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(KNBC 4 Los Angeles) NewsFlash Possible sighting of cop-killer Chris Dorner, shots fired in Big Bear and Highway 38 closed in area for manhunt (link goes to live coverage)   ( nbclosangeles.com) divider line
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2013-02-12 05:02:05 PM  
11 votes:
There's no way to justify taking someone's life, in particular a girl and fiancee who had nothing to do with his situation.

All that being said, LAPD's reaction, in particular the shooting of the blue pickup truck, have done nothing but validate his position. It seems unlikely that someone without mental illness of some kind could commit the crimes that he has, but whatever mental illness he's suffering from he still seems completely lucid. There's nothing unreasonable in his manifesto, and the constant citing of sources and references enhance his credibility.

It seems to be a foregone conclusion that he's going to be killed not apprehended, I just hope this situation shines a VERY bright light on the LAPD. When I first read the story and then the manifesto it all seemed relatively reasonable, but seeing how the LAPD has reacted since then has convinced me there's something rotten going on.

Hopefully it's resolved without further loss of life, but I'm not holding my breath.
2013-02-12 05:33:26 PM  
9 votes:

natgod: where the hell did the LAPD get 1 million spare dollars to give out for information leading to dorner?  aren't they always short on cash and cops?  would people not turn dorner in for like 10k or, you know, free?


The bounty is a lie. $1 million for information leading to Dorner's arrest.

He's not going to be arrested
2013-02-12 04:53:17 PM  
8 votes:
Calling it right now that the two cops shot were hit by friendly fire.
2013-02-12 04:49:26 PM  
8 votes:
A couple of dead officers isn't going to make up for what major asses the LAPD are making of themselves during all this....they've shot up a lot of innocent people without warning because they were driving the same color vehicle, or happened to be in an area related to said killer, or for whatever the fark reason.  And they're refusing to take responsibility for any of it.  They've got a million dollar bounty at, drones searching the hills, people are getting their doors kicked in without warning and searched, etc.

It's clear at this point that no one matters to the LAPD but the LAPD.  I hope he keeps evading them so the LAPD will mow a bunch of unarmed helpless civilians to show people who the REAL monster is here.
2013-02-12 04:48:02 PM  
8 votes:
I know this guy is a murderer and everything, but...

I kinda like him.
2013-02-12 05:06:47 PM  
7 votes:
I hope the woman that was held hostage and managed to call 911 gets the million dollar reward.
2013-02-12 05:00:57 PM  
7 votes:
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2013-02-12 04:49:37 PM  
7 votes:

doczoidberg: I know this guy is a murderer and everything, but...

I kinda like him.


If his first two kills had been his training officer and the lawyer, as opposed to the lawyer's kid and her fiancee, he might be electable in certain parts of Cali right now.
2013-02-12 04:47:48 PM  
7 votes:
As a coworker pointed out:  "They have officers from multiple agencies up there carrying around rifles and looking for Dorner.  Watch this be officer from one agency sees a black officer from another and starts a firefight."
2013-02-13 12:14:15 AM  
6 votes:
Apparently, The LAPD just executed  someone, without due process, and without reason, since they knew they had whoever it was (they weren't totally sure who!) in a position they could not escape from.

if that's not evidence of Dorner's claims I don't know what is: when police don't give suspected criminals due process, they are directly pissing on our country for the sake of protecting their own. Any mafioso can claim the same. ANY of us can be a "suspect", it takes one false statement under your name, and you're  toast. Doesn't matter how likely it is, it's still anarchy, and chicken shiat, to boot.

That is all. I've got a sad, that adds to the sad I already had. Sure, it's all farked up - but the beginning of the end for the purple line (blue for the cop, red for the blood)? Not if some of you here today had it your way. The gun nuts especially like shooting first, and asking questions later i've noticed.. their blood's not worthy to water anything, especially liberty.

Expect nothing to get solved, expect a media afraid to challenge the police, expect nothing. Because it would get in the way of the legal high of being a tyrant these cops are plainly addicted to.
2013-02-12 10:58:45 PM  
6 votes:

Bontesla: So what's the over/under on the body's dental records NOT being a match for Dorner's?


I absolutely guarantee the dental records will be declared a match, whether they do or not.
2013-02-13 11:57:10 AM  
5 votes:
I like how they found Dorner's wallet twice.

http://articles.latimes.com/2013/feb/11/local/la-me-dorner-charges-2 01 30212

"After authorities interviewed the boat captain early Thursday, they found Dorner's wallet and identification cards "at the San Ysidro Point of Entry" near the U.S.-Mexico border, according to the court records. That same day, a guard at the Point Loma Naval Base told authorities he had spotted a man matching Dorner's description trying to sneak onto the base, according to the filing."

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/02/12/christopher-dor ne r-ex-cop-los-angeles-mexico/1912553/

"The San Bernardino County Sheriff's Office said charred human remains were found in the rubble where Christopher Dorner is said to have been cornered Tuesday. "We have reason to believe that it is him," sheriff's spokeswoman Cynthia Bachman said. A wallet with a California driver's license bearing the name Christopher Dorner also was found, the Associated Press reported, citing a law enforcement official who was briefed on the investigation but declined to be named because of the ongoing probe."

What kind of crazy fireproof material must that self-cloning wallet be made of?
2013-02-13 01:28:44 AM  
5 votes:

Coelacanth: Local news is reporting that the cops didn't find Dorner's body in that burned out cabin.


TFA says it's still too hot (i.e. burning hot coals) so they haven't gone in there and scraped out the charred body yet.

My guess is the dust will settle like this:

It will be found that Dorner did not, in fact, shoot anybody in this confrontation and that the "hostage situation" earlier was made-up.  His body will be recovered from the cabin riddled with bullets and time of death will be placed well before the fire started, but cause of death will be listed as "smoke inhalation." There will be poorly-suppressed evidence that he attempted to surrender and was shot for his troubles. The fire will be blamed on suicide, then an ammunition explosion, then on the idea that the flash of gunpowder from him shooting somehow started a blaze. The police involved will be decorated as heroes.  A wrongful death suit by surviving family members will prove that the fire was caused by an armored vehicle plowing through the fireplace specifically after one of the higher-ups gave the order, "Smoke 'im out."

We won't pay attention to the SOTU address.
2013-02-13 12:44:31 AM  
5 votes:

homelessdude: "We're planning for a long night"


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no they werent

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCdqybEfy9w&feature=youtu.be

"we're going to go forward with the plan, with the burners, like we talked about"
"deploy the burners, fark it, burn it down"
"burners deployed, we have a fire"

These LAPD officers are murderers, and they aren't even trying to hide it. Murderers hunting murderers... there's a reason when people hunt down the LAPD, the rest of the country cheers.

Due process in LA means the cops will shoot six or seven people while hunting you, then torch you alive... if these farkers don't end up in jail, then I'll be the first to publicly cheer for whoever kills them.
2013-02-12 07:10:09 PM  
5 votes:
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2013-02-12 06:58:31 PM  
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2013-02-12 05:22:47 PM  
5 votes:

Felgraf: Hrist: It's clear at this point that no one matters to the LAPD but the LAPD. I hope he keeps evading them so the LAPD will mow a bunch of unarmed helpless civilians to show people who the REAL monster is here.

Uh, I'm pretty sure they're both monsters.

You know, what with his murder of a girl and her fiance soley due to their relation to a police officer he was pissed at.

/No, he hasn't admitted it.
//He just called the officer out by name in his manifesto, and stated he'd be killing the families of officers.
///Yes, the LAPD sucks and their handling of this is monstrous also.


Don't get me wrong, the guy is a huge dick.  But he is also right.  The LAPD is a bunch of corrupt dicks.  Corrupt dicks that can shoot you in the back of the head while you're handcuffed in the back of the squad car and have it called a suicide.  Corrupt dicks that can have you charged with murder because they kicked your door in and shot your two year old in the face, reasoning that if you hadn't lived at that address, they wouldn't have shot a child in the face when they got your address confused with that of a drug dealer.  Corrupt dicks that can beat you to death on live TV while you're unconscious on the ground and get away with it because they are judge jury and executioner.

I would trust this killer over the LAPD any day.  He only has what power he can take and inflict on others, but the LAPD has pretty much all the power they want.  It's like saying sure, Luke Skywalker is dangerous and kills Imperial troops for fun and profit, but in the end it's the Empire that's more likely to kill you or otherwise ruin your life.  Skywalker can only shoot you or run you through with a lightsaber, but the Empire can send you to the spice mines because you look funny.
2013-02-12 04:54:00 PM  
5 votes:
He's just exercising his second amendment rights against a corrupt government, what's the problem?
2013-02-13 11:48:34 AM  
4 votes:
from the timeline- - 2:20 a.m., Thursday, Feb. 7: A shuttle bus driver turns in a wallet with an LAPD badge and a picture ID of Dorner to San Diego police. The wallet was found fewer than five miles from the boat, near San Diego International Airport.

,,,aaannnnnd they found it again, next to his charred remains...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/13/christopher-dorner-drivers- li cense-id-cabin-_n_2677590.html
2013-02-13 06:13:44 AM  
4 votes:
turp119
Wow they are already getting screwy with the details. No mention of them starting the fire after putting a hole in the first wall, or that them hearing a shot was well after they were waiting for him to run out the back after the other 3 walls were burning...on a side note, who's blood spatter was it they saw after the first hole?


You really expect the lapd to be honest with details.  They made sure that the media did not film the unpowered, unheated cabin, even with questionable cell coverage, because he might be watching the moves on tv.

They wanted the media not to know what exactly happened so they could create their own version.

/Suprised encrypted radios were not used.
2013-02-13 04:32:22 AM  
4 votes:
What I wanna know is:  How come so many cops are using military-style weapons against a single shooter with a semi-auto?

The militarization of the police should be something EVERYONE is concerned about...not just the dumbshiat in the cabin.
2013-02-13 12:23:01 AM  
4 votes:
Also, trolling aside, KTLA just went on a little rambling aside about how they're camped out at Dorner's mom's house and she keeps calling the cops every time they knock on her door, so the cops have told them to leave her alone, so they just want to make super sure she knows that when she's ready to talk, they'll be there to interview her. Then they repeated it, to make sure she got it.

Seriously, the cops probably just charbroiled her son. Let her sleep on it, for crying out loud.
2013-02-13 12:01:42 AM  
4 votes:

fredklein: Now the LAPD is saying "no body" has been removed. They just can't tell the truth, can they?


well, the fog of war created much confusion in the short term.
1 person thinks there was a body, tells someone that, they repeat it, it gets on the news, now everyone thinks there was a body l.. etc etc etc

I love that the cops think that dorner should "just" give himself up.
yah
about that
even if he wasnt planning on a death by cop, is there anyway in the universe that he COULD surrender and not be beaten to death once he was in custody?
A proper solution would be a jurisdictional solution. He gives himself up to federal custody and they take him to DC.
There is no way in the universe that he could get a fair trial in CA. There is no way in the universe that he could be safe in police custody in CA.
2013-02-12 10:47:46 PM  
4 votes:

Popcorn Johnny: Zeno-25: LAPD had an obligation to wait this guy out and bring him to trial.

For all we know at this point, Dorner is responsible for the fire.


The cops appear to be on tape screaming "BURN IT DOWN! BURN THE MOTHERFARKER DOWN!", so that's seeming doubtful.
2013-02-12 10:46:29 PM  
4 votes:

adamatari: So, just so I'm straight on this...  "Tear gas" is code for "burn the place down", right?


No, "burn the farker down" is code for "burn the farker down".
m00
2013-02-12 10:17:03 PM  
4 votes:

Canned Tamales: Well, biggest problem I see is this: constitution was written to operate as a unit. It's a piece of legal machinery. We've been violating most of it for at least a century. For example, we're not supposed to have standing armies. The Vice President is supposed to be the runner-up in the presidential election. Congress is supposed to be the one to declare war. The whole concept of precedent and judicial review was an invention after the constitution was written.

Here's the biggest one: Any power not explicitly granted to Federal Government by the Constitution should be reserved for the States.

I'm generally pro-2nd amendment, and I recognize the founders envisioned "well regulated militia" to mean specifically "everybody over the age of 18 and wants to own a gun." But that was a time of personal responsibility, where you didn't sue a University because they gave your snowflake a C. This was a world without a militarized police force; without an FBI, CIA, TSA, NSA, Homeland Security, and so forth. No SWAT teams. You could buy any drug over the counter, and it was your responsibility to use it responsibly. Unfortunately it was also a world with Slavery and lynch mobs and hangin' for stealing a horse, and completely corrupt local politics, and yellow journalism. The States also held the Federal Government hostage in a lot of different ways, and state legislators had as much, or more, power than Congressional Senators.

At this point, I think we just need another Constitutional Congr ...

You make some good observations(lack or presidential war powers is the biggie for me....he just should not have them, period), but I don't see how people are any better off with a weak bill of rights.

And yes, I am a 1st amendment fanatic (only shouting "fire", fraud by deception, and starting a riot should be illegal). I am also a 4th amendment stickler, we give way too much power to police.

I don't see how society is made any better or safer by weakening any of them.


Well... we've already given too much power to police and government, and allowed ourselves as a country to be institutionalized. Gun ownership works when everyone grows up in a household that has guns, and is taught to respect them from the age of 5, and view them as a tool just like any other. Pa has a shotgun above the fireplace, and if you touch it without his permission you get a whupin'. It's not a toy. But I would say handling a circular saw in 2013 is pretty dangerous. But you don't see kids fooling around with circular saws, because kids know it's not a toy. Our culture is broken. Kids used to have erector sets, and play with electricity with model trains, and have chemistry sets. I had a chemistry set as a kid. Could you imagine giving a kid today a chemistry set and saying "have fun Billy, try not to burn yourself." Social Services would take the kid away!

Now back during the time the Constitution was written, people used to be responsible for their own safety -- against everything from bears, to Indians, to crazed lunatics. The age of consent in many of the colonies back then was 9. NINE! At nine, you were responsible for getting yourself into/out-of sexual situations. Imagine that. But I guess at 9 you also had to defend the homestead against bear and Indian attacks if you were a boy, and as a girl you probably had a job working on the family farm. (Compare to now where people in their 20s are still children). Police were there to either keep the peace in a city, or track down high-profile murderers and bandits. As evidenced by the "snowflake meme," it's pretty clear the US is filled with completely irresponsible people who think others should take care of them. This doesn't just pertain to gun ownership -- this is everything in society, right? The 4th has been weakened because by-and-large people (who already have been conditioned to expect someone else to take care of them) require the police to catch every criminal, solve every property crime. In Jefferson's time, the prevailing wisdom was that it's better to let 100 criminals go free than convict 1 innocent man. Fast-forward to today where politicians get elected for being "tough on crime." People have chosen security over liberty, and specifically a police state with "no" crime (really the illusion of security) over a free state. This isn't my choice, I think it's clearly the wrong path. But convincing Congress to pass a law, or a judge to making a ruling, isn't going to change minds.

So I think preserving the Bill of Rights in general cannot be won in the courts. It has to be won via a popular cultural revolution -- and we've had two recently which is OWS and the Tea Party (which actually had a lot in common, but the media pit them against one another). And a successful revolution to preserve the Bill of Rights has to make accountability and responsibility and freedom paramount concepts. Unfortunately, the media is no longer an independent check-and-balance on government; it is a mouthpiece for the official line. Our media is owned by large multinational corporations (I think 7 own pretty much all news outlets). These corporations lobby government to increase their own power, and have their own agenda which does not involve government being smaller. Obviously corporations want bigger government, because they are really good at lobbying. More government power = more corporate power (this is where OWS and Tea Party intersect).  But you can't change minds via law, and you can only change law after you have changed minds.

To draw a parallel here, you know how women can't drive in Saudi Arabia? The Monarchy is pretty liberal (most are western educated)... the problem is that 70% of Saudis support women not driving. So clearly Saudi women also feel this way. So if the Monarchy did the right thing and made a law allowing women to drive, the government would cease to represent the people and there would be actual revolt and discontent against the government. So if you are pushing for women's rights in Saudi Arabia, it's not about convincing the Monarchy -- they are convinced. It's about convincing everyday people and getting that 70% down below 50%.

Likewise in the US, if we want to still have a 2nd amendment in 50 years, we need to create a culture of personal responsibility and deliberately make the choice of freedom over security. Criminals might go free, and children might have to take care of elderly parents out of their own pocket, and if you slip on a wet floor at Walmart then too bad. But unless society is collectively willing to do this, nothing in the Bill of Rights is going to matter because nobody will support the application of its concepts.
2013-02-12 10:12:55 PM  
4 votes:

Canned Tamales: You make some good observations(lack or presidential war powers is the biggie for me....he just should not have them, period), but I don't see how people are any better off with a weak bill of rights.


He is still missing some of the key fundamentals for the constitution in the first place.

Our founders had a noble goal, to do their best to protect the people from tyrrany.  They knew a standing army was historically a bad thing, but knew that it may become necessary.  That is a large part of why they included the second amendment(and indeed, many of the others).  The debates at the time clearly illustrate that they themselves didn't trust government to remain as noble as they themselves tried to be.

The standing armies, in addition to the police and swat, etc, are all the more reason to not disallow citizens to possess arms of their own, according to our founders findings in studying history.  People that are physically powerless are easily stepped over, and then on,  by a tyrant.  That was the message of the day, the message of history, and indeed, still relevant in modern times.

The same goes for education.  It is a wonder, a WONDER, I say, that these people do not cry for a reduction in education for all, because the few can do abhorrent things with it and that just shouldn't happen.  That is the exact same reasoning, and again, in the past it has proven effective at keeping the people powerless.

Keep them dumb and weak.  Those are the first and foremost short term goals of anyone seeking to gain or maintain power.

Now, to counter ahead of time.  I am not crying impending doom from tyrants.  Obama isn't going to grow horns and enslave us.  But historically it does happen.  Even today around the globe some tyranical nutjob is trying to wipe out or enslave people based on their religion or bloodlines.

That people have turned government into a religion-like entity that they put unwavering faith in, is a sad facet of modern humanity.  They have buried their heads in the sand and live in fantasies of a utopia where bad stuff just cannot happen.

I think it's another manifestation of "young dumb and full of cum", that typical "it can't happen to me, that only happens to other people" phase that most kids go through, it's just that more and more people don't grow out of it, it becomes a perpetual condition on par with any other delusion.

The same kind of thinking that leads 15 year old kids to things like unwanted pregnancies, STD's, drinking alcohol so fast they kill themselves, speeding while texting and end up running over some kid when they lose control. etc.

"Government not protecting me?  Unpossible1!!11!"

Some people just never grow up.
2013-02-12 08:53:12 PM  
4 votes:
I was on Reddit and got downvoted -50 karma points for saying Chuck Norris is in the burning cabin
I am at home here on Fark. Where I can make insensitive comments and be applauded for it.
2013-02-12 07:24:42 PM  
4 votes:
I don't know why I don't feel good about this.  I am saddened by a deputy whose family has to grieve, now the worst day of their lives.  But this Dorner guy is a symptom of a greater problem with law enforcement perception.  This just sucks, and I can't feel happy about any of it.
2013-02-12 06:45:51 PM  
4 votes:
In today's news:


Barack to speak in a big hall
Pope quits, he's done with it all
Dorner's pinned and we are glad
Un's a d!ck just like his dad

WE DIDN'T START THE FIRE....
2013-02-12 06:02:17 PM  
4 votes:
Jesus can you mods stop deleting posts, you keep screwing up my clicking to page 15...
2013-02-12 05:52:50 PM  
4 votes:

natgod: where the hell did the LAPD get 1 million spare dollars to give out for information leading to dorner?


It's apparently been raised by "private donations". Which means you apparently can now pay the police to kill someone for you.
2013-02-12 05:41:09 PM  
4 votes:
Fox was talking about Dorner and was interviewing Mark Fuhrman about the situation.

Thats just breath-taking in its irony.
2013-02-12 05:36:34 PM  
4 votes:

kombat_unit: I am referring to Monica Quan


According to all of the internet tough guys/schizophrenic conspiracy theorists on this site, it's either her fault for being born of police sperm, or she was killed in a false flag operation in order to create the pretense to take down the most brilliant man alive who happens to have all the goods on the LAPD.

And yet this incredibly sinister, ruthless, powerful cabal couldn't  plant a tracer on his truck or  keep his manifesto from hitting Wonkette.com.
2013-02-12 05:05:39 PM  
4 votes:
The search is over, Montag is dead; a crime against society has been avenged.
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/props to RB
2013-02-12 04:58:59 PM  
4 votes:
If I were this guy, I wouldn't have stayed in California.  I would have thought: "What is the one place no one would think to look for an armed and crazy killer with a million dollar bounty on his head?"  and then I would have fled to either Sheriff Joe's area of Arizona or Texas.  Why?  No one would think to look for me in places where law enforcement was as extreme as those areas.

Though, with the LAPD showing themselves to be as effective as the cops in 'The Dukes of Hazard', he may live long enough to die of old age in California while racking up the highest body count outside of GTA or Call of Duty, while sending out the message that if you want a successful criminal career, California is the place for you.
2013-02-12 04:56:41 PM  
4 votes:
Dorner's description to the LAPD could be anything. They mistook him for two Asian ladies.,The probably did that blood-hot wire test from The Thing back at the station. Crazy farks probably shot at some innocent truck and hit each other with the crossfire.
2013-02-12 04:56:31 PM  
4 votes:

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abhorrent1: Watching this on CNN. The way they're all acting like military experts is hilarious. "He's an expert at weak-side shooting"!



"but what I can guarantee you, Wolf, is that the DC Sniper is a white man, between 36 and 44 years of age. He's a veteran, either USMC or Army with extensive weapons training. He is employed in a job requiring physical activity. He is married. He likes activities like chess, crossword puzzles, things that stimulate the brain....."
2013-02-12 04:55:53 PM  
4 votes:
probably Donner.. like I said before as much as some here wants him to be some super spy Robin Hood type with mad skillz, very calculative masterful planning and execution, IRL most guys do things with little planning and unlike Hollywood movies where the hero\villian always gets away until the last 5 minutes RL hero/villian are usually caught surprised.

The fact that donner is still in CA instead of sipping magarita in Mexico says a lot. RL is no mission impossible. There is no face mask to wear, no lamborghinis to drive, no beautiful woman to seduce and no fancy electronics to tap or hack.
2013-02-12 04:54:26 PM  
4 votes:
Authorities responded to a report of a couple held hostage in a cabin, according to the San Bernardino County Sheriff's Department. The attacker stole the couple's vehicle.

Kidnapping and theft.  Wow.  What a hero.  But hey, It's those people's fault for being in Big Bear to ski or whatever when the goddamn batman needed to lay low*


*No, dipshiats, the above statement does not indicate an endorsement of the LAPD's tactics, any thin blue line culture, or the militarization of police departments across the country.  Two things can be bad simultaneously.
2013-02-12 04:47:12 PM  
4 votes:
I really hope they take him alive.
2013-02-12 04:45:28 PM  
4 votes:
Shots fired? Who did the cops shoot? Some couple on their way home from work?
2013-02-12 04:42:17 PM  
4 votes:
surrrre, don't pick the thread with actual comments in it.
2013-02-13 03:12:57 PM  
3 votes:
Interesting tidbit on the two wallets. One could assume that the earlier media reports of finding Dorner's wallet near the border was unsourced media speculation, and that his wallet wasn't found until they found it with the body.

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It's in the criminal complaint:
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I really hate to sound conspiracy minded, but this is really starting to sound like a case of "let's sprinkle some crack on him and get the hell out of here."
2013-02-13 02:59:01 AM  
3 votes:
LookForTheArrow:

THIS. You cant understand this basic fact - that no matter what you allege happened or how many news stories proclaim what, tonight was a plain extra-legal execution. He was not killed in hot pursuit, he was cordoned off. you who don't understand this are probably also gun nuts - I notice they like to shoot first and ask questions later and have a sense of pride about that.


This.  My biggest concern has been the complete lack of due process during this whole ordeal.

Plus, a few days ago, someone in a position of authority---a mayor or a police officer?---referred to Dorner as a "domestic terrorist."   His actions, as awful as they were, do not qualify as domestic terrorism as I know the term.  That bothers me, too.  If they (whoever "they" may be) start broadening the definition of terrorism, pretty soon a lot of Americans who've done nothing evenly remotely terrorist-y are going to find themselves up shiat's creek.    'Cause once you're labeled a terrorist, due process is no longer assured.
2013-02-13 02:46:01 AM  
3 votes:

TheJoe03: Owangotang: Fark's response: "F*CK THE POLICE, CLEARLY THEY MURDERED THIS MAN! IT'S ALL IN THEIR WORDS!"

So you think that cops should act in the same way as criminals?


THIS. You cant understand this basic fact - that no matter what you allege happened or how many news stories proclaim what, tonight was a plain extra-legal execution. He was not killed in hot pursuit, he was cordoned off. you who don't understand this are probably also gun nuts - I notice they like to shoot first and ask questions later and have a sense of pride about that.

Your blood is not worthy to water the tree of liberty, but you do a heck of job watering tyrant's trees..

And THIS:

Its [the official transcript of the event] missing quite a bit from when I was listening.  Like the cops saying to let it burn all the way down to make sure the heat gets to the basement. Of a man they dont even know for sure was him!
2013-02-13 12:59:06 AM  
3 votes:
Well, if he wasn't there, and he's not dead, then he'd be a fool to keep up his crusade.  Better to slip into the background for a while, skip the country and let them say that he died in the fire.

Either way, the only way we know he's not dead is if he shows up, killing more cops out of the blue.  And then, they're likely to call it a 'copycat killer' and not Dorner.
2013-02-13 12:48:45 AM  
3 votes:
Interesting that CNN was asked to stop airing a live feed (like Waco), because they said he could use the television to plan an escape. Problem with that is the owner of the cabin said it had no television, cell phone, telephone, or internet reception.
2013-02-13 12:20:43 AM  
3 votes:

gregscott: "They" say you shouldn't say anything bad about the dead. So:
Dorner's dead. Good for him!

I do feel sorry for the cops that died trying to arrest him.
Odd isn't it, how comments like many of the ones above don't recognize the sadness of that, but dial 911 when they are in dire need.


They were trying real hard to arrest him when they opened fire without warning on at least 2 vehicles, one of which contained 2 women and one of which contained a white male.

Would you feel sad for the cops who died trying to execute him? Cause that;s what this whole thing seems like, especially regarding the scanner feeds where they are openly talking about burning down the cabin as planned.
2013-02-13 12:02:04 AM  
3 votes:
LAPD: We found the body of Chris Dorner in the cabin.

[Takes closer look at body.]

LAPD: We did not find a body in the cabin. Nothing to see here!
2013-02-12 11:03:27 PM  
3 votes:
So no messy trial, no chance to give evidence that might shed light on certain things, and any physical proof up in smoke?

Sounds legit.

There will be mafia dons wiping tears when they see this.
2013-02-12 10:57:52 PM  
3 votes:

adamatari: So, just so I'm straight on this...  "Tear gas" is code for "burn the place down", right?


If you were listening to the scanner "nurn the farking place down" is code for "burn the farking place down"

The populace has been looking the other way for a long time. Even after this situation where police are on tape yet again conspiring to murder a suspect (wasn't that in Dorners manifesto also?) the populace will continue to look the other way...
2013-02-12 10:55:19 PM  
3 votes:
Lynching.
2013-02-12 10:52:21 PM  
3 votes:
They did it for the same reason they torched the Waco compound.  They could not afford the publicity of an open trial, and all the evidence of their wrongdoing would have come to light.
2013-02-12 10:43:25 PM  
3 votes:
I don't know if Dorner did the things that people claim that he did. I do know that he did not receive a fair trial by his peers nor was he ever given an opportunity to do so. He was hunted down. Given the fact the police repeatedly opened fire on random people without confronting them first thinking it was their suspect shows that Dorner had no chance other than surrendering himself to outside authorities or just disappear.

I did read part of his manifesto and parts of it sounded sane, some didn't but I am not a professional analyst.

I would hope that a complete outside investigation into the LAPD in their handling of the situation is undertaken but I doubt it. It was a manhunt. LAPD acted as Judge, Jury and Executioner.

How is this even possible? This just makes me fear cops even more than I did before. Call an Ambulance or Firefighter if situation needed? Yes. Call for police? Depended on situation but would think twice. I don't trust them. Period.
2013-02-12 10:25:04 PM  
3 votes:

Coco LaFemme: Why are some of you getting butthurt that this asshole is dead?  He killed two innocent people that had nothing to do with his beef with the LAPD.  I hope he rots in the hottest corner of Dante's Inferno.


Sometimes there are no good guys. This was one of those times.
2013-02-12 10:10:33 PM  
3 votes:
Yup. Murder of perp. Execution by fire. Leave no witness's. All Farkers and Redditors are to be stalked down one by one and executed.

Some comment from elsewhere

He didn't set the house on fire, I and a bunch of other people have been listening to the scanner. About 20 minutes before the fire was set the police said they were going to go ahead with the "burners" then. Then later they said they had set fire to #1 and #2 which were references to the sides of the house. They didn't set the back on fire.

EDIT: Since most people are seeing this first, here are the posts I made in regards to my comment: http://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/18ef8e/christopher_dorner_in _gun_battle_with_authorities/c8e6d19?context=3

Here is also a timestamp of when it happened so if you get your hands on audio, you have an idea of what time to look for. This is in PST: http://i.imgur.com/y7fpSWk.png

EDIT 2: Audio of police allegedly saying "burn it down": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNk-bV40XMc&feature=youtu.be

2013-02-12 09:53:54 PM  
3 votes:

MrHappyRotter: CBS news is saying it's official: High level sources confirming Dorner's body has been recovered from the burned down cabin.


High level sources also confirmed that Bin Ladin died in the bombing at Tora Bora.
2013-02-12 09:48:49 PM  
3 votes:

cretinbob: shower_in_my_socks: How much you wanna bet that this goes full-Sandy-style with the media misinformation, and we find out later that the truck wasn't stolen, and nobody was in the house? Cable news cannot be trusted to get anything correct, unless it's with 20/20 hindsight.

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You are expecting them to know what happened before it does maybe?



I'm expecting them to know what happened BEFORE THEY REPORT IT.
2013-02-12 09:36:39 PM  
3 votes:

Thingster: Bonanza Jellybean: LAPD set the fire intentionally:

Link

I called the place going up in flames as soon as the news said he was believed to be in a cabin.

Unwritten SOP


No evidence, no statements at trial, and no writings left behind.

Circle wagons, buttress the Blue Wall of Silence, and wait for the news cycle to bury the entire thing leaving behind nothing but Hero Cop Martyrs.
2013-02-12 09:28:43 PM  
3 votes:
LAPD set the fire intentionally:

Link
2013-02-12 09:19:06 PM  
3 votes:
Oh man, all you pro/anti-gun people are farking douchebags.
2013-02-12 09:02:04 PM  
3 votes:

udhq: BraveNewCheneyWorld: Fubar: BraveNewCheneyWorld: Fubar: You nutcases always seem to forget the "well regulated" part

You should probably look up what "well regulated" meant when the 2nd amendment was written, because it has nothing to do with being regulated by the government, it's closer to being "well supplied in working order".  But who am I kidding, you already know that, but you just want to perpetuate a lie.

Nice...  You can spin anything to fit your preconceived views.  Like, say, requiring a better background check and gun registry wouldn't lower gun violence.

Good job, LaPierre would be proud.

Spin?  It's a fact.

The following are taken from the  Oxford English Dictionary, and bracket in time the writing of the 2nd amendment:

1709: "If a liberal Education has formed in us  well-regulated Appetites and worthy Inclinations."
1714: "The practice of all  well-regulated courts of justice in the world."
1812: "The equation of time ... is the adjustment of the difference of time as shown by a  well-regulated clock and a true sun dial."
1848: "A remissness for which I am sure every  well-regulated person will blame the Mayor."
1862: "It appeared to her  well-regulated mind, like a clandestine proceeding."
1894: "The newspaper, a never wanting adjunct to every  well-regulated American embryo city."
The phrase "well-regulated" was in common use long before 1789, and remained so for a century thereafter. It referred to the property of something being in proper working order. Something that was well-regulated was calibrated correctly, functioning as expected. Establishing government oversight of the people's arms was not only not the intent in using the phrase in the 2nd amendment, it was precisely to render the government powerless to do so that the founders wrote it.

Case law or GTFO.


"shiat, he proved me wrong"  GET DIFFERENT EVIDENCE FOR ME BRAVENEWCHENEYWORLD!!!

/you're pathetic
d23 [BareFark]
2013-02-12 09:00:56 PM  
3 votes:
farkING NANCY GRACE

SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP.

YOU farkING LOUDMOUTHED biatch.

AAARGGGH!!
2013-02-12 08:48:56 PM  
3 votes:

Fubar: BraveNewCheneyWorld: Fubar: You nutcases always seem to forget the "well regulated" part

You should probably look up what "well regulated" meant when the 2nd amendment was written, because it has nothing to do with being regulated by the government, it's closer to being "well supplied in working order".  But who am I kidding, you already know that, but you just want to perpetuate a lie.

Nice...  You can spin anything to fit your preconceived views.  Like, say, requiring a better background check and gun registry wouldn't lower gun violence.

Good job, LaPierre would be proud.


Spin?  It's a fact.

The following are taken from the  Oxford English Dictionary, and bracket in time the writing of the 2nd amendment:

1709: "If a liberal Education has formed in us  well-regulated Appetites and worthy Inclinations."
1714: "The practice of all  well-regulated courts of justice in the world."
1812: "The equation of time ... is the adjustment of the difference of time as shown by a  well-regulated clock and a true sun dial."
1848: "A remissness for which I am sure every  well-regulated person will blame the Mayor."
1862: "It appeared to her  well-regulated mind, like a clandestine proceeding."
1894: "The newspaper, a never wanting adjunct to every  well-regulated American embryo city."
The phrase "well-regulated" was in common use long before 1789, and remained so for a century thereafter. It referred to the property of something being in proper working order. Something that was well-regulated was calibrated correctly, functioning as expected. Establishing government oversight of the people's arms was not only not the intent in using the phrase in the 2nd amendment, it was precisely to render the government powerless to do so that the founders wrote it.
2013-02-12 08:34:49 PM  
3 votes:

HotIgneous Intruder: Canned Tamales: You're pathetic, loserbiatch.

Don't worry. You'll live on until you die and and your fear will evaporate into oblivion and the national demographics with shift and it will get done. Guns will be regulated such that peopel don't get killed every day with them.


Ah, the "old and irrelevant" argument.  Nice.  There is some truth to what you say, but I'm not sure it's a good thing.  Yes, the world is full of cowards who crave only safety and dependence.  Some people, including both criminals and government enforcers, will never give them up, but some are happier that the mass of humanity is "less than"....completely unable to resist evil or force if it comes to it.  Unable to take the same responsibilities that you trust your keepers with.

Bully for you, Mr. Guy of the Future, bully for you.  You will conquer the beast and live in peace!

...of course, there are almost as many guns as people in the US, and not everyone is willing to trust their protection and freedom to the powers that be....it might take a while longer than you think....

Certainly more than a lifetime or two.  I think gun owners will still be gun owners long after I'm dead.  And I have no problem with that, since most of them are far better people than those who wish to impose their will.

Goddamn, I've been a liberal since high school, but was I ever as naive and worthless as you assholes?
2013-02-12 08:34:43 PM  
3 votes:
I trust the scanners way more than CNN, etc.
2013-02-12 08:34:38 PM  
3 votes:

super_grass: DubyaHater: I have really enjoyed the Fark Tactical Response Team's analysis to the police presence at the cabin. You guys have real insight into the situation from your mother's basement. Maybe the police department should have this thread on auto-update so they can follow the orders of Farkers who are following the news and surfing trap porn.
Frankly,the cop-hating on this website is sickening. You guys want to discuss the "corruption" of the LAPD with only information gleaned from a madman who has killed quite a few people already. If you guys are so sick of "police corruption", pick up a firearm and patrol your town. I imagine most of you would piss yourselves in a firefight inside a burning building.
And for the the Farkers who "can't feel sympathy for dead cops". There's a child somewhere tonight who lost a parent. I assume most all of you didn't have a parent finish their career in a body bag.
Good job guys. You've made 4chan and FreeRepublic seem normal tonight.

We're self-proclaimed experts with a vast knowledge about gorilla warfare, automatic assault revolvers  and movie renditions of marine core training.


Gorillas are intelligent and peaceful.  Chimpanzees on the other hand.  Those farkers are brutal.
2013-02-12 08:30:07 PM  
3 votes:
I have really enjoyed the Fark Tactical Response Team's analysis to the police presence at the cabin. You guys have real insight into the situation from your mother's basement. Maybe the police department should have this thread on auto-update so they can follow the orders of Farkers who are following the news and surfing trap porn.
Frankly,the cop-hating on this website is sickening. You guys want to discuss the "corruption" of the LAPD with only information gleaned from a madman who has killed quite a few people already. If you guys are so sick of "police corruption", pick up a firearm and patrol your town. I imagine most of you would piss yourselves in a firefight inside a burning building.
And for the the Farkers who "can't feel sympathy for dead cops". There's a child somewhere tonight who lost a parent. I assume most all of you didn't have a parent finish their career in a body bag.
Good job guys. You've made 4chan and FreeRepublic seem normal tonight.
2013-02-12 08:27:20 PM  
3 votes:
If people are serious about these scanner feeds claiming that the cops started the fire--you better farking be recording those feeds.
2013-02-12 08:19:57 PM  
3 votes:

100 Watt Walrus: All you farkwits making pope jokes in the last 30 minutes, you might consider skimming the farking thread in the future, so as not to make an ass of yourselves.


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2013-02-12 08:07:00 PM  
3 votes:
Scanner: To team clearing other buildings, "be extra careful of blue-on-blue"

I  think that's code for "please don't shoot each other".
2013-02-12 07:35:36 PM  
3 votes:
Seen outside...

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2013-02-12 07:11:37 PM  
3 votes:
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2013-02-12 07:03:06 PM  
3 votes:

Noticeably F.A.T.: The side of the road is very rarely the time or place to fight the police. Take that to court.


Same with rapists.  Don't even argue with them in the bedroom.  Take that to court afterwards.
2013-02-12 06:48:47 PM  
3 votes:
I think the real story here is LAPD are cowardly asses who silence opposition, in a shroud of secrecy while THEY kill innocent people and buy wave runners from the "overtime" that causes - that would make anyone snap.

you dont want to excuse dorner that's fine. you want to excuse the LAPD in this slick PR they're trying to run. fark YOU.
2013-02-12 06:26:38 PM  
3 votes:

digistil: Another LAPD officer just posted a manifesto similar to Dorner's. I shiat you not.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mobileweb/2013/02/12/joe-jones-manifest o -christopher-dorner_n_2670513.html?ncid=edlinkusaolp00000003


Jebus Habeus Corpus, can people stop saying manifesto = heated prose?  In the same way that we use 'regime' to slant conversations about governments, the media has taken to 'manifesto' and 'screed' to instantly ad hominem any divergent published document.
2013-02-12 06:20:34 PM  
3 votes:
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2013-02-12 05:52:35 PM  
3 votes:
If this turns out NOT to be Dorner, I'm gonna sh*t myself laughing.
2013-02-12 05:50:17 PM  
3 votes:

TeDDD: Hrist: Felgraf: Hrist: It's clear at this point that no one matters to the LAPD but the LAPD. I hope he keeps evading them so the LAPD will mow a bunch of unarmed helpless civilians to show people who the REAL monster is here.

Uh, I'm pretty sure they're both monsters.

You know, what with his murder of a girl and her fiance soley due to their relation to a police officer he was pissed at.

/No, he hasn't admitted it.
//He just called the officer out by name in his manifesto, and stated he'd be killing the families of officers.
///Yes, the LAPD sucks and their handling of this is monstrous also.

Don't get me wrong, the guy is a huge dick.  But he is also right.  The LAPD is a bunch of corrupt dicks.  Corrupt dicks that can shoot you in the back of the head while you're handcuffed in the back of the squad car and have it called a suicide.  Corrupt dicks that can have you charged with murder because they kicked your door in and shot your two year old in the face, reasoning that if you hadn't lived at that address, they wouldn't have shot a child in the face when they got your address confused with that of a drug dealer.  Corrupt dicks that can beat you to death on live TV while you're unconscious on the ground and get away with it because they are judge jury and executioner.

I would trust this killer over the LAPD any day.  He only has what power he can take and inflict on others, but the LAPD has pretty much all the power they want.  It's like saying sure, Luke Skywalker is dangerous and kills Imperial troops for fun and profit, but in the end it's the Empire that's more likely to kill you or otherwise ruin your life.  Skywalker can only shoot you or run you through with a lightsaber, but the Empire can send you to the spice mines because you look funny.

I missed the part of Star Wars where Luke took a detour to Coruscant to kill some Stormtroopers' kid.  That must have really shown the Empire.

I get that you're trying to talk about relative levels of awful, but ...


I don't condone him murdering people at all, but we all know it would eventually come to this.  Deep down, somewhere in our minds.  The LAPD is too big to change.  It will never change by legal methods.  Remember that person from Kansas City that released those tapes and pictures showing the corruption of their prison system and police force?  Yeah, they ended up moving far far away and changing their identity because they didn't feel like they could remain in the area and not be murdered in the night.  No local news would report on it because they didn't want 'The Force' to come down on them.  It was covered up, it was hush hush, and no one talked about it.  This is how most places will deal with reports of corruption.  In the extreme case the FBI or so might get involved, it's easy to put on a pretty face and look good for a couple of days before going right back to your shiat.

My suggestion?  A Presidential task force assigned to root out and fix police corruption.  People with no connection whatsoever to who/what they'll be investigating.  People who are paid VERY well and who aren't afraid to break out some shovels and dig up that buried paperwork, or interview people at prisons, or put detectives and police captains and police chiefs in the interrogation room on the wrong side of the table.

This event is a warning.  Kind of like when you have to shiat really really bad and can usually tell by that first horrible fart.  That's what this is.  Right now it is only the underpants taking the brunt of the blow (no pun intended) but soon everything around you will be in danger if you don't get to the bathroom.  Just like with the last big school shooting spurring a rash of public and school shootings, this will spawn a bunch of 'me too' killers that have been wronged by the police and want revenge.

If you told me ten years ago that I would have some sympathy for a guy who runs around murdering cops because he was wronged by them I would have called bullshiat.  Now, with all the shiat I've heard in the past few years about police corruption, there is sympathy.  Just a little, but it's there.  Everyone that is injured here is a casualty of police corruption, not to mention countless people in the past who have been cops or have interacted with them.
2013-02-12 05:28:51 PM  
3 votes:

Coco LaFemme: I hope the final word on this story includes the sentence, "Christopher Dorner was killed in a hail of gunfire."


I hope they take him alive.

It would be delicious to have that bit of schadenfreude to throw in the conspiracy theorist's faces.
2013-02-12 05:22:49 PM  
3 votes:
News copters being asked to leave the area... because the LAPD doesn't want to be caught on camera putting a round in his temple at close range.
2013-02-12 05:22:39 PM  
3 votes:
Poor hostages, I have no doubt their safety is high on the priority list.  :(
2013-02-12 05:09:44 PM  
3 votes:

BronyMedic: doglover: shiat man, those are staties.

San Bernardino Sheriff. The uniforms give it away. (Patches/Colors)


I'm tellin' ya son, I got 99 problems but San Bernidino ain't one.


Seriously though, what I don't care about California could fill a book. I'm not learning their cop uniforms. Especially not since they're associates, however distant, of the LAPD and they've gone after Dorner only. Where are names and faces and dismissals of the idiots who lit up the nees truck. Dorner is just a psycopath. Any department can and will stop psychopaths ASAP.

Those idiots who shot the truck up? They need a boot off the force.
2013-02-12 05:08:40 PM  
3 votes:

carnifex2005: I really hope they take him alive.


He will commit suicide.

/in the back of the squad car, handcuffed, by shooting himself in the head 24 times.
2013-02-12 05:06:17 PM  
3 votes:
Seen fleeing the Big Bear area:

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2013-02-12 05:06:17 PM  
3 votes:
Tip to LA residents - if you want the cops to respond quickly to your 911 call simply add "I think it was Chris Dorner!" to any call you place until they catch this guy.
2013-02-12 05:01:08 PM  
3 votes:
A slim chance this guy would ever surrender multiplied by the slim chance the police would even accept his surrender at this point means this guy has zero chance of being brought in alive.
2013-02-12 04:59:44 PM  
3 votes:

Supes: Calling it right now that the two cops shot were hit by friendly fire.


If you are right, you'll probably never know (they wouldn't admit to it).
2013-02-12 04:59:25 PM  
3 votes:

ravenlore: In other words some random black dude is about to die. LAPD will later report that he was "resisting arrest"


What do you mean, "later"?  They have those stories preprinted and ready to do, just a blank space for the victim's name.  HR is responsible for printing off a fresh stack every Monday morning.
2013-02-12 04:58:31 PM  
3 votes:

boozehat: Since when did the LAPD get Ruger Mini-30's??

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Because they aren't LAPD.

LAPD uniforms are black/navy.

Or looking at the patches could have told you that.
2013-02-12 04:55:20 PM  
3 votes:
Translation:  LAPD is shooting random citizens again.
2013-02-12 04:48:06 PM  
3 votes:
In other words some random black dude is about to die. LAPD will later report that he was "resisting arrest"
2013-02-12 04:45:14 PM  
3 votes:
Breaking news coverage, the root canal of televised journalism...
2013-02-13 07:23:30 AM  
2 votes:
And America loses another great hero.

RIP, Dorner.  Hopefully it wasn't all for nothing.
2013-02-13 03:45:53 AM  
2 votes:

Popcorn Johnny: ShawnDoc: 7 burners have deployed and we have a fire.

"Burner" is a slang term for a tear gas canister, faking hell people.


As I understand it, "burner" is a term for an incendiary tear gas canister.  Seems there's another type that doesn't burn.  The fireworks would certainly help move people out the area, but it doesn't seem prudent to use burners in an 85 year-old wooden cabin.  Perhaps that's all they had, though.

Earlier, I thought someone said they used flash-bangs too.  Those will definitely start a fire.  But I don't think a flash-bang would be used unless the cops were breaking down the door.
2013-02-13 03:45:06 AM  
2 votes:

Popcorn Johnny: ShawnDoc: 7 burners have deployed and we have a fire.

"Burner" is a slang term for a tear gas canister, faking hell people.


They don't seem surprised when the fire starts.  You'd think they'd be surprised if it wasn't planned.
"7 burners have deployed and we have a fire."

Not to mention this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNk-bV40XMc
2013-02-13 03:42:51 AM  
2 votes:

links136: My guess is that instead of putting the lawyer who sold him out to the police, he figured the worst punishment for him would be to take his daughter's life.


Which is weird. On the other hand, men kill women all the time out of jealousy or rejection. I'm not saying there is more to that story but I wouldn't be surprised if there was.

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2013-02-13 03:27:48 AM  
2 votes:

Owangotang: LookForTheArrow: You cant understand this basic fact - that no matter what you allege happened or how many news stories proclaim what, tonight was a plain extra-legal execution.

Looked like one morally bankrupt out-of-control force taking out another morally bankrupt out-of-control force to me. It's hard to avoid deadly force when the target brags about things like asymetrical farking warfare.

Where is the outrage for Dorner's victims? Even if you are so jaded that you feel his killing cops is OK, what about Monica Quan and her fiance?


There's plenty of outrage for Dorner's victims, but I don't think holding society's "protectors" to a higher standard is unreasonable.
2013-02-13 03:03:56 AM  
2 votes:
Do any of us on fark know this guy? Even second hand? Can anyone truly judge this guys character?

Let me ask: How is this guy any different than a regular 2nd amendment thumper?

Except this guy had the balls to do what he believed. This guy actually thought his name. His life. His freedom was undermined and he backed up his words with action.

No, really. Check this out. Any time someone threatens the status quo we throw the insane label on them. They're crazy! Right? But, what if he wasn't? What if this guy was just like all the other people all over the Bible Belt saying that if someone comes for their freedom or their guns they will shoot first and ask questions later bc by God they have that 2nd amendment?

I know what you're gonna say. The 2nd doesn't give anyone the right to murder. But, then what is a gun for? If not to kill? How does one actually change a system that has truly thrown everyone overboard? The first person to start firing will always be labeled crazy or insane by the sheep too afraid to stand up and stand out.
2013-02-13 02:56:23 AM  
2 votes:

studebaker hoch: Holy crap they burned him alive?

/I guess it was the only way to be sure.


Except they're still not sure.
2013-02-13 01:53:50 AM  
2 votes:

Aigoo: udhq: BraveNewCheneyWorld: udhq: Nope.  Sorry.  You're absolutely, objectively wrong.

Our legal interpretations in this country come from the judiciary, not the OED, and no court has ever suggested any meaning of "well regulated" other than what any literate person--who's not a self-serving, gun-nut--knows those words to mean.

It takes a special kind of willful ignorance to argue that the legal system is not founded upon standardization of definitions. I see you're going the "repeat a lie and it becomes truth" method. Well, have fun with that, I'm sure you'll convince someone that the meaning of "well regulated" during the time the 2nd amendment was written is irrelevant to how it should be interpreted today.

So why are you trying to use a definition that is specific to British English to interpret our laws, when American English was almost 200 years old and almost completely distinct by the time of the drafting of the constitution?

Wrong thread for this argument, but since you want to have it and have it here, why are you using a modern definition when the English language changes dramatically over time? 90 years ago, the word "gay" did not refer to homosexuality and wasn't used in a derogatory fashion, but today, it is.

So let's play a substitution game. In context of the original language of the Amendment, without the benefit of the judicial, let a common layman decide--as is our custom in this country when it comes to the ratification of the Constitution--which makes more sense. Try to keep in mind that Jefferson, who wrote the final Amendment as it stands today, racist though he was, also wrote the Declaration of Independence and was an advocate of great personal liberty, minimal government interference in the lives of citizens, and the necessity of the people to stand against and prevent tyranny--by peaceful means whenever and wherever possible, by the shedding of blood when all peaceful means had been exhausted and proved inadequate.

modern definition:
...


The 2nd amendment was included to reassure Virginia that they would be allowed to keep their semi-mandatory runaway-slave patrols, no more, no less, to preserve the fragile beginnings of the union.

There was never any desire to make gun ownership part of the DNA of the country. It wasnt anything patriotic. It isnt a "heritage" thing. It wasn't perceived as a fundamental right. It was just a compromise specifically worded to get Virginia to remain with the program, given the specific circumstances the late 18th century. They (Virginia) feared that the federal government, if given the sole authority to arm militias, would undermine the slave patrols by not arming them well enough, and thereby defeating slavery in a "sneaky" backdoor way. Reading all the revisions of the amendment, and the authors debates, renders most of the tea-party's goofy claims about the amendment pointless.

Without a current danger of runaway slaves, there is no more need for the 2nd amendment. And that is not anti-american. And the founding fathers would have been perfectly happy to have not had to include it just to pacify some slaveholders in the south. The non slave-state founding fathers that is.
2013-02-13 01:46:23 AM  
2 votes:

lousyskater: If for some reason this hasn't been posted yet:  http://forums.rimoftheworld.net/showthread.php?12312-Car-Jacking-Big- B ear

It's all the scanner chatter transcribed.


Thanks for that. It's all really clear, actually. And yes, they did absolutely burn that place down. Also interesting that LAPD SWAT showed up uninvited. That is mind-bogglingly wrong.
2013-02-13 01:40:50 AM  
2 votes:

BarkingUnicorn: lousyskater: If for some reason this hasn't been posted yet:  http://forums.rimoftheworld.net/showthread.php?12312-Car-Jacking-Big- B ear

It's all the scanner chatter transcribed.

That is the most bizarre transcription I have ever seen.  I'll wait until someone does it right.


It was being transcribed as it happened. I actually heard most of it on the scanner myself as well.
2013-02-13 01:16:33 AM  
2 votes:
Local news is reporting that the cops didn't find Dorner's body in that burned out cabin.
2013-02-13 01:12:13 AM  
2 votes:

yagottabefarkinkiddinme: I'm rather upset the guy is dead. Something was obviously going on for him, either entirely in his head, genuinely rooted in reality, or some combination thereof and we will never have a chance to understand what. It's a travesty. I'm so tired of people who think that someone who 'snaps' just needs to put down when there is a legitimate chance that the issue is mental they deserve the chance to get help.

I can understand how you feel about mentally helping him, however at what body count of people trying to help him? He was killing and injuring too many people not to be stopped. He could have called in the FBI to meet him while he was on the run to turn himself in and gain federal protection. Dorner could have hired and attorney and sat down together at the FBI to peacefully investigate his firing. Dorner didn't do that.

He sold us a story about being wronged and wanted us on his side. He wrote a raving manifesto telling us how he was going to kill cops and their families...and go to war with them. Dorner chose warfare.

When the LEO's chose their lives over someone's property because their was a well armed and well trained cop killer inside who declaired war...I cannot fault them for burning down the house.

Dorner either had a mental breakdown on his own and that is why he was fired, or he snapped after getting fired. Instead of going postal inside his former workplace, he took his show on the road. Dorner isn't a folk hero. He was a disgruntled worker with a deep desire to kill.


I would never call him a hero, but at some point the system failed this guy. And it pisses me off that so few people seem to be able to utter an ounce of empathy. That stuff that does down in our world is not as black and white as people like to think and I'm tired of society trying to treat the problem and never the symptoms... it just frustrates me to no end.
2013-02-13 01:08:42 AM  
2 votes:

davidphogan: g4lt: Right, no point in planting something if YOU'RE the one "finding" it.  Better to keep people away from the scene as long as possible, then have someone else come in and find the plant.  Fewer questions that way.  While the LAPD gives the Keystone Kops a run for their money, planting evidence is second nature to them by now.

/why yes, I AM a Reynolds shareholder, why do you ask?

Wasn't it the Torrance police who shot the innocent people?  I know the history of the LAPD, but you really think another agency will just let them walk in and change a scene?

The guy made it pretty clear in his manifesto that he wasn't planning to live through this.  Why is it less than likely he just killed himself?


The TPD was responsible for the shooting that missed actually wounding the surfer.  The LAPD hit the newspaper delivery truck and put people into the hospital.  So sort of, the difference is that the LAPD was slightly better marksmen while being too stupid to pour piss out of a boot with instructions on the heel.
2013-02-13 01:00:49 AM  
2 votes:
Who exactly killed him? Something tells me if the American government can not keep the identities of SEAL members secret  those cops just put themselves horrible situation. Pretty clear they murdered someone.Maybe not  even Dorner. So I'm guessing those who burnt the place down get put in witness protection or  end up facing the same fate that caused Dorner to lose his sanity to begin with.
2013-02-13 12:58:52 AM  
2 votes:

firefly212: homelessdude: "We're planning for a long night"


[s20.postimage.org image 650x367]

no they werent

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCdqybEfy9w&feature=youtu.be

"we're going to go forward with the plan, with the burners, like we talked about"
"deploy the burners, fark it, burn it down"
"burners deployed, we have a fire"

These LAPD officers are murderers, and they aren't even trying to hide it. Murderers hunting murderers... there's a reason when people hunt down the LAPD, the rest of the country cheers.

Due process in LA means the cops will shoot six or seven people while hunting you, then torch you alive... if these farkers don't end up in jail, then I'll be the first to publicly cheer for whoever kills them.


Wow.

JUST FARKING WOW


Surrender your guns, America
Law enforcement will protect you

2013-02-13 12:52:13 AM  
2 votes:

thisisarepeat: Coelacanth: thisisarepeat: LaughingRadish: How's this for a wild idea?  Dorner was long gone before the cops even got to the cabin.  He set some trap guns to fire on anyone opening the door, confident that the cops would likely be by soon.  Once a shot was fired, the cops would shoot at each other from opposite sides of the building, each thinking the bullets were coming from inside.  Then they burn the cabin down and, presto, no body.

Thermal optics could detect a body inside the house, but we are talking about cops, they seem to be immune to to common sense/competence.


I used to live in that area. The cops we had there at the time made Deputy Fife look like Clint Eastwood. But the fire policy that's in place is that if a cabin in the woods catches on fire, the firemen will try to stop the fire from spreading to the neighboring woods and other structures. As a matter of fact, back in 1973, a high school homecoming queen was raped and hogtied and left in a cabin that was then set on fire. I don't know if she could've been rescued, but all the usable evidence was burned up.

Niiiice, they better put more manpower on drug crime property seizures if they are going to staff that man hunt.  No manhunt?  so she wasnt a cop/related to a cop then.  sucks to be her.



Some of the suspects were related to local cops and firemen.
2013-02-13 12:51:54 AM  
2 votes:
Popcorn Johnny: No body has been found

I would expect skeletal remains at least, a good chunk of torso and head at the most. It wasn't a hot fire (from what I saw), and I'm not sure how long it burned, but he wasn't completely incinerated.
2013-02-13 12:46:29 AM  
2 votes:

Dubya's_Coke_Dealer: He's just exercising his second amendment rights against a corrupt government, what's the problem?


best.Comment.EVAR.
2013-02-13 12:31:35 AM  
2 votes:

Fark Rye For Many Whores: How does anyone have a conversation in these threads, in the time I'm typing 100 people have yelled at each other 200 times.


Welcome to Fark (no snark, really), so I'd recommend just skimming through and finding either a poster or theme you wish to get into.
2013-02-13 12:20:52 AM  
2 votes:

pedrop357: Doesn't matter.  Everything they do after will be justified as a "post Dorner" response to aggression against the police.  We're all potential Dorners now.


That attitude would only lead to another LA riot type situation. LA is one of the few places were a substantial amount of the population roots for a cop killer, mainly because that department deserves whatever bad things they get. Few incidents truly show how little the police in SoCal are respected and cared about, and few incidents show exactly why people feel that way. LA cops are thugs and their response to this whole situation lets all of America know that.
2013-02-13 12:01:52 AM  
2 votes:

p the boiler: Coastalgrl: Got a question for people out there.

It seems that many people can agree that LAPD is corrupt and has serious problems. Problems that have been clearly demonstrated in the past. Presently, these problems have escalated into firing on their own citizens that they are supposed to 'serve and protect' while on a frantic manhunt.

Is there a statute to replace an entire police department? Can a police department be disbanded and responsibilities be split between surrounding communities? To take it a scary step further, can the military take over a corrupt police department that is hell bent on killing citizens, innocent or otherwise?

If I'm not mistaken the federal government threatened to take over the Chicago PD during the mob glory years because of the corruption.



Detroit has been under federal oversight since 2003.  Oakland just narrowly avoided being the same way.
2013-02-12 11:59:38 PM  
2 votes:

Coastalgrl: Got a question for people out there.

It seems that many people can agree that LAPD is corrupt and has serious problems. Problems that have been clearly demonstrated in the past. Presently, these problems have escalated into firing on their own citizens that they are supposed to 'serve and protect' while on a frantic manhunt.

Is there a statute to replace an entire police department? Can a police department be disbanded and responsibilities be split between surrounding communities? To take it a scary step further, can the military take over a corrupt police department that is hell bent on killing citizens, innocent or otherwise?


If I'm not mistaken the federal government threatened to take over the Chicago PD during the mob glory years because of the corruption.
2013-02-12 11:56:27 PM  
2 votes:

thisisarepeat: LaughingRadish: How's this for a wild idea?  Dorner was long gone before the cops even got to the cabin.  He set some trap guns to fire on anyone opening the door, confident that the cops would likely be by soon.  Once a shot was fired, the cops would shoot at each other from opposite sides of the building, each thinking the bullets were coming from inside.  Then they burn the cabin down and, presto, no body.

Thermal optics could detect a body inside the house, but we are talking about cops, they seem to be immune to to common sense/competence.



I used to live in that area. The cops we had there at the time made Deputy Fife look like Clint Eastwood. But the fire policy that's in place is that if a cabin in the woods catches on fire, the firemen will try to stop the fire from spreading to the neighboring woods and other structures. As a matter of fact, back in 1973, a high school homecoming queen was raped and hogtied and left in a cabin that was then set on fire. I don't know if she could've been rescued, but all the usable evidence was burned up.
2013-02-12 11:55:15 PM  
2 votes:

tychno: Does this mean the LAPD will stop shooting at innocent people now?


No, of course not.  That's what they have always done, and that's what they always will do.
2013-02-12 11:41:12 PM  
2 votes:

fredklein: Now the LAPD is saying "no body" has been removed. They just can't tell the truth, can they?


I think they're still deciding what the best "truth" might be.
2013-02-12 11:26:55 PM  
2 votes:
I have a list of people that threaten/brag about being willfully ignorant (using ignore)  its pink for pussy.
2013-02-12 11:21:42 PM  
2 votes:

Popcorn Johnny: tshauk: I don't know, but the news anchors are sticking by their sources and keep saying they have a body....soooo

Some of you try to claim conspiracies when there's absolutely no reason for one to exist.  What would possibly be gained by lying about whether or not a body had been found yet?


Well it could be that the body was obviously not that of a 270lb man.
Someone might not want to let that out until they have a good story for why.
2013-02-12 11:17:29 PM  
2 votes:
I'm not a conspiracy nut job but... I heard this on the scanner, and someone actually captured it. Talks about going ahead with the plan, the burn.

Gets interesting around 29:00, at 29:30ish is the wtf moment.  I heard this a little before 7pm est.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=fbc_1360721946
2013-02-12 11:11:48 PM  
2 votes:

homelessdude: m00: So they think he escaped? Why would it be a long night in the woods in the cold  if they got him?

The news people don't know and the police aren't saying.

About all we can be certain of is that a
- 1 Cop killed
- 1 Cop in surgery; should be ok
- Cabin on fire
- Dorner not known if in the cabin or even at the scene.
- Cabin is on fire and almost burned out.

Other than that, its all speculation.


you left out: a HUGE expenditure of man hours
I would love to see what the cost of that circus was.

and when was the last time that much money was spent on tracking down the murderer of a civilian ...

/farking royalty in america
2013-02-12 11:02:22 PM  
2 votes:

freewill: MaliFinn: Maybe in LA, but elsewhere people don't care much.  And that's fine, as long as it stays local.  They control local.

Eh, we hit several local restaurants in upstate NY for Fat Tuesday parties. This was on the big screen at every bar, and there was open discussion of the cops setting it with little disagreement. That was before there was video of them screaming "BURN IT DOWN". I'm assuming much of the country is the same.


Fat Tuesday.  Drunk people.  SOTU address.  If there was ever a time to kill people with everyone else not caring, this was it.  Also, I noticed nobody mentioned the other murders that took place tonight.
2013-02-12 10:55:30 PM  
2 votes:
Well.  This thread is something.
2013-02-12 10:50:50 PM  
2 votes:

Popcorn Johnny: Zeno-25: LAPD had an obligation to wait this guy out and bring him to trial.

For all we know at this point, Dorner is responsible for the fire.


Oh yeah, everyone knows the first thing you do in a defensive position is set ALL of your cover on fire.

You may not know, but I've seen this one before.
2013-02-12 10:50:41 PM  
2 votes:

Popcorn Johnny: Thingster: Except the whole cops yelling to torch the motherfarker, as recorded?

I listened to everything, that was never said.


I would be easier for you to hear if you weren't down on the ground licking a cop's boot.
2013-02-12 10:47:27 PM  
2 votes:

Bontesla: So what's the over/under on the body's dental records NOT being a match for Dorner's?


As if we would ever find out.
2013-02-12 10:32:49 PM  
2 votes:

Coco LaFemme: pedrop357: Coco LaFemme: Why are some of you getting butthurt that this asshole is dead?  He killed two innocent people that had nothing to do with his beef with the LAPD.  I hope he rots in the hottest corner of Dante's Inferno.

Because allowing the police to do what they did to someone like him enables them to do it to anyone.  It's also an affront to the things that make up a society that claims to follow the rule of law.

I have no sympathy for murderers.  It's not like he was accused of killing these people, and he didn't.  He did it.  Everyone knows he did it.  I'll save my sorrow for his victims.


I don't think anyone is sympathizing with Dorner.
This is being concerned that the people we trust to uphold the law are acting outside it.
2013-02-12 10:32:21 PM  
2 votes:

Bontesla: I didn't have my money on setting the damned place ablaze.


It was in the back of my mind, but when somebody posted a "miss me?" pic of AG Janet Reno on page 1 I realized it was the obvious outcome.

"Burn that f*cking house down!" - cops
2013-02-12 10:29:05 PM  
2 votes:

Ned Stark: udhq: Jimmysolson: Ned Stark: An armed citizenry remains a good idea in and of itself, regardless of the writing on the paper.

For what it's worth, I agree.

The right to bear arms is one thing, but no matter how smart or safe you are, when you bring a gun into your home, statistically it's going to kill one of your children before it ever stops a violent criminal or government tyrant.

If the anti-gun position was NO guns Smelt them all, smash the factories, burn the records and degauss the hard drives etc etc, and just leave all that shiat behind us we'll run society with batons balls then i would be all aboard.

but realistically there are only two options. either only the state will have guns, or gun ownership will be right that pretty much everyone can participate in. The choice seems obvious.


You're right, a blanket gun ban wouldn't be practical at this time for a number of reasons.

My point was that guns are like cigarettes:  you have a right to use them, but if you choose to use them, statistically, they will only harm you.

We all have access to the tools needed to commit murder.  What I object to philosophically is giving all people access to the tools needed to commit mass murder.
2013-02-12 10:28:50 PM  
2 votes:

pedrop357: Coco LaFemme: Why are some of you getting butthurt that this asshole is dead?  He killed two innocent people that had nothing to do with his beef with the LAPD.  I hope he rots in the hottest corner of Dante's Inferno.

Because allowing the police to do what they did to someone like him enables them to do it to anyone.  It's also an affront to the things that make up a society that claims to follow the rule of law.


I have no sympathy for murderers.  It's not like he was accused of killing these people, and he didn't.  He did it.  Everyone knows he did it.  I'll save my sorrow for his victims.
2013-02-12 10:26:23 PM  
2 votes:

Coco LaFemme: Why are some of you getting butthurt that this asshole is dead?  He killed two innocent people that had nothing to do with his beef with the LAPD.  I hope he rots in the hottest corner of Dante's Inferno.


Because allowing the police to do what they did to someone like him enables them to do it to anyone.  It's also an affront to the things that make up a society that claims to follow the rule of law.
2013-02-12 10:25:21 PM  
2 votes:

FizixJunkee: BafflerMeal: Bontesla: cretinbob: King Something: tychno: Does this mean the LAPD will stop shooting at innocent people now?

No, not once this bit of audio goes viral (contains some NSFW language)

Well.....that was pretty clear

I can't see it right now. Would you mind summarizing?

Video of news on TV.  Audio from Police:

Burn this F**ker down!

Sounds like he was convicted and summarily punished without a proper trial if you ask me.


At first I questioned the validity of the Youtube video. I thought perhaps someone added the part of "burn it down", just to start trouble. I captured the live audio only of today's events from the CBS online video feed, and I can tell you with 100% confidence the audio you hear on this video is absolutely what was said.

/  Why the hell are cops trying so hard to put targets on their own backs?
2013-02-12 10:03:57 PM  
2 votes:

shower_in_my_socks: Dorner could have turned himself in at anytime. That whole time he was on the run, he could have pulled up to any police station, got out with his hands up, and been taken peacefully into custody.


We see how cops handle peaceful people.

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2013-02-12 10:02:59 PM  
2 votes:

Bontesla: cretinbob: King Something: tychno: Does this mean the LAPD will stop shooting at innocent people now?

No, not once this bit of audio goes viral (contains some NSFW language)

Well.....that was pretty clear

I can't see it right now. Would you mind summarizing?


Video of news on TV.  Audio from Police:

Burn this F**ker down!
2013-02-12 10:01:58 PM  
2 votes:

fredklein: 'Todd', a former cop says "Thank goodness we don't have to go through a trial" on CBS.

Dick.


Between that, LAPD shooting at trucks, Torrance PD shooting at trucks, and 'burn it down', we know exactly what kind of people a lot of cops are.  Most of those hide it pretty well, the ones that don't make the news and get suspended for a week or sometimes for putting people in comas, planting evidence, or other felonies.

The others just need a little more push to drop the mask, and we saw a lot of them during this weeklong saga.
2013-02-12 10:01:39 PM  
2 votes:

fredklein: 'Todd', a former cop says "Thank goodness we don't have to go through a trial" on CBS.

Dick.



Dorner could have turned himself in at anytime. That whole time he was on the run, he could have pulled up to any police station, got out with his hands up, and been taken peacefully into custody. He chose to go out in a "blaze" - this ended the way that he wanted it to end.
2013-02-12 09:55:24 PM  
2 votes:

Cer10Death: Mrs. Beasley: Whar's my SOTU thread? WARRRRR? Boner looks constipated.

Why farking bother. All he's blabbing about is how he's going to take away our guns, raise our taxes, piss on the Constitution, share our wealth (*as if we had any to begin with), fark our women, steal our hopes and dreams, steal our retirement, fark up our healthcare (Ok, well, it's pretty farked up without him doing anything), cow tow to Eurotrash countries, run scared of North Korea and Iran, legitimize the boarder hoppers who strain our resources by having more kids than a clown car at Ringling Bros. Barnum and Bailey Circus, and flush our children's futures down the toilet. There...how's that for your SOTU thread.


You forgot abandoning Israel, shutting down the fossil fuel industry and getting his handicap below 40.
2013-02-12 09:55:05 PM  
2 votes:

tychno: Does this mean the LAPD will stop shooting at innocent people now?


No, not once this bit of audio goes viral (contains some NSFW language)
2013-02-12 09:53:26 PM  
2 votes:

tychno: Does this mean the LAPD will stop shooting at innocent people now?


That's a silly question.

Everyone is another possible Dorner, and will be shot if the officer's spidey sense tingles in the least.
2013-02-12 09:52:15 PM  
2 votes:
Does this mean the LAPD will stop shooting at innocent people now?
2013-02-12 09:46:36 PM  
2 votes:

germ78: ya know, if he really wanted to fark things up, he should have strung incendiary devices all around the woods surrounding the cabin. granted, you need a little more time to do that, but then again he's been "planning" this for 4 years now.


You know, over the past few days, I've read better plans on Fark than this guy had in real life. I am just glad Farkers usually use their powers for good or we would have some serious potential League of Doom material around here.
2013-02-12 09:45:42 PM  
2 votes:

tenpoundsofcheese: Mrtraveler01: Otto_E_Rodika: One less Obama voter.

Is this the part where I remind everyone that he voted for John Huntsman in the primary and didn't vote in the general election?

Proof?  Are you taking the word of a madman?  Again?  Interesting.


So, if his own manifesto isn't a valid citation, what citation do you guys have that he did vote for Obama then?

I'll wait here while you dig that up for me.
2013-02-12 09:43:31 PM  
2 votes:

MrHappyRotter: CBS news reporting that a body has been removed from the cabin.


God they better hope that body is Dorner.
With a good, clean set of dental records.
2013-02-12 09:38:33 PM  
2 votes:

m00: Canned Tamales: It's irrelevant either way. You do know that when the constitution was written, almost all of the weaponry was owned by private citizens, and taken home with them after the fighting, right? No matter what "well-regulated militia" means, almost the entire armory that helped win a war was privately owned and went home with the soldiers, with no trigger locks or gun safes or registration laws. Somehow, people managed having deadly war weapons in their homes for two centuries!

Well, biggest problem I see is this: constitution was written to operate as a unit. It's a piece of legal machinery. We've been violating most of it for at least a century. For example, we're not supposed to have standing armies. The Vice President is supposed to be the runner-up in the presidential election. Congress is supposed to be the one to declare war. The whole concept of precedent and judicial review was an invention after the constitution was written.

Here's the biggest one: Any power not explicitly granted to Federal Government by the Constitution should be reserved for the States.

I'm generally pro-2nd amendment, and I recognize the founders envisioned "well regulated militia" to mean specifically "everybody over the age of 18 and wants to own a gun." But that was a time of personal responsibility, where you didn't sue a University because they gave your snowflake a C. This was a world without a militarized police force; without an FBI, CIA, TSA, NSA, Homeland Security, and so forth. No SWAT teams. You could buy any drug over the counter, and it was your responsibility to use it responsibly. Unfortunately it was also a world with Slavery and lynch mobs and hangin' for stealing a horse, and completely corrupt local politics, and yellow journalism. The States also held the Federal Government hostage in a lot of different ways, and state legislators had as much, or more, power than Congressional Senators.

At this point, I think we just need another Constitutional Congr ...


You make some good observations(lack or presidential war powers is the biggie for me....he just should not have them, period), but I don't see how people are any better off with a weak bill of rights.

And yes, I am a 1st amendment fanatic (only shouting "fire", fraud by deception, and starting a riot should be illegal).  I am also a 4th amendment stickler, we give way too much power to police.

I don't see how society is made any better or safer by weakening any of them.
2013-02-12 09:37:32 PM  
2 votes:

studebaker hoch: Bonanza Jellybean

LAPD set the fire intentionally: Link

That video will be "removed by the user" within hours.

It only has 300 views now.

Someone needs to save it, download it, preserve it.


TMYK: New YouTube videos stop counting at 300 or 301, regardless of the actual view count. It's the way they sync their servers and verify counts.
m00
2013-02-12 09:36:57 PM  
2 votes:
See his big mistake was killing cops. If instead he was killing poor people in LA, this *might* get a detective part-time on the case.
2013-02-12 09:35:22 PM  
2 votes:

Bonanza Jellybean: LAPD set the fire intentionally:

Link


Oh, shiat. That's not LAPD, but if that's real, that's going to get some blowback. They couldn't have been clearer about that if they'd held a press conference.

KidneyStone: [i3.photobucket.com image 850x407]


Nice.
2013-02-12 09:35:18 PM  
2 votes:
Bonanza Jellybean

LAPD set the fire intentionally: Link

That video will be "removed by the user" within hours.

It only has 300 views now.

Someone needs to save it, download it, preserve it.
2013-02-12 09:33:06 PM  
2 votes:

Thingster: Bonanza Jellybean: LAPD set the fire intentionally:

Link

I called the place going up in flames as soon as the news said he was believed to be in a cabin.

Unwritten SOP


As soon as it was reported that they were lobbing multiple canisters of tear gas, I knew for sure.  One flashbang after 5 or 6 canisters might be enough to torch the place real quick.
2013-02-12 09:32:23 PM  
2 votes:
If that was Dorner in the cabin then there are a ton of people, myself included, who over estimated his intelligence. Who burns their survival gear right before going into the wilderness? Not only that but burns their truck and gear right in the path of where they are hiding marking a big sign that says, "Hey, I am over here! Search here."

These are mistakes made by an idiot. If he had planned this out for years, I'd hate to see the plans he scrapped.
2013-02-12 09:26:25 PM  
2 votes:

BraveNewCheneyWorld: TheJoe03: Honestly, never really seen the point of watching the State of the Union (or any political speech), so when can I expect this to end? I haven't watched TV news since the election, so I had no idea a SOTU was even happening tonight, I'm only watching the news to see if this cop killer is an action hero or a disappointment.

SOTU always seems like nothing more than a political infomercial.  I don't know why people care to watch it.


This commenter on reason nailed it
http://reason.com/archives/2013/02/12/5-problems-obama-will-ignore-s ta te-of-th#comment_3543507

"Some folks want you to believe [insert false choice], but they're wrong. My administration is committed to [insert Utopian scheme] and we will [insert demonstrably false and/or impossible course of action]. Because [assertion of necessity of equal outcomes]."
2013-02-12 08:56:05 PM  
2 votes:

HotIgneous Intruder: Justice = Revenge.
Justice has been inflicted.

Nothing more.


Revenge is not justice unless it was achieved within in the law.
2013-02-12 08:54:16 PM  
2 votes:

ontariolightning: I was on Reddit and got downvoted -50 karma points for saying Chuck Norris is in the burning cabin
I am at home here on Fark. Where I can make insensitive comments and be applauded for it.


That's because Reddit is super strait edge, and they keep themselves this strait by shoving a humongous stick up their collective asses.
2013-02-12 08:54:12 PM  
2 votes:
There are going to be SO many idiotic conspiracy theories on this one.
2013-02-12 08:45:49 PM  
2 votes:

drew46n2: thisisarepeat: HOly shiat! Are you telling me people actually die sometimes?! Grow up.

People die, why try to cure cancer? Grow up.
People die, why go to the hospital? Just let the heart attack kill you. Grow up.
People die, why get inoculated? Get your measles, mumps, etc...Grow up
People die, why should cops wear body armor? They should grow up.



The last one is my favorite.  People die from all sorts of things, hay balers are about the most deadly piece of equipment I can think of right now.  They aren't going anywhere because the number of people they kill is insignificant when compared to the task of driving all the cattle to the other hemisphere for the winter.  Trusting my security to bumbling idiots like the ones burning down California right now is no less absurd than my cattle example. Firearm related death rates are less significant than than other, less essential activities.  The fact of the matter is you just don't like guns or gun owners and really couldn't give a shiat how many people die from gun shot wounds and probably would be happy to see the number of deaths increase so that you might realize your twisted fantasy of threatening peoples free will without the possibility of effective reprisal.
2013-02-12 08:43:05 PM  
2 votes:

DubyaHater: I have really enjoyed the Fark Tactical Response Team's analysis to the police presence at the cabin. You guys have real insight into the situation from your mother's basement.


Actually the scanner reports in this thread were a lot more timely and accurate than the talking heads on TV.
2013-02-12 08:38:42 PM  
2 votes:

drew46n2: pedrop357: fark you.

typical response when cornered. Great Britain is just teeming with despots, if only the people had guns! Japan is under such a terrible tyranny, if only the people had guns! Australia is becoming a police state, if only they didn't have gun control!

Listen, I like the walking dead, too. I've seen Red Dawn. I also posses the ability to separate fantasy from reality.

Fantasy: The U.S. is at risk of being taken over by a dictatorship.
Reality:A vocal minority is too in love with their penile-compensators to accept even the slightest regulation on private sales, background checks, or magazine capacity. And a hundred people today will die from a gun. And tomorrow. And the next day...but who cares? I got my man card derrrr herp!

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Wait, really?!

You have a situation where a cop shoots at cops who also shoot at cops and also shoot at vehicles before calling down the farking drones and ending this whole mess in one massive chaotic conflagration. Cops abusing power, cops attacking people at random, cops accused of being atrocious and unscrupulous bastards by other cops.

...And after You see all this, What you want is more gun control?
You want to entrust more heavily armed paramilitary cops with a law that would have had no impact on the past six days, except to authorize them to carry bigger weapons and use them more frequently?

This sounds like one of those ideas that isn't congruous to the events at hand.
2013-02-12 08:36:42 PM  
2 votes:

HotIgneous Intruder: Plenty of legal precedent for fencing off that right as of right now, including CCW permit requirements and associated hurdles. All weapons are not created equal in the eyes of the law, ergo, the CCW for pistols in nearly all the states, and all of them constitutional, no problemo.


It's sad how so many people are so utterly brain dead as to think a permit being required to exercise a right that specifically says that it "shall not be infringed" is "constitutional".
2013-02-12 08:32:23 PM  
2 votes:

DubyaHater: I have really enjoyed the Fark Tactical Response Team's analysis to the police presence at the cabin. You guys have real insight into the situation from your mother's basement. Maybe the police department should have this thread on auto-update so they can follow the orders of Farkers who are following the news and surfing trap porn.
Frankly,the cop-hating on this website is sickening. You guys want to discuss the "corruption" of the LAPD with only information gleaned from a madman who has killed quite a few people already. If you guys are so sick of "police corruption", pick up a firearm and patrol your town. I imagine most of you would piss yourselves in a firefight inside a burning building.
And for the the Farkers who "can't feel sympathy for dead cops". There's a child somewhere tonight who lost a parent. I assume most all of you didn't have a parent finish their career in a body bag.
Good job guys. You've made 4chan and FreeRepublic seem normal tonight.


Cute, but I hate both sides in this and the families who lost fathers have my deepest sympathy.

/Last time I checked "burn the mother farker into charcoal" wasn't an approved method of law enforcement
//The ATF and SBPD apparently disagree
2013-02-12 08:31:56 PM  
2 votes:
I don't own a gun. I don't want a gun. And I think there do need to be more intelligent regulations on firearms, plus I hate the fact that very idea of discussing it is "off limits" to some people.

But constantly calling them "dick compensators" and other such really makes an argument difficult to take seriously.
2013-02-12 08:28:10 PM  
2 votes:
So, a fire breaks out in the exact same house that happens to be the place where the most wanted man in America is taking refuge.  The odds of this happening are staggering.
2013-02-12 08:26:46 PM  
2 votes:
Did the police use vengeance to kill him? Was it personal? If he didn't kill a cop, would they have burned the cabin down after waiting a grand total of what? 2 hours after surrounding it? I'm only asking..
2013-02-12 08:25:24 PM  
2 votes:

HotIgneous Intruder: More like everyone who has a handgun needs to undergo a background check as exhaustive as that required for a Secret security clearance and only then will they be issued a federal license to carry. No rights would be abridged by this requirement. If you're honest and sane, you'll have no problem with this requirement.


Uh yeah, that would be a violation.  You must not understand what "shall not be infringed means".  it certainly doesn't allow a person to be denied a right because they have bad credit.

I love anti-gun types pretending that everything they propose, no matter how invasive, laborious, etc. is not a violation of the 2nd amendment.  It makes me wonder what the limit really is in their opinion.  What can't the government do involving firearms?
2013-02-12 08:23:38 PM  
2 votes:

thisisarepeat: HOly shiat! Are you telling me people actually die sometimes?! Grow up.


People die, why try to cure cancer? Grow up.
People die, why go to the hospital? Just let the heart attack kill you. Grow up.
People die, why get inoculated? Get your measles, mumps, etc...Grow up
People die, why should cops wear body armor? They should grow up.
2013-02-12 08:22:16 PM  
2 votes:

m00: So they think he escaped? Why would it be a long night in the woods in the cold  if they got him?


The news people don't know and the police aren't saying.

About all we can be certain of is that a
- 1 Cop killed
- 1 Cop in surgery; should be ok
- Cabin on fire
- Dorner not known if in the cabin or even at the scene.
- Cabin is on fire and almost burned out.

Other than that, its all speculation.
2013-02-12 08:21:19 PM  
2 votes:

100 Watt Walrus: All you farkwits making pope jokes in the last 30 minutes, you might consider skimming the farking thread in the future, so as not to make an ass of yourselves.


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We have a NEW POPE!!!!
2013-02-12 08:20:06 PM  
2 votes:

HotIgneous Intruder: Canned Tamales: You're pathetic, loserbiatch.

Don't worry. You'll live on until you die and and your fear will evaporate into oblivion and the national demographics with shift and it will get done. Guns will be regulated such that peopel don't get killed every day with them.


Then we can get rid of the alcohol, which kills about 3 times as many people.
2013-02-12 08:16:06 PM  
2 votes:

drew46n2: :A vocal minority is too in love with their penile-compensators to accept even the slightest regulation on private sales, background checks, or magazine capacity. And a hundred people today will die from a gun. And tomorrow. And the next day...but who cares? I got my man card derrrr herp!


Speaking of derp.  You gun control supporters really need therapy for this sexual issue you all seem to have.

Since 2/3 or more of those hundred are suicides, and nearly 2/3 of murders with firearms come from handguns,  many lives do you think will actually be saved by banning scary looking guns, limiting magazine capacity, or forcing a person to conduct a background check on a family member or neighbor before selling their gun?
2013-02-12 08:13:19 PM  
2 votes:
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2013-02-12 08:12:45 PM  
2 votes:
If this is the end of him, I'll be disappointed at all that bluster in his letter saying how he was trained in counter-insurgency and intelligence. On the other hand, if he was actually trained in counter-insurgency and intelligence... he's not in this cabin, and it was all a big ruse.

Actually a lot of things don't add up.

He hijacked a vehicle, and drove it to this cabin. Okay. First that right there isn't very bright because you KNOW they'll do a manhunt in a 50 mile radius. Second, if he did... why was there so much ammo in the cabin? How much ammo can a guy hijacking a vehicle carry. Was it in a duffel bag? The owner already said there wasn't ammo in there. Unless Dorner he stashed it there before, and this is all a setup.
2013-02-12 08:10:35 PM  
2 votes:

pedrop357: fark you.


typical response when cornered. Great Britain is just teeming with despots, if only the people had guns! Japan is under such a terrible tyranny, if only the people had guns! Australia is becoming a police state, if only they didn't have gun control!

Listen, I like the walking dead, too. I've seen Red Dawn. I also posses the ability to separate fantasy from reality.

Fantasy: The U.S. is at risk of being taken over by a dictatorship.
Reality:A vocal minority is too in love with their penile-compensators to accept even the slightest regulation on private sales, background checks, or magazine capacity. And a hundred people today will die from a gun. And tomorrow. And the next day...but who cares? I got my man card derrrr herp!

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2013-02-12 08:10:25 PM  
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2013-02-12 08:08:15 PM  
2 votes:
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/misdirection
2013-02-12 07:30:08 PM  
2 votes:
Jeff Green@Greenspeak 1 hr
Every media outlet now obsessively covering and glorifying this "live gun battle" in LA is disqualified from criticizing violent videogames.
2013-02-12 07:28:12 PM  
2 votes:
Wouldn't it be something if that cabin just erupts in a massive explosion?
2013-02-12 07:24:46 PM  
2 votes:
This sounds similar to the ending of Charles Bronson's "Death Hunt"
2013-02-12 07:23:54 PM  
2 votes:

drew46n2: The_Sponge: drew46n2: Another NRA success story! Thanks for opposing background checks and the AWB!


-3/10

And you do realize that California has strict gun laws AND Dorner is a gun control nut.

Yes, he spelled it out in his manifesto exactly how easy it was to get his guns. Obviously it should stay as easy!


He was a cop and would have had an easier time getting guns than us little people.

I also fail to see how his misuse of guns should justify even more infringements on our rights.
2013-02-12 07:22:48 PM  
2 votes:

Pichu0102: SN1987a goes boom: How much longer until the LAPD's body count is higher than Dorner's?

Isn't there some law where friendly fire damage is the suspects fault if it happened while in commission of a crime?


Felony murder.  If your criminal act results in someone's death, you're toast.
2013-02-12 07:20:57 PM  
2 votes:

drew46n2: Another NRA success story! Thanks for opposing background checks and the AWB!



-3/10

And you do realize that California has strict gun laws AND Dorner is a gun control nut.
2013-02-12 07:09:14 PM  
2 votes:
I'm posting other pictures of Dorner to assist LAPD:

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2013-02-12 06:59:25 PM  
2 votes:
Bit'O'Gristle: Good. I hope they blow his farking head off. Twice. He shot and killed 3 people, wounded 2 officers with gunfire, and now stole some innocent person's car. fark you Dorner, fark you in the ass with a giant rubber dick. And fark anyone who defends this piece of shiat. He's a butt hurt borderline personality disorder asshole, who blames everyone for his life, and decided to murder innocent people because he got fired from his job. Anyone defending him is either a troll or an idiot and should go into the cabin with him and wait for the SWAT charge, and following statement that his condition has been downgraded from moran to meat. Any political point he wanted to make with his rambling disjointed "manifesto" went out the window when he killed. Then he became a terrorist. Set the building on fire. He burns to death, kills himself, or is gunned down running like the dog he is. Either way, it's good to me.

Wow, what an amazingly stupid asshole you are. Do you really wonder why so many posters think maybe Dorner's plan to execute police officers might not be such a terrible action plan? As long as a cop knows a person is guilty, it's OK to turn the suspect from "moran to meat" right? RIGHT, ASSHOLE??? Between Dorner killing two innocent people and you advocating a pre-trial death sentence for a suspect, I'm not sure which one of you has more efficiently taken the principle of his cause, turned it inside out, and buggered himself with it.

May you and your moustache meet the same end you advocate. In fact, I should forward this post to your department and/or any other bodies that oversee your department - at least then, when you finally get to kill you some guilty folk (if you haven't already) there will be a traceable history of your desire to mete out extrajudicial executions, you knuckledragging cock.

Btw - LOGIC DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY. All his valid, salient political points are still valid and salient; the only change is the righteousness by which they were made. Many cops, by and large, are still corrupt authoritarian bastards - see above quote for irrefutable evidence.
2013-02-12 06:57:04 PM  
2 votes:
How much longer until the LAPD's body count is higher than Dorner's?
2013-02-12 06:57:03 PM  
2 votes:

Canned Tamales: Actually, I'm a liberal democrat who just happens to hate demagogues and respect the constitution.


Left leaning Republican here, but I echo your sentiment.
2013-02-12 06:56:25 PM  
2 votes:

Mija: The most alarming thing is I have not seen one person excercise their right to refuse a search.


Yeah, you don't have a right to refuse a search in this situation.
2013-02-12 06:55:03 PM  
2 votes:
The most alarming thing is I have not seen one person excercise their right to refuse a search. Pathetic sheep. This is why police expect you to give up your rights. No one knows let alone stands up for their rights. Lock the doors, crack your window and chant, "I do not submit to a search". Make the police follow the law.
2013-02-12 06:50:18 PM  
2 votes:

404 page not found: Local radio station reporting friendly-fire. The deputy responsible for the shooting has already been placed on paid administrative leave pending investigation.   http://www.iheart.com/live/177/


Predicted that on the first page. Still sad as hell though.
2013-02-12 06:47:09 PM  
2 votes:
At least one of the deputies died.

I hope he's in there and I hope that cabin is burned flat to the ground. This guy is a complete farking psychopath no matter what actually went down that pissed him off.
2013-02-12 06:40:59 PM  
2 votes:
one thing is certain - that cabin will be a smoking crater or found to be completely empty just in time for the State of the Union address.

bread and circuses, baby!
2013-02-12 06:39:53 PM  
2 votes:
Goddammit, the freaking LAPD is actually making me root for this guy.  Why do they have to be such r-tards?
2013-02-12 06:30:57 PM  
2 votes:
The authorities are asking viewers of the cbs local thread to stop tweeting any information as it is interfering with their investigation. Oh, and good luck with that.
2013-02-12 06:30:44 PM  
2 votes:
So if they are searching vehicles, wouldn't that mean they don't have him pinned down in a cabin? If they know where he is why would they be looking for him in cars?

/I suppose they could be making sure there isn't a sympathizer coming to his aid, but that really opens up the probable cause and illegal search angle.
2013-02-12 06:30:31 PM  
2 votes:
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Good idea: Kill a handful of cops in GTA: IV and lead them on a massive chase to pass the time.

Bad Idea: Kill a handful of cops in real life while also shooting at civilians over a period of days, and holding people hostage in a rural cabin.
2013-02-12 06:23:49 PM  
2 votes:
This situation would have been avoided if police officers were allowed to carry guns.
2013-02-12 06:22:05 PM  
2 votes:
Another LAPD officer just posted a manifesto similar to Dorner's. I shiat you not.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mobileweb/2013/02/12/joe-jones-manifest o -christopher-dorner_n_2670513.html?ncid=edlinkusaolp00000003
2013-02-12 06:16:00 PM  
2 votes:

Corvus: [www.yiyelim.com image 300x300]
Mmmmm Dorner


Dammit, I want a freakin Döner now. No idea where to get one around here, and the last time I had one was in Munich, but I swear those things are delicious.
2013-02-12 06:15:14 PM  
2 votes:

Somacandra: Yeah, they're asking the local media to pull away any live shots.


so they can kill him off camera
2013-02-12 06:08:04 PM  
2 votes:
Surprising amount of effort for a guy who made some threats and is suspected of killing 3 people.

On a plus note, it's telling that they all choose to carry AR-15s and M-16s.  They have dozens at their little checkpoints for one guy, yet they claim the average person alone needs far less to defend themselves, even against a guy like this.
2013-02-12 06:04:06 PM  
2 votes:

BarkingUnicorn: Theaetetus: natgod: where the hell did the LAPD get 1 million spare dollars to give out for information leading to dorner?

It's apparently been raised by "private donations". Which means you apparently can now pay the police to kill someone for you.

We've always done that.


No so openly, though.

The last time anyone paid cops to deal with undesireables and anybody not directly and personally involved with the situation found out was when JP Morgan Chase made a generous "donation" to the NYPD just a few hours before Tony Baloney maced those two OWS chicks. That was a year and a half ago.

I can;t think of any other recent cases of such overt bribery of police.
2013-02-12 06:03:26 PM  
2 votes:
Ok, LAPD is coming out
2013-02-12 05:52:52 PM  
2 votes:

badhatharry: No live video. Welcome to the New America.


Please...can't show the cops riddling him full of holes when he tries to surrender, unarmed and following instructions.
2013-02-12 05:51:43 PM  
2 votes:

Aigoo: BronyMedic: Satanic_Hamster: Translation:  LAPD is shooting random citizens again.

Yeah, no. They have him cornered after shooting two deputies.

Brony, it's not often that I disagree with you, but, given the LAPD's history (and I don't just mean this past week, which is horrifying in and of itself), I'll take actual DNA evidence--since we know that there's not a snowball's chance in a Nevada summer of Dorner ever coming out of this alive anyway--of the man in that cabin over the LAPD's "belief" that it is Dorner in that cabin. Until there is an actual, positive identification of the suspect barricaded in that cabin, I'll refer to the person as "suspect." LAPD responded to a report of burglary and car theft and later allegedly learned that there was a component of possible imprisonment of two individuals (who escaped) by a black suspect who we're told shot two deputies and barricaded himself in the cabin.

I don't need to tell you that eyewitness statements are unreliable as hell and that right now, California LEO statements regarding a black man with a gun are at least twice as suspect--particularly officers associated with the LAPD. I also don't need to tell any first responder (or hell, anyone who's seen Cops in the last 20 years) that criminals do dumb shiat--and breaking into a cabin, tying up the people in the cabin, stealing a truck, shooting cops, and the barricading yourself in a cabin once you're surrounded definitely qualifies a dumb shiat... and it doesn't require a mentally unstable man who, despite his instability does have a point that bears close examination regarding corruption in modern law enforcement, to do dumb shiat and take pot shots at cops. (Disclosure: I'm related to cops and have many close friends who are cops. Dorner is crazy, he deserves a trial, not to be gunned down, but he does have a valid point that being crazy does not negate.)


The LAPD are not involved, Aigoo. This isn't even in Los Angeles County. It's in San Bernardino, and the SB County Sheriff Are handling the scene.
2013-02-12 05:50:22 PM  
2 votes:

BronyMedic: Satanic_Hamster: Translation:  LAPD is shooting random citizens again.

Yeah, no. They have him cornered after shooting two deputies.


Brony, it's not often that I disagree with you, but, given the LAPD's history (and I don't just mean this past week, which is horrifying in and of itself), I'll take actual DNA evidence--since we know that there's not a snowball's chance in a Nevada summer of Dorner ever coming out of this alive anyway--of the man in that cabin over the LAPD's "belief" that it is Dorner in that cabin. Until there is an actual, positive identification of the suspect barricaded in that cabin, I'll refer to the person as "suspect." LAPD responded to a report of burglary and car theft and later allegedly learned that there was a component of possible imprisonment of two individuals (who escaped) by a black suspect who we're told shot two deputies and barricaded himself in the cabin.

I don't need to tell you that eyewitness statements are unreliable as hell and that right now, California LEO statements regarding a black man with a gun are at least twice as suspect--particularly officers associated with the LAPD. I also don't need to tell any first responder (or hell, anyone who's seen Cops in the last 20 years) that criminals do dumb shiat--and breaking into a cabin, tying up the people in the cabin, stealing a truck, shooting cops, and the barricading yourself in a cabin once you're surrounded definitely qualifies a dumb shiat... and it doesn't require a mentally unstable man who, despite his instability does have a point that bears close examination regarding corruption in modern law enforcement, to do dumb shiat and take pot shots at cops. (Disclosure: I'm related to cops and have many close friends who are cops. Dorner is crazy, he deserves a trial, not to be gunned down, but he does have a valid point that being crazy does not negate.)
2013-02-12 05:45:47 PM  
2 votes:
Popcorn Johnny: CNN reporting that he has 2 hostages.

Nothing from CNN ever deserves to be in bold.
2013-02-12 05:35:35 PM  
2 votes:

BronyMedic: some_beer_drinker: there is a conspiracy?

Plenty of them have come out of this event. The best one I heard on FARK was that Dorner is completely innocent and just trying to save himself. The LAPD actually capped Quan and her boyfriend to frame him, and the third cop just shot himself to fake the incident.


You might want to question the seriousness of conspiracy theories proposed on fark.
2013-02-12 05:31:33 PM  
2 votes:
If I were an enterprising crook in this area, I'd be robbing whatever I can on the other side of town.
2013-02-12 05:30:52 PM  
2 votes:
Sooooo all feeds have been cut?  If you still doubt that the media is controlled by the government, your a farking moron.
2013-02-12 05:28:47 PM  
2 votes:
Practical_Draconian: "Dude is ROOTING for Dorden, calling him a hero and says he was framed by crooked cops. He also had the same view of OJ too. "

Are you really surprised that person who bases their political world-view on conspiracy theories bases their other 'beliefs' on conspiracy theories too?

/ To be fair: there is more evidence in favor of Dorner having been wronged than there is of any Amero or Agenda 21 "plot".
2013-02-12 05:25:43 PM  
2 votes:
Worst case scenario for Dorner is that he's holed up in there with a rabbit telling him to hide in the oven.
2013-02-12 05:19:29 PM  
2 votes:

LessO2: Am I hearing it right on the scanner?

No-fly zone 13,000 feet up, three miles wide?


No helicopters to see the swat team execute a cop killer
2013-02-12 05:18:09 PM  
2 votes:
On the scanner they are just asking each other over and over which cabin it is. This will not end well.
2013-02-12 05:17:53 PM  
2 votes:
I'm pretty sure the command upon a confirmed sighting will be....
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/and knowing LA media, the killing will be broadcast live
//so anybody watching this out there or online, send the kiddies to their rooms NOW!
2013-02-12 05:17:28 PM  
2 votes:

loveblondieo: bighairyguy: Called out a Code 40 on the scanner

How serious is that?


One worse than 39.
2013-02-12 05:16:31 PM  
2 votes:

rhyx: Scanner just said that press are to cut live feeds of the cabin.


Witnesses are bad, I guess.
2013-02-12 05:15:59 PM  
2 votes:
Right. Cut live feeds so nobody can see what is really happening (or really isn't happening).
2013-02-12 05:15:12 PM  
2 votes:

CheetahOlivetti: Press ordered to cut live feeds of the cabin.


WHY?
hmmmmmm
live feed would be on the TV and the bad guy could see them storming the cabin ...
hmmmmm ok ... I am fine with that.

but I hope they are recording and then will air the raid after it is done
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

and if dorner isnt there and they kill some random peeps?
death penalty for the cops ...

no wait
it is legal for cops to shoot citizens
sigh
2013-02-12 05:13:14 PM  
2 votes:
The chick on KTLA just said "they don't want him to get away at this point".

Talking heads are funny.
2013-02-12 05:10:58 PM  
2 votes:

Dubya's_Coke_Dealer: He's just exercising his second amendment rights against a corrupt government, what's the problem?


Indeed, what IS the problem? He reckoned that the status quo was unbearable, that reform was impossible, and took action directly against enforcers of the state instigating a test of arms. Now it appears that the (broadly popular?) status quo will prevail, but even so the public eye is now upon the LAPD because of their own conduct during this conflict. Reforms will almost certainly be forced upon them, saving dozens or hundreds of lives in the long term.
2013-02-12 05:09:40 PM  
2 votes:

Peaceboy: They should do what the military did with Noriega, just start playing really loud music at him.  If they blast him with Nickelback, this will all be over in minutes.


He's a black man.  Make it John Tesh, Yanni and the Crash Test Dummies.
2013-02-12 05:09:13 PM  
2 votes:

Peaceboy: They should do what the military did with Noriega, just start playing really loud music at him.  If they blast him with Nickelback, this will all be over in minutes.


We have laws against cruel and unusual punishment.
2013-02-12 05:08:02 PM  
2 votes:
See wanna-be American vigilante heros?  This is what awaits you.
2013-02-12 05:06:11 PM  
2 votes:
KFI is saying he's got hostages.

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If he's still up there, he's not as smart as I thought he was.  Not looking good for Chocolate Rambo...
2013-02-12 05:04:01 PM  
2 votes:

BronyMedic: Satanic_Hamster: Translation:  LAPD is shooting random citizens again.

Yeah, no. They have him cornered after shooting two deputies.


Yeah, sources are always right
2013-02-12 05:02:50 PM  
2 votes:

max_pooper: Raithen: ravenlore: In other words some random black dude is about to die. LAPD will later report that he was "resisting arrest"

"He refused to follow police commands, so we had to unload 2 dozen officers unload everything they had rounds at him."

Fixed for accuracy


Fortunately one round struck him and killed him. Too bad about the seventeen bystanders and five endangered species that were rendered extinct by the misses.

Seriously, did these guys go to the Palpatine School of Aiming Proficiency?
2013-02-12 05:02:40 PM  
2 votes:
For those unfamiliar with the area, Big Bear is a ski resort in the remote mountains far from Los Angeles.
2013-02-12 05:01:34 PM  
2 votes:
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/might be the last time to be able to use this
//doesn't look good for "the Man's" Boogeyman
2013-02-12 05:01:25 PM  
2 votes:
I've just got a question for everyone crying about how the LAPD is about to do this, and about to do that: When did the San Bernardino Sheriff's Department become part of the LAPD?

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