet feel another way about the likely guilt of his crimes.

The cops DID destroy two vehicles of civilians that didn't even look like him.  They've got plenty of figurative blood on their hands.

To put it another way.

Hitler says 1+1=2.  His information is accurate, no matter how heinous his crimes against humanity.

To put the cops actions in perspective, if we got twitchy and bombed Canada and the UK when we were actually looking for Hitler..

Damn right the world would condemn us for being failures, and we'd have deserved it.
2013-02-13 10:45:58 AM  
2 votes:
You just know while they all sit around and "wait'' for a positive ID that they're discussing how the story should be officially told.  The victors write the history, you know.
2013-02-13 10:37:12 AM  
2 votes:
Anyone else find this whole thing really suspicious? I mean, they sure went out of there way to look for the guy, when there are guys out there a hell of a lot worse who are running around wanted. Almost as if Dorner was telling the truth about the corruption
2013-02-13 10:33:28 AM  
2 votes:

Giltric: ZackDanger: If the plan was to kill him all along, why wouldn't they just shoot him when he came out the door?

Because being burned alive is more painful and takes longer than getting popped in the head by a sniper which is pretty instantaneous.


Actually, I'm pretty sure that you end up dying from smoke inhalation/asphyxiation before you burn to death in most house fires.
2013-02-13 10:29:29 AM  
2 votes:

nekom: I don't see anything that warrants the death penalty for unrelated people, no. That's the kind of shiat you go to Dateline with, or other media outlets.


And the police would respond 'We conducted a full investigation and found his claims to not be founded', just like they do in countless other cases.

And nothing would change.

If he did have a valid beef, it will be forever forgotten because of his actions.

We're talking about it now. Were we talking about it last week?

What you're basically saying is "That damn Rosa parks. Shoulda just moved to the back of the bus. By arguing with the bus driver and cops, her legitimate beef will be forever forgotten..."
2013-02-13 10:23:31 AM  
2 votes:

nekom: The ends justify the means? In this case, I'd say that's AT BEST highly debatable.


No- Necessity.
In U.S. criminal law, necessity may be either a possible justification or an exculpation for breaking the law. Defendants seeking to rely on this defense argue that they should not be held liable for their actions as a crime because their conduct was necessary to prevent some greater harm and when that conduct is not excused under some other more specific provision of law such as self defense.
...
If a fire or flood is threatening to spread out of control, it may be reasonably necessary to destroy other property to form a fire break, or to trespass on land to throw up mounds of earth to prevent the water from spreading.

One could make the argument (and I'm not doing so, or saying it would necessarily work) that killing a few people to draw attention to decades of crimes (including at least some deaths) committed by the cops is necessity, because otherwise those many, many crimes (and many, many more future ones) would go unpunished.

tl;dr- he had to commit crimes to make us aware of the more and worse crimes cops commit daily
2013-02-13 10:21:15 AM  
2 votes:

The Muthaship: I think comparing this to Waco is a fairly disgusting cheapening of the tragedy that happened there.  Regardless of who was actually in the cabin, that person killed a police officer.  The kids at Waco were actually innocent.



You need to re-read my post in context.

I was not implying that the occupant of the cabin was necessarily innocent, I was emphasizing that the torching of both structures was done out of vindictiveness, spite and as a show of POWER - to send a message to all of us.
2013-02-13 10:21:06 AM  
2 votes:

CowboyUpCowgirlDown: HindiDiscoMonster: Well... due process was nice while it lasted...

If you are shooting at cops when the attempt to arrest you, your right to due process is unilaterally waived.

You only get due process if you are compliant enough to be taken into custody.


How many times did the 2 women in the pickup truck shoot at police? How many times did the white guy in the pick up truck shoot at police before they rammed his truck off the road and started shooting him.

The police did not even request these people pull over. They tried to execute the drivers of the vehicle who they thought were Dorner.

The actions by police involved (not just LAPD since we have multiple police departments shooting first and asking questions later) are kind of on the pathetic, murderous, thuggish side.
2013-02-13 10:16:33 AM  
2 votes:

BraveNewCheneyWorld: qualtrough: The cops burned him for the same reason the US burned tens of thousands of men, women, and children at Hiroshima and Nagasaki. To save lives.

Bullshiat.  He was one man, he can't stay awake forever, they easily could have watched him with thermal imagers, waited for him to sleep, then drilled a small hole in the cabin, pumped it full of knock out gas, then taken their time to enter while checking for traps and apprehended him.

This was deliberate, vengeful murder on the part of the police.


They didn;t know whether he had a hostage or not.....the Alabama hostage situation involved waiting it out for 5 days or so. Dorner was surrounded, the cabin was beseiged, the cops had plenty of time to wait it out like they do in almost every other situation.
2013-02-13 10:04:56 AM  
2 votes:

qualtrough: The cops burned him for the same reason the US burned tens of thousands of men, women, and children at Hiroshima and Nagasaki. To save lives.


Bullshiat.  He was one man, he can't stay awake forever, they easily could have watched him with thermal imagers, waited for him to sleep, then drilled a small hole in the cabin, pumped it full of knock out gas, then taken their time to enter while checking for traps and apprehended him.

This was deliberate, vengeful murder on the part of the police.
2013-02-13 09:57:07 AM  
2 votes:

fredklein: nekom: He wasn't some Robin Hood out to change the system, he was just mad because he lost his job.

He lost his job because he reported another cop for kicking a suspect in the face. The Board Of Review that looked at his firing was filled with personal friends of the cop he accused.

You don't see anything wrong with any of that?


Yes.  However, I stopped having any sympathy for him whatsoever when he killed four people, stole a car, and then took two people hostage.  People need to quit acting like this guy is some farking hero, because he's not.  If you have a beef with a former employer, the correct course of action is NOT murder, grand theft auto, kidnapping, and arson.  I don't doubt for once second the LAPD is corrupt as hell.  I think a lot of what he alleged in his manifesto has a basis in reality.  That doesn't mean because he might have had a point, all the carnage he ravished upon the landscape should be forgiven.  I don't feel sorry for him, and anyone who does has problems.
2013-02-13 09:56:23 AM  
2 votes:

The Muthaship: The police don't have to be good for Dorner to be bad. It's ok to be sickened by both.


This. Far too many people in the country live in a simple little world where every conflict is divided up into Good Guys vs Bad Guys. Here's a newsflash: there were NO "Good Guys" in this story. This was a case of Bad Guy vs Bad Guys. The outrage here is NOT that a Bad Guy got killed. It's that the people we expected to BE the Good Guys failed miserably at it.
2013-02-13 09:49:18 AM  
2 votes:

nekom: He wasn't some Robin Hood out to change the system, he was just mad because he lost his job.


He lost his job because he reported another cop for kicking a suspect in the face. The Board Of Review that looked at his firing was filled with personal friends of the cop he accused.

You don't see anything wrong with any of that?
2013-02-13 09:44:23 AM  
2 votes:

MacWizard: I'm having one or two questions about this, which are based on the unconfirmed reports that Dorner tried to get out the back door and was pushed back in. If this is true, why didn't they just capture him at that moment?

All the reports seem to take the position that they're not entirely positive that Dorner was the one inside the cabin. If they didn't know for sure it was him, why would they push someone who might not be him back into a burning building?

This just doesn't make sense. Of course, this part of the story is kind of spotty anyway.


You don't "push someone back in" to a building who you are trying to apprehend. And realistically, say what you will, even the cops that "wanted him dead" know that their duty is to apprehend.

I think what is more likely is that Dorner tried to leave out the back, saw there were cops there giving him orders to lay on the ground, etc, and then Dorner turned around and went back inside.

If the plan was to kill him all along, why wouldn't they just shoot him when he came out the door?
2013-02-13 09:20:22 AM  
2 votes:

Mid_mo_mad_man: He chose this! He never wanted his day in court. Could have walked into any law enforcement office and surrendered.


well for 5 years he tried to work within the system. all that got him was fired and blacklisted.
but yeah he could have turned himself in.
he could have just let it go, like all those before him
2013-02-13 09:10:54 AM  
2 votes:

PoTBoT: SirVagTheTighty:


People like you are just going to keep drinking the government koolaid, and there's nothing I can do about that unfortunately. So i'll leave it at that.


The police don't have to be good for Dorner to be bad.  It's ok to be sickened by both.
2013-02-13 08:56:01 AM  
2 votes:

mekki: You aren't going to gain much sympathy for your cause that way. I don't doubt any allies he might have had still in the force turned their backs to him the moment he began to target innocents.


Which is funny because the LAPD targeted innocents, too. Newspaper ladies, surfer dude, etc.

I guess it's only okay when they do it.
2013-02-13 08:52:07 AM  
2 votes:

apoptotic: KellyKellyKelly: dittybopper: BostonEMT: Bontesla: Also - was there official confirmation that Dorner was in that cabin before they set it on fire? As of last night - they believe there was a guy inside who looked like Dorner.

In unrelated news, family members state that LL Cool J has gone missing.

I heard he was going back to Cali.

I don't think so.

He was partying in LA with Brad Paisley last night. Seriously. Paisley tweeted a picture of them "rockin' out".


That roaring sound you just heard was the joke doing a low-pass flyby of your head.
2013-02-13 08:49:37 AM  
2 votes:
Wow, even that dude in Norway who massacred 77 people across the the country got his day in court. It's stuff  like what the police just did in burning up Dorner instead of bringing him to justice makes America look like a Third World Nation. No wonder people love to hate on cops here.
2013-02-13 08:28:37 AM  
2 votes:

Mid_mo_mad_man: Blacks in the USA think everyone is holding them back. They are the only ones causing thier troubles.


At some point you've got to stop and realize you are the only one in this thread who thinks this had anything to do with race.
2013-02-13 08:23:15 AM  
2 votes:

nekom: Does anybody have an article that confirms this business that the LAPD (why the fark were they even there, that's a good question) set the fire?  Difficulty:  NO infowars.  I mean an article from a credible news agency?


The scanner talk is pretty convincing.
2013-02-13 08:11:34 AM  
2 votes:
Mid_Mo_Mad_man

You are what is wrong with America. Cops ARE NOT ABOVE THE LAW.
2013-02-13 07:51:17 AM  
2 votes:

PoTBoT: I hope all of these pigs die in a fire themselves. They have no regard for due process and should be removed from civil service.


Yeah, by dieing in a fire without their own due process... ok.
2013-02-13 06:35:40 AM  
2 votes:

ExperianScaresCthulhu: The Shatner Incident: styckx: The Shatner Incident: Does anyone think that law enforcement set the place on fire to kill him a la Waco?

/considering the state of LE, I don't doubt it.

Anyone listening to the police scanner heard it and there are numerous recordings (I just posted a transcript of part of it) of it posted eveywhere of one of the cops directing them to burn the farker down..

Unfortunately, I was away from my computer to listen to the scanner. Man, LE went too far on this one. If you can't shoot him, wait him out. Cut the power. Cut the water.

The sooner the LAPD murdered him, without a trial, the sooner the LAPD could get back to doing what it does best while the general public forgets everything... and the establishment media searches for a new reason not to engage in investigativve reporting anymore.


An I the only one that noticed that we had multiple Farkers on here, including me , that were listening to the scanner and reporting what was being said as it happened yet the only time this "recording" came up was in YouTube long after the cabin pretty much was in embers ?
2013-02-13 06:28:46 AM  
2 votes:
Well... due process was nice while it lasted...
2013-02-13 05:47:51 AM  
2 votes:
Dude lost any sympathy from me once he thought that involving innocent people in his crusade was acceptable.  I have NO doubt that the LAPD is as corrupt as he claims, but his methods leave much to be desired.

And if I was the owner of that cabin, I'd have encouraged the SBPD to burn the farker down around his ears to avoid any further loss of life.
2013-02-13 05:32:45 AM  
2 votes:

NicoFinn: sithon: geeze ,the cops sure go nuts when they're the victims. I wish they were that energetic when an average citizen was murdered .

This.


^^^^^^^^ this ^^^^^^^^^
2013-02-13 05:18:39 AM  
2 votes:

Oldiron_79: styckx: The Shatner Incident: Does anyone think that law enforcement set the place on fire to kill him a la Waco?

/considering the state of LE, I don't doubt it.

Anyone listening to the police scanner heard it and there are numerous recordings (I just posted a transcript of part of it) of it posted eveywhere of one of the cops directing them to burn the farker down..

Yup more than one officer says more than once burn the (2 sylable bleeped word) inthe recordings. Not sure whether they said farker or ni-bong or both since it was multilpe persons multiple times.


The recording is very clear: "go ahead with the plan to burn". They actually had planned this offline and were somewhat shy discussing it over the radios. The devices, tear gas or flashbang, were thrown into the building for one purpose only.
And someone in the police force decided that this was a good, just, and acceptable plan.
2013-02-13 04:45:43 AM  
2 votes:
I really want there to be no body. Not because I think he's a hero (killing family members nixed that), but just to keep the cops demonstrating what a bunch of farking gangbanger thugs they are.
2013-02-13 04:43:39 AM  
2 votes:

AverageAmericanGuy: You almost want to root for Dorner to come out of this unscathed just to put his thumb in the LAPD's eye.


Well, except for that whole murdering innocent people thing he had going on.  That kinda turns me off on him.
2013-02-13 04:37:16 AM  
2 votes:

Owangotang: Brought it on himself.


Therefor, screw due process.
2013-02-13 04:37:09 AM  
2 votes:
I want it to be like a hollywood movie,

I want the camera to close in on a coroner's office where some guy in a white coat is pouring over the charred remains of the body...suddenly he looks up just as the camera zooms in on his shocked face "Oh, shiat" he'll say as the realization that this isn't Dorner comes to him.

Smash cut to some wilderness road where a pick up truck comes to a grinding halt and Dorner, dressed as the dead cop from the cabin climbs out, and changes vehicles and clothes...all as he had planned it.

That would be badass...
2013-02-13 04:30:32 AM  
2 votes:

styckx: What he did was wrong.. What the cops did to kill him was worse..

"All right Steve we're gonna go...uh...we're gonna forward with the plan with the...with the burner"

"Copy"

"Want it..uh...liked we talked about"

"Burners deployed and we have a fire"

"Copy seven burners deployed and we have a a fire"


I was just listening to the audio and came back here to comment on exactly those same 5 lines but you've done it.
Hearing them sure makes it sound like they were being a little nefarious in their intentions.
2013-02-13 04:20:33 AM  
2 votes:

ontariolightning: if the cops who shot those ladies don't end up in prison there better be vigilantee justice


They will not be charged with anything. LAPD will pay out a large settlement to the victims, and the officers involved will have a mark on their records regarding the shooting, but otherwise nothing will happen.

"Mistakes happen", they'll say, and pin the responsibility for the shooting on the freshly-crispified Dorner. If he hadn't allegedly shot two civilians and some cops, then the officers involved in this shooting wouldn't have been looking for him and mistakenly thought the ladies vehicle was suspicious, thus requiring them to open fire for their own safety and the safety of others.

It's bullshiat, but trust me, that's the way it'll play out.
2013-02-13 04:13:54 AM  
2 votes:
the cabin caught fire "accidentally from a flash grenade". What a bunch of Baloney.
2013-02-13 04:13:50 AM  
2 votes:

ArtosRC: I'm sure we'll learn how the fire started. Mhmm.


the cops started it
2013-02-13 04:13:14 AM  
2 votes:
I'm sure we'll learn how the fire started. Mhmm.
2013-02-13 04:13:09 AM  
2 votes:
he's the hero we deserve
2013-02-13 04:12:41 AM  
2 votes:
I see the Los Angeles Posse Department got their man. It kinda reminds me of Waco. Does it remind anyone else of Waco? Any officers accidentally shoot themselves in a leg during the bloodlust?
2013-02-13 04:06:16 AM  
2 votes:

The Shatner Incident: Does anyone think that law enforcement set the place on fire to kill him a la Waco?

/considering the state of LE, I don't doubt it.


Anyone listening to the police scanner heard it and there are numerous recordings (I just posted a transcript of part of it) of it posted eveywhere of one of the cops directing them to burn the farker down..
2013-02-13 04:03:40 AM  
2 votes:
if the cops who shot those ladies don't end up in prison there better be vigilantee justice
2013-02-13 03:06:02 AM  
2 votes:
If that wasn't a black dude cornered in the cabin, well, he is now.
2013-02-13 01:37:36 AM  
2 votes:
This far in and no Trailer park boys refs ? you guys need to watch more Canadian tv
2013-02-13 12:19:09 AM  
2 votes:

make me some tea: doyner: daRog: cretinbob: It's kebab

cretinbob, meet doyner.

doyner; cretinbob

Everybody's a critic...

Pleased to meet you.

It can be spelled multiple ways, depending on which country.

I've seen it spelled

kebab
kebob
kabab
kabob


Or cretinbab
2013-02-12 10:30:33 PM  
2 votes:
I'm voting this one, even if it should really be kebap
2013-02-16 12:42:35 PM  
1 votes:

tirob: Amos Quito: tirob: Amos Quito: doyner: omeganuepsilon: Acharne: I'm tired and had a weird day.

Some of the best farking is done sleep deprived and/or inebriated.

Well, this thread is clearly sleep deprived and inebriated.

Yeah, it's starting to look like this whole sordid episode will be put to rest and quietly forgotten.

The "bad guy" is dead, and the shockingly atrocious of the actions of the "good guys" will, in all likelihood, be ignored.

Score a big win for the authoritarians, and a staggering loss for the People.

Why don't you start an online petition to investigate the San Bernardino Sheriff's Department regarding the matter?

/not being facetious.


Would you co-sponsor?

Maybe.  Part of the reason I made the suggestion was that at the time I wrote it, the SBSD had not yet told us how Dorner died.  Since then, the official cause of death has been listed as a single gunshot wound to the head that appeared to be self inflicted.  If Dorner's family members aren't satisfied with this determination--I assume here that they will have access to the corpse and to all relevant photographs and x-rays--my answer would be yes.



Yeah, I read about the "single gunshot wound to the head" - "possibly self-inflicted" this morning.

Were I to find myself, with a gun, trapped in a blazing cabin, surrounded by people firing hundreds of rounds per-minute at me, with the heat, the smoke, and inevitable death - I think that I may well opt to "take the easy way out" - much like those poor folks who chose to leap from the Twin Towers on 9-11 elected not to burn alive.

Regardless of who fired the fatal shot, the evidence indicates that they set the fire intentionally. Conspired to commit murder. No question in my mind.

Oh, and they're not paying the $ million reward, so that's nice.
2013-02-14 03:07:12 PM  
1 votes:

SubBass49: Now if there were only a way to export this sort of behavior to the politics tab...


That would be a complete coup. I would be astounded and very pleased.

Anyways. Glad we had this chat. Fark is a good place.
2013-02-14 02:43:16 PM  
1 votes:

Amos Quito: "It was not on purpose. We didn't intentionally burn down that cabin to get Mr Dorner out," John McMahon, a spokesperson for San Bernardino sheriff's department, told a news conference on Wednesday night.


Of course not- they burned it down to kill him. Duh.
2013-02-14 01:49:19 PM  
1 votes:

tirob: The term "Burner" referring to flasbangs / CS teargas canisters entered the police lexicon as soon as they realized that their conspiracy to burn Dorner alive was recorded and is all over the net. Try to find a reference that can be verifiably dated before Feb 10th.

The crap you read up thread was from jackboot-licker apologists.


I relied on this and similar sources for the interpretation of the word "burner." The SB Sheriff's Department admitted lobbing multiple pyrotechnic CS canisters into the cabin. I am going to guess that you will find this source unreliable.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/feb/14/christopher-dorner-fire- po lice



Yes. Unreliable. Untrustworthy, even.

Here's why (from your link):

"It was not on purpose. We didn't intentionally burn down that cabin to get Mr Dorner out," John McMahon, a spokesperson for San Bernardino sheriff's department, told a news conference on Wednesday night.

[...]

"Swat teams lobbed traditional teargas canisters into the cabin but as Dorner kept firing they switched to pyrotechnic ones. "It does generate a lot of heat. We introduced those canisters into the residence and a fire erupted," said McMahon. Such devices were called burners, he said."

Where did the Guardian "learn" that "such devices were called burners"?

From the SPOKESPERSON of the San Bernardino Sheriff's office, who invented this brand new "Jargon" on the spot as he spun like Rumpelstiltskin, in an attemt to cover up for the fact that their office conspired to commit premeditated murder against Dorner, and that it was recorded.

MYTH BUSTED.


tirob: I am going to wait for more facts to come out before going so far as to accuse anyone of conspiracy to commit murder.



So, if you heard the SBSD say "I'm going to stab him with an ice pick", and thirty seconds later say "I stabbed him with the ice pick, he's bleeding" and then it turns out that the dude died after being stabbed by an ice pick, would you accept their excuse that "stabbing with an ice pick" is common police jargon for "take him out for coffee and donuts"?

Please.
2013-02-14 01:04:39 PM  
1 votes:

Amos Quito: inner ted: tirob: Amos Quito:

"We're gonna' deploy the BURNERS"

I'd suggest that you look up what "burners" are in police jargon; there is information about this further up the thread.

LOL!  [citation needed]

Burner in police slang (note the dates)

The term "Burner" referring to flasbangs / CS teargas canisters entered the police lexicon as soon as they realized that their conspiracy to burn Dorner alive was recorded and is all over the net. Try to find a reference that can be verifiably dated before Feb 10th.

The crap you read up thread was from jackboot-licker apologists.



I relied on this and similar sources for the interpretation of the word "burner."  The SB Sheriff's Department admitted lobbing multiple pyrotechnic CS canisters into the cabin.  I am going to guess that you will find this source unreliable.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/feb/14/christopher-dorner-fire- po lice

It is my understanding that a flashbang and a pyrotechnic teargas canister are two distinct weapons.  I do not know if police have a slang term for flashbangs, or if they do, what it is.


Amos Quito:
They conspired to commit premeditated murder against Dorner - they might as well openly admit it.

What are you going to do about it?

Hmmm?



I am going to wait for more facts to come out before going so far as to accuse anyone of conspiracy to commit murder.
2013-02-14 07:56:54 AM  
1 votes:

Amos Quito: and then proceeded to act on those stated intentions, killing several people.


There's evidence that those individuals were murdered.

What evidence, specifically, are you aware of that proves Dorner is the one who did it?

just_intonation: So, would you feel the same way if Dorner had been white?


Why wouldn't I?

Due process and the rule of law are supposed to be color blind. I don't care if Dorner was purple, extrajudicial execution is still wrong.
2013-02-14 01:50:00 AM  
1 votes:
i just wish the mostly good police could find a way to get rid of the mostly bad ones.
2013-02-14 01:45:56 AM  
1 votes:

Popcorn Johnny: Amos Quito: They're CLAIMING that they used CS gas. Maybe they did, maybe they used something else.

For the last farking time, the goddamn police, including SWAT, do not carry devices for the purpose of starting fires.


i don't mean to offend, but are you a farking retard?
those guns they carry and use to shoot innocent people, and the batons they carry and use to beat innocent people, and whatever they used to kill Kelly Thomas, are not carried for those purposes. or i hope not.
2013-02-14 01:41:00 AM  
1 votes:

Acharne: SubBass49: Acharne: SubBass49: The thought occurred to me this morning...

I wonder what the overlap would be between the people that were happy about the cops torching Dorner without bothering to call in a negotiator (and thus enabling the possibility of due process through our justice system)...

...and...

Fark PatriotsTMthat complain about Obama every 5 minutes somehow violating the constitution.

I'd like to see that Venn diagram, and then pose the question: "Do you people know how farking hypocritical you are, or are you completely oblivious to it?"

Just curious.

It is a monumental day on Fark everybody! SubBass49 posted his very first grown up adult post. It is relevant, on topic, factual and correct. First time for everything! We are so encouraged that next week we're going to try for another crack at the potty, I think he might get it this time. If that goes well we'll take the training wheels off the bike and maybe remove the rails from the bed come March. Gosh it's an exciting day to be a Farker!

Who the fark are you?  Do I know you?  Did I fark your wife at some point, and you were never able to let it go?  Certainly hope not, since I figure that's a pic of her in your profile there...

/now favorited as "Canadian Douche Nut"

You've been a rude, dismissive unaccountable asshole in enough threads that I have you marked as 'Rude, Teacher, No accountability'. Just felt like calling you out here because what you posted was reasonable and I agreed with it. 'Canadian Douche Nut' sums me up nicely. All in all, my post was mean and unnecessary but I was in quite the mood this afternoon when I read it. Carry on I suppose.


This thread has been intense.  I've been reading since it started.  I find this story very compelling.

A few points.  Sometimes with these high profile crimes there are so many assumptions and it's easy to go with the human, arguably MORAL solutions for them.  But so many times they aren't RIGHT, not in the modern 1st world country at least.  It's so easy to get emotional and make quickly thought and typed points picking and plucking and "moving the goal posts" as I read a bit back.  Another point is that this is the reason I love Fark.  Sometimes people do admit to being mean, unnecessary, stupid, DNRTFA.  Hell, I have a guy favorited as "backed me up in DNRFTA vibrator thread" I need to change that color because at work that description popping up and coworkers seeing that are like "wtf???"

This whole thing is ffffffffuuuuuuu----  I really believe this is some kinda new Waco, Rodney King, etc.  I don't think it'll go away for quite awhile.  A lot of the facts are still just NOT out.  And this is a stupid news discussion site, it's SO MUCH FUN to talk about this stuff.  I just think that there is so much evidence that has not been examined and that it's so easy to just spout off whatever at the whatever stupid news flash happens to be going on the radio or whatever.  But then again, that goes back to the origins of this site.  It's not news.  We aren't going to see an end to threads about this story for quite a while I think.  I really hope it goes well.  It won't

What is great, is the damn headline.  This one gets HOTY.  Also the first few posts, and man, that Grand Theft Auto photoshop did NOT get enough credit.

I truly feel for the people who died.  I'm still torn on the death penalty for the mental retards in this country.  A sociopath doesn't write a manifesto.  They just don't care to. At least in what I understand that a sociopath truly is.

Anyway. Cheers guys.  This will be interesting. Thanks.
2013-02-14 01:15:14 AM  
1 votes:

Biological Ali: <pointlessly argumentative>


It's been a while, but nice to see you still post like a dickhead (with all due respect).
they deliberately burned this guy down.
they figured this out some time ago in texas, don't eff with the establishment.
i can't think of a worse, or more indiscriminate way to die or kill somebody,
it is horrific that the government and police that we pay to protect us can act in this way, and then justify it.
the same mentality (sorry to repeat myself) can justify the bombing of peasants in mud huts, thousands of miles a away, in the name of security for the American people.
i, for one, say this is not in my name, and not for my safety.
2013-02-14 12:28:42 AM  
1 votes:

Biological Ali: omeganuepsilon: Imminent danger or Positive ID of a known dangerous criminal

You keep saying "Positive ID", but it just doesn't make sense, unless you're using the term very, very differently from what people normally mean when they say it. I mean, they don't have "positive ID" on the corpse even now.

A cop approaching someone from a distance is never going to have "positive ID" - all he's going to have is varying degrees of "This guy resembles the suspect's description".


I think you may be mistaken here.

If you see a person and are inquiring if they are the person you are looking for, there are three answers.


Positive - It IS him.

Cannot tell (from this distance, has a hat on, cannot see skin tone, etc)

Negative - It is NOT him.


Same principle as a pregnancy test:

 +  or ? or  -

This need not be a credentials check but a reasonable belief.  A check of body build and facial features can be enough, but it often includes hair, clothes, destination, demeanor, etc.


Just a body build?  No

Location? No

Whelp, it has two legs and a head....


To get a positive Id, "close enough" doesn't cut it when lives are on the line.  That's where the LAPD screwed up, they didn't even try. They basically saw the trucks and opened fire.


That is the express reason they pass a picture around and say 6'2", about 270 lbs, black male, heavyset/muscular, age 30, shaved head.  likely wearing some cold weather clothes, possibly wounded was walking with a limp (etc).


And not "Shoot anyone who comes down this road".


If you seriously don't get it by now, you may as well give up
2013-02-14 12:03:17 AM  
1 votes:
Formula for a fool-proof set-up...

Step1: obtain log-in info for all social media accounts attributed to your mark
Step2: take your time writing a manifesto that outlines homicidal ideation towards law enforcement & their families...publish on your mark's social media sites & change their password before they can delete it.
Step3: kill a member of the target list...a few if needed
Step4: send tips to local media & law enforcement about the violent rant and it's potential connection to the homicide in step 3
Step5: your mark is now public enemy number one.  any attempt to contact law enforcement will be met with deadly force & disbelief.

/sounds like a good movie plot.
2013-02-13 11:45:21 PM  
1 votes:
I guess what may bother me the most is the "popular" notion that if you kill a cop, you're no longer subject to the same rules of engagement by the cops.
What happened to "equal protection under the law"?
Looking at it a different way, though, why NOT force an armed killer out of a cabin with gas, possibly fire? All he had to do was throw out his weapon, and come out with his hands up. Why should any cop put his life at risk to apprehend a mad killer?
I would have preferred to see what he had to say, and the fact that it looks like a cover up is what rankles.
At least they didn't spend weeks to get the same result they got at Waco, and didn't kill any innocents in the process. (barely).
2013-02-13 11:42:01 PM  
1 votes:
Found it:
https://leaksource.wordpress.com/2013/02/07/christopher-dorner-v-lap d- case-file/

Dorners testimony:
Appellant testified that Gettler did not have blood on his face at that point. Sergeant Evans then stood up and kicked Gettler twice in the left clavicle. Gettler yelled, and then Sergeant Evans kicked him on the left cheek, causing him to start bleeding.


Evans testimony:
Sergeant Evans denied kicking Gettler in the face or the shoulder area.
...
Sergeant Evans noticed that Gettler had a laceration on his cheek, but no other injuries. There were no boot marks on Gettler's face or shirt and no bruising on his face. When Gettler was taken to the police station, he did not tell the watch commander or a physician, who treated his facial injuries, that he was kicked in the face.



So, Gettler DID have a facial injury. This is confirmed by all present, including the doc. The fact he didn't tell other cops that a cop kicked him is... understandable. If a cop just kicked you in the face, would you really trust another cop?
Bruises take a while to show up. Also, if you kick someone with the toe of your boot, there will be no "boot marks" on them. So that part of the testimony is irrelevant.


Gettler's father stated that when the officers brought his son home on July 28, 2007, he asked Gettler if he had been in a fight because his face was puffy.... Gettler told his father he was kicked in the chest twice by a police officer, but his father decided not to report it because he assumed it was an accident and Gettler was not hurt.


The Board stated that the primary issue in the case was whether Sergeant Evans actually kicked Gettler or not. After reviewing all the evidence, the Board stated that it could not find that the kicks occurred. The Board pointed out that, although Gettler's clothes were soiled, consistent with testimony that he and appellant fell in the bushes, there was no "visible dirt transfer" on Gettler's white shirt to support the allegation that Sergeant Evans kicked him in the shoulder or chest area.


So, the clothes were "soiled" , but had no "visible dirt transfer"? Is that like being wet but not having any sign of water?
2013-02-13 11:36:56 PM  
1 votes:

Biological Ali: omeganuepsilon: If we don't question when they kill people, and do question when they don't....

What does that, in effect, teach them they can get away with?

It would teach them that they're more likely "get away" if there's no evidence of misconduct (either because there was no misconduct or because they covered their tracks extremely carefully). Which would apply to just about anything done by anyone, police or otherwise.

Even the fact of a person's death doesn't really matter beyond a certain point, if there isn't any other specific piece of evidence suggesting something untoward happened. You'll have far more questions and investigations, for instance, over small crimes where there are substantial reasons to suspect wrongdoing than you will for actual deaths that are quickly determined to be accidents or suicides etc.


You missed it by that much.

It teaches them that just killing people is easier than dealing with paperwork and review had they not done so.

My main point with this whole line of questioning, is that cops are just regular people.  They can, and will, screw off, tell small lies, or big ones, whenever they think they can get away with it, or whatever else they think they can get away with.  The attention of the public is but one of the few controls that attempt to keep that crap from happening.  A valuable resource as they are more or less on the honor system until something they do gets noticed almost by accident.

That is the problem with the police as a profession.  They're at the top of the foodchain.  They attract people who will desire that position, not only the ones we want in that position.

Same reason teachers are so often child abusers.

It's a career that draws noble and very bad people(because of it's unique opportunities) and few in between because it's undesirable to the rest of us.

As I stated before, I don't hate cops.  I'll back them up and down when they're in the right but somehow garner time in the spotlight because some civvie doesn't know what he's talking about.((IE the cliche - toy gun pointed at a cop in a dark alley, cop shoots kid, tragic but damned legal)

But I do recognize it as a profession that needs watched.
2013-02-13 10:59:43 PM  
1 votes:

Biological Ali: omeganuepsilon: Biological Ali: The only problem is that short of telepathy (or some stupidity on the part of the shooter, like telling someone about his plans or writing about it in a diary), this kind of speculation is obviously never going to amount to anything.

In this case, sure, it's not likely to yield special investigation.  That doesn't mean people shouldn't keep their eyes out for such behavior though.

If we never question what goes on, then shiat goes downhill.

As far as I can tell, all deaths that occur in situations like these are looked at regardless (at a minimum, the guy will get an autopsy and I'm sure the fire will be investigated too). There's just no serious evidence at the outset that there was any police misconduct during the final standoff.

If one really wanted to look for something to pin on the cops, I think the other shootings on unrelated civilian vehicles would be a much more sensible thing to focus on. Depending on what information the officers involved in those incidents were acting on, a case could be made that they didn't respond appropriately, and even if it's not necessarily a criminal matter their competence (and jobs) could be called into question.


If we don't question when they kill people, and do question when they don't....

What does that, in effect, teach them they can get away with?

As to no evidence at the outset of the final stand off...
1. When a person accuses cops of being dirty, and ends up dying, there is always due cause to go over everything rigorously....might even be a good idea to get an outside body to do the investigating.
Again, if we don't hold up that questioning at that point, what does it teach them?
2. This case specifically, 2 wallets.  Another sign that something is a wee bit off.
2013-02-13 10:52:46 PM  
1 votes:

tirob: Probably irrelevant here in that whoever was in the cabin was reported to have taken shots at cops.


Well well well, correct again.  Irrelevant.

The discussion was about when the shooting started did they know or were they just guessing?

If that is the case, and they didn't know for sure it was Dorner but just a large black man(OR a white surfer dude with his wife...), it becomes a question of who shot first.

If it was Dorner, then yeah, the police were obliged to protect themselves.
If it was the cops shooting first without a clue as to who they were shooting at.....again....there would actually be just cause for the man fired upon to return fire should he be armed.

LAPD is lucky that is not what happened with the other 4 unarmed civilians they opened fire upon because they had the audicty to drive pick-ups in LA..
Then again, being LA, the suspects at that point would probably be illegally carrying, and it wouldn't have looked quite so bad.
2013-02-13 10:44:02 PM  
1 votes:

tirob: omeganuepsilon: .  People like tirob(who was incidentally doing the same thing then as now) and their lynch mob mentality.  Their statements of things like "Dorner IS guilty" "

At no time did I ever assert that Dorner was guilty.


But you strive to paint a picture where the cops are completely justified in anything they may have done, which amounts to the same thing considering how it it turned out.

/from what it looks like anyhow, as I mentioned, I haven't seen all of your posts.

You carry that same lynch mob mentality here as you did there.  I don't believe you technically said he was "guilty" there either.  But you fought up and down every possibility of self defense.

Sure, you are technically correct.  Ready for the kicker?  I never said that you said what you really really felt the need to deny.  Insecure much?
People like you, who say things like X.
I pooled you in a group of people that do say that, because you all share the same mentality, the same visceral reaction, the same failure at interpretation of law, the same wondrous ability to fill in knowledge gaps with material gathered on your last spelunking trip in your own rectum, the same ability to pretend all you speak is infallible fact, the same obtuse and convenient glancing over uncomfortable facts that don't mesh with your perfectly little fabricated world view.

So, correct(in this specific instance), but completely and utterly irrelevant.

It's nice to click on that feature that shows all posts, because it's been a while and you're curious, and these posters that you don't typically see, still try to pull the same lame tricks that they were pulling many months ago.  Reassuring.
2013-02-13 10:32:23 PM  
1 votes:
Three things I teach my kids...

1. Look both ways before you cross the street.
2. Don't take candy from strangers.
3. Never...EVER...trust a cop. NEVER!
2013-02-13 09:40:30 PM  
1 votes:
He fought the law, and the law won.
2013-02-13 09:34:43 PM  
1 votes:

Lunchlady: Seriously, it would be touching if you all could be so concerned with the daily murders in LA County as much as we are with this poor deranged man who got exactly what he wanted.


There it is again, the projection we care about Dorner.

I care more about the 4 irrelevant civilians(well, not specifically them now that I hear they're ok) the LAPD attempted to gun down based on very poor suspicions that it was Dorner.

I'm concerned that LAPD has some very very low standards and needs some review.

Because a department that functions that way likely won't handle the daily murders with any more quality than they have this fiasco.
2013-02-13 09:20:23 PM  
1 votes:
So, a mentally ill person with guns killed some people, including cops.
That ended well, didn't it?
Because ... FREEDOM!!!

Just another day in the United States of America.
2013-02-13 09:19:59 PM  
1 votes:

Amos Quito: :-)


What I find greatly interesting, you may have noticed this by the way, is that we were saying many of the same things in the Zimmerman threads.

You know, consideration of fact, due process, etc.

There we were labled racists because the deceased in that case was black, when we actually posted because there was the possibility of legitimate self defense.

Now, here we are, talking about how even a demonstrably unstable black man, a suspected criminal, deserves consideration of fact and due process(if at all possible mind you)   And we're labeled cop haters.

Now, the interesting part.  The other constants.  People like tirob(who was incidentally doing the same thing then as now) and their lynch mob mentality.  Their statements of things like "Dorner IS guilty" "Why hate on cops, the guy deserved to die"(not that tirob said these, per say, I wouldn't know, can only see when people reply)

Things that make you go hmmm.

If anyone is vindicated, it is us, for taking the exact same position as before, siding with facts and justice, logic when needed.
2013-02-13 09:04:40 PM  
1 votes:
Dorniers

Obviously.
2013-02-13 08:57:48 PM  
1 votes:
Amos Quito:

Evidence strongly indicates that  the police stated outright their intent to set fire to the cabin where Dorner was holed up, and then  proceeded to act on those stated intentions, setting fire to the cabin, and killing Dorner in the process.

Y'know, what I heard on the scanner recordings sounded like one pissed-off guy calling for the cabin's burning repeatedly, with no one seconding that motion. It didn't sound like an official command, just sideline bravado.  I can't take it as evidence of the entire cohort's intention or the official plan.

As for the transcipts I've seen thus far, they were all typed by people who want to believe that Dorner was murdered.  I'm a bit skeptical of their accuracy.  The transcribers may be honest but people hear what they want to hear.

Firing 7 or 8 incendiary TG canisters into an old wooden cabin was very risky to Dorner.  But if they waited him out, he would have controlled when and how he came out.  That would be very risky to the cops.  I'd have put the risk on the other guy, myself.
2013-02-13 08:57:04 PM  
1 votes:

FC Exile: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=34a_1360786062
Vid of one of the shootouts.



Great video.

You can see the smoke starting to rise from the cabin once the cops torched it.

The fully automatic and semi-auto gunfire is almost incessant - like a farkin' Clint Eastwood movie from the 70's. Thousands of rounds, no doubt, and the cops we could see were barely taking cover.

Unfortunately this ALSO calls into question the cops' claim that they heard a "single shot" coming from the cabin once the fire started.

How the hell could they tell what was what? It would be like claiming that you heard a pin drop during a farking train wreck.
2013-02-13 08:45:39 PM  
1 votes:

tirob: I'm going to indulge in some speculation here, based on the WaPo article, and theorize that the fire started because some hot substance from the pyrotechnic CS gas that the San Bernardino sheriff's department shot into the cabin ignited one or more rounds from the ammunition that Dorner had with him.



Question, tirob: Did you listen to the recording?

The fun starts at the 1:00 mark - "we're going to go forward with the plan - with the burner"

Within 30 seconds, he says: "Burners deployed AND WE HAVE A FIRE".

30 seconds, tirob. 30 farking seconds.

Still in doubt?
2013-02-13 08:44:45 PM  
1 votes:

I can't get the cap off!: omeganuepsilon:

A fairly easy thing to remember requiring none of the details typically lost or confused in memory slippage.

We'll see how well your memory recalls the event.

Which one of these things is not like the others....

You don't get it both ways. Either there was no chance the details were confused, or he suffered head trauma that led to him possibly mis-remembering the event.

Which is it?


Why are you still pretending to be relevant?
2013-02-13 08:30:54 PM  
1 votes:

BarkingUnicorn: OTOH, there now may be credible evidence that Dorner wasn't competent enough to be re-instated as a permanent officer, regardless of whether his supervisor kicked anyone.


FTFY, well, for the lulz at any rate

What I found entertaining and indicatative of a mental fracture was, in his manifesto, in that he stated he wanted to "clear his name".

It's not plain stupidity(like the simple folks on fark) to try to do that by making threats and killing people, that's a broken man.
2013-02-13 08:29:58 PM  
1 votes:

just_intonation: publikenemy: AverageAmericanGuy: You almost want to root for Dorner to come out of this unscathed just to put his thumb in the LAPD's eye.

Also it would be awesome to put a thumb in the eye of the wives, children, grandchildren, friends, and relatives of the INNOCENT people he ALLEGEDLY assassinated right?...cuz you know....Fark them

FTFY. He was still innocent until proven guilty in a court of law, not in the court of public opinion or the court of what the LAPD wanted you to believe.

/whole thing stinks hugely, and I seriously doubt the whole truth will ever come out



PREDICTION:

Within a week - a month at MOST, anyone who questions ANY point of the Official Police Version of Events will be being labeled a "nutcase conspiracy theorist", a "cop hater" and a "Dorner Troofer" - or some such.


/Ridicule will shut you up
//Just watch
///Serfs
2013-02-13 08:27:45 PM  
1 votes:

thiefofdreams: Trail by a jury of your peers.

Not an execution by the asshats you have a complaint against.

You cannot pick and choose the parts of the Constitution you want to follow.

The cops have to follow Due Process. It is what makes this country great and establishes the rule of law. Anyone cheering on the police, doesn't get that the other murder is still alleged. Alleged means they think he did but have not prove so in a court of law. You know the way things are meant to work.

I am not saying this guy is a hero, far from it. I think he was someone that needed some serious help and didn't get it. The LAPD needs some serious help too, first in how to conduct police business

within the boundaries of the law they're sworn to uphold, second in law, and third, how to capture someone alive.

If there's not a thorough, unbiased independent investigation of this whole fiasco, it will be very telling.

/if that's even possible
2013-02-13 08:13:35 PM  
1 votes:

tirob: Amos Quito: I can't get the cap off!: Actually, while I started off believing the fire was deliberate, now I have at least some thought that the police simply refer to CS grenades as "burners".

This new info hurts the position that the fire was deliberate, not helps it.

Now there may be an argument that the dispatch was misinterpreted, whereas I don't believe there was one before.


Listen to the recording.

Cop 1: "The burner has been deployed and we have a fire"
Dispatcher: "Copy (seven?) burner has been deployed and we have a fire"

The fire was set intentionally.

The department(s) CONSPIRED to commit premeditated murder, summary execution.

Whether or not Dorner "deserved it" is IRRELEVANT.

The San Bernardino Sheriff's office denies this.  "Burners" refer to pyrotechnic or so-called "hot" teargas canisters, which were lobbed into the cabin after so-called "cold" teargas failed to flush Dorner out.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/sheriff-says-officers-did-not -i ntentionally-burn-cabin-where-ex-cop-fugitive-was-barricaded/2013/02/1 3/d907b3dc-763e-11e2-b102-948929030e64_story.html


And me expecting them to admit they committed murder. So silly.

Thankfully for them they're not on tape saying anything stupid like, "burners deployed" "like we planned" "we have fire." Oh wait...
2013-02-13 07:48:58 PM  
1 votes:

Amos Quito: They're CLAIMING that they used CS gas. Maybe they did, maybe they used something else.


For the last farking time, the goddamn police, including SWAT, do not carry devices for the purpose of starting fires.
2013-02-13 07:41:09 PM  
1 votes:

I can't get the cap off!: fredklein: I can't get the cap off!: She submitted a negative performance review of him, which precipitated his sudden recollection of events.

So? If someone bad-mouthed me, I'd bring up stuff they did in the past, too. In no way does this prove it's a false accusation, as you imply.

I'm not saying the accusation is false.

I'm saying there is no compelling evidence that it is true.

Isn't that the crux of all of this? If Dorner is innocent until proven guilty, why are you presuming the guilt of the other officer?

Show me one shred of evidence that Dorner was railroaded out of the LAPD for being a whistleblower.


Do you want to explain Kelly Thomas' murder?
If there was no video, those cops would still be out there victimizing other people that they are paid to protect. Not a single office on the scene or involved accused anyone of any wrongdoing or inproper use of force, until Kelly was dead and the video released.
2013-02-13 07:39:35 PM  
1 votes:

Popcorn Johnny: omeganuepsilon: Do you seriously not understand what's being said here?

Starting fires is not the intended use of a tear gas grenade, is it? You could throw 20 of them into a home and not start a fire. On the other hand, you could throw one and burn the farking place down.



They're CLAIMING that they used CS gas. Maybe they did, maybe they used something else.

In any case, their CLEAR INTENT OF THE POLICE WAS TO START A FIRE:


At the 1:00 mark:

Cop 1: "We're going to go forward with - a - with the plan... with the burner."
Cop 2: "Copy"
Cop 1: "It's a... It's like we talked about"

[silence]

Cop 1: "The burner has been deployed and we have a fire"
Dispatcher: "Copy (seven?) burner has been deployed and we have a fire"


Now, don't you have some Jackboots to lick?
2013-02-13 07:31:17 PM  
1 votes:

Popcorn Johnny: justtray: You questioned that they had incendary devices capable of starting the fire that weren't standard issue flashbangs and gas. You were wrong.

Their tear gas grenades are standard issue. You're not only wrong but fail miserably at reading comprehension.


Evidence strongly indicates that Dorner stated his intent to attack police officers and their families, and then proceeded to act on those stated intentions, killing several people.

You agree with that, right?

Evidence strongly indicates that  the police stated outright their intent to set fire to the cabin where Dorner was holed up, and then  proceeded to act on those stated intentions, setting fire to the cabin, and killing Dorner in the process.

Why do you accept Dorner's statements and subsequent acts as "fact", yet squirm like an eel in trying to excuse the statements and subsequent acts of the police?
2013-02-13 07:27:14 PM  
1 votes:

Lunchlady: Ya but it doesn't prove it was true.


The police's (re-)actions prove it was true.

You're basically willing to trade one possible wrongful accusation with another possible wrong accusation so you can make the LAPD look corrupt.

Where have you been the last few decades? THE LAPD IS CORRUPT.
2013-02-13 07:24:55 PM  
1 votes:

I can't get the cap off!: I'm not saying the accusation is false.

I'm saying there is no compelling evidence that it is true.


It has to be one or the other. If it's not true, then it's false.

Isn't that the crux of all of this? If Dorner is innocent until proven guilty, why are you presuming the guilt of the other officer?

1) one of her own, another cop (Dorner) reported her. Are you saying cops lie? :-)
2) LAPD has a Loooooooooooooong history of abuse. While this proves nothing, it certainly does not help dis-prove.
3) Cops in general have a looooooooong history of abusing people. While this proves nothing, it certainly does not help dis-prove.
4) As I showed before, Dorner had no reason to lie. They weren't going to toss out his review because of an unrelated incident.
5) The Board Of Review was packed with friends and partners of the woman he accused, and they refused to recuse themselves. Couldn't have an impartial review of the case!

And probably a few more i can't think of right now.

Show me one shred of evidence that Dorner was railroaded out of the LAPD for being a whistleblower.

See above. Read his "manifesto". Read some of the articles written by reporters starting to look into the case.
2013-02-13 07:15:59 PM  
1 votes:

I can't get the cap off!: No, the suspect told an account that differed from Dorner's, and his own father stated that his son was unreliable.


Where do you get this stuff?

In 8/07 I reported an officer (Ofcr. Teresa Evans/now a Sergeant), for kicking a suspect (excessive force) during a Use of Force while I was assigned as a patrol officer at LAPD's Harbor Division. While cuffing the suspect, (Christopher Gettler), Evans kicked the suspect twice in the chest and once in the face. The kick to the face left a visible injury on the left cheek below the eye.
...
I later went to a Board of Rights (department hearing for decision of continued employment) from 10/08 to 1/09. During this BOR hearing a video was played for the BOR panel where Christopher Gettler stated that he was indeed kicked by Officer Evans (video sent to multiple news agencies). In addition to Christopher Gettler stating he was kicked, his father Richard Gettler, also stated that his son had stated he was kicked by an officer when he was arrested after being released from custody. This was all presented for the department at the BOR hearing.

Here's the video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKDMITqKT0M

...in which he answers 'Yes' to the question "...were you kicked in the face?". When asked where, he touches his face under his left eye. Who did it? An officer. A female officer.

Of course they would, if he could prove that she was using threat of negative reviews to keep him quite about the incident.

"Yes, I wanted him to keep silent about me kicking a suspect in the face, so I threatened to give him a bad review... then I actually gave him a bad review, thus losing my control over him". Yeah, suuuuure.
2013-02-13 07:01:34 PM  
1 votes:

ShawnDoc: From the manifesto " I know most of you who personally know me are in disbelief to hear from media reports that I am suspected of committing such horrendous murders and have taken drastic and shocking actions in the last couple of days. "


'Y'all are shocked to hear the media call me a murderer' is not a confession. Neither is "I have taken drastic and shocking actions". Try again.
2013-02-13 06:57:35 PM  
1 votes:

Popcorn Johnny: justtray: You questioned that they had incendary devices capable of starting the fire that weren't standard issue flashbangs and gas. You were wrong.

Their tear gas grenades are standard issue. You're not only wrong but fail miserably at reading comprehension.


I don't really feel like breaking out your quote to shine a light on your ignorance. You and I both know you were wrong. You going on a baseless ad hominem defensively doesn't do your character any favors.
2013-02-13 06:46:52 PM  
1 votes:

SirVagTheTighty: justtray: SirVagTheTighty: omeganuepsilon: SlothB77: http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2013/02/dorner-manhunt-highly-i n cendiary-hot-gas-used-on-cabin.html

Where are all the people that seemed to imply such things did not exist or that police do not employ them?

This is what I meant above about people making assumptions based on nothing but their own guesses and belief structure.

The detail about him continually shooting at them for 4 hours seems pertinent too.

He carried four hours worth of ammo for continual shooting with him as he evaded authorities in two different vehicles and on foot? That's pretty amazing. Do you have a source for that because I'm honestly curious as to how that is possible.

Like the one you quoted?

Law enforcement sources said the officers got into several gun battles with Dorner during a nearly four-hour siege at the cabin in the Big Bear area.

Or are you going to biatch that I said continual and it said several?


No you admitting you're wrong is fine. Apology accepted.

It's crazy how you people insert facts into the story where none exist though. You guys are pretty much exactly what is wrong with the country.
2013-02-13 06:42:49 PM  
1 votes:

I can't get the cap off!: So the only person who saw a kick was a clearly mentally ill police officer, who had a clear incentive to fabricate said story?


Firstly, Where did you study psychology, and how many sessions did you have with Dorner? 'You didn't', and 'none'? Then your opinion as to his mental status is... irrelevant.

Second, even if his report of the kick (which was verified by the suspect who was kicked and his father, BTW) was believed, it would have fark-all to do with his review. It's not like they'd throw his review away. So there is no incentive to make it up, and certainly none to keep insisting it was true for years.
2013-02-13 06:30:26 PM  
1 votes:

Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: justtray: Better questions - What makes Dorner "clearly mentally ill?"

He started hunting down other officers and their relatives?


So my suspicion is correct. We're now falsely labelling anyone who commits crime we wouldn't do as arbitrarily "mentally ill."

I guess they'll have to rewrite the DSM-IV
2013-02-13 06:27:19 PM  
1 votes:

SlothB77: http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2013/02/dorner-manhunt-highly-i n cendiary-hot-gas-used-on-cabin.html


Cut that out. Popcorn Johnny insisted this is just conspiracy nonsense. Debate over, facts be damned.
2013-02-13 06:07:54 PM  
1 votes:

Holographic Shimmering Pork: Lunchlady:Yep, because a guy who murders the daughter and her boyfriend of a cop who "wronged him" is totally a modern day Robin Hood who's unfairly a victim.

There's a lot of causes and issues worth defending, Dorner isn't one of them.

Why is it so terribly difficult for you to understand that taking issue with police conduct is completely and entirely separate from defending Dorner?

Why do so many of those like you interpret criticism of law enforcement = defense of criminals?

I'm deadly serious, and I demand an answer - why is it so gotdamn hard to process?



This

We are SUPPOSED to be a society under the "Rule of Law", and Law Enforcement Officers are SUPPOSED to be there to protect the citizenry at large from those who threaten society by breaking the law.

They MUST be held to a higher standard than common criminals - especially when they SUPPOSEDLY REPRESENT US in the line of duty.

Otherwise it's just thugs vs thugs, street gang vs street gang. Anarchy.

Murders and murderers are a dime-a-dozen in SoCal, yet THIS case was treated differently - it was "special" from day one - not because the crimes were particularly heinous, but because the victims and targets were a "special class".

Law enforcement has shown a very ugly side of its face in this ordeal, and it is up to us, the PEOPLE, to make sure that they are held accountable, and to let them know that such attitudes and actions will NOT be tolerated in the future.

And this MUST be done NOT Dorner style, but via the Rule of Law.
2013-02-13 05:44:34 PM  
1 votes:
Lunchlady:Yep, because a guy who murders the daughter and her boyfriend of a cop who "wronged him" is totally a modern day Robin Hood who's unfairly a victim.

There's a lot of causes and issues worth defending, Dorner isn't one of them.


Why is it so terribly difficult for you to understand that taking issue with police conduct is completely and entirely separate from defending Dorner?

Why do so many of those like you interpret criticism of law enforcement = defense of criminals?

I'm deadly serious, and I demand an answer - why is it so gotdamn hard to process?
2013-02-13 05:38:37 PM  
1 votes:
Wait, so they found his wallet on the boat on Monday, but also found it in the burnt down cabin today? I know its been brought up already, but that just confuses the crap out of me.
2013-02-13 05:28:12 PM  
1 votes:

Biological Ali: omeganuepsilon: Ah, you chose the willfully obtuse route. Well, the list helps with people like you as well.

I'm just trying to work out whether your posts are regular trolls or just some clumsy satire. The fact that you would link to and reference a document that specifically refutes the silly arguments you're purporting to make suggests to me that it it may be a joke - but if it is, I've got to say, it's not a particularly good one.



STATUTORY STANDARDS FOR USING DEADLY PHYSICAL FORCE
The law authorizes law enforcement officers tousedeadly physical force only when they reasonably believe it is necessary to:

1. defend themselves or a third person from the use or imminent use of deadly physical force or

2. make an arrest or prevent the escape from custody of a person whom they reasonably believe has committed or attempted to commit a felony involving the infliction or threatened infliction of serious physical injury and, where feasible, they have given warning of their intent to use deadly physical force (CGS § 53a-22 (c)).

The law defines"deadly physical force" as physical force that can be reasonably expected to cause death or serious physical injury (CGS § 53a-3(5)). It defines "serious  physical  injury" as physical injury which creates a substantial risk of death or which causes serious disfigurement, serious impairment of health, or serious loss or impairment of the function of any bodily organ (CGS § 53a-3(4)).

The law specifies thata reasonable belief that a person has committed an offense means a reasonable belief in facts or circumstances which, if true, would constitute an offense. If the believed facts or circumstances would not constitute an offense, an erroneous though not unreasonable belief that the law is otherwise does not make the use of physical force justifiable to make an arrest or to prevent an escape from custody (CGS § 53a-22(a)).



Without Positive ID, reasonable belief is not possible.  Without positive ID, you're facing what amounts to a random stranger and could likely result in use of excessive force, as is exactly what did happen in this case, in two separate events, where the police were operating on unreasonable belief.
2013-02-13 05:16:42 PM  
1 votes:

nekom: raatz01: Is there confirmation it's him? I still got 70/30 odds they murdered some homeless man "accidentally."

According to this article, they found his driver's license. Unless he left it there, along with an unidentified body that is not him, I'd say they got their man.


The same drivers license that they found in San Ysidro last week?
2013-02-13 05:09:57 PM  
1 votes:

Lunchlady: Nope, just some FARK nutters who apparently had their dogs peed on by the cops.


Give it enough time, and you'll have your dog peed on as well.

Unless, of course, you're one of the truly good people, in which case the police would never act inappropriately towards you. Licking their boot is the preferred method of identifying yourself as such.

(Seriously - minimizing real and rational issues with police by calling people "nutters, " etc. is as intellectually dishonest as is possible. What's your encore, stupid crazy rape victims that really just hate the big 'ole cawk?)
2013-02-13 04:24:22 PM  
1 votes:

Biological Ali: Dr. Goldshnoz: Biological Ali: omeganuepsilon: That we don't have clear factual information as to how that shooting began. Can it be put any more simply?

What difference would it make?

well if the cops shot first like they did on those mexican ladies and white dude, well, it makes a huge difference.

It makes no difference whatsoever. Police (in the US at any rate) pursuing a suspect believed to be armed and dangerous are under no obligation to wait for him to shoot first before being able to use lethal force to incapacitate him.


Simply being labeled "armed and dangerous" is not just cause for applying lethal force.
2013-02-13 04:21:15 PM  
1 votes:

I can't get the cap off!: fredklein:

Actually, it started when a female cop kicked a suspect in the face, and Dorner had the balls to report it.

Right. The day after she gave him a negative performance review, he suddenly remembers that she brutalized a suspect 2 weeks ago.

Totally legit.


"Dorner did not immediately report the kicks to a sergeant, he said, because he was asked only what force he had used, not what his partner had done. And as a rookie who had already filed complaints against fellow officers, he feared retaliation from within the department, Dorner testified.."

No one asked him. It wasn't until later, when he saw nothing was being done about what happened, that he reported it. As he has reported things in the past.

"Records show that Dorner reported the kicks a day after he received an evaluation in which Evans noted that he needed to show improvement in three categories, including the time it took to write reports, officer safety and use of common sense and good judgment."

Well, a lone man going up against a whole corrupt police force does kinda show poor judgement, I'll give them that.
2013-02-13 04:15:56 PM  
1 votes:

ShawnDoc: fredklein: I fixed that for you

Well, his manifesto, which he posted to his facebook after the shooting, pretty much confirms his involvement in the killing of the woman and her finance in Irvine.


25.media.tumblr.com
2013-02-13 04:04:44 PM  
1 votes:

neversubmit: [lh6.googleusercontent.com image 359x373]


That would be farking crazy if real...
2013-02-13 03:52:34 PM  
1 votes:

kindms: tweek46420: Mid_mo_mad_man: The love being for Donner is sickening. How is he a good guy? Fark is sickening today. Fark him all to hell

I have no love for the guy....but for the police to just burn the house down is disturbing

This happened in 1986 in Philadelphia. The police Dept dropped a BOMB on a residential home, killing multiple adults and children, burning down some 60+ homes.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4651126

And something that is brought in to light with this is the FACT the LEOs know that tear gas + flash bang = fire. There have been numerous incidents over the years where they claim that they couldn't have known they would cause fires


damn
2013-02-13 03:49:32 PM  
1 votes:

ShawnDoc: fredklein: Yup... and it was promptly IGNORED until he drew attention to himself by (allegedly) killing a few people - that had absolutely nothing to do with what happened to him -. That's the thing people aren't facing up to- he TRIED to get the truth out, only to have it completely ignored. So take your 'he should have gone to the media' and shove it- he DID go to them.

I fixed that for you.  This whole thing started when he allegedly, according to the very police department who farked him over to begin with killed a young woman and her fiance, because her didn't like the job her father did.


I fixed that for you

Actually, it started when a female cop kicked a suspect in the face, and Dorner had the balls to report it.
2013-02-13 03:46:50 PM  
1 votes:

tweek46420: Mid_mo_mad_man: The love being for Donner is sickening. How is he a good guy? Fark is sickening today. Fark him all to hell

I have no love for the guy....but for the police to just burn the house down is disturbing


This happened in 1986 in Philadelphia. The police Dept dropped a BOMB on a residential home, killing multiple adults and children, burning down some 60+ homes.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4651126

And something that is brought in to light with this is the FACT the LEOs know that tear gas + flash bang = fire. There have been numerous incidents over the years where they claim that they couldn't have known they would cause fires
2013-02-13 03:45:15 PM  
1 votes:

nekom: neversubmit: [lh6.googleusercontent.com image 359x373]

that's a shoop, right?


it says "confrimed." i'm betting yes.
2013-02-13 03:41:12 PM  
1 votes:

neversubmit: [lh6.googleusercontent.com image 359x373]


that's a shoop, right?
2013-02-13 03:34:46 PM  
1 votes:
lh6.googleusercontent.com
2013-02-13 03:27:54 PM  
1 votes:

omeganuepsilon: SirVagTheTighty: Scroll up thread it has been quoted numerous times saying he tried to

Useless without citation....

Just as you take fault with:
SirVagTheTighty: All I've heard regarding friendly fire is 'dumb cops prob shot each other etc'.

And no, I'm not scrubbing the thread to look for something you claim to be fact.  I asked for your reputable source, and you reply with "a lot of people on fark"....  Are you sure you're not trolling?


OMG. lern2google

pbs.twimg.com
2013-02-13 03:27:50 PM  
1 votes:

Lunchlady: BuckTurgidson: SirVagTheTighty: A lot of you are just pissed he got taken down and didn't get to kill another handful of cops.

I would much prefer he had stood trial.

I mean, since he's so obviously guilty he goes to death row and everyone wins, right? And the public gets to see some of LAPD's closets dragged open and maybe some reform ensues?

Which is exactly what the LAPD dreaded and why they set out from the beginning not to even attempt to capture him but to shoot him dead on sight regardless of the circumstances, and why they not only summarily killed him but incinerated him and any evidence or testimony he might have had on him.

Even if Dorner had managed, against the LAPD's will, to engineer a successful surrender he would have been held in solitary, then placed on "suicide watch" shortly after which it would have been announced he had kicked himself unconscious then hung himself in his cell.

Oh bullshiat. If he wanted to get captured he would have taken a car and driven to a TV station, told them "I'm Dorner" and waited for cops to come so they could videotape him being taken. Or he could have called a TV station said "I'm Dorner" given them his address and waited in a front lawn for cops, knowing that the TV copter would get there to video tape his arrest.

This happened exactly how he wanted it to.


Not to mention about a billion cops from multiple departments were involved in this.  Maybe some high up people did want him dead.  Do you really think they circulated a memo to everyone that said 'hey shoot this dude, please don't arrest him k thx. - love chief of some department you have nothing to do with'?  Do you for a single believe every police officer out there was going to risk his life, career, and ethics to kill a man that wanted to surrender?
2013-02-13 03:20:08 PM  
1 votes:

mudpants: incendiary tear gas  ?  what is that ?  and if it causes fires why does it need to make eyes water ?


It's a special gas.  It causes eyes to water, fire to start, crotches to itch, and uses up all the minutes on your cell plan.  Even roll over minutes!
2013-02-13 03:19:47 PM  
1 votes:

the money is in the banana stand: Giltric: finnished: fredklein:
[extras.mnginteractive.com image 400x249]

This reminds me... Wasn't there someone in the previous threads doubting the driver of this guy when he had said that the airbag was blocking his vision. The poster said that the airbag doesn't stay inflated, that it deflates as quickly as it inflates...

Deflated or not, that definitely looks like it could be blocking your vision.


The air bag did not deploy until the truck was rammed. the police did not try to pull the vehicle over. They were looking to execute somebody.

How exactly do you stop a moving vehicle if the driver does not stop and pull over and you want to avoid a high-speed pursuit that could endanger a bunch of innocent people? Do you "will" it over? No you farking ram it or disable it.


Um:

"David Perdue was on his way to sneak in some surfing before work Thursday morning when police flagged him down. They asked who he was and where he was headed, then sent him on his way.

Seconds later, Perdue's attorney said, a Torrance police cruiser slammed into his pickup and officers opened fire"

http://articles.latimes.com/2013/feb/09/local/la-me-torrance-shootin g- 20130210
2013-02-13 03:19:13 PM  
1 votes:

SirVagTheTighty: A lot of you are just pissed he got taken down and didn't get to kill another handful of cops.


I would much prefer he had stood trial.

I mean, since he's so obviously guilty he goes to death row and everyone wins, right? And the public gets to see some of LAPD's closets dragged open and maybe some reform ensues?

Which is exactly what the LAPD dreaded and why they set out from the beginning not to even attempt to capture him but to shoot him dead on sight regardless of the circumstances, and why they not only summarily killed him but incinerated him and any evidence or testimony he might have had on him.

Even if Dorner had managed, against the LAPD's will, to engineer a successful surrender he would have been held in solitary, then placed on "suicide watch" shortly after which it would have been announced he had kicked himself unconscious then hung himself in his cell.
2013-02-13 03:16:09 PM  
1 votes:

Lunchlady: Jesus Christ, I forget sometimes how many loony sociopaths FARK has. This guy was an asshole and we're better off without him.


Um, a sociopath would be one that favors the idea of not following societies rules and just doing away with people.  Non-sociopaths, however, sort of dig the concepts of our justice system.  Faulted as it may be, it's a far sight better than the lynch mob sociopaths decrying that their Jump to ConclusionTM mats are the best way to judge guilt and innocence.
2013-02-13 03:12:11 PM  
1 votes:

SubBass49: The thought occurred to me this morning...

I wonder what the overlap would be between the people that were happy about the cops torching Dorner without bothering to call in a negotiator (and thus enabling the possibility of due process through our justice system)...

...and...

Fark PatriotsTMthat complain about Obama every 5 minutes somehow violating the constitution.

I'd like to see that Venn diagram, and then pose the question: "Do you people know how farking hypocritical you are, or are you completely oblivious to it?"

Just curious.


I can't speak for all, but I will give you one data point.

I generally think a lot of cops abuse their power and the LAPD needs looked at here for a lot of stuff.

I also voted for Obama twice.  I don't think he is perfect, but I think he has done a lot of good an I am excited to see how the rest of his term goes.

We all aren't racist assholes, some of us just aren't super paranoid about our rights being violated when we go on killing sprees and refuse to surrender.  We can also understand a number of law enforcement officers wanting to make it home to their families alive vs dieing to take him into custody when he clearly would rather die.
2013-02-13 03:01:48 PM  
1 votes:
WOW! A lot is going on, if I'm keeping up we (the USA) are about to burn down Mexico. Is that right?
2013-02-13 03:01:33 PM  
1 votes:

SirVagTheTighty: He opened fire first, on multiple officers, killing one and injuring another.


Do we have hard evidence for that?

SirVagTheTighty: As far as I know there is no evidence, or anyone even suggesting that he ever tried to giev himself up.


Tit for tat, douchebag.

SirVagTheTighty: A lot of you are just pissed he got taken down and didn't get to kill another handful of cops.


But I am not.  I am simply not making judgement because I don't have all of the facts.  Unlike you and others.

tweek46420: that looks like a side curtain airbag...and yes....even deflated that shiat would block someone vision in or out of the cab from the side


Not before the ramming that caused it to deploy though.
2013-02-13 02:55:06 PM  
1 votes:

omeganuepsilon: I can't get the cap off!: omeganuepsilon:

Not at the point where they decided to gas him our or burn him alive and proceeded to do so.

Did he throw out his weapons and put his hands out the window to indicate that he was surrendering?

Because otherwise I'd assume he was still trying to kill me, and do everything in my power to kill him first.

Try reading the whole post, and understanding the concept, then reply.  It works better that way.

The law enforcement in this case has proven that many many members are willing to shoot first without even any idea of who they are actually shooting at.

In that case, there is no such thing as surrender, but more being a willing victim of murder.

My standpoint is that I'm willing to admit multiple possibilities of what actually happened.  Your standpoint hinges on making many assumptions with very few actual facts..  You'd make an average member of the LAPD(if you are judged against your peers at any rate).


What are you talking about?  He opened fire first, on multiple officers, killing one and injuring another.  As far as I know there is no evidence, or anyone even suggesting that he ever tried to giev himself up.  A willing victim of murder?  Give me a farken break all he has to do is say 'hey I give up' and he is done.

A lot of you are just pissed he got taken down and didn't get to kill another handful of cops.
2013-02-13 02:45:30 PM  
1 votes:

I can't get the cap off!: omeganuepsilon:

Not at the point where they decided to gas him our or burn him alive and proceeded to do so.

Did he throw out his weapons and put his hands out the window to indicate that he was surrendering?

Because otherwise I'd assume he was still trying to kill me, and do everything in my power to kill him first.



Hope you're not a cop.
2013-02-13 02:44:19 PM  
1 votes:

SirVagTheTighty: I keep seeing this and I don't get it. What do you all think he knew? The guy got fired and had an appeal. Do you really think he had all this secret info he didn't talk about then, never bothered to talk to the media over the next 5 years about, then went on a killing spree, wrote a long ass manifesto he didn't mention it in, and then did everything he could not to be taken alive, but if he had been damn he would of spilled it all at the trial?


Despite all the discussion here on fark, many/most people out in the real world don't know his story. They heard "cop killer" and "manifesto" on the news, and that's about it. Him going to trial would result in much more news coverage as time goes on, and more and more people would learn what happened to him, and about the other incidents he wrote about (and doubtless some he didn't).

THAT's what the LAPD doesn't want to happen.
2013-02-13 02:40:38 PM  
1 votes:

I can't get the cap off!: Wasn't he shooting at them?


Not at the point where they decided to gas him our or burn him alive and proceeded to do so.

That is why some feel as if it may have been a summary execution.

Think about it this way.  If you were the white couple that was shot on by LAPD(who they wildly guessed was Dorner), would you have a right to return fire in self defense?

If you happened to make it to cover, would you leave that cover if they said, "Just kidding, you can come out now, we promise to not shoot?"
2013-02-13 02:25:47 PM  
1 votes:

Dr. Goldshnoz: SirVagTheTighty: They simply took away his hiding place

Shiat. You serious? Even if there WAS a fire fight outside the cabin it doesn't justify torching the place. There could have been children hostages in there for farks sake. Did they know there weren't? Are you saying risking killing innocent hostages (much less by BURNING THEM ALIVE) to get your revenge is worthwhile policy for the police?


Oh think of the children!  really?  If you are serious then I guess I'd just imagine between thermal imagining, the cops that witnessed the original fire fight, the maids that were kidnapped cleaning those very cabins, and the owners that said no one was up there they were pretty confident......
2013-02-13 02:21:09 PM  
1 votes:

Popcorn Johnny: inner ted: that's pretty farking stupid - but i think you know that and are just trolling

I'm not trolling at all, the words of one or two panicked/scared/pissed off/vengeful officers does not mean that an order was given by command to torch the place.


let me get this right:
radio traffic of the cops on scene and involved in the incident saying what we all read Amos and other post (you can go back thread as easily as i can... or i'm sure Amos will post it again) is not convincing enough?

so
[citation needed]  ?

perfect
2013-02-13 02:20:54 PM  
1 votes:

SirVagTheTighty: They simply took away his hiding place


Shiat. You serious? Even if there WAS a fire fight outside the cabin it doesn't justify torching the place. There could have been children hostages in there for farks sake. Did they know there weren't? Are you saying risking killing innocent hostages (much less by BURNING THEM ALIVE) to get your revenge is worthwhile policy for the police?
2013-02-13 02:18:47 PM  
1 votes:

BuckTurgidson: SirVagTheTighty: Where does it say that it was LA swat?

I'm sorry, what would you say "LAPSWAT" stands for?


It doesn't say that anymore it says "SWAT teams had fired tear gas inside of the cabin as part of a "tactical operation" and were tearing down its walls to flush out Dorner, who had reportedly been driven back inside by police when he tried to flee out the back. "

Maybe you should go back and read my comment about not freaking out about every tiny thing the media says because they usually have no idea wtf they are talking about either.
2013-02-13 02:16:26 PM  
1 votes:
Forgive my ignorance, but what evidence do we have that he wrote the manifesto and made these threats, were they uploaded to his farcebook or something?
2013-02-13 02:15:34 PM  
1 votes:

Dr. Goldshnoz: SirVagTheTighty: BuckTurgidson: SirVagTheTighty: Bathsalt: PsiChick: What the f*ck. I had to duck out on the other thread--someone please, please tell me that the police did not  set the f*cking house on fire with at least one hostage and Dorner inside ofit.

Motherf*cking hell, if they did that I hope the FBI shuts the entire f*cking LAPD down. What the f*ck.

Why is it so hard for everyone to understand that the San Bernardino sheriffs office was running this operation??

I don't understand.  That doesn't seem like it fits into the conspiracy.  You must be wrong.

LAPSWAT teams had fired tear gas inside of the cabin as part of a "tactical operation"

Where does it say that it was LA swat?  You know LA isn't the only police department with a swat team right?  Either way it isn't a huge stretch that the department handling an investigation would be involved in it.  It is a bit of a stretch to think every police department would just be like 'yeah do whatever the fark you want, you want us to help you off someone to cover up your scandal?  cool lets do it'.

also

When deputies approached the cabin, one deputy was hit as Dorner fired out. A second deputy was wounded when Dorner went out the back of the cabin, set off a smoke bomb and opened fire again as he tried to flee, sources told the Los Angeles Times. He was driven back inside the cabin.

might shed some light on what happened for all you 'omg he was trying to turn himself in but they wouldn't let him!' peoples

Hmm, interesting. It still doesn't explain the legitimacy of the plan. The burn. Last i heard cops pay these people called negotiators. And in cases of stand offs they are supposed to wait people out until they get tired and give up. Not burn them alive.


If Dorner was unwilling to negotiate and they felt that any sort of negotiator would likely be shot - why would you send in a negotiator? If "waiting" him out would probably lead to him killing himself or trying to take others with him, well that doesn't sound feasible. Smoking him out forces the stalemate and puts the decision into Dorner's hands. Come outside or die. I don't really see much of a difference between "waiting him out" and smoking him out. Setting fire to the structure just expedites the whole process.
2013-02-13 02:13:50 PM  
1 votes:

SlothB77: i find it curious everything in the cabin is burnt to a crisp, but the ID is readable. Did Dorner put the ID in a fireproof safe or something?


after the hippies went about burning draft cards in the 60s, all IDs have been coated with a double secret special flame retardant chemical, as part of the Man's way of keeping us down.

there will be youtube videos, however, of burning ID card simulations in lincoln log cabins to disprove this.
2013-02-13 02:13:34 PM  
1 votes:

Dr. Goldshnoz: SirVagTheTighty: BuckTurgidson: SirVagTheTighty: Bathsalt: PsiChick: What the f*ck. I had to duck out on the other thread--someone please, please tell me that the police did not  set the f*cking house on fire with at least one hostage and Dorner inside ofit.

Motherf*cking hell, if they did that I hope the FBI shuts the entire f*cking LAPD down. What the f*ck.

Why is it so hard for everyone to understand that the San Bernardino sheriffs office was running this operation??

I don't understand.  That doesn't seem like it fits into the conspiracy.  You must be wrong.

LAPSWAT teams had fired tear gas inside of the cabin as part of a "tactical operation"

Where does it say that it was LA swat?  You know LA isn't the only police department with a swat team right?  Either way it isn't a huge stretch that the department handling an investigation would be involved in it.  It is a bit of a stretch to think every police department would just be like 'yeah do whatever the fark you want, you want us to help you off someone to cover up your scandal?  cool lets do it'.

also

When deputies approached the cabin, one deputy was hit as Dorner fired out. A second deputy was wounded when Dorner went out the back of the cabin, set off a smoke bomb and opened fire again as he tried to flee, sources told the Los Angeles Times. He was driven back inside the cabin.

might shed some light on what happened for all you 'omg he was trying to turn himself in but they wouldn't let him!' peoples

Hmm, interesting. It still doesn't explain the legitimacy of the plan. The burn. Last i heard cops pay these people called negotiators. And in cases of stand offs they are supposed to wait people out until they get tired and give up. Not burn them alive.


I don't see why they have an obligation to wait out a homicidal maniac that wants to kill them, and may pop up at any second and attempt to kill as many of them as possible.  To sit there for days and hope everyone stays alert enough to squeeze a round off before he can when he decides to make his last stand is dumb as hell.  It isn't like he HAD to sit there and burn.  They simply took away his hiding place and gave him the option of turning himself in, staying and dieing, or killing himself.

They owe him a fair trial and due process if he wants it.  I have no idea why anyone would think they owe him their lifes to try to force him to take a trial.  He can take it or leave it, thats not on the cops just trying to go home to their families without dieing.
2013-02-13 02:06:16 PM  
1 votes:

SirVagTheTighty: BuckTurgidson: SirVagTheTighty: Bathsalt: PsiChick: What the f*ck. I had to duck out on the other thread--someone please, please tell me that the police did not  set the f*cking house on fire with at least one hostage and Dorner inside ofit.

Motherf*cking hell, if they did that I hope the FBI shuts the entire f*cking LAPD down. What the f*ck.

Why is it so hard for everyone to understand that the San Bernardino sheriffs office was running this operation??

I don't understand.  That doesn't seem like it fits into the conspiracy.  You must be wrong.

LAPSWAT teams had fired tear gas inside of the cabin as part of a "tactical operation"

Where does it say that it was LA swat?  You know LA isn't the only police department with a swat team right?  Either way it isn't a huge stretch that the department handling an investigation would be involved in it.  It is a bit of a stretch to think every police department would just be like 'yeah do whatever the fark you want, you want us to help you off someone to cover up your scandal?  cool lets do it'.

also

When deputies approached the cabin, one deputy was hit as Dorner fired out. A second deputy was wounded when Dorner went out the back of the cabin, set off a smoke bomb and opened fire again as he tried to flee, sources told the Los Angeles Times. He was driven back inside the cabin.

might shed some light on what happened for all you 'omg he was trying to turn himself in but they wouldn't let him!' peoples


Hmm, interesting. It still doesn't explain the legitimacy of the plan. The burn. Last i heard cops pay these people called negotiators. And in cases of stand offs they are supposed to wait people out until they get tired and give up. Not burn them alive.
2013-02-13 01:53:33 PM  
1 votes:

Amos Quito: So the ID supposedly "found at the cabin fire" was PLANTED by the LAPD

Good find.

Let them weasel their way out of this one.


i find it curious everything in the cabin is burnt to a crisp, but the ID is readable.  Did Dorner put the ID in a fireproof safe or something?
2013-02-13 01:49:16 PM  
1 votes:

Dr. Goldshnoz: Because when the world knows your name and face and is after you, you might need your wallet and ID.


This.
2013-02-13 01:49:10 PM  
1 votes:

Amos Quito: Infamous El Guapo: Odds are the original wallet and ID found was possibly military ID in a separate flip wallet and was found in his bail out bag or similar bag he ditched either by accident or out of haste.

Not to say the cops aren't above tossing a wallet down found elsewhere and hollering and pointing at it, but I'm inclined to go with the former hypothesis.


Good thinking.


ALWAYS give the cops the benefit of the doubt.

Otherwise they might BURN YOU ALIVE.


That linked document does not say what IDs were found at the boat. It's not unusual for military reservists to have both military ID and their state issued driver's license in separate wallets or ID holders.

Manhunt or no manhunt, people tend to follow certain ingrained behaviors out of habit- you leave the house and you take your various IDs, keys, phone, breath mints, whatever, with you. This guy wasn't Jason Bourne.

I'm not defending the cops by any stretch, I'm just saying it's probably best to not jump to conclusions without all the data.
2013-02-13 01:46:02 PM  
1 votes:

Amos Quito: Infamous El Guapo: Odds are the original wallet and ID found was possibly military ID in a separate flip wallet and was found in his bail out bag or similar bag he ditched either by accident or out of haste.

Not to say the cops aren't above tossing a wallet down found elsewhere and hollering and pointing at it, but I'm inclined to go with the former hypothesis.


Good thinking.


ALWAYS give the cops the benefit of the doubt.

Otherwise they might BURN YOU ALIVE.


I'm inclined not to give the media the benefit of the doubt too.  After watching sandy hook, katrina, etc etc online with real access to police scanners and then seeing the weird shiat they reported, I'd be a lot more outraged if I saw a lapd press release or something claiming they had his wallet and not just some online article.

Not saying something isn't fishy but the media farks up so god damn much it is ridiculous.
2013-02-13 01:42:01 PM  
1 votes:

rinasaunce: A father of two with a wife was killed by your f'ing 'hero'.


Alot of people are pointing out how wrong the police involved were in shooting innocent people (the two seperate truck incidents) and burning down the cabin (premeditated malice after listening to the scanner and bleed going out over a live news feed) without knowing if Dorner had hostages.

Are you using the line of thought that anyone criticizing Bush is an Obama cawk smoker or anyone criticizing Obama is automatically a Bush cawk smoker?

Why can't they both be asshats?
2013-02-13 01:39:06 PM  
1 votes:

Infamous El Guapo: Odds are the original wallet and ID found was possibly military ID in a separate flip wallet and was found in his bail out bag or similar bag he ditched either by accident or out of haste.

Not to say the cops aren't above tossing a wallet down found elsewhere and hollering and pointing at it, but I'm inclined to go with the former hypothesis.



Good thinking.


ALWAYS give the cops the benefit of the doubt.

Otherwise they might BURN YOU ALIVE.
2013-02-13 01:37:04 PM  
1 votes:

BraveNewCheneyWorld: Amos Quito: leahruthie: Spartapuss: omeganuepsilon: They just held a press conference ( Saw on CNN) Still on...

"We know nothing new."

Thanks for taking the time to hold a press conference.

Still too hot for a body search?

too hot for a body search, body burned beyond recognition... but yet a wallet was found intact?

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/02/13/dorner-lapd-off ic er-fugitive-gunbattle/1915961/


The Miracle Wallet!

Why am I reminded of a certain, near-pristine PASSPORT that was found in the rubble of the Twin Towers after 911?

[files.abovetopsecret.com image 424x549]

Also from your link:

"Police said Dorner, 33, had been holed up since Thursday in another cabin 20 to 30 yards from the site where news media gathered and received sheriff's briefings daily on the massive manhunt after his burned truck was found earlier that day."

LULZ!

This story keeps getting better and better.

They already had his ID from when he tried to steal the boat.  See page 4 of attached document



Screen shot from your link (outlines and URL added)


i1121.photobucket.com


So the ID supposedly "found at the cabin fire" was PLANTED by the LAPD

Good find.

Let them weasel their way out of this one.
2013-02-13 01:21:41 PM  
1 votes:

rinasaunce: BafflerMeal: Maybe he did.

Gee, let's see.  Dorner said he did.  He took credit for it.  He called and taunted the victim's relatives.

/Are you out of tin foil?  Need more?



He never actually 'said' anything.  There was an online post that 'read' in a suggestive manner which was attributed to him.

The phone call was not from him and came from another part of the country.

No tin foil needed.  As flawed as they can be, I just prefer my criminality to be tried in the courts, not on TV.

/and it seems you aren't even keeping up with that narrative well...
2013-02-13 01:17:59 PM  
1 votes:
Here's another gem I came across.
pbs.twimg.com
2013-02-13 01:10:11 PM  
1 votes:

Dr. Goldshnoz: Can't tell if trolling or subhuman intelligence. Transcript clearly shows police intended it burned down with him inside, and it burned down with someone inside.


Thats the only thing that bugs me.  I wish they'd just say they burnt the farken thing down.

At least to reasonable people, there is nothing wrong with saying "we had a very dangerous individual isolated.  He had killed and or injured numerous cops and civilians.  We did not think it was safe for our officers to go in to get him.  He refused to come out on his own.  If we were to let him remain for a long stand off, the probability of him popping out at some point and attempting to take as many officers down with him as possible was extremely high.  We choose to create a situation where he would have to come out in a relatively short period of time, when we could more accurately control the situation.  We are deeply saddened that he chose not to surrender himself at any point of this long series of events.  However, he apparently has chosen to shoot himself rather than turn himself in when forced to make a final decision."
2013-02-13 01:06:07 PM  
1 votes:

BafflerMeal: Maybe he did.


Gee, let's see.  Dorner said he did.  He took credit for it.  He called and taunted the victim's relatives.

/Are you out of tin foil?  Need more?
2013-02-13 01:04:31 PM  
1 votes:
Can't tell if trolling or subhuman intelligence. Transcript clearly shows police intended it burned down with him inside, and it burned down with someone inside.
2013-02-13 01:03:49 PM  
1 votes:

rinasaunce: Riverside Officer Michael Crain, 34, a married father of two who served two tours in Kuwait as a rifleman in the Marines, was killed by Dorner.

A father of two with a wife was killed by your f'ing 'hero'.  Along with a 28 year old female basketball coach.  Way to show it to the 'man'.


Maybe he did.  Maybe he didn't.  Now we'll never know.  Schrodinger's Narrative is coalescing.
2013-02-13 12:33:35 PM  
1 votes:

SlothB77: Giltric: SlothB77: Is 'burners' police slang for tear gas?  If so and the tear gas started the fire, then it very well could have been accidental.

They call them burners because they are known for setting fire to structures, they are multitaskers that can be used to flush someone out or used to burn down structures.

I'm playing devil's advocate here.  I don't know how this equipment works.

Let's say they have these tear gas canisters and the police only intend to gas him out.  They are called burners because the only way to release the gas is to turn it on, burn something within this canister.  The canisters are ignited, thrown into the cabin.  Then, whoa, the cabin catches on fire by mistake.

Is this a plausible scenario?


Not when multiple cops are heard over the scanner and over live news reports saying burn the cabin down, burn this farker out.

If I say i'm going to burn your house down and your house burns down....guess who is a suspect?
2013-02-13 12:21:06 PM  
1 votes:

the money is in the banana stand: The cops committed premeditated murder.

And it wasn't just one cop. It had been planned in advance.

We're willing to assassinate US citizens using drones, and now we've apparently moved on to extrajudicial lynchings.

The shape of things to come?


/But the State of the Union Address was pretty cool

Who gives a fark if they killed him or used drones to kill some farkheads in Yemen? The world is better off without any of them.



I do. This is NOT the way that a rational, civilized nation that PRETENDS to live under the "Rule of Law" based on the Constitution conducts itself.

I do NOT want to see the US go down this road - and neither do you - but you're too muddle headed to see it.

Yet.
2013-02-13 12:08:24 PM  
1 votes:

SlothB77: Is 'burners' police slang for tear gas?  If so and the tear gas started the fire, then it very well could have been accidental.


They call them burners because they are known for setting fire to structures, they are multitaskers that can be used to flush someone out or used to burn down structures.
2013-02-13 12:05:46 PM  
1 votes:

the money is in the banana stand: Evilhippie: the money is in the banana stand:

Dorner killed and shot some cops. Dorner killed innocent people.

While the LAPD could have conducted itself better and most certainly there is corruption amongst the organization, to say that Dorner is remotely innocent or in some way a martyr is asinine. While hating cops is cool, you aren't seeming to get the fact that Dorner is no different than most modern day terrorists. You don't go around killing people as a means to effect change in a civilized society. Not only is he no better than those he condemns, he is in essence much much worse.

How is calling him a bad man the same as saying he's innocent or a martyr?

Your head, its up your arse.

The tone of your post implied that he wasn't a bad guy, but the LAPD were which was further highlighted by the rest of your post. You were marginalizing Dorner and downplaying his actions and saying that Dorner's accusations were validated by how the LAPD conducted themselves.


You are still just sniffing your own fecal matter. I called Dorner a bad man, and said the LEO's proved his point by shooting at innocents and ultimately murdering him.

I know nuance is hard to sniff out when you got your head up your arse... everything starts smelling like shiat.
2013-02-13 12:04:48 PM  
1 votes:
Is 'burners' police slang for tear gas?  If so and the tear gas started the fire, then it very well could have been accidental.
2013-02-13 12:04:00 PM  
1 votes:

Popcorn Johnny: One paniced officer on a radio saying to "burn the motherfarker down" is not proof that they torched the cabin. What do you think they did, ran up to the cabin with a Bic? Maybe they fired flaming arrows or tossed Molotov cocktails.



Trollin?

Listen to the audio from the police scanner - the "fun" begins at the 1:00 mark

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCdqybEfy9w&feature=youtu.be

Approximate transcript:

Cop 1: "We're going to go forward with - a - with the plan... with the burner."
Cop 2: "Copy"
Cop 1: "It's a... It's like we talked about"

[silence]

Cop 1: "The burner has been deployed and we have a fire"
Dispatcher: "Copy (seven?) burner has been deployed and we have a fire"

The cops committed premeditated murder.

And it wasn't just one cop. It had been planned in advance.

We're willing to assassinate US citizens using drones, and now we've apparently moved on to extrajudicial lynchings.

The shape of things to come?


/But the State of the Union Address was pretty cool
2013-02-13 11:42:11 AM  
1 votes:
i1066.photobucket.com
2013-02-13 11:41:55 AM  
1 votes:

leahruthie: Spartapuss: omeganuepsilon: They just held a press conference ( Saw on CNN) Still on...

"We know nothing new."

Thanks for taking the time to hold a press conference.

Still too hot for a body search?

too hot for a body search, body burned beyond recognition... but yet a wallet was found intact?

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/02/13/dorner-lapd-off ic er-fugitive-gunbattle/1915961/



The Miracle Wallet!

Why am I reminded of a certain, near-pristine PASSPORT that was found in the rubble of the Twin Towers after 911?

files.abovetopsecret.com

Also from your link:

"Police said Dorner, 33, had been holed up since Thursday in another cabin 20 to 30 yards from the site where news media gathered and received sheriff's briefings daily on the massive manhunt after his burned truck was found earlier that day."

LULZ!

This story keeps getting better and better.
2013-02-13 11:38:13 AM  
1 votes:

CowboyUpCowgirlDown: As for ignorance:  My IQ is 142


You realize nobody is going to take you serious in this thread now, right?
2013-02-13 11:38:09 AM  
1 votes:
Jesus Christ. Have I accidentally stumbled into Freeperville? You conspiracy nuts sound farking crazy. You have no idea the validity of that recording, but you're acting like it's completely valid. Just proves the fact that if you have enough hatred for a particular group, you can come up with ANYTHING to villainize them.
2013-02-13 11:36:16 AM  
1 votes:
The bastaige got what he desreved.  This idea that he desreved a day in court is for the birds.  He condemmed himself to death when he admitted to murder, taunted the victims and their families and threatened to kill even more civilians and police alike.  IMO Dorner isn't human he is an animal which needed to be put down and put down fast.

Congratulations to everyone involved in cornering this demented psychopath.
2013-02-13 11:35:31 AM  
1 votes:

omeganuepsilon: CowboyUpCowgirlDown: You don't need a "positive ID" to shoot back.

In an active firefight, yes.  Hours or days after the fact, you sure as shiat do.

Your problem is saying that your civil rights are unilaterally waived.  That is an absolute that is simply not true, or rather, misleading to the point of irrelevance.

Sure, the cops are allowed to defend themselves from imminent threat. When that threat is over, it's a new day.  They can't just can't randomly shoot at suspects, they need to positively ID them(or again come into a situation where they are under imminent threat), before they can open fire.

Why?

Innocent until proven guilty.

This is not to protect the guilty, it's to protect the innocent.  When you do not make a positive ID and simply guess, innocents get shot at.  This case is proof positive of that phenomenon.

Now, I can't tell if you're a troll or really just don't understand the concepts of the justice system or civics or personal rights, such as that to a fair trial and the ability for police to employ lethal force and it's restrictions.  But really, you sound extremely ignorant, please attempt to rectify that before trying to converse further.

Simple fact is.  Once that gun drops, or suspect is lost, the game resets.  No rights are waived permanently as you imply.


We are both relying on news reports, some of which are going to be wrong in a breaking news story.  Based on all the available information, what makes you believe this suspect dropped his gun or was "lost"?  They watched him run into a cabin, from which they received direct fire.  A few minutes later, he tried to run out of the cabin, and they returned fire, forcing him to return to the cabin.  This isn't like playing cops and robbers in your back yard:  there is no "reset" so long as they believe the suspect in the cabin is hell bent on shooting back.

As for ignorance:  My IQ is 142, I spent 30 years in law enforcement and I would bet I knew more cops who died of gunshot wounds than you've ever talked to in person.  Go be a pussy somewhere else.
2013-02-13 11:35:18 AM  
1 votes:
I dunno, I definitely sympathize with the guy for the stuff in his manifesto, but the way he went about this whole thing was just loony. Of all people why kill the daughter/fiance of the person who defended you after getting fired? Then it sounds like he did a bunch of dumb things(like staying in the area where they were searching and doing things to attract attention to himself) which led to getting cornered. Then it looks like he just gave up and either ate a bullet or burned to death.

Unless all this turns out to be a ruse...this guy went out in a blaze alright, but it definitely wasn't a blaze of glory.
2013-02-13 11:32:50 AM  
1 votes:
i14.photobucket.com
2013-02-13 11:31:06 AM  
1 votes:

zabadu: BraveNewCheneyWorld: qualtrough: The cops burned him for the same reason the US burned tens of thousands of men, women, and children at Hiroshima and Nagasaki. To save lives.

Bullshiat.  He was one man, he can't stay awake forever, they easily could have watched him with thermal imagers, waited for him to sleep, then drilled a small hole in the cabin, pumped it full of knock out gas, then taken their time to enter while checking for traps and apprehended him.

This was deliberate, vengeful murder on the part of the police.

All I can add is that someone watches way too many TV shows.  "Knock out gas"?  Seriously?  And wouldn't the drill have awakened him?


It's funny because you're clueless.   Here's knockout gas in practical use.
And during hostage situations, the police have speakers set up to play sound based on the desired result, so no, he wouldn't hear a small slow drill.

And if Dorner were white, none of you would give a shiat.

Um, traditionally people would claim the reverse.  I think you got your racism backwards.
2013-02-13 11:25:41 AM  
1 votes:

leahruthie: Spartapuss: omeganuepsilon: They just held a press conference ( Saw on CNN) Still on...

"We know nothing new."

Thanks for taking the time to hold a press conference.

Still too hot for a body search?

too hot for a body search, body burned beyond recognition... but yet a wallet was found intact?

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/02/13/dorner-lapd-off ic er-fugitive-gunbattle/1915961/


I don't want to get TOO gruesome in thinking about it, but a lot of that would depend on where the body was and the dynamics of the fire. Say you're laying on a concrete floor face up, you could be burned beyond recognition in the front, but still have your wallet in tact.
2013-02-13 11:24:31 AM  
1 votes:
Another Waco/Ruby Ridge
2013-02-13 10:58:09 AM  
1 votes:

BraveNewCheneyWorld: qualtrough: The cops burned him for the same reason the US burned tens of thousands of men, women, and children at Hiroshima and Nagasaki. To save lives.

Bullshiat.  He was one man, he can't stay awake forever, they easily could have watched him with thermal imagers, waited for him to sleep, then drilled a small hole in the cabin, pumped it full of knock out gas, then taken their time to enter while checking for traps and apprehended him.

This was deliberate, vengeful murder on the part of the police.


All I can add is that someone watches way too many TV shows.  "Knock out gas"?  Seriously?  And wouldn't the drill have awakened him?

Oh, by the way, I found a tiny skin cell on a path leading to an ice cream shop.  I've now solved the murder of a very prominent person, and I did it all in under an hour, using my super computer that's hooked to every single law enforcement database in the world.  With pictures.

And if Dorner were white, none of you would give a shiat.
2013-02-13 10:57:16 AM  
1 votes:
libranoelrose: "And did you know that a burner is just cop slang for tear gas? "

And "burn that farking house down" is slang for... call the negotiator?
2013-02-13 10:52:17 AM  
1 votes:
Instead of hundreds of cops this could have been done more cost effectivly with a single armed drone.
2013-02-13 10:48:05 AM  
1 votes:
Hot piss, just listened to all the audio. I wonder what the police are going to say, if anything, about it.
2013-02-13 10:46:25 AM  
1 votes:

Mid_mo_mad_man: You are exactly what's wrong with the USA. The cops he shot Tuesday would have arrested him without a hitch if he wanted that. Just because he's black doesn't make him a victim


You appear to be willing to accept that race is completely off the table here. You sir, are in denial. Aside from the fact that LAPD was literally terrorizing the local citizenry in what appears to be an all out rush to simply execute Dorner, there is a remaining fact that Dorner is in fact black. Perhaps, much blacker now, but we still don't yet know if he's dead yet, or what the LAPDs true motivation was. Until then, shut your pie-hole.
2013-02-13 10:41:29 AM  
1 votes:

machoprogrammer: Anyone else find this whole thing really suspicious? I mean, they sure went out of there way to look for the guy, when there are guys out there a hell of a lot worse who are running around wanted. Almost as if Dorner was telling the truth about the corruption


Oh no, the cops wanted to find someone who killed four people and was targeting relatives of cops he had problems with! THE HORROR.
2013-02-13 10:40:22 AM  
1 votes:

Giltric: BraveNewCheneyWorld: qualtrough: The cops burned him for the same reason the US burned tens of thousands of men, women, and children at Hiroshima and Nagasaki. To save lives.

Bullshiat.  He was one man, he can't stay awake forever, they easily could have watched him with thermal imagers, waited for him to sleep, then drilled a small hole in the cabin, pumped it full of knock out gas, then taken their time to enter while checking for traps and apprehended him.

This was deliberate, vengeful murder on the part of the police.

They didn;t know whether he had a hostage or not.....the Alabama hostage situation involved waiting it out for 5 days or so. Dorner was surrounded, the cabin was beseiged, the cops had plenty of time to wait it out like they do in almost every other situation.


There were also numerous reports that the cops surrounding the cabin injured each other in a friendly fire incident - which seems to have been picked up by some of the live coverage. One of the friendly fire shots likely resulted in the death of one officer.

Needless to say - safety or concern for procedure were not priorities.
2013-02-13 10:35:19 AM  
1 votes:

CowboyUpCowgirlDown: HindiDiscoMonster: Well... due process was nice while it lasted...

If you are shooting at cops when the attempt to arrest you, your right to due process is unilaterally waived.

You only get due process if you are compliant enough to be taken into custody.


False.

Outside of declared war-
If you are currently not an imminent threat to anyone, there is no legal recourse but to attempt to apprehend you alive, anything else is summary execution.

The police in this case have proved at least twice their policy is to shoot first and ask questions later, much to the public's outrage when it's not been Dorner at all, more so to the people who were fired upon, 2 females and a white straight couple who's vehicles were not a match, but a vague semblance of Dorner's.
(If heads don't roll over this alone, I won't be surprised if another Dorner pops up)

The situation is no different here.  No positive ID was ever made.  For all we know it could have been a hobo that busted into the cabin or a squatter that's been there for days but was currently passed out from booze or starvation.

The flaw all along is that enforcers of the law have used simple assumption born of irrational fear and not clear factual information.
2013-02-13 10:20:36 AM  
1 votes:

ZackDanger: MacWizard: I'm having one or two questions about this, which are based on the unconfirmed reports that Dorner tried to get out the back door and was pushed back in. If this is true, why didn't they just capture him at that moment?

All the reports seem to take the position that they're not entirely positive that Dorner was the one inside the cabin. If they didn't know for sure it was him, why would they push someone who might not be him back into a burning building?

This just doesn't make sense. Of course, this part of the story is kind of spotty anyway.

You don't "push someone back in" to a building who you are trying to apprehend. And realistically, say what you will, even the cops that "wanted him dead" know that their duty is to apprehend.

I think what is more likely is that Dorner tried to leave out the back, saw there were cops there giving him orders to lay on the ground, etc, and then Dorner turned around and went back inside.

If the plan was to kill him all along, why wouldn't they just shoot him when he came out the door?


I agree with your logic, but...

"At some point today, a suspect tried to get out the back door of the cabin, but he was pushed back inside, U.S. Marshals Service district chief Kurt Ellingson told CNN's Brian Todd."
2013-02-13 10:14:34 AM  
1 votes:

The Muthaship: I think comparing this to Waco is a fairly disgusting cheapening of the tragedy that happened there.  Regardless of who was actually in the cabin, that person killed a police officer.  The kids at Waco were actually innocent.


But who actually started the fire?

Nobody knows, or will ever know the truth.
2013-02-13 10:09:40 AM  
1 votes:

Coco LaFemme: I don't doubt for once second the LAPD is corrupt as hell. I think a lot of what he alleged in his manifesto has a basis in reality. That doesn't mean because he might have had a point, all the carnage he ravished upon the landscape should be forgiven. I don't feel sorry for him, and anyone who does has problems.


yeah but didn't you see V for Vendetta yo?
2013-02-13 10:08:13 AM  
1 votes:
15 hours later and not only will they not state if they do or don't have their man, I haven't even heard them confirm for sure that there IS a body in the cabin. Sometimes it's a "source" saying ti's for sure, sometimes it's "unconfirmed".
2013-02-13 10:08:04 AM  
1 votes:

qualtrough: The cops burned him for the same reason the US burned tens of thousands of men, women, and children at Hiroshima and Nagasaki. To save lives.



More likely for the same reason that Janet Reno and the ATF burned all of those people (including innocent children) alive at Waco: To send a message: Don't you DARE disrespect our AUTHORITAY!


media.brainz.org

/FTFY


/Learn your lesson, Citizens?
2013-02-13 10:06:12 AM  
1 votes:
Whatever happened to waiting until there was an actual story before writing about it?
2013-02-13 10:03:03 AM  
1 votes:

Hobodeluxe: Mid_mo_mad_man: He chose this! He never wanted his day in court. Could have walked into any law enforcement office and surrendered.

well for 5 years he tried to work within the system. all that got him was fired and blacklisted.
but yeah he could have turned himself in.
he could have just let it go, like all those before him


And thus begins the rewriting of history to create a new farklib legend.

The LATimes has a great timeline series of articles on this. If you were to read them you would see that you are wrong, but I think you already know you are.
2013-02-13 09:45:03 AM  
1 votes:

Kit Fister: I also have yet to see any proof that Dorner was anything but *accused* of killing the chick and her fiance. As far as death of cops go? I really have a very hard time giving a shiat.


So, to be clear...
If a human being is not wearing a badge, you care if they die.
As soon as a human is sworn in to serve the public you couldn't give a shiat if they were murdered while doing their job.

Dorner could have done any number of things to shame the LAPD without killing people. He seems to know at least a little bit about using the internet, and there's plenty of youtube channels out there with people filming cops.
2013-02-13 09:34:32 AM  
1 votes:
*Tis hot

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2013-02-13 09:13:33 AM  
1 votes:

The Muthaship:
The police don't have to be good for Dorner to be bad.  It's ok to be sickened by both.


^ so much THIS ^

1. Dorner is a despicable murderer, and news of his demise will be most welcomed.
2. The LAPD certainly has some 'splainin to do.

The two are separate thoughts.
2013-02-13 09:06:30 AM  
1 votes:
Mid_mo_mad_man:


Moron at large
2013-02-13 09:04:48 AM  
1 votes:
Why is everybody blaming the LAPD for the BBQ? This happened in San Bernandino, right?
Blame the right cops for the right corrupt actions.
IIRC, it was not LAPD that shot up the wrong pickup, either, but I'm not sure about that.
2013-02-13 09:04:24 AM  
1 votes:
Here is what I think happened:

Some annoying, a-hole cop (whom none of the other cops like) was screaming and carrying on about "burning the place down" all day. And all his buddies were like "Ron, relax... we can't just burn the place down. We have procedure and rules."

Then Dorner either set a fire, or Tear Gas canisters caused a fire, etc.

And all the cops were like "Oh great... Thanks a lot Ron. Now everyone is going to be convinced we did it on purpose."

Honestly... not sure how they could have deliberately set a fire. Police don't have any sort of incendiary rounds to purposely set fires with... Flash bangs and tear gas however can get extremely hot and ignite combustable materials.
2013-02-13 09:03:01 AM  
1 votes:

PoTBoT: SirVagTheTighty: PoTBoT: Mid_mo_mad_man: heili skrimsli: Mid_mo_mad_man: You are exactly what's wrong with the USA. The cops he shot Tuesday would have arrested him without a hitch if he wanted that. Just because he's black doesn't make him a victim

This has nothing to do with what color he is and everything to do with the fact that I still believe in a nation that exists under the rule of law in which every person is presumed innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt as judged by a jury of his or her peers.

I don't think that the police should have rules of engagement that are more permissive than those afforded to actual soldiers in combat as if the police are at war with the rest of the citizens. I think enacting a plan to burn a man alive is repugnant, cruel, unusual, and should be called murder, and I don't think that changes because of what that man is accused of doing.

That is not what is 'wrong' with America. There are places where such despotic and tyrannical actions are socially acceptable so long as the perpetrator of those actions wears a uniform, places like Somalia where there is no rule of law. Perhaps you should move to one of those societies more to your liking.

He shot first Tuesday. He took the law into own hands. The cops did not violate his rights. And yes the outrage has every thing to do with his skin color. Blacks in the USA think everyone is holding them back. They are the only ones causing thier troubles.

Perhaps sometime you will be accused and sentenced by someone who is not by law able or qualified. No jury of your peers, just a few cops. I will still care and fight for your rights under the constitution, even if its someone as ignorant as you.

I am sure the guy who killed multiple people for things that had nothing to do with them,
then fled and killed other police officers that weren't even members of the department he had a beef with,
then kidnapped two ladies who had fark all to do with any of this,
then attempted ...





He chose this! He never wanted his day in court. Could have walked into any law enforcement office and surrendered.
2013-02-13 08:59:48 AM  
1 votes:

PoTBoT: SirVagTheTighty: PoTBoT: Mid_mo_mad_man: heili skrimsli: Mid_mo_mad_man: You are exactly what's wrong with the USA. The cops he shot Tuesday would have arrested him without a hitch if he wanted that. Just because he's black doesn't make him a victim

This has nothing to do with what color he is and everything to do with the fact that I still believe in a nation that exists under the rule of law in which every person is presumed innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt as judged by a jury of his or her peers.

I don't think that the police should have rules of engagement that are more permissive than those afforded to actual soldiers in combat as if the police are at war with the rest of the citizens. I think enacting a plan to burn a man alive is repugnant, cruel, unusual, and should be called murder, and I don't think that changes because of what that man is accused of doing.

That is not what is 'wrong' with America. There are places where such despotic and tyrannical actions are socially acceptable so long as the perpetrator of those actions wears a uniform, places like Somalia where there is no rule of law. Perhaps you should move to one of those societies more to your liking.

He shot first Tuesday. He took the law into own hands. The cops did not violate his rights. And yes the outrage has every thing to do with his skin color. Blacks in the USA think everyone is holding them back. They are the only ones causing thier troubles.

Perhaps sometime you will be accused and sentenced by someone who is not by law able or qualified. No jury of your peers, just a few cops. I will still care and fight for your rights under the constitution, even if its someone as ignorant as you.

I am sure the guy who killed multiple people for things that had nothing to do with them,
then fled and killed other police officers that weren't even members of the department he had a beef with,
then kidnapped two ladies who had fark all to do with any of this,
then attempted ...


He could of had it vetted and verified by a jury of his peers whenever he wanted.  The two Hispanic women didn't deserve it and I don't see anyone here defending that.
2013-02-13 08:55:34 AM  
1 votes:

SirVagTheTighty: IamKaiserSoze!!!: USP .45: Bathsalt: Dorner made it abundantly clear that he wasn't going to be taken alive! He had no interest in due process or he would have chosen a different path and either surrendered (even after the fire started) or taken LAPD to court. He decided to take as many with him as he could .

so drunk and aggressive suspects who clearly are not interested in due process should just be shot.

If they threatened to kill people, killed people and were still trying to kill people, then yes.

Yes they should be put down quickly in any manner possible. He had his chances for due process and rejected them in favor of taking out more people.

Where was the handwringing for Jimmy Lee Sykes when they took him out last month? How was one POS different than the other?

And I doubt many tears would have been shed if Adam Lawton, Jared Laughner or James Holmes was taken out in the midst of their rampage.

Apparently the difference was those people weren't killing cops.  You all could have a little compassion for someone that goes to work every day knowing they may die to help you.  But apparently a lot of you have gotten a dui or a speeding ticket you didn't think you deserved so fark yea kill cops or something.


Police use lethal force until the threat of inbound lethal force stops. Dorner was cornered and wounded, and wasn't killed by an exchange of gunfire. What was the threat at the time that justified what was almost certainly going to take a life? What is the harm in a multi-day standoff?
2013-02-13 08:50:43 AM  
1 votes:
i.imgur.com
2013-02-13 08:44:51 AM  
1 votes:

USP .45: Bathsalt: Dorner made it abundantly clear that he wasn't going to be taken alive! He had no interest in due process or he would have chosen a different path and either surrendered (even after the fire started) or taken LAPD to court. He decided to take as many with him as he could .

so drunk and aggressive suspects who clearly are not interested in due process should just be shot.


If they threatened to kill people, killed people and were still trying to kill people, then yes.

Yes they should be put down quickly in any manner possible. He had his chances for due process and rejected them in favor of taking out more people.

Where was the handwringing for Jimmy Lee Sykes when they took him out last month? How was one POS different than the other?

And I doubt many tears would have been shed if Adam Lawton, Jared Laughner or James Holmes was taken out in the midst of their rampage.
2013-02-13 08:44:08 AM  
1 votes:
2.bp.blogspot.com
2013-02-13 08:42:30 AM  
1 votes:

The Southern Dandy: drjekel_mrhyde: tweek46420: The Shatner Incident: Does anyone think that law enforcement set the place on fire to kill him a la Waco?

/considering the state of LE, I don't doubt it.

they did....there is scanner audio that pretty much says burn the farker
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word is they found the body

It's clear here around :40 http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/02/12/1186730/-BREAKING-Burn-that- f -ker-down-say-cops

Of course, the LAPD ain't gonna pay out to anybody, so when they get sued for damages to the house, they'll deny this is them on the recording. Also, they won't pay the lady hostage the million dollar reward for her call to them.  Bet!


LAPD had nothing to do with it. San Bernadino County did.
2013-02-13 08:42:23 AM  
1 votes:
Almost 30 years later, and it seems like another Gordon Kahl incident, complete with manhunt and the suspect gets to DIAF of suspicious origin.

/nothing ever changes
2013-02-13 08:42:12 AM  
1 votes:

PoTBoT: Mid_mo_mad_man: heili skrimsli: Mid_mo_mad_man: You are exactly what's wrong with the USA. The cops he shot Tuesday would have arrested him without a hitch if he wanted that. Just because he's black doesn't make him a victim

This has nothing to do with what color he is and everything to do with the fact that I still believe in a nation that exists under the rule of law in which every person is presumed innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt as judged by a jury of his or her peers.

I don't think that the police should have rules of engagement that are more permissive than those afforded to actual soldiers in combat as if the police are at war with the rest of the citizens. I think enacting a plan to burn a man alive is repugnant, cruel, unusual, and should be called murder, and I don't think that changes because of what that man is accused of doing.

That is not what is 'wrong' with America. There are places where such despotic and tyrannical actions are socially acceptable so long as the perpetrator of those actions wears a uniform, places like Somalia where there is no rule of law. Perhaps you should move to one of those societies more to your liking.

He shot first Tuesday. He took the law into own hands. The cops did not violate his rights. And yes the outrage has every thing to do with his skin color. Blacks in the USA think everyone is holding them back. They are the only ones causing thier troubles.

Perhaps sometime you will be accused and sentenced by someone who is not by law able or qualified. No jury of your peers, just a few cops. I will still care and fight for your rights under the constitution, even if its someone as ignorant as you.


I am sure the guy who killed multiple people for things that had nothing to do with them,
then fled and killed other police officers that weren't even members of the department he had a beef with,
then kidnapped two ladies who had fark all to do with any of this,
then attempted to kill a god damn fish and wild life officer,
then did kill a police officer from yet another jurisdiction he had no beef with,
then choose to kill himself rather than turn himself in really appreciates you support.

Keep fighting the good fight.
2013-02-13 08:41:36 AM  
1 votes:

spidermann: if those remains aren't Dorner the LAPD just got one more black eye instead of one more black guy


Why? LAPD wasn't involved in anything you saw on TV last night. It wasn't even in their county. They were available at a nearby airport to supplement or relieve San Bernadino County SWAT, but were never called upon.
2013-02-13 08:40:47 AM  
1 votes:

Mid_mo_mad_man: Why is this trash considered a hero? Murdering people to make a statement is terrorism. He's no more a hero then the 9/11 hijackers. May he rot in hell and be raped by Satan.

/ LL Cool Jay should play him in the film


Kinda like the police just did?  Murdered a man to make the statement "you mess with us, there will be no trial, we'll just kill you"?
2013-02-13 08:36:13 AM  
1 votes:

Mid_mo_mad_man: heili skrimsli: Mid_mo_mad_man: You are exactly what's wrong with the USA. The cops he shot Tuesday would have arrested him without a hitch if he wanted that. Just because he's black doesn't make him a victim

This has nothing to do with what color he is and everything to do with the fact that I still believe in a nation that exists under the rule of law in which every person is presumed innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt as judged by a jury of his or her peers.

I don't think that the police should have rules of engagement that are more permissive than those afforded to actual soldiers in combat as if the police are at war with the rest of the citizens. I think enacting a plan to burn a man alive is repugnant, cruel, unusual, and should be called murder, and I don't think that changes because of what that man is accused of doing.

That is not what is 'wrong' with America. There are places where such despotic and tyrannical actions are socially acceptable so long as the perpetrator of those actions wears a uniform, places like Somalia where there is no rule of law. Perhaps you should move to one of those societies more to your liking.

He shot first Tuesday. He took the law into own hands. The cops did not violate his rights. And yes the outrage has every thing to do with his skin color. Blacks in the USA think everyone is holding them back. They are the only ones causing thier troubles.


Perhaps sometime you will be accused and sentenced by someone who is not by law able or qualified. No jury of your peers, just a few cops. I will still care and fight for your rights under the constitution, even if its someone as ignorant as you.
2013-02-13 08:31:36 AM  
1 votes:

USP .45: Bathsalt: Dorner made it abundantly clear that he wasn't going to be taken alive! He had no interest in due process or he would have chosen a different path and either surrendered (even after the fire started) or taken LAPD to court. He decided to take as many with him as he could .

so drunk and aggressive suspects who clearly are not interested in due process should just be shot.


If they are killing innocent people and can't be taken safely?  Hell yea
2013-02-13 08:29:33 AM  
1 votes:

dittybopper: BostonEMT: Bontesla: Also - was there official confirmation that Dorner was in that cabin before they set it on fire? As of last night - they believe there was a guy inside who looked like Dorner.

In unrelated news, family members state that LL Cool J has gone missing.

I heard he was going back to Cali.


I don't think so.
2013-02-13 08:29:27 AM  
1 votes:

PoTBoT: Mid_mo_mad_man: PoTBoT: Mid_Mo_Mad_man

You are what is wrong with America. Cops ARE NOT ABOVE THE LAW.

He chose to die. They were forced to kill him. He not the law men are the villains here. No one forced him to murder four people

Mid_mo_mad_man          Smartest Funniest   2013-02-13 08:16:11 AM   PoTBoT: Mid_Mo_Mad_man You are what is wrong with America. Cops ARE NOT ABOVE THE LAW. He chose to die. They were forced to kill him. He not the law men are the villains here. No one forced him to murder four people

You just don't get it do you? Civil servants abide by the law, they represent the law, they are not above the law. Your thinking is what is wrong, and is the very thing that is wrong with agencies like the LAPD because that is what they believe too. They can do whatever they want, and stupid people like you are their advocates.




Who shot first Tuesday? Only he forced this
2013-02-13 08:28:46 AM  
1 votes:

PoTBoT: Mid_mo_mad_man: PoTBoT: Mid_Mo_Mad_man

You are what is wrong with America. Cops ARE NOT ABOVE THE LAW.

He chose to die. They were forced to kill him. He not the law men are the villains here. No one forced him to murder four people

Mid_mo_mad_man          Smartest Funniest   2013-02-13 08:16:11 AM   PoTBoT: Mid_Mo_Mad_man You are what is wrong with America. Cops ARE NOT ABOVE THE LAW. He chose to die. They were forced to kill him. He not the law men are the villains here. No one forced him to murder four people

You just don't get it do you? Civil servants abide by the law, they represent the law, they are not above the law. Your thinking is what is wrong, and is the very thing that is wrong with agencies like the LAPD because that is what they believe too. They can do whatever they want, and stupid people like you are their advocates.


How many people would have been a fair number to have die in order to force him to surrender non-voluntarily?  The guy wanted death by cop, he was pretty clear on that, and he got it.  If he wanted a trial he had that right, and could of done so.  He didn't.
2013-02-13 08:28:26 AM  
1 votes:

MNguy: nekom: Does anybody have an article that confirms this business that the LAPD (why the fark were they even there, that's a good question) set the fire?  Difficulty:  NO infowars.  I mean an article from a credible news agency?

The scanner talk is pretty convincing.


Yeah, but that's VERY prone to be taken out of context. One little snippet among the thousands of transmissions by hundreds of law enforcement personnel doesn't alone convince me. And if burners are in fact slang for tear gas, they may have meant that as in try to gas him out. I know it's early and the details are still coming in, I'm just trying not to jump on the conspiracy bandwagon prematurely.
2013-02-13 08:26:17 AM  
1 votes:

heili skrimsli: Mid_mo_mad_man: You are exactly what's wrong with the USA. The cops he shot Tuesday would have arrested him without a hitch if he wanted that. Just because he's black doesn't make him a victim

This has nothing to do with what color he is and everything to do with the fact that I still believe in a nation that exists under the rule of law in which every person is presumed innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt as judged by a jury of his or her peers.

I don't think that the police should have rules of engagement that are more permissive than those afforded to actual soldiers in combat as if the police are at war with the rest of the citizens. I think enacting a plan to burn a man alive is repugnant, cruel, unusual, and should be called murder, and I don't think that changes because of what that man is accused of doing.

That is not what is 'wrong' with America. There are places where such despotic and tyrannical actions are socially acceptable so long as the perpetrator of those actions wears a uniform, places like Somalia where there is no rule of law. Perhaps you should move to one of those societies more to your liking.




He shot first Tuesday. He took the law into own hands. The cops did not violate his rights. And yes the outrage has every thing to do with his skin color. Blacks in the USA think everyone is holding them back. They are the only ones causing thier troubles.
2013-02-13 08:25:20 AM  
1 votes:

Mid_mo_mad_man: PoTBoT: Mid_Mo_Mad_man

You are what is wrong with America. Cops ARE NOT ABOVE THE LAW.

He chose to die. They were forced to kill him. He not the law men are the villains here. No one forced him to murder four people

Mid_mo_mad_man          Smartest Funniest   2013-02-13 08:16:11 AM   PoTBoT: Mid_Mo_Mad_man You are what is wrong with America. Cops ARE NOT ABOVE THE LAW. He chose to die. They were forced to kill him. He not the law men are the villains here. No one forced him to murder four people


You just don't get it do you? Civil servants abide by the law, they represent the law, they are not above the law. Your thinking is what is wrong, and is the very thing that is wrong with agencies like the LAPD because that is what they believe too. They can do whatever they want, and stupid people like you are their advocates.

2013-02-13 08:23:30 AM  
1 votes:
FTA: The home, ironically, is located near the Sheriff's outpost that was set up earlier this week as part of the search for him.

Dear writers, this is a coincidence, not ironic. Ironic would be if he was holed up IN the Sheriff's outpost.
2013-02-13 08:21:58 AM  
1 votes:

The Evil That Lies In The Hearts Of Men: Thankfully now that the manhunt is over the people of LA can get on with their lives without fear of harassment or violence from the LAPD.


Ha
2013-02-13 08:19:27 AM  
1 votes:

Mid_mo_mad_man: You are exactly what's wrong with the USA. The cops he shot Tuesday would have arrested him without a hitch if he wanted that. Just because he's black doesn't make him a victim


This has nothing to do with what color he is and everything to do with the fact that I still believe in a nation that exists under the rule of law in which every person is presumed innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt as judged by a jury of his or her peers.

I don't think that the police should have rules of engagement that are more permissive than those afforded to actual soldiers in combat as if the police are at war with the rest of the citizens. I think enacting a plan to burn a man alive is repugnant, cruel, unusual, and should be called murder, and I don't think that changes because of what that man is accused of doing.

That is not what is 'wrong' with America. There are places where such despotic and tyrannical actions are socially acceptable so long as the perpetrator of those actions wears a uniform, places like Somalia where there is no rule of law. Perhaps you should move to one of those societies more to your liking.
2013-02-13 08:17:43 AM  
1 votes:

Alonjar: He chose suicide over being burned.


Who wouldn't? I'd rather die quick than cook alive.
2013-02-13 08:16:58 AM  
1 votes:

tirob: way south:
I'm sure the party responsible for putting the state on lock down while destroying two trucks, a house, and damn near killing three people ...

No question in my mind that this part of the story should be gone over with a fine toothed comb, and that those responsible should have the book thrown at them.  I remain unconvinced that Dorner's claim itself should be the subject of any major inquiry, barring any evidence that the record of it was ever altered in any way.


It shouldn't be gone over necessarily because of his claim, but because this is the start of the story.
The narrative currently reads "Disgruntled former employee goes on rampage, targets coworkers".

Question one is: "Why did he become disgruntled?".
Yes, reviewing his claims would be apart of answering that.
2013-02-13 08:15:26 AM  
1 votes:

USP .45: If only we had like a gas that would make you very uncomfortable, teary eyed and disoriented, and it would flush you out of confined spaces. If we did have that sort of thing I'm sure they'd have at least tried it before burning everything.


Also, this gas would be a flammable aerosol.
2013-02-13 08:10:45 AM  
1 votes:

Jake Havechek: It tickles me when freepers cry for underage girl farker David Koresh.


The ATF is concerned with statutory rape?
2013-02-13 08:10:43 AM  
1 votes:

C18H27NO3: styckx: What he did was wrong.. What the cops did to kill him was worse..

"All right Steve we're gonna go...uh...we're gonna forward with the plan with the...with the burner"

"Copy"

"Want it..uh...liked we talked about"

"Burners deployed and we have a fire"

"Copy seven burners deployed and we have a a fire"

I was just listening to the audio and came back here to comment on exactly those same 5 lines but you've done it.
Hearing them sure makes it sound like they were being a little nefarious in their intentions.


I'm far from a defender of the police, but from the recording it sounds like they were attempting to flush him out "the four side." Rather than escape the burning building, he shot himself. I'd would call it a shiatty tactic, but it didn't sound terribly nefarious to me.
2013-02-13 08:06:55 AM  
1 votes:
My money says he died of a self-inflicted gunshot wound.  Eddie Murphy told me that black people don't die in fires.
2013-02-13 08:04:09 AM  
1 votes:

heili skrimsli: HindiDiscoMonster: Bontesla: tirob: phenn: Team Nemesis: Good job on killing that shiate bag.

/hope they made smores over that burning cabin

You're applauding murder, by the way.

Because without arrest, charges, conviction and punishment that is precisely what this is.

Depends on who killed Dorner and under what circumstances.  We don't know what happened yet.

At one point, someone with the US Marshals said Dorner tried exiting the back of the cabin but was pushed back inside.

if true, that is even more disturbing, and turns this into a confirmed execution.

I recall that from one of the feeds last night, although not who said it. There was definitely a reference made to the man they say was Dorner (and that had not been confirmed at the time) trying to get out the back and that he was pushed or driven back into the cabin.

Mid_mo_mad_man: Who gives a flying fark if he was set on fire? If you dance you have to play the fiddler. He could had easily given himself up at anytime. LAPD had nothing to gain killing him. I'm tired of farkers thinking white cops are persecuting black men. That shiat is not happening

I give a flying fark. This is supposed to be a nation in which we have the rule of law, where everybody, no matter what they are accused of has the right to due process. The police in California made it abundantly clear that Chris Dorner was never going to be taken alive by shooting at anything even resembling a pickup truck with a person in it. Then they figured out a nice, painful, gruesome way to kill him and after they'd gotten all the media helicopters out of the way, went ahead and exacted their revenge on someone in a cabin that they had admitted on the radio wasn't 100% confirmed to even be Dorner, much less that he had been convicted and sentenced in a court of law.

If anything they proved that they are exactly the corrupt, murderous thugs Dorner said they were. To paraphrase Chris Rock, if Dorner did kill the people they accuse him of killing, I ...




You are exactly what's wrong with the USA. The cops he shot Tuesday would have arrested him without a hitch if he wanted that. Just because he's black doesn't make him a victim
2013-02-13 08:03:25 AM  
1 votes:
When 1) the first words in the article are "Andy Smith says that despite earlier reports, Christopher Dorner's body has not been recovered from a burned out cabin where he was reportedly holed up during a deadly shootout with authorities earlier today. "

and

2) the same guy in an earlier submitted fark article "We can't get into the cabin yet because it's still too hot. So we don't know if it's him"

The conclusion is we don't know if he's dead yet since there's no guarantee he was there
2013-02-13 08:01:28 AM  
1 votes:
It tickles me when freepers cry for underage girl farker David Koresh.
2013-02-13 07:58:46 AM  
1 votes:

HindiDiscoMonster: Bontesla: tirob: phenn: Team Nemesis: Good job on killing that shiate bag.

/hope they made smores over that burning cabin

You're applauding murder, by the way.

Because without arrest, charges, conviction and punishment that is precisely what this is.

Depends on who killed Dorner and under what circumstances.  We don't know what happened yet.

At one point, someone with the US Marshals said Dorner tried exiting the back of the cabin but was pushed back inside.

if true, that is even more disturbing, and turns this into a confirmed execution.


I recall that from one of the feeds last night, although not who said it. There was definitely a reference made to the man they say was Dorner (and that had not been confirmed at the time) trying to get out the back and that he was pushed or driven back into the cabin.

Mid_mo_mad_man: Who gives a flying fark if he was set on fire? If you dance you have to play the fiddler. He could had easily given himself up at anytime. LAPD had nothing to gain killing him. I'm tired of farkers thinking white cops are persecuting black men. That shiat is not happening


I give a flying fark. This is supposed to be a nation in which we have the rule of law, where everybody, no matter what they are accused of has the right to due process. The police in California made it abundantly clear that Chris Dorner was never going to be taken alive by shooting at anything even resembling a pickup truck with a person in it. Then they figured out a nice, painful, gruesome way to kill him and after they'd gotten all the media helicopters out of the way, went ahead and exacted their revenge on someone in a cabin that they had admitted on the radio wasn't 100% confirmed to even be Dorner, much less that he had been convicted and sentenced in a court of law.

If anything they proved that they are exactly the corrupt, murderous thugs Dorner said they were. To paraphrase Chris Rock, if Dorner did kill the people they accuse him of killing, I'm not going to go so far as to say that was justified ... but I certainly understand why he did it.
2013-02-13 07:58:23 AM  
1 votes:
Damn, they fired him twice.
2013-02-13 07:52:35 AM  
1 votes:
Yeah, it just caught fire by accident. Ill just wait around for the "evidence" that says they didn't. It's pretty convenient to get rid of the media because of "safety" when in fact their tactic is to absolve themselves by lack of evidence, and the only witnesses are part of the "brotherhood" of murderous corrupt pieces of sh*t. Perhaps the victims of attempted murder by the LAPD and other agencies will stand up for them. I don't think so.
2013-02-13 07:45:31 AM  
1 votes:

Bontesla: HindiDiscoMonster: Bontesla: tirob: phenn: Team Nemesis: Good job on killing that shiate bag.

/hope they made smores over that burning cabin

You're applauding murder, by the way.

Because without arrest, charges, conviction and punishment that is precisely what this is.

Depends on who killed Dorner and under what circumstances.  We don't know what happened yet.

At one point, someone with the US Marshals said Dorner tried exiting the back of the cabin but was pushed back inside.

if true, that is even more disturbing, and turns this into a confirmed execution.

It was reported by CNN around 9ish. So, we know the source isn't reliable.




Who gives a flying fark if he was set on fire? If you dance you have to play the fiddler. He could had easily given himself up at anytime. LAPD had nothing to gain killing him. I'm tired of farkers thinking white cops are persecuting black men. That shiat is not happening
2013-02-13 07:40:47 AM  
1 votes:

libranoelrose: And did you know that a burner is just cop slang for tear gas?

It has to be true, someone posted it in TFD.


And yet the cops never accept my explanation that "I'm going to blow your motherfucjing head off" is slang for "Good day, officer, what a lovely shiny badge you have on"

Strange world.
2013-02-13 07:34:27 AM  
1 votes:
I don't know much about this case but reading this thread, it sounds like you can take any of the "evidence" and fit it into your preconceived notions.
2013-02-13 07:34:02 AM  
1 votes:

Bontesla: tirob: phenn: Team Nemesis: Good job on killing that shiate bag.

At one point, someone withthe US Marshals said Dorner tried exiting the back of the cabin but was pushed
back inside.


Did the person hear this from jenny's boyfriend's cousin's US Marshall friend at 31 flavors?
2013-02-13 07:31:20 AM  
1 votes:

MmmmBacon: Bartleby the Scrivener: MmmmBacon

I hear your points, but the stakes changed and context developed when he shot at two SB officers leading up to the event, killing one. This wasnt a dykes situation or a waco situation where there was time to negotiate. He had killed civilians before and had new hostages whom he may have killed, forcing the issue with these actions.

I have no doubt that many in lapd wanted this dude dead and that shoot first and ask questions later was at the fore. That this is likely does not negate the fact that he opened fire and took hostages. He knew this and exploited it. He basically communicated "told ya so, told ya so...neener neener neener."

Two SB sheriffs deputies were indeed shot, allegedly by Dorner. This has yet to be confirmed, although I expect it will be found to be true. That still does not mean the other officers on-scene should have been in such a rush to kill him, as that only moreso make it look like they were taking revenge for their fallen brethren. The FBI needed to step in and calm the situation down, and work towards a peaceful resolution. The cabin was most assuredly surrounded by every available cop within 50 miles, so whoever was in the cabin wasn't going anywhere.

The police failed in this manhunt on multiple levels, culminating in the death of their suspect in a burning cabin in the woods. Had a professional negotiator from the FBI been brought in to deal with the situation, leaving the police and sheriffs to man the perimeter only, things might have been solved peacefully. But we'll never know now, and the police will continue to be marred by the death of Dorner.

To many, they have made him a Folk Hero for ptiy's sake, which is stupid as hell, but for those people who already hate the police, Dorner is a martyr. A man who fought the LAPD to clear his name, and died in the process. Dorner should have had his day in court, been tried for his alleged crimes, and likely convicted for them.


Large amounts of this.

Once they had him cornered in the cabin, all they had to do was wait.  Seal the perimeter, keep everyone at a safe distance, and just see if you can get him out.

Now, it's entirely possible that to many in the Black community, Dorner is going to be a martyr.
2013-02-13 07:23:34 AM  
1 votes:

Bartleby the Scrivener: MmmmBacon

I hear your points, but the stakes changed and context developed when he shot at two SB officers leading up to the event, killing one. This wasnt a dykes situation or a waco situation where there was time to negotiate. He had killed civilians before and had new hostages whom he may have killed, forcing the issue with these actions.

I have no doubt that many in lapd wanted this dude dead and that shoot first and ask questions later was at the fore. That this is likely does not negate the fact that he opened fire and took hostages. He knew this and exploited it. He basically communicated "told ya so, told ya so...neener neener neener."


Two SB sheriffs deputies were indeed shot, allegedly by Dorner. This has yet to be confirmed, although I expect it will be found to be true. That still does not mean the other officers on-scene should have been in such a rush to kill him, as that only moreso make it look like they were taking revenge for their fallen brethren. The FBI needed to step in and calm the situation down, and work towards a peaceful resolution. The cabin was most assuredly surrounded by every available cop within 50 miles, so whoever was in the cabin wasn't going anywhere.

The police failed in this manhunt on multiple levels, culminating in the death of their suspect in a burning cabin in the woods. Had a professional negotiator from the FBI been brought in to deal with the situation, leaving the police and sheriffs to man the perimeter only, things might have been solved peacefully. But we'll never know now, and the police will continue to be marred by the death of Dorner.

To many, they have made him a Folk Hero for ptiy's sake, which is stupid as hell, but for those people who already hate the police, Dorner is a martyr. A man who fought the LAPD to clear his name, and died in the process. Dorner should have had his day in court, been tried for his alleged crimes, and likely convicted for them.
2013-02-13 07:21:13 AM  
1 votes:
We should totally ban private ownership of firearms. We can trust the police to protect us, clearly.
2013-02-13 07:02:52 AM  
1 votes:
Also - was there official confirmation that Dorner was in that cabin before they set it on fire? As of last night - they believe there was a guy inside who looked like Dorner.
2013-02-13 06:52:34 AM  
1 votes:
So they've officially recovered a body?
Not to be mistaken with the time they claimed that a body has been recovered but then later said the cabin was too hot to enter.
2013-02-13 06:50:32 AM  
1 votes:

Team Nemesis: Good job on killing that shiate bag.

/hope they made smores over that burning cabin


You're applauding murder, by the way.

Because without arrest, charges, conviction and punishment that is precisely what this is.
2013-02-13 06:49:05 AM  
1 votes:
or if he dialed 411
2013-02-13 06:48:01 AM  
1 votes:
This could have been prevented if Charlie Sheen gave him his number.
2013-02-13 06:46:30 AM  
1 votes:

tirob: way south: tirob: Seems as if Dorner's wrongful dismissal claim is moot now, doesn't it?

Human remains found in the cabin:

http://news.msn.com/us/ex-cop-exchanges-fire-with-authorities?gt1=51 50 1

They should be forced to investigate it, and these shootings as well. 

/If you let the cops write off trials and reviews just because the suspect died, You'll only end up with more dead suspects.

If by "these shootings" you mean the shootings by the cops of the women who were delivering newspapers, I agree with you absolutely.  The cops who did that ought to be fired and put on trial.  I wouldn't bother with the late Mr. Dorner's wrongful dismissal claim, though.  He had a chance to pursue a civil action against the LAPD; he didn't bother.




They thought it was worth reviewing when they were using it to smoke him out.
In the aftermath of him being smoked out, I see no reason for the review to stop.
Step by step, they should be forced to explain every angle of this bullshiat.
From the day they hired him till the final shot, account for the entire mess.

/with a conflagration of this size and complexity, you'd think "review ALL THE FILES!" Would be the order of the day.
2013-02-13 06:43:39 AM  
1 votes:

tirob: way south: tirob: Seems as if Dorner's wrongful dismissal claim is moot now, doesn't it?

Human remains found in the cabin:

http://news.msn.com/us/ex-cop-exchanges-fire-with-authorities?gt1=51 50 1

They should be forced to investigate it, and these shootings as well. 

/If you let the cops write off trials and reviews just because the suspect died, You'll only end up with more dead suspects.

If by "these shootings" you mean the shootings by the cops of the women who were delivering newspapers, I agree with you absolutely.  The cops who did that ought to be fired and put on trial.  I wouldn't bother with the late Mr. Dorner's wrongful dismissal claim, though.  He had a chance to pursue a civil action against the LAPD; he didn't bother.


...as should the cops that beat the fark out of Rodney King - but thats part of Dorner's rant, though.... Also, civil actions only appeal to those with money. I don't know if he had money (I'm guessing he had enough to buy weapons), but what had he been doing for the past 3+ years??

\What SHOULD happen and what DOES happen usually only favors those that Make or Enforce the laws... go figure.
\\Haven't been following too much beyond the headlines...
2013-02-13 06:37:31 AM  
1 votes:

cman: Bartleby the Scrivener: Dorner wasnt going to surrender, and no length or amount of negotiation would have resulted in his peaceful resignation. Dykes was taken out after 6 days. What makes anyone think dorner would go differently?

From one perspective this could be an extreme example of suicide by cop. He wrote his letter and said his goodbyes. He forced a larger hand than any due process could grasp.

Shhhh! Quiet you!

You are speaking against someone's preconceived beliefs. No matter what you say you aint changing their mind.


Ive changed at least 3 internet minds since 1996 ill have you know!

In evaluating my beliefs and the facts of this case, ive concluded the following. I believe there is corruption in the lapd and i also believe in due process for alleged criminals as a fundamental right. Typically, when emotions are as high as they were, it usually results in removal of a person who cannot be objective, distanced and rational enough to act accordingly, but in this case it was the entire lapd and related jurisdictions. No doubt there will at least be superficial investigation into procedures as deployed in response to the actions leading up to the incident. Yet, dorners whole MO was to get the police to act the way he believed them to be, trolling them to blow up against procedure. He wanted to go out in a blaze as a martyr for the cause, and having them killl him, right or wrong, more than likely concretized this in his mind. His moral justification for his behavior was larger than the those on paper, either the bible or the constitution, and he was willing to die for that cause...but he wasnt going to do it like a buddhist monk. He had to make a point.
2013-02-13 06:32:18 AM  
1 votes:

cman: Mid_mo_mad_man: Why is this trash considered a hero? Murdering people to make a statement is terrorism. He's no more a hero then the 9/11 hijackers. May he rot in hell and be raped by Satan.

/ LL Cool Jay should play him in the film

I dont think anyone sees him as a hero.


Just the people the LAPD completely farked over and ruined their lives just to (try) to prove their badassery. How many people could that possibly be?

/If we ALL are held to guilt by association, then there are no 'good' cops.
2013-02-13 06:24:45 AM  
1 votes:

cman: Bartleby the Scrivener: Dorner wasnt going to surrender, and no length or amount of negotiation would have resulted in his peaceful resignation. Dykes was taken out after 6 days. What makes anyone think dorner would go differently?

From one perspective this could be an extreme example of suicide by cop. He wrote his letter and said his goodbyes. He forced a larger hand than any due process could grasp.

Shhhh! Quiet you!

You are speaking against someone's preconceived beliefs. No matter what you say you aint changing their mind.


Cops had a legit time problem too.  They couldn't confirm he was in there supposedly.  If they waited this out for a week and a half then what?  You either go in and another cop or two dies or you find out it is empty and the guy pops up in florida and takes pop shots at more fish and game officers etc?  They were right to get this shiat resolved.  He could of turned himself in at any time.  For all you 'well they would have killed him anyway you look at it' people, how about he gets a lawyer and negotiates his surrender instead of kidnapping innocent ladies and then killing an officer for a department that had nothing to do with this entire thing?  Hell I'm sure if he showed up at any news station and asked them to help him they would of had an orgasm.
2013-02-13 06:22:45 AM  
1 votes:

cman: HaywoodJablonski: I get that the guy's name is Forner and he's burnt like a kebab, but I don't see how this is a pun. Care to enlighten me?

http://I can tell you have never been out of the United States.


WOW Fark, how did you screw that up?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doner_kebab
2013-02-13 06:13:25 AM  
1 votes:
Dorner wasnt going to surrender, and no length or amount of negotiation would have resulted in his peaceful resignation. Dykes was taken out after 6 days. What makes anyone think dorner would go differently?

From one perspective this could be an extreme example of suicide by cop. He wrote his letter and said his goodbyes. He forced a larger hand than any due process could grasp.
2013-02-13 05:58:21 AM  
1 votes:

IronOcelot: hinten: Direct quote from the police scanner feed: "We are going to go forward with the plan to burn."

Who knew that the police falls back on strategies optimized in the Middle Ages. Who is going to do an analysis of all the scandals that accured over the last couple of days?

You know the answer.  No one.

They'll hem and haw until the next season of America's Honey Boo Boo Baby's Daddy Got Talent comes on and every one forgets.


^^^^^^^^^^ This.  Fk our national media, and fk us.
2013-02-13 05:52:46 AM  
1 votes:

Kenny B: [i364.photobucket.com image 299x156]


hope you feel that way about everyone the LAPD murders.

/you do know the meaning of "suspect" don't you?
2013-02-13 05:52:09 AM  
1 votes:

ExperianScaresCthulhu: This blows.  Looks like the bad guys win in real life again.


Problem is, there were no good guys in this story.
2013-02-13 05:50:15 AM  
1 votes:

TheWarp: cman: Mid_mo_mad_man: Why is this trash considered a hero? Murdering people to make a statement is terrorism. He's no more a hero then the 9/11 hijackers. May he rot in hell and be raped by Satan.

/ LL Cool Jay should play him in the film

I dont think anyone sees him as a hero.

The police certainly aren't fitting the role either.




The LAPD are not in the wrong here. He chose to go down the path he took. Could have worked within the system if he thought wrongs were being commited
2013-02-13 05:43:54 AM  
1 votes:

tirob: Seems as if Dorner's wrongful dismissal claim is moot now, doesn't it?

Human remains found in the cabin:

http://news.msn.com/us/ex-cop-exchanges-fire-with-authorities?gt1=51 50 1


They should be forced to investigate it, and these shootings as well. 

/If you let the cops write off trials and reviews just because the suspect died, You'll only end up with more dead suspects.
2013-02-13 05:43:16 AM  
1 votes:
This blows.  Looks like the bad guys win in real life again.
2013-02-13 05:39:33 AM  
1 votes:
Seems as if Dorner's wrongful dismissal claim is moot now, doesn't it?

Human remains found in the cabin:

http://news.msn.com/us/ex-cop-exchanges-fire-with-authorities?gt1=51 50 1
2013-02-13 05:20:50 AM  
1 votes:

way south: So they think dorner is kebab.
Has LAPD removed kebab yet?

/Too much time spent on /k/...


static.guim.co.uk
2013-02-13 05:17:32 AM  
1 votes:

Tony_Pepperoni: friedlinx: AverageAmericanGuy: You almost want to root for Dorner to come out of this unscathed just to put his thumb in the LAPD's eye.

^THIS^

^THAT^


^THOSE^
2013-02-13 05:14:05 AM  
1 votes:

styckx: The Shatner Incident: Does anyone think that law enforcement set the place on fire to kill him a la Waco?

/considering the state of LE, I don't doubt it.

Anyone listening to the police scanner heard it and there are numerous recordings (I just posted a transcript of part of it) of it posted eveywhere of one of the cops directing them to burn the farker down..


Yup more than one officer says more than once burn the (2 sylable bleeped word) inthe recordings. Not sure whether they said farker or ni-bong or both since it was multilpe persons multiple times.
2013-02-13 05:12:54 AM  
1 votes:

hinten: Direct quote from the police scanner feed: "We are going to go forward with the plan to burn."

Who knew that the police falls back on strategies optimized in the Middle Ages. Who is going to do an analysis of all the scandals that accured over the last couple of days?


You know the answer.  No one.

They'll hem and haw until the next season of America's Honey Boo Boo Baby's Daddy Got Talent comes on and every one forgets.
2013-02-13 05:10:09 AM  
1 votes:
Direct quote from the police scanner feed: "We are going to go forward with the plan to burn."

Who knew that the police falls back on strategies optimized in the Middle Ages. Who is going to do an analysis of all the scandals that accured over the last couple of days?
2013-02-13 05:07:06 AM  
1 votes:

sithon: geeze ,the cops sure go nuts when they're the victims. I wish they were that energetic when an average citizen was murdered .


This.
2013-02-13 05:06:11 AM  
1 votes:
Did anyone honestly expect anything different to happen?
It wasn't just that he was shooting and killing cops. He killed a cop's daughter with her fiance in her car from ambush. No wonder the entire LAPD and surrounding areas law went apeshiat

He could have drove up to the White House with a full press crew, stripped himself naked then handcuffed himself and they would have "found" him dead after "resisting" arrest.
2013-02-13 04:51:20 AM  
1 votes:

Big Ramifications: being covered up?


Criminal behavior being SOP in the LAPD?
2013-02-13 04:48:55 AM  
1 votes:

AverageAmericanGuy: publikenemy: AverageAmericanGuy: You almost want to root for Dorner to come out of this unscathed just to put his thumb in the LAPD's eye.


Also it would be awesome to put a thumb in the eye of the wives, children, grandchildren, friends, and relatives of the INNOCENT people he assassinated right?...cuz you know....Fark them

I'm sure you meant 'murdered' and not 'assassinated'.

Let me phrase my opinion in the form of a quote from a wise man.

Tragedy is when i stub my toe.
Comedy is when you fall into a manhole and die.
  - Mel Brooks


No, I mean as·sas·si·nate ( -s s -n t ). tr.v. as·sas·si·nat·ed, as·sas·si·nat·ing, as·sas·si·nates. 1. To murder (a prominent person) by surprise attack, as for political reasons.

Sounds like an assassination to me bruh...maybe they weren't prominent, but they were to him. He's a fokkn coward. Kids are crying for their dead fathers this morning.

/wait, lemme stick my thumb in their crying eyes
2013-02-13 04:46:31 AM  
1 votes:
2013-02-13 04:43:05 AM  
1 votes:
if those remains aren't Dorner the LAPD just got one more black eye instead of one more black guy
2013-02-13 04:42:50 AM  
1 votes:
www.greatnorthernprepper.com

tweek46420: word is they found the body


25.media.tumblr.com
2013-02-13 04:38:22 AM  
1 votes:
As long as they're crooked/racist cops out there he'll be back. A modern day superhero.
2013-02-13 04:38:07 AM  
1 votes:

AverageAmericanGuy: You almost want to root for Dorner to come out of this unscathed just to put his thumb in the LAPD's eye.



Also it would be awesome to put a thumb in the eye of the wives, children, grandchildren, friends, and relatives of the INNOCENT people he assassinated right?...cuz you know....Fark them
2013-02-13 04:36:17 AM  
1 votes:

AverageAmericanGuy: You almost want to root for Dorner to come out of this unscathed just to put his thumb in the LAPD's eye.


^THIS^
2013-02-13 04:31:33 AM  
1 votes:
I guess they decided a Hellfire missile was too obvious.
2013-02-13 04:28:27 AM  
1 votes:

salsashark1: Hero.

Pure and simple.


Mad dog.  Simple.  Doesn't make the pack that took him down any less rabid.
2013-02-13 04:23:02 AM  
1 votes:
Hero.

Pure and simple.
2013-02-13 04:20:49 AM  
1 votes:
Crisp Dorner, you say?
2013-02-13 04:20:31 AM  
1 votes:

reggaejunkiejew: the cabin caught fire "accidentally from a flash grenade". What a bunch of Baloney.


Alternate theory...

i293.photobucket.com
2013-02-13 04:20:27 AM  
1 votes:

drjekel_mrhyde: tweek46420: The Shatner Incident: Does anyone think that law enforcement set the place on fire to kill him a la Waco?

/considering the state of LE, I don't doubt it.

they did....there is scanner audio that pretty much says burn the farker
[www.greatnorthernprepper.com image 500x376]
word is they found the body

It's clear here around :40 http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/02/12/1186730/-BREAKING-Burn-that- f -ker-down-say-cops


Of course, the LAPD ain't gonna pay out to anybody, so when they get sued for damages to the house, they'll deny this is them on the recording. Also, they won't pay the lady hostage the million dollar reward for her call to them.  Bet!
2013-02-13 04:19:10 AM  
1 votes:
The body is a plant. He had it in there already, and that's why he went there, so he could "die".

Where'd he get the body? Easy. You can get a body anywhere. I can get you a body.


image.guardian.co.uk
2013-02-13 04:19:09 AM  
1 votes:
Brought it on himself.
2013-02-13 04:10:48 AM  
1 votes:

The Shatner Incident: Does anyone think that law enforcement set the place on fire to kill him a la Waco?

/considering the state of LE, I don't doubt it.


For the next version of Grand Theft Auto, after your wanted level goes to six stars, the next level is a burning building.
2013-02-13 02:18:59 AM  
1 votes:
So, Burning Man is at Big Bear this year?
2013-02-13 12:24:14 AM  
1 votes:

doyner: make me some tea: doyner: daRog: cretinbob: It's kebab

cretinbob, meet doyner.

doyner; cretinbob

Everybody's a critic...

Pleased to meet you.

It can be spelled multiple ways, depending on which country.

I've seen it spelled

kebab
kebob
kabab
kabob

Or cretinbab


cretinbab does not sound good to eat. Do you know what they make cretins out of?
2013-02-13 12:19:33 AM  
1 votes:

One Bad Apple: doyner: One Bad Apple: basemetal: Could have given him s'mores time.

That is a 3rd degree pun at best

After 6 days on the run he's probably pretty ashy by now.

He did urn that death sentence


This is a bad joke, and you should feel bad.
2013-02-13 12:17:03 AM  
1 votes:

doyner: daRog: cretinbob: It's kebab

cretinbob, meet doyner.

doyner; cretinbob

Everybody's a critic...

Pleased to meet you.


It can be spelled multiple ways, depending on which country.

I've seen it spelled

kebab
kebob
kabab
kabob
2013-02-12 11:54:30 PM  
1 votes:
images.wolfgangsvault.com

He's still alive.

OOOoooooh he's still alive...
2013-02-12 11:33:08 PM  
1 votes:

daRog: cretinbob: It's kebab

cretinbob, meet doyner.

doyner; cretinbob


Everybody's a critic...

Pleased to meet you.
2013-02-12 11:31:01 PM  
1 votes:

cretinbob: It's kebab


cretinbob, meet doyner.

doyner; cretinbob
2013-02-12 11:26:44 PM  
1 votes:
God DAMN headline is awesome!


What the fark is wrong with Fark? Either the headlines are shiatty and snarkless or the headlines are pure brilliance. There seems to be no more inbetween space
2013-02-12 11:09:56 PM  
1 votes:
Amazing how much bullshiat information gets spread around.
2013-02-12 10:50:58 PM  
1 votes:
i364.photobucket.com
2013-02-12 10:41:37 PM  
1 votes:
This will be a stolen headline joke for sure.  So wrong.. yet nailed it.  +1
2013-02-12 10:41:17 PM  
1 votes:
He isn't dead.

i49.tinypic.com
 
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