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ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-02-12 06:39:23 PM
Girl cheats on IQ test. The Sun is there.
 
2013-02-12 06:52:05 PM
Towie fan scores 161 on IQ test
i105.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-12 07:23:16 PM
Lauren, of Loughton, Essex, is the daughter of a black cab driver

This could be part of the reason. Studies of black cab drivers show them to be unusually intelligent, being required to know the areas they drive extremely well. The test they have to pass averages 12 attempts and almost three years of practice.
 
2013-02-12 07:26:42 PM
IQ scores become less valid as they get farther from the mean, simply because a lucky guess on one question can have a large effect. Once you are getting scores above about three standard deviations (145) all you can say with certainty is that the person probably has an IQ greater than 145. To give a precise numerical value is meaningless. Of course a highly intelligent person would know that.
 
2013-02-12 07:37:46 PM

ArkAngel: Lauren, of Loughton, Essex, is the daughter of a black cab driver

This could be part of the reason. Studies of black cab drivers show them to be unusually intelligent, being required to know the areas they drive extremely well. The test they have to pass averages 12 attempts and almost three years of practice.


i105.photobucket.com
"Look, I don't care if you're green or blue like a carrot! For me the word color doesn't mean anything. I feel colors... but you'd never understand that!"
 
2013-02-12 07:56:04 PM
It's not what you have, it's what you do with it.
 
2013-02-12 08:51:25 PM
"everybody before me had got around the 130 mark"

Invalid test.
 
2013-02-12 09:01:53 PM

ArkAngel: Lauren, of Loughton, Essex, is the daughter of a black cab driver

This could be part of the reason. Studies of black cab drivers show them to be unusually intelligent, being required to know the areas they drive extremely well. The test they have to pass averages 12 attempts and almost three years of practice.


They're very articulate, those black cab drivers.
 
2013-02-12 09:03:47 PM

ArkAngel: Lauren, of Loughton, Essex, is the daughter of a black cab driver

This could be part of the reason. Studies of black cab drivers show them to be unusually intelligent, being required to know the areas they drive extremely well. The test they have to pass averages 12 attempts and almost three years of practice.


mephisto_kur: "everybody before me had got around the 130 mark"

Invalid test.


Glad to see these two points made.
 
2013-02-12 09:06:22 PM
"bigger IQ" subby?
I think you mean "higher IQ"
 
2013-02-12 09:09:12 PM
Should I be concerned that the first thing that came to mind was coveting her kitchen and circula staircase?
 
2013-02-12 09:14:25 PM
And it makes her officially smarter than brainboxes like Professor Stephen Hawking and Microsoft billionaire Bill Gates, who both scored a mere 160.

Yeah, that's how it works.
 
2013-02-12 09:24:17 PM
Considering that IQ scores are (as I understand it) based on the current population, and the average is always 100, and surely the methods of measuring it have changed, is it even meaningful at all to compare a current IQ score with those of another time period?
 
2013-02-12 09:25:49 PM
All that and brains too?
 
2013-02-12 09:25:59 PM
dumbimages.net
 
2013-02-12 09:26:52 PM
"Cute" and Sun link?  Seems suspicious...

*click*

...OK, I'll accept it.
 
2013-02-12 09:26:56 PM
Maybe she put a spell on them?
/Get it?
//Hawkins?
///http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kGPhpvqtOc
 
2013-02-12 09:28:01 PM
Loves "fake tanning?" Sorry but she's not that smart or as good-looking as the photos suggest.
 
2013-02-12 09:28:38 PM
Asia Carrera is a member of Mensa, just so we're clear on how meaningful IQ scores are these days.
 
2013-02-12 09:31:24 PM

KellyKellyKelly: "Cute" and Sun link?  Seems suspicious...

*click*

...OK, I'll accept it.


Subbies know they have to find *real* Cuties once in a while or eventually even the thickies will catch on.

This one's passable, vaguely better than English cute, but still no Boxxy or Jennifer Love Hewitt.
 
2013-02-12 09:31:57 PM
Shortly after the interview, she was heard making the observation that "asian guys don't actually taste all that different."
 
2013-02-12 09:32:23 PM
People who who in fields with lots of really smart people don't ever think about stupid IQ tests.  Go hang out with a bunch of astrophysicists, or particle physicists, or brain surgeons, or whatever.  You won't hear anybody rambling on about scores that they got on a test that is poorly calibrated for anybody over 140 or so anyway.

I don't care what you scored on a test.  I really don't - it doesn't mean anything.  You can impress me by what you can actually achieve in school, or in work, or in your hobby.  An IQ of 160 is what, 4 standard deviations above the mean?  That means that there are literally 10s of millions of people who have been smarter than Einstein.  But I'll take an Einstein any day over somebody who might score better on a test than him.
 
2013-02-12 09:33:13 PM

Gyrth: Loves "fake tanning?" Sorry but she's not that smart or as good-looking as the photos suggest.


She likes tanning and lives in England. Fake tanning is her only option.
 
2013-02-12 09:33:55 PM

revrendjim: IQ scores become less valid as they get farther from the mean, simply because a lucky guess on one question can have a large effect. Once you are getting scores above about three standard deviations (145) all you can say with certainty is that the person probably has an IQ greater than 145. To give a precise numerical value is meaningless. Of course a highly intelligent person would know that.


In all fairness to the girl, an intelligent person probably also has some amount of ability to plan forward and knows that her name showing up in a bunch of news articles about how unnaturally intelligent she is.  So, strategically, playing it up even though you know it's pretty much nonsense is a good strategic decision for someone about to run university and scholarship applications (especially if she wants to study in another country, where the A-levels system won't benefit her).

mamoru: Considering that IQ scores are (as I understand it) based on the current population, and the average is always 100, and surely the methods of measuring it have changed, is it even meaningful at all to compare a current IQ score with those of another time period?


It's a statistical index.  As mentioned before, 145+ means you're in the top one-percent-ish of the population for whatever the test measures.  What the test actually measures isn't actually particularly well defined apart from "the ability to do this kind of test", though, so take that with the requisite grain o' salt.
 
2013-02-12 09:34:50 PM
she does go out?

nudge nudge
wink wink
 
2013-02-12 09:35:02 PM
Good for her.  The hard part is putting an intellect like that to use in a fulfilling and worthwhile manner while not letting it turn you into a cynical bastard that hates the zombie hordes of farking idiots that you spend life surrounded by.
 
2013-02-12 09:36:22 PM
Of COURSE her IQ is higher than Einstein's. Einstein's dead.
 
2013-02-12 09:37:01 PM
That's nothing.
mikemai.net
I got a 1502 on my SAT's.
 
2013-02-12 09:37:08 PM

Flappyhead: Asia Carrera is a member of Mensa, just so we're clear on how meaningful IQ scores are these days.


so a porn star is smarter then you, how does it make you feel?
 
2013-02-12 09:39:50 PM
 Ya, but can she manipulate knowledge into the abstract the way that Einstein and Hawking do?
It's one thing to have capacity, but it's another to be able to take all of that data and turn it
around and make something totally revolutionary. That's what makes real genius. I've known some
very smart people, people that know subjects inside and out, but they don't have that next step into
extraordinary and profound. Those people are just really smart.
 
2013-02-12 09:39:53 PM
I seriously doubt she has a bigger IQ than former Philadelphia 76er Hersey Hawkins. That dude's IQ was so big and fat, I mean  like orca fat.
 
2013-02-12 09:40:36 PM
She's cute. And her clothes are cute. She's smart. She has a spiral staircase and a piano. I'm jealous.
 
2013-02-12 09:41:53 PM

taxandspend: Wake me when these geniuses use their knowledge to change the world like Einstein did.


I'd rather they not change it like Einstein did, if the result is a new superweapon.
 
2013-02-12 09:42:56 PM

Suckmaster Burstingfoam: This one's passable, vaguely better than English cute, but still no Boxxy


pipernet.com.mx
 
2013-02-12 09:43:17 PM
mmm, I like West End girls.
 
2013-02-12 09:44:34 PM
bigger IQ than Einstein and Hawkins

Say what now?
cdn.theatlantic.com
 
2013-02-12 09:46:14 PM
I had a 145 IQ but then I took a whiskey to the brian
 
2013-02-12 09:46:29 PM
It would be nice to have a girlfriend/wife who's a genius but also have room for emotions. I'm fine being under a smart, capable, and loving (and of course beautiful) woman's command.
 
2013-02-12 09:48:36 PM

GreenSun: It would be nice to have a girlfriend/wife who's a genius but also have room for emotions. I'm fine being under a smart, capable, and loving (and of course beautiful) woman's command.


Smart
Sexy
Sane

Pick any 2
 
2013-02-12 09:48:38 PM
Well, where's my f*cking flying car, b*tch?
 
2013-02-12 09:48:42 PM
media.moronail.net
 
2013-02-12 09:50:32 PM

FloydA: ArkAngel: Lauren, of Loughton, Essex, is the daughter of a black cab driver

This could be part of the reason. Studies of black cab drivers show them to be unusually intelligent, being required to know the areas they drive extremely well. The test they have to pass averages 12 attempts and almost three years of practice.

[i105.photobucket.com image 300x168]
"Look, I don't care if you're green or blue like a carrot! For me the word color doesn't mean anything. I feel colors... but you'd never understand that!"


Loved that movie!
 
2013-02-12 09:51:23 PM

KellyKellyKelly: "Cute" and Sun link?  Seems suspicious...

*click*

...OK, I'll accept it.


Thank you - I've been a bit hesitant to click since the last disaster/blind subby.
 
2013-02-12 09:52:35 PM

Feral_and_Preposterous: Well, where's my f*cking flying car, b*tch?




I got your flying car right here
 
2013-02-12 09:52:36 PM
I'd be curious to see the actual test.  I could probably find it with the Googles, but... meh.
 
2013-02-12 09:53:13 PM
Bah, in South Korea a score like that would be laughed at.  This girl isn't trying hard enough.
 
2013-02-12 09:53:31 PM
In my experience, MENSA members, or at least the subset of them that announce it publicly, are usually dicks.

Yeah, I could be a member, but I didn't like how that ones I met talked about 'other people' with disdain.

I'm sure they aren't all like that, but I wanted nothing to do with my local group.

(Still, better than Scientology)
 
2013-02-12 09:53:34 PM
I pity the fool, who try to discredit my daughter's IQ...

www.cinefamily.org
 
2013-02-12 09:54:03 PM

FloydA: ArkAngel: Lauren, of Loughton, Essex, is the daughter of a black cab driver

This could be part of the reason. Studies of black cab drivers show them to be unusually intelligent, being required to know the areas they drive extremely well. The test they have to pass averages 12 attempts and almost three years of practice.

[i105.photobucket.com image 300x168]
"Look, I don't care if you're green or blue like a carrot! For me the word color doesn't mean anything. I feel colors... but you'd never understand that!"


i.imgur.com

Wonder how smart his other 4 kids are?
 
2013-02-12 09:54:08 PM
Don't forget 16 is legan in the UK.  How long before she shows up on page 3?

I would have a seat over there, but other farkers have filled them all.

Nothing else to do but go to my bunk.
 
2013-02-12 09:54:20 PM
Yeah.  Whatever.  Very interesting.  Anyway, what's the deal with the "Featured Partner" bullshiat that we're not permitted to comment on?  Lame, lame, lame, lame!
 
2013-02-12 09:54:37 PM

Krazikarl: People who who in fields with lots of really smart people don't ever think about stupid IQ tests.  Go hang out with a bunch of astrophysicists, or particle physicists, or brain surgeons, or whatever.  You won't hear anybody rambling on about scores that they got on a test that is poorly calibrated for anybody over 140 or so anyway. I don't care what you scored on a test.  I really don't - it doesn't mean anything.  You can impress me by what you can actually achieve in school, or in work, or in your hobby.  An IQ of 160 is what, 4 standard deviations above the mean?  That means that there are literally 10s of millions of people who have been smarter than Einstein.  But I'll take an Einstein any day over somebody who might score better on a test than him.

www.suckmylolly.com
 
2013-02-12 09:54:55 PM

AutumnWind: She's cute. And her clothes are cute. She's smart. She has a spiral staircase and a piano. I'm jealous.


She lives in a small two story place with an inexpensive staircase that takes less space than a regular one, and has an electric keyboard.
 
2013-02-12 09:55:07 PM

Suckmaster Burstingfoam: This one's passable, vaguely better than English cute, but still no Boxxy or Jennifer Love Hewitt.


I'm gonna smack you in the head.
 
2013-02-12 09:55:32 PM
Damn, even higher than mine.  Impressive
 
2013-02-12 09:56:34 PM

Flappyhead: Asia Carrera is a member of Mensa, just so we're clear on how meaningful IQ scores are these days.


This
 
2013-02-12 09:57:01 PM
She must make really good sammiches.
 
2013-02-12 09:58:42 PM
...we do realize this just means that she's much smarter than most kids in her age group, and she's probably not even as intelligent as Einstein or Hawking, let alone more intelligent, right?

/...at least, not yet...
 
2013-02-12 09:59:02 PM
Finally we get a looker and the headline describes her as "cute" instead of hot.
i.imgur.com
 
2013-02-12 09:59:04 PM
You have a high IQ.  Fine, now go do something with it.
 
2013-02-12 09:59:04 PM

ArkAngel: Lauren, of Loughton, Essex, is the daughter of a black cab driver


So she's Nicole Richie blonde?
 
2013-02-12 09:59:38 PM
IQ tests taken past age 6-7 or so are pretty much useless.  I fully believe that this girl is highly intelligent, but smarter than Einstein and Hawking?  C'mon man. She's cute, though.  Her intelligence when serve her well when she's in the kitchen, as she'll probably be able to make me a sandwich and clean the dishes at the same time.
 
2013-02-12 09:59:43 PM

PaLarkin: How long before she shows up on page 3?


Too skinny
 
2013-02-12 10:00:51 PM
Big deal, I scored in the top 98 percent after drinking a six pack.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-02-12 10:00:58 PM
An IQ of 160 is what, 4 standard deviations above the mean? That means that there are literally 10s of millions of people who have been smarter than Einstein.

IQ doesn't have to be normally distributed. Chebyshev's inequality says no more than 1/16 of people can have IQs more than 4 standard deviations away from the mean (total of both directions) so there could be hundreds of millions of people as IQ-y as her. Or none. None. Then the question arises, would you put up with her personality to sleep with the moderately cute smartest girl in the world?

But they can't calibrate the test to be normal so far away from the mean, so as already noted this just means she's good at IQ tests.
 
2013-02-12 10:00:58 PM

ParadoxDice: Of COURSE her IQ is higher than Einstein's. Einstein's dead.


I'm not so much dead yet, as I am not awake, pickled, and soon to be revived really.
 
2013-02-12 10:01:22 PM
I'd do it. Once. But I'm not long enough.
 
2013-02-12 10:05:00 PM
"Thrilled Lauren, of Loughton, Essex, is the daughter of a black cab driver"
media.realitatea.ro

I guess this works in reverse?
www.omgsoysauce.com
 
2013-02-12 10:05:10 PM
Hawkins?

There's no doubt about it, this girl does have a rather surprising intellect, Jim lad. For a first, why does the article claim that she is ditzy, shiver me timbers 'tis the black spot, and secondly, I be not afraid of thee Blind Pew ... why do they talk this rather strange stilted, underground jargon, belay the mainbrace Squire Trelawney this be my ship now. (he is hit by a dart) Argh! A tranquillizing dart fired by the cowardly Sun health department dogs ... they've done filled me full of chlorpromazine damn!
 
2013-02-12 10:06:43 PM
So, just who *is* this Hawkins, anyway?
 
2013-02-12 10:07:19 PM

2wolves: It's not what you have, it's what you do with it.


This...

I have probably a story that goes beyond the ordinary... in my youth they tested all the kids for a prototype program for the high IQ kids... and (of course as I'll telling this story), I got in without really wanting to, but they insisted.

The other kids were the typical stereotypes, but I was the "bad apple"... I had trouble in my classes, in large because of my outside-school life that was fairly stupid.. and I was bringing the average of the group down.

So they retested me, and due to their own rules, they were not able to kick me out as I was one of the highest scores (if not the highest, but they'd never tell).

I've done quite a few tests and I've always scored from around 150 to over 180.

Now the other kids of this group had been pumped that they'd be the future head of government, leaders of men, lawyers, doctors, etc.  So far, I've yet to see or hear from a single one that did anything news worthy, if anything, the few I have come across during the years have all ended up with very mediocre lives.

While myself, I quit school, went to night school to get my diploma and some college, etc. and did a shiatload of stupid things, but overall, I have a lot of abilities to figure stuff out, build, plan, etc. but for life stuff, I did a lot of mistakes, but at least nothing that I haven't been able to fix at some point.

So when it comes to IQ, sure, according to these tests I'm a genius, and I can outdo a crapload of people for many things, I'm a faster thinker, and usually can calculate a lot more details than others do, but I've learned that there's so many stupid people, and so many that managed to get quite far in life and end up being the ones that one can end up bumping heads against, that it's better to just do your best, enjoy life, etc.

My biggest flaw is my memory for names, numbers, and some areas, while it's great for others, but as I get older, I've notices that instead of remembering things like other people state they do (or can), I find that I simply integrate things into some sort of global pool of knowledge without remembering how I learned it, from where, or who, just that I know things (and can easily look them up to confirm).

But still, because I can't learn things "by heart", I would never be able to be a doctor/surgeon or such things, even though I probably would be able to learn procedures, do them flawlessly and know everything inside out about it, but would not be able to do the paperwork.  I love science and medicine and if life would have been different, I probably would have been someone that could have done huge things, but I was never pulled or pushed in the right direction.

So my point for all this is that your point is a very valid one, IQ is in very wide field and doesn't mean much... it really is a question of how this "IQ" works, and how one can use it.

I seriously would believe that some people that could be/could have been huge contributors to science, never get/got to because life didn't give them the chance, whatever the reasons.
 
2013-02-12 10:08:57 PM

Krazikarl: People who who in fields with lots of really smart people don't ever think about stupid IQ tests.  Go hang out with a bunch of astrophysicists, or particle physicists, or brain surgeons, or whatever.  You won't hear anybody rambling on about scores that they got on a test that is poorly calibrated for anybody over 140 or so anyway.

I don't care what you scored on a test.  I really don't - it doesn't mean anything.  You can impress me by what you can actually achieve in school, or in work, or in your hobby.  An IQ of 160 is what, 4 standard deviations above the mean?  That means that there are literally 10s of millions of people who have been smarter than Einstein.  But I'll take an Einstein any day over somebody who might score better on a test than him.


QFT.

Guy bragging about an IQ score = Guy who's insecure about his crap dead-end job
 
2013-02-12 10:09:43 PM

Rufus Lee King: I hope you folks realize that IQ tests are culturally biased. One might even call them racist.


Black people's problems.
 
2013-02-12 10:12:01 PM
I'll wait until she does something groundbreaking like Einstein and Hawking.  Until then she's just another pretty face.  In all likelihood she'll just be another smart person like many others but nothing special.
 
2013-02-12 10:12:08 PM

Kaenneth: In my experience, MENSA members, or at least the subset of them that announce it publicly, are usually dicks.

Yeah, I could be a member, but I didn't like how that ones I met talked about 'other people' with disdain.


So by publicly announcing that you could be a member of MENSA you are saying...?
 
2013-02-12 10:12:42 PM

Joafu: "Thrilled Lauren, of Loughton, Essex, is the daughter of a black cab driver"


What a black cab might look like:
landanbyfd.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-02-12 10:12:44 PM
It's not what you know, it's how expensive the education your parents could afford to buy you.
 
2013-02-12 10:14:21 PM
Oh, also...  Just because you're smart doesn't mean you're a genius.  It takes some measure of brilliant insight that goes beyond intelligence to be Einstein or Hawking.
 
2013-02-12 10:14:48 PM
Wait.  Is a 161 IQ a big deal?  Perhaps it's because I'm surrounded by nerds, but 161 isn't all that impressive.
 
2013-02-12 10:15:53 PM

revrendjim: IQ scores become less valid as they get farther from the mean, simply because a lucky guess on one question can have a large effect. Once you are getting scores above about three standard deviations (145) all you can say with certainty is that the person probably has an IQ greater than 145. To give a precise numerical value is meaningless. Of course a highly intelligent person would know that.


Yup.
 
2013-02-12 10:17:29 PM

Kaenneth: In my experience, MENSA members, or at least the subset of them that announce it publicly, are usually dicks.

Yeah, I could be a member, but I didn't like how that ones I met talked about 'other people' with disdain.

I'm sure they aren't all like that, but I wanted nothing to do with my local group.

(Still, better than Scientology)


Rodney: How did you know that?
Shepherd: It was on a MENSA test.
Rodney: You're a member of MENSA??
Shepherd: No, but I took the test.

http://i391.photobucket.com/albums/oo351/rocbayne1980/Mensa_zpsf02c45 f 8.jpg">
 
2013-02-12 10:17:51 PM

Flappyhead: Asia Carrera is a member of Mensa, just so we're clear on how meaningful IQ scores are these days.


I watched the documentary, "After Porn Ends", and it interviewed Asia.  She seemed very Aspie to me.  I have no problem believing that she's smarter than the average bear.

\the doc streams on Netflix if you're interested
 
2013-02-12 10:18:14 PM
"People who boast about their IQ are losers"

Stephen Hawking.
 
2013-02-12 10:18:38 PM
Damn it, forgot about the new anti-code measures.
i391.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-12 10:20:39 PM
This thread is useless.

She's way too smart to have anything to do with any of us.
 
2013-02-12 10:21:00 PM

2wolves: It's not what you have, it's what you do with it.


That's a Bingo!!
 
2013-02-12 10:23:15 PM

Nicholas D. Wolfwood: So, just who *is* this Hawkins, anyway?


Coleman Hawkins. And yes, he was a genius.
www.vervemusicgroup.com
 
2013-02-12 10:24:40 PM
Who the fark is Hawkins?
 
2013-02-12 10:25:27 PM

ArkAngel: Lauren, of Loughton, Essex, is the daughter of a black cab driver

This could be part of the reason. Studies of black cab drivers show them to be unusually intelligent, being required to know the areas they drive extremely well. The test they have to pass averages 12 attempts and almost three years of practice.


Why does it matter what color her daddy was?
 
2013-02-12 10:25:57 PM

sethen320: Who the fark is Hawkins?


I think they mean this Hawking dude:

scriptone.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-02-12 10:26:05 PM

mamoru: Considering that IQ scores are (as I understand it) based on the current population, and the average is always 100, and surely the methods of measuring it have changed, is it even meaningful at all to compare a current IQ score with those of another time period?


Yes, it's all about inflation.  Just like a $100 dollars today is only equal to $70 ten years ago, IQ number have also experienced the same inflation.  So my 58 IQ measure in 1980 is probably worth something like 250 today.  That makes me a frickin genus!
 
2013-02-12 10:27:03 PM

El Pachuco: AutumnWind: She's cute. And her clothes are cute. She's smart. She has a spiral staircase and a piano. I'm jealous.

She lives in a small two story place with an inexpensive staircase that takes less space than a regular one, and has an electric keyboard.


Thank you very much!
 
2013-02-12 10:27:08 PM

mephisto_kur: "everybody before me had got around the 130 mark"

Invalid test.


Yeah thats what i was thinking. Also if she got 160 isnt it time to take a few more accurate tests?
 
2013-02-12 10:28:17 PM

revrendjim: IQ scores become less valid as they get farther from the mean, simply because a lucky guess on one question can have a large effect. Once you are getting scores above about three standard deviations (145) all you can say with certainty is that the person probably has an IQ greater than 145. To give a precise numerical value is meaningless. Of course a highly intelligent person would know that.


It depends on the mean of the test. But if it's the regular Mensa test, then even though the mean will be far higher than 100 it won't be very accurate in the 160 range.
 
2013-02-12 10:28:43 PM
I had an IQ once.... Sold it for beer money.
 
2013-02-12 10:29:37 PM

James F. Campbell: taxandspend: Wake me when these geniuses use their knowledge to change the world like Einstein did.

I'd rather they not change it like Einstein did, if the result is a new superweapon.


I take it you arent a fan of fireworks.
 
2013-02-12 10:29:37 PM

FizixJunkee: Flappyhead: Asia Carrera is a member of Mensa, just so we're clear on how meaningful IQ scores are these days.

I watched the documentary, "After Porn Ends", and it interviewed Asia.  She seemed very Aspie to me.  I have no problem believing that she's smarter than the average bear.

\the doc streams on Netflix if you're interested


I'm not saying she's dumb.  According to her bio she built her own Unreal Tournament levels and webpage.  I'm merely saying there's being smart  and then there's using your smarts.

/i'll hit up Netflix sometime this week
 
2013-02-12 10:31:22 PM

Joafu: "Thrilled Lauren, of Loughton, Essex, is the daughter of a black cab driver"
[media.realitatea.ro image 728x521]

I guess this works in reverse?
[www.omgsoysauce.com image 296x408]


A black cab is a specific license/company in the UK, like Yellow Cab in the US.  It's not referring to the ethnicity of the cabbie.
 
2013-02-12 10:31:43 PM
LETS BELITTLE HER ACHIEVEMENT! THAT biatch! WHO DOES SHE THINK SHE IS DOING WELL?
 
2013-02-12 10:32:00 PM
Sooo.....all her classmates get a 130?  Somethings wrong here.
 
2013-02-12 10:33:02 PM
Seems how IQ is also variated by age (i.e. a 10 yr old with a 160 IQ has an adult IQ of about 100), she's above average but probably not near Einstein and not even close to Hawkins.
 
2013-02-12 10:34:49 PM
"DITZY" blonde Lauren Marbe is being hailed as the brainiest Essex girl ever - after she was shown to have an IQ higher than EINSTEIN.

(checks article for mention of Einstein's IQ... ehh, why bother - it's the Sun; facts are not their strong suit.)
 
2013-02-12 10:35:13 PM
Did she take the Mensa Test they offer online or actually go to a mandated Mensa testing site and take the test there?  I skimmed.  And OMG - she's "the daughter of a black cab driver".   REALLY?    That doesn't matter! That her dad drives a cab.  Only that he's black! Ugh!
 
2013-02-12 10:37:47 PM
Genuine Class
 
2013-02-12 10:39:21 PM

ZAZ: An IQ of 160 is what, 4 standard deviations above the mean? That means that there are literally 10s of millions of people who have been smarter than Einstein.

IQ doesn't have to be normally distributed. Chebyshev's inequality says no more than 1/16 of people can have IQs more than 4 standard deviations away from the mean (total of both directions) so there could be hundreds of millions of people as IQ-y as her. Or none. None. Then the question arises, would you put up with her personality to sleep with the moderately cute smartest girl in the world?

But they can't calibrate the test to be normal so far away from the mean, so as already noted this just means she's good at IQ tests.


I was under the impression that IQ scores were defined such that they must be normally distributed.  I'm no psychologist, but wikipedia backs this up.

Now you can argue that the scores aren't actually gaussian in the tails of the distribution (due to the previously mentioned calibration issues), but I'd think that the percentage would still be within a factor of a few anyway.
 
2013-02-12 10:40:06 PM

FizixJunkee: Wait.  Is a 161 IQ a big deal?  Perhaps it's because I'm surrounded by nerds, but 161 isn't all that impressive.


watchoutwegotabadass.jpg
 
2013-02-12 10:40:45 PM

Rufus Lee King: Well, seriously, I like hanging around FARK because of the high IQ level on display here. Hot dog, you bet.


RLK you make me smile most every day you're here. Thank you.
 
2013-02-12 10:41:22 PM

CheezieDanish: Did she take the Mensa Test they offer online or actually go to a mandated Mensa testing site and take the test there?  I skimmed.  And OMG - she's "the daughter of a black cab driver".   REALLY?    That doesn't matter! That her dad drives a cab.  Only that he's black! Ugh!


Again, a "black cab" is a vehicle that meets specific licensing requirements in the UK and has a driver with specific training.  The driver in question is white.

//And, confusingly, a black cab isn't necessarily black in color, either.
 
2013-02-12 10:41:27 PM

drjekel_mrhyde: Flappyhead: Asia Carrera is a member of Mensa, just so we're clear on how meaningful IQ scores are these days.

This


Shes an actor. She got paid lots of money to take some dick and got really famous. Her career is likely more satisfying than most.
Not sure how that shows unintelligence.
 
2013-02-12 10:42:05 PM

rattchett: Yeah.  Whatever.  Very interesting.  Anyway, what's the deal with the "Featured Partner" bullshiat that we're not permitted to comment on?  Lame, lame, lame, lame!

I've been hesitant to ask this, but curious.  Sponsored posts would be less annoying if you could comment on them.  And several so far have been commentable.
 
2013-02-12 10:42:22 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: "bigger IQ" subby?
I think you mean "higher IQ"


Talking about bigger IQ: wait until you see its girth!
 
2013-02-12 10:42:35 PM

beefoe: mamoru: Considering that IQ scores are (as I understand it) based on the current population, and the average is always 100, and surely the methods of measuring it have changed, is it even meaningful at all to compare a current IQ score with those of another time period?

Yes, it's all about inflation.  Just like a $100 dollars today is only equal to $70 ten years ago, IQ number have also experienced the same inflation.  So my 58 IQ measure in 1980 is probably worth something like 250 today.  That makes me a frickin genus!


So what would my 1986 score of 182 and my 1998 score of 186 be worth today? In modern IQ points.

/I could be a millionaire or something if I wasn't so lazy.
 
2013-02-12 10:42:40 PM

Theaetetus: Suckmaster Burstingfoam: This one's passable, vaguely better than English cute, but still no Boxxy

[pipernet.com.mx image 455x325]


ha that girl was hot
 
2013-02-12 10:43:49 PM

mamoru: Considering that IQ scores are (as I understand it) based on the current population, and the average is always 100, and surely the methods of measuring it have changed, is it even meaningful at all to compare a current IQ score with those of another time period?


It is meaningful, since a person today who score an IQ of, say 120 is actually more intelligent than a person who score an IQ of 120 50 years ago. Average IQ has been consistently going up and the test is constantly made harder to drop the average down to 100.

/Flynn Effect
 
2013-02-12 10:45:12 PM

runescorpio: drjekel_mrhyde: Flappyhead: Asia Carrera is a member of Mensa, just so we're clear on how meaningful IQ scores are these days.

This

Shes an actor. She got paid lots of money to take some dick and got really famous. Her career is likely more satisfying than most.
Not sure how that shows unintelligence.


Not only that, she got  out of porn while she was still at the top of her game, kept enough rights and made good enough deals that she's rich as hell, and largely manages her own properties and right.  Pretty solid performance for any profession, and rather impressive for an actor of any stripe.  Most hollywood types wouldn't get paid at all if they negotiated their own contracts like porn actors do.
 
2013-02-12 10:45:13 PM
img.thesun.co.uk static.werdyo.com
 
2013-02-12 10:45:34 PM

runescorpio: drjekel_mrhyde: Flappyhead: Asia Carrera is a member of Mensa, just so we're clear on how meaningful IQ scores are these days.

This

Shes an actor. She got paid lots of money to take some dick and got really famous. Her career is likely more satisfying than most.
Not sure how that shows unintelligence.


Given that my last corporate job felt a lot like being farked in the ass, I'd say her job can't be a lot worse than mine was.  At least she signed up for it...
 
2013-02-12 10:45:43 PM

Spaced Cowboy: The hard part is putting an intellect like that to use in a fulfilling and worthwhile manner while not letting it turn you into a cynical bastard that hates the zombie hordes of farking idiots that you spend life surrounded by.


You do that by realizing that you're actually not any better than everyone else.
 
2013-02-12 10:47:44 PM
Wake me up when she's made major contributions to physics.
 
2013-02-12 10:50:41 PM

Smeggy Smurf: Feral_and_Preposterous: Well, where's my f*cking flying car, b*tch?

I got your flying car right here


Correction:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsFfBB2W7IA
 
2013-02-12 10:50:51 PM
Is it possible to mention your own IQ without sounding like an absolute tool?
 
2013-02-12 10:52:56 PM
You know that night club you can get into but only if your IQ is high enough?  Yeah, me neither.

/don't post that stupid game show facade of a counterpoint
 
2013-02-12 10:53:48 PM
This may be one of the few times I actually agree with stubby... She IS decently cute, and not in a gross overdone, duck face way.
 
2013-02-12 10:53:49 PM
All mensa members i've ever met had no clue how to tie their shoelaces.  I hope this lovely young lady is also blessed with a trace of common sense.
 
2013-02-12 10:54:31 PM
Hawkins?

farm6.static.flickr.com
 
2013-02-12 10:55:51 PM

loonatic112358: Flappyhead: Asia Carrera is a member of Mensa, just so we're clear on how meaningful IQ scores are these days.

so a porn star is smarter then you, how does it make you feel?


Like I want to get laid? Yes, that sounds about right.
 
2013-02-12 10:56:26 PM
25.media.tumblr.com

www2.citypaper.com

cdn1.screenrant.com

I admit that Hawkins was a genius with women and had something like 80 children but I was never impressed by either one of the Einstein brothers.  Albert Einstein who uses the stage name Albert Brooks and Bob Einstein who goes by Super Dave aren't really at all amusing
 
2013-02-12 10:56:58 PM

InternetSecurityGuard: Hawkins?

[farm6.static.flickr.com image 500x295]


Geez, she's got a big pussy.
Geez, she's got a big pussy.
 
2013-02-12 10:59:31 PM

thursdaypostal: Is it possible to mention your own IQ without sounding like an absolute tool?


You can probably get away with it if your IQ is over 85 but less than 100.

/I did it in the other thread
//As part of an argument about why the number is meaningless.
 
2013-02-12 11:00:32 PM

MrEricSir: Wake me up when she's made major contributions to physics.


You don't think boobs and porn positions involve contributions to physics?

Oh, you meant the girl in the article, not Asia.
 
2013-02-12 11:03:09 PM

Rufus Lee King: thursdaypostal: Is it possible to mention your own IQ without sounding like an absolute tool?

I don't think so, no.

Pocket Ninja:
"Remember, if you want to boast about the enormous size of your IQ in one of these threads, there are certain standards and procedures that you need to follow lest people think you're some sort of insufferable braggart. First of all, you need to begin your IQ statement with some sort of declaimer explaining that you don't really care about your IQ. Something like, "I'm not really sure that it means all that much," or "I've never really placed much stock in this, but," or something like that. You could also go a slightly different path, acknowledging that your IQ is perhaps not quite as high as that of others, but that you were hung over/sick/distracted/bored when you took the test and so almost certainly didn't score as high as you otherwise might. Be careful to not overplay this hand, especially if others have already used something similar.

When you get to the actual number, it's generally best to express it as a range. Like, saying "I scored a 147" would possibly be impressive, except that, like in the Price is Right when some asshat comes in on the initial bid and goes one dollar over your offer and wins as a result, it's too easy to top. So, keeping it somewhat vague (I scored in the 140s-150s range, but the administrator said there were some irregularities that might have meant I actually scored much higher, etc.) works to your advantage. It's also a good idea to hang back in the thread a bit, wait to see if there some general field of scores being posted, and remain within striking distance of that so that you don't sound too out there. For example, if everyone is placing themselves in the 150-160 range, you might come in the upper 160s. Don't blow the field by more than a few points, though; you're likely to find yourself a target.

Self-hobbling is another great technique to make yourself seem more realistic when it comes to your high IQ score. By this, I mean claiming some sort of amusing defect that you must live with on a daily basis despite being "gifted" with such an enormous intellect. For example, you might be someone with a 180 IQ who can't, for the life of him, change his car oil. And you might sentimentalize a bit about it, must on how sometimes you think it would be a good thing to be just slightly less perceptive, slightly less intelligent, if only you could get your hands around some of the "common sense," "nitty gritty" know how that the less intellectually endowed sometimes seem to have. It doesn't have to be mechanical skills, of course. Maybe you're forgetful, always misplacing your keys. Maybe you're just  terrible with names. Be creative, that's what you do. "
 
2013-02-12 11:03:20 PM

rattchett: Yeah.  Whatever.  Very interesting.  Anyway, what's the deal with the "Featured Partner" bullshiat that we're not permitted to comment on?  Lame, lame, lame, lame!


yup, i think im ready to leave fark for good because of this nonsense
 
2013-02-12 11:03:30 PM

Molavian: Spaced Cowboy: The hard part is putting an intellect like that to use in a fulfilling and worthwhile manner while not letting it turn you into a cynical bastard that hates the zombie hordes of farking idiots that you spend life surrounded by.

You do that by realizing that you're actually not any better than everyone else.


Spend one day in corporate America and you will see how false that is.  Better yet, hook up with a state agency and just hang around the office for a few hours.  That idea of us all being equal?  That shiat disintegrates really fast when you regularly see college educated workers struggling with basic mathematics or management drones that are indistinguishable from the entry level intern when it comes to knowledge of their department.

I wish I still lived in that ideal world where I believed that we were all useful people.  It simply isn't true.
 
2013-02-12 11:03:37 PM

puckrock2000: "DITZY" blonde Lauren Marbe is being hailed as the brainiest Essex girl ever - after she was shown to have an IQ higher than EINSTEIN.

(checks article for mention of Einstein's IQ... ehh, why bother - it's the Sun; facts are not their strong suit.)


Not like anyone reads the Sun anyway. They just look at the tits on page 3.
 
2013-02-12 11:03:37 PM
She needs to be informed that my dick is a smart choice

/its legal in england!
//is having a seat over there...
 
2013-02-12 11:03:39 PM

ladyfortuna: Damn it, forgot about the new anti-code measures.
[i391.photobucket.com image 478x273]


I really miss that show.
 
2013-02-12 11:04:32 PM

Just_a_Bear: All mensa members i've ever met had no clue how to tie their shoelaces.  I hope this lovely young lady is also blessed with a trace of common sense.


Somehow I get the strange feeling you don't spend a lot of time with Mensa members.
 
2013-02-12 11:05:39 PM

thursdaypostal: Is it possible to mention your own IQ without sounding like an absolute tool?


Yes, but you have to be making this face when you do it:

lygsbtd.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-02-12 11:06:04 PM

StokeyBob: This thread is useless.

She's way too smart to have anything to do with any of us.


Oh I don't know.   I'm pretty sure after I gave her 10 or 12 beers I could talk her into some butt secks.
 
2013-02-12 11:18:54 PM

trappedspirit: Just_a_Bear: All mensa members i've ever met had no clue how to tie their shoelaces.  I hope this lovely young lady is also blessed with a trace of common sense.

Somehow I get the strange feeling you don't spend a lot of time with Mensa members.


True, I have yet to find one worth hanging out with.
 
2013-02-12 11:21:26 PM

FizixJunkee: Wait. Is a 161 IQ a big deal? Perhaps it's because I'm surrounded by nerds, but 161 isn't all that impressive.


You need to get out more.
 
2013-02-12 11:22:05 PM

Just_a_Bear: trappedspirit: Just_a_Bear: All mensa members i've ever met had no clue how to tie their shoelaces.  I hope this lovely young lady is also blessed with a trace of common sense.

Somehow I get the strange feeling you don't spend a lot of time with Mensa members.

True, I have yet to find one worth hanging out with.


img839.imageshack.us

This guy seems pretty fun to hang out with
 
2013-02-12 11:22:41 PM
In all seriousness, I hang here because I think it provides a reasonable facsimile of the opinion of the somewhat more intelligent and slightly more likely to vote types of people.

/real drunk
//obviously
///but serious
 
2013-02-12 11:24:06 PM

James F. Campbell: taxandspend: Wake me when these geniuses use their knowledge to change the world like Einstein did.

I'd rather they not change it like Einstein did, if the result is a new superweapon.


If we stop making new superweapons, the Moon Nazis win.

/Wants a Death Star, NOW!
 
2013-02-12 11:25:51 PM
I have a large IQ as well, and people never like it when I tell them that there is much difference between you and me, from you and a retard; so you best listen to me.
 
2013-02-12 11:27:13 PM
While it's mildly amusing to see all these explanations dismissing high IQ scores, I don't think anyone has stepped back and looked at the other possibility, which is, this being a Sun article there is a rather good chance it's... made up. Because really, how does a cute, tan-and-manicure, reality-show-loving bimbette with a high IQ not sell papers?
 
2013-02-12 11:27:39 PM

Just_a_Bear: trappedspirit: Just_a_Bear: All mensa members i've ever met had no clue how to tie their shoelaces.  I hope this lovely young lady is also blessed with a trace of common sense.

Somehow I get the strange feeling you don't spend a lot of time with Mensa members.

True, I have yet to find one worth hanging out with.


Quit confining your searches to 'people currently in my basement dwelling'.  See the padlocks on the door as a puzzle.
 
2013-02-12 11:33:49 PM
CSB time, now...

I went to the MN state fair a couple years ago with my previous girlfriend, and we found the Mensa booth. Girlfriend was very gung ho about trying to join, and sat down right then and there, trying to figure out the tests they had set up.

Being bored out of my skull for the next fifteen minutes, mostly due to the fact that the only booths nearby were for churches and private colleges, I decided to take a look at them, myself. I grabbed the nearest one and completed it in a matter of seconds. I then reset it and did it in a different way.

The person watching the booth was staring at me by the time I looked up after the 7th time completing the little test. When his brain finally re-engaged, he asked me if I would come in and take the official test. I politely declined, and we moved on.

Before anyone calls me a pretentious ass for this story, I did not decline because I felt I was better than them, or for any other, equally douche-tastic reason. My brain seems to be built for creative problem solving, and general creativity. One of the reasons I write and love to cook. At any given time, I have 7 ideas for short stories in my head. However, when it comes to showing my work, or even describing a recipe, I'm completely at a loss. This of course makes writing and teaching a little difficult at times. That alone makes me feel that I'm not Mensa material.

That, and people would likely expect more from me if I did join, and I'm okay with taking it easy now that I'm out of the Military.

/end CSB
 
2013-02-12 11:37:25 PM

Jack Butler: [img.thesun.co.uk image 620x764] [static.werdyo.com image 560x840]


Yeah, but that's not a fair comparison. Miranda was genetically altered to be perfect.

/that's some fine character development there, Bioware.
 
2013-02-12 11:38:35 PM

UncleStumpy: rattchett: Yeah.  Whatever.  Very interesting.  Anyway, what's the deal with the "Featured Partner" bullshiat that we're not permitted to comment on?  Lame, lame, lame, lame!

yup, i think im ready to leave fark for good because of this nonsense


I'm on mobile, I don't even see them.

/can't you just scroll past and ignore them? Is it really worth the fuss, esp in a non-related thread?
 
2013-02-12 11:40:00 PM
I'd fark the smart right out of her.

/if she was legal
 
2013-02-12 11:41:51 PM
"That puts the teenager - who loves fake tanning, manicures and partying - among the most intelligent one per cent of people on the planet."

No.  It puts her in the top x% of people who took that particular IQ test.
 
2013-02-12 11:44:00 PM

ZAZ: An IQ of 160 is what, 4 standard deviations above the mean? That means that there are literally 10s of millions of people who have been smarter than Einstein.

IQ doesn't have to be normally distributed. Chebyshev's inequality says no more than 1/16 of people can have IQs more than 4 standard deviations away from the mean (total of both directions) so there could be hundreds of millions of people as IQ-y as her. Or none. None. Then the question arises, would you put up with her personality to sleep with the moderately cute smartest girl in the world?

But they can't calibrate the test to be normal so far away from the mean, so as already noted this just means she's good at IQ tests.


And has pointy knees?
 
2013-02-12 11:47:50 PM

Rufus Lee King: I hope you folks realize that IQ tests are culturally biased. One might even call them racist.


Well yeah, they tend to be biased against stupid cultures.  What's your point?
 
2013-02-12 11:48:03 PM

thursdaypostal: Is it possible to mention your own IQ without sounding like an absolute tool?


Only if it's under 100.
 
2013-02-12 11:50:12 PM

Fano: Rufus Lee King: thursdaypostal: Is it possible to mention your own IQ without sounding like an absolute tool?

I don't think so, no.
Pocket Ninja:
"Remember, if you want to boast about the enormous size of your IQ in one of these threads, there are certain standards and procedures that you need to follow lest people think you're some sort of insufferable braggart. First of all, you need to begin your IQ statement with some sort of declaimer explaining that you don't really care about your IQ. Something like, "I'm not really sure that it means all that much," or "I've never really placed much stock in this, but," or something like that. You could also go a slightly different path, acknowledging that your IQ is perhaps not quite as high as that of others, but that you were hung over/sick/distracted/bored when you took the test and so almost certainly didn't score as high as you otherwise might. Be careful to not overplay this hand, especially if others have already used something similar.

When you get to the actual number, it's generally best to express it as a range. Like, saying "I scored a 147" would possibly be impressive, except that, like in the Price is Right when some asshat comes in on the initial bid and goes one dollar over your offer and wins as a result, it's too easy to top. So, keeping it somewhat vague (I scored in the 140s-150s range, but the administrator said there were some irregularities that might have meant I actually scored much higher, etc.) works to your advantage. It's also a good idea to hang back in the thread a bit, wait to see if there some general field of scores being posted, and remain within striking distance of that so that you don't sound too out there. For example, if everyone is placing themselves in the 150-160 range, you might come in the upper 160s. Don't blow the field by more than a few points, though; you're likely to find yourself a target.

Self-hobbling is another great technique to make yourself seem more realistic whe ...


As usual, Pocket Ninja is right on the money.
 
2013-02-12 11:53:05 PM

FizixJunkee: Wait.  Is a 161 IQ a big deal?  Perhaps it's because I'm surrounded by nerds, but 161 isn't all that impressive.


Every 15 points represents one standard deviation from the median.  Being 4 standard deviations above the median puts you in some very rarified territory.

For your edification, that IQ test you took on the interwebs isn't at all accurate.  I tend to score 160 to 180 on those online tests.  On the real tests I scored quite a bit lower.
 
2013-02-12 11:54:32 PM
Lauren is now aiming to take A-Levels in art, physics and maths after her GCSEs and would love to study architecture at Cambridge University.


She'll never work harder for shiat money.  Save the $200k and just become a real estate agent - they get the same 6% we do, and they get it every time a building flips.
 
2013-02-12 11:56:25 PM

Mr. Eugenides: FizixJunkee: Wait.  Is a 161 IQ a big deal?  Perhaps it's because I'm surrounded by nerds, but 161 isn't all that impressive.

Every 15 points represents one standard deviation from the median.  Being 4 standard deviations above the median puts you in some very rarified territory.

For your edification, that IQ test you took on the interwebs isn't at all accurate.


Which online IQ test that I [allegedly] took are you referring to?
 
2013-02-12 11:58:46 PM

thursdaypostal: Is it possible to mention your own IQ without sounding like an absolute tool?


Why don't you try it and let us know?

Include the confidence interval, the confidence level, the name and version or edition of the instrument used, the date of the assessment, your age at the time, and the name and credentials of the professional who performed the assessment. If applicable, include any subscores.

/You'll still sound like a tool, but at least you'll increase your odds of being believed.
//12+ years of Fark IQ threads, still haven't seen a legitimate score, and I'm pretty sure more than a few of y'all have been professionally assessed, if you know what I'm sayin'
 
2013-02-13 12:04:09 AM

KStDrew: tenpoundsofcheese: "bigger IQ" subby?
I think you mean "higher IQ"

Talking about bigger IQ: wait until you see its girth!


Women don't really care about bigger, higher, harder, length, or girth.
What they do care about is consent.
 
2013-02-13 12:04:22 AM

Jclark666: thursdaypostal: Is it possible to mention your own IQ without sounding like an absolute tool?

Why don't you try it and let us know?

Include the confidence interval, the confidence level, the name and version or edition of the instrument used, the date of the assessment, your age at the time, and the name and credentials of the professional who performed the assessment. If applicable, include any subscores.

/You'll still sound like a tool, but at least you'll increase your odds of being believed.
//12+ years of Fark IQ threads, still haven't seen a legitimate score, and I'm pretty sure more than a few of y'all have been professionally assessed, if you know what I'm sayin'


My professionall assessor told me if I were any crazier, I'd have a new white coat.

/kidding.

//mostly
 
2013-02-13 12:05:29 AM

Jclark666: thursdaypostal: Is it possible to mention your own IQ without sounding like an absolute tool?

Why don't you try it and let us know?

Include the confidence interval, the confidence level, the name and version or edition of the instrument used, the date of the assessment, your age at the time, and the name and credentials of the professional who performed the assessment. If applicable, include any subscores.

/You'll still sound like a tool, but at least you'll increase your odds of being believed.
//12+ years of Fark IQ threads, still haven't seen a legitimate score, and I'm pretty sure more than a few of y'all have been professionally assessed, if you know what I'm sayin'


I was told to wear a helmet the next time I come back to test.  I think that's a good sign that I'm in the top few %.  I've been tested a bunch and they never tell anyone else that!
 
2013-02-13 12:05:37 AM
I heard this girl likes TOWIE.
 
2013-02-13 12:05:43 AM
But remember folks...

25.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-02-13 12:08:22 AM

Mr. Eugenides: Rufus Lee King: I hope you folks realize that IQ tests are culturally biased. One might even call them racist.

Well yeah, they tend to be biased against stupid cultures.  What's your point?


I took University administered tests from age 4 to 32 every 4 years as part of a comparative study on the development of children that were raised by biological parents, single parents, adopted, etc., etc. The tests each time were surprisingly non-biased, either culturally or linguistically. They also took 2 eight-hour days to complete each time.
 
m00
2013-02-13 12:10:57 AM

chaosweaver: CSB time, now...

I went to the MN state fair a couple years ago with my previous girlfriend, and we found the Mensa booth. Girlfriend was very gung ho about trying to join, and sat down right then and there, trying to figure out the tests they had set up.

Being bored out of my skull for the next fifteen minutes, mostly due to the fact that the only booths nearby were for churches and private colleges, I decided to take a look at them, myself. I grabbed the nearest one and completed it in a matter of seconds. I then reset it and did it in a different way.

The person watching the booth was staring at me by the time I looked up after the 7th time completing the little test. When his brain finally re-engaged, he asked me if I would come in and take the official test. I politely declined, and we moved on.

Before anyone calls me a pretentious ass for this story, I did not decline because I felt I was better than them, or for any other, equally douche-tastic reason. My brain seems to be built for creative problem solving, and general creativity. One of the reasons I write and love to cook. At any given time, I have 7 ideas for short stories in my head. However, when it comes to showing my work, or even describing a recipe, I'm completely at a loss. This of course makes writing and teaching a little difficult at times. That alone makes me feel that I'm not Mensa material.

That, and people would likely expect more from me if I did join, and I'm okay with taking it easy now that I'm out of the Military.

/end CSB


Pocket Ninja clearly has a higher IQ than you.
 
2013-02-13 12:12:02 AM
Well, cool for her. But she should realize that IQ doesn't identify how intelligent one is in specific areas of study. The article mentions physics, but I don't know if they just looked at her school schedule or if that's a passion of hers. If it's a passion of hers, it would be pretty rad to see someone like her just have a theoretical physics rap-battle with someone like Hawking. But really, for example, I have some stupid high IQ and I had to take college algebra over a few times just to get a passing grade. I downright suck at math. So she shouldn't let that number go to her head and automatically think that she is smarter than everyone else in every area of academia.
 
2013-02-13 12:12:58 AM
ESSEX GIRLS ARE WELL-GROOMED
 
2013-02-13 12:13:11 AM

emersonbiggins: Save the $200k


From their undergrad webpage:

Like most English universities, Cambridge will be charging new UK and EU students tuition fee of £9,000 per year for all undergraduate courses in 2012-13.

Rather than pay your tuition fees up front or while studying at the University, you can take out a government student loan for tuition, and defer payment until you have left Cambridge and are earning a minimum salary (currently £21,000 per year).


It used to be 3000 pounds, tops.

Unlike in the U.S., other countries' education systems actually make sense.
 
m00
2013-02-13 12:15:41 AM
Can one of the high-IQ geniuses on this thread give me a quantitative definition of "Intelligence"?
 
2013-02-13 12:16:30 AM

ZAZ: IQ doesn't have to be normally distributed.


IQ is normally distributed, by definition.  You could argue that the underlying intelligence they are trying to measure isn't normally distributed, but that doesn't matter.
 
2013-02-13 12:17:05 AM

FizixJunkee: Fano: Rufus Lee King: thursdaypostal: Is it possible to mention your own IQ without sounding like an absolute tool?

I don't think so, no.
Pocket Ninja:
"Remember, if you want to boast about the enormous size of your IQ in one of these threads, there are certain standards and procedures that you need to follow lest people think you're some sort of insufferable braggart. First of all, you need to begin your IQ statement with some sort of declaimer explaining that you don't really care about your IQ. Something like, "I'm not really sure that it means all that much," or "I've never really placed much stock in this, but," or something like that. You could also go a slightly different path, acknowledging that your IQ is perhaps not quite as high as that of others, but that you were hung over/sick/distracted/bored when you took the test and so almost certainly didn't score as high as you otherwise might. Be careful to not overplay this hand, especially if others have already used something similar.

When you get to the actual number, it's generally best to express it as a range. Like, saying "I scored a 147" would possibly be impressive, except that, like in the Price is Right when some asshat comes in on the initial bid and goes one dollar over your offer and wins as a result, it's too easy to top. So, keeping it somewhat vague (I scored in the 140s-150s range, but the administrator said there were some irregularities that might have meant I actually scored much higher, etc.) works to your advantage. It's also a good idea to hang back in the thread a bit, wait to see if there some general field of scores being posted, and remain within striking distance of that so that you don't sound too out there. For example, if everyone is placing themselves in the 150-160 range, you might come in the upper 160s. Don't blow the field by more than a few points, though; you're likely to find yourself a target.

Self-hobbling is another great technique to make yourself seem more realist ...


I would pay money for a book derived from his posts over the years, in context or not.

Also, I'm still waiting for the legendary thread where he and Spentmiles have a trolloff. That sparkling up and comer could hold his own for what I imagine in my mind the most extraordinary exchange in human history.
 
m00
2013-02-13 12:17:18 AM

Mutiny32: But really, for example, I have some stupid high IQ and I had to take college algebra over a few times just to get a passing grade.


FizixJunkee: As usual, Pocket Ninja is right on the money.

 
2013-02-13 12:17:43 AM

thursdaypostal: Is it possible to mention your own IQ without sounding like an absolute tool?



"I don't know what my IQ is. People who gloat about their IQs are losers."

--(supposedly) Stephen Hawking

\or what PocketNinja said
 
2013-02-13 12:20:32 AM

chaosweaver: That, and people would likely expect more from me if I did join, and I'm okay with taking it easy now that I'm out of the Military.


Oh, you were in the military?  That means you took an actual IQ test: the ASVAB.

What was your AFQT score?
 
2013-02-13 12:21:46 AM

Seth'n'Spectrum: emersonbiggins: Save the $200k

It used to be 3000 pounds, tops.

Unlike in the U.S., other countries' education systems actually make sense.


I'm impressed.  But, hey, at least our highways are free. /sarc
 
2013-02-13 12:24:24 AM

m00: Mutiny32: But really, for example, I have some stupid high IQ and I had to take college algebra over a few times just to get a passing grade.

FizixJunkee: As usual, Pocket Ninja is right on the money.


Except I didn't want to mention it because I would sound like I was being smug about it. I mentioned it was because I simply have first-hand experience in the point I was trying to make.

Also, I was meta-trolling.
 
2013-02-13 12:24:31 AM
Great...she'll be the only girl on the pole muttering about quantum physics.
 
2013-02-13 12:28:10 AM

IXI Jim IXI: Great...she'll be the only girl on the pole muttering about quantum physics.


I gotta admit, that would be pretty hot.
 
2013-02-13 12:29:47 AM

Rufus Lee King: I hope you folks realize that IQ tests are culturally biased. One might even call them racist.



RACIST???

That could be a pretty damn strong accusation, dude.

/Depending on who they favor, of course
 
2013-02-13 12:29:50 AM
What's wrong with her hand?

i1164.photobucket.com

i1164.photobucket.com

/make a pass at her now
//before she's only British hot
///who plays piano like that?
 
2013-02-13 12:32:49 AM
Cute

You don't seem to understand how this works subby.
 
2013-02-13 12:32:50 AM

mephisto_kur: "everybody before me had got around the 130 mark"

Invalid test.


no shiat. that's not much of a bell curve.
 
2013-02-13 12:35:48 AM

Joafu: "Thrilled Lauren, of Loughton, Essex, is the daughter of a black cab driver"
[media.realitatea.ro image 728x521]

I guess this works in reverse?
[www.omgsoysauce.com image 296x408]


Came here to do this exact post.
 
2013-02-13 12:37:03 AM
I'm not familiar with the "Mensa Test" and I'm sure the UK one is different, and I'm sure The Sun can botch any description of anything, but if it is scored like the Stanford-Binet the younger you are, the higher your score is for the exact same answers as an older test taker, and anything over 145 is pretty much the same score, in terms of test-retest validity.
So, congrats, kid, yawn.
 
2013-02-13 12:43:43 AM

Seth'n'Spectrum: emersonbiggins: Save the $200k

From their undergrad webpage:

Like most English universities, Cambridge will be charging new UK and EU students tuition fee of £9,000 per year for all undergraduate courses in 2012-13.

Rather than pay your tuition fees up front or while studying at the University, you can take out a government student loan for tuition, and defer payment until you have left Cambridge and are earning a minimum salary (currently £21,000 per year).

It used to be 3000 pounds, tops.

Unlike in the U.S., other countries' education systems actually make sense.


Tuition at UCLA, Cal Berkeley, and other top public univerisities isn't much higher.  The difference is room and board, not tuition.
 
2013-02-13 12:43:54 AM

Mutiny32: m00: Mutiny32: But really, for example, I have some stupid high IQ and I had to take college algebra over a few times just to get a passing grade.

FizixJunkee: As usual, Pocket Ninja is right on the money.

Except I didn't want to mention it because I would sound like I was being smug about it. I mentioned it was because I simply have first-hand experience in the point I was trying to make.

Also, I was meta-trolling.


And it was a thing of beauty, one of the best I've seen, and now you've gone and spoiled it.
 
m00
2013-02-13 01:00:15 AM

Mutiny32: m00: Mutiny32: But really, for example, I have some stupid high IQ and I had to take college algebra over a few times just to get a passing grade.

FizixJunkee: As usual, Pocket Ninja is right on the money.

Except I didn't want to mention it because I would sound like I was being smug about it. I mentioned it was because I simply have first-hand experience in the point I was trying to make.

Also, I was meta-trolling.


But you actually have a "stupid high IQ" right?
 
2013-02-13 01:00:50 AM

Cyno01: But remember folks...

[25.media.tumblr.com image 500x500]

25.media.tumblr.com

Can I settle for one?
 
m00
2013-02-13 01:01:40 AM

LabGrrl: I'm not familiar with the "Mensa Test" and I'm sure the UK one is different, and I'm sure The Sun can botch any description of anything, but if it is scored like the Stanford-Binet the younger you are, the higher your score is for the exact same answers as an older test taker, and anything over 145 is pretty much the same score, in terms of test-retest validity.
So, congrats, kid, yawn.


Are you one of those "fake lab girls"?
 
2013-02-13 01:02:22 AM

Jim_Callahan: runescorpio: drjekel_mrhyde: Flappyhead: Asia Carrera is a member of Mensa, just so we're clear on how meaningful IQ scores are these days.

This

Shes an actor. She got paid lots of money to take some dick and got really famous. Her career is likely more satisfying than most.
Not sure how that shows unintelligence.

Not only that, she got  out of porn while she was still at the top of her game, kept enough rights and made good enough deals that she's rich as hell, and largely manages her own properties and right.  Pretty solid performance for any profession, and rather impressive for an actor of any stripe.  Most hollywood types wouldn't get paid at all if they negotiated their own contracts like porn actors do.


Actually she didn't get rich as hell. Her husband died in a car accident, she didn't have a whole lot of money and was 8 months pregnant. I remember hearing that she was asking for donations, and slipped into depression. IIRC, her husband had a life insurance policy that eventually paid out. She hit the bottle pretty hard. I think she took up a hobby hunting for dinosaur fossils in Utah.
 
2013-02-13 01:03:21 AM
161 is what I got as a kid, and that's despite scoring 20 on part of it because of my learning disability.  I took it again later and all the work I'd done in that area boosted that part of my IQ up over 100, but my overall fell to a still respectable 130.  To be fair, I was (and still am) on some medication the second time that messes with my memory a lot.

I peaked in 5th grade.  I scored second in my grade on a math test and got a perfect score on the reading test.  That and $5 will get me a sandwich.
 
2013-02-13 01:09:20 AM

m00: LabGrrl: I'm not familiar with the "Mensa Test" and I'm sure the UK one is different, and I'm sure The Sun can botch any description of anything, but if it is scored like the Stanford-Binet the younger you are, the higher your score is for the exact same answers as an older test taker, and anything over 145 is pretty much the same score, in terms of test-retest validity.
So, congrats, kid, yawn.

Are you one of those "fake lab girls"?


No, I'm the real LabGrrl. All the other LabGrrls are just LabGrrlFaking.
 
2013-02-13 01:12:20 AM

chaosweaver: CSB time, now...

I went to the MN state fair a couple years ago with my previous girlfriend, and we found the Mensa booth. Girlfriend was very gung ho about trying to join, and sat down right then and there, trying to figure out the tests they had set up.

Being bored out of my skull for the next fifteen minutes, mostly due to the fact that the only booths nearby were for churches and private colleges, I decided to take a look at them, myself. I grabbed the nearest one and completed it in a matter of seconds. I then reset it and did it in a different way.

The person watching the booth was staring at me by the time I looked up after the 7th time completing the little test. When his brain finally re-engaged, he asked me if I would come in and take the official test. I politely declined, and we moved on.

Before anyone calls me a pretentious ass for this story, I did not decline because I felt I was better than them, or for any other, equally douche-tastic reason. My brain seems to be built for creative problem solving, and general creativity. One of the reasons I write and love to cook. At any given time, I have 7 ideas for short stories in my head. However, when it comes to showing my work, or even describing a recipe, I'm completely at a loss. This of course makes writing and teaching a little difficult at times. That alone makes me feel that I'm not Mensa material.

That, and people would likely expect more from me if I did join, and I'm okay with taking it easy now that I'm out of the Military.

/end CSB


It's a social club. Nobody expects shiat. You can participate in their activities and challenges or just show up for the food and beer. The MENSA group I met set up an event to try the lunch buffet at a strip club. Lady that organized heard that they had good lunches. Bam: MENSA meeting. It's not like they sat around trying to show how smart they are.

They were mostly friendly and normal. One pattern that I did notice was that they were very outgoing-- socially and professionally. I think they just like hanging around similarly intense people.

/ Not a MENSA member
// Not socially outgoing
 
2013-02-13 01:15:52 AM
I took an IQ test in high school and was told I scored very high.  However, I'm pretty sure all that booze I drank in college, grad school and during my early career knocked off quite a few points.  Along with my bout with X, coke and dope.

And now look at me, I'm posting regularly on Fark regaling you all with my genius!!!!
 
2013-02-13 01:39:08 AM
PocketNinja = my hero
 
2013-02-13 01:41:45 AM

Mr. Eugenides: FizixJunkee: Wait.  Is a 161 IQ a big deal?  Perhaps it's because I'm surrounded by nerds, but 161 isn't all that impressive.

Every 15 points represents one standard deviation from the median.  Being 4 standard deviations above the median puts you in some very rarified territory.

For your edification, that IQ test you took on the interwebs isn't at all accurate.  I tend to score 160 to 180 on those online tests.  On the real tests I scored quite a bit lower.


A fair number of the on-line ones max out at 160.
Ten years ago or so a colleague at work insisted I take one and then it became a game where we took a bunch.
Of the suite of 10 or so I took, there we so many highly similar questions that maxing out was trivial. It was no longer worth winning a free beer at lunch.
 
2013-02-13 01:42:37 AM

CthulhuCalling: Jim_Callahan: runescorpio: drjekel_mrhyde: Flappyhead: Asia Carrera is a member of Mensa, just so we're clear on how meaningful IQ scores are these days.

This

Shes an actor. She got paid lots of money to take some dick and got really famous. Her career is likely more satisfying than most.
Not sure how that shows unintelligence.

Not only that, she got  out of porn while she was still at the top of her game, kept enough rights and made good enough deals that she's rich as hell, and largely manages her own properties and right.  Pretty solid performance for any profession, and rather impressive for an actor of any stripe.  Most hollywood types wouldn't get paid at all if they negotiated their own contracts like porn actors do.

Actually she didn't get rich as hell. Her husband died in a car accident, she didn't have a whole lot of money and was 8 months pregnant. I remember hearing that she was asking for donations, and slipped into depression. IIRC, her husband had a life insurance policy that eventually paid out. She hit the bottle pretty hard. I think she took up a hobby hunting for dinosaur fossils in Utah.


Don't know anything about that, but she did dabble in professional gaming for a while.  She was a pretty solid FPS player in the CS/UT/Q3 heyday.
 
2013-02-13 02:28:26 AM
I await her ground breaking scientific discoveries.

Until then I don't give a damn what her IQ is.
 
2013-02-13 02:37:03 AM

thewulf: Smeggy Smurf: Feral_and_Preposterous: Well, where's my f*cking flying car, b*tch?

I got your flying car right here

Correction:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsFfBB2W7IA


25.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-02-13 03:05:26 AM

imfallen_angel: 2wolves: It's not what you have, it's what you do with it.

This...

I have probably a story that goes beyond the ordinary... in my youth they tested all the kids for a prototype program for the high IQ kids... and (of course as I'll telling this story), I got in without really wanting to, but they insisted.

The other kids were the typical stereotypes, but I was the "bad apple"... I had trouble in my classes, in large because of my outside-school life that was fairly stupid.. and I was bringing the average of the group down.

So they retested me, and due to their own rules, they were not able to kick me out as I was one of the highest scores (if not the highest, but they'd never tell).

I've done quite a few tests and I've always scored from around 150 to over 180.

Now the other kids of this group had been pumped that they'd be the future head of government, leaders of men, lawyers, doctors, etc.  So far, I've yet to see or hear from a single one that did anything news worthy, if anything, the few I have come across during the years have all ended up with very mediocre lives.

While myself, I quit school, went to night school to get my diploma and some college, etc. and did a shiatload of stupid things, but overall, I have a lot of abilities to figure stuff out, build, plan, etc. but for life stuff, I did a lot of mistakes, but at least nothing that I haven't been able to fix at some point.

So when it comes to IQ, sure, according to these tests I'm a genius, and I can outdo a crapload of people for many things, I'm a faster thinker, and usually can calculate a lot more details than others do, but I've learned that there's so many stupid people, and so many that managed to get quite far in life and end up being the ones that one can end up bumping heads against, that it's better to just do your best, enjoy life, etc.

My biggest flaw is my memory for names, numbers, and some areas, while it's great for others, but as I get older, I've notices that instead of remembering things like other people state they do (or can), I find that I simply integrate things into some sort of global pool of knowledge without remembering how I learned it, from where, or who, just that I know things (and can easily look them up to confirm).

But still, because I can't learn things "by heart", I would never be able to be a doctor/surgeon or such things, even though I probably would be able to learn procedures, do them flawlessly and know everything inside out about it, but would not be able to do the paperwork.  I love science and medicine and if life would have been different, I probably would have been someone that could have done huge things, but I was never pulled or pushed in the right direction.

So my point for all this is that your point is a very valid one, IQ is in very wide field and doesn't mean much... it really is a question of how this "IQ" works, and how one can use it.

I seriously would believe that some people that could be/could have been huge contributors to science, never get/got to because life didn't give them the chance, whatever the reasons.


almost to:dr but you just described my life which is more than a little bit weird.

I was informed of my very heigh IQ but never seemed to engage with academia.

I taught myself web development, and have a small web company in the UK instead if the doctor/lawyer/scientist I was told I would be.

The memory thing rings true with me. I have very different recall to anyone I know. Crap with names and dates but amazing in general knowledge.

Did you ever get tested for dyslexia? I did and I am. Super smart in some ways and dumb in others.
 
2013-02-13 03:08:15 AM

pippi longstocking: I have a large IQ as well, and people never like it when I tell them that there is much difference between you and me, from you and a retard; so you best listen to me.


I found out that I was born in the year of the snake, so I think I'm smarter than you and I might be right. Same diff.
 
2013-02-13 03:55:43 AM
Be nice if one of these geniuses actually did something for a change, instead of sitting in a wheelchair all day lopsided.
 
2013-02-13 04:11:12 AM
No, no, you guys, it's the cab that's African-American, not the driver.
 
2013-02-13 04:16:24 AM
Congrats on the high IQ!

...but those dishes aren't going to wash themselves, ya know.
 
2013-02-13 04:19:48 AM
Way to go, Einstein!
 
2013-02-13 04:30:18 AM

evilsofa: No, no, you guys, it's the cab that's African-AmericanBritish, not the driver.


FTFY.
 
2013-02-13 04:32:08 AM
There is something disturbing about the gestalt of her face, but if you look at the individual parts, she's hot.
 
2013-02-13 04:33:33 AM
Episodes of "Good Times" and "King of the HIll" come to mind.  I'd post the images, but it's 2:40 and I'm crashing.
 
2013-02-13 04:52:33 AM
164.  Necessary but not sufficient.  Deal.
 
2013-02-13 05:37:47 AM

revrendjim: IQ scores become less valid as they get farther from the mean, simply because a lucky guess on one question can have a large effect. Once you are getting scores above about three standard deviations (145) all you can say with certainty is that the person probably has an IQ greater than 145. To give a precise numerical value is meaningless. Of course a highly intelligent person would know that.


Intelligence and education are different things.

An educated person should know that. Same with the value of the tests when they reach the edge of what they are attempting to measure.

An intelligent person can not be expected to understand statistics as the human mind is especially poor with them.
 
2013-02-13 05:41:58 AM

bugcrusher: pippi longstocking: I have a large IQ as well, and people never like it when I tell them that there is much difference between you and me, from you and a retard; so you best listen to me.

I found out that I was born in the year of the snake, so I think I'm smarter than you and I might be right. Same diff.


so, are you 20, 40, 60, or 80 this year?
 
2013-02-13 05:46:33 AM
IQ averages are 80-120.  If the average person in Essex had an IQ of 130, I think we would've heard about it already.
 
2013-02-13 05:48:12 AM
Since this is the Sun, I would have said that she was prolly destined for Page 3, but Rupert's boyfriend finally set his foot down about those breeders in his paper, so he has to take Page 3 down...
 
2013-02-13 06:00:49 AM

m00: Can one of the high-IQ geniuses on this thread give me a quantitative definition of "Intelligence"?


It is a series of discreet but related abilities which include short term memory, long term memory, pattern recognition, the ability to integrate new information into your current knowledge base. Depending on what you are trying to measure there are numerous possible quibbles regarding definitions of my previous terms. And naturally there are a bunch of other things you may wish to include when measuring intelligence.

TL:DR If you need to quantify it, do it yourself.

Uneducated, or educated stupid people confuse intelligence and education.
 
2013-02-13 06:14:23 AM
OscarTamerz:
I admit that Hawkins was a genius with women and had something like 80 children but I was never impressed by either one of the Einstein brothers.  Albert Einstein who uses the stage name Albert Brooks and Bob Einstein who goes by Super Dave aren't really at all amusing

You shut your whore mouth about Super Dave Thomas.

FTFA: I love my fake tan and fake nails as well so I guess I am a bit of an Essex girl in that sense.

Olde Essex sounds like New Jersey.
 
2013-02-13 06:17:03 AM
British smart.
 
2013-02-13 07:07:17 AM

mephisto_kur: "everybody before me had got around the 130 mark"

Invalid test.


Why? she studying A-levels so all her class mates are already in the top 1/3 of the population for their age, and the article doesn't mention if she is in an advanced class or not, so quite possibly they are all grouped in a higher subset of that 1/3
 
2013-02-13 07:27:01 AM

Jim_Callahan: runescorpio: drjekel_mrhyde: Flappyhead: Asia Carrera is a member of Mensa, just so we're clear on how meaningful IQ scores are these days.

This

Shes an actor. She got paid lots of money to take some dick and got really famous. Her career is likely more satisfying than most.
Not sure how that shows unintelligence.

Not only that, she got  out of porn while she was still at the top of her game, kept enough rights and made good enough deals that she's rich as hell, and largely manages her own properties and right.  Pretty solid performance for any profession, and rather impressive for an actor of any stripe.  Most hollywood types wouldn't get paid at all if they negotiated their own contracts like porn actors do.


And she also loves living in a nice conservative place where people get arrested for distributing porn.
 
2013-02-13 07:27:23 AM

i upped my meds-up yours: Joafu: "Thrilled Lauren, of Loughton, Essex, is the daughter of a black cab driver"

What a black cab might look like:
[landanbyfd.files.wordpress.com image 408x272]


media.tumblr.com

"You are wasted as a cabby"
 
2013-02-13 07:34:39 AM

runescorpio: drjekel_mrhyde: Flappyhead: Asia Carrera is a member of Mensa, just so we're clear on how meaningful IQ scores are these days.

This

Shes an actor. She got paid lots of money to take some dick and got really famous. Her career is likely more satisfying than most.
Not sure how that shows unintelligence.


she sure get paid more than a scientist...
I have this pet-theory of mine that we have to little incentive for smart people to have useful jobs.
 
2013-02-13 07:45:29 AM

mephisto_kur: "everybody before me had got around the 130 mark"

Invalid test.


It is called selection bias. People opting to take a Mensa test are generally pretty much above average intelligence. So the test could very easily be perfectly valid for the general population. Would you claim a reputable IQ test was invalid because people at Harvard all score above 115?

/Figure pulled from where the sun doth not shine
 
2013-02-13 07:55:16 AM
www.picsdrive.com

"160? What is this, amature hour?"
 
2013-02-13 08:15:48 AM
Oh look. Another thread where everyone lies about their IQ.
 
2013-02-13 08:16:28 AM

heinrich66: Be nice if one of these geniuses actually did something for a change, instead of sitting in a wheelchair all day lopsided.


They think of things that can't be proven instead of doing something useful.
 
2013-02-13 08:20:28 AM
161?  That's nice.  It also means practically dick all unless you do something with it.

When I was in grade school I had tests administered to me the results of which meant that I got bussed to a different school every Friday to do "free form" learning...and my folks enrolled me in courses at the local university (which I flat out hated to go to but still did well at).  It was only this past year that I finally asked my folks (I'm 46 now) what those grade school tests were.  They were IQ tests as well and I supposedly scored higher than their scale could measure.

The story my mom tells is that they told the folks on testing day that the tests would be around an hour or so and then the tester brings me back around 20 minutes later.  She's thinking "oh hell, did he get in trouble?" but the tester tells her that from what I was doing in the first few minutes, she skipped straight to the end set of questions and I apparently nailed pretty much all of them.  She told the folks to take me to the local university and ask them to do an assessment which we apparently did (I don't recall it) but that produced similar results...and it meant extra school for me which I fairly despised.

You know what the end result of all the brainiac is?  I develop software for internet apps.  I didn't go into medicine to search for a cure for cancer.  I didn't discover the Higgs Boson.  I didn't end world hunger or anything like that.  I did sit the LSAT with no prep and a week after I returned from my honeymoon and scored the IQ equivalent of a 155 on it...but I didn't go to law school.  In fact, the high IQ actually hurt me because I never developed study skills until around my 2nd or 3rd year of university.  What the high IQ does for me is allows me very quickly assemble all the parts to a situation and craft a solution to situations posed to that situation.  That's all a high IQ really measures, in fact: the brain's ability to organize objects/thoughts/concepts in three dimensions.  I call it mental gymnastics because that's the way it seems to me.

The point I'm making is: a high IQ is nothing more than a tool.  In order to do something with it you have to have the motivation to do so and the discipline and training to make use of it effectively.  Edison is credited with saying that invention is 1% inspiration and 99% perspiration.  For those with high IQs, the formula may be not quite as unbalanced as that...but it's still weighted way heavily toward the "sweating" end of the spectrum.  Good for this girl and her raw brain talent.  Now, go learn to put it to good use.
 
2013-02-13 08:30:55 AM

ArkAngel: Lauren, of Loughton, Essex, is the daughter of a black cab driver

This could be part of the reason. Studies of black cab drivers show them to be unusually intelligent, being required to know the areas they drive extremely well. The test they have to pass averages 12 attempts and almost three years of practice.



i48.tinypic.com
 
2013-02-13 08:35:51 AM
Lauren, of Loughton, Essex, is the daughter of a black cab driver

Black dad, blonde kid. You can't explain that.
 
2013-02-13 08:45:36 AM

Fano: Just_a_Bear: trappedspirit: Just_a_Bear: All mensa members i've ever met had no clue how to tie their shoelaces.  I hope this lovely young lady is also blessed with a trace of common sense.

Somehow I get the strange feeling you don't spend a lot of time with Mensa members.

True, I have yet to find one worth hanging out with.

[img839.imageshack.us image 850x637]

This guy seems pretty fun to hang out with



The guy's got GREAT taste in music.
 
2013-02-13 09:11:35 AM

FizixJunkee: Flappyhead: Asia Carrera is a member of Mensa, just so we're clear on how meaningful IQ scores are these days.

I watched the documentary, "After Porn Ends", and it interviewed Asia.  She seemed very Aspie to me.  I have no problem believing that she's smarter than the average bear.

\the doc streams on Netflix if you're interested


She is indeed very smart:  in the early days of the web, she taught herself HTML and built her own website
from the server up, and I believe she still maintains it herself.

I wouldn't say she's an Aspergers sufferer, but she is definitely shy and not comfortable meeting
strangers.  By her own admission she didn't go into feature dancing (where porno stars make most of
their money) for precisely that reason.

I was lucky enough to meet her at one of her rare personal appearances, and while she was very friendly
and accomodating to her fans, she was also never very far from her VERY large body guard.

/Was at Rutgers the same time she was, but doesn't remember ever meeting her.
 
2013-02-13 09:22:12 AM

Flappyhead: Asia Carrera is a member of Mensa, just so we're clear on how meaningful IQ scores are these days.


Asia Carrera is filthy rich by farking for a living. I wish I was intelligent enough to pull that off.
 
2013-02-13 09:43:38 AM

James F. Campbell: taxandspend: Wake me when these geniuses use their knowledge to change the world like Einstein did.

I'd rather they not change it like Einstein did, if the result is a new superweapon.


Einstein didn't create the atom bomb, he just pointed out how bad it would be if Nazi Germany got one first.
 
2013-02-13 09:49:40 AM
Holy cow, she actually IS cute! And I'd go to her just for makeup training (or at least whoever did her makeup)!
 
2013-02-13 09:52:54 AM

Madbassist1: Flappyhead: Asia Carrera is a member of Mensa, just so we're clear on how meaningful IQ scores are these days.

Asia Carrera is filthy rich by farking for a living. I wish I was intelligent enough to pull that off.


Well, not filthy rich;
 
2013-02-13 09:53:39 AM
This article raises a lot of questions. Questions about our preconceptions regarding beauty and intelligence, about nature and nurture, but the question that went through my mind was-

WHAT THE FRAK IS TOWIE!?
 
2013-02-13 09:54:30 AM

craig328: The point I'm making is: a high IQ is nothing more than a tool. In order to do something with it you have to have the motivation to do so and the discipline and training to make use of it effectively. Edison is credited with saying that invention is 1% inspiration and 99% perspiration. For those with high IQs, the formula may be not quite as unbalanced as that...but it's still weighted way heavily toward the "sweating" end of the spectrum. Good for this girl and her raw brain talent. Now, go learn to put it to good use.


A whole lot of this. In fact without looking at the rest of this thread, I can guess that many others have made the same point. I remember from previous threads that there are at least a dozen (closer to two dozen) Farkers who scored high on IQ tests or were in advanced education (myself included) who've gone on to do... Not much. A lot of programming/office types as I recall.

I really really really wish schools were oriented toward teaching children, especially higher IQ children, to not only identify what they want to do, but how to achieve it with good, hard work. I think we'd see more tangible results from of our purportedly extra-tasty brains.
 
2013-02-13 09:58:38 AM

Flappyhead: Asia Carrera is a member of Mensa, just so we're clear on how meaningful IQ scores are these days.


She also played piano at Carnegie Hall twice before she was 15 and had a full ride to Rutgers. So yeah, she's pretty smart.
 
2013-02-13 10:13:46 AM
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2013-02-13 10:22:53 AM

gumpy: almost to:dr but you just described my life which is more than a little bit weird.

I was informed of my very heigh IQ but never seemed to engage with academia.

I taught myself web development, and have a small web company in the UK instead if the doctor/lawyer/scientist I was told I would be.

The memory thing rings true with me. I have very different recall to anyone I know. Crap with names and dates but amazing in general knowledge.

Did you ever get tested for dyslexia? I did and I am. Super smart in some ways and dumb in others.


Funny thing... as I get older, I make more typos that I've ever done in my life... such as I think one thing and the fingers go with a different word... brought it up to the doctor last year (about dyslexia as from what I read on it, I probably do have it)... response was that such testing is only done private and quite expensive and wouldn't really change anything... so now I have to double check everything I write more than ever.  Other issues is that I think of too many things at the same time and unless I write something down write away, odds are I'll forget (temporarily most times) what it was.  Annoying as crap.

And yup... lots of things I pick up instantly, I can improvise faster than others, improve on things, visualize things in my head very clearly and fast, but some things, like doing my tax return and management duties (paperwork) drives me nuts and I just can't get into it.

At some point I got myself to do triple digit calculations in my head, but I've stopped practicing doing that, but at least I know that I technically can do it if I push hard enough, probably would be able to go further too, but then the memory issues kicks in and I forget my place.

But as I said, I've done a lot of stupid things in life (relationships, choices of partners, career, etc.).

One thing I have realized is that I do have an "aura" that pushes people away and building friendships isn't easy... not that I'm an arse or anything, quite the opposite, I'm very friendly, helpful, but I tend to end up being the guy that helps someone out during their time of need, and then with their lives back on track, they move on.  I used to get used, and feel used, but in time I've learned to able it much better and help out as much as I can but no longer get too involved and know where and where to draw lines.

My wife is very similar, and her life was very rough before I came along and she's seen this, but she does find it more difficult than I do, but I had a much more different life than she did, especially the relationship with her parents.  But without hesitation, I can easily say that she is one of the smartest person I've known in my life where she also is able to pick just about any skills for anything that she gets into, but like myself, she has certain traits that prevents her from pushing it further.
 
2013-02-13 10:24:14 AM

pippi longstocking: I have a large IQ as well, and people never like it when I tell them that there is much difference between you and me, from you and a retard; so you best listen to me.


Nice troll but if you're serious, that really makes you sad and not as smart as you'd like to think that you are.
 
2013-02-13 10:24:40 AM
Aidan:

I really really really wish schools were oriented toward teaching children, especially higher IQ children, to not only identify what they want to do, but how to achieve it with good, hard work. I think we'd see more tangible results from of our purportedly extra-tasty brains.

Holy shiat, this.

Our unwillingness to develop gifted students properly is one of the biggest failures of our educational system (if not the biggest).
 
2013-02-13 10:26:13 AM

FizixJunkee: thursdaypostal: Is it possible to mention your own IQ without sounding like an absolute tool?

Only if it's under 100.


Under 100 = you'd probably still sound like a tool or can't even come up with a reply, and really no chance at any wit either.
 
2013-02-13 10:31:27 AM

revrendjim: IQ scores become less valid as they get farther from the mean, simply because a lucky guess on one question can have a large effect. Once you are getting scores above about three standard deviations (145) all you can say with certainty is that the person probably has an IQ greater than 145. To give a precise numerical value is meaningless. Of course a highly intelligent person would know that.


Came here to say this.
 
2013-02-13 10:31:47 AM

m00: Can one of the high-IQ geniuses on this thread give me a quantitative definition of "Intelligence"?


I'd go with... add your skills base, to the amount of valuable work you can accomplish, and balance it with the social blunders you do, and then add any serious accomplishments you have managed to do that would qualify as enduring efforts.

In other words, if you can do stuff well, then that's great.  If you have trouble doing stuff but still think that you're smart, it's time for a reality check.

Someone nice that does nice things, even if they are very simple ends up being a lot smarter in my books than someone that can do a bunch of things, not do them very well but thinks that they're the shiats anyways.
 
2013-02-13 10:38:52 AM

GypsyJoker: Aidan:

I really really really wish schools were oriented toward teaching children, especially higher IQ children, to not only identify what they want to do, but how to achieve it with good, hard work. I think we'd see more tangible results from of our purportedly extra-tasty brains.

Holy shiat, this.

Our unwillingness to develop gifted students properly is one of the biggest failures of our educational system (if not the biggest).


derp... if you go and read my Weeners, I covered this...

They have tried doing this... I was in my country's prototype group and it failed astronomical... they had no clue how do to it.

The head of this project managed to become one of the people that I will always regard with bad memories for the stupidity she exuded but blind to.

Decades later, I look back and still see how smarter I was then compared to her and the other adults involved and I can only wish that if I had the experience and knowledge I now possess, I would have scared the living crap of them a lot more than I did them.. My intelligence was raw, untempered, inexperienced and I would have seriously needed a lot more than they ever could have provided.  The only teacher I remember with fondness was one that got screwed over and over, her job always on the edge, etc. but she was the only one that actually cared and wanted to push and would respect the kids.  I should try to see if she's still around.. and thank her.
 
2013-02-13 10:46:43 AM

revrendjim: IQ scores become less valid as they get farther from the mean, simply because a lucky guess on one question can have a large effect. Once you are getting scores above about three standard deviations (145) all you can say with certainty is that the person probably has an IQ greater than 145. To give a precise numerical value is meaningless. Of course a highly intelligent person would know that.


Not exactly true. The majority of instruments are made for three standard deviations above and below the mean, and once the matrices show something higher than 150 you ought to confirm with a different instrument designed for this. As to lucky guesses, raw score does not translate in a fixed ratio to intelligence score but instead represents the increasing difference between higher and lower scores. Further, some instruments look for consistency in response, with a lucky guess continuing the assessment for longer but not contributing to an increased score in isolation.

mamoru: Considering that IQ scores are (as I understand it) based on the current population, and the average is always 100, and surely the methods of measuring it have changed, is it even meaningful at all to compare a current IQ score with those of another time period?


Yes, this is meaningful to suggest similarity of general intellectual aptitude because while there are apparently substantial increases over time the difference from the mean captures the developmental nature of intelligence. Thus, while a modern 160 would score much higher on a yesteryear instrument, and a yesteryear 160 would score much lower on a modern instrument, this is due to development in the period. A yesteryear 160, say Einstein, who was instead born in the present should have a development more in line with the present which would give him a modern 160, and the same with this girl being born in the 1880s. Direct comparison of the numbers would be inaccurate to do, but this is because this would be an inaccurate conception of intelligence as static.

Mr. Shabooboo: Ya, but can she manipulate knowledge into the abstract the way that Einstein and Hawking do?


No as IQ is a reflection of cognitive age, and cognitive development partially reflects ability to handle abstraction from the sheer inability to great mastery.

Krazikarl: People who who in fields with lots of really smart people don't ever think about stupid IQ tests.  Go hang out with a bunch of astrophysicists, or particle physicists, or brain surgeons, or whatever.  You won't hear anybody rambling on about scores that they got on a test that is poorly calibrated for anybody over 140 or so anyway.


I think about such instruments, but because this is part of my profession and more for the pleasure of the state labeling system than my own need to have a number.

Aidan: I really really really wish schools were oriented toward teaching children, especially higher IQ children, to not only identify what they want to do, but how to achieve it with good, hard work. I think we'd see more tangible results from of our purportedly extra-tasty brains.


Getting appropriate services into schools for gifted is exactly why I do advocacy, research, program coordination, and teaching. However, this is a protracted fight, especially without a federal mandate to identify, fund, service, etc., in schools.
 
Ant
2013-02-13 10:50:42 AM
Ahh... Fark.com misogyny is alive and well I see. Don't you people ever get tired of being stupid cavemen?
 
2013-02-13 10:51:26 AM
I loved, and was good at, organic chemistry in college, but I can't string together 5 sentences without a grammar or spelling error.
 
2013-02-13 10:53:20 AM

Aidan: I really really really wish schools were oriented toward teaching children, especially higher IQ children, to not only identify what they want to do, but how to achieve it with good, hard work. I think we'd see more tangible results from of our purportedly extra-tasty brains.


Ah, but you see, if you did that then you would be very clearly adjudging some students as being "smarter" or "better" than other students.  This, naturally, is a giant no-no in public education these days...what with the emphasis on self esteem and so on.  It's important that nobody be given the impression that they're not equal with everyone else.  I mean, what would it say to some kids that their best career prospects are in the medical or science fields while some other kids are told they should be baristas whilst they develop their hip hop routine?

Nothing good, I can assure you.
 
2013-02-13 10:59:34 AM

craig328: Ah, but you see, if you did that then you would be very clearly adjudging some students as being "smarter" or "better" than other students.


While this sentiment does exist and is one of the vocal elements within public education which I, being involved in gifted education, disagree with, I never concern myself with "smarter" or "better" but "experiences which are qualitatively different and require services different from the norm". As well, some of the highest performing countries in the world, places which put us to shame, do no grouping of students (though there are numerous other reasons for success of those countries, just thought this was interesting to note).
 
2013-02-13 11:12:35 AM

Vangor: craig328: Ah, but you see, if you did that then you would be very clearly adjudging some students as being "smarter" or "better" than other students.

While this sentiment does exist and is one of the vocal elements within public education which I, being involved in gifted education, disagree with, I never concern myself with "smarter" or "better" but "experiences which are qualitatively different and require services different from the norm". As well, some of the highest performing countries in the world, places which put us to shame, do no grouping of students (though there are numerous other reasons for success of those countries, just thought this was interesting to note).


I used the terms "better" and "smarter" not because that's what the system or teachers would use but what the parents and kids themselves would use.  School is as much a tool for socially acclimatizing kids as it is for educating them.  That is one of the major detractions of being home schooled.  One of my son's better friends was home schooled the past 2 years.  I spoke with his mom the other day when I was picking my son up from his friend's house and asked how it was going.  Turns out they're going to return their boy to public school (for 6th grade) next year solely because he's sorely missing the social interaction with his friends and peers.  His test scores have him well in advance of his cohort who are in public school (apparently quite a bit so) but his mom thinks his social development at this stage is as important as his grades.

I bring that all up because it is all about socializing for some kids and parents.  Amongst those who aren't "gifted" it creates a tension when some of their friends are placed into different classes (they call them "accelerated" in my school district) and they discover that separation is on the basis of...well...how smart they are.  By implication it means the kids NOT selected for those classes are "dumb" (a word the kids invariably use) and then the school admins get all touchy about it.  What THAT's resulted in, in my kids' district, is that the requirements for being included in an accelerated program are so watered down as to make it such that nearly anyone who wishes to can be accepted.  I'm told there is also a funding angle so this comes as no surprise...although both influences means that the very point of having an accelerated program and what it imparts to kids participating in it, is diluted.
 
2013-02-13 11:19:13 AM
In other news, some people still think IQ tests are the only relevant measure of ability.


/*cough* Gardner *cough*
 
2013-02-13 11:24:41 AM

craig328: is test scores have him well in advance of his cohort who are in public school (apparently quite a bit so) but his mom thinks his social development at this stage is as important as his grades.


Which is ridiculous to say he is advanced passed his cohort (not meant as a slam to you). His cohort has changed. Age grouping is nonsensical, and thoughtful acceleration leads to better academic, cognitive, social, and emotional outcomes, especially for radical accelerands.

craig328: Amongst those who aren't "gifted" it creates a tension when some of their friends are placed into different classes (they call them "accelerated" in my school district) and they discover that separation is on the basis of...well...how smart they are

. By implication it means the kids NOT selected for those classes are "dumb" (a word the kids invariably use) and then the school admins get all touchy about it.

Because they have turned acceleration from a service model into a program and implemented this terribly. Students know who the "smart" kids are and who the "dumb" kids are in a homogeneous classroom setting, reinforced by ineffectual or ill-informed teachers. To not accelerate a student because of the way others may feel about themselves is a ridiculous failing on behalf of the school or district.

Anyway, not yelling at you, merely get angsty when people bring up the disregard for gifted services, already with dreadfully and historically low priority.
 
2013-02-13 11:31:32 AM
What, no tasting the blubber or free willy jokes yet?
 
2013-02-13 11:32:41 AM

Ant: Ahh... Fark.com misogyny is alive and well I see. Don't you people ever get tired of being stupid cavemen?


To be fair, many of us are very, very intelligent cavemen.
 
2013-02-13 11:34:24 AM

pippi longstocking: I have a large IQ as well, and people never like it when I tell them that there is much difference between you and me, from you and a retard; so you best listen to me.


That's a great line.

=]
 
2013-02-13 12:03:03 PM

Deep Contact: heinrich66: Be nice if one of these geniuses actually did something for a change, instead of sitting in a wheelchair all day lopsided.

They think of things that can't be proven instead of doing something useful.


For someone who's pretty much completely immobilized, Hawking sure is accomplishing more than a lot of full-bodied people do.  His work may not be "useful" yet, but it's about all he can do in his physical condition.
 
2013-02-13 12:08:08 PM
Her IQs don't look that big . . .
 
2013-02-13 12:09:10 PM

craig328: In fact, the high IQ actually hurt me because I never developed study skills until around my 2nd or 3rd year of university.


Yup.
 
2013-02-13 12:13:46 PM
of course her Internet Quotient is higher.  duh.
 
2013-02-13 12:17:26 PM

Aidan: craig328: The point I'm making is: a high IQ is nothing more than a tool. In order to do something with it you have to have the motivation to do so and the discipline and training to make use of it effectively. Edison is credited with saying that invention is 1% inspiration and 99% perspiration. For those with high IQs, the formula may be not quite as unbalanced as that...but it's still weighted way heavily toward the "sweating" end of the spectrum. Good for this girl and her raw brain talent. Now, go learn to put it to good use.

A whole lot of this. In fact without looking at the rest of this thread, I can guess that many others have made the same point. I remember from previous threads that there are at least a dozen (closer to two dozen) Farkers who scored high on IQ tests or were in advanced education (myself included) who've gone on to do... Not much. A lot of programming/office types as I recall.

I really really really wish schools were oriented toward teaching children, especially higher IQ children, to not only identify what they want to do, but how to achieve it with good, hard work. I think we'd see more tangible results from of our purportedly extra-tasty brains.


I thought Craig328's post was the IQ equivalent of "Gawd, it's hard to be good looking with a huge rack."
 
2013-02-13 12:28:10 PM

docmattic: Aidan: craig328: The point I'm making is: a high IQ is nothing more than a tool. In order to do something with it you have to have the motivation to do so and the discipline and training to make use of it effectively. Edison is credited with saying that invention is 1% inspiration and 99% perspiration. For those with high IQs, the formula may be not quite as unbalanced as that...but it's still weighted way heavily toward the "sweating" end of the spectrum. Good for this girl and her raw brain talent. Now, go learn to put it to good use.

A whole lot of this. In fact without looking at the rest of this thread, I can guess that many others have made the same point. I remember from previous threads that there are at least a dozen (closer to two dozen) Farkers who scored high on IQ tests or were in advanced education (myself included) who've gone on to do... Not much. A lot of programming/office types as I recall.

I really really really wish schools were oriented toward teaching children, especially higher IQ children, to not only identify what they want to do, but how to achieve it with good, hard work. I think we'd see more tangible results from of our purportedly extra-tasty brains.

I thought Craig328's post was the IQ equivalent of "Gawd, it's hard to be good looking with a huge rack."


Which is why as a kid I learned not to mention to people I actually encounter IRL.  Your reaction is more common than not and while it's really nothing more than you expressing some snark and probably envy, it's uncomfortable in person so I avoid saying things that might elicit such.

The story I told is true in all regards so yeah, to you, I probably have the intellectual equivalent of a "huge rack".  Sorry my mentioning it, even with the anonymity the intarwebz provides, made you feel inadequate enough by comparison that you felt compelled to post about it.  I'm sure you likely have many fine qualities that people whom you're around find tolerant enough.
 
2013-02-13 12:32:14 PM

Paka Ono: FloydA: ArkAngel: Lauren, of Loughton, Essex, is the daughter of a black cab driver

This could be part of the reason. Studies of black cab drivers show them to be unusually intelligent, being required to know the areas they drive extremely well. The test they have to pass averages 12 attempts and almost three years of practice.

[i105.photobucket.com image 300x168]
"Look, I don't care if you're green or blue like a carrot! For me the word color doesn't mean anything. I feel colors... but you'd never understand that!"

Loved that movie!


Yeah, Jarmusch is consistently brilliant.
 
2013-02-13 12:45:13 PM

Soulcatcher: pippi longstocking: I have a large IQ as well, and people never like it when I tell them that there is much difference between you and me, from you and a retard; so you best listen to me.

That's a great line.

=]



dvdmedia.ign.com


Rita: You think Einstein walked around thinkin' everyone was a bunch of dumb shiats?   

Joe:Yeah. Hadn't thought of that.

Rita: Now you know why he built that bomb.

As someone with a large IQ, these lines stick with me.
 
2013-02-13 12:50:29 PM
Neither Einstein or Hawking took an IQ test. They didn't believe in their validity.
 
2013-02-13 12:56:23 PM

raatz01: Neither Einstein or Hawking took an IQ test. They didn't believe in their validity.



Also I would point out that the first picture of this girl is a pic of her holding her gigantic IQ test study book.

I was administered an IQ test once.  I didn't get to study beforehand as I am pretty sure most people don't, so that alone basically nullifies the validity of the test in this case.
 
2013-02-13 12:58:09 PM

Gleeman: In other news, some people still think IQ tests are the only relevant measure of ability.


/*cough* Gardner *cough*


Gardner's Theory of Multiple Intelligences, while provocative, is not a supported conception of intelligence and is refuted by g theory and related theories about comparable performance across domains. Domains are useful to recognize and note aptitudes in, but multiple intelligences posits discrete ways to be intelligent which is flawed. Further, modern intelligence theorists recognize intelligence is quite multifaceted, with modern intelligence instruments providing a measure of some facets. Multiple intelligences has received widespread adoption throughout education in the way learning styles have, but the sad fact is those are both an overrigid and formal structure to bring a measure of authority to the idea there are numerous ways to process information and numerous domains to be able in.
 
2013-02-13 01:10:56 PM

m00: Mutiny32: m00: Mutiny32: But really, for example, I have some stupid high IQ and I had to take college algebra over a few times just to get a passing grade.

FizixJunkee: As usual, Pocket Ninja is right on the money.

Except I didn't want to mention it because I would sound like I was being smug about it. I mentioned it was because I simply have first-hand experience in the point I was trying to make.

Also, I was meta-trolling.

But you actually have a "stupid high IQ" right?


Perhaps.
 
2013-02-13 01:11:41 PM
raatz01    Neither Einstein or Hawking took an IQ test. They didn't believe in their validity.

While I know Hawking has dismissed the usefulness (not validity), not sure I've read Einstein on what was a burgeoning field.

Pochas  Also I would point out that the first picture of this girl is a pic of her holding her gigantic IQ test study book.

As much as logic puzzles, sudoku, etc., could be said to be IQ test study materials, sure. This does not help one study for a particular test or battery of tests but supposedly help develop spatial awareness, pattern recognition, etc.. If the claims made by the materials is true, this would increase your IQ, but I have not been terribly satisfied with the materials I have seen. Real tasks, tasks which one struggles with, connecting experiences, etc., are what will develop whereas IQ Gym and the like will simply be a minor part in an intellectually stimulating environment over a long period of time.

/wtf happened with my formatting?
 
2013-02-13 01:19:28 PM
ITT, a DSW over who has the highest IQ.   Also ITT, all these "smart people" failing to point out that their massive brains are on hold for most of their lives whilst they flip burgers for a living, if they're not just living in mommy's basement
 
2013-02-13 01:20:52 PM

Vangor: raatz01    Neither Einstein or Hawking took an IQ test. They didn't believe in their validity.

While I know Hawking has dismissed the usefulness (not validity), not sure I've read Einstein on what was a burgeoning field.

Pochas  Also I would point out that the first picture of this girl is a pic of her holding her gigantic IQ test study book.

As much as logic puzzles, sudoku, etc., could be said to be IQ test study materials, sure. This does not help one study for a particular test or battery of tests but supposedly help develop spatial awareness, pattern recognition, etc.. If the claims made by the materials is true, this would increase your IQ, but I have not been terribly satisfied with the materials I have seen. Real tasks, tasks which one struggles with, connecting experiences, etc., are what will develop whereas IQ Gym and the like will simply be a minor part in an intellectually stimulating environment over a long period of time.

/wtf happened with my formatting?


In the IQ test I took there were very specific puzzles that look like the pictures on the cover of her book.  I had never even solved one such puzzle before.  If I had, or more importantly if you know the strategy involved in solving them they are trivially easy.
 
2013-02-13 01:34:31 PM

Pochas: In the IQ test I took there were very specific puzzles that look like the pictures on the cover of her book.  I had never even solved one such puzzle before.  If I had, or more importantly if you know the strategy involved in solving them they are trivially easy.


Any notion of the name of the instrument? While there is a semblance between the items on the cover and some items on, say, the Naglieri, those are patterning tasks of which the only strategy is to locate a pattern as the direction, distance, variation, etc., of the patterns are novel. But as IQ is developmental, training in those tasks will increase your ability to solve those tasks which will increase IQ, and this is not cheating anymore than having an affluent household with intellectual stimulation is cheating. Perhaps one could solve patterning tasks easier, but this is because you are better developed in patterning tasks, not because you studied a list of patterns.

Now, I am not doubting some experience with them will help on certain sections of certain instruments, but rather this notion of a couple of those booklets meaning intelligence instruments are trivial is made from the point of view which has generally taken a single instrument not necessarily administered by a trained individual.
 
2013-02-13 01:43:15 PM
"I love living in Essex and I'm glad that I might be able to show people that we aren't all ditzy and blonde."


Well, some people who are ditzy are brunettes, so I guess she showed them alright.
 
2013-02-13 01:46:48 PM

Pochas: raatz01: Neither Einstein or Hawking took an IQ test. They didn't believe in their validity.


Also I would point out that the first picture of this girl is a pic of her holding her gigantic IQ test study book.

I was administered an IQ test once.

i105.photobucket.com

Once!
 
2013-02-13 02:03:08 PM
Anyone who can be described as "ditzy" is not smarter than Albert Einstein or Robo-Hawkins.  If anything this just demonstrates the inefficiency of IQ tests..
 
2013-02-13 02:23:02 PM

FizixJunkee: craig328: In fact, the high IQ actually hurt me because I never developed study skills until around my 2nd or 3rd year of university.

Yup.


Exactly how I lost a free-ride academics scholarship and flunked outta college.  I had no clue what I was doing.

*Sigh*  Brain the size of a planet, and now they want me to fasten two pieces of metal together.
 
2013-02-13 02:25:59 PM

g4lt: ITT, a DSW over who has the highest IQ.   Also ITT, all these "smart people" failing to point out that their massive brains are on hold for most of their lives whilst they flip burgers for a living, if they're not just living in mommy's basement


ITT, sad middle managers, promoted only because it was less paperwork than firing them, come in here and lament the fact that even the 18 year old interns laugh at him daily for being such a useless, middle age farkup.

/odds are I'm hitting closer to home than you are
 
2013-02-13 02:32:58 PM

Spaced Cowboy: g4lt: ITT, a DSW over who has the highest IQ.   Also ITT, all these "smart people" failing to point out that their massive brains are on hold for most of their lives whilst they flip burgers for a living, if they're not just living in mommy's basement

ITT, sad middle managers, promoted only because it was less paperwork than firing them, come in here and lament the fact that even the 18 year old interns laugh at him daily for being such a useless, middle age farkup.

/odds are I'm hitting closer to home than you are


Snap somebody call the burn ward.
 
2013-02-13 02:49:58 PM
CSB:

When I was a youngster living in the rural South in the mid-70s, I discovered that enjoying geeky pursuits like reading science fiction was asking for an asskicking. Because of parental circumstances (abusive stepdad, a mom who drank), my homelife was fairly miserable, and because we moved so much during my childhood, I never got to make any real friends.  Plus, I had the extra fun of growing up gay in a small town, which was as much fun as you might think.

I discovered Mensa when I was in high school, and after taking the self-test and then a proctored test at the local library, I joined. I thought, "Eureka! (you can see why I was getting the asskickings), I have found a group that will accept me and that will not make me feel like an outcast."

Except:
A-I was a geeky teenager and the Mensans were a bunch of sadsack old people.
B-Instead of indulging in fun activities like 3-D chess or word games, Mensans spent most of their time moaning about how nobody appreciated them and how superior they were to the normals.

Luckily, once I went to college, I discovered friends and the gym, and managed to bloom into a fairly outgoing person. And now in 2013 we have the Internet, so there's no need to pay an annual membership fee to hang out with whiny, high-IQ losers, when I can do that on Fark for free! (I kid, I kid)
 
2013-02-13 03:32:54 PM
That's like saying 'High school kid taller than Michael Jordan'.
 
2013-02-13 04:00:15 PM

KellyKellyKelly: "Cute" and Sun link?  Seems suspicious...

*click*

...OK, I'll accept it.


Yeah, I know. I wish it was consistent, so I would know never to click on these.  But this one is really pretty, so I am all confused.
 
2013-02-13 04:00:24 PM
No disrespect but isn't Mensa a social and/or sex club? I mean are we seriously comparing Trillian to Davros?
 
2013-02-13 04:20:45 PM

Pochas: Spaced Cowboy: g4lt: ITT, a DSW over who has the highest IQ.   Also ITT, all these "smart people" failing to point out that their massive brains are on hold for most of their lives whilst they flip burgers for a living, if they're not just living in mommy's basement

ITT, sad middle managers, promoted only because it was less paperwork than firing them, come in here and lament the fact that even the 18 year old interns laugh at him daily for being such a useless, middle age farkup.

/odds are I'm hitting closer to home than you are

Snap somebody call the burn ward.


Glad to see that "free wifi" is working out for you two, now GBTW, those burgers won't flip themselves...
 
2013-02-13 04:21:39 PM
Wanna know how I know you all are nerds?

Nobody noticed this story at the bottom (NSFW)

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4790201/Carnival-cracker-g iv es-a-whole-new-meaning-to-Brazilian.html
 
2013-02-13 04:26:46 PM

Ant: Ahh... Fark.com misogyny is alive and well I see. Don't you people ever get tired of being stupid cavemen?


It's not like anyone's posted:

Cute blonde high school girl has a bigger  IQ chest than Einstein and Hawkinsg.
/ftfy
 
2013-02-13 04:51:16 PM

g4lt: Pochas: Spaced Cowboy: g4lt: ITT, a DSW over who has the highest IQ.   Also ITT, all these "smart people" failing to point out that their massive brains are on hold for most of their lives whilst they flip burgers for a living, if they're not just living in mommy's basement

ITT, sad middle managers, promoted only because it was less paperwork than firing them, come in here and lament the fact that even the 18 year old interns laugh at him daily for being such a useless, middle age farkup.

/odds are I'm hitting closer to home than you are

Snap somebody call the burn ward.

Glad to see that "free wifi" is working out for you two, now GBTW, those burgers won't flip themselves...


Yep, middle management material through and through.  Random air quotes around words that don't need them, a noticeable lack of wit when responding to others and baseless assumptions about the people around him that attempt to mask his numerous failures.

Pretty sure I worked for someone like you...  20 years ago when I was a teen bagging groceries and still had to put up with double digit IQ bosses.
 
2013-02-13 04:53:52 PM

m00: Can one of the high-IQ geniuses on this thread give me a quantitative definition of "Intelligence"?


It's the quantity measured by an intelligence test. Duh.

But in all seriousness, all the people saying their IQ's are 160, or 180, or 210, are full of the brown stuff. The Mensa cutoff is 98%. After about 99%, you measure in 9's, not in the raw numerical score of the test. So for example, Intertel is two 9's (99%), ISPE is three 9's (99.9%), and it goes all the way up to Mega which is six 9's (99.9999%).

Anyone who claims an IQ over two 9's and has not been evaluated by a psychologist is full of BS. Stanford-Binet etc do not work in those ranges.
 
2013-02-13 05:10:13 PM

g4lt: Pochas: Spaced Cowboy: g4lt: ITT, a DSW over who has the highest IQ.   Also ITT, all these "smart people" failing to point out that their massive brains are on hold for most of their lives whilst they flip burgers for a living, if they're not just living in mommy's basement

ITT, sad middle managers, promoted only because it was less paperwork than firing them, come in here and lament the fact that even the 18 year old interns laugh at him daily for being such a useless, middle age farkup.

/odds are I'm hitting closer to home than you are

Snap somebody call the burn ward.

Glad to see that "free wifi" is working out for you two, now GBTW, those burgers won't flip themselves...



Lol I am a research scientist, wtf do you do all day?  "Supervise" some spreadsheet drones?  You aren't even on my level.
 
2013-02-13 05:23:57 PM
Further proof that IQ tests aren't a very good assessment of intelligence.
 
2013-02-13 05:47:10 PM
Call me when she works out dark energy, dark matter or unites GM with QM. Until then, the geniuses are Hawking and Einstein.
 
2013-02-13 05:53:28 PM

waffle299: Call me when she works out dark energy, dark matter or unites GM with QM. Until then, the geniuses are Hawking and Einstein.


To be fair neither of them have either.
 
2013-02-13 06:32:10 PM

revrendjim: IQ scores become less valid as they get farther from the mean, simply because a lucky guess on one question can have a large effect. Once you are getting scores above about three standard deviations (145) all you can say with certainty is that the person probably has an IQ greater than 145. To give a precise numerical value is meaningless. Of course a highly intelligent person would know that.


I was wondering why someone like Einstein or Hawkins would only score 160.
 
2013-02-13 06:33:27 PM

kg2095: revrendjim: IQ scores become less valid as they get farther from the mean, simply because a lucky guess on one question can have a large effect. Once you are getting scores above about three standard deviations (145) all you can say with certainty is that the person probably has an IQ greater than 145. To give a precise numerical value is meaningless. Of course a highly intelligent person would know that.

I was wondering why someone like Einstein or Hawkins would only score 160.


And not forgetting Hawking as well. It's no fun getting old...
 
2013-02-13 06:35:56 PM

mephisto_kur: "everybody before me had got around the 130 mark"

Invalid test.


Yep, that sounds very strange. Very few people would score as high as 130.
 
2013-02-13 08:21:49 PM
the mensa test is heavily skewed towards memory and is inaccurate over 097.
its a club for intellectuals, not intelligent people.
 
2013-02-13 09:18:58 PM
I've never had an IQ test, and I wonder how I'd score.  I figure either I've done pretty well for an average guy, or I've squandered a moderately high intelligence.
 
2013-02-13 09:43:39 PM

Pochas: g4lt: Pochas: Spaced Cowboy: g4lt: ITT, a DSW over who has the highest IQ.   Also ITT, all these "smart people" failing to point out that their massive brains are on hold for most of their lives whilst they flip burgers for a living, if they're not just living in mommy's basement

ITT, sad middle managers, promoted only because it was less paperwork than firing them, come in here and lament the fact that even the 18 year old interns laugh at him daily for being such a useless, middle age farkup.

/odds are I'm hitting closer to home than you are

Snap somebody call the burn ward.

Glad to see that "free wifi" is working out for you two, now GBTW, those burgers won't flip themselves...


Lol I am a research scientist, wtf do you do all day?  "Supervise" some spreadsheet drones?  You aren't even on my level.


Yanno, this is like comedy found gold  Seriously,

i645.photobucket.com

I don't know precisely WHAT I did to rile you and your sock-puppeteer up, but I'll sure as hell take credit for it, because apparently it hit really close to home.  Either way, it's clear that you have a major problem with your life, because normal happy people don't respond to this kind of snark with that amount of butthurt.  I mean, I was a "research scientist" once too, when I was fifteen.  I just happened to not particularly think that my life was cut out for doing fish counts and harvesting roe.  So you can put that thing away, we really don't need to take a tape measure to it, we'll take your farking word for it.  Yes, your ePeen is six whole inches, sure, we'll allow you that claim.  In this life, you can either talk the talk or walk the walk, and guess what you're doing.  Me?  I just laughed at all you all waving around those ePeens like they were something worth caring about.  HINT: They're not.
 
2013-02-13 10:14:28 PM

g4lt: Pochas: g4lt: Pochas: Spaced Cowboy: g4lt: ITT, a DSW over who has the highest IQ.   Also ITT, all these "smart people" failing to point out that their massive brains are on hold for most of their lives whilst they flip burgers for a living, if they're not just living in mommy's basement

ITT, sad middle managers, promoted only because it was less paperwork than firing them, come in here and lament the fact that even the 18 year old interns laugh at him daily for being such a useless, middle age farkup.

/odds are I'm hitting closer to home than you are

Snap somebody call the burn ward.

Glad to see that "free wifi" is working out for you two, now GBTW, those burgers won't flip themselves...


Lol I am a research scientist, wtf do you do all day?  "Supervise" some spreadsheet drones?  You aren't even on my level.

Yanno, this is like comedy found gold  Seriously,

[i645.photobucket.com image 400x398]

I don't know precisely WHAT I did to rile you and your sock-puppeteer up, but I'll sure as hell take credit for it, because apparently it hit really close to home.  Either way, it's clear that you have a major problem with your life, because normal happy people don't respond to this kind of snark with that amount of butthurt.  I mean, I was a "research scientist" once too, when I was fifteen.  I just happened to not particularly think that my life was cut out for doing fish counts and harvesting roe.  So you can put that thing away, we really don't need to take a tape measure to it, we'll take your farking word for it.  Yes, your ePeen is six whole inches, sure, we'll allow you that claim.  In this life, you can either talk the talk or walk the walk, and guess what you're doing.  Me?  I just laughed at all you all waving around those ePeens like they were something worth caring about.  HINT: They're not.


I made it 2, maybe 3 lines into that hot mess.  That's a huge wall of mad for a dude that claims not to be mad.

farm4.staticflickr.com
 
2013-02-13 10:26:21 PM

sethen320: Who the fark is Hawkins?


Came here to say this. Subs is stupid.
 
2013-02-14 06:42:57 AM
I`m smarter than all of you. You all have a job I value less than my own. My life is more valid than yours. Your claims to intelligence are invalid because your mental strengths are not the same as mine. You have all wasted your potential and I have fulfilled my own. IQ tests are not valid because I cannot do them. I could have been in mensa but I am too smart to join. I don`t care anyway.

Now either get back into your moms basement or go do your menial day job because I am dismissing you in a patronising manner.
 
2013-02-14 10:21:37 AM

dready zim: I`m smarter than all of you. You all have a job I value less than my own. My life is more valid than yours. Your claims to intelligence are invalid because your mental strengths are not the same as mine. You have all wasted your potential and I have fulfilled my own. IQ tests are not valid because I cannot do them. I could have been in mensa but I am too smart to join. I don`t care anyway.

Now either get back into your moms basement or go do your menial day job because I am dismissing you in a patronising manner.


3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-02-14 05:55:32 PM

workaholicandy: mephisto_kur: "everybody before me had got around the 130 mark"

Invalid test.

Why? she studying A-levels so all her class mates are already in the top 1/3 of the population for their age, and the article doesn't mention if she is in an advanced class or not, so quite possibly they are all grouped in a higher subset of that 1/3


130 puts you in the top 5% of the population, not the top 30%.  No one would dispute that she may be in some sort of advanced placement course load.  What is disputed is the validity of a test that puts a significant number of people in the top 5%, no matter the setting.  You won't find a large population of 130+ even at the highest of Ivy League schools.
 
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