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2013-02-12 10:24:08 PM
That's just wrong wrong wrong wrong and wrong...
+1
 
2013-02-12 10:26:20 PM
Please go green.....
 
2013-02-12 10:30:29 PM
goodbye chocolate rambo man.
 
2013-02-12 10:30:33 PM
I'm voting this one, even if it should really be kebap
 
2013-02-12 10:36:59 PM
geeze ,the cops sure go nuts when they're the victims. I wish they were that energetic when an average citizen was murdered .
 
2013-02-12 10:39:31 PM
We all knew there was no way he'd be taken alive.
 
2013-02-12 10:39:48 PM
Did anyone ever really suspect that he's see a courtroom?
 
2013-02-12 10:40:33 PM

sithon: geeze ,the cops sure go nuts when they're the victims. I wish they were that energetic when an average citizen was murdered .


This whole thing has been off.  There's no reason to believe they're telling the truth about any of this, the response doesn't come close to matching it.
 
2013-02-12 10:41:17 PM
He isn't dead.

i49.tinypic.com
 
2013-02-12 10:41:37 PM
This will be a stolen headline joke for sure.  So wrong.. yet nailed it.  +1
 
2013-02-12 10:50:58 PM
i364.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-12 11:03:23 PM
Could have given him s'mores time.
 
2013-02-12 11:06:47 PM
LAPD Press conference saying the body has NOT been identified or even located at this time.
 
2013-02-12 11:06:53 PM

basemetal: Could have given him s'mores time.


Time to notify the next of kindling.
 
2013-02-12 11:08:21 PM
Cabin has not even been entered yet.
 
2013-02-12 11:09:56 PM
Amazing how much bullshiat information gets spread around.
 
2013-02-12 11:11:48 PM

basemetal: Could have given him s'mores time.


That is a 3rd degree pun at best
 
2013-02-12 11:13:44 PM

One Bad Apple: basemetal: Could have given him s'mores time.

That is a 3rd degree pun at best


After 6 days on the run he's probably pretty ashy by now.
 
2013-02-12 11:15:58 PM

me texan: This will be a stolen headline joke for sure.  So wrong.. yet nailed it.  +1


I just kept picturing him in a cabin, with 3 bears tied up to chairs, while he tried out their porridge and beds.
 
2013-02-12 11:17:28 PM

doyner: One Bad Apple: basemetal: Could have given him s'mores time.

That is a 3rd degree pun at best

After 6 days on the run he's probably pretty ashy by now.


He did urn that death sentence
 
2013-02-12 11:19:20 PM

One Bad Apple: doyner: One Bad Apple: basemetal: Could have given him s'mores time.

That is a 3rd degree pun at best

After 6 days on the run he's probably pretty ashy by now.

He did urn that death sentence


Well, it IS ash Wednesday tomorrow.
 
2013-02-12 11:19:28 PM
It's kebab
 
2013-02-12 11:26:18 PM
i49.tinypic.com
 
2013-02-12 11:26:44 PM
God DAMN headline is awesome!


What the fark is wrong with Fark? Either the headlines are shiatty and snarkless or the headlines are pure brilliance. There seems to be no more inbetween space
 
2013-02-12 11:28:36 PM
Well played, subs. You had my upvote.
 
2013-02-12 11:31:01 PM

cretinbob: It's kebab


cretinbob, meet doyner.

doyner; cretinbob
 
2013-02-12 11:33:08 PM

daRog: cretinbob: It's kebab

cretinbob, meet doyner.

doyner; cretinbob


Everybody's a critic...

Pleased to meet you.
 
2013-02-12 11:37:53 PM
He's a real bad ash.
 
2013-02-12 11:47:18 PM
he's alive mofo's
 
2013-02-12 11:54:30 PM
images.wolfgangsvault.com

He's still alive.

OOOoooooh he's still alive...
 
2013-02-13 12:11:55 AM
Yeah, this one will do for now.
 
2013-02-13 12:16:31 AM
i287.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-13 12:17:03 AM

doyner: daRog: cretinbob: It's kebab

cretinbob, meet doyner.

doyner; cretinbob

Everybody's a critic...

Pleased to meet you.


It can be spelled multiple ways, depending on which country.

I've seen it spelled

kebab
kebob
kabab
kabob
 
2013-02-13 12:19:09 AM

make me some tea: doyner: daRog: cretinbob: It's kebab

cretinbob, meet doyner.

doyner; cretinbob

Everybody's a critic...

Pleased to meet you.

It can be spelled multiple ways, depending on which country.

I've seen it spelled

kebab
kebob
kabab
kabob


Or cretinbab
 
2013-02-13 12:19:33 AM

One Bad Apple: doyner: One Bad Apple: basemetal: Could have given him s'mores time.

That is a 3rd degree pun at best

After 6 days on the run he's probably pretty ashy by now.

He did urn that death sentence


This is a bad joke, and you should feel bad.
 
2013-02-13 12:24:14 AM

doyner: make me some tea: doyner: daRog: cretinbob: It's kebab

cretinbob, meet doyner.

doyner; cretinbob

Everybody's a critic...

Pleased to meet you.

It can be spelled multiple ways, depending on which country.

I've seen it spelled

kebab
kebob
kabab
kabob

Or cretinbab


cretinbab does not sound good to eat. Do you know what they make cretins out of?
 
2013-02-13 12:31:44 AM

libranoelrose:


This is a bad joke, and you should feel bad.


Dude you suck at puns.
 
2013-02-13 12:33:11 AM

make me some tea: cretinbab does not sound good to eat. Do you know what they make cretins out of?


Tin. Duh.
 
2013-02-13 01:37:36 AM
This far in and no Trailer park boys refs ? you guys need to watch more Canadian tv
 
2013-02-13 02:18:59 AM
So, Burning Man is at Big Bear this year?
 
2013-02-13 03:06:02 AM
If that wasn't a black dude cornered in the cabin, well, he is now.
 
2013-02-13 04:02:26 AM
What he did was wrong.. What the cops did to kill him was worse..

"All right Steve we're gonna go...uh...we're gonna forward with the plan with the...with the burner"

"Copy"

"Want it..uh...liked we talked about"

"Burners deployed and we have a fire"

"Copy seven burners deployed and we have a a fire"
 
2013-02-13 04:03:17 AM
Does anyone think that law enforcement set the place on fire to kill him a la Waco?

/considering the state of LE, I don't doubt it.
 
2013-02-13 04:03:40 AM
if the cops who shot those ladies don't end up in prison there better be vigilantee justice
 
2013-02-13 04:06:16 AM

The Shatner Incident: Does anyone think that law enforcement set the place on fire to kill him a la Waco?

/considering the state of LE, I don't doubt it.


Anyone listening to the police scanner heard it and there are numerous recordings (I just posted a transcript of part of it) of it posted eveywhere of one of the cops directing them to burn the farker down..
 
2013-02-13 04:06:36 AM

make me some tea: doyner: daRog: cretinbob: It's kebab

cretinbob, meet doyner.

doyner; cretinbob

Everybody's a critic...

Pleased to meet you.

It can be spelled multiple ways, depending on which country.

I've seen it spelled

kebab
kebob
kabab
kabob


The Halal 9000
 
2013-02-13 04:07:02 AM

The Shatner Incident: Does anyone think that law enforcement set the place on fire to kill him a la Waco?

/considering the state of LE, I don't doubt it.


they did....there is scanner audio that pretty much says burn the farker
www.greatnorthernprepper.com
word is they found the body
 
2013-02-13 04:10:48 AM

The Shatner Incident: Does anyone think that law enforcement set the place on fire to kill him a la Waco?

/considering the state of LE, I don't doubt it.


For the next version of Grand Theft Auto, after your wanted level goes to six stars, the next level is a burning building.
 
2013-02-13 04:12:31 AM
Sniper?
 
2013-02-13 04:12:41 AM
I see the Los Angeles Posse Department got their man. It kinda reminds me of Waco. Does it remind anyone else of Waco? Any officers accidentally shoot themselves in a leg during the bloodlust?
 
2013-02-13 04:13:09 AM
he's the hero we deserve
 
2013-02-13 04:13:14 AM
I'm sure we'll learn how the fire started. Mhmm.
 
2013-02-13 04:13:50 AM

ArtosRC: I'm sure we'll learn how the fire started. Mhmm.


the cops started it
 
2013-02-13 04:13:54 AM
the cabin caught fire "accidentally from a flash grenade". What a bunch of Baloney.
 
2013-02-13 04:15:07 AM

Acharne: I see the Los Angeles Posse Department got their man. It kinda reminds me of Waco. Does it remind anyone else of Waco? Any officers accidentally shoot themselves in a leg during the bloodlust?


Waco, SLA in the 70s, Those dudes in Philly.  Bottom line is, if you've pissed off the PD enough and they've cornered you, they ain't gonna negotiate, they'll just light you on fire.
 
2013-02-13 04:16:26 AM

tweek46420: The Shatner Incident: Does anyone think that law enforcement set the place on fire to kill him a la Waco?

/considering the state of LE, I don't doubt it.

they did....there is scanner audio that pretty much says burn the farker
[www.greatnorthernprepper.com image 500x376]
word is they found the body


It's clear here around :40 http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/02/12/1186730/-BREAKING-Burn-that- f -ker-down-say-cops
 
2013-02-13 04:19:09 AM
Brought it on himself.
 
2013-02-13 04:19:10 AM
The body is a plant. He had it in there already, and that's why he went there, so he could "die".

Where'd he get the body? Easy. You can get a body anywhere. I can get you a body.


image.guardian.co.uk
 
2013-02-13 04:19:25 AM

cman: God DAMN headline is awesome!


What the fark is wrong with Fark? Either the headlines are shiatty and snarkless or the headlines are pure brilliance. There seems to be no more inbetween space


The whole world is polarized.
 
2013-02-13 04:20:01 AM

The Southern Dandy: Acharne: I see the Los Angeles Posse Department got their man. It kinda reminds me of Waco. Does it remind anyone else of Waco? Any officers accidentally shoot themselves in a leg during the bloodlust?

Waco, SLA in the 70s, Those dudes in Philly.  Bottom line is, if you've pissed off the PD enough and they've cornered you, they ain't gonna negotiate, they'll just light you on fire.


30 helens agree- thats a fact.
 
2013-02-13 04:20:27 AM

drjekel_mrhyde: tweek46420: The Shatner Incident: Does anyone think that law enforcement set the place on fire to kill him a la Waco?

/considering the state of LE, I don't doubt it.

they did....there is scanner audio that pretty much says burn the farker
[www.greatnorthernprepper.com image 500x376]
word is they found the body

It's clear here around :40 http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/02/12/1186730/-BREAKING-Burn-that- f -ker-down-say-cops


Of course, the LAPD ain't gonna pay out to anybody, so when they get sued for damages to the house, they'll deny this is them on the recording. Also, they won't pay the lady hostage the million dollar reward for her call to them.  Bet!
 
2013-02-13 04:20:31 AM

reggaejunkiejew: the cabin caught fire "accidentally from a flash grenade". What a bunch of Baloney.


Alternate theory...

i293.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-13 04:20:33 AM

ontariolightning: if the cops who shot those ladies don't end up in prison there better be vigilantee justice


They will not be charged with anything. LAPD will pay out a large settlement to the victims, and the officers involved will have a mark on their records regarding the shooting, but otherwise nothing will happen.

"Mistakes happen", they'll say, and pin the responsibility for the shooting on the freshly-crispified Dorner. If he hadn't allegedly shot two civilians and some cops, then the officers involved in this shooting wouldn't have been looking for him and mistakenly thought the ladies vehicle was suspicious, thus requiring them to open fire for their own safety and the safety of others.

It's bullshiat, but trust me, that's the way it'll play out.
 
2013-02-13 04:20:35 AM
BarkingUnicorn: cman: God DAMN headline is awesome!


What the fark is wrong with Fark? Either the headlines are shiatty and sn! arkless or the headlines are pure brilliance. There seems to be no more inbetween space

The whole world is polarized.

RAAACIIIIISSSSST!!!
/I kid I kid
 
2013-02-13 04:20:49 AM
Crisp Dorner, you say?
 
2013-02-13 04:21:38 AM

deffuse: BarkingUnicorn: cman: God DAMN headline is awesome!


What the fark is wrong with Fark? Either the headlines are shiatty and sn! arkless or the headlines are pure brilliance. There seems to be no more inbetween space

The whole world is polarized.

RAAACIIIIISSSSST!!!
/I kid I kid

WTF happened to by italics?  Grumble Grumble
 
2013-02-13 04:21:38 AM

drjekel_mrhyde: tweek46420: The Shatner Incident: Does anyone think that law enforcement set the place on fire to kill him a la Waco?

/considering the state of LE, I don't doubt it.

they did....there is scanner audio that pretty much says burn the farker
[www.greatnorthernprepper.com image 500x376]
word is they found the body

It's clear here around :40 http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/02/12/1186730/-BREAKING-Burn-that- f -ker-down-say-cops


This one sounds more legit http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24WJr4Ye8xY&feature=youtu.be
 
2013-02-13 04:23:02 AM
Hero.

Pure and simple.
 
2013-02-13 04:23:04 AM

Hagenhatesyouall: The body is a plant. He had it in there already, and that's why he went there, so he could "die".

Where'd he get the body? Easy. You can get a body anywhere. I can get you a body.



image.guardian.co.uk

By 3 oclock yesterday afternoon
 
2013-02-13 04:28:26 AM
If that is what happens I sincerely hope there are more Dorners out there

MmmmBacon: ontariolightning: if the cops who shot those ladies don't end up in prison there better be vigilantee justice

They will not be charged with anything. LAPD will pay out a large settlement to the victims, and the officers involved will have a mark on their records regarding the shooting, but otherwise nothing will happen.

"Mistakes happen", they'll say, and pin the responsibility for the shooting on the freshly-crispified Dorner. If he hadn't allegedly shot two civilians and some cops, then the officers involved in this shooting wouldn't have been looking for him and mistakenly thought the ladies vehicle was suspicious, thus requiring them to open fire for their own safety and the safety of others.

It's bullshiat, but trust me, that's the way it'll play out.

 
2013-02-13 04:28:27 AM

salsashark1: Hero.

Pure and simple.


Mad dog.  Simple.  Doesn't make the pack that took him down any less rabid.
 
2013-02-13 04:28:51 AM
You almost want to root for Dorner to come out of this unscathed just to put his thumb in the LAPD's eye.
 
2013-02-13 04:30:32 AM

styckx: What he did was wrong.. What the cops did to kill him was worse..

"All right Steve we're gonna go...uh...we're gonna forward with the plan with the...with the burner"

"Copy"

"Want it..uh...liked we talked about"

"Burners deployed and we have a fire"

"Copy seven burners deployed and we have a a fire"


I was just listening to the audio and came back here to comment on exactly those same 5 lines but you've done it.
Hearing them sure makes it sound like they were being a little nefarious in their intentions.
 
2013-02-13 04:31:33 AM
I guess they decided a Hellfire missile was too obvious.
 
2013-02-13 04:36:17 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: You almost want to root for Dorner to come out of this unscathed just to put his thumb in the LAPD's eye.


^THIS^
 
2013-02-13 04:37:16 AM

Owangotang: Brought it on himself.


Therefor, screw due process.
 
2013-02-13 04:38:07 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: You almost want to root for Dorner to come out of this unscathed just to put his thumb in the LAPD's eye.



Also it would be awesome to put a thumb in the eye of the wives, children, grandchildren, friends, and relatives of the INNOCENT people he assassinated right?...cuz you know....Fark them
 
2013-02-13 04:38:22 AM
As long as they're crooked/racist cops out there he'll be back. A modern day superhero.
 
2013-02-13 04:38:32 AM

friedlinx: AverageAmericanGuy: You almost want to root for Dorner to come out of this unscathed just to put his thumb in the LAPD's eye.

^THIS^


^THAT^
 
2013-02-13 04:40:57 AM

publikenemy: AverageAmericanGuy: You almost want to root for Dorner to come out of this unscathed just to put his thumb in the LAPD's eye.


Also it would be awesome to put a thumb in the eye of the wives, children, grandchildren, friends, and relatives of the INNOCENT people he assassinated right?...cuz you know....Fark them


I'm sure you meant 'murdered' and not 'assassinated'.

Let me phrase my opinion in the form of a quote from a wise man.

Tragedy is when i stub my toe.
Comedy is when you fall into a manhole and die.
  - Mel Brooks
 
2013-02-13 04:41:19 AM

One Bad Apple: libranoelrose:


This is a bad joke, and you should feel bad.

Dude you suck at puns.


And did you know that a burner is just cop slang for tear gas?

It has to be true, someone posted it in TFD.
 
2013-02-13 04:41:40 AM
What the body might look like
crazygrill.net
 
2013-02-13 04:42:20 AM

styckx: The Shatner Incident: Does anyone think that law enforcement set the place on fire to kill him a la Waco?

/considering the state of LE, I don't doubt it.

Anyone listening to the police scanner heard it and there are numerous recordings (I just posted a transcript of part of it) of it posted eveywhere of one of the cops directing them to burn the farker down..


Unfortunately, I was away from my computer to listen to the scanner. Man, LE went too far on this one. If you can't shoot him, wait him out. Cut the power. Cut the water.
 
2013-02-13 04:42:50 AM
www.greatnorthernprepper.com

tweek46420: word is they found the body


25.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-02-13 04:43:05 AM
if those remains aren't Dorner the LAPD just got one more black eye instead of one more black guy
 
2013-02-13 04:43:12 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: Tragedy is when i stub my toe.
Comedy is when you fall into a manhole and die


lol
 
2013-02-13 04:43:39 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: You almost want to root for Dorner to come out of this unscathed just to put his thumb in the LAPD's eye.


Well, except for that whole murdering innocent people thing he had going on.  That kinda turns me off on him.
 
2013-02-13 04:44:11 AM
S'more for DornerWe don't need no water let the motherfarker burn, Burn motherfarker burn.
 
2013-02-13 04:45:32 AM

friedlinx: [www.greatnorthernprepper.com image 500x376]
tweek46420: word is they found the body

[25.media.tumblr.com image 150x134]


how....white or black....once you charred...you charred
 
2013-02-13 04:45:43 AM
I really want there to be no body. Not because I think he's a hero (killing family members nixed that), but just to keep the cops demonstrating what a bunch of farking gangbanger thugs they are.
 
2013-02-13 04:46:31 AM
 
2013-02-13 04:48:21 AM
 FTA:  "Dorner, who reportedly crashed a purple Nissan, was then spotted driving a 2008 four-door, white Dodge 4X4 truck around 1:30 p.m."

Always with the white SUV.
 
2013-02-13 04:48:30 AM

GAT_00: sithon: geeze ,the cops sure go nuts when they're the victims. I wish they were that energetic when an average citizen was murdered .

This whole thing has been off.  There's no reason to believe they're telling the truth about any of this, the response doesn't come close to matching it.

~
~
Can anyone tell me WHAT is possibly being covered up?

Or point me to a tin foil hat link?

It's been doing my head in. Cover up  cover up cover up  cover up  cover up  cover up  cover up  cover up  cover up  cover up  cover up  cover up  cover up  cover up  cover up  cover up  cover up  cover up  cover up  cover up  cover up  cover up  cover up  cover up cover up  cover up  cover up  cover up!!!

Understood already. What are they covering up? And who are "they" for that matter?
 
2013-02-13 04:48:55 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: publikenemy: AverageAmericanGuy: You almost want to root for Dorner to come out of this unscathed just to put his thumb in the LAPD's eye.


Also it would be awesome to put a thumb in the eye of the wives, children, grandchildren, friends, and relatives of the INNOCENT people he assassinated right?...cuz you know....Fark them

I'm sure you meant 'murdered' and not 'assassinated'.

Let me phrase my opinion in the form of a quote from a wise man.

Tragedy is when i stub my toe.
Comedy is when you fall into a manhole and die.
  - Mel Brooks


No, I mean as·sas·si·nate ( -s s -n t ). tr.v. as·sas·si·nat·ed, as·sas·si·nat·ing, as·sas·si·nates. 1. To murder (a prominent person) by surprise attack, as for political reasons.

Sounds like an assassination to me bruh...maybe they weren't prominent, but they were to him. He's a fokkn coward. Kids are crying for their dead fathers this morning.

/wait, lemme stick my thumb in their crying eyes
 
2013-02-13 04:48:56 AM

drjekel_mrhyde: Someone at 4chan was already on it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wl1gZPLOp8s&feature=youtu.be


You would seriously post that with no warning while I'm listening to the Cranberries?
 
2013-02-13 04:51:20 AM

Big Ramifications: being covered up?


Criminal behavior being SOP in the LAPD?
 
2013-02-13 04:52:16 AM

Tony_Pepperoni: friedlinx: AverageAmericanGuy: You almost want to root for Dorner to come out of this unscathed just to put his thumb in the LAPD's eye.

^THIS^

^THAT^


thedailywire319.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-02-13 04:52:48 AM

Jeeemz: FTA:  "Dorner, who reportedly crashed a purple Nissan, was then spotted driving a 2008 four-door, white Dodge 4X4 truck around 1:30 p.m."

Always with the white SUV.


So, if they don't find the body, everyone in Red Chevrolet regular-cab 2WD pickups had better stay off the roads for a bit...
 
2013-02-13 04:54:27 AM

libranoelrose: Big Ramifications: being covered up?

Criminal behavior being SOP in the LAPD?


Thanks. 'Cept now I have to hit Urban dictionary to figure out what SOP means....
 
2013-02-13 04:56:39 AM

Big Ramifications: libranoelrose: Big Ramifications: being covered up?

Criminal behavior being SOP in the LAPD?

Thanks. 'Cept now I have to hit Urban dictionary to figure out what SOP means....


Standard operating procedure
 
2013-02-13 04:56:49 AM
Standard Operating Procedure.
 
2013-02-13 04:58:35 AM

Big Ramifications: GAT_00: sithon: geeze ,the cops sure go nuts when they're the victims. I wish they were that energetic when an average citizen was murdered .

This whole thing has been off.  There's no reason to believe they're telling the truth about any of this, the response doesn't come close to matching it.
~
~
Can anyone tell me WHAT is possibly being covered up?

Or point me to a tin foil hat link?

It's been doing my head in. Cover up  cover up cover up  cover up  cover up  cover up  cover up  cover up  cover up  cover up  cover up  cover up  cover up  cover up  cover up  cover up  cover up  cover up  cover up  cover up  cover up  cover up  cover up  cover up cover up  cover up  cover up  cover up!!!

Understood already. What are they covering up? And who are "they" for that matter?


In 2008, a police officer was terminated for reporting a crime the police say they didn't commit. This man cited his termination in his manifesto he posted on his Facebook wall. Today, still wanted by the government, he survives as a fugitive from justice. If you have a problem, if no one else can help, and if you can find him, maybe you can hire... The D-Team.
 
2013-02-13 04:59:12 AM

Big Ramifications: libranoelrose: Big Ramifications: being covered up?

Criminal behavior being SOP in the LAPD?

Thanks. 'Cept now I have to hit Urban dictionary to figure out what SOP means....


To soak up gravy or sauce with a biscuit.
 
2013-02-13 04:59:48 AM
Ms Mapes beat me by 10 seconds *and* got a quote in there?

*sigh*

Mavis Beacon, you have failed me.

*hangs head in shame*
 
2013-02-13 05:02:44 AM
He MAY be dead because of deadly standoff. Dead.

Excellent punditry.
 
2013-02-13 05:03:04 AM

The Shatner Incident: Unfortunately, I was away from my computer to listen to the scanner. Man, LE went too far on this one. If you can't shoot him, wait him out. Cut the power. Cut the water.


Continuing that thought... Bring in large, loudspeakers and banks of lights, so you can keep him up all night with music and blinding light. Toss a throw-phone to the cabin and try to communicate with him (using an impartial FBI hostage negotiator). You know, the usual stuff they do with barricaded gunmen wanted for murder.
 
2013-02-13 05:03:20 AM
So the way I was reading the story, he still had one hostage in the cabin. What happened to him or her?
 
2013-02-13 05:05:39 AM
Doh. Never mind. Ignore the tard .
 
2013-02-13 05:06:11 AM
Did anyone honestly expect anything different to happen?
It wasn't just that he was shooting and killing cops. He killed a cop's daughter with her fiance in her car from ambush. No wonder the entire LAPD and surrounding areas law went apeshiat

He could have drove up to the White House with a full press crew, stripped himself naked then handcuffed himself and they would have "found" him dead after "resisting" arrest.
 
2013-02-13 05:07:06 AM

sithon: geeze ,the cops sure go nuts when they're the victims. I wish they were that energetic when an average citizen was murdered .


This.
 
2013-02-13 05:10:09 AM
Direct quote from the police scanner feed: "We are going to go forward with the plan to burn."

Who knew that the police falls back on strategies optimized in the Middle Ages. Who is going to do an analysis of all the scandals that accured over the last couple of days?
 
2013-02-13 05:12:15 AM
So they think dorner is kebab.
Has LAPD removed kebab yet?

/Too much time spent on /k/...
 
2013-02-13 05:12:33 AM
So whose cabin was this, anyway?
 
2013-02-13 05:12:54 AM

hinten: Direct quote from the police scanner feed: "We are going to go forward with the plan to burn."

Who knew that the police falls back on strategies optimized in the Middle Ages. Who is going to do an analysis of all the scandals that accured over the last couple of days?


You know the answer.  No one.

They'll hem and haw until the next season of America's Honey Boo Boo Baby's Daddy Got Talent comes on and every one forgets.
 
2013-02-13 05:14:05 AM

styckx: The Shatner Incident: Does anyone think that law enforcement set the place on fire to kill him a la Waco?

/considering the state of LE, I don't doubt it.

Anyone listening to the police scanner heard it and there are numerous recordings (I just posted a transcript of part of it) of it posted eveywhere of one of the cops directing them to burn the farker down..


Yup more than one officer says more than once burn the (2 sylable bleeped word) inthe recordings. Not sure whether they said farker or ni-bong or both since it was multilpe persons multiple times.
 
2013-02-13 05:17:32 AM

Tony_Pepperoni: friedlinx: AverageAmericanGuy: You almost want to root for Dorner to come out of this unscathed just to put his thumb in the LAPD's eye.

^THIS^

^THAT^


^THOSE^
 
2013-02-13 05:18:39 AM

Oldiron_79: styckx: The Shatner Incident: Does anyone think that law enforcement set the place on fire to kill him a la Waco?

/considering the state of LE, I don't doubt it.

Anyone listening to the police scanner heard it and there are numerous recordings (I just posted a transcript of part of it) of it posted eveywhere of one of the cops directing them to burn the farker down..

Yup more than one officer says more than once burn the (2 sylable bleeped word) inthe recordings. Not sure whether they said farker or ni-bong or both since it was multilpe persons multiple times.


The recording is very clear: "go ahead with the plan to burn". They actually had planned this offline and were somewhat shy discussing it over the radios. The devices, tear gas or flashbang, were thrown into the building for one purpose only.
And someone in the police force decided that this was a good, just, and acceptable plan.
 
2013-02-13 05:20:50 AM

way south: So they think dorner is kebab.
Has LAPD removed kebab yet?

/Too much time spent on /k/...


static.guim.co.uk
 
2013-02-13 05:22:02 AM

Aces and Eights: So whose cabin was this, anyway?


www.paramountvt.org
 
2013-02-13 05:29:07 AM
Good job on killing that shiate bag.

/hope they made smores over that burning cabin
 
2013-02-13 05:32:45 AM

NicoFinn: sithon: geeze ,the cops sure go nuts when they're the victims. I wish they were that energetic when an average citizen was murdered .

This.


^^^^^^^^ this ^^^^^^^^^
 
2013-02-13 05:37:15 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: Aces and Eights: So whose cabin was this, anyway?


Seriously. I haven't seen a reference in any of the coverage that indicates the owner of the cabin. Was it Dorner's? Or just some random little-cabin-in-The-woods.
 
2013-02-13 05:38:22 AM

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: So the way I was reading the story, he still had one hostage in the cabin. What happened to him or her?


No, I think this was a different cabin than the location where he had hostages. There were a couple different vehicle changes and at least one shootout that took place between the two locations.
 
2013-02-13 05:39:33 AM
Seems as if Dorner's wrongful dismissal claim is moot now, doesn't it?

Human remains found in the cabin:

http://news.msn.com/us/ex-cop-exchanges-fire-with-authorities?gt1=51 50 1
 
2013-02-13 05:41:15 AM
Why is this trash considered a hero? Murdering people to make a statement is terrorism. He's no more a hero then the 9/11 hijackers. May he rot in hell and be raped by Satan.

/ LL Cool Jay should play him in the film
 
2013-02-13 05:43:16 AM
This blows.  Looks like the bad guys win in real life again.
 
2013-02-13 05:43:54 AM

tirob: Seems as if Dorner's wrongful dismissal claim is moot now, doesn't it?

Human remains found in the cabin:

http://news.msn.com/us/ex-cop-exchanges-fire-with-authorities?gt1=51 50 1


They should be forced to investigate it, and these shootings as well. 

/If you let the cops write off trials and reviews just because the suspect died, You'll only end up with more dead suspects.
 
2013-02-13 05:44:31 AM

Mid_mo_mad_man: Why is this trash considered a hero? Murdering people to make a statement is terrorism. He's no more a hero then the 9/11 hijackers. May he rot in hell and be raped by Satan.

/ LL Cool Jay should play him in the film


I dont think anyone sees him as a hero.
 
2013-02-13 05:45:37 AM

The Shatner Incident: styckx: The Shatner Incident: Does anyone think that law enforcement set the place on fire to kill him a la Waco?

/considering the state of LE, I don't doubt it.

Anyone listening to the police scanner heard it and there are numerous recordings (I just posted a transcript of part of it) of it posted eveywhere of one of the cops directing them to burn the farker down..

Unfortunately, I was away from my computer to listen to the scanner. Man, LE went too far on this one. If you can't shoot him, wait him out. Cut the power. Cut the water.


The sooner the LAPD murdered him, without a trial, the sooner the LAPD could get back to doing what it does best while the general public forgets everything... and the establishment media searches for a new reason not to engage in investigativve reporting anymore.
 
2013-02-13 05:46:34 AM

ExperianScaresCthulhu: This blows.  Looks like the bad guys win in real life again.




Are you brain damaged? He could have surrendered to the last two cops he shot. No one but himself sealed his fate
 
2013-02-13 05:46:50 AM

cman: Mid_mo_mad_man: Why is this trash considered a hero? Murdering people to make a statement is terrorism. He's no more a hero then the 9/11 hijackers. May he rot in hell and be raped by Satan.

/ LL Cool Jay should play him in the film

I dont think anyone sees him as a hero.


The police certainly aren't fitting the role either.
 
2013-02-13 05:47:51 AM
Dude lost any sympathy from me once he thought that involving innocent people in his crusade was acceptable.  I have NO doubt that the LAPD is as corrupt as he claims, but his methods leave much to be desired.

And if I was the owner of that cabin, I'd have encouraged the SBPD to burn the farker down around his ears to avoid any further loss of life.
 
2013-02-13 05:49:20 AM

ExperianScaresCthulhu: The sooner the LAPD murdered him, without a trial, the sooner the LAPD could get back to doing what it does best while the general public forgets everything... and the establishment media searches for a new reason not to engage in investigativve reporting anymore.


So who do you believe: aliens were behind the 9/11 attacks, or our own government?
 
2013-02-13 05:49:48 AM
OK dug farther back and found it. Some random cabin it appears. I wasn't glued to the media all day yesterday so missed that part.
 
2013-02-13 05:50:15 AM

TheWarp: cman: Mid_mo_mad_man: Why is this trash considered a hero? Murdering people to make a statement is terrorism. He's no more a hero then the 9/11 hijackers. May he rot in hell and be raped by Satan.

/ LL Cool Jay should play him in the film

I dont think anyone sees him as a hero.

The police certainly aren't fitting the role either.




The LAPD are not in the wrong here. He chose to go down the path he took. Could have worked within the system if he thought wrongs were being commited
 
2013-02-13 05:50:54 AM

Mid_mo_mad_man: ExperianScaresCthulhu: This blows.  Looks like the bad guys win in real life again.

Are you brain damaged? He could have surrendered to the last two cops he shot. No one but himself sealed his fate


You are naive.

If the option of surrender had been available, two women and one man would not have ended up with injuries, several peoples' houses and cars would not have been shot up while the police blew away anything that moved,  a dentist office wouldn't have witnessed a world record 3 minute response time because of a false sighting report, and people wouldn't have resorted to the Lowe's incident to get the police to actual respond to a real disturbance.

Dorner was a dead man walking. It was in the LAPD's best interests to murder him as quickly as possible.

/surrender was a real option, yeah right
//and DWB and WintgWW (walking in the ghetto while white) are urban legends
 
2013-02-13 05:52:09 AM

ExperianScaresCthulhu: This blows.  Looks like the bad guys win in real life again.


Problem is, there were no good guys in this story.
 
2013-02-13 05:52:46 AM

Kenny B: [i364.photobucket.com image 299x156]


hope you feel that way about everyone the LAPD murders.

/you do know the meaning of "suspect" don't you?
 
2013-02-13 05:54:46 AM

cman: ExperianScaresCthulhu: The sooner the LAPD murdered him, without a trial, the sooner the LAPD could get back to doing what it does best while the general public forgets everything... and the establishment media searches for a new reason not to engage in investigativve reporting anymore.

So who do you believe: aliens were behind the 9/11 attacks, or our own government?


I was raised Catholic. I believe(d) a lot of things you may not believe.

/only nutjobs believe Thomas Jefferson/Strom Thurmond screwed Sally Hemings/Carrie Butler
//I know how it works, which is why I don't care
 
2013-02-13 05:56:03 AM

Sgygus: If that wasn't a black dude cornered in the cabin, well, he is now.


everyone is black to the LAPD...
 
2013-02-13 05:58:21 AM

IronOcelot: hinten: Direct quote from the police scanner feed: "We are going to go forward with the plan to burn."

Who knew that the police falls back on strategies optimized in the Middle Ages. Who is going to do an analysis of all the scandals that accured over the last couple of days?

You know the answer.  No one.

They'll hem and haw until the next season of America's Honey Boo Boo Baby's Daddy Got Talent comes on and every one forgets.


^^^^^^^^^^ This.  Fk our national media, and fk us.
 
2013-02-13 06:00:46 AM
Trail by a jury of your peers.

Not an execution by the asshats you have a complaint against.

You cannot pick and choose the parts of the Constitution you want to follow.

The cops have to follow Due Process. It is what makes this country great and establishes the rule of law. Anyone cheering on the police, doesn't get that the other murder is still alleged. Alleged means they think he did but have not prove so in a court of law. You know the way things are meant to work.

I am not saying this guy is a hero, far from it. I think he was someone that needed some serious help and didn't get it. The LAPD needs some serious help too, first in how to conduct police business, second in law, and third, how to capture someone.
 
GBB
2013-02-13 06:06:44 AM
scientopia.org
Pretty sure this is not how the movie ends.


s3.vidimg.popscreen.com
So, did you hear what happened to Dahmer?
 
2013-02-13 06:08:37 AM
Didn't a season of Dexter end like this?
 
2013-02-13 06:09:16 AM

NicoFinn: sithon: geeze ,the cops sure go nuts when they're the victims. I wish they were that energetic when an average citizen was murdered .

This.


The ultimate gang.
 
2013-02-13 06:10:52 AM

gadian: Didn't a season of Dexter end like this?


Yes, kinda

Its that season when Dexters sister wants to bang Dexter
 
2013-02-13 06:13:25 AM
Dorner wasnt going to surrender, and no length or amount of negotiation would have resulted in his peaceful resignation. Dykes was taken out after 6 days. What makes anyone think dorner would go differently?

From one perspective this could be an extreme example of suicide by cop. He wrote his letter and said his goodbyes. He forced a larger hand than any due process could grasp.
 
2013-02-13 06:14:22 AM
www.inspirefusion.com
 
2013-02-13 06:14:40 AM

reggaejunkiejew: the cabin caught fire "accidentally from a flash grenade". What a bunch of

Malarkey  Baloney.

FTFY
 
2013-02-13 06:16:04 AM

Bartleby the Scrivener: Dorner wasnt going to surrender, and no length or amount of negotiation would have resulted in his peaceful resignation. Dykes was taken out after 6 days. What makes anyone think dorner would go differently?

From one perspective this could be an extreme example of suicide by cop. He wrote his letter and said his goodbyes. He forced a larger hand than any due process could grasp.


Shhhh! Quiet you!

You are speaking against someone's preconceived beliefs. No matter what you say you aint changing their mind.
 
2013-02-13 06:16:17 AM

cman: gadian: Didn't a season of Dexter end like this?

Yes, kinda

Its that season when Dexters sister wants to bang Dexter


No it's not.

Stop with the spoilers though.
 
2013-02-13 06:17:36 AM

Mid_mo_mad_man: TheWarp: cman: Mid_mo_mad_man: Why is this trash considered a hero? Murdering people to make a statement is terrorism. He's no more a hero then the 9/11 hijackers. May he rot in hell and be raped by Satan.

/ LL Cool Jay should play him in the film

I dont think anyone sees him as a hero.

The police certainly aren't fitting the role either.

The LAPD are not in the wrong here. He chose to go down the path he took. Could have worked within the system if he thought wrongs were being commited


stop hitting yourself, right?
 
2013-02-13 06:20:38 AM
I get that the guy's name is Forner and he's burnt like a kebab, but I don't see how this is a pun. Care to enlighten me?
 
2013-02-13 06:22:04 AM

HaywoodJablonski: I get that the guy's name is Forner and he's burnt like a kebab, but I don't see how this is a pun. Care to enlighten me?


http://I can tell you have never been out of the United States.
 
2013-02-13 06:22:45 AM

cman: HaywoodJablonski: I get that the guy's name is Forner and he's burnt like a kebab, but I don't see how this is a pun. Care to enlighten me?

http://I can tell you have never been out of the United States.


WOW Fark, how did you screw that up?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doner_kebab
 
2013-02-13 06:23:42 AM

HaywoodJablonski: I get that the guy's name is Forner and he's burnt like a kebab, but I don't see how this is a pun. Care to enlighten me?


A popular food item is called a donor kebab.
 
2013-02-13 06:23:43 AM

gadian: Didn't a season of Dexter end like this?


images.wikia.com

Sees what you did there.
 
2013-02-13 06:24:45 AM

cman: Bartleby the Scrivener: Dorner wasnt going to surrender, and no length or amount of negotiation would have resulted in his peaceful resignation. Dykes was taken out after 6 days. What makes anyone think dorner would go differently?

From one perspective this could be an extreme example of suicide by cop. He wrote his letter and said his goodbyes. He forced a larger hand than any due process could grasp.

Shhhh! Quiet you!

You are speaking against someone's preconceived beliefs. No matter what you say you aint changing their mind.


Cops had a legit time problem too.  They couldn't confirm he was in there supposedly.  If they waited this out for a week and a half then what?  You either go in and another cop or two dies or you find out it is empty and the guy pops up in florida and takes pop shots at more fish and game officers etc?  They were right to get this shiat resolved.  He could of turned himself in at any time.  For all you 'well they would have killed him anyway you look at it' people, how about he gets a lawyer and negotiates his surrender instead of kidnapping innocent ladies and then killing an officer for a department that had nothing to do with this entire thing?  Hell I'm sure if he showed up at any news station and asked them to help him they would of had an orgasm.
 
2013-02-13 06:24:53 AM

HaywoodJablonski: I get that the guy's name is Forner and he's burnt like a kebab, but I don't see how this is a pun. Care to enlighten me?


media-cdn.tripadvisor.com
 
2013-02-13 06:24:54 AM
Whatever. I think Gyro-ver reacting.

/It's pronounced 'yiddo'
//That's the Chicago way
 
2013-02-13 06:25:37 AM

cman: HaywoodJablonski: I get that the guy's name is Forner and he's burnt like a kebab, but I don't see how this is a pun. Care to enlighten me?

http://www.I-can-tell-you-have-never-been-out-of- the-United-States.net


/FTFY
//Other one would never have worked
///so i was bored
////slashies FTW
 
2013-02-13 06:25:51 AM

cman: HaywoodJablonski: I get that the guy's name is Forner and he's burnt like a kebab, but I don't see how this is a pun. Care to enlighten me?

http://I can tell you have never been out of the United States.


Except I live in London and have lived in 4 continents you are dead on.

Thanks for the explanation though. :)
 
2013-02-13 06:27:59 AM

SirVagTheTighty: cman: Bartleby the Scrivener: Dorner wasnt going to surrender, and no length or amount of negotiation would have resulted in his peaceful resignation. Dykes was taken out after 6 days. What makes anyone think dorner would go differently?

From one perspective this could be an extreme example of suicide by cop. He wrote his letter and said his goodbyes. He forced a larger hand than any due process could grasp.

Shhhh! Quiet you!

You are speaking against someone's preconceived beliefs. No matter what you say you aint changing their mind.

Cops had a legit time problem too.  They couldn't confirm he was in there supposedly.  If they waited this out for a week and a half then what?  You either go in and another cop or two dies or you find out it is empty and the guy pops up in florida and takes pop shots at more fish and game officers etc?  They were right to get this shiat resolved.  He could of turned himself in at any time.  For all you 'well they would have killed him anyway you look at it' people, how about he gets a lawyer and negotiates his surrender instead of kidnapping innocent ladies and then killing an officer for a department that had nothing to do with this entire thing?  Hell I'm sure if he showed up at any news station and asked them to help him they would of had an orgasm.


I am sure no lawyer wants to get shot bringing him in.... after all, if they will shoot the paper lady for just being in the wrong spot at the wrong time, imagine what they would do to a lawyer standing right next to Dorner.
 
2013-02-13 06:28:08 AM

HaywoodJablonski: cman: HaywoodJablonski: I get that the guy's name is Forner and he's burnt like a kebab, but I don't see how this is a pun. Care to enlighten me?

http://I can tell you have never been out of the United States.

Except I live in London and have lived in 4 continents you are dead on.

Thanks for the explanation though. :)


Oh hey!

My bad, should have clicked on your profile.

Ich leib Deutschland
Ic lufu AEngla Land
 
2013-02-13 06:28:46 AM
Well... due process was nice while it lasted...
 
2013-02-13 06:29:07 AM
I've had Turkish/Greek food dozens of times. I wouldn't order a doner kebab, I'd order a lamb kebab, been kebab, etc. doner meant nothing to me until today.

Live and learn I suppose
 
2013-02-13 06:30:30 AM
RIP haboob
 
2013-02-13 06:32:18 AM

cman: Mid_mo_mad_man: Why is this trash considered a hero? Murdering people to make a statement is terrorism. He's no more a hero then the 9/11 hijackers. May he rot in hell and be raped by Satan.

/ LL Cool Jay should play him in the film

I dont think anyone sees him as a hero.


Just the people the LAPD completely farked over and ruined their lives just to (try) to prove their badassery. How many people could that possibly be?

/If we ALL are held to guilt by association, then there are no 'good' cops.
 
2013-02-13 06:34:06 AM
So is it Dorner or just a barbecue lid a stoned neighbor thought was a charred skeleton of a black man?
 
2013-02-13 06:35:40 AM

ExperianScaresCthulhu: The Shatner Incident: styckx: The Shatner Incident: Does anyone think that law enforcement set the place on fire to kill him a la Waco?

/considering the state of LE, I don't doubt it.

Anyone listening to the police scanner heard it and there are numerous recordings (I just posted a transcript of part of it) of it posted eveywhere of one of the cops directing them to burn the farker down..

Unfortunately, I was away from my computer to listen to the scanner. Man, LE went too far on this one. If you can't shoot him, wait him out. Cut the power. Cut the water.

The sooner the LAPD murdered him, without a trial, the sooner the LAPD could get back to doing what it does best while the general public forgets everything... and the establishment media searches for a new reason not to engage in investigativve reporting anymore.


An I the only one that noticed that we had multiple Farkers on here, including me , that were listening to the scanner and reporting what was being said as it happened yet the only time this "recording" came up was in YouTube long after the cabin pretty much was in embers ?
 
2013-02-13 06:36:29 AM

way south: tirob: Seems as if Dorner's wrongful dismissal claim is moot now, doesn't it?

Human remains found in the cabin:

http://news.msn.com/us/ex-cop-exchanges-fire-with-authorities?gt1=51 50 1

They should be forced to investigate it, and these shootings as well. 

/If you let the cops write off trials and reviews just because the suspect died, You'll only end up with more dead suspects.


If by "these shootings" you mean the shootings by the cops of the women who were delivering newspapers, I agree with you absolutely.  The cops who did that ought to be fired and put on trial.  I wouldn't bother with the late Mr. Dorner's wrongful dismissal claim, though.  He had a chance to pursue a civil action against the LAPD; he didn't bother.
 
2013-02-13 06:37:31 AM

cman: Bartleby the Scrivener: Dorner wasnt going to surrender, and no length or amount of negotiation would have resulted in his peaceful resignation. Dykes was taken out after 6 days. What makes anyone think dorner would go differently?

From one perspective this could be an extreme example of suicide by cop. He wrote his letter and said his goodbyes. He forced a larger hand than any due process could grasp.

Shhhh! Quiet you!

You are speaking against someone's preconceived beliefs. No matter what you say you aint changing their mind.


Ive changed at least 3 internet minds since 1996 ill have you know!

In evaluating my beliefs and the facts of this case, ive concluded the following. I believe there is corruption in the lapd and i also believe in due process for alleged criminals as a fundamental right. Typically, when emotions are as high as they were, it usually results in removal of a person who cannot be objective, distanced and rational enough to act accordingly, but in this case it was the entire lapd and related jurisdictions. No doubt there will at least be superficial investigation into procedures as deployed in response to the actions leading up to the incident. Yet, dorners whole MO was to get the police to act the way he believed them to be, trolling them to blow up against procedure. He wanted to go out in a blaze as a martyr for the cause, and having them killl him, right or wrong, more than likely concretized this in his mind. His moral justification for his behavior was larger than the those on paper, either the bible or the constitution, and he was willing to die for that cause...but he wasnt going to do it like a buddhist monk. He had to make a point.
 
2013-02-13 06:41:01 AM

Bartleby the Scrivener: cman: Bartleby the Scrivener: Dorner wasnt going to surrender, and no length or amount of negotiation would have resulted in his peaceful resignation. Dykes was taken out after 6 days. What makes anyone think dorner would go differently?

From one perspective this could be an extreme example of suicide by cop. He wrote his letter and said his goodbyes. He forced a larger hand than any due process could grasp.

Shhhh! Quiet you!

You are speaking against someone's preconceived beliefs. No matter what you say you aint changing their mind.

Ive changed at least 3 internet minds since 1996 ill have you know!

In evaluating my beliefs and the facts of this case, ive concluded the following. I believe there is corruption in the lapd and i also believe in due process for alleged criminals as a fundamental right. Typically, when emotions are as high as they were, it usually results in removal of a person who cannot be objective, distanced and rational enough to act accordingly, but in this case it was the entire lapd and related jurisdictions. No doubt there will at least be superficial investigation into procedures as deployed in response to the actions leading up to the incident. Yet, dorners whole MO was to get the police to act the way he believed them to be, trolling them to blow up against procedure. He wanted to go out in a blaze as a martyr for the cause, and having them killl him, right or wrong, more than likely concretized this in his mind. His moral justification for his behavior was larger than the those on paper, either the bible or the constitution, and he was willing to die for that cause...but he wasnt going to do it like a buddhist monk. He had to make a point.


Oh hell yeah there is corruption in the LAPD. There is racism indeed. But, he crossed a line when he shot the daughter who was completely uninvolved. Whatever his message was, it is tainted by the fact that he in cold blood killed a civilian.

There will be an investigation, and there will be wrath.
 
2013-02-13 06:41:22 AM

Bartleby the Scrivener: Dorner wasnt going to surrender, and no length or amount of negotiation would have resulted in his peaceful resignation. Dykes was taken out after 6 days. What makes anyone think dorner would go differently?

From one perspective this could be an extreme example of suicide by cop. He wrote his letter and said his goodbyes. He forced a larger hand than any due process could grasp.


Nope.

Just because someone might be violent, and might want to go out in a blaze of glory (no pun intended) does not mean the police are automatically allowed to skip trying to get them to give up peacefully. Would it have taken days to accomplish? Maybe. Would they have had to bring in a negotiator from an outside agency - perhaps one Dorner might trust, such as the FBI - to get him out peacefully? Perhaps. Regardless of what it might have taken, the police should have made every effort to do it, because to not bring Dorner in alive just fuels the speculation that he was killed by the cops, as revenge or to silence him. Especially now that audio of the scanner traffic has been released, talking about the burn plan.

Dorner deserved his day in court, just like every alleged criminal does. The police don't get to decide if that criminal is not going to give up, and burn the building they are holed up in.
 
2013-02-13 06:43:39 AM

tirob: way south: tirob: Seems as if Dorner's wrongful dismissal claim is moot now, doesn't it?

Human remains found in the cabin:

http://news.msn.com/us/ex-cop-exchanges-fire-with-authorities?gt1=51 50 1

They should be forced to investigate it, and these shootings as well. 

/If you let the cops write off trials and reviews just because the suspect died, You'll only end up with more dead suspects.

If by "these shootings" you mean the shootings by the cops of the women who were delivering newspapers, I agree with you absolutely.  The cops who did that ought to be fired and put on trial.  I wouldn't bother with the late Mr. Dorner's wrongful dismissal claim, though.  He had a chance to pursue a civil action against the LAPD; he didn't bother.


...as should the cops that beat the fark out of Rodney King - but thats part of Dorner's rant, though.... Also, civil actions only appeal to those with money. I don't know if he had money (I'm guessing he had enough to buy weapons), but what had he been doing for the past 3+ years??

\What SHOULD happen and what DOES happen usually only favors those that Make or Enforce the laws... go figure.
\\Haven't been following too much beyond the headlines...
 
2013-02-13 06:46:30 AM

tirob: way south: tirob: Seems as if Dorner's wrongful dismissal claim is moot now, doesn't it?

Human remains found in the cabin:

http://news.msn.com/us/ex-cop-exchanges-fire-with-authorities?gt1=51 50 1

They should be forced to investigate it, and these shootings as well. 

/If you let the cops write off trials and reviews just because the suspect died, You'll only end up with more dead suspects.

If by "these shootings" you mean the shootings by the cops of the women who were delivering newspapers, I agree with you absolutely.  The cops who did that ought to be fired and put on trial.  I wouldn't bother with the late Mr. Dorner's wrongful dismissal claim, though.  He had a chance to pursue a civil action against the LAPD; he didn't bother.




They thought it was worth reviewing when they were using it to smoke him out.
In the aftermath of him being smoked out, I see no reason for the review to stop.
Step by step, they should be forced to explain every angle of this bullshiat.
From the day they hired him till the final shot, account for the entire mess.

/with a conflagration of this size and complexity, you'd think "review ALL THE FILES!" Would be the order of the day.
 
2013-02-13 06:48:01 AM
This could have been prevented if Charlie Sheen gave him his number.
 
2013-02-13 06:49:05 AM
or if he dialed 411
 
2013-02-13 06:50:32 AM

Team Nemesis: Good job on killing that shiate bag.

/hope they made smores over that burning cabin


You're applauding murder, by the way.

Because without arrest, charges, conviction and punishment that is precisely what this is.
 
2013-02-13 06:50:56 AM
www.tjsl.edu

Approves
 
2013-02-13 06:52:34 AM
So they've officially recovered a body?
Not to be mistaken with the time they claimed that a body has been recovered but then later said the cabin was too hot to enter.
 
2013-02-13 06:53:05 AM
I'd say he was more roasted whereas the Gyro (or Doner Kebab) is rotisseried...

upload.wikimedia.org

/Great, now I'm hungry!
 
2013-02-13 06:54:45 AM

BostonEMT: tirob: way south: tirob: Seems as if Dorner's wrongful dismissal claim is moot now, doesn't it?

Human remains found in the cabin:

http://news.msn.com/us/ex-cop-exchanges-fire-with-authorities?gt1=51 50 1

They should be forced to investigate it, and these shootings as well.

/If you let the cops write off trials and reviews just because the suspect died, You'll only end up with more dead suspects.

If by "these shootings" you mean the shootings by the cops of the women who were delivering newspapers, I agree with you absolutely.  The cops who did that ought to be fired and put on trial.  I wouldn't bother with the late Mr. Dorner's wrongful dismissal claim, though.  He had a chance to pursue a civil action against the LAPD; he didn't bother.

...as should the cops that beat the fark out of Rodney King - but thats part of Dorner's rant, though.... Also, civil actions only appeal to those with money. I don't know if he had money (I'm guessing he had enough to buy weapons), but what had he been doing for the past 3+ years??


I don't know, but one of the things he did *not* do, apparently, was look into the idea of hiring a lawyer who would have taken his wrongful termination case on a contingency fee basis.

Four of the cops who beat the f**k out of Rodney King *were* put on trial.  They were acquitted.
 
2013-02-13 06:54:47 AM

quatchi: NicoFinn: sithon: geeze ,the cops sure go nuts when they're the victims. I wish they were that energetic when an average citizen was murdered .

This.

^^^^^^^^ this ^^^^^^^^^


I dunno, if anyone I knew was murdered I don't want them to start shooting anyone driving a black subcompact.
 
2013-02-13 06:54:54 AM

cman: against procedure. He wanted to go out in a blaze as a martyr for the cause, and having them killl him, right or wrong, more than likely concretized this in his mind. His moral justification for his behavior was larger than the those on paper, either the bible or the constitution, and he was willing to die for that cause...but he wasnt going to do it like a buddhist monk. He had to make a point.

Oh hell yeah there is corruption in the LAPD. There is racism indeed. But, he crossed a line when he shot the daughter who was completely uninvolved. Whatever his message was, it is tainted by the fact that he in cold blood killed a civilian.

There will be an investigation, and there will be wrath.


I was unaware they had changed the definition of wrath to "paid vacation".
 
2013-02-13 06:55:25 AM
I'd shiat myself if he burst out from the rubble on an Arctic Cat and led the cops on a chase.

I have the sudden urge to watch Death Hunt.
 
2013-02-13 06:58:06 AM
I am thinking a secret tunnel to excape with a sacrifical burnt to a crisp body to throw the police off the scent for a while.
If a was a homacidal maniac thats what I would do.
//must stop giving me ideas away
 
2013-02-13 06:58:57 AM
MmmmBacon

I hear your points, but the stakes changed and context developed when he shot at two SB officers leading up to the event, killing one. This wasnt a dykes situation or a waco situation where there was time to negotiate. He had killed civilians before and had new hostages whom he may have killed, forcing the issue with these actions.

I have no doubt that many in lapd wanted this dude dead and that shoot first and ask questions later was at the fore. That this is likely does not negate the fact that he opened fire and took hostages. He knew this and exploited it. He basically communicated "told ya so, told ya so...neener neener neener."
 
2013-02-13 07:01:18 AM

HaywoodJablonski: I've had Turkish/Greek food dozens of times. I wouldn't order a doner kebab, I'd order a lamb kebab, been kebab, etc. doner meant nothing to me until today.

Live and learn I suppose


You're not alone, I wasn't familiar with the Doner either. Looks like the Turkish Doner and Greek Gyro are made from the same kabab.
 
2013-02-13 07:02:52 AM
Also - was there official confirmation that Dorner was in that cabin before they set it on fire? As of last night - they believe there was a guy inside who looked like Dorner.
 
2013-02-13 07:04:48 AM

tirob: Four of the cops who beat the f**k out of Rodney King *were* put on trial.  They were acquitted.


True. true... and thus they are deemed "innocent" as far as the courtroom goes. Just as Dorner died an innocent man as far as the courtroom goes - not being given the opportunity to have a 'non-biased' jury decide his fate. I guess Dorner got the Equality he wanted in the end. He's just as innocent as they are.

The one thing that I HAVE seen is the video of the cops swinging, hitting and beating Rodney King. I've seen no video yet of Dorner doing anything accept getting money out of an ATM.

\a pig is a pig, no matter how much lipstick you use.
 
2013-02-13 07:06:02 AM

Bontesla: Also - was there official confirmation that Dorner was in that cabin before they set it on fire? As of last night - they believe there was a guy inside who looked like Dorner.


See my above post.  If they aren't aren't sure he is in there even more reason to burn the thing.

If someone else is in there they would have no reason not to surrender....
 
2013-02-13 07:06:51 AM

Bontesla: Also - was there official confirmation that Dorner was in that cabin before they set it on fire? As of last night - they believe there was a guy inside who looked like Dorner.


In unrelated news, family members state that LL Cool J has gone missing.
 
2013-02-13 07:07:41 AM
Looks like its time to coroner the former cornered Dorner.
 
2013-02-13 07:09:29 AM

SirVagTheTighty: Bontesla: Also - was there official confirmation that Dorner was in that cabin before they set it on fire? As of last night - they believe there was a guy inside who looked like Dorner.

See my above post.  If they aren't aren't sure he is in there even more reason to burn the thing.

If someone else is in there they would have no reason not to surrender....


Yeah... No.
That's not how we handle suspects. We used to consider it bad form to set them on fire.
 
2013-02-13 07:14:16 AM

HaywoodJablonski: I've had Turkish/Greek food dozens of times. I wouldn't order a doner kebab, I'd order a lamb kebab, been kebab, etc. doner meant nothing to me until today.


The original headline of this thread meant nothing until the admin fixed the spelling.

I doubt subby learned anything today, though.
 
2013-02-13 07:15:18 AM

phenn: Team Nemesis: Good job on killing that shiate bag.

/hope they made smores over that burning cabin

You're applauding murder, by the way.

Because without arrest, charges, conviction and punishment that is precisely what this is.


Depends on who killed Dorner and under what circumstances.  We don't know what happened yet.
 
2013-02-13 07:15:53 AM
Ya know I had something I wanted to say, but now I just want a doner kebab. Man I miss Germany
 
2013-02-13 07:16:48 AM

The Shatner Incident: Does anyone think that law enforcement set the place on fire to kill him a la Waco?

/considering the state of LE, I don't doubt it.


I heard them say on the police scanner 'Burners deployed and we have fire.'

Then they continued to talk about how well the cabin was burning, that the fire had 'good penetration' and was 'self contained' and that they intended to just let it burn.

So yeah, they set the place on fire because burning a man alive is just as good as arresting him.

C18H27NO3: I was just listening to the audio and came back here to comment on exactly those same 5 lines but you've done it.
Hearing them sure makes it sound like they were being a little nefarious in their intentions.


Hearing it as it happened confirmed my suspicions as to why they got a no-fly zone declared and were ordering media to cut all live feeds (which you can hear earlier in the radio talk). It had nothing to do with the person in the cabin being able to see their positions. They just didn't want a video record from multiple angles of them setting a cabin on fire and burning a man alive.
 
2013-02-13 07:17:08 AM

make me some tea: doyner: make me some tea: doyner: daRog: cretinbob: It's kebab

cretinbob, meet doyner.

doyner; cretinbob

Everybody's a critic...

Pleased to meet you.

It can be spelled multiple ways, depending on which country.

I've seen it spelled

kebab
kebob
kabab
kabob

Or cretinbab

cretinbab does not sound good to eat. Do you know what they make cretins out of?


Liters?
 
2013-02-13 07:20:15 AM

heili skrimsli: The Shatner Incident: Does anyone think that law enforcement set the place on fire to kill him a la Waco?

/considering the state of LE, I don't doubt it.

I heard them say on the police scanner 'Burners deployed and we have fire.'

Then they continued to talk about how well the cabin was burning, that the fire had 'good penetration' and was 'self contained' and that they intended to just let it burn.

So yeah, they set the place on fire because burning a man alive is just as good as arresting him.

C18H27NO3: I was just listening to the audio and came back here to comment on exactly those same 5 lines but you've done it.
Hearing them sure makes it sound like they were being a little nefarious in their intentions.

Hearing it as it happened confirmed my suspicions as to why they got a no-fly zone declared and were ordering media to cut all live feeds (which you can hear earlier in the radio talk). It had nothing to do with the person in the cabin being able to see their positions. They just didn't want a video record from multiple angles of them setting a cabin on fire and burning a man alive.


^EXACTLY^
 
2013-02-13 07:21:13 AM
We should totally ban private ownership of firearms. We can trust the police to protect us, clearly.
 
2013-02-13 07:21:36 AM

tirob: phenn: Team Nemesis: Good job on killing that shiate bag.

/hope they made smores over that burning cabin

You're applauding murder, by the way.

Because without arrest, charges, conviction and punishment that is precisely what this is.

Depends on who killed Dorner and under what circumstances.  We don't know what happened yet.


At one point, someone with the US Marshals said Dorner tried exiting the back of the cabin but was pushed back inside.
 
2013-02-13 07:23:34 AM

Bartleby the Scrivener: MmmmBacon

I hear your points, but the stakes changed and context developed when he shot at two SB officers leading up to the event, killing one. This wasnt a dykes situation or a waco situation where there was time to negotiate. He had killed civilians before and had new hostages whom he may have killed, forcing the issue with these actions.

I have no doubt that many in lapd wanted this dude dead and that shoot first and ask questions later was at the fore. That this is likely does not negate the fact that he opened fire and took hostages. He knew this and exploited it. He basically communicated "told ya so, told ya so...neener neener neener."


Two SB sheriffs deputies were indeed shot, allegedly by Dorner. This has yet to be confirmed, although I expect it will be found to be true. That still does not mean the other officers on-scene should have been in such a rush to kill him, as that only moreso make it look like they were taking revenge for their fallen brethren. The FBI needed to step in and calm the situation down, and work towards a peaceful resolution. The cabin was most assuredly surrounded by every available cop within 50 miles, so whoever was in the cabin wasn't going anywhere.

The police failed in this manhunt on multiple levels, culminating in the death of their suspect in a burning cabin in the woods. Had a professional negotiator from the FBI been brought in to deal with the situation, leaving the police and sheriffs to man the perimeter only, things might have been solved peacefully. But we'll never know now, and the police will continue to be marred by the death of Dorner.

To many, they have made him a Folk Hero for ptiy's sake, which is stupid as hell, but for those people who already hate the police, Dorner is a martyr. A man who fought the LAPD to clear his name, and died in the process. Dorner should have had his day in court, been tried for his alleged crimes, and likely convicted for them.
 
2013-02-13 07:27:20 AM

BostonEMT: tirob: Four of the cops who beat the f**k out of Rodney King *were* put on trial.  They were acquitted.

True. true... and thus they are deemed "innocent" as far as the courtroom goes. Just as Dorner died an innocent man as far as the courtroom goes - not being given the opportunity to have a 'non-biased' jury decide his fate. I guess Dorner got the Equality he wanted in the end. He's just as innocent as they are.


I know of no evidence that Dorner ever *asked* a jury to decide his fate.  Which is the point I'm trying to make here.

way south: tirob: way south: tirob: Seems as if Dorner's wrongful dismissal claim is moot now, doesn't it?

Human remains found in the cabin:

http://news.msn.com/us/ex-cop-exchanges-fire-with-authorities?gt1=51 50 1

They should be forced to investigate it, and these shootings as well.

/If you let the cops write off trials and reviews just because the suspect died, You'll only end up with more dead suspects.

If by "these shootings" you mean the shootings by the cops of the women who were delivering newspapers, I agree with you absolutely.  The cops who did that ought to be fired and put on trial.  I wouldn't bother with the late Mr. Dorner's wrongful dismissal claim, though.  He had a chance to pursue a civil action against the LAPD; he didn't bother.

They thought it was worth reviewing when they were using it to smoke him out.
.



Yes they did.  But I think what they did was a tactic rather than a strategy.  And as I mentioned above, if Dorner himself didn't deem the matter worthy of putting before a theoretically impartial tribunal, why should we?
 
2013-02-13 07:27:33 AM

BostonEMT: Bontesla: Also - was there official confirmation that Dorner was in that cabin before they set it on fire? As of last night - they believe there was a guy inside who looked like Dorner.

In unrelated news, family members state that LL Cool J has gone missing.


I heard he was going back to Cali.
 
2013-02-13 07:29:01 AM

Bontesla: tirob: phenn: Team Nemesis: Good job on killing that shiate bag.

/hope they made smores over that burning cabin

You're applauding murder, by the way.

Because without arrest, charges, conviction and punishment that is precisely what this is.

Depends on who killed Dorner and under what circumstances.  We don't know what happened yet.

At one point, someone with the US Marshals said Dorner tried exiting the back of the cabin but was pushed back inside.


if true, that is even more disturbing, and turns this into a confirmed execution.
 
2013-02-13 07:31:20 AM

MmmmBacon: Bartleby the Scrivener: MmmmBacon

I hear your points, but the stakes changed and context developed when he shot at two SB officers leading up to the event, killing one. This wasnt a dykes situation or a waco situation where there was time to negotiate. He had killed civilians before and had new hostages whom he may have killed, forcing the issue with these actions.

I have no doubt that many in lapd wanted this dude dead and that shoot first and ask questions later was at the fore. That this is likely does not negate the fact that he opened fire and took hostages. He knew this and exploited it. He basically communicated "told ya so, told ya so...neener neener neener."

Two SB sheriffs deputies were indeed shot, allegedly by Dorner. This has yet to be confirmed, although I expect it will be found to be true. That still does not mean the other officers on-scene should have been in such a rush to kill him, as that only moreso make it look like they were taking revenge for their fallen brethren. The FBI needed to step in and calm the situation down, and work towards a peaceful resolution. The cabin was most assuredly surrounded by every available cop within 50 miles, so whoever was in the cabin wasn't going anywhere.

The police failed in this manhunt on multiple levels, culminating in the death of their suspect in a burning cabin in the woods. Had a professional negotiator from the FBI been brought in to deal with the situation, leaving the police and sheriffs to man the perimeter only, things might have been solved peacefully. But we'll never know now, and the police will continue to be marred by the death of Dorner.

To many, they have made him a Folk Hero for ptiy's sake, which is stupid as hell, but for those people who already hate the police, Dorner is a martyr. A man who fought the LAPD to clear his name, and died in the process. Dorner should have had his day in court, been tried for his alleged crimes, and likely convicted for them.


Large amounts of this.

Once they had him cornered in the cabin, all they had to do was wait.  Seal the perimeter, keep everyone at a safe distance, and just see if you can get him out.

Now, it's entirely possible that to many in the Black community, Dorner is going to be a martyr.
 
2013-02-13 07:31:40 AM

HindiDiscoMonster: Bontesla: tirob: phenn: Team Nemesis: Good job on killing that shiate bag.

/hope they made smores over that burning cabin

You're applauding murder, by the way.

Because without arrest, charges, conviction and punishment that is precisely what this is.

Depends on who killed Dorner and under what circumstances.  We don't know what happened yet.

At one point, someone with the US Marshals said Dorner tried exiting the back of the cabin but was pushed back inside.

if true, that is even more disturbing, and turns this into a confirmed execution.


I hear they also gave home a wedgie and a kick in the ass before sending them back in! Then the doused it with kerosene, boarded the doors and windows. Read it on the Internet !
 
2013-02-13 07:32:33 AM

Bontesla: tirob: phenn: Team Nemesis: Good job on killing that shiate bag.

/hope they made smores over that burning cabin

You're applauding murder, by the way.

Because without arrest, charges, conviction and punishment that is precisely what this is.

Depends on who killed Dorner and under what circumstances.  We don't know what happened yet.

At one point, someone with the US Marshals said Dorner tried exiting the back of the cabin but was pushed back inside.


I'd prefer waiting for an autopsy and a review of what all of the witnesses saw before relying on the assertion of a witness who hasn't been identified yet, and whose vantage point we don't know.
 
2013-02-13 07:34:02 AM

Bontesla: tirob: phenn: Team Nemesis: Good job on killing that shiate bag.

At one point, someone withthe US Marshals said Dorner tried exiting the back of the cabin but was pushed
back inside.


Did the person hear this from jenny's boyfriend's cousin's US Marshall friend at 31 flavors?
 
2013-02-13 07:34:27 AM
I don't know much about this case but reading this thread, it sounds like you can take any of the "evidence" and fit it into your preconceived notions.
 
2013-02-13 07:35:04 AM

Bartleby the Scrivener: Did the person hear this from jenny's boyfriend's cousin's US Marshall friend at 31 flavors?


Lulz, ayup
 
2013-02-13 07:36:04 AM
I hope all of these pigs die in a fire themselves. They have no regard for due process and should be removed from civil service.
 
2013-02-13 07:37:57 AM

drjekel_mrhyde: tweek46420: The Shatner Incident: Does anyone think that law enforcement set the place on fire to kill him a la Waco?

/considering the state of LE, I don't doubt it.

they did....there is scanner audio that pretty much says burn the farker
[www.greatnorthernprepper.com image 500x376]
word is they found the body

It's clear here around :40 http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/02/12/1186730/-BREAKING-Burn-that- f -ker-down-say-cops


I dont have any problem with them "burning the farker down"... Its the lying about it that is wrong and much much worse.
 
2013-02-13 07:38:15 AM
tirob:  I know of no evidence that Dorner ever *asked* a jury to decide his fate.  Which is the point I'm trying to make here.

I don't know of ANYONE - guilty or innocent - who ASKS a jury to decide their fate. The innocent don't want it because, well, they're innocent. The guilty don't want it because they got caught.

/your logic is puzzling, or at least the way you're expressing it.
//MY initial point is that Dorner got EXACTLY what the LAPD think he deserved. Their reckless shooting of innocent civilians and destruction of property only proves their complicity in running roughshod over the very laws they're supposed to enforce.
///My second point is that EVERY police Department in the country is the LAPD if only for the very fact that in every state, there are laws don't apply to the police (i.e. speeding, cell phones, etc...). The division has already been made between "us" and "them". Even the 'good' cops are guilty by association for NOT reporting the illegal activities of their fellow officers.
 
2013-02-13 07:38:32 AM

HindiDiscoMonster: Bontesla: tirob: phenn: Team Nemesis: Good job on killing that shiate bag.

/hope they made smores over that burning cabin

You're applauding murder, by the way.

Because without arrest, charges, conviction and punishment that is precisely what this is.

Depends on who killed Dorner and under what circumstances.  We don't know what happened yet.

At one point, someone with the US Marshals said Dorner tried exiting the back of the cabin but was pushed back inside.

if true, that is even more disturbing, and turns this into a confirmed execution.


It was reported by CNN around 9ish. So, we know the source isn't reliable.
 
2013-02-13 07:38:46 AM

Team Nemesis: Good job on killing that shiate bag.

/hope they made smores over that burning cabin


Yeah, screw due process and the rule of law.
 
2013-02-13 07:39:28 AM

PoTBoT: I hope all of these pigs die in a fire themselves. They have no regard for due process and should be removed from civil service.


And what better way to support your high regard for due process and waiting for all of the evidence to come out than to hope for their death?
 
2013-02-13 07:40:47 AM

libranoelrose: And did you know that a burner is just cop slang for tear gas?

It has to be true, someone posted it in TFD.


And yet the cops never accept my explanation that "I'm going to blow your motherfucjing head off" is slang for "Good day, officer, what a lovely shiny badge you have on"

Strange world.
 
2013-02-13 07:42:38 AM

Maul555: drjekel_mrhyde: tweek46420: The Shatner Incident: Does anyone think that law enforcement set the place on fire to kill him a la Waco?

/considering the state of LE, I don't doubt it.

they did....there is scanner audio that pretty much says burn the farker
[www.greatnorthernprepper.com image 500x376]
word is they found the body

It's clear here around :40 http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/02/12/1186730/-BREAKING-Burn-that- f -ker-down-say-cops

I dont have any problem with them "burning the farker down"... Its the lying about it that is wrong and much much worse.


I actually don't disagree with this part....
 
2013-02-13 07:45:31 AM

Bontesla: HindiDiscoMonster: Bontesla: tirob: phenn: Team Nemesis: Good job on killing that shiate bag.

/hope they made smores over that burning cabin

You're applauding murder, by the way.

Because without arrest, charges, conviction and punishment that is precisely what this is.

Depends on who killed Dorner and under what circumstances.  We don't know what happened yet.

At one point, someone with the US Marshals said Dorner tried exiting the back of the cabin but was pushed back inside.

if true, that is even more disturbing, and turns this into a confirmed execution.

It was reported by CNN around 9ish. So, we know the source isn't reliable.




Who gives a flying fark if he was set on fire? If you dance you have to play the fiddler. He could had easily given himself up at anytime. LAPD had nothing to gain killing him. I'm tired of farkers thinking white cops are persecuting black men. That shiat is not happening
 
2013-02-13 07:47:50 AM

tirob: Bontesla: tirob: phenn: Team Nemesis: Good job on killing that shiate bag.

/hope they made smores over that burning cabin

You're applauding murder, by the way.

Because without arrest, charges, conviction and punishment that is precisely what this is.

Depends on who killed Dorner and under what circumstances.  We don't know what happened yet.

At one point, someone with the US Marshals said Dorner tried exiting the back of the cabin but was pushed back inside.

I'd prefer waiting for an autopsy and a review of what all of the witnesses saw before relying on the assertion of a witness who hasn't been identified yet, and whose vantage point we don't know.


The witness was identified. Name, title, etc.
 
2013-02-13 07:49:02 AM

Team Nemesis: Good job on killing that shiate bag.

/hope they made smores over that burning cabin


That post was so edgy we all need tetanus shots now.
 
2013-02-13 07:51:17 AM

PoTBoT: I hope all of these pigs die in a fire themselves. They have no regard for due process and should be removed from civil service.


Yeah, by dieing in a fire without their own due process... ok.
 
2013-02-13 07:51:40 AM

tirob: BostonEMT: tirob: Four of the cops who beat the f**k out of Rodney King *were* put on trial.  They were acquitted.

True. true... and thus they are deemed "innocent" as far as the courtroom goes. Just as Dorner died an innocent man as far as the courtroom goes - not being given the opportunity to have a 'non-biased' jury decide his fate. I guess Dorner got the Equality he wanted in the end. He's just as innocent as they are.

I know of no evidence that Dorner ever *asked* a jury to decide his fate.  Which is the point I'm trying to make here.

way south: tirob: way south: tirob: Seems as if Dorner's wrongful dismissal claim is moot now, doesn't it?

Human remains found in the cabin:

http://news.msn.com/us/ex-cop-exchanges-fire-with-authorities?gt1=51 50 1

They should be forced to investigate it, and these shootings as well.

/If you let the cops write off trials and reviews just because the suspect died, You'll only end up with more dead suspects.

If by "these shootings" you mean the shootings by the cops of the women who were delivering newspapers, I agree with you absolutely.  The cops who did that ought to be fired and put on trial.  I wouldn't bother with the late Mr. Dorner's wrongful dismissal claim, though.  He had a chance to pursue a civil action against the LAPD; he didn't bother.

They thought it was worth reviewing when they were using it to smoke him out.
.


Yes they did.  But I think what they did was a tactic rather than a strategy.  And as I mentioned above, if Dorner himself didn't deem the matter worthy of putting before a theoretically impartial tribunal, why should we?


Because, even tho Dorner is dead, we the people still have an overbearing and under performing system with all of the consequences from this incident to deal with.  We need asatisfyingresolution more than LAPD or Dorner are (were) interested in giving.

I'm sure the party responsible for putting the state on lock down while destroying two trucks, a house, and damn near killing three people just wants this to be over. But its our city they shot up and our fellow citizens they shot at.
Just because the relationship between LAPD and Dorner has ended doesn't mean we aren't due a full start to finishexplanation for how this monster got made.
 
2013-02-13 07:52:20 AM

BostonEMT: tirob:  I know of no evidence that Dorner ever *asked* a jury to decide his fate.  Which is the point I'm trying to make here.

I don't know of ANYONE - guilty or innocent - who ASKS a jury to decide their fate. The innocent don't want it because, well, they're innocent. The guilty don't want it because they got caught.

/your logic is puzzling, or at least the way you're expressing it.
//MY initial point is that Dorner got EXACTLY what the LAPD think he deserved. Their reckless shooting of innocent civilians and destruction of property only proves their complicity in running roughshod over the very laws they're supposed to enforce.
///My second point is that EVERY police Department in the country is the LAPD if only for the very fact that in every state, there are laws don't apply to the police (i.e. speeding, cell phones, etc...). The division has already been made between "us" and "them". Even the 'good' cops are guilty by association for NOT reporting the illegal activities of their fellow officers.


What I meant was that there is no evidence that Dorner ever asked a jury to decide the merits, if any, of his wrongful termination claim.  As for his guilt or innocence of four murders, that's different, of course.  Although we don't know yet whether it was the police or Dorner himself who saw to it that he would never face a jury on charges of having committed those crimes.  As for the LAPD, I doubt very much that anyone affiliated with it is too cut up about what happened last night.
 
2013-02-13 07:52:35 AM
Yeah, it just caught fire by accident. Ill just wait around for the "evidence" that says they didn't. It's pretty convenient to get rid of the media because of "safety" when in fact their tactic is to absolve themselves by lack of evidence, and the only witnesses are part of the "brotherhood" of murderous corrupt pieces of sh*t. Perhaps the victims of attempted murder by the LAPD and other agencies will stand up for them. I don't think so.
 
2013-02-13 07:54:09 AM
The sad thing is that someday people need to take a stand against police forces everywhere. The fact is that police are there to serve themselves and have an OATH to protect their brotherhood at all costs, over and above any oath they have to serve little people like us. That is not acceptable. The only way to keep the police in check is to create an even bigger force of people to do so. I am sure people from communities all over the world would happily volunteer. It's a viable, realistic idea, but not one the government would ever allow, no matter how much sense it makes.
 
2013-02-13 07:54:09 AM

Mid_mo_mad_man: Who gives a flying fark if he was set on fire? If you dance you have to play the fiddler. He could had easily given himself up at anytime. LAPD had nothing to gain killing him. I'm tired of farkers thinking white cops are persecuting black men. That shiat is not happening


I'm only going to give that a 1/10. Your Troll might get one or two bites, but is more likely to draw in only Counter-Trolls. No bueno.
 
2013-02-13 07:54:36 AM
Here's a question - the cops have no idea who was actually in the cabin. The cops have not retrieved a body. The cops have not identified a body as belonging to Dorner.

Why is everyone saying it's Dorner?
 
2013-02-13 07:55:08 AM

Bartleby the Scrivener: Bontesla: tirob: phenn: Team Nemesis: Good job on killing that shiate bag.

At one point, someone withthe US Marshals said Dorner tried exiting the back of the cabin but was pushed
back inside.

Did the person hear this from jenny's boyfriend's cousin's US Marshall friend at 31 flavors?


Lol no. The source was a Chief (something) Ellingston (recalling the name from memory).
 
2013-02-13 07:57:32 AM

RexTalionis: Here's a question - the cops have no idea who was actually in the cabin. The cops have not retrieved a body. The cops have not identified a body as belonging to Dorner.

Why is everyone saying it's Dorner?


Sure, why not? It's not like the LAPD could cock this up any further.
 
2013-02-13 07:58:23 AM
Damn, they fired him twice.
 
2013-02-13 07:58:32 AM

MmmmBacon: Mid_mo_mad_man: Who gives a flying fark if he was set on fire? If you dance you have to play the fiddler. He could had easily given himself up at anytime. LAPD had nothing to gain killing him. I'm tired of farkers thinking white cops are persecuting black men. That shiat is not happening

I'm only going to give that a 1/10. Your Troll might get one or two bites, but is more likely to draw in only Counter-Trolls. No bueno.




Not even partially trolling. Read the whole thread. There's a lot of bleed hearts here
 
2013-02-13 07:58:46 AM

HindiDiscoMonster: Bontesla: tirob: phenn: Team Nemesis: Good job on killing that shiate bag.

/hope they made smores over that burning cabin

You're applauding murder, by the way.

Because without arrest, charges, conviction and punishment that is precisely what this is.

Depends on who killed Dorner and under what circumstances.  We don't know what happened yet.

At one point, someone with the US Marshals said Dorner tried exiting the back of the cabin but was pushed back inside.

if true, that is even more disturbing, and turns this into a confirmed execution.


I recall that from one of the feeds last night, although not who said it. There was definitely a reference made to the man they say was Dorner (and that had not been confirmed at the time) trying to get out the back and that he was pushed or driven back into the cabin.

Mid_mo_mad_man: Who gives a flying fark if he was set on fire? If you dance you have to play the fiddler. He could had easily given himself up at anytime. LAPD had nothing to gain killing him. I'm tired of farkers thinking white cops are persecuting black men. That shiat is not happening


I give a flying fark. This is supposed to be a nation in which we have the rule of law, where everybody, no matter what they are accused of has the right to due process. The police in California made it abundantly clear that Chris Dorner was never going to be taken alive by shooting at anything even resembling a pickup truck with a person in it. Then they figured out a nice, painful, gruesome way to kill him and after they'd gotten all the media helicopters out of the way, went ahead and exacted their revenge on someone in a cabin that they had admitted on the radio wasn't 100% confirmed to even be Dorner, much less that he had been convicted and sentenced in a court of law.

If anything they proved that they are exactly the corrupt, murderous thugs Dorner said they were. To paraphrase Chris Rock, if Dorner did kill the people they accuse him of killing, I'm not going to go so far as to say that was justified ... but I certainly understand why he did it.
 
2013-02-13 07:59:11 AM
They should have evacuated the whole area then dropped napalm.
 
2013-02-13 07:59:15 AM

RexTalionis: Here's a question - the cops have no idea who was actually in the cabin. The cops have not retrieved a body. The cops have not identified a body as belonging to Dorner.

Why is everyone saying it's Dorner?


This is Big Bear, it's possible this was some dude who was already either on the lam for something, avoiding a felony warrant, etc. Nothing is confirmed at this point, there are plenty of bad people who might be willing to shoot at sheriffs then hole up in a cabin.
 
2013-02-13 07:59:59 AM
way south:
I'm sure the party responsible for putting the state on lock down while destroying two trucks, a house, and damn near killing three people ...

No question in my mind that this part of the story should be gone over with a fine toothed comb, and that those responsible should have the book thrown at them.  I remain unconvinced that Dorner's claim itself should be the subject of any major inquiry, barring any evidence that the record of it was ever altered in any way.
 
2013-02-13 08:01:28 AM
It tickles me when freepers cry for underage girl farker David Koresh.
 
2013-02-13 08:01:50 AM

RexTalionis: Here's a question - the cops have no idea who was actually in the cabin. The cops have not retrieved a body. The cops have not identified a body as belonging to Dorner.

Why is everyone saying it's Dorner?


You must be new here.
 
2013-02-13 08:03:25 AM
When 1) the first words in the article are "Andy Smith says that despite earlier reports, Christopher Dorner's body has not been recovered from a burned out cabin where he was reportedly holed up during a deadly shootout with authorities earlier today. "

and

2) the same guy in an earlier submitted fark article "We can't get into the cabin yet because it's still too hot. So we don't know if it's him"

The conclusion is we don't know if he's dead yet since there's no guarantee he was there
 
2013-02-13 08:04:09 AM

heili skrimsli: HindiDiscoMonster: Bontesla: tirob: phenn: Team Nemesis: Good job on killing that shiate bag.

/hope they made smores over that burning cabin

You're applauding murder, by the way.

Because without arrest, charges, conviction and punishment that is precisely what this is.

Depends on who killed Dorner and under what circumstances.  We don't know what happened yet.

At one point, someone with the US Marshals said Dorner tried exiting the back of the cabin but was pushed back inside.

if true, that is even more disturbing, and turns this into a confirmed execution.

I recall that from one of the feeds last night, although not who said it. There was definitely a reference made to the man they say was Dorner (and that had not been confirmed at the time) trying to get out the back and that he was pushed or driven back into the cabin.

Mid_mo_mad_man: Who gives a flying fark if he was set on fire? If you dance you have to play the fiddler. He could had easily given himself up at anytime. LAPD had nothing to gain killing him. I'm tired of farkers thinking white cops are persecuting black men. That shiat is not happening

I give a flying fark. This is supposed to be a nation in which we have the rule of law, where everybody, no matter what they are accused of has the right to due process. The police in California made it abundantly clear that Chris Dorner was never going to be taken alive by shooting at anything even resembling a pickup truck with a person in it. Then they figured out a nice, painful, gruesome way to kill him and after they'd gotten all the media helicopters out of the way, went ahead and exacted their revenge on someone in a cabin that they had admitted on the radio wasn't 100% confirmed to even be Dorner, much less that he had been convicted and sentenced in a court of law.

If anything they proved that they are exactly the corrupt, murderous thugs Dorner said they were. To paraphrase Chris Rock, if Dorner did kill the people they accuse him of killing, I ...




You are exactly what's wrong with the USA. The cops he shot Tuesday would have arrested him without a hitch if he wanted that. Just because he's black doesn't make him a victim
 
2013-02-13 08:06:55 AM
My money says he died of a self-inflicted gunshot wound.  Eddie Murphy told me that black people don't die in fires.
 
2013-02-13 08:07:43 AM
They knew he was wounded and had stopped fighting, and decided to burn him anyhow.  Right before they start the fire, they are confirming that they see his blood spattered on a wall inside.

I understand why they did it.. but kind of farked up.
 
2013-02-13 08:09:05 AM

Jake Havechek: It tickles me when freepers cry for underage girl farker David Koresh.


if that is your standard for ridicule I'll wait while you attack the prophet of Islam.
 
2013-02-13 08:10:17 AM
heili skrimsli: 

If anything they proved that they are exactly the corrupt, murderous thugs Dorner said they were. To paraphrase Chris Rock...

I know you wouldn't go so far as to say that killing Chris Rock was justified, but if someone were to kill him tomorrow, would you understand why he did it?
 
2013-02-13 08:10:43 AM

C18H27NO3: styckx: What he did was wrong.. What the cops did to kill him was worse..

"All right Steve we're gonna go...uh...we're gonna forward with the plan with the...with the burner"

"Copy"

"Want it..uh...liked we talked about"

"Burners deployed and we have a fire"

"Copy seven burners deployed and we have a a fire"

I was just listening to the audio and came back here to comment on exactly those same 5 lines but you've done it.
Hearing them sure makes it sound like they were being a little nefarious in their intentions.


I'm far from a defender of the police, but from the recording it sounds like they were attempting to flush him out "the four side." Rather than escape the burning building, he shot himself. I'd would call it a shiatty tactic, but it didn't sound terribly nefarious to me.
 
2013-02-13 08:10:45 AM

Jake Havechek: It tickles me when freepers cry for underage girl farker David Koresh.


The ATF is concerned with statutory rape?
 
2013-02-13 08:11:34 AM
Mid_Mo_Mad_man

You are what is wrong with America. Cops ARE NOT ABOVE THE LAW.
 
2013-02-13 08:12:49 AM
No official confirmation, but I suppose it's fairly safe to assume those charred remains are his.  Whatever story he may have had to tell will be lost in the story of his jackass actions.  At least it would appear he's done now.
 
2013-02-13 08:14:18 AM

The Muthaship: My money says he died of a self-inflicted gunshot wound.  Eddie Murphy told me that black people don't die in fires.




He did. I listened to the whole thing go down on police scanner... He was wounded and couldnt mount a fight anymore. The cops set the house on fire, and were waiting for him to run out so they could blast him. Instead, he shot himself in the head with a single gunshot. The house went up in flames, and they could hear his ammo cooking off.

He chose suicide over being burned.
 
2013-02-13 08:14:20 AM

Ecobuckeye: I'm far from a defender of the police, but from the recording it sounds like they were attempting to flush him out "the four side." Rather than escape the burning building, he shot himself. I'd would call it a shiatty tactic, but it didn't sound terribly nefarious to me.


If only we had like a gas that would make you very uncomfortable, teary eyed and disoriented, and it would flush you out of confined spaces. If we did have that sort of thing I'm sure they'd have at least tried it before burning everything.
 
2013-02-13 08:14:28 AM
Well done, subby.
 
2013-02-13 08:15:26 AM

USP .45: If only we had like a gas that would make you very uncomfortable, teary eyed and disoriented, and it would flush you out of confined spaces. If we did have that sort of thing I'm sure they'd have at least tried it before burning everything.


Also, this gas would be a flammable aerosol.
 
2013-02-13 08:16:11 AM

PoTBoT: Mid_Mo_Mad_man

You are what is wrong with America. Cops ARE NOT ABOVE THE LAW.




He chose to die. They were forced to kill him. He not the law men are the villains here. No one forced him to murder four people
 
2013-02-13 08:16:38 AM

Alonjar: He chose suicide over being burned.


Or shame.
 
2013-02-13 08:16:58 AM

tirob: way south:
I'm sure the party responsible for putting the state on lock down while destroying two trucks, a house, and damn near killing three people ...

No question in my mind that this part of the story should be gone over with a fine toothed comb, and that those responsible should have the book thrown at them.  I remain unconvinced that Dorner's claim itself should be the subject of any major inquiry, barring any evidence that the record of it was ever altered in any way.


It shouldn't be gone over necessarily because of his claim, but because this is the start of the story.
The narrative currently reads "Disgruntled former employee goes on rampage, targets coworkers".

Question one is: "Why did he become disgruntled?".
Yes, reviewing his claims would be apart of answering that.
 
2013-02-13 08:17:20 AM
This stinks to high heaven all the way around. They need to tear the LAPD apart and investigate it in it's entirety.

However, this man lost whatever high ground he had when he murdered Monica Quan for doing nothing more than being the daughter to one of the folk's he had a beef with.
 
2013-02-13 08:17:27 AM

Hagbardr: USP .45: If only we had like a gas that would make you very uncomfortable, teary eyed and disoriented, and it would flush you out of confined spaces. If we did have that sort of thing I'm sure they'd have at least tried it before burning everything.

Also, this gas would be a flammable aerosol.


Ah, two birds with one stone then.
 
2013-02-13 08:17:43 AM

Alonjar: He chose suicide over being burned.


Who wouldn't? I'd rather die quick than cook alive.
 
2013-02-13 08:17:48 AM
Thankfully now that the manhunt is over the people of LA can get on with their lives without fear of harassment or violence from the LAPD.
 
2013-02-13 08:19:08 AM
Does anybody have an article that confirms this business that the LAPD (why the fark were they even there, that's a good question) set the fire?  Difficulty:  NO infowars.  I mean an article from a credible news agency?
 
2013-02-13 08:19:10 AM

USP .45: Ecobuckeye: I'm far from a defender of the police, but from the recording it sounds like they were attempting to flush him out "the four side." Rather than escape the burning building, he shot himself. I'd would call it a shiatty tactic, but it didn't sound terribly nefarious to me.

If only we had like a gas that would make you very uncomfortable, teary eyed and disoriented, and it would flush you out of confined spaces. If we did have that sort of thing I'm sure they'd have at least tried it before burning everything.


I agree, but they mentioned seeing an RPG. It's not much of a leap to suggest a guy with an RPG and knowledge of police tactics would have a gas mask, too. Who knows. I'm just trying to work through what happened reasonably. I still believe that, no matter the uniform, people are generally good and accidents happen.
 
2013-02-13 08:19:27 AM

Mid_mo_mad_man: You are exactly what's wrong with the USA. The cops he shot Tuesday would have arrested him without a hitch if he wanted that. Just because he's black doesn't make him a victim


This has nothing to do with what color he is and everything to do with the fact that I still believe in a nation that exists under the rule of law in which every person is presumed innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt as judged by a jury of his or her peers.

I don't think that the police should have rules of engagement that are more permissive than those afforded to actual soldiers in combat as if the police are at war with the rest of the citizens. I think enacting a plan to burn a man alive is repugnant, cruel, unusual, and should be called murder, and I don't think that changes because of what that man is accused of doing.

That is not what is 'wrong' with America. There are places where such despotic and tyrannical actions are socially acceptable so long as the perpetrator of those actions wears a uniform, places like Somalia where there is no rule of law. Perhaps you should move to one of those societies more to your liking.
 
2013-02-13 08:19:45 AM

Mid_mo_mad_man: No one forced him to murder four people


He could have just wrtten a book, instead.
 
2013-02-13 08:21:01 AM

IronOcelot: This stinks to high heaven all the way around. They need to tear the LAPD apart and investigate it in it's entirety.

However, this man lost whatever high ground he had when he murdered Monica Quan for doing nothing more than being the daughter to one of the folk's he had a beef with.




If I'm read the comments right in this thread it's ok to kill if u disagree with your employers? Or is just the persecuted blacks in this country can do it with farks approval. I'm glad this monster is dead
 
2013-02-13 08:21:58 AM

The Evil That Lies In The Hearts Of Men: Thankfully now that the manhunt is over the people of LA can get on with their lives without fear of harassment or violence from the LAPD.


Ha
 
2013-02-13 08:22:00 AM

heili skrimsli: HindiDiscoMonster: Bontesla: tirob: phenn: Team Nemesis: Good job on killing that shiate bag.

/hope they made smores over that burning cabin

You're applauding murder, by the way.

Because without arrest, charges, conviction and punishment that is precisely what this is.

Depends on who killed Dorner and under what circumstances.  We don't know what happened yet.

At one point, someone with the US Marshals said Dorner tried exiting the back of the cabin but was pushed back inside.

if true, that is even more disturbing, and turns this into a confirmed execution.

I recall that from one of the feeds last night, although not who said it. There was definitely a reference made to the man they say was Dorner (and that had not been confirmed at the time) trying to get out the back and that he was pushed or driven back into the cabin.

Mid_mo_mad_man: Who gives a flying fark if he was set on fire? If you dance you have to play the fiddler. He could had easily given himself up at anytime. LAPD had nothing to gain killing him. I'm tired of farkers thinking white cops are persecuting black men. That shiat is not happening

I give a flying fark. This is supposed to be a nation in which we have the rule of law, where everybody, no matter what they are accused of has the right to due process. The police in California made it abundantly clear that Chris Dorner was never going to be taken alive by shooting at anything even resembling a pickup truck with a person in it. Then they figured out a nice, painful, gruesome way to kill him and after they'd gotten all the media helicopters out of the way, went ahead and exacted their revenge on someone in a cabin that they had admitted on the radio wasn't 100% confirmed to even be Dorner, much less that he had been convicted and sentenced in a court of law.

If anything they proved that they are exactly the corrupt, murderous thugs Dorner said they were. To paraphrase Chris Rock, if Dorner did kill the people they accuse him of killing, I'm not going to go so far as to say that was justified ... but I certainly understand why he did it.


Dorner made it abundantly clear that he wasn't going to be taken alive! He had no interest in due process or he would have chosen a different path and either surrendered (even after the fire started) or taken LAPD to court. He decided to take as many with him as he could .
 
2013-02-13 08:23:15 AM

nekom: Does anybody have an article that confirms this business that the LAPD (why the fark were they even there, that's a good question) set the fire?  Difficulty:  NO infowars.  I mean an article from a credible news agency?


The scanner talk is pretty convincing.
 
2013-02-13 08:23:30 AM
FTA: The home, ironically, is located near the Sheriff's outpost that was set up earlier this week as part of the search for him.

Dear writers, this is a coincidence, not ironic. Ironic would be if he was holed up IN the Sheriff's outpost.
 
2013-02-13 08:25:20 AM

Mid_mo_mad_man: PoTBoT: Mid_Mo_Mad_man

You are what is wrong with America. Cops ARE NOT ABOVE THE LAW.

He chose to die. They were forced to kill him. He not the law men are the villains here. No one forced him to murder four people

Mid_mo_mad_man          Smartest Funniest   2013-02-13 08:16:11 AM   PoTBoT: Mid_Mo_Mad_man You are what is wrong with America. Cops ARE NOT ABOVE THE LAW. He chose to die. They were forced to kill him. He not the law men are the villains here. No one forced him to murder four people


You just don't get it do you? Civil servants abide by the law, they represent the law, they are not above the law. Your thinking is what is wrong, and is the very thing that is wrong with agencies like the LAPD because that is what they believe too. They can do whatever they want, and stupid people like you are their advocates.

 
2013-02-13 08:26:17 AM

heili skrimsli: Mid_mo_mad_man: You are exactly what's wrong with the USA. The cops he shot Tuesday would have arrested him without a hitch if he wanted that. Just because he's black doesn't make him a victim

This has nothing to do with what color he is and everything to do with the fact that I still believe in a nation that exists under the rule of law in which every person is presumed innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt as judged by a jury of his or her peers.

I don't think that the police should have rules of engagement that are more permissive than those afforded to actual soldiers in combat as if the police are at war with the rest of the citizens. I think enacting a plan to burn a man alive is repugnant, cruel, unusual, and should be called murder, and I don't think that changes because of what that man is accused of doing.

That is not what is 'wrong' with America. There are places where such despotic and tyrannical actions are socially acceptable so long as the perpetrator of those actions wears a uniform, places like Somalia where there is no rule of law. Perhaps you should move to one of those societies more to your liking.




He shot first Tuesday. He took the law into own hands. The cops did not violate his rights. And yes the outrage has every thing to do with his skin color. Blacks in the USA think everyone is holding them back. They are the only ones causing thier troubles.
 
2013-02-13 08:28:26 AM

MNguy: nekom: Does anybody have an article that confirms this business that the LAPD (why the fark were they even there, that's a good question) set the fire?  Difficulty:  NO infowars.  I mean an article from a credible news agency?

The scanner talk is pretty convincing.


Yeah, but that's VERY prone to be taken out of context. One little snippet among the thousands of transmissions by hundreds of law enforcement personnel doesn't alone convince me. And if burners are in fact slang for tear gas, they may have meant that as in try to gas him out. I know it's early and the details are still coming in, I'm just trying not to jump on the conspiracy bandwagon prematurely.
 
2013-02-13 08:28:37 AM

Mid_mo_mad_man: Blacks in the USA think everyone is holding them back. They are the only ones causing thier troubles.


At some point you've got to stop and realize you are the only one in this thread who thinks this had anything to do with race.
 
2013-02-13 08:28:46 AM

PoTBoT: Mid_mo_mad_man: PoTBoT: Mid_Mo_Mad_man

You are what is wrong with America. Cops ARE NOT ABOVE THE LAW.

He chose to die. They were forced to kill him. He not the law men are the villains here. No one forced him to murder four people

Mid_mo_mad_man          Smartest Funniest   2013-02-13 08:16:11 AM   PoTBoT: Mid_Mo_Mad_man You are what is wrong with America. Cops ARE NOT ABOVE THE LAW. He chose to die. They were forced to kill him. He not the law men are the villains here. No one forced him to murder four people

You just don't get it do you? Civil servants abide by the law, they represent the law, they are not above the law. Your thinking is what is wrong, and is the very thing that is wrong with agencies like the LAPD because that is what they believe too. They can do whatever they want, and stupid people like you are their advocates.


How many people would have been a fair number to have die in order to force him to surrender non-voluntarily?  The guy wanted death by cop, he was pretty clear on that, and he got it.  If he wanted a trial he had that right, and could of done so.  He didn't.
 
2013-02-13 08:28:52 AM

Mid_mo_mad_man: Blacks in the USA think everyone is holding them back. They are the only ones causing thier troubles.


You're from Missouri all right.
 
2013-02-13 08:29:27 AM

PoTBoT: Mid_mo_mad_man: PoTBoT: Mid_Mo_Mad_man

You are what is wrong with America. Cops ARE NOT ABOVE THE LAW.

He chose to die. They were forced to kill him. He not the law men are the villains here. No one forced him to murder four people

Mid_mo_mad_man          Smartest Funniest   2013-02-13 08:16:11 AM   PoTBoT: Mid_Mo_Mad_man You are what is wrong with America. Cops ARE NOT ABOVE THE LAW. He chose to die. They were forced to kill him. He not the law men are the villains here. No one forced him to murder four people

You just don't get it do you? Civil servants abide by the law, they represent the law, they are not above the law. Your thinking is what is wrong, and is the very thing that is wrong with agencies like the LAPD because that is what they believe too. They can do whatever they want, and stupid people like you are their advocates.




Who shot first Tuesday? Only he forced this
 
2013-02-13 08:29:33 AM

dittybopper: BostonEMT: Bontesla: Also - was there official confirmation that Dorner was in that cabin before they set it on fire? As of last night - they believe there was a guy inside who looked like Dorner.

In unrelated news, family members state that LL Cool J has gone missing.

I heard he was going back to Cali.


I don't think so.
 
2013-02-13 08:29:33 AM

Bathsalt: Dorner made it abundantly clear that he wasn't going to be taken alive! He had no interest in due process or he would have chosen a different path and either surrendered (even after the fire started) or taken LAPD to court. He decided to take as many with him as he could .


so drunk and aggressive suspects who clearly are not interested in due process should just be shot.
 
2013-02-13 08:30:27 AM

nekom: MNguy: nekom: Does anybody have an article that confirms this business that the LAPD (why the fark were they even there, that's a good question) set the fire?  Difficulty:  NO infowars.  I mean an article from a credible news agency?

The scanner talk is pretty convincing.

Yeah, but that's VERY prone to be taken out of context. One little snippet among the thousands of transmissions by hundreds of law enforcement personnel doesn't alone convince me. And if burners are in fact slang for tear gas, they may have meant that as in try to gas him out. I know it's early and the details are still coming in, I'm just trying not to jump on the conspiracy bandwagon prematurely.


Look at the TF thread.  Between the context of what they said and hearing 'burn the mother farker' I don't think it is out of line to think they intended to burn it......
 
2013-02-13 08:31:36 AM

USP .45: Bathsalt: Dorner made it abundantly clear that he wasn't going to be taken alive! He had no interest in due process or he would have chosen a different path and either surrendered (even after the fire started) or taken LAPD to court. He decided to take as many with him as he could .

so drunk and aggressive suspects who clearly are not interested in due process should just be shot.


If they are killing innocent people and can't be taken safely?  Hell yea
 
2013-02-13 08:34:54 AM
This isn't going to end well for the cops. There is a reason we try and discourage them from doing street executions.
 
2013-02-13 08:35:03 AM

SirVagTheTighty: USP .45: Bathsalt: Dorner made it abundantly clear that he wasn't going to be taken alive! He had no interest in due process or he would have chosen a different path and either surrendered (even after the fire started) or taken LAPD to court. He decided to take as many with him as he could .

so drunk and aggressive suspects who clearly are not interested in due process should just be shot.

If they are killing innocent people and can't be taken safely?  Hell yea


has a large knife and has locked himself in a car. so light the gas tank on fire right?
 
2013-02-13 08:36:13 AM

Mid_mo_mad_man: heili skrimsli: Mid_mo_mad_man: You are exactly what's wrong with the USA. The cops he shot Tuesday would have arrested him without a hitch if he wanted that. Just because he's black doesn't make him a victim

This has nothing to do with what color he is and everything to do with the fact that I still believe in a nation that exists under the rule of law in which every person is presumed innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt as judged by a jury of his or her peers.

I don't think that the police should have rules of engagement that are more permissive than those afforded to actual soldiers in combat as if the police are at war with the rest of the citizens. I think enacting a plan to burn a man alive is repugnant, cruel, unusual, and should be called murder, and I don't think that changes because of what that man is accused of doing.

That is not what is 'wrong' with America. There are places where such despotic and tyrannical actions are socially acceptable so long as the perpetrator of those actions wears a uniform, places like Somalia where there is no rule of law. Perhaps you should move to one of those societies more to your liking.

He shot first Tuesday. He took the law into own hands. The cops did not violate his rights. And yes the outrage has every thing to do with his skin color. Blacks in the USA think everyone is holding them back. They are the only ones causing thier troubles.


Perhaps sometime you will be accused and sentenced by someone who is not by law able or qualified. No jury of your peers, just a few cops. I will still care and fight for your rights under the constitution, even if its someone as ignorant as you.
 
2013-02-13 08:36:40 AM
nekom:
Yeah, but that's VERY prone to be taken out of context. One little snippet among the thousands of transmissions by hundreds of law enforcement personnel doesn't alone convince me. And if burners are in fact slang for tear gas, they may have meant that as in try to gas him out. I know it's early and the details are still coming in, I'm just trying not to jump on the conspiracy bandwagon prematurely.

The police, (I don't know if it was LAPD) intentionally started the fire.  Whether the motivation was to smoke him out or kill him, we'll probably never know for sure.
 
2013-02-13 08:39:03 AM

KellyKellyKelly: dittybopper: BostonEMT: Bontesla: Also - was there official confirmation that Dorner was in that cabin before they set it on fire? As of last night - they believe there was a guy inside who looked like Dorner.

In unrelated news, family members state that LL Cool J has gone missing.

I heard he was going back to Cali.

I don't think so.


He was partying in LA with Brad Paisley last night. Seriously. Paisley tweeted a picture of them "rockin' out".
 
2013-02-13 08:40:37 AM

MNguy: nekom:
Yeah, but that's VERY prone to be taken out of context. One little snippet among the thousands of transmissions by hundreds of law enforcement personnel doesn't alone convince me. And if burners are in fact slang for tear gas, they may have meant that as in try to gas him out. I know it's early and the details are still coming in, I'm just trying not to jump on the conspiracy bandwagon prematurely.

The police, (I don't know if it was LAPD) intentionally started the fire.  Whether the motivation was to smoke him out or kill him, we'll probably never know for sure.


If that is the case, I honestly can't say I blame them. He would have had the opportunity to come out and surrender. They had every reason to believe that he would open fire on anyone who came in, so why risk another cop's life so that this schmuck can "take one more with him"? I'm just not sure if it's quite `legal' or not, I'm no lawyer. But I can't say I blame them one bit.
 
2013-02-13 08:40:47 AM

Mid_mo_mad_man: Why is this trash considered a hero? Murdering people to make a statement is terrorism. He's no more a hero then the 9/11 hijackers. May he rot in hell and be raped by Satan.

/ LL Cool Jay should play him in the film


Kinda like the police just did?  Murdered a man to make the statement "you mess with us, there will be no trial, we'll just kill you"?
 
2013-02-13 08:41:36 AM

spidermann: if those remains aren't Dorner the LAPD just got one more black eye instead of one more black guy


Why? LAPD wasn't involved in anything you saw on TV last night. It wasn't even in their county. They were available at a nearby airport to supplement or relieve San Bernadino County SWAT, but were never called upon.
 
2013-02-13 08:42:12 AM

PoTBoT: Mid_mo_mad_man: heili skrimsli: Mid_mo_mad_man: You are exactly what's wrong with the USA. The cops he shot Tuesday would have arrested him without a hitch if he wanted that. Just because he's black doesn't make him a victim

This has nothing to do with what color he is and everything to do with the fact that I still believe in a nation that exists under the rule of law in which every person is presumed innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt as judged by a jury of his or her peers.

I don't think that the police should have rules of engagement that are more permissive than those afforded to actual soldiers in combat as if the police are at war with the rest of the citizens. I think enacting a plan to burn a man alive is repugnant, cruel, unusual, and should be called murder, and I don't think that changes because of what that man is accused of doing.

That is not what is 'wrong' with America. There are places where such despotic and tyrannical actions are socially acceptable so long as the perpetrator of those actions wears a uniform, places like Somalia where there is no rule of law. Perhaps you should move to one of those societies more to your liking.

He shot first Tuesday. He took the law into own hands. The cops did not violate his rights. And yes the outrage has every thing to do with his skin color. Blacks in the USA think everyone is holding them back. They are the only ones causing thier troubles.

Perhaps sometime you will be accused and sentenced by someone who is not by law able or qualified. No jury of your peers, just a few cops. I will still care and fight for your rights under the constitution, even if its someone as ignorant as you.


I am sure the guy who killed multiple people for things that had nothing to do with them,
then fled and killed other police officers that weren't even members of the department he had a beef with,
then kidnapped two ladies who had fark all to do with any of this,
then attempted to kill a god damn fish and wild life officer,
then did kill a police officer from yet another jurisdiction he had no beef with,
then choose to kill himself rather than turn himself in really appreciates you support.

Keep fighting the good fight.
 
2013-02-13 08:42:23 AM
Almost 30 years later, and it seems like another Gordon Kahl incident, complete with manhunt and the suspect gets to DIAF of suspicious origin.

/nothing ever changes
 
2013-02-13 08:42:30 AM

The Southern Dandy: drjekel_mrhyde: tweek46420: The Shatner Incident: Does anyone think that law enforcement set the place on fire to kill him a la Waco?

/considering the state of LE, I don't doubt it.

they did....there is scanner audio that pretty much says burn the farker
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word is they found the body

It's clear here around :40 http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/02/12/1186730/-BREAKING-Burn-that- f -ker-down-say-cops

Of course, the LAPD ain't gonna pay out to anybody, so when they get sued for damages to the house, they'll deny this is them on the recording. Also, they won't pay the lady hostage the million dollar reward for her call to them.  Bet!


LAPD had nothing to do with it. San Bernadino County did.
 
2013-02-13 08:44:08 AM
2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-02-13 08:44:51 AM

USP .45: Bathsalt: Dorner made it abundantly clear that he wasn't going to be taken alive! He had no interest in due process or he would have chosen a different path and either surrendered (even after the fire started) or taken LAPD to court. He decided to take as many with him as he could .

so drunk and aggressive suspects who clearly are not interested in due process should just be shot.


If they threatened to kill people, killed people and were still trying to kill people, then yes.

Yes they should be put down quickly in any manner possible. He had his chances for due process and rejected them in favor of taking out more people.

Where was the handwringing for Jimmy Lee Sykes when they took him out last month? How was one POS different than the other?

And I doubt many tears would have been shed if Adam Lawton, Jared Laughner or James Holmes was taken out in the midst of their rampage.
 
2013-02-13 08:46:05 AM
RATM put out their new album just a little bit too soon....
 
2013-02-13 08:47:02 AM
images.fandango.com
 
2013-02-13 08:47:14 AM

nekom: I'm just trying not to jump on the conspiracy bandwagon prematurely.


Come on now. It's more fun to take the reins and whip the horses. YEEHAW
 
2013-02-13 08:47:35 AM
Who's betting that Pete's cousin turned him in for the bounty?

i.imgur.com

You know they got this Recession on.
 
2013-02-13 08:47:39 AM

IamKaiserSoze!!!: USP .45: Bathsalt: Dorner made it abundantly clear that he wasn't going to be taken alive! He had no interest in due process or he would have chosen a different path and either surrendered (even after the fire started) or taken LAPD to court. He decided to take as many with him as he could .

so drunk and aggressive suspects who clearly are not interested in due process should just be shot.

If they threatened to kill people, killed people and were still trying to kill people, then yes.

Yes they should be put down quickly in any manner possible. He had his chances for due process and rejected them in favor of taking out more people.

Where was the handwringing for Jimmy Lee Sykes when they took him out last month? How was one POS different than the other?

And I doubt many tears would have been shed if Adam Lawton, Jared Laughner or James Holmes was taken out in the midst of their rampage.


Apparently the difference was those people weren't killing cops.  You all could have a little compassion for someone that goes to work every day knowing they may die to help you.  But apparently a lot of you have gotten a dui or a speeding ticket you didn't think you deserved so fark yea kill cops or something.
 
2013-02-13 08:47:43 AM

Bontesla: SirVagTheTighty: 

If someone else is in there they would have no reason not to surrender....

Yeah... No.
That's not how we handle suspects. We used to consider it bad form to set them on fire.


if it was an LAPD officer in there, sufficiently bound and gagged, surrounded by some improvised 'splodey ammo, there would be a reason they didn't surrender. burning people alive is mean, but that would be the most amusing scenario.
 
2013-02-13 08:48:43 AM
cdn02.cdn.justjared.com
 
2013-02-13 08:49:30 AM
Dammit.

I have been scouring the web to find that Benny Hill sketch "I'm a Doner."  Like a PSA where people say they are a doner and then Benny Hill dies in a firey crash and a Benny Hill shaped head ends up on a spit in a Doner Kebab wagon.
 
2013-02-13 08:49:37 AM
Wow, even that dude in Norway who massacred 77 people across the the country got his day in court. It's stuff  like what the police just did in burning up Dorner instead of bringing him to justice makes America look like a Third World Nation. No wonder people love to hate on cops here.
 
2013-02-13 08:50:43 AM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-02-13 08:52:05 AM
Mid_mo_mad_man:

He shot first Tuesday. He took the law into own hands. The cops did not violate his rights. And yes the outrage has every thing to do with his skin color.

If what you say were true, I think it would follow that every black person in the US who had ever claimed to have been wrongfully terminated would go on vengeful shooting sprees.
 
2013-02-13 08:52:07 AM

apoptotic: KellyKellyKelly: dittybopper: BostonEMT: Bontesla: Also - was there official confirmation that Dorner was in that cabin before they set it on fire? As of last night - they believe there was a guy inside who looked like Dorner.

In unrelated news, family members state that LL Cool J has gone missing.

I heard he was going back to Cali.

I don't think so.

He was partying in LA with Brad Paisley last night. Seriously. Paisley tweeted a picture of them "rockin' out".


That roaring sound you just heard was the joke doing a low-pass flyby of your head.
 
2013-02-13 08:52:46 AM

IronOcelot: Did anyone honestly expect anything different to happen?
It wasn't just that he was shooting and killing cops. He killed a cop's daughter with her fiance in her car from ambush. No wonder the entire LAPD and surrounding areas law went apeshiat



It also didn't help him that he wrote this in his manifesto;

No amount of IMINT, MASINT, and ELINT assist you in capturing me. I am off the grid. You better use your feet, tongue and every available DOD/ NON-DOD HUMINT agency, contractor to find me. I know your route to and from home, and your division. I know your significant others routine, your children's best friends and recess. I know Your Sancha's gym hours and routine. I assure you that the casualty rate will be high.

Yeah. It's one thing to threaten a dirty cop. It's another thing to threaten his/her children as well as his/her children's friends.

You aren't going to gain much sympathy for your cause that way. I don't doubt any allies he might have had still in the force turned their backs to him the moment he began to target innocents.
 
2013-02-13 08:55:15 AM

skinink: Wow, even that dude in Norway who massacred 77 people across the the country got his day in court. It's stuff  like what the police just did in burning up Dorner instead of bringing him to justice makes America look like a Third World Nation. No wonder people love to hate on cops h


Anders Behring Breivik wanted his day in court. Dorner didn't and was simply trying to murder as many people as he could. He had many opportunities to give himself up and get a nice long trial and bask in the glory that all the authority haters in this country would have poured on him. That's not what he wanted.

The system works
 
2013-02-13 08:55:34 AM

SirVagTheTighty: IamKaiserSoze!!!: USP .45: Bathsalt: Dorner made it abundantly clear that he wasn't going to be taken alive! He had no interest in due process or he would have chosen a different path and either surrendered (even after the fire started) or taken LAPD to court. He decided to take as many with him as he could .

so drunk and aggressive suspects who clearly are not interested in due process should just be shot.

If they threatened to kill people, killed people and were still trying to kill people, then yes.

Yes they should be put down quickly in any manner possible. He had his chances for due process and rejected them in favor of taking out more people.

Where was the handwringing for Jimmy Lee Sykes when they took him out last month? How was one POS different than the other?

And I doubt many tears would have been shed if Adam Lawton, Jared Laughner or James Holmes was taken out in the midst of their rampage.

Apparently the difference was those people weren't killing cops.  You all could have a little compassion for someone that goes to work every day knowing they may die to help you.  But apparently a lot of you have gotten a dui or a speeding ticket you didn't think you deserved so fark yea kill cops or something.


Police use lethal force until the threat of inbound lethal force stops. Dorner was cornered and wounded, and wasn't killed by an exchange of gunfire. What was the threat at the time that justified what was almost certainly going to take a life? What is the harm in a multi-day standoff?
 
2013-02-13 08:56:01 AM

mekki: You aren't going to gain much sympathy for your cause that way. I don't doubt any allies he might have had still in the force turned their backs to him the moment he began to target innocents.


Which is funny because the LAPD targeted innocents, too. Newspaper ladies, surfer dude, etc.

I guess it's only okay when they do it.
 
2013-02-13 08:56:24 AM

SirVagTheTighty: PoTBoT: Mid_mo_mad_man: heili skrimsli: Mid_mo_mad_man: You are exactly what's wrong with the USA. The cops he shot Tuesday would have arrested him without a hitch if he wanted that. Just because he's black doesn't make him a victim

This has nothing to do with what color he is and everything to do with the fact that I still believe in a nation that exists under the rule of law in which every person is presumed innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt as judged by a jury of his or her peers.

I don't think that the police should have rules of engagement that are more permissive than those afforded to actual soldiers in combat as if the police are at war with the rest of the citizens. I think enacting a plan to burn a man alive is repugnant, cruel, unusual, and should be called murder, and I don't think that changes because of what that man is accused of doing.

That is not what is 'wrong' with America. There are places where such despotic and tyrannical actions are socially acceptable so long as the perpetrator of those actions wears a uniform, places like Somalia where there is no rule of law. Perhaps you should move to one of those societies more to your liking.

He shot first Tuesday. He took the law into own hands. The cops did not violate his rights. And yes the outrage has every thing to do with his skin color. Blacks in the USA think everyone is holding them back. They are the only ones causing thier troubles.

Perhaps sometime you will be accused and sentenced by someone who is not by law able or qualified. No jury of your peers, just a few cops. I will still care and fight for your rights under the constitution, even if its someone as ignorant as you.

I am sure the guy who killed multiple people for things that had nothing to do with them,
then fled and killed other police officers that weren't even members of the department he had a beef with,
then kidnapped two ladies who had fark all to do with any of this,
then attempted to kill a god dam ..


People like you don't deserve to live in America, (if you don't then that's great!). All of this was alleged, and not vetted or verified beyond reasonable doubt by a jury of peers. They didn't even know for sure who was in the cabin. Did the two Hispanic women who had murder attempts on their lives deserve it because they allegedly drove the same model truck? No they didn't, and by your thinking they did. You owe them an apology for being so ignorant.
 
2013-02-13 08:57:20 AM

IamKaiserSoze!!!: Dorner didn't and was simply trying to murder as many people as he could. He had many opportunities to give himself up and get a nice long trial and bask in the glory that all the authority haters in this country would have poured on him. That's not what he wanted.

The system works


so just kill all the combatants at Gitmo that wished that hadn't been taken alive and don't even want a trial? that right?
 
2013-02-13 08:59:35 AM

dittybopper: BostonEMT: Bontesla: Also - was there official confirmation that Dorner was in that cabin before they set it on fire? As of last night - they believe there was a guy inside who looked like Dorner.

In unrelated news, family members state that LL Cool J has gone missing.

I heard he was going back to Cali.


I don't think so...
 
2013-02-13 08:59:48 AM

dittybopper: apoptotic: KellyKellyKelly: dittybopper: BostonEMT: Bontesla: Also - was there official confirmation that Dorner was in that cabin before they set it on fire? As of last night - they believe there was a guy inside who looked like Dorner.

In unrelated news, family members state that LL Cool J has gone missing.

I heard he was going back to Cali.

I don't think so.

He was partying in LA with Brad Paisley last night. Seriously. Paisley tweeted a picture of them "rockin' out".

That roaring sound you just heard was the joke doing a low-pass flyby of your head.


Nah I got the joke, I just had to throw that in because I saw it earlier and it struck me as odd.  Meh, never mind.
 
2013-02-13 08:59:48 AM

PoTBoT: SirVagTheTighty: PoTBoT: Mid_mo_mad_man: heili skrimsli: Mid_mo_mad_man: You are exactly what's wrong with the USA. The cops he shot Tuesday would have arrested him without a hitch if he wanted that. Just because he's black doesn't make him a victim

This has nothing to do with what color he is and everything to do with the fact that I still believe in a nation that exists under the rule of law in which every person is presumed innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt as judged by a jury of his or her peers.

I don't think that the police should have rules of engagement that are more permissive than those afforded to actual soldiers in combat as if the police are at war with the rest of the citizens. I think enacting a plan to burn a man alive is repugnant, cruel, unusual, and should be called murder, and I don't think that changes because of what that man is accused of doing.

That is not what is 'wrong' with America. There are places where such despotic and tyrannical actions are socially acceptable so long as the perpetrator of those actions wears a uniform, places like Somalia where there is no rule of law. Perhaps you should move to one of those societies more to your liking.

He shot first Tuesday. He took the law into own hands. The cops did not violate his rights. And yes the outrage has every thing to do with his skin color. Blacks in the USA think everyone is holding them back. They are the only ones causing thier troubles.

Perhaps sometime you will be accused and sentenced by someone who is not by law able or qualified. No jury of your peers, just a few cops. I will still care and fight for your rights under the constitution, even if its someone as ignorant as you.

I am sure the guy who killed multiple people for things that had nothing to do with them,
then fled and killed other police officers that weren't even members of the department he had a beef with,
then kidnapped two ladies who had fark all to do with any of this,
then attempted ...


He could of had it vetted and verified by a jury of his peers whenever he wanted.  The two Hispanic women didn't deserve it and I don't see anyone here defending that.
 
2013-02-13 09:00:08 AM

fredklein: mekki: You aren't going to gain much sympathy for your cause that way. I don't doubt any allies he might have had still in the force turned their backs to him the moment he began to target innocents.

Which is funny because the LAPD targeted innocents, too. Newspaper ladies, surfer dude, etc.

I guess it's only okay when they do it.


I don't see the LAPD gaining any sympathy for having had done that, do you?
 
2013-02-13 09:03:01 AM

PoTBoT: SirVagTheTighty: PoTBoT: Mid_mo_mad_man: heili skrimsli: Mid_mo_mad_man: You are exactly what's wrong with the USA. The cops he shot Tuesday would have arrested him without a hitch if he wanted that. Just because he's black doesn't make him a victim

This has nothing to do with what color he is and everything to do with the fact that I still believe in a nation that exists under the rule of law in which every person is presumed innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt as judged by a jury of his or her peers.

I don't think that the police should have rules of engagement that are more permissive than those afforded to actual soldiers in combat as if the police are at war with the rest of the citizens. I think enacting a plan to burn a man alive is repugnant, cruel, unusual, and should be called murder, and I don't think that changes because of what that man is accused of doing.

That is not what is 'wrong' with America. There are places where such despotic and tyrannical actions are socially acceptable so long as the perpetrator of those actions wears a uniform, places like Somalia where there is no rule of law. Perhaps you should move to one of those societies more to your liking.

He shot first Tuesday. He took the law into own hands. The cops did not violate his rights. And yes the outrage has every thing to do with his skin color. Blacks in the USA think everyone is holding them back. They are the only ones causing thier troubles.

Perhaps sometime you will be accused and sentenced by someone who is not by law able or qualified. No jury of your peers, just a few cops. I will still care and fight for your rights under the constitution, even if its someone as ignorant as you.

I am sure the guy who killed multiple people for things that had nothing to do with them,
then fled and killed other police officers that weren't even members of the department he had a beef with,
then kidnapped two ladies who had fark all to do with any of this,
then attempted ...





He chose this! He never wanted his day in court. Could have walked into any law enforcement office and surrendered.
 
2013-02-13 09:04:24 AM
Here is what I think happened:

Some annoying, a-hole cop (whom none of the other cops like) was screaming and carrying on about "burning the place down" all day. And all his buddies were like "Ron, relax... we can't just burn the place down. We have procedure and rules."

Then Dorner either set a fire, or Tear Gas canisters caused a fire, etc.

And all the cops were like "Oh great... Thanks a lot Ron. Now everyone is going to be convinced we did it on purpose."

Honestly... not sure how they could have deliberately set a fire. Police don't have any sort of incendiary rounds to purposely set fires with... Flash bangs and tear gas however can get extremely hot and ignite combustable materials.
 
2013-02-13 09:04:45 AM
I was going to go with something about Ash Wednesday, but whatever.
 
2013-02-13 09:04:48 AM
Why is everybody blaming the LAPD for the BBQ? This happened in San Bernandino, right?
Blame the right cops for the right corrupt actions.
IIRC, it was not LAPD that shot up the wrong pickup, either, but I'm not sure about that.
 
2013-02-13 09:06:18 AM

ZackDanger: Here is what I think happened:

Some annoying, a-hole cop (whom none of the other cops like) was screaming and carrying on about "burning the place down" all day. And all his buddies were like "Ron, relax... we can't just burn the place down. We have procedure and rules."

Then Dorner either set a fire, or Tear Gas canisters caused a fire, etc.

And all the cops were like "Oh great... Thanks a lot Ron. Now everyone is going to be convinced we did it on purpose."

Honestly... not sure how they could have deliberately set a fire. Police don't have any sort of incendiary rounds to purposely set fires with... Flash bangs and tear gas however can get extremely hot and ignite combustable materials.


That's also plausible. I think I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt until the facts are all in. Maybe they accidentally set the fire with tear gas, maybe they intentionally set it, maybe Dorner did. He did torch a truck, after all, so arson is kinda his thing.
 
2013-02-13 09:06:30 AM
Mid_mo_mad_man:


Moron at large
 
2013-02-13 09:07:02 AM

gregscott: Why is everybody blaming the LAPD for the BBQ? This happened in San Bernandino, right?
Blame the right cops for the right corrupt actions.
IIRC, it was not LAPD that shot up the wrong pickup, either, but I'm not sure about that.


They want to believe this guy had some inside info on some great conspiracy that he kept to himself for 5 years and all the law enforcement officers, regardless of what department, were all in on this huge conspiracy to silence him before the info got out.
 
2013-02-13 09:07:25 AM

gregscott: Why is everybody blaming the LAPD for the BBQ? This happened in San Bernandino, right?
Blame the right cops for the right corrupt actions.
IIRC, it was not LAPD that shot up the wrong pickup, either, but I'm not sure about that.


LA County sent in choppers and dropped off what might have been LAPD SWAT... uninvited.

Also, While Torrance police shot up the black truck, it was LAPD that shot up the newspaper delivery women in the bright blue truck.
 
2013-02-13 09:07:51 AM
SirVagTheTighty:


People like you are just going to keep drinking the government koolaid, and there's nothing I can do about that unfortunately. So i'll leave it at that.
 
2013-02-13 09:10:42 AM
I was hoping for a headline that either included:

a) DIAF

b) something something 'and then spends eternity burning in hell.'
 
2013-02-13 09:10:54 AM

PoTBoT: SirVagTheTighty:


People like you are just going to keep drinking the government koolaid, and there's nothing I can do about that unfortunately. So i'll leave it at that.


The police don't have to be good for Dorner to be bad.  It's ok to be sickened by both.
 
2013-02-13 09:13:33 AM

The Muthaship:
The police don't have to be good for Dorner to be bad.  It's ok to be sickened by both.


^ so much THIS ^

1. Dorner is a despicable murderer, and news of his demise will be most welcomed.
2. The LAPD certainly has some 'splainin to do.

The two are separate thoughts.
 
2013-02-13 09:15:03 AM
so much for guy fawkes
 
2013-02-13 09:15:09 AM
The freepers are a bunch of farking stupid ass morons.

Yesterday they were all pissed off because they thought Dorner was becoming some kind of leftist hero, now they are on his side as the LAPD is pulling out all the stops to kill the guy, since he probably will not let himself be taken alive.
 
2013-02-13 09:15:55 AM

ZackDanger: Here is what I think happened:

Some annoying, a-hole cop (whom none of the other cops like) was screaming and carrying on about "burning the place down" all day. And all his buddies were like "Ron, relax... we can't just burn the place down. We have procedure and rules."

Then Dorner either set a fire, or Tear Gas canisters caused a fire, etc.

And all the cops were like "Oh great... Thanks a lot Ron. Now everyone is going to be convinced we did it on purpose."

Honestly... not sure how they could have deliberately set a fire. Police don't have any sort of incendiary rounds to purposely set fires with... Flash bangs and tear gas however can get extremely hot and ignite combustable materials.


Yep, that's likely going to be their story verbatim. Or Ron did it.

It's pretty easy to set a wood building on fire, in numerous ways with things they would have had ready access to, even at range.
 
2013-02-13 09:17:26 AM
Nobody involved in this was a choirboy, just bad and worse.

From the cops' point of view, Dorner was an active killer on the loose. Burning him alive was a tactical expedient and likely saved some more lives, wrong as it appears. Dorner was right; he got screwed over, the cops are corrupt and racist, but he was also a broken person who murdered people because whah-whah life is so unfair and his sense of entitlement drove him to rage killings. He needed to be taken out.
 
2013-02-13 09:17:54 AM

ZackDanger: Here is what I think happened:

Some annoying, a-hole cop (whom none of the other cops like) was screaming and carrying on about "burning the place down" all day. And all his buddies were like "Ron, relax... we can't just burn the place down. We have procedure and rules."

Then Dorner either set a fire, or Tear Gas canisters caused a fire, etc.

And all the cops were like "Oh great... Thanks a lot Ron. Now everyone is going to be convinced we did it on purpose."

Honestly... not sure how they could have deliberately set a fire. Police don't have any sort of incendiary rounds to purposely set fires with... Flash bangs and tear gas however can get extremely hot and ignite combustable materials.




Given all the weird stuff LAPD confiscates on a daily basis, I wouldn't put it past them to have at least a couple flamethrowers sitting around.
 
2013-02-13 09:18:21 AM

Jake Havechek: The freepers are a bunch of farking stupid ass morons.

Yesterday they were all pissed off because they thought Dorner was becoming some kind of leftist hero, now they are on his side as the LAPD is pulling out all the stops to kill the guy, since he probably will not let himself be taken alive.


Are you drunk?
 
2013-02-13 09:18:26 AM

nekom: The Muthaship:
The police don't have to be good for Dorner to be bad.  It's ok to be sickened by both.

^ so much THIS ^

1. Dorner is a despicable murderer, and news of his demise will be most welcomed.
2. The LAPD certainly has some 'splainin to do.

The two are separate thoughts.


th36.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-13 09:20:19 AM

The Muthaship: The police don't have to be good for Dorner to be bad.


The enemy of my enemy is my friend.
 
2013-02-13 09:20:22 AM

Mid_mo_mad_man: He chose this! He never wanted his day in court. Could have walked into any law enforcement office and surrendered.


well for 5 years he tried to work within the system. all that got him was fired and blacklisted.
but yeah he could have turned himself in.
he could have just let it go, like all those before him
 
2013-02-13 09:20:28 AM

nekom: The Muthaship:
The police don't have to be good for Dorner to be bad.  It's ok to be sickened by both.

^ so much THIS ^

1. Dorner is a despicable murderer, and news of his demise will be most welcomed.
2. The LAPD certainly has some 'splainin to do.

The two are separate thoughts.


I think you both said what I was thinking much better than I have.....

I don't see any obligation for the cops to risk additional injury here.  Light it up and if he chooses not to come out thats on him......  If he came out unarmed and they shot him I'd be with all you condemning them.  Either way I'll still condemn them for the numerous things they farked up here, and I hope people are held accountable.  I just don't see any problem with the resolution.
 
2013-02-13 09:22:47 AM

PoTBoT: ZackDanger: Here is what I think happened:

Some annoying, a-hole cop (whom none of the other cops like) was screaming and carrying on about "burning the place down" all day. And all his buddies were like "Ron, relax... we can't just burn the place down. We have procedure and rules."

Then Dorner either set a fire, or Tear Gas canisters caused a fire, etc.

And all the cops were like "Oh great... Thanks a lot Ron. Now everyone is going to be convinced we did it on purpose."

Honestly... not sure how they could have deliberately set a fire. Police don't have any sort of incendiary rounds to purposely set fires with... Flash bangs and tear gas however can get extremely hot and ignite combustable materials.

Yep, that's likely going to be their story verbatim. Or Ron did it.

It's pretty easy to set a wood building on fire, in numerous ways with things they would have had ready access to, even at range.


Officer #1: It's a wooden building in a pine forest, how are we supposed to set it on fire? We haven't got those kinds of tools!

Officer #2: Shoot, you're right. I guess we'll have to find a different solution. Maybe we could have some lumberjacks fell some of these trees onto the structure.
 
2013-02-13 09:27:38 AM

nekom: 1. Dorner is a despicable murderer, and news of his demise will be most welcomed.
2. The LAPD certainly has some 'splainin to do.

The two are separate thoughts.



But you wouldn't currently know #2 if it weren't for #1. His "despicable" actions brought attention to the LAPD's even more despicable actions.

Isn't it true that it's okay to break the law, for a greater purpose? Kill one to save 10, that sort of thing?
 
2013-02-13 09:28:49 AM
I'm having one or two questions about this, which are based on the unconfirmed reports that Dorner tried to get out the back door and was pushed back in. If this is true, why didn't they just capture him at that moment?

All the reports seem to take the position that they're not entirely positive that Dorner was the one inside the cabin. If they didn't know for sure it was him, why would they push someone who might not be him back into a burning building?

This just doesn't make sense. Of course, this part of the story is kind of spotty anyway.
 
2013-02-13 09:32:16 AM

mekki: I don't see the LAPD gaining any sympathy for having had done that, do you?


Los Angeles Police Chief Charlie Beck will provide a new truck to two women injured by officers in pursuit of fugitive ex-cop Christopher Jordan Dorner...
Beck has called the incident "a tragic misinterpretation" by officers working under "incredible tension"


'Feel sorry for us, we're under incredible tension. blah blah blah.'
 
2013-02-13 09:33:03 AM

All Latest: Tony_Pepperoni: friedlinx: AverageAmericanGuy: You almost want to root for Dorner to come out of this unscathed just to put his thumb in the LAPD's eye.

^THIS^

^THAT^

^THOSE^



^^^ ALL OF THESE ^^^
 
2013-02-13 09:33:13 AM

Kit Fister: I also have yet to see any proof that Dorner was anything but *accused* of killing the chick and her fiance.


Maybe it was a one-armed man that done it.
 
2013-02-13 09:33:16 AM

fredklein: nekom: 1. Dorner is a despicable murderer, and news of his demise will be most welcomed.
2. The LAPD certainly has some 'splainin to do.

The two are separate thoughts.


But you wouldn't currently know #2 if it weren't for #1. His "despicable" actions brought attention to the LAPD's even more despicable actions.

Isn't it true that it's okay to break the law, for a greater purpose? Kill one to save 10, that sort of thing?


The ends justify the means? In this case, I'd say that's AT BEST highly debatable. It's not as if this is the first time the LAPD has gotten bad PR. What he was mostly on about was his own firing, which apparently most people in the know are saying was right and proper. He wasn't some Robin Hood out to change the system, he was just mad because he lost his job. The fallout from the LAPD and other shooting of unarmed, unrelated people could be pretty big, but I'm not going to thank Dorner for pointing out their incompetence, especially when that wasn't his intention in the first place.
 
2013-02-13 09:33:26 AM

MacWizard: I'm having one or two questions about this, which are based on the unconfirmed reports that Dorner tried to get out the back door and was pushed back in. If this is true, why didn't they just capture him at that moment?

All the reports seem to take the position that they're not entirely positive that Dorner was the one inside the cabin. If they didn't know for sure it was him, why would they push someone who might not be him back into a burning building?

This just doesn't make sense. Of course, this part of the story is kind of spotty anyway.


I'll give you all that..... Depending what comes out about that I could change my opinion, what has been said seems to be pretty damn unverified and imaginative though.
 
2013-02-13 09:34:32 AM
*Tis hot

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2013-02-13 09:36:53 AM

nekom: fredklein: nekom: 1. Dorner is a despicable murderer, and news of his demise will be most welcomed.
2. The LAPD certainly has some 'splainin to do.

The two are separate thoughts.


But you wouldn't currently know #2 if it weren't for #1. His "despicable" actions brought attention to the LAPD's even more despicable actions.

Isn't it true that it's okay to break the law, for a greater purpose? Kill one to save 10, that sort of thing?

The ends justify the means? In this case, I'd say that's AT BEST highly debatable. It's not as if this is the first time the LAPD has gotten bad PR. What he was mostly on about was his own firing, which apparently most people in the know are saying was right and proper. He wasn't some Robin Hood out to change the system, he was just mad because he lost his job. The fallout from the LAPD and other shooting of unarmed, unrelated people could be pretty big, but I'm not going to thank Dorner for pointing out their incompetence, especially when that wasn't his intention in the first place.


I am mailing you a present friday btw.  This isn't related to this thread, I thought something got mailed to you over a month ago and apparently it has been sitting next to my couch.  I want to add something since it has been so long.
 
2013-02-13 09:39:08 AM

fredklein: nekom: 1. Dorner is a despicable murderer, and news of his demise will be most welcomed.
2. The LAPD certainly has some 'splainin to do.

The two are separate thoughts.


But you wouldn't currently know #2 if it weren't for #1. His "despicable" actions brought attention to the LAPD's even more despicable actions.

Isn't it true that it's okay to break the law, for a greater purpose? Kill one to save 10, that sort of thing?


So killing innocent people is justified if you are taking on the man. What the hell internet? This ain't a comic book.
 
2013-02-13 09:44:23 AM

MacWizard: I'm having one or two questions about this, which are based on the unconfirmed reports that Dorner tried to get out the back door and was pushed back in. If this is true, why didn't they just capture him at that moment?

All the reports seem to take the position that they're not entirely positive that Dorner was the one inside the cabin. If they didn't know for sure it was him, why would they push someone who might not be him back into a burning building?

This just doesn't make sense. Of course, this part of the story is kind of spotty anyway.


You don't "push someone back in" to a building who you are trying to apprehend. And realistically, say what you will, even the cops that "wanted him dead" know that their duty is to apprehend.

I think what is more likely is that Dorner tried to leave out the back, saw there were cops there giving him orders to lay on the ground, etc, and then Dorner turned around and went back inside.

If the plan was to kill him all along, why wouldn't they just shoot him when he came out the door?
 
2013-02-13 09:45:03 AM

Kit Fister: I also have yet to see any proof that Dorner was anything but *accused* of killing the chick and her fiance. As far as death of cops go? I really have a very hard time giving a shiat.


So, to be clear...
If a human being is not wearing a badge, you care if they die.
As soon as a human is sworn in to serve the public you couldn't give a shiat if they were murdered while doing their job.

Dorner could have done any number of things to shame the LAPD without killing people. He seems to know at least a little bit about using the internet, and there's plenty of youtube channels out there with people filming cops.
 
2013-02-13 09:46:01 AM
www.peacheschrist.com
 
2013-02-13 09:49:18 AM

nekom: He wasn't some Robin Hood out to change the system, he was just mad because he lost his job.


He lost his job because he reported another cop for kicking a suspect in the face. The Board Of Review that looked at his firing was filled with personal friends of the cop he accused.

You don't see anything wrong with any of that?
 
2013-02-13 09:51:04 AM

Big Man On Campus: Kit Fister: I also have yet to see any proof that Dorner was anything but *accused* of killing the chick and her fiance. As far as death of cops go? I really have a very hard time giving a shiat.

So, to be clear...
If a human being is not wearing a badge, you care if they die.
As soon as a human is sworn in to serve the public you couldn't give a shiat if they were murdered while doing their job.

Dorner could have done any number of things to shame the LAPD without killing people. He seems to know at least a little bit about using the internet, and there's plenty of youtube channels out there with people filming cops.




You would think if he was wrongly fired LA would have at least one lawyer willing to file suit for him. He could have shamed the LAPD and made a fortune if his claims were legit
 
2013-02-13 09:51:36 AM
The cops burned him for the same reason the US burned tens of thousands of men, women, and children at Hiroshima and Nagasaki. To save lives.
 
2013-02-13 09:51:53 AM

fredklein: nekom: He wasn't some Robin Hood out to change the system, he was just mad because he lost his job.

He lost his job because he reported another cop for kicking a suspect in the face. The Board Of Review that looked at his firing was filled with personal friends of the cop he accused.

You don't see anything wrong with any of that?


I don't see anything that warrants the death penalty for unrelated people, no. That's the kind of shiat you go to Dateline with, or other media outlets. If he did have a valid beef, it will be forever forgotten because of his actions.
 
2013-02-13 09:52:02 AM

LowbrowDeluxe: salsashark1: Hero.

Pure and simple.

Mad dog.  Simple.  Doesn't make the pack that took him down any less rabid.


Best turn of phrase I have read regarding this whole event. I could not agree more.
 
2013-02-13 09:56:23 AM

The Muthaship: The police don't have to be good for Dorner to be bad. It's ok to be sickened by both.


This. Far too many people in the country live in a simple little world where every conflict is divided up into Good Guys vs Bad Guys. Here's a newsflash: there were NO "Good Guys" in this story. This was a case of Bad Guy vs Bad Guys. The outrage here is NOT that a Bad Guy got killed. It's that the people we expected to BE the Good Guys failed miserably at it.
 
2013-02-13 09:56:43 AM

ZackDanger: You don't "push someone back in" to a building who you are trying to apprehend. And realistically, say what you will, even the cops that "wanted him dead" know that their duty is to apprehend.


right? the claim that he was pushed back in is pretty laughable. Like the PD would get close enough to get their hands on him (or the Dorner would let them get close enough so he could be handled) and shove him back in just to light him up for a slow burning death. perhaps they also gave him a purple nurple or a wet willie as they were shooing him back in, just to be crass.
 
2013-02-13 09:57:07 AM

fredklein: nekom: He wasn't some Robin Hood out to change the system, he was just mad because he lost his job.

He lost his job because he reported another cop for kicking a suspect in the face. The Board Of Review that looked at his firing was filled with personal friends of the cop he accused.

You don't see anything wrong with any of that?


Yes.  However, I stopped having any sympathy for him whatsoever when he killed four people, stole a car, and then took two people hostage.  People need to quit acting like this guy is some farking hero, because he's not.  If you have a beef with a former employer, the correct course of action is NOT murder, grand theft auto, kidnapping, and arson.  I don't doubt for once second the LAPD is corrupt as hell.  I think a lot of what he alleged in his manifesto has a basis in reality.  That doesn't mean because he might have had a point, all the carnage he ravished upon the landscape should be forgiven.  I don't feel sorry for him, and anyone who does has problems.
 
2013-02-13 10:01:24 AM
All we know is that no one knows nothing. Good work.
 
2013-02-13 10:03:03 AM

Hobodeluxe: Mid_mo_mad_man: He chose this! He never wanted his day in court. Could have walked into any law enforcement office and surrendered.

well for 5 years he tried to work within the system. all that got him was fired and blacklisted.
but yeah he could have turned himself in.
he could have just let it go, like all those before him


And thus begins the rewriting of history to create a new farklib legend.

The LATimes has a great timeline series of articles on this. If you were to read them you would see that you are wrong, but I think you already know you are.
 
2013-02-13 10:04:56 AM

qualtrough: The cops burned him for the same reason the US burned tens of thousands of men, women, and children at Hiroshima and Nagasaki. To save lives.


Bullshiat.  He was one man, he can't stay awake forever, they easily could have watched him with thermal imagers, waited for him to sleep, then drilled a small hole in the cabin, pumped it full of knock out gas, then taken their time to enter while checking for traps and apprehended him.

This was deliberate, vengeful murder on the part of the police.
 
2013-02-13 10:06:12 AM
Whatever happened to waiting until there was an actual story before writing about it?
 
2013-02-13 10:08:04 AM

qualtrough: The cops burned him for the same reason the US burned tens of thousands of men, women, and children at Hiroshima and Nagasaki. To save lives.



More likely for the same reason that Janet Reno and the ATF burned all of those people (including innocent children) alive at Waco: To send a message: Don't you DARE disrespect our AUTHORITAY!


media.brainz.org

/FTFY


/Learn your lesson, Citizens?
 
2013-02-13 10:08:13 AM
15 hours later and not only will they not state if they do or don't have their man, I haven't even heard them confirm for sure that there IS a body in the cabin. Sometimes it's a "source" saying ti's for sure, sometimes it's "unconfirmed".
 
2013-02-13 10:09:38 AM

qualtrough: The cops burned him for the same reason the US burned tens of thousands of men, women, and children at Hiroshima and Nagasaki. To save lives.


Dorner bombed Pearl Harbor?
 
2013-02-13 10:09:40 AM

Coco LaFemme: I don't doubt for once second the LAPD is corrupt as hell. I think a lot of what he alleged in his manifesto has a basis in reality. That doesn't mean because he might have had a point, all the carnage he ravished upon the landscape should be forgiven. I don't feel sorry for him, and anyone who does has problems.


yeah but didn't you see V for Vendetta yo?
 
2013-02-13 10:09:40 AM

trappedspirit: Whatever happened to waiting until there was an actual story before writing about it?


The race to be the first news outlet to break news stories happened, which in turn happened because of the news outlets' quest for higher ratings at all costs.

/see also CNN and Fox rushing to be the first station to announce that Obamacare had been ruled unconstitutional
 
2013-02-13 10:10:59 AM
I think comparing this to Waco is a fairly disgusting cheapening of the tragedy that happened there.  Regardless of who was actually in the cabin, that person killed a police officer.  The kids at Waco were actually innocent.
 
2013-02-13 10:11:55 AM

Big Man On Campus: Dorner could have done any number of things to shame the LAPD without killing people.


Engen said the couple recently moved into the condominium complex. The parking structure requires a key-code for entry and there are security cameras throughout the complex, a resident told the Los Angeles Times.

And Dorner appears to have "published" his manifesto after he killed Quan and Lawrence.
I want to know if he had any other connection to Monica Quan in addition to knowing her father.
 
2013-02-13 10:12:47 AM

quatchi: reggaejunkiejew: the cabin caught fire "accidentally from a flash grenade". What a bunch of Baloney.

Alternate theory...

[i293.photobucket.com image 658x493]


www.thehighschoolconservative.com

Why DID make all the media helicopters leave the area?

/Just asking stupid questions.
 
2013-02-13 10:14:22 AM

NutWrench: The Muthaship: The police don't have to be good for Dorner to be bad. It's ok to be sickened by both.

This. Far too many people in the country live in a simple little world where every conflict is divided up into Good Guys vs Bad Guys. Here's a newsflash: there were NO "Good Guys" in this story. This was a case of Bad Guy vs Bad Guys. The outrage here is NOT that a Bad Guy got killed. It's that the people we expected to BE the Good Guys failed miserably at it.


And that MOST of the bad guys will get away.
And that they will CONTINUE to be bad guys.
And that they will NEVER be held accountable for their crimes.


/But for me, the biggest outrage of all is that We, the People will just accept it as "normal".
 
2013-02-13 10:14:34 AM

The Muthaship: I think comparing this to Waco is a fairly disgusting cheapening of the tragedy that happened there.  Regardless of who was actually in the cabin, that person killed a police officer.  The kids at Waco were actually innocent.


But who actually started the fire?

Nobody knows, or will ever know the truth.
 
2013-02-13 10:16:31 AM

Jake Havechek: But who actually started the fire?


Either way, it's a cheap and inaccurate comparison made by disingenuous people.
 
2013-02-13 10:16:33 AM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: qualtrough: The cops burned him for the same reason the US burned tens of thousands of men, women, and children at Hiroshima and Nagasaki. To save lives.

Bullshiat.  He was one man, he can't stay awake forever, they easily could have watched him with thermal imagers, waited for him to sleep, then drilled a small hole in the cabin, pumped it full of knock out gas, then taken their time to enter while checking for traps and apprehended him.

This was deliberate, vengeful murder on the part of the police.


They didn;t know whether he had a hostage or not.....the Alabama hostage situation involved waiting it out for 5 days or so. Dorner was surrounded, the cabin was beseiged, the cops had plenty of time to wait it out like they do in almost every other situation.
 
2013-02-13 10:16:39 AM

styckx: The Shatner Incident: Does anyone think that law enforcement set the place on fire to kill him a la Waco?

/considering the state of LE, I don't doubt it.

Anyone listening to the police scanner heard it and there are numerous recordings (I just posted a transcript of part of it) of it posted eveywhere of one of the cops directing them to burn the farker down..


Was he talking to a man named Pookie?
 
2013-02-13 10:17:13 AM

HindiDiscoMonster: Well... due process was nice while it lasted...


If you are shooting at cops when the attempt to arrest you, your right to due process is unilaterally waived.

You only get due process if you are compliant enough to be taken into custody.
 
2013-02-13 10:19:30 AM

Jake Havechek: The Muthaship: I think comparing this to Waco is a fairly disgusting cheapening of the tragedy that happened there.  Regardless of who was actually in the cabin, that person killed a police officer.  The kids at Waco were actually innocent.

But who actually started the fire?

Nobody knows, or will ever know the truth.


LAPD just addressed this to the press:   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFTLKWw542g
 
2013-02-13 10:20:36 AM

ZackDanger: MacWizard: I'm having one or two questions about this, which are based on the unconfirmed reports that Dorner tried to get out the back door and was pushed back in. If this is true, why didn't they just capture him at that moment?

All the reports seem to take the position that they're not entirely positive that Dorner was the one inside the cabin. If they didn't know for sure it was him, why would they push someone who might not be him back into a burning building?

This just doesn't make sense. Of course, this part of the story is kind of spotty anyway.

You don't "push someone back in" to a building who you are trying to apprehend. And realistically, say what you will, even the cops that "wanted him dead" know that their duty is to apprehend.

I think what is more likely is that Dorner tried to leave out the back, saw there were cops there giving him orders to lay on the ground, etc, and then Dorner turned around and went back inside.

If the plan was to kill him all along, why wouldn't they just shoot him when he came out the door?


I agree with your logic, but...

"At some point today, a suspect tried to get out the back door of the cabin, but he was pushed back inside, U.S. Marshals Service district chief Kurt Ellingson told CNN's Brian Todd."
 
2013-02-13 10:21:06 AM

CowboyUpCowgirlDown: HindiDiscoMonster: Well... due process was nice while it lasted...

If you are shooting at cops when the attempt to arrest you, your right to due process is unilaterally waived.

You only get due process if you are compliant enough to be taken into custody.


How many times did the 2 women in the pickup truck shoot at police? How many times did the white guy in the pick up truck shoot at police before they rammed his truck off the road and started shooting him.

The police did not even request these people pull over. They tried to execute the drivers of the vehicle who they thought were Dorner.

The actions by police involved (not just LAPD since we have multiple police departments shooting first and asking questions later) are kind of on the pathetic, murderous, thuggish side.
 
2013-02-13 10:21:15 AM

The Muthaship: I think comparing this to Waco is a fairly disgusting cheapening of the tragedy that happened there.  Regardless of who was actually in the cabin, that person killed a police officer.  The kids at Waco were actually innocent.



You need to re-read my post in context.

I was not implying that the occupant of the cabin was necessarily innocent, I was emphasizing that the torching of both structures was done out of vindictiveness, spite and as a show of POWER - to send a message to all of us.
 
2013-02-13 10:23:25 AM

ZackDanger: If the plan was to kill him all along, why wouldn't they just shoot him when he came out the door?


Because being burned alive is more painful and takes longer than getting popped in the head by a sniper which is pretty instantaneous.
 
2013-02-13 10:23:31 AM

nekom: The ends justify the means? In this case, I'd say that's AT BEST highly debatable.


No- Necessity.
In U.S. criminal law, necessity may be either a possible justification or an exculpation for breaking the law. Defendants seeking to rely on this defense argue that they should not be held liable for their actions as a crime because their conduct was necessary to prevent some greater harm and when that conduct is not excused under some other more specific provision of law such as self defense.
...
If a fire or flood is threatening to spread out of control, it may be reasonably necessary to destroy other property to form a fire break, or to trespass on land to throw up mounds of earth to prevent the water from spreading.

One could make the argument (and I'm not doing so, or saying it would necessarily work) that killing a few people to draw attention to decades of crimes (including at least some deaths) committed by the cops is necessity, because otherwise those many, many crimes (and many, many more future ones) would go unpunished.

tl;dr- he had to commit crimes to make us aware of the more and worse crimes cops commit daily
 
2013-02-13 10:25:48 AM

mikemil828: So killing innocent people is justified if you are taking on the man. What the hell internet? This ain't a comic book.


Firstly, I didn't say that.

Second, I just asked if there aren't circumstances where committing a crime is justified. I never said this case was necessarily one of those.
 
2013-02-13 10:28:05 AM

fredklein: nekom: The ends justify the means? In this case, I'd say that's AT BEST highly debatable.

No- Necessity.
In U.S. criminal law, necessity may be either a possible justification or an exculpation for breaking the law. Defendants seeking to rely on this defense argue that they should not be held liable for their actions as a crime because their conduct was necessary to prevent some greater harm and when that conduct is not excused under some other more specific provision of law such as self defense.
...
If a fire or flood is threatening to spread out of control, it may be reasonably necessary to destroy other property to form a fire break, or to trespass on land to throw up mounds of earth to prevent the water from spreading.

One could make the argument (and I'm not doing so, or saying it would necessarily work) that killing a few people to draw attention to decades of crimes (including at least some deaths) committed by the cops is necessity, because otherwise those many, many crimes (and many, many more future ones) would go unpunished.

tl;dr- he had to commit crimes to make us aware of the more and worse crimes cops commit daily


Well, if he had surrendered, he could have tried to convince a jury of that. Somehow I doubt they would buy it.
 
2013-02-13 10:29:29 AM

nekom: I don't see anything that warrants the death penalty for unrelated people, no. That's the kind of shiat you go to Dateline with, or other media outlets.


And the police would respond 'We conducted a full investigation and found his claims to not be founded', just like they do in countless other cases.

And nothing would change.

If he did have a valid beef, it will be forever forgotten because of his actions.

We're talking about it now. Were we talking about it last week?

What you're basically saying is "That damn Rosa parks. Shoulda just moved to the back of the bus. By arguing with the bus driver and cops, her legitimate beef will be forever forgotten..."
 
2013-02-13 10:29:33 AM

Jake Havechek: But who actually started the fire?


1.bp.blogspot.com

Wanted for questioning.
 
2013-02-13 10:29:47 AM
Tis a shame he could not have held out until August and this had all gone down during:

http://www.burningman.com/">http://www.burningman.com/

Then we'd have seen some real puns fly
 
2013-02-13 10:32:29 AM

The Muthaship: Jake Havechek: But who actually started the fire?

Either way, it's a cheap and inaccurate comparison made by disingenuous people.


But comparing it to Hiroshima and Nagasaki was TOTALLY cool, right?

From my post above - IN CONTEXT:


qualtrough: The cops burned him for the same reason the US burned tens of thousands of men, women, and children at Hiroshima and Nagasaki. To save lives.


Amos Quito: More likely for the same reason that Janet Reno and the ATF burned all of those people (including innocent children) alive at Waco: To send a message: Don't you DARE disrespect our AUTHORITAY!

Disingenuous? Cheap?
 
2013-02-13 10:33:28 AM

Giltric: ZackDanger: If the plan was to kill him all along, why wouldn't they just shoot him when he came out the door?

Because being burned alive is more painful and takes longer than getting popped in the head by a sniper which is pretty instantaneous.


Actually, I'm pretty sure that you end up dying from smoke inhalation/asphyxiation before you burn to death in most house fires.
 
2013-02-13 10:35:19 AM

CowboyUpCowgirlDown: HindiDiscoMonster: Well... due process was nice while it lasted...

If you are shooting at cops when the attempt to arrest you, your right to due process is unilaterally waived.

You only get due process if you are compliant enough to be taken into custody.


False.

Outside of declared war-
If you are currently not an imminent threat to anyone, there is no legal recourse but to attempt to apprehend you alive, anything else is summary execution.

The police in this case have proved at least twice their policy is to shoot first and ask questions later, much to the public's outrage when it's not been Dorner at all, more so to the people who were fired upon, 2 females and a white straight couple who's vehicles were not a match, but a vague semblance of Dorner's.
(If heads don't roll over this alone, I won't be surprised if another Dorner pops up)

The situation is no different here.  No positive ID was ever made.  For all we know it could have been a hobo that busted into the cabin or a squatter that's been there for days but was currently passed out from booze or starvation.

The flaw all along is that enforcers of the law have used simple assumption born of irrational fear and not clear factual information.
 
2013-02-13 10:36:13 AM

dr.zaeus: Giltric: ZackDanger: If the plan was to kill him all along, why wouldn't they just shoot him when he came out the door?

Because being burned alive is more painful and takes longer than getting popped in the head by a sniper which is pretty instantaneous.

Actually, I'm pretty sure that you end up dying from smoke inhalation/asphyxiation before you burn to death in most house fires.


Not when you have SCUBA gear.
 
2013-02-13 10:36:57 AM

nekom: Well, if he had surrendered, he could have tried to convince a jury of that. Somehow I doubt they would buy it.


Judging from how the cops treated people they merely thought might maybe possiblybe Dorner:

www.pslweb.org
extras.mnginteractive.com

I feel pretty sure he would not have made it to trial, no matter how peaceably he surrendered.
 
2013-02-13 10:37:10 AM
 Damn, gonna miss shark week.
 
2013-02-13 10:37:12 AM
Anyone else find this whole thing really suspicious? I mean, they sure went out of there way to look for the guy, when there are guys out there a hell of a lot worse who are running around wanted. Almost as if Dorner was telling the truth about the corruption
 
2013-02-13 10:39:23 AM
 
2013-02-13 10:39:55 AM
i45.tinypic.com
 
2013-02-13 10:40:22 AM

Giltric: BraveNewCheneyWorld: qualtrough: The cops burned him for the same reason the US burned tens of thousands of men, women, and children at Hiroshima and Nagasaki. To save lives.

Bullshiat.  He was one man, he can't stay awake forever, they easily could have watched him with thermal imagers, waited for him to sleep, then drilled a small hole in the cabin, pumped it full of knock out gas, then taken their time to enter while checking for traps and apprehended him.

This was deliberate, vengeful murder on the part of the police.

They didn;t know whether he had a hostage or not.....the Alabama hostage situation involved waiting it out for 5 days or so. Dorner was surrounded, the cabin was beseiged, the cops had plenty of time to wait it out like they do in almost every other situation.


There were also numerous reports that the cops surrounding the cabin injured each other in a friendly fire incident - which seems to have been picked up by some of the live coverage. One of the friendly fire shots likely resulted in the death of one officer.

Needless to say - safety or concern for procedure were not priorities.
 
2013-02-13 10:40:54 AM
Anyone got a screencap of CNN yesterday when it said "Explosives Fired Into Cabin" in nice big letters as the place burned down?

/FEDERAL investigation is needed
/State & local authorities have too much vested in the outcome to be impartial
 
2013-02-13 10:41:14 AM

Amos Quito: But comparing it to Hiroshima and Nagasaki was TOTALLY cool, right?


I didn't think it was cool.  I was a bit put off by it.  But, at least conceptually it is was sound.  There was a real risk of him killing more people, his death prevented that.  Although, if they wanted to kill him, throwing tear gas canisters in was an odd way to go about it.

Amos Quito: Disingenuous? Cheap?


Absolutely.  Not comparable, and meant to evoke an disparately emotional response.
 
2013-02-13 10:41:29 AM

machoprogrammer: Anyone else find this whole thing really suspicious? I mean, they sure went out of there way to look for the guy, when there are guys out there a hell of a lot worse who are running around wanted. Almost as if Dorner was telling the truth about the corruption


Oh no, the cops wanted to find someone who killed four people and was targeting relatives of cops he had problems with! THE HORROR.
 
2013-02-13 10:45:58 AM
You just know while they all sit around and "wait'' for a positive ID that they're discussing how the story should be officially told.  The victors write the history, you know.
 
2013-02-13 10:46:25 AM

Mid_mo_mad_man: You are exactly what's wrong with the USA. The cops he shot Tuesday would have arrested him without a hitch if he wanted that. Just because he's black doesn't make him a victim


You appear to be willing to accept that race is completely off the table here. You sir, are in denial. Aside from the fact that LAPD was literally terrorizing the local citizenry in what appears to be an all out rush to simply execute Dorner, there is a remaining fact that Dorner is in fact black. Perhaps, much blacker now, but we still don't yet know if he's dead yet, or what the LAPDs true motivation was. Until then, shut your pie-hole.
 
2013-02-13 10:46:31 AM

kevinatilusa: AverageAmericanGuy: You almost want to root for Dorner to come out of this unscathed just to put his thumb in the LAPD's eye.

Well, except for that whole murdering innocent people thing he had going on.  That kinda turns me off on him.


Yeah this, I think we would have gotten more support if he hadn't crossed that line.

/Kill the bastards, not innocent relatives
 
2013-02-13 10:48:05 AM
Hot piss, just listened to all the audio. I wonder what the police are going to say, if anything, about it.
 
2013-02-13 10:48:07 AM
I see the conspiracy theorists and cop haters have found this thread.
 
2013-02-13 10:48:15 AM

special20: there is a remaining fact that Dorner is in fact black. Perhaps, much blacker now


Had to smirk at that, despite my morning grump.

Good Jorb.
 
2013-02-13 10:48:33 AM
I know hating on the cops is Fark's favorite pastime, but it still seems weird to me there's so much defense for a psychopath who murdered some completely innocent people for his own twisted ends. Yes, protocol was violated and an investigation would not be unwarranted, but man, all this moral outrage just seems to me like spitting on his victims' graves.

He made it clear he had zero regards for the lives of innocent people. Therefore, stopping him by whatever means necessary seems appropriate to me. (and yes, I realize "necessary" regarding the fire is highly questionable. See previous paragraph).
 
2013-02-13 10:48:40 AM

Coco LaFemme: machoprogrammer: Anyone else find this whole thing really suspicious? I mean, they sure went out of there way to look for the guy, when there are guys out there a hell of a lot worse who are running around wanted. Almost as if Dorner was telling the truth about the corruption

Oh no, the cops wanted to find someone who killed four people and was targeting relatives of cops he had problems with! THE HORROR.


in December of 2012, there were 46 murders in Los Angeles.  How many were investigated this well, given this kind of manpower, etc.?

Yeah.  Screw the poor, the brown & black, etc...this guy went after cops.

/what he did wasn't right, just pointing out the reason many are pissed
 
2013-02-13 10:49:31 AM
He never took hostages, right. He tied up two people who found him while cleaning empty cabins and stole their vehicle before one got loose and called the cops.
 
2013-02-13 10:52:17 AM
Instead of hundreds of cops this could have been done more cost effectivly with a single armed drone.
 
2013-02-13 10:54:39 AM

Popcorn Johnny: I see the conspiracy theorists and cop haters have found this thread.


I still can't believe the majority of people haven't figured out you;re just a troll.

Naming yourself Popcorn and whatnot.....
 
2013-02-13 10:55:22 AM

All Latest: Tony_Pepperoni: friedlinx: AverageAmericanGuy: You almost want to root for Dorner to come out of this unscathed just to put his thumb in the LAPD's eye.

^THIS^

^THAT^

^THOSE^


^DEEZ^
 
2013-02-13 10:56:06 AM

jat26006: Mid_mo_mad_man:

Moron at large


farkied
 
2013-02-13 10:56:59 AM
So they torch the big, bad, black man after shooting randomly at innocents.
Way to prove his points.
 
2013-02-13 10:57:16 AM
libranoelrose: "And did you know that a burner is just cop slang for tear gas? "

And "burn that farking house down" is slang for... call the negotiator?
 
2013-02-13 10:58:09 AM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: qualtrough: The cops burned him for the same reason the US burned tens of thousands of men, women, and children at Hiroshima and Nagasaki. To save lives.

Bullshiat.  He was one man, he can't stay awake forever, they easily could have watched him with thermal imagers, waited for him to sleep, then drilled a small hole in the cabin, pumped it full of knock out gas, then taken their time to enter while checking for traps and apprehended him.

This was deliberate, vengeful murder on the part of the police.


All I can add is that someone watches way too many TV shows.  "Knock out gas"?  Seriously?  And wouldn't the drill have awakened him?

Oh, by the way, I found a tiny skin cell on a path leading to an ice cream shop.  I've now solved the murder of a very prominent person, and I did it all in under an hour, using my super computer that's hooked to every single law enforcement database in the world.  With pictures.

And if Dorner were white, none of you would give a shiat.
 
2013-02-13 10:58:32 AM

Queensowntalia: I know hating on the cops is Fark's favorite pastime, but it still seems weird to me there's so much defense for a psychopath who murdered some completely innocent people for his own twisted ends. Yes, protocol was violated and an investigation would not be unwarranted, but man, all this moral outrage just seems to me like spitting on his victims' graves.

He made it clear he had zero regards for the lives of innocent people. Therefore, stopping him by whatever means necessary seems appropriate to me. (and yes, I realize "necessary" regarding the fire is highly questionable. See previous paragraph).


He stood for fighting racism and dirty cops, and went to great lengths to bring it to attention even before resorting to what he's accused of.

We can agree with his stance on those issues yet feel another way about the likely guilt of his crimes.

The cops DID destroy two vehicles of civilians that didn't even look like him.  They've got plenty of figurative blood on their hands.

To put it another way.

Hitler says 1+1=2.  His information is accurate, no matter how heinous his crimes against humanity.

To put the cops actions in perspective, if we got twitchy and bombed Canada and the UK when we were actually looking for Hitler..

Damn right the world would condemn us for being failures, and we'd have deserved it.
 
2013-02-13 10:58:53 AM

Spartapuss: He never took hostages, right. He tied up two people who found him while cleaning empty cabins and stole their vehicle before one got loose and called the cops.


Assbite:  In the tying up process, he took them hostage.  Please see dictionary.
 
2013-02-13 11:00:38 AM

ZackDanger: MacWizard: I'm having one or two questions about this, which are based on the unconfirmed reports that Dorner tried to get out the back door and was pushed back in. If this is true, why didn't they just capture him at that moment?

All the reports seem to take the position that they're not entirely positive that Dorner was the one inside the cabin. If they didn't know for sure it was him, why would they push someone who might not be him back into a burning building?

This just doesn't make sense. Of course, this part of the story is kind of spotty anyway.

You don't "push someone back in" to a building who you are trying to apprehend. And realistically, say what you will, even the cops that "wanted him dead" know that their duty is to apprehend.

I think what is more likely is that Dorner tried to leave out the back, saw there were cops there giving him orders to lay on the ground, etc, and then Dorner turned around and went back inside.

If the plan was to kill him all along, why wouldn't they just shoot him when he came out the door?


I had not noticed this, but the story has changed.

"Earlier, we (CNN) reported that U.S. Marshals Service district chief Kurt Ellingson told us a suspect tried to get out the back door of the cabin at some point today and was pushed back inside. But there are now conflicting reports about whether the suspect ever emerged."

If Dorner never came out in the first place, why would the U.S. Marshals Service district chief tell a CNN reporter that they pushed him back inside? Granted, I don't see a lot of interviews with U.S. Marshal Service district chiefs, but one would think that it is not common for them to throw in details that never happened. Would almost be more believable if it had been clarified to your explanation -- Dorner tried to leave out the back, saw there were cops there giving him orders to lay on the ground, etc, and then Dorner turned around and went back inside.
 
2013-02-13 11:00:50 AM

SubBass49: Coco LaFemme: machoprogrammer: Anyone else find this whole thing really suspicious? I mean, they sure went out of there way to look for the guy, when there are guys out there a hell of a lot worse who are running around wanted. Almost as if Dorner was telling the truth about the corruption

Oh no, the cops wanted to find someone who killed four people and was targeting relatives of cops he had problems with! THE HORROR.

in December of 2012, there were 46 murders in Los Angeles.  How many were investigated this well, given this kind of manpower, etc.?

Yeah.  Screw the poor, the brown & black, etc...this guy went after cops.

/what he did wasn't right, just pointing out the reason many are pissed


Are you really that stupid?

Almost all of those were drug related or murders where the perp knew the victim. Not a guy who was clearly a pathologic murderer out to kill as many innocent people as he could before being taken out.

FFS, Fark should have some kind of test before they allow people to post.

If you don't see the difference then you are brain dead or an amateur troll. Your disclaimer at the end doesn't justify your post.
 
2013-02-13 11:03:01 AM

Evilhippie: So they torch the big, bad, black man after shooting randomly at innocents.
Way to prove his points.


Dorner killed and shot some cops. Dorner killed innocent people.

While the LAPD could have conducted itself better and most certainly there is corruption amongst the organization, to say that Dorner is remotely innocent or in some way a martyr is asinine. While hating cops is cool, you aren't seeming to get the fact that Dorner is no different than most modern day terrorists. You don't go around killing people as a means to effect change in a civilized society. Not only is he no better than those he condemns, he is in essence much much worse.
 
2013-02-13 11:05:20 AM
They just held a press conference ( Saw on CNN) Still on...

"We know nothing new."

Thanks for taking the time to hold a press conference.
 
2013-02-13 11:05:43 AM
Oh, and all the intellectually adolescent, authority haters must also defend Jimmy Lee Sykes. Maybe that little boy liked him and thought that was a fun camping trip?

I guess he should have gotten his day in court too, even if it meant having a dead six year old to get there.
 
2013-02-13 11:07:19 AM

omeganuepsilon: CowboyUpCowgirlDown: HindiDiscoMonster: Well... due process was nice while it lasted...

If you are shooting at cops when the attempt to arrest you, your right to due process is unilaterally waived.

You only get due process if you are compliant enough to be taken into custody.

False.

Outside of declared war-
If you are currently not an imminent threat to anyone, there is no legal recourse but to attempt to apprehend you alive, anything else is summary execution.

The police in this case have proved at least twice their policy is to shoot first and ask questions later, much to the public's outrage when it's not been Dorner at all, more so to the people who were fired upon, 2 females and a white straight couple who's vehicles were not a match, but a vague semblance of Dorner's.
(If heads don't roll over this alone, I won't be surprised if another Dorner pops up)

The situation is no different here.  No positive ID was ever made.  For all we know it could have been a hobo that busted into the cabin or a squatter that's been there for days but was currently passed out from booze or starvation.

The flaw all along is that enforcers of the law have used simple assumption born of irrational fear and not clear factual information.


You don't need a "positive ID" to shoot back.  Whoever he was, a black suspect driving a stolen car fired up two Fish and Game Officers:  that's why they shot at him and pursued him into a cabin.  That's why they continued to engage him with gunfire.  They gave him several chances to come out of the cabin and surrender, but he CHOSE NOT to surrender.  If they have to come in and extract the suspect, the odds of him dying are going to increase exponentially, but that's the result of his decision not to surrender.

I repeat:  once you start shooting at the Poh-leese, you're "civil rights" and probability of receiving due process have been unilaterally waived.  It's immaterial whether or not the man shooting at the Fish and Game Officers was Christopher Dorner:  whoever it is is going to submit to police officer commands and surrender, or die.
 
2013-02-13 11:07:34 AM

omeganuepsilon: They just held a press conference ( Saw on CNN) Still on...

"We know nothing new."

Thanks for taking the time to hold a press conference.


Still too hot for a body search?
 
2013-02-13 11:07:50 AM

quatchi: HaywoodJablonski: I get that the guy's name is Forner and he's burnt like a kebab, but I don't see how this is a pun. Care to enlighten me?

[media-cdn.tripadvisor.com image 335x450]


Goddamnit I'm hungry and nowhere near there. Or has that place been closed down too?

/I need to get downtown more
 
2013-02-13 11:10:29 AM
Maybe the LAPD is responsible for 9/11 too.
 
2013-02-13 11:10:33 AM

Kit Fister: skinink: Wow, even that dude in Norway who massacred 77 people across the the country got his day in court. It's stuff  like what the police just did in burning up Dorner instead of bringing him to justice makes America look like a Third World Nation. No wonder people love to hate on cops here.

It's also why so many of us don't like the idea of being outgunned by the cops.  fark it, if I'm not going to get a fair shake in court, I'm taking a few of those assholes with me.


But if they get wounded, it's like winning the lottery. Full pay and benefits for life.
 
2013-02-13 11:11:04 AM

zabadu: Assbite:  In the tying up process, he took them hostage.  Please see dictionary.


Well... I''m glad my adopted third cousin isn't the only person on the internet that can't comprehend it.
 
2013-02-13 11:12:30 AM

IamKaiserSoze!!!: Oh, and all the intellectually adolescent, authority haters must also defend Jimmy Lee Sykes. Maybe that little boy liked him and thought that was a fun camping trip?

I guess he should have gotten his day in court too, even if it meant having a dead six year old to get there.





Link

His politics garner him no love from Fark.
 
2013-02-13 11:17:05 AM
At this point I'm starting to doubt that they have him.  I think they're trying to figure out how to break the news.
 
2013-02-13 11:17:57 AM
We suspect Dorner killed these people.

The cops, sure, there are witnesses there so believing that is no great leap to a conclusion, but the couple that sparked the whole thing, we know virtually nothing.  He is the prime suspect.

the money is in the banana stand: Dorner is no different than most modern day terrorists


False.
Terrorism Wiki:

Terrorism is the systematic use of terror, often violent, especially as a means of coercion. In the international community, however, terrorism has no legally binding, criminal law definition. Common definitions of terrorism refer only to those violent acts which are intended to create fear (terror); are perpetrated for a religious, political or, ideological goal; and deliberately target or disregard the safety of non-combatants (civilians). Some definitions now include acts of unlawful violence and war. The use of similar tactics by criminal organizations for protection rackets or to enforce a code of silence is usually not labeled terrorism, though these same actions may be labeled terrorism when done by a politically motivated group.

Vigilantism, sure.  Terror, not so much.
 
2013-02-13 11:19:34 AM

Bontesla: There were also numerous reports that the cops surrounding the cabin injured each other in a friendly fire incident - which seems to have been picked up by some of the live coverage. One of the friendly fire shots likely resulted in the death of one officer.

Needless to say - safety or concern for procedure were not priorities.


Based on what exactly? It is possible sure, but likely? Are we just excusing away Dorner's murderous actions now simply because the LAPD is awful as well?

This is really beginning to resemble 9/11 truthers and birthers.
 
2013-02-13 11:21:29 AM

omeganuepsilon: We suspect Dorner killed these people.

The cops, sure, there are witnesses there so believing that is no great leap to a conclusion, but the couple that sparked the whole thing, we know virtually nothing.  He is the prime suspect.


That is correct, however similar pause is not being given to the idea that LAPD murdered Dorner. Why? Surely they are prime suspects to have caused the cabin fire, however no one really knows what happened.
 
2013-02-13 11:22:36 AM

Spartapuss: omeganuepsilon: They just held a press conference ( Saw on CNN) Still on...

"We know nothing new."

Thanks for taking the time to hold a press conference.

Still too hot for a body search?


too hot for a body search, body burned beyond recognition... but yet a wallet was found intact?

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/02/13/dorner-lapd-off ic er-fugitive-gunbattle/1915961/
 
2013-02-13 11:22:56 AM

The Muthaship: Amos Quito: But comparing it to Hiroshima and Nagasaki was TOTALLY cool, right?

I didn't think it was cool. I was a bit put off by it. But, at least conceptually it is was sound.



Because the children incinerated at Hiroshima and Nagasaki were somehow less innocent that those incinerated at Waco?


The Muthaship: There was a real risk of him killing more people, his death prevented that. Although, if they wanted to kill him, throwing tear gas canisters in was an odd way to go about it.


"

Throwing tear gas canisters"?  More likely incendiary rockets.


In case you missed it, the cops had been planning to torch Dorner all along.

At the 1:00 mark:

Cop 1: "We're going to go forward with - a - with the plan... with the burner."
Cop 2: "Copy"
Cop 1: "It's a... It's like we talked about"

[silence]

Cop 1: "The burner has been deployed and we have a fire"
Dispatcher: "Copy (seven?) burner has been deployed and we have a fire"


The fire was set INTENTIONALLY.

The Jack-Boots had been searching cabins for days. They were pissed, indignant and scared shiatless. They had planned and PREPARED to torch him if and when he was found holed up.

They had NO IDEA whether or not he was alone, or whether he may have had hostages in that cabin. They did what they did NOT just to minimize a threat from Dorner, but to SEND A MESSAGE to the public: DON'T FARK WITH THE POLICE.


The Muthaship: Amos Quito: Disingenuous? Cheap?

Absolutely. Not comparable, and meant to evoke an disparately emotional response.



Damn right I intended to evoke an emotional response.

Wake up and smell the Napalm, citizens.


/Wonder if they'll find more than one corpse in that cabin
 
2013-02-13 11:23:15 AM

omeganuepsilon: We suspect Dorner killed these people.

The cops, sure, there are witnesses there so believing that is no great leap to a conclusion, but the couple that sparked the whole thing, we know virtually nothing.  He is the prime suspect.

the money is in the banana stand: Dorner is no different than most modern day terrorists

False.
Terrorism Wiki:

Terrorism is the systematic use of terror, often violent, especially as a means of coercion. In the international community, however, terrorism has no legally binding, criminal law definition. Common definitions of terrorism refer only to those violent acts which are intended to create fear (terror); are perpetrated for a religious, political or, ideological goal; and deliberately target or disregard the safety of non-combatants (civilians). Some definitions now include acts of unlawful violence and war. The use of similar tactics by criminal organizations for protection rackets or to enforce a code of silence is usually not labeled terrorism, though these same actions may be labeled terrorism when done by a politically motivated group.

Vigilantism, sure.  Terror, not so much.


How is it not terror? To wage an "asymmetrical" war against the LAPD and placing them on notice that they are targets to strike FEAR in them and cause them to live in FEAR, while killing non-combatants. His end goal was to "clear his name" which is more or less to draw attention to the corruption amongst the LAPD. I am pretty sure that he fits the description here. Just because he was not a part of an organization or wearing a turban with C4 strapped to his chest does not exclude him.
 
2013-02-13 11:24:31 AM
Another Waco/Ruby Ridge
 
2013-02-13 11:25:31 AM
wpc.556e.edgecastcdn.net
 
2013-02-13 11:25:41 AM

leahruthie: Spartapuss: omeganuepsilon: They just held a press conference ( Saw on CNN) Still on...

"We know nothing new."

Thanks for taking the time to hold a press conference.

Still too hot for a body search?

too hot for a body search, body burned beyond recognition... but yet a wallet was found intact?

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/02/13/dorner-lapd-off ic er-fugitive-gunbattle/1915961/


I don't want to get TOO gruesome in thinking about it, but a lot of that would depend on where the body was and the dynamics of the fire. Say you're laying on a concrete floor face up, you could be burned beyond recognition in the front, but still have your wallet in tact.
 
2013-02-13 11:27:39 AM
 
2013-02-13 11:29:16 AM

Spartapuss: He never took hostages, right. He tied up two people who found him while cleaning empty cabins and stole their vehicle before one got loose and called the cops.



That does NOT fit the definition of "hostage".
 
2013-02-13 11:29:39 AM

CowboyUpCowgirlDown: You don't need a "positive ID" to shoot back.


In an active firefight, yes.  Hours or days after the fact, you sure as shiat do.

Your problem is saying that your civil rights are unilaterally waived.  That is an absolute that is simply not true, or rather, misleading to the point of irrelevance.

Sure, the cops are allowed to defend themselves from imminent threat. When that threat is over, it's a new day.  They can't just can't randomly shoot at suspects, they need to positively ID them(or again come into a situation where they are under imminent threat), before they can open fire.

Why?

Innocent until proven guilty.

This is not to protect the guilty, it's to protect the innocent.  When you do not make a positive ID and simply guess, innocents get shot at.  This case is proof positive of that phenomenon.

Now, I can't tell if you're a troll or really just don't understand the concepts of the justice system or civics or personal rights, such as that to a fair trial and the ability for police to employ lethal force and it's restrictions.  But really, you sound extremely ignorant, please attempt to rectify that before trying to converse further.

Simple fact is.  Once that gun drops, or suspect is lost, the game resets.  No rights are waived permanently as you imply.
 
2013-02-13 11:31:06 AM

zabadu: BraveNewCheneyWorld: qualtrough: The cops burned him for the same reason the US burned tens of thousands of men, women, and children at Hiroshima and Nagasaki. To save lives.

Bullshiat.  He was one man, he can't stay awake forever, they easily could have watched him with thermal imagers, waited for him to sleep, then drilled a small hole in the cabin, pumped it full of knock out gas, then taken their time to enter while checking for traps and apprehended him.

This was deliberate, vengeful murder on the part of the police.

All I can add is that someone watches way too many TV shows.  "Knock out gas"?  Seriously?  And wouldn't the drill have awakened him?


It's funny because you're clueless.   Here's knockout gas in practical use.
And during hostage situations, the police have speakers set up to play sound based on the desired result, so no, he wouldn't hear a small slow drill.

And if Dorner were white, none of you would give a shiat.

Um, traditionally people would claim the reverse.  I think you got your racism backwards.
 
2013-02-13 11:32:50 AM
i14.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-13 11:35:11 AM

Amos Quito: Spartapuss: He never took hostages, right. He tied up two people who found him while cleaning empty cabins and stole their vehicle before one got loose and called the cops.


That does NOT fit the definition of "hostage".


It does when you click the thesaurus tab. It was an alternative to killing them. Sounds commendable intead of condemnable.
 
2013-02-13 11:35:18 AM
I dunno, I definitely sympathize with the guy for the stuff in his manifesto, but the way he went about this whole thing was just loony. Of all people why kill the daughter/fiance of the person who defended you after getting fired? Then it sounds like he did a bunch of dumb things(like staying in the area where they were searching and doing things to attract attention to himself) which led to getting cornered. Then it looks like he just gave up and either ate a bullet or burned to death.

Unless all this turns out to be a ruse...this guy went out in a blaze alright, but it definitely wasn't a blaze of glory.
 
2013-02-13 11:35:31 AM

omeganuepsilon: CowboyUpCowgirlDown: You don't need a "positive ID" to shoot back.

In an active firefight, yes.  Hours or days after the fact, you sure as shiat do.

Your problem is saying that your civil rights are unilaterally waived.  That is an absolute that is simply not true, or rather, misleading to the point of irrelevance.

Sure, the cops are allowed to defend themselves from imminent threat. When that threat is over, it's a new day.  They can't just can't randomly shoot at suspects, they need to positively ID them(or again come into a situation where they are under imminent threat), before they can open fire.

Why?

Innocent until proven guilty.

This is not to protect the guilty, it's to protect the innocent.  When you do not make a positive ID and simply guess, innocents get shot at.  This case is proof positive of that phenomenon.

Now, I can't tell if you're a troll or really just don't understand the concepts of the justice system or civics or personal rights, such as that to a fair trial and the ability for police to employ lethal force and it's restrictions.  But really, you sound extremely ignorant, please attempt to rectify that before trying to converse further.

Simple fact is.  Once that gun drops, or suspect is lost, the game resets.  No rights are waived permanently as you imply.


We are both relying on news reports, some of which are going to be wrong in a breaking news story.  Based on all the available information, what makes you believe this suspect dropped his gun or was "lost"?  They watched him run into a cabin, from which they received direct fire.  A few minutes later, he tried to run out of the cabin, and they returned fire, forcing him to return to the cabin.  This isn't like playing cops and robbers in your back yard:  there is no "reset" so long as they believe the suspect in the cabin is hell bent on shooting back.

As for ignorance:  My IQ is 142, I spent 30 years in law enforcement and I would bet I knew more cops who died of gunshot wounds than you've ever talked to in person.  Go be a pussy somewhere else.
 
2013-02-13 11:36:16 AM
The bastaige got what he desreved.  This idea that he desreved a day in court is for the birds.  He condemmed himself to death when he admitted to murder, taunted the victims and their families and threatened to kill even more civilians and police alike.  IMO Dorner isn't human he is an animal which needed to be put down and put down fast.

Congratulations to everyone involved in cornering this demented psychopath.
 
2013-02-13 11:36:18 AM

Doctor Funkenstein: Damn, they fired him twice.


Niiiiiiice!
 
2013-02-13 11:36:45 AM
So, has it been confirmed yet? Because, really, it shouldn't take that long to cool it down and find a body. Dental records would surely come in handy.
 
2013-02-13 11:38:09 AM
Jesus Christ. Have I accidentally stumbled into Freeperville? You conspiracy nuts sound farking crazy. You have no idea the validity of that recording, but you're acting like it's completely valid. Just proves the fact that if you have enough hatred for a particular group, you can come up with ANYTHING to villainize them.
 
2013-02-13 11:38:13 AM

CowboyUpCowgirlDown: As for ignorance:  My IQ is 142


You realize nobody is going to take you serious in this thread now, right?
 
2013-02-13 11:39:44 AM

CowboyUpCowgirlDown: omeganuepsilon: CowboyUpCowgirlDown: You don't need a "positive ID" to shoot back.

In an active firefight, yes.  Hours or days after the fact, you sure as shiat do.

Your problem is saying that your civil rights are unilaterally waived.  That is an absolute that is simply not true, or rather, misleading to the point of irrelevance.

Sure, the cops are allowed to defend themselves from imminent threat. When that threat is over, it's a new day.  They can't just can't randomly shoot at suspects, they need to positively ID them(or again come into a situation where they are under imminent threat), before they can open fire.

Why?

Innocent until proven guilty.

This is not to protect the guilty, it's to protect the innocent.  When you do not make a positive ID and simply guess, innocents get shot at.  This case is proof positive of that phenomenon.

Now, I can't tell if you're a troll or really just don't understand the concepts of the justice system or civics or personal rights, such as that to a fair trial and the ability for police to employ lethal force and it's restrictions.  But really, you sound extremely ignorant, please attempt to rectify that before trying to converse further.

Simple fact is.  Once that gun drops, or suspect is lost, the game resets.  No rights are waived permanently as you imply.

We are both relying on news reports, some of which are going to be wrong in a breaking news story.  Based on all the available information, what makes you believe this suspect dropped his gun or was "lost"?  They watched him run into a cabin, from which they received direct fire.  A few minutes later, he tried to run out of the cabin, and they returned fire, forcing him to return to the cabin.  This isn't like playing cops and robbers in your back yard:  there is no "reset" so long as they believe the suspect in the cabin is hell bent on shooting back.

As for ignorance:  My IQ is 142, I spent 30 years in law enforcement and I would bet I knew more cops who died of ...


Lordy, lordy.  Argument from authority.  HAHAHA.
 
2013-02-13 11:40:39 AM

zabadu: And if Dorner were white, none of you would give a shiat.


You think a white (or asian/indian/hisipanic), ex-cop with alleged claims of war against a police department and alleged murders with manhunt wouldn't garner headline news??
 
2013-02-13 11:41:52 AM

Popcorn Johnny: CowboyUpCowgirlDown: As for ignorance:  My IQ is 142

You realize nobody is going to take you serious in this thread now, right?


You realize I don't give a shiat, right?

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-02-13 11:41:55 AM

leahruthie: Spartapuss: omeganuepsilon: They just held a press conference ( Saw on CNN) Still on...

"We know nothing new."

Thanks for taking the time to hold a press conference.

Still too hot for a body search?

too hot for a body search, body burned beyond recognition... but yet a wallet was found intact?

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/02/13/dorner-lapd-off ic er-fugitive-gunbattle/1915961/



The Miracle Wallet!

Why am I reminded of a certain, near-pristine PASSPORT that was found in the rubble of the Twin Towers after 911?

files.abovetopsecret.com

Also from your link:

"Police said Dorner, 33, had been holed up since Thursday in another cabin 20 to 30 yards from the site where news media gathered and received sheriff's briefings daily on the massive manhunt after his burned truck was found earlier that day."

LULZ!

This story keeps getting better and better.
 
2013-02-13 11:42:11 AM
i1066.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-13 11:42:43 AM

the money is in the banana stand: How is it not terror?


All that results in fear is not terrorism.  By your definition all warfare is terrorism, which is a ludicrous concept.

He has waged a war against the LAPD(and those he deems tied to it, or as obstruction.)

One critical part of terrorism is to not have a distinction between combatants and non-combatants.  That is not present in this case.  Any civilian he's encountered has gone on it's merry way, aside from the initial alleged crime, and they were actual family of LAPD, relevant in his declaration of war.

Owangotang: Why?


Direct observation of evidence.  News coverage, released tapes of some of the interactions.  Civilians fired upon before identification by the LAPD.  If anyone is acting as a terrorist, it's law enforcement.(Keyword, IF)

Owangotang: This is really beginning to resemble 9/11 truthers and birthers.


Not so much.  You're either unwilling or unable to grasp some of the facts.  Just because you have shortcomings when it comes with the ability to process actual facts that have been released(and posted numerous times in these threads) does not mean we're buying into a conspiracy.  We're simply discussing possibilities.

When all evidence is released and people doubt it, THEN you can make allegations of conspiracy.  As it stands, you're the one resembling that definition, not us.
 
2013-02-13 11:44:40 AM

Owangotang: Bontesla: There were also numerous reports that the cops surrounding the cabin injured each other in a friendly fire incident - which seems to have been picked up by some of the live coverage. One of the friendly fire shots likely resulted in the death of one officer.

Needless to say - safety or concern for procedure were not priorities.

Based on what exactly? It is possible sure, but likely? Are we just excusing away Dorner's murderous actions now simply because the LAPD is awful as well?

This is really beginning to resemble 9/11 truthers and birthers.


Based on initial reports. That's why I inserted language that reflects speculation.

/blame the media
 
2013-02-13 11:45:43 AM
So did we save enough money on his trial to pay for all of the cops' overtime?
 
2013-02-13 11:46:23 AM

Spartapuss: Amos Quito: Spartapuss: He never took hostages, right. He tied up two people who found him while cleaning empty cabins and stole their vehicle before one got loose and called the cops.


That does NOT fit the definition of "hostage".

It does when you click the thesaurus tab. It was an alternative to killing them. Sounds commendable intead of condemnable.



I'll agree with that.
 
2013-02-13 11:46:28 AM

me texan: At this point I'm starting to doubt that they have him.  I think they're trying to figure out how to break the news.


But wasn't a body removed?
If not him then who the hell did they kill?

/assuming they killed someone
//reports are still sketchy
 
2013-02-13 11:46:50 AM

TrainingWheelsNeeded: so much for guy fawkes


And a clear message sent to all the gun nuts who plan on shooting the government when it comes to take their guns, which it won't ever do, btw.
 
2013-02-13 11:47:49 AM
One paniced officer on a radio saying to "burn the motherfarker down" is not proof that they torched the cabin. What do you think they did, ran up to the cabin with a Bic? Maybe they fired flaming arrows or tossed Molotov cocktails. What's the office police issue device for starting fires?
 
2013-02-13 11:48:40 AM

CowboyUpCowgirlDown: Based on all the available information, what makes you believe this suspect dropped his gun or was "lost"?


You need a citation for "lost"  Seriously?  You think the guy has been in a firefight for 24 hours a day for the better part of a week?

You're not the sharpest spoon in the drawer.
/IE you've got a long way to go before you could ever even be considered similar to a knife

No wonder you're in law enforcement.
 
2013-02-13 11:51:53 AM

Joe boater: The bastaige got what he desreved. This idea that he desreved a day in court is for the birds. He condemmed himself to death when he admitted to murder,


When did he do that?


taunted the victims and their families


When did he do that?


and threatened to kill even more civilians and police alike


When did he do that?


/The Kool-Aid's in the fridge
 
2013-02-13 11:52:02 AM

joaquin closet: So did we save enough money on his trial to pay for all of the cops' overtime?


Actually, maybe. It would have been a capital murder trial with numerous appeals, those things do tend to get very price, especially in cases where the state is funding both the prosecution and the defense.
 
2013-02-13 11:54:11 AM

Amos Quito: The Muthaship: Jake Havechek: But who actually started the fire?

Either way, it's a cheap and inaccurate comparison made by disingenuous people.

But comparing it to Hiroshima and Nagasaki was TOTALLY cool, right?

From my post above - IN CONTEXT:


qualtrough: The cops burned him for the same reason the US burned tens of thousands of men, women, and children at Hiroshima and Nagasaki. To save lives.


Amos Quito: More likely for the same reason that Janet Reno and the ATF burned all of those people (including innocent children) alive at Waco: To send a message: Don't you DARE disrespect our AUTHORITAY!

Disingenuous? Cheap?


Inaccurate?  Speculative?  Conjectural?
 
2013-02-13 11:55:50 AM

CowboyUpCowgirlDown: My IQ is 142, I spent 30 years in law enforcement


LOL!

let me guess....LAPD veteran?
 
2013-02-13 11:57:23 AM
the money is in the banana stand:

Dorner killed and shot some cops. Dorner killed innocent people.

While the LAPD could have conducted itself better and most certainly there is corruption amongst the organization, to say that Dorner is remotely innocent or in some way a martyr is asinine. While hating cops is cool, you aren't seeming to get the fact that Dorner is no different than most modern day terrorists. You don't go around killing people as a means to effect change in a civilized society. Not only is he no better than those he condemns, he is in essence much much worse.


How is calling him a bad man the same as saying he's innocent or a martyr?

Your head, its up your arse.
 
2013-02-13 11:57:47 AM
www.overgroundonline.com

WANTED FOR QUESTIONING
 
2013-02-13 11:57:55 AM

HindiDiscoMonster: Well... due process was nice while it lasted...


LOL.  Yes.  He had only shot two deputies that day.  You should at least wait for the third to be hit, and even then the handbook says it's time to add 'please' to the end of your requests for him to surrender.  They hadn't even gotten to the 'in a stern voice' level of negotiations and go and do something like this.  Pathetic abuse of power.
 
2013-02-13 11:58:12 AM

Amos Quito: The Muthaship: Amos Quito: But comparing it to Hiroshima and Nagasaki was TOTALLY cool, right?

I didn't think it was cool. I was a bit put off by it. But, at least conceptually it is was sound.


Because the children incinerated at Hiroshima and Nagasaki were somehow less innocent that those incinerated at Waco?


The Muthaship: There was a real risk of him killing more people, his death prevented that. Although, if they wanted to kill him, throwing tear gas canisters in was an odd way to go about it.


"Throwing tear gas canisters"?  More likely incendiary rockets.


In case you missed it, the cops had been planning to torch Dorner all along.

At the 1:00 mark:

Cop 1: "We're going to go forward with - a - with the plan... with the burner."
Cop 2: "Copy"
Cop 1: "It's a... It's like we talked about"

[silence]

Cop 1: "The burner has been deployed and we have a fire"
Dispatcher: "Copy (seven?) burner has been deployed and we have a fire"


The fire was set INTENTIONALLY.

The Jack-Boots had been searching cabins for days. They were pissed, indignant and scared shiatless. They had planned and PREPARED to torch him if and when he was found holed up.

They had NO IDEA whether or not he was alone, or whether he may have had hostages in that cabin. They did what they did NOT just to minimize a threat from Dorner, but to SEND A MESSAGE to the public: DON'T FARK WITH THE POLICE.


The Muthaship: Amos Quito: Disingenuous? Cheap?

Absolutely. Not comparable, and meant to evoke an disparately emotional response.


Damn right I intended to evoke an emotional response.

Wake up and smell the Napalm, citizens.


/Wonder if they'll find more than one corpse in that cabin


You left out the part where only two sides of the house were on fire . All he had to do was stick his hands out one of the sides of the house that weren't on fire and say .. I surrender!
 
2013-02-13 11:58:56 AM
reggaejunkiejew

the cabin caught fire "accidentally from a flash grenade". What a bunch of Baloney.


Officers on the radio were heard to saying, "farking burn this motherf**ker," before police discussed their intention to, "go ahead with the plan with the burners."

Yay summary executions. Not like a police state at all.

Not like they haven't done it before.
www.serendipity.li
Murder is cheaper than trials.
 
2013-02-13 11:59:34 AM

nekom: Does anybody have an article that confirms this business that the LAPD (why the fark were they even there, that's a good question) set the fire? Difficulty: NO infowars. I mean an article from a credible news agency?

gregscott: Why is everybody blaming the LAPD for the BBQ? This happened in San Bernandino, right?


LAPSWAT teams had fired tear gas inside of the cabin as part of a "tactical operation" and were tearing down its walls to flush out Dorner
 
2013-02-13 12:00:32 PM

Amos Quito: The Muthaship: Amos Quito: But comparing it to Hiroshima and Nagasaki was TOTALLY cool, right?

I didn't think it was cool. I was a bit put off by it. But, at least conceptually it is was sound.


Because the children incinerated at Hiroshima and Nagasaki were somehow less innocent that those incinerated at Waco?


The Muthaship: There was a real risk of him killing more people, his death prevented that. Although, if they wanted to kill him, throwing tear gas canisters in was an odd way to go about it.


"Throwing tear gas canisters"?  More likely incendiary rockets.


In case you missed it, the cops had been planning to torch Dorner all along.

At the 1:00 mark:

Cop 1: "We're going to go forward with - a - with the plan... with the burner."
Cop 2: "Copy"
Cop 1: "It's a... It's like we talked about"

[silence]

Cop 1: "The burner has been deployed and we have a fire"
Dispatcher: "Copy (seven?) burner has been deployed and we have a fire"


The fire was set INTENTIONALLY.

The Jack-Boots had been searching cabins for days. They were pissed, indignant and scared shiatless. They had planned and PREPARED to torch him if and when he was found holed up.

They had NO IDEA whether or not he was alone, or whether he may have had hostages in that cabin. They did what they did NOT just to minimize a threat from Dorner, but to SEND A MESSAGE to the public: DON'T FARK WITH THE POLICE.


The Muthaship: Amos Quito: Disingenuous? Cheap?

Absolutely. Not comparable, and meant to evoke an disparately emotional response.


Damn right I intended to evoke an emotional response.

Wake up and smell the Napalm, citizens.


/Wonder if they'll find more than one corpse in that cabin


So, you wanted the cops to do exactly what Donner wanted them to do and enter a most likely booby trapped house to attempt to capture him alive, by which point any hostages (if there were any to begin with, if he had any he didn't make any indications that he did, which negates the point of hostages to begin with) and himself would already be dead, sometimes letting the motherfarker burn is just the best course of action, that's what they did in Iraq anyway.
 
2013-02-13 12:03:25 PM

Evilhippie: the money is in the banana stand:

Dorner killed and shot some cops. Dorner killed innocent people.

While the LAPD could have conducted itself better and most certainly there is corruption amongst the organization, to say that Dorner is remotely innocent or in some way a martyr is asinine. While hating cops is cool, you aren't seeming to get the fact that Dorner is no different than most modern day terrorists. You don't go around killing people as a means to effect change in a civilized society. Not only is he no better than those he condemns, he is in essence much much worse.

How is calling him a bad man the same as saying he's innocent or a martyr?

Your head, its up your arse.


The tone of your post implied that he wasn't a bad guy, but the LAPD were which was further highlighted by the rest of your post. You were marginalizing Dorner and downplaying his actions and saying that Dorner's accusations were validated by how the LAPD conducted themselves.
 
2013-02-13 12:04:00 PM

Popcorn Johnny: One paniced officer on a radio saying to "burn the motherfarker down" is not proof that they torched the cabin. What do you think they did, ran up to the cabin with a Bic? Maybe they fired flaming arrows or tossed Molotov cocktails.



Trollin?

Listen to the audio from the police scanner - the "fun" begins at the 1:00 mark

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCdqybEfy9w&feature=youtu.be

Approximate transcript:

Cop 1: "We're going to go forward with - a - with the plan... with the burner."
Cop 2: "Copy"
Cop 1: "It's a... It's like we talked about"

[silence]

Cop 1: "The burner has been deployed and we have a fire"
Dispatcher: "Copy (seven?) burner has been deployed and we have a fire"

The cops committed premeditated murder.

And it wasn't just one cop. It had been planned in advance.

We're willing to assassinate US citizens using drones, and now we've apparently moved on to extrajudicial lynchings.

The shape of things to come?


/But the State of the Union Address was pretty cool
 
2013-02-13 12:04:48 PM
Is 'burners' police slang for tear gas?  If so and the tear gas started the fire, then it very well could have been accidental.
 
2013-02-13 12:05:46 PM

the money is in the banana stand: Evilhippie: the money is in the banana stand:

Dorner killed and shot some cops. Dorner killed innocent people.

While the LAPD could have conducted itself better and most certainly there is corruption amongst the organization, to say that Dorner is remotely innocent or in some way a martyr is asinine. While hating cops is cool, you aren't seeming to get the fact that Dorner is no different than most modern day terrorists. You don't go around killing people as a means to effect change in a civilized society. Not only is he no better than those he condemns, he is in essence much much worse.

How is calling him a bad man the same as saying he's innocent or a martyr?

Your head, its up your arse.

The tone of your post implied that he wasn't a bad guy, but the LAPD were which was further highlighted by the rest of your post. You were marginalizing Dorner and downplaying his actions and saying that Dorner's accusations were validated by how the LAPD conducted themselves.


You are still just sniffing your own fecal matter. I called Dorner a bad man, and said the LEO's proved his point by shooting at innocents and ultimately murdering him.

I know nuance is hard to sniff out when you got your head up your arse... everything starts smelling like shiat.
 
2013-02-13 12:06:17 PM

BafflerMeal: Lordy, lordy.  Argument from authority.  HAHAHA.


Indeed.  Acutally, here is my citation.
http://www.cga.ct.gov/2008/rpt/2008-R-0074.htm

Yes, you can even shoot a fleeing fellon in a case like this(reliable suspicion of continued threat).  However, you can't shoot him if you "think" you just ran into him on the street the next day.  That is why it all hinges on positive ID.

What I sort of want to know is if the Game & Fish started firing first (yet again).(And the Deputies after that, or was it the same shoot out, details on that are hazy).  If they did, it could clear him of all charges in such a case(for this event).

If it's not Dorner, and they caused an innocent civilian to defend himself, and then killed him, I'll probably die of laughter.

I'll then watch the riots on TV.
 
2013-02-13 12:07:37 PM

Amos Quito: Popcorn Johnny: One paniced officer on a radio saying to "burn the motherfarker down" is not proof that they torched the cabin. What do you think they did, ran up to the cabin with a Bic? Maybe they fired flaming arrows or tossed Molotov cocktails.


Trollin?

Listen to the audio from the police scanner - the "fun" begins at the 1:00 mark

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCdqybEfy9w&feature=youtu.be

Approximate transcript:

Cop 1: "We're going to go forward with - a - with the plan... with the burner."
Cop 2: "Copy"
Cop 1: "It's a... It's like we talked about"

[silence]

Cop 1: "The burner has been deployed and we have a fire"
Dispatcher: "Copy (seven?) burner has been deployed and we have a fire"

The cops committed premeditated murder.

And it wasn't just one cop. It had been planned in advance.

We're willing to assassinate US citizens using drones, and now we've apparently moved on to extrajudicial lynchings.

The shape of things to come?


/But the State of the Union Address was pretty cool


Who gives a fark if they killed him or used drones to kill some farkheads in Yemen? The world is better off without any of them.
 
2013-02-13 12:08:07 PM

SlothB77: Is 'burners' police slang for tear gas?  If so and the tear gas started the fire, then it very well could have been accidental.


I'm almost positive it's slang for the department issued Molotov cocktails they carry around. Never know when you'll need to start a fire.
 
2013-02-13 12:08:24 PM

SlothB77: Is 'burners' police slang for tear gas?  If so and the tear gas started the fire, then it very well could have been accidental.


They call them burners because they are known for setting fire to structures, they are multitaskers that can be used to flush someone out or used to burn down structures.
 
2013-02-13 12:09:47 PM

the money is in the banana stand: Who gives a fark if they killed him or used drones to kill some farkheads in Yemen? The world is better off without any of them.


Is the world a better lace because the cops, authority figures, whatever are willing to murder someone with no intention of arresting them?
 
2013-02-13 12:09:52 PM

Mid_mo_mad_man: heili skrimsli: Mid_mo_mad_man: You are exactly what's wrong with the USA. The cops he shot Tuesday would have arrested him without a hitch if he wanted that. Just because he's black doesn't make him a victim

This has nothing to do with what color he is and everything to do with the fact that I still believe in a nation that exists under the rule of law in which every person is presumed innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt as judged by a jury of his or her peers.

I don't think that the police should have rules of engagement that are more permissive than those afforded to actual soldiers in combat as if the police are at war with the rest of the citizens. I think enacting a plan to burn a man alive is repugnant, cruel, unusual, and should be called murder, and I don't think that changes because of what that man is accused of doing.

That is not what is 'wrong' with America. There are places where such despotic and tyrannical actions are socially acceptable so long as the perpetrator of those actions wears a uniform, places like Somalia where there is no rule of law. Perhaps you should move to one of those societies more to your liking.

He shot first Tuesday. He took the law into own hands. The cops did not violate his rights. And yes the outrage has every thing to do with his skin color. Blacks in the USA think everyone is holding them back. They are the only ones causing thier troubles.


itstimetostopposting.jpeg

You racist farking idiot.
 
2013-02-13 12:09:56 PM
thiefofdreams

You cannot pick and choose the parts of the Constitution you want to follow.

Constitution? LOL that outdated rag? We want a police state where armed thugs do whatever they want. Liberty is a scary idea

The cops have to follow Due Process. If by due process you mean load magazine, insert into gun, charge gun, kill anyone, then yes.
If you mean due process in the legal sense. Care to cite examples? In a sane society you'd be correct. We however live in no such state. Warrants are pre-signed by judges, police line the streets to cheer 7 of their fellow murderers who shot a bunch of unarmed / non criminal black men in the back and call them heroes, departments fire officers who attempt to stop cops from beating innocent civilians to death.
 
2013-02-13 12:09:59 PM
And thus the loss of a hero. I'm not a fan of his race or anything but Mr Dorner has shown me there
is good in his kind after all. He was a great man and will be missed. I will be playing taps for hm all
this week in remembrance of him.

For your war on terror Mr Dorner I salute you

spcdanielafuentes.com

It just shows how spineless and pussy like cops are. It was one man and they needed a small army to take him down. What a joke the scumbag police are. I wish nothing but a slow painful death for each and every arsehole involved in his death.
 
2013-02-13 12:12:33 PM

Giltric: They call them burners because they are known for setting fire to structures, they are multitaskers that can be used to flush someone out or used to burn down structures.


Lets see, either use my tear gas against the heavily armed suspect, knowing that it might start a fire, or continue trading shots with him, not using one of the tools at my disposal that will help me gain the upper hand?

Tough choice.
 
2013-02-13 12:12:38 PM

SlothB77: Is 'burners' police slang for tear gas?  If so and the tear gas started the fire, then it very well could have been accidental.


Actually it's slang for Thermite. In case you've missed it, the same people that orchestrated 9/11 set this up.

It's no coincidence that this cabin was one of FIVE; happened the same day as the SOTU; will bolster the argument to take guns away from citizens... I could go on but ins sure the guy who posted before you can electorate more .

/ that was fun to come up with.. I'm going to become a conspiracy nut and make a you tube video that... Huh.. Is that a black drone outside ??
 
2013-02-13 12:13:16 PM

mikemil828: /Wonder if they'll find more than one corpse in that cabin

So, you wanted the cops to do exactly what Donner wanted them to do and enter a most likely booby trapped house to attempt to capture him alive, by which point any hostages (if there were any to begin with, if he had any he didn't make any indications that he did, which negates the point of hostages to begin with) and himself would already be dead, sometimes letting the motherfarker burn is just the best course of action, that's what they did in Iraq anyway.



www.anniemayhem.com

Um, no. Even Saddam Hussein got a "trial".

They could have just torched him in his (potentially booby trapped)  "spider hole", but they didn't.

Nice to know that we treat foreign dictators with whom we are at WAR with more judicial respect than we do ACCUSED citizens in our own nation.
 
2013-02-13 12:13:17 PM

Giltric: SlothB77: Is 'burners' police slang for tear gas?  If so and the tear gas started the fire, then it very well could have been accidental.

They call them burners because they are known for setting fire to structures, they are multitaskers that can be used to flush someone out or used to burn down structures.


The only thing that plays against that plan is the later concern of propane tanks. I can chock that up to incompetance, however.
 
2013-02-13 12:14:03 PM

Giltric: the money is in the banana stand: Who gives a fark if they killed him or used drones to kill some farkheads in Yemen? The world is better off without any of them.

Is the world a better lace because the cops, authority figures, whatever are willing to murder someone with no intention of arresting them?


Murder a guy who's manifesto and course of actions explicitly prove he is willing to murder and keep on murdering people AND has no intention of surrendering because he has no fear of dying and nothing left to live for? Uh yes. Now, had he not written that manifesto and shot and killed some cops but was only suspected of killing some people or as retaliation for breaking the Blue Code, the cops wanted him dead instead of going on trial, that is a different story.
 
2013-02-13 12:15:02 PM

SlothB77: Is 'burners' police slang for tear gas?  If so and the tear gas started the fire, then it very well could have been accidental.



Cop 1: "The burner has been deployed and we have a fire"
Dispatcher: "Copy (seven?) burner has been deployed and we have a fire"


Not a farking chance.
 
2013-02-13 12:15:26 PM

Amos Quito: mikemil828: /Wonder if they'll find more than one corpse in that cabin

So, you wanted the cops to do exactly what Donner wanted them to do and enter a most likely booby trapped house to attempt to capture him alive, by which point any hostages (if there were any to begin with, if he had any he didn't make any indications that he did, which negates the point of hostages to begin with) and himself would already be dead, sometimes letting the motherfarker burn is just the best course of action, that's what they did in Iraq anyway.


[www.anniemayhem.com image 320x241]

Um, no. Even Saddam Hussein got a "trial".

They could have just torched him in his (potentially booby trapped)  "spider hole", but they didn't.

Nice to know that we treat foreign dictators with whom we are at WAR with more judicial respect than we do ACCUSED citizens in our own nation.


Excuse me but he lost his ACCUSED status when he started shooting and killing cops.
 
2013-02-13 12:16:46 PM

Amos Quito: Not a farking chance.


How about you post a link to the department issued device the police carry around for the purpose of starting fires? Should be simple, right?
 
2013-02-13 12:18:45 PM

Aces and Eights: AverageAmericanGuy: Aces and Eights: So whose cabin was this, anyway?

Seriously. I haven't seen a reference in any of the coverage that indicates the owner of the cabin. Was it Dorner's? Or just some random little-cabin-in-The-woods.


My understanding is that it was one of those type of cabins that you can rent, so it probably belonged to a company.
 
2013-02-13 12:20:45 PM

Bathia_Mapes: Aces and Eights: AverageAmericanGuy: Aces and Eights: So whose cabin was this, anyway?

Seriously. I haven't seen a reference in any of the coverage that indicates the owner of the cabin. Was it Dorner's? Or just some random little-cabin-in-The-woods.

My understanding is that it was one of those type of cabins that you can rent, so it probably belonged to a company.


Sounds that way. I remember last night one of the news agencies interviewed the owner, who confirmed that it was unoccupied and lacked any utilities.
 
2013-02-13 12:20:47 PM

Amos Quito: mikemil828: /Wonder if they'll find more than one corpse in that cabin

So, you wanted the cops to do exactly what Donner wanted them to do and enter a most likely booby trapped house to attempt to capture him alive, by which point any hostages (if there were any to begin with, if he had any he didn't make any indications that he did, which negates the point of hostages to begin with) and himself would already be dead, sometimes letting the motherfarker burn is just the best course of action, that's what they did in Iraq anyway.


[www.anniemayhem.com image 320x241]

Um, no. Even Saddam Hussein got a "trial".

They could have just torched him in his (potentially booby trapped)  "spider hole", but they didn't.

Nice to know that we treat foreign dictators with whom we are at WAR with more judicial respect than we do ACCUSED citizens in our own nation.


I am not talking about Saddam, Saddam came out of his hidey hole with his hands up. I am talking about the random insurgent who's primary goal is to kill American soldier and already has nothing to lose. Anyway do you honestly think that Donner honestly wanted to have trial in a judicial system he viewed as corrupt? That's funny.
 
2013-02-13 12:20:52 PM

Popcorn Johnny: Giltric: They call them burners because they are known for setting fire to structures, they are multitaskers that can be used to flush someone out or used to burn down structures.

Lets see, either use my tear gas against the heavily armed suspect, knowing that it might start a fire, or continue trading shots with him, not using one of the tools at my disposal that will help me gain the upper hand?

Tough choice.



Wait it out, the place was under seige, the cops had all the time in the world to sit hunkered down behind cover. Early intel said he had hostages...yet they shot at the structure willy nilly putting any supected hostages life in jeopardy. They also shot at 2 different pick up trucks without bothering to pull the vehicles over (they rammed one off the road) or check to see that the occupants matched the description or Dorner.

Some smoke grenades and a rifle is heavily armed? Or are you going with the sentry gun, twin bofors cannon, crate of stingers and quad barrett .50s on a pintle mount and 3 unused kill streak rewards like the cops claimed originally?
 
2013-02-13 12:21:06 PM

the money is in the banana stand: The cops committed premeditated murder.

And it wasn't just one cop. It had been planned in advance.

We're willing to assassinate US citizens using drones, and now we've apparently moved on to extrajudicial lynchings.

The shape of things to come?


/But the State of the Union Address was pretty cool

Who gives a fark if they killed him or used drones to kill some farkheads in Yemen? The world is better off without any of them.



I do. This is NOT the way that a rational, civilized nation that PRETENDS to live under the "Rule of Law" based on the Constitution conducts itself.

I do NOT want to see the US go down this road - and neither do you - but you're too muddle headed to see it.

Yet.
 
2013-02-13 12:21:08 PM

the money is in the banana stand: Excuse me but he lost his ACCUSED status when he started shooting and killing cops.


Huh.  I thought one lost their accused status following a conviction, dismissal, or acquittal.
 
2013-02-13 12:23:01 PM
Dorner is/was batshiat crazy.  His complaints against LAPD were probably legit.... as they're well known for being corrupt and well practiced at cover-ups.  But he screwed it all up by using violence to "clear his name".  He could have easily started a smear campaign via internet with his allegations and the media would have jumped all over it.

That said, the LAPD is also batshiat crazy... out of control.  They virtually abandoned their jobs to play bodyguard for each other, shot up one truck without warning, rammed another truck without warning, evacuated a Lowe's store on an unverified tip, locked down an apartment complex on an unverified tip, fell for his planned "sightings" on various security cameras, possibly shot each other in the "excitement" of trapping Dorner in a cabin, then torched the place...... preventing an actual trial or quick, positive I.D. of the person inside.

They need some serious management changes.  And the guys that shot up the truck should be working as fry flippers.
 
2013-02-13 12:24:07 PM

Giltric: Wait it out, the place was under seige, the cops had all the time in the world to sit hunkered down behind cover.


Sure, who cares if the guy you have surrounded is taking shots at you, just keep your head down and everything will be fine.
 
2013-02-13 12:25:49 PM
Wonder if they found a red bandanna yet.
 
2013-02-13 12:26:27 PM

doyner: the money is in the banana stand: Excuse me but he lost his ACCUSED status when he started shooting and killing cops.

Huh.  I thought one lost their accused status following a conviction, dismissal, or acquittal.


Ah so if I stand out in the open shooting people, I am not REALLY shooting people until I go through due process of the law? While he is not automatically guilty of previous accused crimes, the moment he started firing upon and killing cops, he became an immediate threat. To say because he is hiding in a cabin he is not a threat is silly. That isn't how things work. You don't go around shooting a bunch of people and yell time out, this isn't paintball here.
 
2013-02-13 12:28:48 PM

Giltric: SlothB77: Is 'burners' police slang for tear gas?  If so and the tear gas started the fire, then it very well could have been accidental.

They call them burners because they are known for setting fire to structures, they are multitaskers that can be used to flush someone out or used to burn down structures.


I'm playing devil's advocate here.  I don't know how this equipment works.

Let's say they have these tear gas canisters and the police only intend to gas him out.  They are called burners because the only way to release the gas is to turn it on, burn something within this canister.  The canisters are ignited, thrown into the cabin.  Then, whoa, the cabin catches on fire by mistake.

Is this a plausible scenario?
 
2013-02-13 12:28:54 PM
one bad pig roast
 
2013-02-13 12:29:39 PM
The love being for Donner is sickening. How is he a good guy? Fark is sickening today. Fark him all to hell
 
2013-02-13 12:29:55 PM

SlothB77: Giltric: SlothB77: Is 'burners' police slang for tear gas?  If so and the tear gas started the fire, then it very well could have been accidental.

They call them burners because they are known for setting fire to structures, they are multitaskers that can be used to flush someone out or used to burn down structures.

I'm playing devil's advocate here.  I don't know how this equipment works.

Let's say they have these tear gas canisters and the police only intend to gas him out.  They are called burners because the only way to release the gas is to turn it on, burn something within this canister.  The canisters are ignited, thrown into the cabin.  Then, whoa, the cabin catches on fire by mistake.

Is this a plausible scenario?


no
 
2013-02-13 12:30:29 PM
This whole thing is scary. Here we have got this guy, an ex cop, who appears to be pissed off at the LAPD because he allegedly got canned for reporting abuse by an officer on a civilian, and then we have reports that he allegedly shot people who were related to/are police. Whether or not these events are true is besides the point by now. What the astronomically bigger issue here, in my eyes, is the fact that the police have shown their colors to be murdering vigilantes. I admit I have never read any instruction manuals dictating what peace officers are supposed to do in different situations outside of "To serve an Protect", but I do know for a fact that unless they can substantiate imminent physical harm on their person, they are not supposed to go murdering people. They shot and nearly murdered 3 innocent people; 2 hispanic females and a caucasion male in TWO different pickups because they looked like a big black dude? They BURNED DOWN A CABIN because they THOUGHT HE MIGHT BE INSIDE? So the latest I've read is that it WASN'T him in there that burnt to a crisp, which means that the LAPD burned an innocent human being alive because they THOUGHT it was the man they were really trying to murder. This is not police work, this is judge, jury, and executioner. Judge Dredd comes to mind. This thing reeks to high hell, and I for one would like the man taken alive and have a trial, that is the way this country is SUPPOSED to work. If we find out he is indeed guilty, then hell, throw the book at him, fry is ass (I know this is california, but still). But it is pretty important to know first IF and WHY he did what he allegedly did, otherwise we are just another 3rd world shiat hole where you can fark someones life over with as little as claiming someone is a witch, or insulted islam. If those cops did indeed burn alive an innocent person in their quest for vigilantism revenge or silencing someone who "knows too much", a similar fate would probably be just, albeit impossible.

And no matter what the outcome of any of this, this country and it's states and their peoples need to demand more and better transparency, review, oversight, accountability, and I think most importantly physically documenting everything every officer does while on the clock. Every cop and K9 and robot, in every department from Local PDs, County Sheriffs, State Troopers, Federal Agents, etc., needs to have a mic and a HD camera (telling me the departments can't afford GoPros?) on their person and vehicle (probably multiple angles per vehicle) and in every room/office, and every phone used "on the job" tapped to document everything that is said, every altercation involving a person that is physically dealt with. The fact that in today's day and age of cheap electronics and information, warrentless taps, and swelling military-esque tactics and budgets, and eroding rights in the name of "safety", that cops are still operating under a shadow only invites corruption and begs to be probed by 3rd parties. That is hard to do when the people needing oversight are in control of what information is allowed to continue to exist in their departments. A line that they love to use comes to mind here: If you aren't doing anything wrong then you have got nothing to hide. Nothing to worry about. Evidently they are, and do.

/I think cops are absolutely vital to a functioning society
//I also think we shouldn't be relegated to filling departments with cowboys, bullies, and people who averaged C- in school.
///Idiots don't suddenly become smart because you are desperate enough to fill your ranks that you will hand them a badge and a gun.
////WTF are cops in LA, NY, and Chicago the most evil SOBs in the country?

/MFW this whole bullshiat:
i53.tinypic.com
 
2013-02-13 12:30:59 PM

the honey is in the banana hammock: doyner: the money is in the banana stand: Excuse me but he lost his ACCUSED status when he started shooting and killing cops.

Huh.  I thought one lost their accused status following a conviction, dismissal, or acquittal.

Ah so if I stand out in the open shooting people, I am not REALLY shooting people until I go through due process of the law? While he is not automatically guilty of previous accused crimes, the moment he started firing upon and killing cops, he became an immediate threat. To say because he is hiding in a cabin he is not a threat is silly. That isn't how things work. You don't go around shooting a bunch of people and yell time out, this isn't paintball here.


I'm not defending him.  I'm defending what the police exisit to defend.  Emotionally-charged support for lawlessness is dangerous no matter how viscerally gratifying.
 
2013-02-13 12:33:22 PM

the money is in the banana stand: doyner: the money is in the banana stand: Excuse me but he lost his ACCUSED status when he started shooting and killing cops.

Huh.  I thought one lost their accused status following a conviction, dismissal, or acquittal.

Ah so if I stand out in the open shooting people, I am not REALLY shooting people until I go through due process of the law? While he is not automatically guilty of previous accused crimes, the moment he started firing upon and killing cops, he became an immediate threat. To say because he is hiding in a cabin he is not a threat is silly. That isn't how things work. You don't go around shooting a bunch of people and yell time out, this isn't paintball here.



Actually, yeah it is how that works.  The *moment* a threat is no longer imminent, the game resets re: lethal force.  I know that doesn't play into the popular American Rambo culture, but we are supposed to be better than that.

And at this point, since the policia created a near complete third party media blackout, we don't have any real data that says this guy did anything.  What we have as facts are what he possibly posted online, some dead people, and cops attempting to execute people without identifying them or proof of threat.
 
2013-02-13 12:33:35 PM

SlothB77: Giltric: SlothB77: Is 'burners' police slang for tear gas?  If so and the tear gas started the fire, then it very well could have been accidental.

They call them burners because they are known for setting fire to structures, they are multitaskers that can be used to flush someone out or used to burn down structures.

I'm playing devil's advocate here.  I don't know how this equipment works.

Let's say they have these tear gas canisters and the police only intend to gas him out.  They are called burners because the only way to release the gas is to turn it on, burn something within this canister.  The canisters are ignited, thrown into the cabin.  Then, whoa, the cabin catches on fire by mistake.

Is this a plausible scenario?


Not when multiple cops are heard over the scanner and over live news reports saying burn the cabin down, burn this farker out.

If I say i'm going to burn your house down and your house burns down....guess who is a suspect?
 
2013-02-13 12:35:00 PM

Amos Quito: the money is in the banana stand: The cops committed premeditated murder.

And it wasn't just one cop. It had been planned in advance.

We're willing to assassinate US citizens using drones, and now we've apparently moved on to extrajudicial lynchings.

The shape of things to come?


/But the State of the Union Address was pretty cool

Who gives a fark if they killed him or used drones to kill some farkheads in Yemen? The world is better off without any of them.


I do. This is NOT the way that a rational, civilized nation that PRETENDS to live under the "Rule of Law" based on the Constitution conducts itself.

I do NOT want to see the US go down this road - and neither do you - but you're too muddle headed to see it.

Yet.


Oh yay the slippery slope argument. These are exceptions. Sometimes there needs to and will be exceptions
 
2013-02-13 12:38:13 PM

omeganuepsilon: Simple fact is. Once that gun drops, or suspect is lost, the game resets. No rights are waived permanently as you imply.


based on available information,  it appears there was gunfire initiated by dorner, and there was an imminent threat. cops can and do indeed get all shooty for a lot less, and shiat like the amadou diallo murder happens, but in this case they were receiving fire, and pretty much every legal justification for using deadly force is covered in this scenario.
 
2013-02-13 12:38:25 PM

the money is in the banana stand: doyner: the money is in the banana stand: Excuse me but he lost his ACCUSED status when he started shooting and killing cops.

Huh.  I thought one lost their accused status following a conviction, dismissal, or acquittal.

Ah so if I stand out in the open shooting people, I am not REALLY shooting people until I go through due process of the law? While he is not automatically guilty of previous accused crimes, the moment he started firing upon and killing cops, he became an immediate threat. To say because he is hiding in a cabin he is not a threat is silly. That isn't how things work. You don't go around shooting a bunch of people and yell time out, this isn't paintball here.



Okay, so as far as you're concerned, the national "Rules of Engagement" have changed, and it is now perfectly acceptable for cops to torch any suspect who they feel is a "threat".

Gotcha.
 
2013-02-13 12:39:44 PM

Popcorn Johnny: Amos Quito: Not a farking chance.

How about you post a link to the department issued device the police carry around for the purpose of starting fires? Should be simple, right?


Meh, they exist.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hand_grenade

Similar to a smoke grenade, the gas grenade burns lightly and emits smoke/gas, here's the skinny on smoke grenades from the wiki
"Whilst not intended as a primary effect, these grenades can generate enough heat to scald or burn unprotected skin and the spent casing should not be touched until it has cooled. "

A gas grenade is not going to instantly ignite walls and cause a roaring fire like we had so quickly, especially on finished wood that's cold. Anyone who has a lot of campfires can tell you that smooth wood is much harder to ignite because of a lack of surface area compared to split rough wood, and even then you need quite a bit of heat to get it going good.

The canisters can get quite warm, but do not actually blow up.  It would take minutes for any real sign of fire to even show, much less engulf entire walls.

It is possible, however unlikely, that there was another fuel source in there, but if that were the case we'd have typically heard an explosion(propane tank going up, or vapors from an accelerant whooshing.  Most other materials common to a house would smolder rather than become engulfed quickly from something that simply does not get roaring hot.

Here's a thought experiment.  People use wood cutting boards tables and counters all of the time, often setting very hot pans on them.  Hot enough to fry an egg, or burn the shiat out of it almost instantly, place it on a wood surface and it will discolor a bit but not go up in flames.

Want an actual experiment, place a sizable wood block in a frying pan on a high flame. See how long it takes for you to "fry" it before it's engulfed in flames.

It'll be a while, it will smoke and smolder for a long time, turn black.  That's because dry wood is a natural insulator, a lot of empty space inside of it.  Without soaking it in fuel(even wax or butter), much less lighter fluid, it son't do much else.

No, signs point to an incendiary grenade being used.
 
2013-02-13 12:45:16 PM

Bartleby the Scrivener: omeganuepsilon: Simple fact is. Once that gun drops, or suspect is lost, the game resets. No rights are waived permanently as you imply.

based on available information,  it appears there was gunfire initiated by dorner, and there was an imminent threat. cops can and do indeed get all shooty for a lot less, and shiat like the amadou diallo murder happens, but in this case they were receiving fire, and pretty much every legal justification for using deadly force is covered in this scenario.


But he did get away after that, for a time he was lost, how do you think he made it into the cabin?  They weren't even sure he was IN the cabin for quite a while.

And again, we still don't know if it WAS Dorner, or however was shooting at cops that morning.

They were operating on guesses and suspicions, and that's why the situation stinks.

In a firefight there's no guessing, you know where the bullets are coming from.  (not to be confused with a shooting, where bullets are not traded but are mostly one way).

But when that firefight ends, and you start guessing about the location of the suspect, all bets are off.
 
2013-02-13 12:45:47 PM

omeganuepsilon: Meh, they exist.


I've already said that smoke, tear gas and concussion grenades are capable of starting fires under the right conditions. That's not even close to being the same as the tin foil wearing segment of Fark claiming that they deployed devices that are used as fire starters.
 
2013-02-13 12:46:14 PM

Amos Quito: the money is in the banana stand: doyner: the money is in the banana stand: Excuse me but he lost his ACCUSED status when he started shooting and killing cops.

Huh.  I thought one lost their accused status following a conviction, dismissal, or acquittal.

Ah so if I stand out in the open shooting people, I am not REALLY shooting people until I go through due process of the law? While he is not automatically guilty of previous accused crimes, the moment he started firing upon and killing cops, he became an immediate threat. To say because he is hiding in a cabin he is not a threat is silly. That isn't how things work. You don't go around shooting a bunch of people and yell time out, this isn't paintball here.


Okay, so as far as you're concerned, the national "Rules of Engagement" have changed, and it is now perfectly acceptable for cops to torch any suspect who they feel is a "threat".

Gotcha.


If a suspect is firing upon cops, or has just fired upon cops and is in hiding. I have absolutely no issue with the cops using deadly force to take down the suspect. If, like others have said the "game" resets when he changes locations or after a magical time period, and they feel they will be endangered in ANY way so they decide to use deadly force, I am ok with that as well. If Dorner had not fired upon cops and was holed up in the cabin and they torched him, THAT is a different story. I think we can all agree that cops shouldn't be running around like Judge Dredd however, but this is not one of those cases. I think we can ALSO agree that the LAPD has not conducted themselves very professionally in this case, but the decision to smoke out or kill Dorner, I don't give a fark about that - as long as they reimburse the home owners for 100% of the damages, and made the decision absolutely knowing that there were no hostages or other people/animals in the cabin.
 
2013-02-13 12:46:26 PM
Is there confirmation it's him? I still got 70/30 odds they murdered some homeless man "accidentally."
 
2013-02-13 12:49:25 PM

raatz01: Is there confirmation it's him? I still got 70/30 odds they murdered some homeless man "accidentally."


LAPD still will not speculate as to whether Dorner kebab's condition should be upgraded to "still on the lamb"
 
2013-02-13 12:51:13 PM

the money is in the banana stand: Evilhippie: So they torch the big, bad, black man after shooting randomly at innocents.
Way to prove his points.

Dorner killed and shot some cops. Dorner killed innocent people.


So the take-away is that Dorner was a better shot than most of the LAPD?
 
2013-02-13 12:51:15 PM

raatz01: Is there confirmation it's him? I still got 70/30 odds they murdered some homeless man "accidentally."


Given the amount of ammo that cooked off when the fire got going, he was rather well stocked for a homeless man, especially considering the homeowner didn't have any guns.
 
2013-02-13 12:52:17 PM

nekom: Bathia_Mapes: Aces and Eights: AverageAmericanGuy: Aces and Eights: So whose cabin was this, anyway?

Seriously. I haven't seen a reference in any of the coverage that indicates the owner of the cabin. Was it Dorner's? Or just some random little-cabin-in-The-woods.

My understanding is that it was one of those type of cabins that you can rent, so it probably belonged to a company.

Sounds that way. I remember last night one of the news agencies interviewed the owner, who confirmed that it was unoccupied and lacked any utilities.


cbs or nbc or someone interviewed the owners, who were cooperating to provide the police with information on the layout etc.  It was a 5 cabins or so that were rentals.
 
2013-02-13 12:53:01 PM
What the f*ck. I had to duck out on the other thread--someone please, please tell me that the police did not  set the f*cking house on fire with at least one hostage and Dorner inside ofit.

Motherf*cking hell, if they did that I hope the FBI shuts the entire f*cking LAPD down. What the f*ck.
 
2013-02-13 12:53:46 PM

raatz01: Is there confirmation it's him? I still got 70/30 odds they murdered some homeless man "accidentally."


According to this article, they found his driver's license. Unless he left it there, along with an unidentified body that is not him, I'd say they got their man.
 
2013-02-13 12:56:31 PM

Amos Quito: Popcorn Johnny: One paniced officer on a radio saying to "burn the motherfarker down" is not proof that they torched the cabin. What do you think they did, ran up to the cabin with a Bic? Maybe they fired flaming arrows or tossed Molotov cocktails.


Trollin?

Listen to the audio from the police scanner - the "fun" begins at the 1:00 mark

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCdqybEfy9w&feature=youtu.be

Approximate transcript:

Cop 1: "We're going to go forward with - a - with the plan... with the burner."
Cop 2: "Copy"
Cop 1: "It's a... It's like we talked about"

[silence]

Cop 1: "The burner has been deployed and we have a fire"
Dispatcher: "Copy (seven?) burner has been deployed and we have a fire"

The cops committed premeditated murder.

And it wasn't just one cop. It had been planned in advance.



Check out this recording:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xJW7foStBY
 
2013-02-13 12:57:51 PM

the money is in the banana stand: Amos Quito: the money is in the banana stand: The cops committed premeditated murder.

And it wasn't just one cop. It had been planned in advance.

We're willing to assassinate US citizens using drones, and now we've apparently moved on to extrajudicial lynchings.

The shape of things to come?


/But the State of the Union Address was pretty cool

Who gives a fark if they killed him or used drones to kill some farkheads in Yemen? The world is better off without any of them.


I do. This is NOT the way that a rational, civilized nation that PRETENDS to live under the "Rule of Law" based on the Constitution conducts itself.

I do NOT want to see the US go down this road - and neither do you - but you're too muddle headed to see it.

Yet.

Oh yay the slippery slope argument. These are exceptions. Sometimes there needs to and will be exceptions


The idea that the "slippery slope argument" has no validity is a fallacy.

It is implying that things can never, by stages, get progressively worse, and that, sir, is bullshiat.
 
2013-02-13 12:57:56 PM

PsiChick: What the f*ck. I had to duck out on the other thread--someone please, please tell me that the police did not  set the f*cking house on fire with at least one hostage and Dorner inside ofit.

Motherf*cking hell, if they did that I hope the FBI shuts the entire f*cking LAPD down. What the f*ck.


Why is it so hard for everyone to understand that the San Bernardino sheriffs office was running this operation??
 
2013-02-13 12:59:35 PM
Riverside Officer Michael Crain, 34, a married father of two who served two tours in Kuwait as a rifleman in the Marines, was killed by Dorner.

A father of two with a wife was killed by your f'ing 'hero'.  Along with a 28 year old female basketball coach.  Way to show it to the 'man'.
 
2013-02-13 01:00:05 PM

moike: And given the context of the radio transcription, they did.


Let me guess, the pictures from the Pentagon also prove that there was no plane, right?
 
2013-02-13 01:02:25 PM

Bathsalt: PsiChick: What the f*ck. I had to duck out on the other thread--someone please, please tell me that the police did not  set the f*cking house on fire with at least one hostage and Dorner inside ofit.

Motherf*cking hell, if they did that I hope the FBI shuts the entire f*cking LAPD down. What the f*ck.

Why is it so hard for everyone to understand that the San Bernardino sheriffs office was running this operation??


I don't understand.  That doesn't seem like it fits into the conspiracy.  You must be wrong.
 
2013-02-13 01:02:52 PM

Amos Quito: the money is in the banana stand: Amos Quito: the money is in the banana stand: The cops committed premeditated murder.

And it wasn't just one cop. It had been planned in advance.

We're willing to assassinate US citizens using drones, and now we've apparently moved on to extrajudicial lynchings.

The shape of things to come?


/But the State of the Union Address was pretty cool

Who gives a fark if they killed him or used drones to kill some farkheads in Yemen? The world is better off without any of them.


I do. This is NOT the way that a rational, civilized nation that PRETENDS to live under the "Rule of Law" based on the Constitution conducts itself.

I do NOT want to see the US go down this road - and neither do you - but you're too muddle headed to see it.

Yet.

Oh yay the slippery slope argument. These are exceptions. Sometimes there needs to and will be exceptions

The idea that the "slippery slope argument" has no validity is a fallacy.

It is implying that things can never, by stages, get progressively worse, and that, sir, is bullshiat.


The slippery slope argument does have validity, but to say because we allow drone strikes overseas on American citizens that this will lead to drone strikes locally on "suspected" insurgents, and that because we allowed the cops to kill Dorner this gives carte blanche for cops to turn into Judge Dredd is just a weeeeeeeeeee bit of a hyperbole and irrational fear. Of course this behavior needs to be kept in check so that it does not cross a line, and as far as I am concerned that line has not been crossed in either of these instances.
 
2013-02-13 01:03:49 PM

rinasaunce: Riverside Officer Michael Crain, 34, a married father of two who served two tours in Kuwait as a rifleman in the Marines, was killed by Dorner.

A father of two with a wife was killed by your f'ing 'hero'.  Along with a 28 year old female basketball coach.  Way to show it to the 'man'.


Maybe he did.  Maybe he didn't.  Now we'll never know.  Schrodinger's Narrative is coalescing.
 
2013-02-13 01:04:31 PM
Can't tell if trolling or subhuman intelligence. Transcript clearly shows police intended it burned down with him inside, and it burned down with someone inside.
 
2013-02-13 01:05:28 PM

Regarding The Last Resort, Aileen Wuornos approves, to wit, her pre-executuion interview sounds sorta like Krispy Dorner's indelicate "Manifesto."



Wuornos interview 1 day before execution
 
2013-02-13 01:06:07 PM

BafflerMeal: Maybe he did.


Gee, let's see.  Dorner said he did.  He took credit for it.  He called and taunted the victim's relatives.

/Are you out of tin foil?  Need more?
 
2013-02-13 01:06:38 PM
Sorry,

Dr. Goldshnoz: Can't tell if trolling or subhuman intelligence. Transcript clearly shows police intended it burned down with him inside, and it burned down with someone inside.


Was meant for

Popcorn Johnny: moike: And given the context of the radio transcription, they did.

Let me guess, the pictures from the Pentagon also prove that there was no plane, right?

 
2013-02-13 01:10:11 PM

Dr. Goldshnoz: Can't tell if trolling or subhuman intelligence. Transcript clearly shows police intended it burned down with him inside, and it burned down with someone inside.


Thats the only thing that bugs me.  I wish they'd just say they burnt the farken thing down.

At least to reasonable people, there is nothing wrong with saying "we had a very dangerous individual isolated.  He had killed and or injured numerous cops and civilians.  We did not think it was safe for our officers to go in to get him.  He refused to come out on his own.  If we were to let him remain for a long stand off, the probability of him popping out at some point and attempting to take as many officers down with him as possible was extremely high.  We choose to create a situation where he would have to come out in a relatively short period of time, when we could more accurately control the situation.  We are deeply saddened that he chose not to surrender himself at any point of this long series of events.  However, he apparently has chosen to shoot himself rather than turn himself in when forced to make a final decision."
 
2013-02-13 01:10:52 PM

Amos Quito: leahruthie: Spartapuss: omeganuepsilon: They just held a press conference ( Saw on CNN) Still on...

"We know nothing new."

Thanks for taking the time to hold a press conference.

Still too hot for a body search?

too hot for a body search, body burned beyond recognition... but yet a wallet was found intact?

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/02/13/dorner-lapd-off ic er-fugitive-gunbattle/1915961/


The Miracle Wallet!

Why am I reminded of a certain, near-pristine PASSPORT that was found in the rubble of the Twin Towers after 911?

[files.abovetopsecret.com image 424x549]

Also from your link:

"Police said Dorner, 33, had been holed up since Thursday in another cabin 20 to 30 yards from the site where news media gathered and received sheriff's briefings daily on the massive manhunt after his burned truck was found earlier that day."

LULZ!

This story keeps getting better and better.


They already had his ID from when he tried to steal the boat.  See page 4 of attached document
 
2013-02-13 01:13:39 PM
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-dorner-charges-20130212,0,596 9 685,full.story

After authorities interviewed the boat captain early Thursday, they found Dorner's wallet and identification cards "at the San Ysidro Point of Entry"

http://www.mercurynews.com/crime-courts/ci_22580199/christopher-dorn er -manhunt-body-found-inside-burned-out

He never emerged from the ruins and hours later a charred body was found in the basement of the burned cabin along with a wallet and personal items, including a California driver's license with the name Christopher Dorner

So if his wallet and identification cards were found tossed earlier in the week, how did cops find his wallet and driver's license in the burned out house?
 
2013-02-13 01:15:31 PM

tolallorti: http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-dorner-charges-20130212,0,596 9 685,full.story

After authorities interviewed the boat captain early Thursday, they found Dorner's wallet and identification cards "at the San Ysidro Point of Entry"

http://www.mercurynews.com/crime-courts/ci_22580199/christopher-dorn er -manhunt-body-found-inside-burned-out

He never emerged from the ruins and hours later a charred body was found in the basement of the burned cabin along with a wallet and personal items, including a California driver's license with the name Christopher Dorner

So if his wallet and identification cards were found tossed earlier in the week, how did cops find his wallet and driver's license in the burned out house?


this is also bugging the shiat out of me.
 
2013-02-13 01:17:59 PM
Here's another gem I came across.
pbs.twimg.com
 
2013-02-13 01:19:25 PM

Dr. Goldshnoz: tolallorti: http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-dorner-charges-20130212,0,596 9 685,full.story

After authorities interviewed the boat captain early Thursday, they found Dorner's wallet and identification cards "at the San Ysidro Point of Entry"

http://www.mercurynews.com/crime-courts/ci_22580199/christopher-dorn er -manhunt-body-found-inside-burned-out

He never emerged from the ruins and hours later a charred body was found in the basement of the burned cabin along with a wallet and personal items, including a California driver's license with the name Christopher Dorner

So if his wallet and identification cards were found tossed earlier in the week, how did cops find his wallet and driver's license in the burned out house?

this is also bugging the shiat out of me.


Because in the midst of running all over SoCal while getting into two shootouts, setting fire to his truck, trying to steal a boat, getting scuba tanks, losing his wallet, and kidnapping a couple of people and stealing their truck, he had time to stand in line at the DMV for several hours.
 
2013-02-13 01:19:59 PM

omeganuepsilon: But he did get away after that, for a time he was lost, how do you think he made it into the cabin?  They weren't even sure he was IN the cabin for quite a while.


My mistake here, I had not seen the video until I went on break after my last post.  They knew someone was in the cabin with whom they'd just traded fire, seemingly from the video.  Still doesn't warrant how they did what they did, burning the place down.

Popcorn Johnny: omeganuepsilon: Meh, they exist.

I've already said that smoke, tear gas and concussion grenades are capable of starting fires under the right conditions. That's not even close to being the same as the tin foil wearing segment of Fark claiming that they deployed devices that are used as fire starters.


If you want to argue, address my logic about how difficult it is to get finished wood to burn. That is the very premise of debate.  Not saying "neener neener, i am infallible".

If you want to simply repeat some bullshiat pulled directly from your rectum and not have a rational discussion...continue as you were before I quoted you, I suppose.

SirVagTheTighty: Bathsalt: PsiChick: What the f*ck. I had to duck out on the other thread--someone please, please tell me that the police did not  set the f*cking house on fire with at least one hostage and Dorner inside ofit.

Motherf*cking hell, if they did that I hope the FBI shuts the entire f*cking LAPD down. What the f*ck.

Why is it so hard for everyone to understand that the San Bernardino sheriffs office was running this operation??

I don't understand.  That doesn't seem like it fits into the conspiracy.  You must be wrong.


I've also heard that it was LA SWAT that did the actual siege.  *shrugs*
Time will tell, farking media and their "sources".
 
2013-02-13 01:21:41 PM

rinasaunce: BafflerMeal: Maybe he did.

Gee, let's see.  Dorner said he did.  He took credit for it.  He called and taunted the victim's relatives.

/Are you out of tin foil?  Need more?



He never actually 'said' anything.  There was an online post that 'read' in a suggestive manner which was attributed to him.

The phone call was not from him and came from another part of the country.

No tin foil needed.  As flawed as they can be, I just prefer my criminality to be tried in the courts, not on TV.

/and it seems you aren't even keeping up with that narrative well...
 
2013-02-13 01:21:56 PM

Dr. Goldshnoz: tolallorti: http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-dorner-charges-20130212,0,596 9 685,full.story

After authorities interviewed the boat captain early Thursday, they found Dorner's wallet and identification cards "at the San Ysidro Point of Entry"

http://www.mercurynews.com/crime-courts/ci_22580199/christopher-dorn er -manhunt-body-found-inside-burned-out

He never emerged from the ruins and hours later a charred body was found in the basement of the burned cabin along with a wallet and personal items, including a California driver's license with the name Christopher Dorner

So if his wallet and identification cards were found tossed earlier in the week, how did cops find his wallet and driver's license in the burned out house?

this is also bugging the shiat out of me.


Dude apparently can't drive for shiat either.  He broke the axle on one car, wrecked another one,  then drove a third straight through a check point (also how does fish and wild life guys wind up manning a check point for a serial killer?)

I'll check it up to the media reporting whatever random rumors they hear and playing telephone for the moment, but it will be interesting to hear a final story
 
2013-02-13 01:24:59 PM

SirVagTheTighty:
(also how does fish and wild life guys wind up manning a check point for a serial killer?)


I don't know how it is there, but here in Pennsylvania the fish and game commission police are actual, factual cops. They all carry firearms and they do have the power to arrest you. They are most certainly a law enforcement branch.
 
2013-02-13 01:25:14 PM

SirVagTheTighty: Dude apparently can't drive for shiat either.  He broke the axle on one car, wrecked another one,  then drove a third straight through a check point (also how does fish and wild life guys wind up manning a check point for a serial killer?)


F&W guys are law enforcement officers, and they are likely more familiar with the area then LAPD or even state troopers.  Local sheriffs probably don't have the manpower.

I don't see a problem with it.
 
2013-02-13 01:25:25 PM
The more I see footage of this guy, the more I realize that he was a tubby, butterfaced chimpy 'roid-raging douchebag; a douchebag who was, for all practical  purposes, begging for a good killing. Well, it was a good death. I may go by The Last Resort and throw down a drink or two to commemorate his passing.  Aileen would have wanted it this way.....
 
2013-02-13 01:25:28 PM

SirVagTheTighty: (also how does fish and wild life guys wind up manning a check point for a serial killer?)


slightly off topic, but I used to do some work for a (very) small oil company in socal, those guys were scared shiatless of fish & game.
 
2013-02-13 01:27:29 PM

rinasaunce: BafflerMeal: Maybe he did.

Gee, let's see.  Dorner said he did.  He took credit for it.   He called and taunted the victim's relatives.

/Are you out of tin foil?  Need more?



No, he didn't:

CNN:

"And Monica Quan's father told investigators that someone identifying himself as Dorner called him Thursday and told him he "should have done a better job of protecting his daughter," the federal affidavit states. Investigators traced the call to Vancouver, Washington, but based on the timing of other sightings, they don't believe Dorner was in Vancouver at the time, the affidavit states."


There, your lie mistake has been corrected.

It is now your duty to correct others who might repeat the same lie mistake.


/You're welcome
 
2013-02-13 01:27:30 PM

nekom: SirVagTheTighty:
(also how does fish and wild life guys wind up manning a check point for a serial killer?)


I don't know how it is there, but here in Pennsylvania the fish and game commission police are actual, factual cops. They all carry firearms and they do have the power to arrest you. They are most certainly a law enforcement branch.


I am in the midwest too so don't know.  They may have police powers here (ky/oh) but I'd certainly never expect to see them in the middle of something like this....
 
2013-02-13 01:28:39 PM

SirVagTheTighty: nekom: SirVagTheTighty:
(also how does fish and wild life guys wind up manning a check point for a serial killer?)


I don't know how it is there, but here in Pennsylvania the fish and game commission police are actual, factual cops. They all carry firearms and they do have the power to arrest you. They are most certainly a law enforcement branch.

I am in the midwest too so don't know.  They may have police powers here (ky/oh) but I'd certainly never expect to see them in the middle of something like this....


NOBODY EXPECTS THE FISH AND GAME DEPARTMENT!
 
2013-02-13 01:28:43 PM

dittybopper:
they are likely more familiar with the area then LAPD or even state troopers. .


Also this. Who better to go tracking someone through the woods than someone familiar with the land.
 
2013-02-13 01:29:07 PM

Dr. Goldshnoz: SirVagTheTighty: (also how does fish and wild life guys wind up manning a check point for a serial killer?)

slightly off topic, but I used to do some work for a (very) small oil company in socal, those guys were scared shiatless of fish & game.


Maybe I just am not familiar enough with them I guess.
 
2013-02-13 01:29:46 PM

fredklein: nekom: He wasn't some Robin Hood out to change the system, he was just mad because he lost his job.

He lost his job because he reported another cop for kicking a suspect in the face. The Board Of Review that looked at his firing was filled with personal friends of the cop he accused.

You don't see anything wrong with any of that?


At least he was able to appeal the decision.  Most people just get fired.
 
2013-02-13 01:31:19 PM

noheadphones: fredklein: nekom: He wasn't some Robin Hood out to change the system, he was just mad because he lost his job.

He lost his job because he reported another cop for kicking a suspect in the face. The Board Of Review that looked at his firing was filled with personal friends of the cop he accused.

You don't see anything wrong with any of that?

At least he was able to appeal the decision.  Most people just get fired.


There are things worse than being fired anyways.  Hell a handful of people got killed over that decision that hand nothing to do with it....
 
IP
2013-02-13 01:33:05 PM
That's just fantastic, subby.  +100
 
2013-02-13 01:34:39 PM

Fano: styckx: The Shatner Incident: Does anyone think that law enforcement set the place on fire to kill him a la Waco?

/considering the state of LE, I don't doubt it.

Anyon