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2013-02-12 09:32:23 PM
9 votes:
People who who in fields with lots of really smart people don't ever think about stupid IQ tests.  Go hang out with a bunch of astrophysicists, or particle physicists, or brain surgeons, or whatever.  You won't hear anybody rambling on about scores that they got on a test that is poorly calibrated for anybody over 140 or so anyway.

I don't care what you scored on a test.  I really don't - it doesn't mean anything.  You can impress me by what you can actually achieve in school, or in work, or in your hobby.  An IQ of 160 is what, 4 standard deviations above the mean?  That means that there are literally 10s of millions of people who have been smarter than Einstein.  But I'll take an Einstein any day over somebody who might score better on a test than him.
2013-02-12 08:51:25 PM
8 votes:
"everybody before me had got around the 130 mark"

Invalid test.
2013-02-12 07:26:42 PM
8 votes:
IQ scores become less valid as they get farther from the mean, simply because a lucky guess on one question can have a large effect. Once you are getting scores above about three standard deviations (145) all you can say with certainty is that the person probably has an IQ greater than 145. To give a precise numerical value is meaningless. Of course a highly intelligent person would know that.
2013-02-12 09:35:02 PM
6 votes:
Good for her.  The hard part is putting an intellect like that to use in a fulfilling and worthwhile manner while not letting it turn you into a cynical bastard that hates the zombie hordes of farking idiots that you spend life surrounded by.
2013-02-12 09:28:38 PM
5 votes:
Asia Carrera is a member of Mensa, just so we're clear on how meaningful IQ scores are these days.
2013-02-12 07:56:04 PM
5 votes:
It's not what you have, it's what you do with it.
2013-02-12 09:06:22 PM
4 votes:
"bigger IQ" subby?
I think you mean "higher IQ"
2013-02-12 09:46:14 PM
3 votes:
I had a 145 IQ but then I took a whiskey to the brian
2013-02-12 09:36:22 PM
3 votes:
Of COURSE her IQ is higher than Einstein's. Einstein's dead.
2013-02-12 09:33:55 PM
3 votes:

revrendjim: IQ scores become less valid as they get farther from the mean, simply because a lucky guess on one question can have a large effect. Once you are getting scores above about three standard deviations (145) all you can say with certainty is that the person probably has an IQ greater than 145. To give a precise numerical value is meaningless. Of course a highly intelligent person would know that.


In all fairness to the girl, an intelligent person probably also has some amount of ability to plan forward and knows that her name showing up in a bunch of news articles about how unnaturally intelligent she is.  So, strategically, playing it up even though you know it's pretty much nonsense is a good strategic decision for someone about to run university and scholarship applications (especially if she wants to study in another country, where the A-levels system won't benefit her).

mamoru: Considering that IQ scores are (as I understand it) based on the current population, and the average is always 100, and surely the methods of measuring it have changed, is it even meaningful at all to compare a current IQ score with those of another time period?


It's a statistical index.  As mentioned before, 145+ means you're in the top one-percent-ish of the population for whatever the test measures.  What the test actually measures isn't actually particularly well defined apart from "the ability to do this kind of test", though, so take that with the requisite grain o' salt.
2013-02-12 07:23:16 PM
3 votes:
Lauren, of Loughton, Essex, is the daughter of a black cab driver

This could be part of the reason. Studies of black cab drivers show them to be unusually intelligent, being required to know the areas they drive extremely well. The test they have to pass averages 12 attempts and almost three years of practice.
2013-02-13 10:24:40 AM
2 votes:
Aidan:

I really really really wish schools were oriented toward teaching children, especially higher IQ children, to not only identify what they want to do, but how to achieve it with good, hard work. I think we'd see more tangible results from of our purportedly extra-tasty brains.

Holy shiat, this.

Our unwillingness to develop gifted students properly is one of the biggest failures of our educational system (if not the biggest).
m00
2013-02-13 12:10:57 AM
2 votes:

chaosweaver: CSB time, now...

I went to the MN state fair a couple years ago with my previous girlfriend, and we found the Mensa booth. Girlfriend was very gung ho about trying to join, and sat down right then and there, trying to figure out the tests they had set up.

Being bored out of my skull for the next fifteen minutes, mostly due to the fact that the only booths nearby were for churches and private colleges, I decided to take a look at them, myself. I grabbed the nearest one and completed it in a matter of seconds. I then reset it and did it in a different way.

The person watching the booth was staring at me by the time I looked up after the 7th time completing the little test. When his brain finally re-engaged, he asked me if I would come in and take the official test. I politely declined, and we moved on.

Before anyone calls me a pretentious ass for this story, I did not decline because I felt I was better than them, or for any other, equally douche-tastic reason. My brain seems to be built for creative problem solving, and general creativity. One of the reasons I write and love to cook. At any given time, I have 7 ideas for short stories in my head. However, when it comes to showing my work, or even describing a recipe, I'm completely at a loss. This of course makes writing and teaching a little difficult at times. That alone makes me feel that I'm not Mensa material.

That, and people would likely expect more from me if I did join, and I'm okay with taking it easy now that I'm out of the Military.

/end CSB


Pocket Ninja clearly has a higher IQ than you.
2013-02-12 11:33:49 PM
2 votes:
CSB time, now...

I went to the MN state fair a couple years ago with my previous girlfriend, and we found the Mensa booth. Girlfriend was very gung ho about trying to join, and sat down right then and there, trying to figure out the tests they had set up.

Being bored out of my skull for the next fifteen minutes, mostly due to the fact that the only booths nearby were for churches and private colleges, I decided to take a look at them, myself. I grabbed the nearest one and completed it in a matter of seconds. I then reset it and did it in a different way.

The person watching the booth was staring at me by the time I looked up after the 7th time completing the little test. When his brain finally re-engaged, he asked me if I would come in and take the official test. I politely declined, and we moved on.

Before anyone calls me a pretentious ass for this story, I did not decline because I felt I was better than them, or for any other, equally douche-tastic reason. My brain seems to be built for creative problem solving, and general creativity. One of the reasons I write and love to cook. At any given time, I have 7 ideas for short stories in my head. However, when it comes to showing my work, or even describing a recipe, I'm completely at a loss. This of course makes writing and teaching a little difficult at times. That alone makes me feel that I'm not Mensa material.

That, and people would likely expect more from me if I did join, and I'm okay with taking it easy now that I'm out of the Military.

/end CSB
2013-02-12 10:45:13 PM
2 votes:
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2013-02-12 10:32:00 PM
2 votes:
Sooo.....all her classmates get a 130?  Somethings wrong here.
2013-02-12 10:25:57 PM
2 votes:

sethen320: Who the fark is Hawkins?


I think they mean this Hawking dude:

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2013-02-12 10:12:42 PM
2 votes:

Joafu: "Thrilled Lauren, of Loughton, Essex, is the daughter of a black cab driver"


What a black cab might look like:
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2013-02-12 10:08:57 PM
2 votes:

Krazikarl: People who who in fields with lots of really smart people don't ever think about stupid IQ tests.  Go hang out with a bunch of astrophysicists, or particle physicists, or brain surgeons, or whatever.  You won't hear anybody rambling on about scores that they got on a test that is poorly calibrated for anybody over 140 or so anyway.

I don't care what you scored on a test.  I really don't - it doesn't mean anything.  You can impress me by what you can actually achieve in school, or in work, or in your hobby.  An IQ of 160 is what, 4 standard deviations above the mean?  That means that there are literally 10s of millions of people who have been smarter than Einstein.  But I'll take an Einstein any day over somebody who might score better on a test than him.


QFT.

Guy bragging about an IQ score = Guy who's insecure about his crap dead-end job
2013-02-12 10:07:19 PM
2 votes:

2wolves: It's not what you have, it's what you do with it.


This...

I have probably a story that goes beyond the ordinary... in my youth they tested all the kids for a prototype program for the high IQ kids... and (of course as I'll telling this story), I got in without really wanting to, but they insisted.

The other kids were the typical stereotypes, but I was the "bad apple"... I had trouble in my classes, in large because of my outside-school life that was fairly stupid.. and I was bringing the average of the group down.

So they retested me, and due to their own rules, they were not able to kick me out as I was one of the highest scores (if not the highest, but they'd never tell).

I've done quite a few tests and I've always scored from around 150 to over 180.

Now the other kids of this group had been pumped that they'd be the future head of government, leaders of men, lawyers, doctors, etc.  So far, I've yet to see or hear from a single one that did anything news worthy, if anything, the few I have come across during the years have all ended up with very mediocre lives.

While myself, I quit school, went to night school to get my diploma and some college, etc. and did a shiatload of stupid things, but overall, I have a lot of abilities to figure stuff out, build, plan, etc. but for life stuff, I did a lot of mistakes, but at least nothing that I haven't been able to fix at some point.

So when it comes to IQ, sure, according to these tests I'm a genius, and I can outdo a crapload of people for many things, I'm a faster thinker, and usually can calculate a lot more details than others do, but I've learned that there's so many stupid people, and so many that managed to get quite far in life and end up being the ones that one can end up bumping heads against, that it's better to just do your best, enjoy life, etc.

My biggest flaw is my memory for names, numbers, and some areas, while it's great for others, but as I get older, I've notices that instead of remembering things like other people state they do (or can), I find that I simply integrate things into some sort of global pool of knowledge without remembering how I learned it, from where, or who, just that I know things (and can easily look them up to confirm).

But still, because I can't learn things "by heart", I would never be able to be a doctor/surgeon or such things, even though I probably would be able to learn procedures, do them flawlessly and know everything inside out about it, but would not be able to do the paperwork.  I love science and medicine and if life would have been different, I probably would have been someone that could have done huge things, but I was never pulled or pushed in the right direction.

So my point for all this is that your point is a very valid one, IQ is in very wide field and doesn't mean much... it really is a question of how this "IQ" works, and how one can use it.

I seriously would believe that some people that could be/could have been huge contributors to science, never get/got to because life didn't give them the chance, whatever the reasons.
2013-02-12 10:06:43 PM
2 votes:
So, just who *is* this Hawkins, anyway?
2013-02-12 09:54:20 PM
2 votes:
Yeah.  Whatever.  Very interesting.  Anyway, what's the deal with the "Featured Partner" bullshiat that we're not permitted to comment on?  Lame, lame, lame, lame!
2013-02-12 09:44:34 PM
2 votes:
bigger IQ than Einstein and Hawkins

Say what now?
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2013-02-12 09:31:24 PM
2 votes:

KellyKellyKelly: "Cute" and Sun link?  Seems suspicious...

*click*

...OK, I'll accept it.


Subbies know they have to find *real* Cuties once in a while or eventually even the thickies will catch on.

This one's passable, vaguely better than English cute, but still no Boxxy or Jennifer Love Hewitt.
2013-02-12 09:28:01 PM
2 votes:
Loves "fake tanning?" Sorry but she's not that smart or as good-looking as the photos suggest.
2013-02-12 09:14:25 PM
2 votes:
And it makes her officially smarter than brainboxes like Professor Stephen Hawking and Microsoft billionaire Bill Gates, who both scored a mere 160.

Yeah, that's how it works.
2013-02-12 09:03:47 PM
2 votes:

ArkAngel: Lauren, of Loughton, Essex, is the daughter of a black cab driver

This could be part of the reason. Studies of black cab drivers show them to be unusually intelligent, being required to know the areas they drive extremely well. The test they have to pass averages 12 attempts and almost three years of practice.


mephisto_kur: "everybody before me had got around the 130 mark"

Invalid test.


Glad to see these two points made.
2013-02-12 06:52:05 PM
2 votes:
Towie fan scores 161 on IQ test
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2013-02-13 10:14:28 PM
1 votes:

g4lt: Pochas: g4lt: Pochas: Spaced Cowboy: g4lt: ITT, a DSW over who has the highest IQ.   Also ITT, all these "smart people" failing to point out that their massive brains are on hold for most of their lives whilst they flip burgers for a living, if they're not just living in mommy's basement

ITT, sad middle managers, promoted only because it was less paperwork than firing them, come in here and lament the fact that even the 18 year old interns laugh at him daily for being such a useless, middle age farkup.

/odds are I'm hitting closer to home than you are

Snap somebody call the burn ward.

Glad to see that "free wifi" is working out for you two, now GBTW, those burgers won't flip themselves...


Lol I am a research scientist, wtf do you do all day?  "Supervise" some spreadsheet drones?  You aren't even on my level.

Yanno, this is like comedy found gold  Seriously,

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I don't know precisely WHAT I did to rile you and your sock-puppeteer up, but I'll sure as hell take credit for it, because apparently it hit really close to home.  Either way, it's clear that you have a major problem with your life, because normal happy people don't respond to this kind of snark with that amount of butthurt.  I mean, I was a "research scientist" once too, when I was fifteen.  I just happened to not particularly think that my life was cut out for doing fish counts and harvesting roe.  So you can put that thing away, we really don't need to take a tape measure to it, we'll take your farking word for it.  Yes, your ePeen is six whole inches, sure, we'll allow you that claim.  In this life, you can either talk the talk or walk the walk, and guess what you're doing.  Me?  I just laughed at all you all waving around those ePeens like they were something worth caring about.  HINT: They're not.


I made it 2, maybe 3 lines into that hot mess.  That's a huge wall of mad for a dude that claims not to be mad.

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2013-02-13 02:49:58 PM
1 votes:
CSB:

When I was a youngster living in the rural South in the mid-70s, I discovered that enjoying geeky pursuits like reading science fiction was asking for an asskicking. Because of parental circumstances (abusive stepdad, a mom who drank), my homelife was fairly miserable, and because we moved so much during my childhood, I never got to make any real friends.  Plus, I had the extra fun of growing up gay in a small town, which was as much fun as you might think.

I discovered Mensa when I was in high school, and after taking the self-test and then a proctored test at the local library, I joined. I thought, "Eureka! (you can see why I was getting the asskickings), I have found a group that will accept me and that will not make me feel like an outcast."

Except:
A-I was a geeky teenager and the Mensans were a bunch of sadsack old people.
B-Instead of indulging in fun activities like 3-D chess or word games, Mensans spent most of their time moaning about how nobody appreciated them and how superior they were to the normals.

Luckily, once I went to college, I discovered friends and the gym, and managed to bloom into a fairly outgoing person. And now in 2013 we have the Internet, so there's no need to pay an annual membership fee to hang out with whiny, high-IQ losers, when I can do that on Fark for free! (I kid, I kid)
2013-02-13 02:25:59 PM
1 votes:

g4lt: ITT, a DSW over who has the highest IQ.   Also ITT, all these "smart people" failing to point out that their massive brains are on hold for most of their lives whilst they flip burgers for a living, if they're not just living in mommy's basement


ITT, sad middle managers, promoted only because it was less paperwork than firing them, come in here and lament the fact that even the 18 year old interns laugh at him daily for being such a useless, middle age farkup.

/odds are I'm hitting closer to home than you are
2013-02-13 12:56:23 PM
1 votes:

raatz01: Neither Einstein or Hawking took an IQ test. They didn't believe in their validity.



Also I would point out that the first picture of this girl is a pic of her holding her gigantic IQ test study book.

I was administered an IQ test once.  I didn't get to study beforehand as I am pretty sure most people don't, so that alone basically nullifies the validity of the test in this case.
2013-02-13 12:09:10 PM
1 votes:

craig328: In fact, the high IQ actually hurt me because I never developed study skills until around my 2nd or 3rd year of university.


Yup.
2013-02-13 10:46:43 AM
1 votes:

revrendjim: IQ scores become less valid as they get farther from the mean, simply because a lucky guess on one question can have a large effect. Once you are getting scores above about three standard deviations (145) all you can say with certainty is that the person probably has an IQ greater than 145. To give a precise numerical value is meaningless. Of course a highly intelligent person would know that.


Not exactly true. The majority of instruments are made for three standard deviations above and below the mean, and once the matrices show something higher than 150 you ought to confirm with a different instrument designed for this. As to lucky guesses, raw score does not translate in a fixed ratio to intelligence score but instead represents the increasing difference between higher and lower scores. Further, some instruments look for consistency in response, with a lucky guess continuing the assessment for longer but not contributing to an increased score in isolation.

mamoru: Considering that IQ scores are (as I understand it) based on the current population, and the average is always 100, and surely the methods of measuring it have changed, is it even meaningful at all to compare a current IQ score with those of another time period?


Yes, this is meaningful to suggest similarity of general intellectual aptitude because while there are apparently substantial increases over time the difference from the mean captures the developmental nature of intelligence. Thus, while a modern 160 would score much higher on a yesteryear instrument, and a yesteryear 160 would score much lower on a modern instrument, this is due to development in the period. A yesteryear 160, say Einstein, who was instead born in the present should have a development more in line with the present which would give him a modern 160, and the same with this girl being born in the 1880s. Direct comparison of the numbers would be inaccurate to do, but this is because this would be an inaccurate conception of intelligence as static.

Mr. Shabooboo: Ya, but can she manipulate knowledge into the abstract the way that Einstein and Hawking do?


No as IQ is a reflection of cognitive age, and cognitive development partially reflects ability to handle abstraction from the sheer inability to great mastery.

Krazikarl: People who who in fields with lots of really smart people don't ever think about stupid IQ tests.  Go hang out with a bunch of astrophysicists, or particle physicists, or brain surgeons, or whatever.  You won't hear anybody rambling on about scores that they got on a test that is poorly calibrated for anybody over 140 or so anyway.


I think about such instruments, but because this is part of my profession and more for the pleasure of the state labeling system than my own need to have a number.

Aidan: I really really really wish schools were oriented toward teaching children, especially higher IQ children, to not only identify what they want to do, but how to achieve it with good, hard work. I think we'd see more tangible results from of our purportedly extra-tasty brains.


Getting appropriate services into schools for gifted is exactly why I do advocacy, research, program coordination, and teaching. However, this is a protracted fight, especially without a federal mandate to identify, fund, service, etc., in schools.
2013-02-13 10:31:47 AM
1 votes:

m00: Can one of the high-IQ geniuses on this thread give me a quantitative definition of "Intelligence"?


I'd go with... add your skills base, to the amount of valuable work you can accomplish, and balance it with the social blunders you do, and then add any serious accomplishments you have managed to do that would qualify as enduring efforts.

In other words, if you can do stuff well, then that's great.  If you have trouble doing stuff but still think that you're smart, it's time for a reality check.

Someone nice that does nice things, even if they are very simple ends up being a lot smarter in my books than someone that can do a bunch of things, not do them very well but thinks that they're the shiats anyways.
2013-02-13 10:22:53 AM
1 votes:

gumpy: almost to:dr but you just described my life which is more than a little bit weird.

I was informed of my very heigh IQ but never seemed to engage with academia.

I taught myself web development, and have a small web company in the UK instead if the doctor/lawyer/scientist I was told I would be.

The memory thing rings true with me. I have very different recall to anyone I know. Crap with names and dates but amazing in general knowledge.

Did you ever get tested for dyslexia? I did and I am. Super smart in some ways and dumb in others.


Funny thing... as I get older, I make more typos that I've ever done in my life... such as I think one thing and the fingers go with a different word... brought it up to the doctor last year (about dyslexia as from what I read on it, I probably do have it)... response was that such testing is only done private and quite expensive and wouldn't really change anything... so now I have to double check everything I write more than ever.  Other issues is that I think of too many things at the same time and unless I write something down write away, odds are I'll forget (temporarily most times) what it was.  Annoying as crap.

And yup... lots of things I pick up instantly, I can improvise faster than others, improve on things, visualize things in my head very clearly and fast, but some things, like doing my tax return and management duties (paperwork) drives me nuts and I just can't get into it.

At some point I got myself to do triple digit calculations in my head, but I've stopped practicing doing that, but at least I know that I technically can do it if I push hard enough, probably would be able to go further too, but then the memory issues kicks in and I forget my place.

But as I said, I've done a lot of stupid things in life (relationships, choices of partners, career, etc.).

One thing I have realized is that I do have an "aura" that pushes people away and building friendships isn't easy... not that I'm an arse or anything, quite the opposite, I'm very friendly, helpful, but I tend to end up being the guy that helps someone out during their time of need, and then with their lives back on track, they move on.  I used to get used, and feel used, but in time I've learned to able it much better and help out as much as I can but no longer get too involved and know where and where to draw lines.

My wife is very similar, and her life was very rough before I came along and she's seen this, but she does find it more difficult than I do, but I had a much more different life than she did, especially the relationship with her parents.  But without hesitation, I can easily say that she is one of the smartest person I've known in my life where she also is able to pick just about any skills for anything that she gets into, but like myself, she has certain traits that prevents her from pushing it further.
2013-02-13 09:22:12 AM
1 votes:

Flappyhead: Asia Carrera is a member of Mensa, just so we're clear on how meaningful IQ scores are these days.


Asia Carrera is filthy rich by farking for a living. I wish I was intelligent enough to pull that off.
2013-02-13 09:11:35 AM
1 votes:

FizixJunkee: Flappyhead: Asia Carrera is a member of Mensa, just so we're clear on how meaningful IQ scores are these days.

I watched the documentary, "After Porn Ends", and it interviewed Asia.  She seemed very Aspie to me.  I have no problem believing that she's smarter than the average bear.

\the doc streams on Netflix if you're interested


She is indeed very smart:  in the early days of the web, she taught herself HTML and built her own website
from the server up, and I believe she still maintains it herself.

I wouldn't say she's an Aspergers sufferer, but she is definitely shy and not comfortable meeting
strangers.  By her own admission she didn't go into feature dancing (where porno stars make most of
their money) for precisely that reason.

I was lucky enough to meet her at one of her rare personal appearances, and while she was very friendly
and accomodating to her fans, she was also never very far from her VERY large body guard.

/Was at Rutgers the same time she was, but doesn't remember ever meeting her.
2013-02-13 08:20:28 AM
1 votes:
161?  That's nice.  It also means practically dick all unless you do something with it.

When I was in grade school I had tests administered to me the results of which meant that I got bussed to a different school every Friday to do "free form" learning...and my folks enrolled me in courses at the local university (which I flat out hated to go to but still did well at).  It was only this past year that I finally asked my folks (I'm 46 now) what those grade school tests were.  They were IQ tests as well and I supposedly scored higher than their scale could measure.

The story my mom tells is that they told the folks on testing day that the tests would be around an hour or so and then the tester brings me back around 20 minutes later.  She's thinking "oh hell, did he get in trouble?" but the tester tells her that from what I was doing in the first few minutes, she skipped straight to the end set of questions and I apparently nailed pretty much all of them.  She told the folks to take me to the local university and ask them to do an assessment which we apparently did (I don't recall it) but that produced similar results...and it meant extra school for me which I fairly despised.

You know what the end result of all the brainiac is?  I develop software for internet apps.  I didn't go into medicine to search for a cure for cancer.  I didn't discover the Higgs Boson.  I didn't end world hunger or anything like that.  I did sit the LSAT with no prep and a week after I returned from my honeymoon and scored the IQ equivalent of a 155 on it...but I didn't go to law school.  In fact, the high IQ actually hurt me because I never developed study skills until around my 2nd or 3rd year of university.  What the high IQ does for me is allows me very quickly assemble all the parts to a situation and craft a solution to situations posed to that situation.  That's all a high IQ really measures, in fact: the brain's ability to organize objects/thoughts/concepts in three dimensions.  I call it mental gymnastics because that's the way it seems to me.

The point I'm making is: a high IQ is nothing more than a tool.  In order to do something with it you have to have the motivation to do so and the discipline and training to make use of it effectively.  Edison is credited with saying that invention is 1% inspiration and 99% perspiration.  For those with high IQs, the formula may be not quite as unbalanced as that...but it's still weighted way heavily toward the "sweating" end of the spectrum.  Good for this girl and her raw brain talent.  Now, go learn to put it to good use.
2013-02-13 07:27:23 AM
1 votes:

i upped my meds-up yours: Joafu: "Thrilled Lauren, of Loughton, Essex, is the daughter of a black cab driver"

What a black cab might look like:
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"You are wasted as a cabby"
2013-02-13 07:07:17 AM
1 votes:

mephisto_kur: "everybody before me had got around the 130 mark"

Invalid test.


Why? she studying A-levels so all her class mates are already in the top 1/3 of the population for their age, and the article doesn't mention if she is in an advanced class or not, so quite possibly they are all grouped in a higher subset of that 1/3
2013-02-13 05:46:33 AM
1 votes:
IQ averages are 80-120.  If the average person in Essex had an IQ of 130, I think we would've heard about it already.
2013-02-13 12:32:50 AM
1 votes:

mephisto_kur: "everybody before me had got around the 130 mark"

Invalid test.


no shiat. that's not much of a bell curve.
2013-02-13 12:20:32 AM
1 votes:

chaosweaver: That, and people would likely expect more from me if I did join, and I'm okay with taking it easy now that I'm out of the Military.


Oh, you were in the military?  That means you took an actual IQ test: the ASVAB.

What was your AFQT score?
2013-02-13 12:12:58 AM
1 votes:
ESSEX GIRLS ARE WELL-GROOMED
2013-02-13 12:05:43 AM
1 votes:
But remember folks...

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2013-02-12 11:47:50 PM
1 votes:

Rufus Lee King: I hope you folks realize that IQ tests are culturally biased. One might even call them racist.


Well yeah, they tend to be biased against stupid cultures.  What's your point?
2013-02-12 11:41:51 PM
1 votes:
"That puts the teenager - who loves fake tanning, manicures and partying - among the most intelligent one per cent of people on the planet."

No.  It puts her in the top x% of people who took that particular IQ test.
2013-02-12 11:27:39 PM
1 votes:

Just_a_Bear: trappedspirit: Just_a_Bear: All mensa members i've ever met had no clue how to tie their shoelaces.  I hope this lovely young lady is also blessed with a trace of common sense.

Somehow I get the strange feeling you don't spend a lot of time with Mensa members.

True, I have yet to find one worth hanging out with.


Quit confining your searches to 'people currently in my basement dwelling'.  See the padlocks on the door as a puzzle.
2013-02-12 11:27:13 PM
1 votes:
While it's mildly amusing to see all these explanations dismissing high IQ scores, I don't think anyone has stepped back and looked at the other possibility, which is, this being a Sun article there is a rather good chance it's... made up. Because really, how does a cute, tan-and-manicure, reality-show-loving bimbette with a high IQ not sell papers?
2013-02-12 11:22:41 PM
1 votes:
In all seriousness, I hang here because I think it provides a reasonable facsimile of the opinion of the somewhat more intelligent and slightly more likely to vote types of people.

/real drunk
//obviously
///but serious
2013-02-12 11:18:54 PM
1 votes:

trappedspirit: Just_a_Bear: All mensa members i've ever met had no clue how to tie their shoelaces.  I hope this lovely young lady is also blessed with a trace of common sense.

Somehow I get the strange feeling you don't spend a lot of time with Mensa members.


True, I have yet to find one worth hanging out with.
2013-02-12 11:06:04 PM
1 votes:

StokeyBob: This thread is useless.

She's way too smart to have anything to do with any of us.


Oh I don't know.   I'm pretty sure after I gave her 10 or 12 beers I could talk her into some butt secks.
2013-02-12 11:03:30 PM
1 votes:

Molavian: Spaced Cowboy: The hard part is putting an intellect like that to use in a fulfilling and worthwhile manner while not letting it turn you into a cynical bastard that hates the zombie hordes of farking idiots that you spend life surrounded by.

You do that by realizing that you're actually not any better than everyone else.


Spend one day in corporate America and you will see how false that is.  Better yet, hook up with a state agency and just hang around the office for a few hours.  That idea of us all being equal?  That shiat disintegrates really fast when you regularly see college educated workers struggling with basic mathematics or management drones that are indistinguishable from the entry level intern when it comes to knowledge of their department.

I wish I still lived in that ideal world where I believed that we were all useful people.  It simply isn't true.
2013-02-12 11:03:09 PM
1 votes:

Rufus Lee King: thursdaypostal: Is it possible to mention your own IQ without sounding like an absolute tool?

I don't think so, no.

Pocket Ninja:
"Remember, if you want to boast about the enormous size of your IQ in one of these threads, there are certain standards and procedures that you need to follow lest people think you're some sort of insufferable braggart. First of all, you need to begin your IQ statement with some sort of declaimer explaining that you don't really care about your IQ. Something like, "I'm not really sure that it means all that much," or "I've never really placed much stock in this, but," or something like that. You could also go a slightly different path, acknowledging that your IQ is perhaps not quite as high as that of others, but that you were hung over/sick/distracted/bored when you took the test and so almost certainly didn't score as high as you otherwise might. Be careful to not overplay this hand, especially if others have already used something similar.

When you get to the actual number, it's generally best to express it as a range. Like, saying "I scored a 147" would possibly be impressive, except that, like in the Price is Right when some asshat comes in on the initial bid and goes one dollar over your offer and wins as a result, it's too easy to top. So, keeping it somewhat vague (I scored in the 140s-150s range, but the administrator said there were some irregularities that might have meant I actually scored much higher, etc.) works to your advantage. It's also a good idea to hang back in the thread a bit, wait to see if there some general field of scores being posted, and remain within striking distance of that so that you don't sound too out there. For example, if everyone is placing themselves in the 150-160 range, you might come in the upper 160s. Don't blow the field by more than a few points, though; you're likely to find yourself a target.

Self-hobbling is another great technique to make yourself seem more realistic when it comes to your high IQ score. By this, I mean claiming some sort of amusing defect that you must live with on a daily basis despite being "gifted" with such an enormous intellect. For example, you might be someone with a 180 IQ who can't, for the life of him, change his car oil. And you might sentimentalize a bit about it, must on how sometimes you think it would be a good thing to be just slightly less perceptive, slightly less intelligent, if only you could get your hands around some of the "common sense," "nitty gritty" know how that the less intellectually endowed sometimes seem to have. It doesn't have to be mechanical skills, of course. Maybe you're forgetful, always misplacing your keys. Maybe you're just  terrible with names. Be creative, that's what you do. "
2013-02-12 10:54:31 PM
1 votes:
Hawkins?

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2013-02-12 10:50:51 PM
1 votes:
Is it possible to mention your own IQ without sounding like an absolute tool?
2013-02-12 10:47:44 PM
1 votes:
Wake me up when she's made major contributions to physics.
2013-02-12 10:45:43 PM
1 votes:

Spaced Cowboy: The hard part is putting an intellect like that to use in a fulfilling and worthwhile manner while not letting it turn you into a cynical bastard that hates the zombie hordes of farking idiots that you spend life surrounded by.


You do that by realizing that you're actually not any better than everyone else.
2013-02-12 10:45:34 PM
1 votes:

runescorpio: drjekel_mrhyde: Flappyhead: Asia Carrera is a member of Mensa, just so we're clear on how meaningful IQ scores are these days.

This

Shes an actor. She got paid lots of money to take some dick and got really famous. Her career is likely more satisfying than most.
Not sure how that shows unintelligence.


Given that my last corporate job felt a lot like being farked in the ass, I'd say her job can't be a lot worse than mine was.  At least she signed up for it...
2013-02-12 10:45:12 PM
1 votes:

runescorpio: drjekel_mrhyde: Flappyhead: Asia Carrera is a member of Mensa, just so we're clear on how meaningful IQ scores are these days.

This

Shes an actor. She got paid lots of money to take some dick and got really famous. Her career is likely more satisfying than most.
Not sure how that shows unintelligence.


Not only that, she got  out of porn while she was still at the top of her game, kept enough rights and made good enough deals that she's rich as hell, and largely manages her own properties and right.  Pretty solid performance for any profession, and rather impressive for an actor of any stripe.  Most hollywood types wouldn't get paid at all if they negotiated their own contracts like porn actors do.
2013-02-12 10:42:05 PM
1 votes:

rattchett: Yeah.  Whatever.  Very interesting.  Anyway, what's the deal with the "Featured Partner" bullshiat that we're not permitted to comment on?  Lame, lame, lame, lame!

I've been hesitant to ask this, but curious.  Sponsored posts would be less annoying if you could comment on them.  And several so far have been commentable.
2013-02-12 10:41:27 PM
1 votes:

drjekel_mrhyde: Flappyhead: Asia Carrera is a member of Mensa, just so we're clear on how meaningful IQ scores are these days.

This


Shes an actor. She got paid lots of money to take some dick and got really famous. Her career is likely more satisfying than most.
Not sure how that shows unintelligence.
2013-02-12 10:37:47 PM
1 votes:
Genuine Class
2013-02-12 10:33:02 PM
1 votes:
Seems how IQ is also variated by age (i.e. a 10 yr old with a 160 IQ has an adult IQ of about 100), she's above average but probably not near Einstein and not even close to Hawkins.
2013-02-12 10:31:43 PM
1 votes:
LETS BELITTLE HER ACHIEVEMENT! THAT biatch! WHO DOES SHE THINK SHE IS DOING WELL?
2013-02-12 10:27:08 PM
1 votes:

mephisto_kur: "everybody before me had got around the 130 mark"

Invalid test.


Yeah thats what i was thinking. Also if she got 160 isnt it time to take a few more accurate tests?
2013-02-12 10:24:40 PM
1 votes:
Who the fark is Hawkins?
2013-02-12 10:18:14 PM
1 votes:
"People who boast about their IQ are losers"

Stephen Hawking.
2013-02-12 10:14:21 PM
1 votes:
Oh, also...  Just because you're smart doesn't mean you're a genius.  It takes some measure of brilliant insight that goes beyond intelligence to be Einstein or Hawking.
2013-02-12 10:12:01 PM
1 votes:
I'll wait until she does something groundbreaking like Einstein and Hawking.  Until then she's just another pretty face.  In all likelihood she'll just be another smart person like many others but nothing special.
2013-02-12 10:05:00 PM
1 votes:
"Thrilled Lauren, of Loughton, Essex, is the daughter of a black cab driver"
media.realitatea.ro

I guess this works in reverse?
www.omgsoysauce.com
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-02-12 10:00:58 PM
1 votes:
An IQ of 160 is what, 4 standard deviations above the mean? That means that there are literally 10s of millions of people who have been smarter than Einstein.

IQ doesn't have to be normally distributed. Chebyshev's inequality says no more than 1/16 of people can have IQs more than 4 standard deviations away from the mean (total of both directions) so there could be hundreds of millions of people as IQ-y as her. Or none. None. Then the question arises, would you put up with her personality to sleep with the moderately cute smartest girl in the world?

But they can't calibrate the test to be normal so far away from the mean, so as already noted this just means she's good at IQ tests.
2013-02-12 09:59:04 PM
1 votes:
You have a high IQ.  Fine, now go do something with it.
2013-02-12 09:59:02 PM
1 votes:
Finally we get a looker and the headline describes her as "cute" instead of hot.
i.imgur.com
2013-02-12 09:54:08 PM
1 votes:
Don't forget 16 is legan in the UK.  How long before she shows up on page 3?

I would have a seat over there, but other farkers have filled them all.

Nothing else to do but go to my bunk.
2013-02-12 09:54:03 PM
1 votes:

FloydA: ArkAngel: Lauren, of Loughton, Essex, is the daughter of a black cab driver

This could be part of the reason. Studies of black cab drivers show them to be unusually intelligent, being required to know the areas they drive extremely well. The test they have to pass averages 12 attempts and almost three years of practice.

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"Look, I don't care if you're green or blue like a carrot! For me the word color doesn't mean anything. I feel colors... but you'd never understand that!"


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Wonder how smart his other 4 kids are?
2013-02-12 09:53:31 PM
1 votes:
In my experience, MENSA members, or at least the subset of them that announce it publicly, are usually dicks.

Yeah, I could be a member, but I didn't like how that ones I met talked about 'other people' with disdain.

I'm sure they aren't all like that, but I wanted nothing to do with my local group.

(Still, better than Scientology)
2013-02-12 09:51:23 PM
1 votes:

KellyKellyKelly: "Cute" and Sun link?  Seems suspicious...

*click*

...OK, I'll accept it.


Thank you - I've been a bit hesitant to click since the last disaster/blind subby.
2013-02-12 09:48:42 PM
1 votes:
media.moronail.net
2013-02-12 09:48:36 PM
1 votes:

GreenSun: It would be nice to have a girlfriend/wife who's a genius but also have room for emotions. I'm fine being under a smart, capable, and loving (and of course beautiful) woman's command.


Smart
Sexy
Sane

Pick any 2
2013-02-12 09:42:56 PM
1 votes:

Suckmaster Burstingfoam: This one's passable, vaguely better than English cute, but still no Boxxy


pipernet.com.mx
2013-02-12 09:40:36 PM
1 votes:
She's cute. And her clothes are cute. She's smart. She has a spiral staircase and a piano. I'm jealous.
2013-02-12 09:39:50 PM
1 votes:
 Ya, but can she manipulate knowledge into the abstract the way that Einstein and Hawking do?
It's one thing to have capacity, but it's another to be able to take all of that data and turn it
around and make something totally revolutionary. That's what makes real genius. I've known some
very smart people, people that know subjects inside and out, but they don't have that next step into
extraordinary and profound. Those people are just really smart.
2013-02-12 09:37:01 PM
1 votes:
That's nothing.
mikemai.net
I got a 1502 on my SAT's.
2013-02-12 09:33:13 PM
1 votes:

Gyrth: Loves "fake tanning?" Sorry but she's not that smart or as good-looking as the photos suggest.


She likes tanning and lives in England. Fake tanning is her only option.
2013-02-12 09:26:52 PM
1 votes:
"Cute" and Sun link?  Seems suspicious...

*click*

...OK, I'll accept it.
2013-02-12 09:24:17 PM
1 votes:
Considering that IQ scores are (as I understand it) based on the current population, and the average is always 100, and surely the methods of measuring it have changed, is it even meaningful at all to compare a current IQ score with those of another time period?
2013-02-12 07:37:46 PM
1 votes:

ArkAngel: Lauren, of Loughton, Essex, is the daughter of a black cab driver

This could be part of the reason. Studies of black cab drivers show them to be unusually intelligent, being required to know the areas they drive extremely well. The test they have to pass averages 12 attempts and almost three years of practice.


i105.photobucket.com
"Look, I don't care if you're green or blue like a carrot! For me the word color doesn't mean anything. I feel colors... but you'd never understand that!"
 
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