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(KNBC 4 Los Angeles) NewsFlash Possible sighting of cop-killer Chris Dorner, shots fired in Big Bear and Highway 38 closed in area for manhunt (link goes to live coverage)   (nbclosangeles.com) divider line 812
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2013-02-12 05:02:05 PM
11 votes:
There's no way to justify taking someone's life, in particular a girl and fiancee who had nothing to do with his situation.

All that being said, LAPD's reaction, in particular the shooting of the blue pickup truck, have done nothing but validate his position. It seems unlikely that someone without mental illness of some kind could commit the crimes that he has, but whatever mental illness he's suffering from he still seems completely lucid. There's nothing unreasonable in his manifesto, and the constant citing of sources and references enhance his credibility.

It seems to be a foregone conclusion that he's going to be killed not apprehended, I just hope this situation shines a VERY bright light on the LAPD. When I first read the story and then the manifesto it all seemed relatively reasonable, but seeing how the LAPD has reacted since then has convinced me there's something rotten going on.

Hopefully it's resolved without further loss of life, but I'm not holding my breath.
2013-02-12 05:33:26 PM
9 votes:

natgod: where the hell did the LAPD get 1 million spare dollars to give out for information leading to dorner?  aren't they always short on cash and cops?  would people not turn dorner in for like 10k or, you know, free?


The bounty is a lie. $1 million for information leading to Dorner's arrest.

He's not going to be arrested
2013-02-12 04:53:17 PM
8 votes:
Calling it right now that the two cops shot were hit by friendly fire.
2013-02-12 04:49:26 PM
8 votes:
A couple of dead officers isn't going to make up for what major asses the LAPD are making of themselves during all this....they've shot up a lot of innocent people without warning because they were driving the same color vehicle, or happened to be in an area related to said killer, or for whatever the fark reason.  And they're refusing to take responsibility for any of it.  They've got a million dollar bounty at, drones searching the hills, people are getting their doors kicked in without warning and searched, etc.

It's clear at this point that no one matters to the LAPD but the LAPD.  I hope he keeps evading them so the LAPD will mow a bunch of unarmed helpless civilians to show people who the REAL monster is here.
2013-02-12 04:48:02 PM
8 votes:
I know this guy is a murderer and everything, but...

I kinda like him.
2013-02-12 05:06:47 PM
7 votes:
I hope the woman that was held hostage and managed to call 911 gets the million dollar reward.
2013-02-12 05:00:57 PM
7 votes:
i.imgur.com
2013-02-12 04:49:37 PM
7 votes:

doczoidberg: I know this guy is a murderer and everything, but...

I kinda like him.


If his first two kills had been his training officer and the lawyer, as opposed to the lawyer's kid and her fiancee, he might be electable in certain parts of Cali right now.
2013-02-12 04:47:48 PM
7 votes:
As a coworker pointed out:  "They have officers from multiple agencies up there carrying around rifles and looking for Dorner.  Watch this be officer from one agency sees a black officer from another and starts a firefight."
2013-02-13 12:14:15 AM
6 votes:
Apparently, The LAPD just executed  someone, without due process, and without reason, since they knew they had whoever it was (they weren't totally sure who!) in a position they could not escape from.

if that's not evidence of Dorner's claims I don't know what is: when police don't give suspected criminals due process, they are directly pissing on our country for the sake of protecting their own. Any mafioso can claim the same. ANY of us can be a "suspect", it takes one false statement under your name, and you're  toast. Doesn't matter how likely it is, it's still anarchy, and chicken shiat, to boot.

That is all. I've got a sad, that adds to the sad I already had. Sure, it's all farked up - but the beginning of the end for the purple line (blue for the cop, red for the blood)? Not if some of you here today had it your way. The gun nuts especially like shooting first, and asking questions later i've noticed.. their blood's not worthy to water anything, especially liberty.

Expect nothing to get solved, expect a media afraid to challenge the police, expect nothing. Because it would get in the way of the legal high of being a tyrant these cops are plainly addicted to.
2013-02-12 10:58:45 PM
6 votes:

Bontesla: So what's the over/under on the body's dental records NOT being a match for Dorner's?


I absolutely guarantee the dental records will be declared a match, whether they do or not.
2013-02-13 11:57:10 AM
5 votes:
I like how they found Dorner's wallet twice.

http://articles.latimes.com/2013/feb/11/local/la-me-dorner-charges-2 01 30212

"After authorities interviewed the boat captain early Thursday, they found Dorner's wallet and identification cards "at the San Ysidro Point of Entry" near the U.S.-Mexico border, according to the court records. That same day, a guard at the Point Loma Naval Base told authorities he had spotted a man matching Dorner's description trying to sneak onto the base, according to the filing."

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/02/12/christopher-dor ne r-ex-cop-los-angeles-mexico/1912553/

"The San Bernardino County Sheriff's Office said charred human remains were found in the rubble where Christopher Dorner is said to have been cornered Tuesday. "We have reason to believe that it is him," sheriff's spokeswoman Cynthia Bachman said. A wallet with a California driver's license bearing the name Christopher Dorner also was found, the Associated Press reported, citing a law enforcement official who was briefed on the investigation but declined to be named because of the ongoing probe."

What kind of crazy fireproof material must that self-cloning wallet be made of?
2013-02-13 01:28:44 AM
5 votes:

Coelacanth: Local news is reporting that the cops didn't find Dorner's body in that burned out cabin.


TFA says it's still too hot (i.e. burning hot coals) so they haven't gone in there and scraped out the charred body yet.

My guess is the dust will settle like this:

It will be found that Dorner did not, in fact, shoot anybody in this confrontation and that the "hostage situation" earlier was made-up.  His body will be recovered from the cabin riddled with bullets and time of death will be placed well before the fire started, but cause of death will be listed as "smoke inhalation." There will be poorly-suppressed evidence that he attempted to surrender and was shot for his troubles. The fire will be blamed on suicide, then an ammunition explosion, then on the idea that the flash of gunpowder from him shooting somehow started a blaze. The police involved will be decorated as heroes.  A wrongful death suit by surviving family members will prove that the fire was caused by an armored vehicle plowing through the fireplace specifically after one of the higher-ups gave the order, "Smoke 'im out."

We won't pay attention to the SOTU address.
2013-02-13 12:44:31 AM
5 votes:

homelessdude: "We're planning for a long night"


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no they werent

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCdqybEfy9w&feature=youtu.be

"we're going to go forward with the plan, with the burners, like we talked about"
"deploy the burners, fark it, burn it down"
"burners deployed, we have a fire"

These LAPD officers are murderers, and they aren't even trying to hide it. Murderers hunting murderers... there's a reason when people hunt down the LAPD, the rest of the country cheers.

Due process in LA means the cops will shoot six or seven people while hunting you, then torch you alive... if these farkers don't end up in jail, then I'll be the first to publicly cheer for whoever kills them.
2013-02-12 07:10:09 PM
5 votes:
i48.tinypic.com
2013-02-12 06:58:31 PM
5 votes:
i47.tinypic.com
2013-02-12 05:22:47 PM
5 votes:

Felgraf: Hrist: It's clear at this point that no one matters to the LAPD but the LAPD. I hope he keeps evading them so the LAPD will mow a bunch of unarmed helpless civilians to show people who the REAL monster is here.

Uh, I'm pretty sure they're both monsters.

You know, what with his murder of a girl and her fiance soley due to their relation to a police officer he was pissed at.

/No, he hasn't admitted it.
//He just called the officer out by name in his manifesto, and stated he'd be killing the families of officers.
///Yes, the LAPD sucks and their handling of this is monstrous also.


Don't get me wrong, the guy is a huge dick.  But he is also right.  The LAPD is a bunch of corrupt dicks.  Corrupt dicks that can shoot you in the back of the head while you're handcuffed in the back of the squad car and have it called a suicide.  Corrupt dicks that can have you charged with murder because they kicked your door in and shot your two year old in the face, reasoning that if you hadn't lived at that address, they wouldn't have shot a child in the face when they got your address confused with that of a drug dealer.  Corrupt dicks that can beat you to death on live TV while you're unconscious on the ground and get away with it because they are judge jury and executioner.

I would trust this killer over the LAPD any day.  He only has what power he can take and inflict on others, but the LAPD has pretty much all the power they want.  It's like saying sure, Luke Skywalker is dangerous and kills Imperial troops for fun and profit, but in the end it's the Empire that's more likely to kill you or otherwise ruin your life.  Skywalker can only shoot you or run you through with a lightsaber, but the Empire can send you to the spice mines because you look funny.
2013-02-12 04:54:00 PM
5 votes:
He's just exercising his second amendment rights against a corrupt government, what's the problem?
2013-02-13 11:48:34 AM
4 votes:
from the timeline- - 2:20 a.m., Thursday, Feb. 7: A shuttle bus driver turns in a wallet with an LAPD badge and a picture ID of Dorner to San Diego police. The wallet was found fewer than five miles from the boat, near San Diego International Airport.

,,,aaannnnnd they found it again, next to his charred remains...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/13/christopher-dorner-drivers- li cense-id-cabin-_n_2677590.html
2013-02-13 06:13:44 AM
4 votes:
turp119
Wow they are already getting screwy with the details. No mention of them starting the fire after putting a hole in the first wall, or that them hearing a shot was well after they were waiting for him to run out the back after the other 3 walls were burning...on a side note, who's blood spatter was it they saw after the first hole?


You really expect the lapd to be honest with details.  They made sure that the media did not film the unpowered, unheated cabin, even with questionable cell coverage, because he might be watching the moves on tv.

They wanted the media not to know what exactly happened so they could create their own version.

/Suprised encrypted radios were not used.
2013-02-13 04:32:22 AM
4 votes:
What I wanna know is:  How come so many cops are using military-style weapons against a single shooter with a semi-auto?

The militarization of the police should be something EVERYONE is concerned about...not just the dumbshiat in the cabin.
2013-02-13 12:23:01 AM
4 votes:
Also, trolling aside, KTLA just went on a little rambling aside about how they're camped out at Dorner's mom's house and she keeps calling the cops every time they knock on her door, so the cops have told them to leave her alone, so they just want to make super sure she knows that when she's ready to talk, they'll be there to interview her. Then they repeated it, to make sure she got it.

Seriously, the cops probably just charbroiled her son. Let her sleep on it, for crying out loud.
2013-02-13 12:01:42 AM
4 votes:

fredklein: Now the LAPD is saying "no body" has been removed. They just can't tell the truth, can they?


well, the fog of war created much confusion in the short term.
1 person thinks there was a body, tells someone that, they repeat it, it gets on the news, now everyone thinks there was a body l.. etc etc etc

I love that the cops think that dorner should "just" give himself up.
yah
about that
even if he wasnt planning on a death by cop, is there anyway in the universe that he COULD surrender and not be beaten to death once he was in custody?
A proper solution would be a jurisdictional solution. He gives himself up to federal custody and they take him to DC.
There is no way in the universe that he could get a fair trial in CA. There is no way in the universe that he could be safe in police custody in CA.
2013-02-12 10:47:46 PM
4 votes:

Popcorn Johnny: Zeno-25: LAPD had an obligation to wait this guy out and bring him to trial.

For all we know at this point, Dorner is responsible for the fire.


The cops appear to be on tape screaming "BURN IT DOWN! BURN THE MOTHERFARKER DOWN!", so that's seeming doubtful.
2013-02-12 10:46:29 PM
4 votes:

adamatari: So, just so I'm straight on this...  "Tear gas" is code for "burn the place down", right?


No, "burn the farker down" is code for "burn the farker down".
m00
2013-02-12 10:17:03 PM
4 votes:

Canned Tamales: Well, biggest problem I see is this: constitution was written to operate as a unit. It's a piece of legal machinery. We've been violating most of it for at least a century. For example, we're not supposed to have standing armies. The Vice President is supposed to be the runner-up in the presidential election. Congress is supposed to be the one to declare war. The whole concept of precedent and judicial review was an invention after the constitution was written.

Here's the biggest one: Any power not explicitly granted to Federal Government by the Constitution should be reserved for the States.

I'm generally pro-2nd amendment, and I recognize the founders envisioned "well regulated militia" to mean specifically "everybody over the age of 18 and wants to own a gun." But that was a time of personal responsibility, where you didn't sue a University because they gave your snowflake a C. This was a world without a militarized police force; without an FBI, CIA, TSA, NSA, Homeland Security, and so forth. No SWAT teams. You could buy any drug over the counter, and it was your responsibility to use it responsibly. Unfortunately it was also a world with Slavery and lynch mobs and hangin' for stealing a horse, and completely corrupt local politics, and yellow journalism. The States also held the Federal Government hostage in a lot of different ways, and state legislators had as much, or more, power than Congressional Senators.

At this point, I think we just need another Constitutional Congr ...

You make some good observations(lack or presidential war powers is the biggie for me....he just should not have them, period), but I don't see how people are any better off with a weak bill of rights.

And yes, I am a 1st amendment fanatic (only shouting "fire", fraud by deception, and starting a riot should be illegal). I am also a 4th amendment stickler, we give way too much power to police.

I don't see how society is made any better or safer by weakening any of them.


Well... we've already given too much power to police and government, and allowed ourselves as a country to be institutionalized. Gun ownership works when everyone grows up in a household that has guns, and is taught to respect them from the age of 5, and view them as a tool just like any other. Pa has a shotgun above the fireplace, and if you touch it without his permission you get a whupin'. It's not a toy. But I would say handling a circular saw in 2013 is pretty dangerous. But you don't see kids fooling around with circular saws, because kids know it's not a toy. Our culture is broken. Kids used to have erector sets, and play with electricity with model trains, and have chemistry sets. I had a chemistry set as a kid. Could you imagine giving a kid today a chemistry set and saying "have fun Billy, try not to burn yourself." Social Services would take the kid away!

Now back during the time the Constitution was written, people used to be responsible for their own safety -- against everything from bears, to Indians, to crazed lunatics. The age of consent in many of the colonies back then was 9. NINE! At nine, you were responsible for getting yourself into/out-of sexual situations. Imagine that. But I guess at 9 you also had to defend the homestead against bear and Indian attacks if you were a boy, and as a girl you probably had a job working on the family farm. (Compare to now where people in their 20s are still children). Police were there to either keep the peace in a city, or track down high-profile murderers and bandits. As evidenced by the "snowflake meme," it's pretty clear the US is filled with completely irresponsible people who think others should take care of them. This doesn't just pertain to gun ownership -- this is everything in society, right? The 4th has been weakened because by-and-large people (who already have been conditioned to expect someone else to take care of them) require the police to catch every criminal, solve every property crime. In Jefferson's time, the prevailing wisdom was that it's better to let 100 criminals go free than convict 1 innocent man. Fast-forward to today where politicians get elected for being "tough on crime." People have chosen security over liberty, and specifically a police state with "no" crime (really the illusion of security) over a free state. This isn't my choice, I think it's clearly the wrong path. But convincing Congress to pass a law, or a judge to making a ruling, isn't going to change minds.

So I think preserving the Bill of Rights in general cannot be won in the courts. It has to be won via a popular cultural revolution -- and we've had two recently which is OWS and the Tea Party (which actually had a lot in common, but the media pit them against one another). And a successful revolution to preserve the Bill of Rights has to make accountability and responsibility and freedom paramount concepts. Unfortunately, the media is no longer an independent check-and-balance on government; it is a mouthpiece for the official line. Our media is owned by large multinational corporations (I think 7 own pretty much all news outlets). These corporations lobby government to increase their own power, and have their own agenda which does not involve government being smaller. Obviously corporations want bigger government, because they are really good at lobbying. More government power = more corporate power (this is where OWS and Tea Party intersect).  But you can't change minds via law, and you can only change law after you have changed minds.

To draw a parallel here, you know how women can't drive in Saudi Arabia? The Monarchy is pretty liberal (most are western educated)... the problem is that 70% of Saudis support women not driving. So clearly Saudi women also feel this way. So if the Monarchy did the right thing and made a law allowing women to drive, the government would cease to represent the people and there would be actual revolt and discontent against the government. So if you are pushing for women's rights in Saudi Arabia, it's not about convincing the Monarchy -- they are convinced. It's about convincing everyday people and getting that 70% down below 50%.

Likewise in the US, if we want to still have a 2nd amendment in 50 years, we need to create a culture of personal responsibility and deliberately make the choice of freedom over security. Criminals might go free, and children might have to take care of elderly parents out of their own pocket, and if you slip on a wet floor at Walmart then too bad. But unless society is collectively willing to do this, nothing in the Bill of Rights is going to matter because nobody will support the application of its concepts.
2013-02-12 10:12:55 PM
4 votes:

Canned Tamales: You make some good observations(lack or presidential war powers is the biggie for me....he just should not have them, period), but I don't see how people are any better off with a weak bill of rights.


He is still missing some of the key fundamentals for the constitution in the first place.

Our founders had a noble goal, to do their best to protect the people from tyrrany.  They knew a standing army was historically a bad thing, but knew that it may become necessary.  That is a large part of why they included the second amendment(and indeed, many of the others).  The debates at the time clearly illustrate that they themselves didn't trust government to remain as noble as they themselves tried to be.

The standing armies, in addition to the police and swat, etc, are all the more reason to not disallow citizens to possess arms of their own, according to our founders findings in studying history.  People that are physically powerless are easily stepped over, and then on,  by a tyrant.  That was the message of the day, the message of history, and indeed, still relevant in modern times.

The same goes for education.  It is a wonder, a WONDER, I say, that these people do not cry for a reduction in education for all, because the few can do abhorrent things with it and that just shouldn't happen.  That is the exact same reasoning, and again, in the past it has proven effective at keeping the people powerless.

Keep them dumb and weak.  Those are the first and foremost short term goals of anyone seeking to gain or maintain power.

Now, to counter ahead of time.  I am not crying impending doom from tyrants.  Obama isn't going to grow horns and enslave us.  But historically it does happen.  Even today around the globe some tyranical nutjob is trying to wipe out or enslave people based on their religion or bloodlines.

That people have turned government into a religion-like entity that they put unwavering faith in, is a sad facet of modern humanity.  They have buried their heads in the sand and live in fantasies of a utopia where bad stuff just cannot happen.

I think it's another manifestation of "young dumb and full of cum", that typical "it can't happen to me, that only happens to other people" phase that most kids go through, it's just that more and more people don't grow out of it, it becomes a perpetual condition on par with any other delusion.

The same kind of thinking that leads 15 year old kids to things like unwanted pregnancies, STD's, drinking alcohol so fast they kill themselves, speeding while texting and end up running over some kid when they lose control. etc.

"Government not protecting me?  Unpossible1!!11!"

Some people just never grow up.
2013-02-12 08:53:12 PM
4 votes:
I was on Reddit and got downvoted -50 karma points for saying Chuck Norris is in the burning cabin
I am at home here on Fark. Where I can make insensitive comments and be applauded for it.
2013-02-12 07:24:42 PM
4 votes:
I don't know why I don't feel good about this.  I am saddened by a deputy whose family has to grieve, now the worst day of their lives.  But this Dorner guy is a symptom of a greater problem with law enforcement perception.  This just sucks, and I can't feel happy about any of it.
2013-02-12 06:45:51 PM
4 votes:
In today's news:


Barack to speak in a big hall
Pope quits, he's done with it all
Dorner's pinned and we are glad
Un's a d!ck just like his dad

WE DIDN'T START THE FIRE....
2013-02-12 06:02:17 PM
4 votes:
Jesus can you mods stop deleting posts, you keep screwing up my clicking to page 15...
2013-02-12 05:52:50 PM
4 votes:

natgod: where the hell did the LAPD get 1 million spare dollars to give out for information leading to dorner?


It's apparently been raised by "private donations". Which means you apparently can now pay the police to kill someone for you.
2013-02-12 05:41:09 PM
4 votes:
Fox was talking about Dorner and was interviewing Mark Fuhrman about the situation.

Thats just breath-taking in its irony.
2013-02-12 05:36:34 PM
4 votes:

kombat_unit: I am referring to Monica Quan


According to all of the internet tough guys/schizophrenic conspiracy theorists on this site, it's either her fault for being born of police sperm, or she was killed in a false flag operation in order to create the pretense to take down the most brilliant man alive who happens to have all the goods on the LAPD.

And yet this incredibly sinister, ruthless, powerful cabal couldn't  plant a tracer on his truck or  keep his manifesto from hitting Wonkette.com.
2013-02-12 05:05:39 PM
4 votes:
The search is over, Montag is dead; a crime against society has been avenged.
static.guim.co.uk
/props to RB
2013-02-12 04:58:59 PM
4 votes:
If I were this guy, I wouldn't have stayed in California.  I would have thought: "What is the one place no one would think to look for an armed and crazy killer with a million dollar bounty on his head?"  and then I would have fled to either Sheriff Joe's area of Arizona or Texas.  Why?  No one would think to look for me in places where law enforcement was as extreme as those areas.

Though, with the LAPD showing themselves to be as effective as the cops in 'The Dukes of Hazard', he may live long enough to die of old age in California while racking up the highest body count outside of GTA or Call of Duty, while sending out the message that if you want a successful criminal career, California is the place for you.
2013-02-12 04:56:41 PM
4 votes:
Dorner's description to the LAPD could be anything. They mistook him for two Asian ladies.,The probably did that blood-hot wire test from The Thing back at the station. Crazy farks probably shot at some innocent truck and hit each other with the crossfire.
2013-02-12 04:56:31 PM
4 votes:

25.media.tumblr.comi0.mail.com


abhorrent1: Watching this on CNN. The way they're all acting like military experts is hilarious. "He's an expert at weak-side shooting"!



"but what I can guarantee you, Wolf, is that the DC Sniper is a white man, between 36 and 44 years of age. He's a veteran, either USMC or Army with extensive weapons training. He is employed in a job requiring physical activity. He is married. He likes activities like chess, crossword puzzles, things that stimulate the brain....."
2013-02-12 04:55:53 PM
4 votes:
probably Donner.. like I said before as much as some here wants him to be some super spy Robin Hood type with mad skillz, very calculative masterful planning and execution, IRL most guys do things with little planning and unlike Hollywood movies where the hero\villian always gets away until the last 5 minutes RL hero/villian are usually caught surprised.

The fact that donner is still in CA instead of sipping magarita in Mexico says a lot. RL is no mission impossible. There is no face mask to wear, no lamborghinis to drive, no beautiful woman to seduce and no fancy electronics to tap or hack.
2013-02-12 04:54:26 PM
4 votes:
Authorities responded to a report of a couple held hostage in a cabin, according to the San Bernardino County Sheriff's Department. The attacker stole the couple's vehicle.

Kidnapping and theft.  Wow.  What a hero.  But hey, It's those people's fault for being in Big Bear to ski or whatever when the goddamn batman needed to lay low*


*No, dipshiats, the above statement does not indicate an endorsement of the LAPD's tactics, any thin blue line culture, or the militarization of police departments across the country.  Two things can be bad simultaneously.
2013-02-12 04:47:12 PM
4 votes:
I really hope they take him alive.
2013-02-12 04:45:28 PM
4 votes:
Shots fired? Who did the cops shoot? Some couple on their way home from work?
2013-02-12 04:42:17 PM
4 votes:
surrrre, don't pick the thread with actual comments in it.
2013-02-13 03:12:57 PM
3 votes:
Interesting tidbit on the two wallets. One could assume that the earlier media reports of finding Dorner's wallet near the border was unsourced media speculation, and that his wallet wasn't found until they found it with the body.

Nope.jpg

It's in the criminal complaint:
i.imgur.com

Fulltext

I really hate to sound conspiracy minded, but this is really starting to sound like a case of "let's sprinkle some crack on him and get the hell out of here."
2013-02-13 02:59:01 AM
3 votes:
LookForTheArrow:

THIS. You cant understand this basic fact - that no matter what you allege happened or how many news stories proclaim what, tonight was a plain extra-legal execution. He was not killed in hot pursuit, he was cordoned off. you who don't understand this are probably also gun nuts - I notice they like to shoot first and ask questions later and have a sense of pride about that.


This.  My biggest concern has been the complete lack of due process during this whole ordeal.

Plus, a few days ago, someone in a position of authority---a mayor or a police officer?---referred to Dorner as a "domestic terrorist."   His actions, as awful as they were, do not qualify as domestic terrorism as I know the term.  That bothers me, too.  If they (whoever "they" may be) start broadening the definition of terrorism, pretty soon a lot of Americans who've done nothing evenly remotely terrorist-y are going to find themselves up shiat's creek.    'Cause once you're labeled a terrorist, due process is no longer assured.
2013-02-13 02:46:01 AM
3 votes:

TheJoe03: Owangotang: Fark's response: "F*CK THE POLICE, CLEARLY THEY MURDERED THIS MAN! IT'S ALL IN THEIR WORDS!"

So you think that cops should act in the same way as criminals?


THIS. You cant understand this basic fact - that no matter what you allege happened or how many news stories proclaim what, tonight was a plain extra-legal execution. He was not killed in hot pursuit, he was cordoned off. you who don't understand this are probably also gun nuts - I notice they like to shoot first and ask questions later and have a sense of pride about that.

Your blood is not worthy to water the tree of liberty, but you do a heck of job watering tyrant's trees..

And THIS:

Its [the official transcript of the event] missing quite a bit from when I was listening.  Like the cops saying to let it burn all the way down to make sure the heat gets to the basement. Of a man they dont even know for sure was him!
2013-02-13 12:59:06 AM
3 votes:
Well, if he wasn't there, and he's not dead, then he'd be a fool to keep up his crusade.  Better to slip into the background for a while, skip the country and let them say that he died in the fire.

Either way, the only way we know he's not dead is if he shows up, killing more cops out of the blue.  And then, they're likely to call it a 'copycat killer' and not Dorner.
2013-02-13 12:48:45 AM
3 votes:
Interesting that CNN was asked to stop airing a live feed (like Waco), because they said he could use the television to plan an escape. Problem with that is the owner of the cabin said it had no television, cell phone, telephone, or internet reception.
2013-02-13 12:20:43 AM
3 votes:

gregscott: "They" say you shouldn't say anything bad about the dead. So:
Dorner's dead. Good for him!

I do feel sorry for the cops that died trying to arrest him.
Odd isn't it, how comments like many of the ones above don't recognize the sadness of that, but dial 911 when they are in dire need.


They were trying real hard to arrest him when they opened fire without warning on at least 2 vehicles, one of which contained 2 women and one of which contained a white male.

Would you feel sad for the cops who died trying to execute him? Cause that;s what this whole thing seems like, especially regarding the scanner feeds where they are openly talking about burning down the cabin as planned.
2013-02-13 12:02:04 AM
3 votes:
LAPD: We found the body of Chris Dorner in the cabin.

[Takes closer look at body.]

LAPD: We did not find a body in the cabin. Nothing to see here!
2013-02-12 11:03:27 PM
3 votes:
So no messy trial, no chance to give evidence that might shed light on certain things, and any physical proof up in smoke?

Sounds legit.

There will be mafia dons wiping tears when they see this.
2013-02-12 10:57:52 PM
3 votes:

adamatari: So, just so I'm straight on this...  "Tear gas" is code for "burn the place down", right?


If you were listening to the scanner "nurn the farking place down" is code for "burn the farking place down"

The populace has been looking the other way for a long time. Even after this situation where police are on tape yet again conspiring to murder a suspect (wasn't that in Dorners manifesto also?) the populace will continue to look the other way...
2013-02-12 10:55:19 PM
3 votes:
Lynching.
2013-02-12 10:52:21 PM
3 votes:
They did it for the same reason they torched the Waco compound.  They could not afford the publicity of an open trial, and all the evidence of their wrongdoing would have come to light.
2013-02-12 10:43:25 PM
3 votes:
I don't know if Dorner did the things that people claim that he did. I do know that he did not receive a fair trial by his peers nor was he ever given an opportunity to do so. He was hunted down. Given the fact the police repeatedly opened fire on random people without confronting them first thinking it was their suspect shows that Dorner had no chance other than surrendering himself to outside authorities or just disappear.

I did read part of his manifesto and parts of it sounded sane, some didn't but I am not a professional analyst.

I would hope that a complete outside investigation into the LAPD in their handling of the situation is undertaken but I doubt it. It was a manhunt. LAPD acted as Judge, Jury and Executioner.

How is this even possible? This just makes me fear cops even more than I did before. Call an Ambulance or Firefighter if situation needed? Yes. Call for police? Depended on situation but would think twice. I don't trust them. Period.
2013-02-12 10:25:04 PM
3 votes:

Coco LaFemme: Why are some of you getting butthurt that this asshole is dead?  He killed two innocent people that had nothing to do with his beef with the LAPD.  I hope he rots in the hottest corner of Dante's Inferno.


Sometimes there are no good guys. This was one of those times.
2013-02-12 10:10:33 PM
3 votes:
Yup. Murder of perp. Execution by fire. Leave no witness's. All Farkers and Redditors are to be stalked down one by one and executed.

Some comment from elsewhere

He didn't set the house on fire, I and a bunch of other people have been listening to the scanner. About 20 minutes before the fire was set the police said they were going to go ahead with the "burners" then. Then later they said they had set fire to #1 and #2 which were references to the sides of the house. They didn't set the back on fire.

EDIT: Since most people are seeing this first, here are the posts I made in regards to my comment: http://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/18ef8e/christopher_dorner_in _gun_battle_with_authorities/c8e6d19?context=3

Here is also a timestamp of when it happened so if you get your hands on audio, you have an idea of what time to look for. This is in PST: http://i.imgur.com/y7fpSWk.png

EDIT 2: Audio of police allegedly saying "burn it down": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNk-bV40XMc&feature=youtu.be

2013-02-12 09:53:54 PM
3 votes:

MrHappyRotter: CBS news is saying it's official: High level sources confirming Dorner's body has been recovered from the burned down cabin.


High level sources also confirmed that Bin Ladin died in the bombing at Tora Bora.
2013-02-12 09:48:49 PM
3 votes:

cretinbob: shower_in_my_socks: How much you wanna bet that this goes full-Sandy-style with the media misinformation, and we find out later that the truck wasn't stolen, and nobody was in the house? Cable news cannot be trusted to get anything correct, unless it's with 20/20 hindsight.

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You are expecting them to know what happened before it does maybe?



I'm expecting them to know what happened BEFORE THEY REPORT IT.
2013-02-12 09:36:39 PM
3 votes:

Thingster: Bonanza Jellybean: LAPD set the fire intentionally:

Link

I called the place going up in flames as soon as the news said he was believed to be in a cabin.

Unwritten SOP


No evidence, no statements at trial, and no writings left behind.

Circle wagons, buttress the Blue Wall of Silence, and wait for the news cycle to bury the entire thing leaving behind nothing but Hero Cop Martyrs.
2013-02-12 09:28:43 PM
3 votes:
LAPD set the fire intentionally:

Link
2013-02-12 09:19:06 PM
3 votes:
Oh man, all you pro/anti-gun people are farking douchebags.
2013-02-12 09:02:04 PM
3 votes:

udhq: BraveNewCheneyWorld: Fubar: BraveNewCheneyWorld: Fubar: You nutcases always seem to forget the "well regulated" part

You should probably look up what "well regulated" meant when the 2nd amendment was written, because it has nothing to do with being regulated by the government, it's closer to being "well supplied in working order".  But who am I kidding, you already know that, but you just want to perpetuate a lie.

Nice...  You can spin anything to fit your preconceived views.  Like, say, requiring a better background check and gun registry wouldn't lower gun violence.

Good job, LaPierre would be proud.

Spin?  It's a fact.

The following are taken from the  Oxford English Dictionary, and bracket in time the writing of the 2nd amendment:

1709: "If a liberal Education has formed in us  well-regulated Appetites and worthy Inclinations."
1714: "The practice of all  well-regulated courts of justice in the world."
1812: "The equation of time ... is the adjustment of the difference of time as shown by a  well-regulated clock and a true sun dial."
1848: "A remissness for which I am sure every  well-regulated person will blame the Mayor."
1862: "It appeared to her  well-regulated mind, like a clandestine proceeding."
1894: "The newspaper, a never wanting adjunct to every  well-regulated American embryo city."
The phrase "well-regulated" was in common use long before 1789, and remained so for a century thereafter. It referred to the property of something being in proper working order. Something that was well-regulated was calibrated correctly, functioning as expected. Establishing government oversight of the people's arms was not only not the intent in using the phrase in the 2nd amendment, it was precisely to render the government powerless to do so that the founders wrote it.

Case law or GTFO.


"shiat, he proved me wrong"  GET DIFFERENT EVIDENCE FOR ME BRAVENEWCHENEYWORLD!!!

/you're pathetic
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-02-12 09:00:56 PM
3 votes:
farkING NANCY GRACE

SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP.

YOU farkING LOUDMOUTHED biatch.

AAARGGGH!!
2013-02-12 08:48:56 PM
3 votes:

Fubar: BraveNewCheneyWorld: Fubar: You nutcases always seem to forget the "well regulated" part

You should probably look up what "well regulated" meant when the 2nd amendment was written, because it has nothing to do with being regulated by the government, it's closer to being "well supplied in working order".  But who am I kidding, you already know that, but you just want to perpetuate a lie.

Nice...  You can spin anything to fit your preconceived views.  Like, say, requiring a better background check and gun registry wouldn't lower gun violence.

Good job, LaPierre would be proud.


Spin?  It's a fact.

The following are taken from the  Oxford English Dictionary, and bracket in time the writing of the 2nd amendment:

1709: "If a liberal Education has formed in us  well-regulated Appetites and worthy Inclinations."
1714: "The practice of all  well-regulated courts of justice in the world."
1812: "The equation of time ... is the adjustment of the difference of time as shown by a  well-regulated clock and a true sun dial."
1848: "A remissness for which I am sure every  well-regulated person will blame the Mayor."
1862: "It appeared to her  well-regulated mind, like a clandestine proceeding."
1894: "The newspaper, a never wanting adjunct to every  well-regulated American embryo city."
The phrase "well-regulated" was in common use long before 1789, and remained so for a century thereafter. It referred to the property of something being in proper working order. Something that was well-regulated was calibrated correctly, functioning as expected. Establishing government oversight of the people's arms was not only not the intent in using the phrase in the 2nd amendment, it was precisely to render the government powerless to do so that the founders wrote it.
2013-02-12 08:34:49 PM
3 votes:

HotIgneous Intruder: Canned Tamales: You're pathetic, loserbiatch.

Don't worry. You'll live on until you die and and your fear will evaporate into oblivion and the national demographics with shift and it will get done. Guns will be regulated such that peopel don't get killed every day with them.


Ah, the "old and irrelevant" argument.  Nice.  There is some truth to what you say, but I'm not sure it's a good thing.  Yes, the world is full of cowards who crave only safety and dependence.  Some people, including both criminals and government enforcers, will never give them up, but some are happier that the mass of humanity is "less than"....completely unable to resist evil or force if it comes to it.  Unable to take the same responsibilities that you trust your keepers with.

Bully for you, Mr. Guy of the Future, bully for you.  You will conquer the beast and live in peace!

...of course, there are almost as many guns as people in the US, and not everyone is willing to trust their protection and freedom to the powers that be....it might take a while longer than you think....

Certainly more than a lifetime or two.  I think gun owners will still be gun owners long after I'm dead.  And I have no problem with that, since most of them are far better people than those who wish to impose their will.

Goddamn, I've been a liberal since high school, but was I ever as naive and worthless as you assholes?
2013-02-12 08:34:43 PM
3 votes:
I trust the scanners way more than CNN, etc.
2013-02-12 08:34:38 PM
3 votes:

super_grass: DubyaHater: I have really enjoyed the Fark Tactical Response Team's analysis to the police presence at the cabin. You guys have real insight into the situation from your mother's basement. Maybe the police department should have this thread on auto-update so they can follow the orders of Farkers who are following the news and surfing trap porn.
Frankly,the cop-hating on this website is sickening. You guys want to discuss the "corruption" of the LAPD with only information gleaned from a madman who has killed quite a few people already. If you guys are so sick of "police corruption", pick up a firearm and patrol your town. I imagine most of you would piss yourselves in a firefight inside a burning building.
And for the the Farkers who "can't feel sympathy for dead cops". There's a child somewhere tonight who lost a parent. I assume most all of you didn't have a parent finish their career in a body bag.
Good job guys. You've made 4chan and FreeRepublic seem normal tonight.

We're self-proclaimed experts with a vast knowledge about gorilla warfare, automatic assault revolvers  and movie renditions of marine core training.


Gorillas are intelligent and peaceful.  Chimpanzees on the other hand.  Those farkers are brutal.
2013-02-12 08:30:07 PM
3 votes:
I have really enjoyed the Fark Tactical Response Team's analysis to the police presence at the cabin. You guys have real insight into the situation from your mother's basement. Maybe the police department should have this thread on auto-update so they can follow the orders of Farkers who are following the news and surfing trap porn.
Frankly,the cop-hating on this website is sickening. You guys want to discuss the "corruption" of the LAPD with only information gleaned from a madman who has killed quite a few people already. If you guys are so sick of "police corruption", pick up a firearm and patrol your town. I imagine most of you would piss yourselves in a firefight inside a burning building.
And for the the Farkers who "can't feel sympathy for dead cops". There's a child somewhere tonight who lost a parent. I assume most all of you didn't have a parent finish their career in a body bag.
Good job guys. You've made 4chan and FreeRepublic seem normal tonight.
2013-02-12 08:27:20 PM
3 votes:
If people are serious about these scanner feeds claiming that the cops started the fire--you better farking be recording those feeds.
2013-02-12 08:19:57 PM
3 votes:

100 Watt Walrus: All you farkwits making pope jokes in the last 30 minutes, you might consider skimming the farking thread in the future, so as not to make an ass of yourselves.


i0.kym-cdn.com
2013-02-12 08:07:00 PM
3 votes:
Scanner: To team clearing other buildings, "be extra careful of blue-on-blue"

I  think that's code for "please don't shoot each other".
2013-02-12 07:35:36 PM
3 votes:
Seen outside...

filmgrab.files.wordpress.com
2013-02-12 07:11:37 PM
3 votes:
i1172.photobucket.com
2013-02-12 07:03:06 PM
3 votes:

Noticeably F.A.T.: The side of the road is very rarely the time or place to fight the police. Take that to court.


Same with rapists.  Don't even argue with them in the bedroom.  Take that to court afterwards.
2013-02-12 06:48:47 PM
3 votes:
I think the real story here is LAPD are cowardly asses who silence opposition, in a shroud of secrecy while THEY kill innocent people and buy wave runners from the "overtime" that causes - that would make anyone snap.

you dont want to excuse dorner that's fine. you want to excuse the LAPD in this slick PR they're trying to run. fark YOU.
2013-02-12 06:26:38 PM
3 votes:

digistil: Another LAPD officer just posted a manifesto similar to Dorner's. I shiat you not.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mobileweb/2013/02/12/joe-jones-manifest o -christopher-dorner_n_2670513.html?ncid=edlinkusaolp00000003


Jebus Habeus Corpus, can people stop saying manifesto = heated prose?  In the same way that we use 'regime' to slant conversations about governments, the media has taken to 'manifesto' and 'screed' to instantly ad hominem any divergent published document.
2013-02-12 06:20:34 PM
3 votes:
i.huffpost.com
2013-02-12 05:52:35 PM
3 votes:
If this turns out NOT to be Dorner, I'm gonna sh*t myself laughing.
2013-02-12 05:50:17 PM
3 votes:

TeDDD: Hrist: Felgraf: Hrist: It's clear at this point that no one matters to the LAPD but the LAPD. I hope he keeps evading them so the LAPD will mow a bunch of unarmed helpless civilians to show people who the REAL monster is here.

Uh, I'm pretty sure they're both monsters.

You know, what with his murder of a girl and her fiance soley due to their relation to a police officer he was pissed at.

/No, he hasn't admitted it.
//He just called the officer out by name in his manifesto, and stated he'd be killing the families of officers.
///Yes, the LAPD sucks and their handling of this is monstrous also.

Don't get me wrong, the guy is a huge dick.  But he is also right.  The LAPD is a bunch of corrupt dicks.  Corrupt dicks that can shoot you in the back of the head while you're handcuffed in the back of the squad car and have it called a suicide.  Corrupt dicks that can have you charged with murder because they kicked your door in and shot your two year old in the face, reasoning that if you hadn't lived at that address, they wouldn't have shot a child in the face when they got your address confused with that of a drug dealer.  Corrupt dicks that can beat you to death on live TV while you're unconscious on the ground and get away with it because they are judge jury and executioner.

I would trust this killer over the LAPD any day.  He only has what power he can take and inflict on others, but the LAPD has pretty much all the power they want.  It's like saying sure, Luke Skywalker is dangerous and kills Imperial troops for fun and profit, but in the end it's the Empire that's more likely to kill you or otherwise ruin your life.  Skywalker can only shoot you or run you through with a lightsaber, but the Empire can send you to the spice mines because you look funny.

I missed the part of Star Wars where Luke took a detour to Coruscant to kill some Stormtroopers' kid.  That must have really shown the Empire.

I get that you're trying to talk about relative levels of awful, but ...


I don't condone him murdering people at all, but we all know it would eventually come to this.  Deep down, somewhere in our minds.  The LAPD is too big to change.  It will never change by legal methods.  Remember that person from Kansas City that released those tapes and pictures showing the corruption of their prison system and police force?  Yeah, they ended up moving far far away and changing their identity because they didn't feel like they could remain in the area and not be murdered in the night.  No local news would report on it because they didn't want 'The Force' to come down on them.  It was covered up, it was hush hush, and no one talked about it.  This is how most places will deal with reports of corruption.  In the extreme case the FBI or so might get involved, it's easy to put on a pretty face and look good for a couple of days before going right back to your shiat.

My suggestion?  A Presidential task force assigned to root out and fix police corruption.  People with no connection whatsoever to who/what they'll be investigating.  People who are paid VERY well and who aren't afraid to break out some shovels and dig up that buried paperwork, or interview people at prisons, or put detectives and police captains and police chiefs in the interrogation room on the wrong side of the table.

This event is a warning.  Kind of like when you have to shiat really really bad and can usually tell by that first horrible fart.  That's what this is.  Right now it is only the underpants taking the brunt of the blow (no pun intended) but soon everything around you will be in danger if you don't get to the bathroom.  Just like with the last big school shooting spurring a rash of public and school shootings, this will spawn a bunch of 'me too' killers that have been wronged by the police and want revenge.

If you told me ten years ago that I would have some sympathy for a guy who runs around murdering cops because he was wronged by them I would have called bullshiat.  Now, with all the shiat I've heard in the past few years about police corruption, there is sympathy.  Just a little, but it's there.  Everyone that is injured here is a casualty of police corruption, not to mention countless people in the past who have been cops or have interacted with them.
2013-02-12 05:28:51 PM
3 votes:

Coco LaFemme: I hope the final word on this story includes the sentence, "Christopher Dorner was killed in a hail of gunfire."


I hope they take him alive.

It would be delicious to have that bit of schadenfreude to throw in the conspiracy theorist's faces.
2013-02-12 05:22:49 PM
3 votes:
News copters being asked to leave the area... because the LAPD doesn't want to be caught on camera putting a round in his temple at close range.
2013-02-12 05:22:39 PM
3 votes:
Poor hostages, I have no doubt their safety is high on the priority list.  :(
2013-02-12 05:09:44 PM
3 votes:

BronyMedic: doglover: shiat man, those are staties.

San Bernardino Sheriff. The uniforms give it away. (Patches/Colors)


I'm tellin' ya son, I got 99 problems but San Bernidino ain't one.


Seriously though, what I don't care about California could fill a book. I'm not learning their cop uniforms. Especially not since they're associates, however distant, of the LAPD and they've gone after Dorner only. Where are names and faces and dismissals of the idiots who lit up the nees truck. Dorner is just a psycopath. Any department can and will stop psychopaths ASAP.

Those idiots who shot the truck up? They need a boot off the force.
2013-02-12 05:08:40 PM
3 votes:

carnifex2005: I really hope they take him alive.


He will commit suicide.

/in the back of the squad car, handcuffed, by shooting himself in the head 24 times.
2013-02-12 05:06:17 PM
3 votes:
Seen fleeing the Big Bear area:

funnythingspeoplesayaboutsports.com
2013-02-12 05:06:17 PM
3 votes:
Tip to LA residents - if you want the cops to respond quickly to your 911 call simply add "I think it was Chris Dorner!" to any call you place until they catch this guy.
2013-02-12 05:01:08 PM
3 votes:
A slim chance this guy would ever surrender multiplied by the slim chance the police would even accept his surrender at this point means this guy has zero chance of being brought in alive.
2013-02-12 04:59:44 PM
3 votes:

Supes: Calling it right now that the two cops shot were hit by friendly fire.


If you are right, you'll probably never know (they wouldn't admit to it).
2013-02-12 04:59:25 PM
3 votes:

ravenlore: In other words some random black dude is about to die. LAPD will later report that he was "resisting arrest"


What do you mean, "later"?  They have those stories preprinted and ready to do, just a blank space for the victim's name.  HR is responsible for printing off a fresh stack every Monday morning.
2013-02-12 04:58:31 PM
3 votes:

boozehat: Since when did the LAPD get Ruger Mini-30's??

[l.yimg.com image 850x567]


Because they aren't LAPD.

LAPD uniforms are black/navy.

Or looking at the patches could have told you that.
2013-02-12 04:55:20 PM
3 votes:
Translation:  LAPD is shooting random citizens again.
2013-02-12 04:48:06 PM
3 votes:
In other words some random black dude is about to die. LAPD will later report that he was "resisting arrest"
2013-02-12 04:45:14 PM
3 votes:
Breaking news coverage, the root canal of televised journalism...
2013-02-13 07:23:30 AM
2 votes:
And America loses another great hero.

RIP, Dorner.  Hopefully it wasn't all for nothing.
2013-02-13 03:45:53 AM
2 votes:

Popcorn Johnny: ShawnDoc: 7 burners have deployed and we have a fire.

"Burner" is a slang term for a tear gas canister, faking hell people.


As I understand it, "burner" is a term for an incendiary tear gas canister.  Seems there's another type that doesn't burn.  The fireworks would certainly help move people out the area, but it doesn't seem prudent to use burners in an 85 year-old wooden cabin.  Perhaps that's all they had, though.

Earlier, I thought someone said they used flash-bangs too.  Those will definitely start a fire.  But I don't think a flash-bang would be used unless the cops were breaking down the door.
2013-02-13 03:45:06 AM
2 votes:

Popcorn Johnny: ShawnDoc: 7 burners have deployed and we have a fire.

"Burner" is a slang term for a tear gas canister, faking hell people.


They don't seem surprised when the fire starts.  You'd think they'd be surprised if it wasn't planned.
"7 burners have deployed and we have a fire."

Not to mention this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNk-bV40XMc
2013-02-13 03:42:51 AM
2 votes:

links136: My guess is that instead of putting the lawyer who sold him out to the police, he figured the worst punishment for him would be to take his daughter's life.


Which is weird. On the other hand, men kill women all the time out of jealousy or rejection. I'm not saying there is more to that story but I wouldn't be surprised if there was.

i.i.com.com
2013-02-13 03:27:48 AM
2 votes:

Owangotang: LookForTheArrow: You cant understand this basic fact - that no matter what you allege happened or how many news stories proclaim what, tonight was a plain extra-legal execution.

Looked like one morally bankrupt out-of-control force taking out another morally bankrupt out-of-control force to me. It's hard to avoid deadly force when the target brags about things like asymetrical farking warfare.

Where is the outrage for Dorner's victims? Even if you are so jaded that you feel his killing cops is OK, what about Monica Quan and her fiance?


There's plenty of outrage for Dorner's victims, but I don't think holding society's "protectors" to a higher standard is unreasonable.
2013-02-13 03:03:56 AM
2 votes:
Do any of us on fark know this guy? Even second hand? Can anyone truly judge this guys character?

Let me ask: How is this guy any different than a regular 2nd amendment thumper?

Except this guy had the balls to do what he believed. This guy actually thought his name. His life. His freedom was undermined and he backed up his words with action.

No, really. Check this out. Any time someone threatens the status quo we throw the insane label on them. They're crazy! Right? But, what if he wasn't? What if this guy was just like all the other people all over the Bible Belt saying that if someone comes for their freedom or their guns they will shoot first and ask questions later bc by God they have that 2nd amendment?

I know what you're gonna say. The 2nd doesn't give anyone the right to murder. But, then what is a gun for? If not to kill? How does one actually change a system that has truly thrown everyone overboard? The first person to start firing will always be labeled crazy or insane by the sheep too afraid to stand up and stand out.
2013-02-13 02:56:23 AM
2 votes:

studebaker hoch: Holy crap they burned him alive?

/I guess it was the only way to be sure.


Except they're still not sure.
2013-02-13 01:53:50 AM
2 votes:

Aigoo: udhq: BraveNewCheneyWorld: udhq: Nope.  Sorry.  You're absolutely, objectively wrong.

Our legal interpretations in this country come from the judiciary, not the OED, and no court has ever suggested any meaning of "well regulated" other than what any literate person--who's not a self-serving, gun-nut--knows those words to mean.

It takes a special kind of willful ignorance to argue that the legal system is not founded upon standardization of definitions. I see you're going the "repeat a lie and it becomes truth" method. Well, have fun with that, I'm sure you'll convince someone that the meaning of "well regulated" during the time the 2nd amendment was written is irrelevant to how it should be interpreted today.

So why are you trying to use a definition that is specific to British English to interpret our laws, when American English was almost 200 years old and almost completely distinct by the time of the drafting of the constitution?

Wrong thread for this argument, but since you want to have it and have it here, why are you using a modern definition when the English language changes dramatically over time? 90 years ago, the word "gay" did not refer to homosexuality and wasn't used in a derogatory fashion, but today, it is.

So let's play a substitution game. In context of the original language of the Amendment, without the benefit of the judicial, let a common layman decide--as is our custom in this country when it comes to the ratification of the Constitution--which makes more sense. Try to keep in mind that Jefferson, who wrote the final Amendment as it stands today, racist though he was, also wrote the Declaration of Independence and was an advocate of great personal liberty, minimal government interference in the lives of citizens, and the necessity of the people to stand against and prevent tyranny--by peaceful means whenever and wherever possible, by the shedding of blood when all peaceful means had been exhausted and proved inadequate.

modern definition:
...


The 2nd amendment was included to reassure Virginia that they would be allowed to keep their semi-mandatory runaway-slave patrols, no more, no less, to preserve the fragile beginnings of the union.

There was never any desire to make gun ownership part of the DNA of the country. It wasnt anything patriotic. It isnt a "heritage" thing. It wasn't perceived as a fundamental right. It was just a compromise specifically worded to get Virginia to remain with the program, given the specific circumstances the late 18th century. They (Virginia) feared that the federal government, if given the sole authority to arm militias, would undermine the slave patrols by not arming them well enough, and thereby defeating slavery in a "sneaky" backdoor way. Reading all the revisions of the amendment, and the authors debates, renders most of the tea-party's goofy claims about the amendment pointless.

Without a current danger of runaway slaves, there is no more need for the 2nd amendment. And that is not anti-american. And the founding fathers would have been perfectly happy to have not had to include it just to pacify some slaveholders in the south. The non slave-state founding fathers that is.
2013-02-13 01:46:23 AM
2 votes:

lousyskater: If for some reason this hasn't been posted yet:  http://forums.rimoftheworld.net/showthread.php?12312-Car-Jacking-Big- B ear

It's all the scanner chatter transcribed.


Thanks for that. It's all really clear, actually. And yes, they did absolutely burn that place down. Also interesting that LAPD SWAT showed up uninvited. That is mind-bogglingly wrong.
2013-02-13 01:40:50 AM
2 votes:

BarkingUnicorn: lousyskater: If for some reason this hasn't been posted yet:  http://forums.rimoftheworld.net/showthread.php?12312-Car-Jacking-Big- B ear

It's all the scanner chatter transcribed.

That is the most bizarre transcription I have ever seen.  I'll wait until someone does it right.


It was being transcribed as it happened. I actually heard most of it on the scanner myself as well.
2013-02-13 01:16:33 AM
2 votes:
Local news is reporting that the cops didn't find Dorner's body in that burned out cabin.
2013-02-13 01:12:13 AM
2 votes:

yagottabefarkinkiddinme: I'm rather upset the guy is dead. Something was obviously going on for him, either entirely in his head, genuinely rooted in reality, or some combination thereof and we will never have a chance to understand what. It's a travesty. I'm so tired of people who think that someone who 'snaps' just needs to put down when there is a legitimate chance that the issue is mental they deserve the chance to get help.

I can understand how you feel about mentally helping him, however at what body count of people trying to help him? He was killing and injuring too many people not to be stopped. He could have called in the FBI to meet him while he was on the run to turn himself in and gain federal protection. Dorner could have hired and attorney and sat down together at the FBI to peacefully investigate his firing. Dorner didn't do that.

He sold us a story about being wronged and wanted us on his side. He wrote a raving manifesto telling us how he was going to kill cops and their families...and go to war with them. Dorner chose warfare.

When the LEO's chose their lives over someone's property because their was a well armed and well trained cop killer inside who declaired war...I cannot fault them for burning down the house.

Dorner either had a mental breakdown on his own and that is why he was fired, or he snapped after getting fired. Instead of going postal inside his former workplace, he took his show on the road. Dorner isn't a folk hero. He was a disgruntled worker with a deep desire to kill.


I would never call him a hero, but at some point the system failed this guy. And it pisses me off that so few people seem to be able to utter an ounce of empathy. That stuff that does down in our world is not as black and white as people like to think and I'm tired of society trying to treat the problem and never the symptoms... it just frustrates me to no end.
2013-02-13 01:08:42 AM
2 votes:

davidphogan: g4lt: Right, no point in planting something if YOU'RE the one "finding" it.  Better to keep people away from the scene as long as possible, then have someone else come in and find the plant.  Fewer questions that way.  While the LAPD gives the Keystone Kops a run for their money, planting evidence is second nature to them by now.

/why yes, I AM a Reynolds shareholder, why do you ask?

Wasn't it the Torrance police who shot the innocent people?  I know the history of the LAPD, but you really think another agency will just let them walk in and change a scene?

The guy made it pretty clear in his manifesto that he wasn't planning to live through this.  Why is it less than likely he just killed himself?


The TPD was responsible for the shooting that missed actually wounding the surfer.  The LAPD hit the newspaper delivery truck and put people into the hospital.  So sort of, the difference is that the LAPD was slightly better marksmen while being too stupid to pour piss out of a boot with instructions on the heel.
2013-02-13 01:00:49 AM
2 votes:
Who exactly killed him? Something tells me if the American government can not keep the identities of SEAL members secret  those cops just put themselves horrible situation. Pretty clear they murdered someone.Maybe not  even Dorner. So I'm guessing those who burnt the place down get put in witness protection or  end up facing the same fate that caused Dorner to lose his sanity to begin with.
2013-02-13 12:58:52 AM
2 votes:

firefly212: homelessdude: "We're planning for a long night"


[s20.postimage.org image 650x367]

no they werent

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCdqybEfy9w&feature=youtu.be

"we're going to go forward with the plan, with the burners, like we talked about"
"deploy the burners, fark it, burn it down"
"burners deployed, we have a fire"

These LAPD officers are murderers, and they aren't even trying to hide it. Murderers hunting murderers... there's a reason when people hunt down the LAPD, the rest of the country cheers.

Due process in LA means the cops will shoot six or seven people while hunting you, then torch you alive... if these farkers don't end up in jail, then I'll be the first to publicly cheer for whoever kills them.


Wow.

JUST FARKING WOW


Surrender your guns, America
Law enforcement will protect you

2013-02-13 12:52:13 AM
2 votes:

thisisarepeat: Coelacanth: thisisarepeat: LaughingRadish: How's this for a wild idea?  Dorner was long gone before the cops even got to the cabin.  He set some trap guns to fire on anyone opening the door, confident that the cops would likely be by soon.  Once a shot was fired, the cops would shoot at each other from opposite sides of the building, each thinking the bullets were coming from inside.  Then they burn the cabin down and, presto, no body.

Thermal optics could detect a body inside the house, but we are talking about cops, they seem to be immune to to common sense/competence.


I used to live in that area. The cops we had there at the time made Deputy Fife look like Clint Eastwood. But the fire policy that's in place is that if a cabin in the woods catches on fire, the firemen will try to stop the fire from spreading to the neighboring woods and other structures. As a matter of fact, back in 1973, a high school homecoming queen was raped and hogtied and left in a cabin that was then set on fire. I don't know if she could've been rescued, but all the usable evidence was burned up.

Niiiice, they better put more manpower on drug crime property seizures if they are going to staff that man hunt.  No manhunt?  so she wasnt a cop/related to a cop then.  sucks to be her.



Some of the suspects were related to local cops and firemen.
2013-02-13 12:51:54 AM
2 votes:
Popcorn Johnny: No body has been found

I would expect skeletal remains at least, a good chunk of torso and head at the most. It wasn't a hot fire (from what I saw), and I'm not sure how long it burned, but he wasn't completely incinerated.
2013-02-13 12:46:29 AM
2 votes:

Dubya's_Coke_Dealer: He's just exercising his second amendment rights against a corrupt government, what's the problem?


best.Comment.EVAR.
2013-02-13 12:31:35 AM
2 votes:

Fark Rye For Many Whores: How does anyone have a conversation in these threads, in the time I'm typing 100 people have yelled at each other 200 times.


Welcome to Fark (no snark, really), so I'd recommend just skimming through and finding either a poster or theme you wish to get into.
2013-02-13 12:20:52 AM
2 votes:

pedrop357: Doesn't matter.  Everything they do after will be justified as a "post Dorner" response to aggression against the police.  We're all potential Dorners now.


That attitude would only lead to another LA riot type situation. LA is one of the few places were a substantial amount of the population roots for a cop killer, mainly because that department deserves whatever bad things they get. Few incidents truly show how little the police in SoCal are respected and cared about, and few incidents show exactly why people feel that way. LA cops are thugs and their response to this whole situation lets all of America know that.
2013-02-13 12:01:52 AM
2 votes:

p the boiler: Coastalgrl: Got a question for people out there.

It seems that many people can agree that LAPD is corrupt and has serious problems. Problems that have been clearly demonstrated in the past. Presently, these problems have escalated into firing on their own citizens that they are supposed to 'serve and protect' while on a frantic manhunt.

Is there a statute to replace an entire police department? Can a police department be disbanded and responsibilities be split between surrounding communities? To take it a scary step further, can the military take over a corrupt police department that is hell bent on killing citizens, innocent or otherwise?

If I'm not mistaken the federal government threatened to take over the Chicago PD during the mob glory years because of the corruption.



Detroit has been under federal oversight since 2003.  Oakland just narrowly avoided being the same way.
2013-02-12 11:59:38 PM
2 votes:

Coastalgrl: Got a question for people out there.

It seems that many people can agree that LAPD is corrupt and has serious problems. Problems that have been clearly demonstrated in the past. Presently, these problems have escalated into firing on their own citizens that they are supposed to 'serve and protect' while on a frantic manhunt.

Is there a statute to replace an entire police department? Can a police department be disbanded and responsibilities be split between surrounding communities? To take it a scary step further, can the military take over a corrupt police department that is hell bent on killing citizens, innocent or otherwise?


If I'm not mistaken the federal government threatened to take over the Chicago PD during the mob glory years because of the corruption.
2013-02-12 11:56:27 PM
2 votes:

thisisarepeat: LaughingRadish: How's this for a wild idea?  Dorner was long gone before the cops even got to the cabin.  He set some trap guns to fire on anyone opening the door, confident that the cops would likely be by soon.  Once a shot was fired, the cops would shoot at each other from opposite sides of the building, each thinking the bullets were coming from inside.  Then they burn the cabin down and, presto, no body.

Thermal optics could detect a body inside the house, but we are talking about cops, they seem to be immune to to common sense/competence.



I used to live in that area. The cops we had there at the time made Deputy Fife look like Clint Eastwood. But the fire policy that's in place is that if a cabin in the woods catches on fire, the firemen will try to stop the fire from spreading to the neighboring woods and other structures. As a matter of fact, back in 1973, a high school homecoming queen was raped and hogtied and left in a cabin that was then set on fire. I don't know if she could've been rescued, but all the usable evidence was burned up.
2013-02-12 11:55:15 PM
2 votes:

tychno: Does this mean the LAPD will stop shooting at innocent people now?


No, of course not.  That's what they have always done, and that's what they always will do.
2013-02-12 11:41:12 PM
2 votes:

fredklein: Now the LAPD is saying "no body" has been removed. They just can't tell the truth, can they?


I think they're still deciding what the best "truth" might be.
2013-02-12 11:26:55 PM
2 votes:
I have a list of people that threaten/brag about being willfully ignorant (using ignore)  its pink for pussy.
2013-02-12 11:21:42 PM
2 votes:

Popcorn Johnny: tshauk: I don't know, but the news anchors are sticking by their sources and keep saying they have a body....soooo

Some of you try to claim conspiracies when there's absolutely no reason for one to exist.  What would possibly be gained by lying about whether or not a body had been found yet?


Well it could be that the body was obviously not that of a 270lb man.
Someone might not want to let that out until they have a good story for why.
2013-02-12 11:17:29 PM
2 votes:
I'm not a conspiracy nut job but... I heard this on the scanner, and someone actually captured it. Talks about going ahead with the plan, the burn.

Gets interesting around 29:00, at 29:30ish is the wtf moment.  I heard this a little before 7pm est.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=fbc_1360721946
2013-02-12 11:11:48 PM
2 votes:

homelessdude: m00: So they think he escaped? Why would it be a long night in the woods in the cold  if they got him?

The news people don't know and the police aren't saying.

About all we can be certain of is that a
- 1 Cop killed
- 1 Cop in surgery; should be ok
- Cabin on fire
- Dorner not known if in the cabin or even at the scene.
- Cabin is on fire and almost burned out.

Other than that, its all speculation.


you left out: a HUGE expenditure of man hours
I would love to see what the cost of that circus was.

and when was the last time that much money was spent on tracking down the murderer of a civilian ...

/farking royalty in america
2013-02-12 11:02:22 PM
2 votes:

freewill: MaliFinn: Maybe in LA, but elsewhere people don't care much.  And that's fine, as long as it stays local.  They control local.

Eh, we hit several local restaurants in upstate NY for Fat Tuesday parties. This was on the big screen at every bar, and there was open discussion of the cops setting it with little disagreement. That was before there was video of them screaming "BURN IT DOWN". I'm assuming much of the country is the same.


Fat Tuesday.  Drunk people.  SOTU address.  If there was ever a time to kill people with everyone else not caring, this was it.  Also, I noticed nobody mentioned the other murders that took place tonight.
2013-02-12 10:55:30 PM
2 votes:
Well.  This thread is something.
2013-02-12 10:50:50 PM
2 votes:

Popcorn Johnny: Zeno-25: LAPD had an obligation to wait this guy out and bring him to trial.

For all we know at this point, Dorner is responsible for the fire.


Oh yeah, everyone knows the first thing you do in a defensive position is set ALL of your cover on fire.

You may not know, but I've seen this one before.
2013-02-12 10:50:41 PM
2 votes:

Popcorn Johnny: Thingster: Except the whole cops yelling to torch the motherfarker, as recorded?

I listened to everything, that was never said.


I would be easier for you to hear if you weren't down on the ground licking a cop's boot.
2013-02-12 10:47:27 PM
2 votes:

Bontesla: So what's the over/under on the body's dental records NOT being a match for Dorner's?


As if we would ever find out.
2013-02-12 10:32:49 PM
2 votes:

Coco LaFemme: pedrop357: Coco LaFemme: Why are some of you getting butthurt that this asshole is dead?  He killed two innocent people that had nothing to do with his beef with the LAPD.  I hope he rots in the hottest corner of Dante's Inferno.

Because allowing the police to do what they did to someone like him enables them to do it to anyone.  It's also an affront to the things that make up a society that claims to follow the rule of law.

I have no sympathy for murderers.  It's not like he was accused of killing these people, and he didn't.  He did it.  Everyone knows he did it.  I'll save my sorrow for his victims.


I don't think anyone is sympathizing with Dorner.
This is being concerned that the people we trust to uphold the law are acting outside it.
2013-02-12 10:32:21 PM
2 votes:

Bontesla: I didn't have my money on setting the damned place ablaze.


It was in the back of my mind, but when somebody posted a "miss me?" pic of AG Janet Reno on page 1 I realized it was the obvious outcome.

"Burn that f*cking house down!" - cops
2013-02-12 10:29:05 PM
2 votes:

Ned Stark: udhq: Jimmysolson: Ned Stark: An armed citizenry remains a good idea in and of itself, regardless of the writing on the paper.

For what it's worth, I agree.

The right to bear arms is one thing, but no matter how smart or safe you are, when you bring a gun into your home, statistically it's going to kill one of your children before it ever stops a violent criminal or government tyrant.

If the anti-gun position was NO guns Smelt them all, smash the factories, burn the records and degauss the hard drives etc etc, and just leave all that shiat behind us we'll run society with batons balls then i would be all aboard.

but realistically there are only two options. either only the state will have guns, or gun ownership will be right that pretty much everyone can participate in. The choice seems obvious.


You're right, a blanket gun ban wouldn't be practical at this time for a number of reasons.

My point was that guns are like cigarettes:  you have a right to use them, but if you choose to use them, statistically, they will only harm you.

We all have access to the tools needed to commit murder.  What I object to philosophically is giving all people access to the tools needed to commit mass murder.
2013-02-12 10:28:50 PM
2 votes:

pedrop357: Coco LaFemme: Why are some of you getting butthurt that this asshole is dead?  He killed two innocent people that had nothing to do with his beef with the LAPD.  I hope he rots in the hottest corner of Dante's Inferno.

Because allowing the police to do what they did to someone like him enables them to do it to anyone.  It's also an affront to the things that make up a society that claims to follow the rule of law.


I have no sympathy for murderers.  It's not like he was accused of killing these people, and he didn't.  He did it.  Everyone knows he did it.  I'll save my sorrow for his victims.
2013-02-12 10:26:23 PM
2 votes:

Coco LaFemme: Why are some of you getting butthurt that this asshole is dead?  He killed two innocent people that had nothing to do with his beef with the LAPD.  I hope he rots in the hottest corner of Dante's Inferno.


Because allowing the police to do what they did to someone like him enables them to do it to anyone.  It's also an affront to the things that make up a society that claims to follow the rule of law.
2013-02-12 10:25:21 PM
2 votes:

FizixJunkee: BafflerMeal: Bontesla: cretinbob: King Something: tychno: Does this mean the LAPD will stop shooting at innocent people now?

No, not once this bit of audio goes viral (contains some NSFW language)

Well.....that was pretty clear

I can't see it right now. Would you mind summarizing?

Video of news on TV.  Audio from Police:

Burn this F**ker down!

Sounds like he was convicted and summarily punished without a proper trial if you ask me.


At first I questioned the validity of the Youtube video. I thought perhaps someone added the part of "burn it down", just to start trouble. I captured the live audio only of today's events from the CBS online video feed, and I can tell you with 100% confidence the audio you hear on this video is absolutely what was said.

/  Why the hell are cops trying so hard to put targets on their own backs?
2013-02-12 10:03:57 PM
2 votes:

shower_in_my_socks: Dorner could have turned himself in at anytime. That whole time he was on the run, he could have pulled up to any police station, got out with his hands up, and been taken peacefully into custody.


We see how cops handle peaceful people.

www.pslweb.org

extras.mnginteractive.com
2013-02-12 10:02:59 PM
2 votes:

Bontesla: cretinbob: King Something: tychno: Does this mean the LAPD will stop shooting at innocent people now?

No, not once this bit of audio goes viral (contains some NSFW language)

Well.....that was pretty clear

I can't see it right now. Would you mind summarizing?


Video of news on TV.  Audio from Police:

Burn this F**ker down!
2013-02-12 10:01:58 PM
2 votes:

fredklein: 'Todd', a former cop says "Thank goodness we don't have to go through a trial" on CBS.

Dick.


Between that, LAPD shooting at trucks, Torrance PD shooting at trucks, and 'burn it down', we know exactly what kind of people a lot of cops are.  Most of those hide it pretty well, the ones that don't make the news and get suspended for a week or sometimes for putting people in comas, planting evidence, or other felonies.

The others just need a little more push to drop the mask, and we saw a lot of them during this weeklong saga.
2013-02-12 10:01:39 PM
2 votes:

fredklein: 'Todd', a former cop says "Thank goodness we don't have to go through a trial" on CBS.

Dick.



Dorner could have turned himself in at anytime. That whole time he was on the run, he could have pulled up to any police station, got out with his hands up, and been taken peacefully into custody. He chose to go out in a "blaze" - this ended the way that he wanted it to end.
2013-02-12 09:55:24 PM
2 votes:

Cer10Death: Mrs. Beasley: Whar's my SOTU thread? WARRRRR? Boner looks constipated.

Why farking bother. All he's blabbing about is how he's going to take away our guns, raise our taxes, piss on the Constitution, share our wealth (*as if we had any to begin with), fark our women, steal our hopes and dreams, steal our retirement, fark up our healthcare (Ok, well, it's pretty farked up without him doing anything), cow tow to Eurotrash countries, run scared of North Korea and Iran, legitimize the boarder hoppers who strain our resources by having more kids than a clown car at Ringling Bros. Barnum and Bailey Circus, and flush our children's futures down the toilet. There...how's that for your SOTU thread.


You forgot abandoning Israel, shutting down the fossil fuel industry and getting his handicap below 40.
2013-02-12 09:55:05 PM
2 votes:

tychno: Does this mean the LAPD will stop shooting at innocent people now?


No, not once this bit of audio goes viral (contains some NSFW language)
2013-02-12 09:53:26 PM
2 votes:

tychno: Does this mean the LAPD will stop shooting at innocent people now?


That's a silly question.

Everyone is another possible Dorner, and will be shot if the officer's spidey sense tingles in the least.
2013-02-12 09:52:15 PM
2 votes:
Does this mean the LAPD will stop shooting at innocent people now?
2013-02-12 09:46:36 PM
2 votes:

germ78: ya know, if he really wanted to fark things up, he should have strung incendiary devices all around the woods surrounding the cabin. granted, you need a little more time to do that, but then again he's been "planning" this for 4 years now.


You know, over the past few days, I've read better plans on Fark than this guy had in real life. I am just glad Farkers usually use their powers for good or we would have some serious potential League of Doom material around here.
2013-02-12 09:45:42 PM
2 votes:

tenpoundsofcheese: Mrtraveler01: Otto_E_Rodika: One less Obama voter.

Is this the part where I remind everyone that he voted for John Huntsman in the primary and didn't vote in the general election?

Proof?  Are you taking the word of a madman?  Again?  Interesting.


So, if his own manifesto isn't a valid citation, what citation do you guys have that he did vote for Obama then?

I'll wait here while you dig that up for me.
2013-02-12 09:43:31 PM
2 votes:

MrHappyRotter: CBS news reporting that a body has been removed from the cabin.


God they better hope that body is Dorner.
With a good, clean set of dental records.
2013-02-12 09:41:12 PM
2 votes:

Bonanza Jellybean: LAPD set the fire intentionally:

Link


Good.

I hate the fact that there's no trial or due process but there's virtually zero doubt this guy killed the DAUGHTER of someone he's mad at.  Losing your job, for right or wrong reasons, sure ain't gonna justify killing someone that wasn't involved.

F*** him.  I hope the fire was a preview of his eternal future.
2013-02-12 09:38:33 PM
2 votes:

m00: Canned Tamales: It's irrelevant either way. You do know that when the constitution was written, almost all of the weaponry was owned by private citizens, and taken home with them after the fighting, right? No matter what "well-regulated militia" means, almost the entire armory that helped win a war was privately owned and went home with the soldiers, with no trigger locks or gun safes or registration laws. Somehow, people managed having deadly war weapons in their homes for two centuries!

Well, biggest problem I see is this: constitution was written to operate as a unit. It's a piece of legal machinery. We've been violating most of it for at least a century. For example, we're not supposed to have standing armies. The Vice President is supposed to be the runner-up in the presidential election. Congress is supposed to be the one to declare war. The whole concept of precedent and judicial review was an invention after the constitution was written.

Here's the biggest one: Any power not explicitly granted to Federal Government by the Constitution should be reserved for the States.

I'm generally pro-2nd amendment, and I recognize the founders envisioned "well regulated militia" to mean specifically "everybody over the age of 18 and wants to own a gun." But that was a time of personal responsibility, where you didn't sue a University because they gave your snowflake a C. This was a world without a militarized police force; without an FBI, CIA, TSA, NSA, Homeland Security, and so forth. No SWAT teams. You could buy any drug over the counter, and it was your responsibility to use it responsibly. Unfortunately it was also a world with Slavery and lynch mobs and hangin' for stealing a horse, and completely corrupt local politics, and yellow journalism. The States also held the Federal Government hostage in a lot of different ways, and state legislators had as much, or more, power than Congressional Senators.

At this point, I think we just need another Constitutional Congr ...


You make some good observations(lack or presidential war powers is the biggie for me....he just should not have them, period), but I don't see how people are any better off with a weak bill of rights.

And yes, I am a 1st amendment fanatic (only shouting "fire", fraud by deception, and starting a riot should be illegal).  I am also a 4th amendment stickler, we give way too much power to police.

I don't see how society is made any better or safer by weakening any of them.
2013-02-12 09:37:32 PM
2 votes:

studebaker hoch: Bonanza Jellybean

LAPD set the fire intentionally: Link

That video will be "removed by the user" within hours.

It only has 300 views now.

Someone needs to save it, download it, preserve it.


TMYK: New YouTube videos stop counting at 300 or 301, regardless of the actual view count. It's the way they sync their servers and verify counts.
m00
2013-02-12 09:36:57 PM
2 votes:
See his big mistake was killing cops. If instead he was killing poor people in LA, this *might* get a detective part-time on the case.
2013-02-12 09:35:22 PM
2 votes:

Bonanza Jellybean: LAPD set the fire intentionally:

Link


Oh, shiat. That's not LAPD, but if that's real, that's going to get some blowback. They couldn't have been clearer about that if they'd held a press conference.

KidneyStone: [i3.photobucket.com image 850x407]


Nice.
2013-02-12 09:35:18 PM
2 votes:
Bonanza Jellybean

LAPD set the fire intentionally: Link

That video will be "removed by the user" within hours.

It only has 300 views now.

Someone needs to save it, download it, preserve it.
2013-02-12 09:33:06 PM
2 votes:

Thingster: Bonanza Jellybean: LAPD set the fire intentionally:

Link

I called the place going up in flames as soon as the news said he was believed to be in a cabin.

Unwritten SOP


As soon as it was reported that they were lobbing multiple canisters of tear gas, I knew for sure.  One flashbang after 5 or 6 canisters might be enough to torch the place real quick.
2013-02-12 09:32:23 PM
2 votes:
If that was Dorner in the cabin then there are a ton of people, myself included, who over estimated his intelligence. Who burns their survival gear right before going into the wilderness? Not only that but burns their truck and gear right in the path of where they are hiding marking a big sign that says, "Hey, I am over here! Search here."

These are mistakes made by an idiot. If he had planned this out for years, I'd hate to see the plans he scrapped.
2013-02-12 09:31:19 PM
2 votes:
i3.photobucket.com
2013-02-12 09:26:25 PM
2 votes:

BraveNewCheneyWorld: TheJoe03: Honestly, never really seen the point of watching the State of the Union (or any political speech), so when can I expect this to end? I haven't watched TV news since the election, so I had no idea a SOTU was even happening tonight, I'm only watching the news to see if this cop killer is an action hero or a disappointment.

SOTU always seems like nothing more than a political infomercial.  I don't know why people care to watch it.


This commenter on reason nailed it
http://reason.com/archives/2013/02/12/5-problems-obama-will-ignore-s ta te-of-th#comment_3543507

"Some folks want you to believe [insert false choice], but they're wrong. My administration is committed to [insert Utopian scheme] and we will [insert demonstrably false and/or impossible course of action]. Because [assertion of necessity of equal outcomes]."
2013-02-12 08:56:05 PM
2 votes:

HotIgneous Intruder: Justice = Revenge.
Justice has been inflicted.

Nothing more.


Revenge is not justice unless it was achieved within in the law.
2013-02-12 08:54:16 PM
2 votes:

ontariolightning: I was on Reddit and got downvoted -50 karma points for saying Chuck Norris is in the burning cabin
I am at home here on Fark. Where I can make insensitive comments and be applauded for it.


That's because Reddit is super strait edge, and they keep themselves this strait by shoving a humongous stick up their collective asses.
2013-02-12 08:54:12 PM
2 votes:
There are going to be SO many idiotic conspiracy theories on this one.
2013-02-12 08:45:49 PM
2 votes:

drew46n2: thisisarepeat: HOly shiat! Are you telling me people actually die sometimes?! Grow up.

People die, why try to cure cancer? Grow up.
People die, why go to the hospital? Just let the heart attack kill you. Grow up.
People die, why get inoculated? Get your measles, mumps, etc...Grow up
People die, why should cops wear body armor? They should grow up.



The last one is my favorite.  People die from all sorts of things, hay balers are about the most deadly piece of equipment I can think of right now.  They aren't going anywhere because the number of people they kill is insignificant when compared to the task of driving all the cattle to the other hemisphere for the winter.  Trusting my security to bumbling idiots like the ones burning down California right now is no less absurd than my cattle example. Firearm related death rates are less significant than than other, less essential activities.  The fact of the matter is you just don't like guns or gun owners and really couldn't give a shiat how many people die from gun shot wounds and probably would be happy to see the number of deaths increase so that you might realize your twisted fantasy of threatening peoples free will without the possibility of effective reprisal.
2013-02-12 08:43:05 PM
2 votes:

DubyaHater: I have really enjoyed the Fark Tactical Response Team's analysis to the police presence at the cabin. You guys have real insight into the situation from your mother's basement.


Actually the scanner reports in this thread were a lot more timely and accurate than the talking heads on TV.
2013-02-12 08:38:42 PM
2 votes:

drew46n2: pedrop357: fark you.

typical response when cornered. Great Britain is just teeming with despots, if only the people had guns! Japan is under such a terrible tyranny, if only the people had guns! Australia is becoming a police state, if only they didn't have gun control!

Listen, I like the walking dead, too. I've seen Red Dawn. I also posses the ability to separate fantasy from reality.

Fantasy: The U.S. is at risk of being taken over by a dictatorship.
Reality:A vocal minority is too in love with their penile-compensators to accept even the slightest regulation on private sales, background checks, or magazine capacity. And a hundred people today will die from a gun. And tomorrow. And the next day...but who cares? I got my man card derrrr herp!

[encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com image 194x260]





Wait, really?!

You have a situation where a cop shoots at cops who also shoot at cops and also shoot at vehicles before calling down the farking drones and ending this whole mess in one massive chaotic conflagration. Cops abusing power, cops attacking people at random, cops accused of being atrocious and unscrupulous bastards by other cops.

...And after You see all this, What you want is more gun control?
You want to entrust more heavily armed paramilitary cops with a law that would have had no impact on the past six days, except to authorize them to carry bigger weapons and use them more frequently?

This sounds like one of those ideas that isn't congruous to the events at hand.
2013-02-12 08:36:42 PM
2 votes:

HotIgneous Intruder: Plenty of legal precedent for fencing off that right as of right now, including CCW permit requirements and associated hurdles. All weapons are not created equal in the eyes of the law, ergo, the CCW for pistols in nearly all the states, and all of them constitutional, no problemo.


It's sad how so many people are so utterly brain dead as to think a permit being required to exercise a right that specifically says that it "shall not be infringed" is "constitutional".
2013-02-12 08:32:23 PM
2 votes:

DubyaHater: I have really enjoyed the Fark Tactical Response Team's analysis to the police presence at the cabin. You guys have real insight into the situation from your mother's basement. Maybe the police department should have this thread on auto-update so they can follow the orders of Farkers who are following the news and surfing trap porn.
Frankly,the cop-hating on this website is sickening. You guys want to discuss the "corruption" of the LAPD with only information gleaned from a madman who has killed quite a few people already. If you guys are so sick of "police corruption", pick up a firearm and patrol your town. I imagine most of you would piss yourselves in a firefight inside a burning building.
And for the the Farkers who "can't feel sympathy for dead cops". There's a child somewhere tonight who lost a parent. I assume most all of you didn't have a parent finish their career in a body bag.
Good job guys. You've made 4chan and FreeRepublic seem normal tonight.


Cute, but I hate both sides in this and the families who lost fathers have my deepest sympathy.

/Last time I checked "burn the mother farker into charcoal" wasn't an approved method of law enforcement
//The ATF and SBPD apparently disagree
2013-02-12 08:31:56 PM
2 votes:
I don't own a gun. I don't want a gun. And I think there do need to be more intelligent regulations on firearms, plus I hate the fact that very idea of discussing it is "off limits" to some people.

But constantly calling them "dick compensators" and other such really makes an argument difficult to take seriously.
2013-02-12 08:28:10 PM
2 votes:
So, a fire breaks out in the exact same house that happens to be the place where the most wanted man in America is taking refuge.  The odds of this happening are staggering.
2013-02-12 08:26:46 PM
2 votes:
Did the police use vengeance to kill him? Was it personal? If he didn't kill a cop, would they have burned the cabin down after waiting a grand total of what? 2 hours after surrounding it? I'm only asking..
2013-02-12 08:25:24 PM
2 votes:

HotIgneous Intruder: More like everyone who has a handgun needs to undergo a background check as exhaustive as that required for a Secret security clearance and only then will they be issued a federal license to carry. No rights would be abridged by this requirement. If you're honest and sane, you'll have no problem with this requirement.


Uh yeah, that would be a violation.  You must not understand what "shall not be infringed means".  it certainly doesn't allow a person to be denied a right because they have bad credit.

I love anti-gun types pretending that everything they propose, no matter how invasive, laborious, etc. is not a violation of the 2nd amendment.  It makes me wonder what the limit really is in their opinion.  What can't the government do involving firearms?
2013-02-12 08:23:38 PM
2 votes:

thisisarepeat: HOly shiat! Are you telling me people actually die sometimes?! Grow up.


People die, why try to cure cancer? Grow up.
People die, why go to the hospital? Just let the heart attack kill you. Grow up.
People die, why get inoculated? Get your measles, mumps, etc...Grow up
People die, why should cops wear body armor? They should grow up.
2013-02-12 08:22:16 PM
2 votes:

m00: So they think he escaped? Why would it be a long night in the woods in the cold  if they got him?


The news people don't know and the police aren't saying.

About all we can be certain of is that a
- 1 Cop killed
- 1 Cop in surgery; should be ok
- Cabin on fire
- Dorner not known if in the cabin or even at the scene.
- Cabin is on fire and almost burned out.

Other than that, its all speculation.
2013-02-12 08:21:19 PM
2 votes:

100 Watt Walrus: All you farkwits making pope jokes in the last 30 minutes, you might consider skimming the farking thread in the future, so as not to make an ass of yourselves.


i0.kym-cdn.com

We have a NEW POPE!!!!
2013-02-12 08:20:06 PM
2 votes:

HotIgneous Intruder: Canned Tamales: You're pathetic, loserbiatch.

Don't worry. You'll live on until you die and and your fear will evaporate into oblivion and the national demographics with shift and it will get done. Guns will be regulated such that peopel don't get killed every day with them.


Then we can get rid of the alcohol, which kills about 3 times as many people.
2013-02-12 08:16:06 PM
2 votes:

drew46n2: :A vocal minority is too in love with their penile-compensators to accept even the slightest regulation on private sales, background checks, or magazine capacity. And a hundred people today will die from a gun. And tomorrow. And the next day...but who cares? I got my man card derrrr herp!


Speaking of derp.  You gun control supporters really need therapy for this sexual issue you all seem to have.

Since 2/3 or more of those hundred are suicides, and nearly 2/3 of murders with firearms come from handguns,  many lives do you think will actually be saved by banning scary looking guns, limiting magazine capacity, or forcing a person to conduct a background check on a family member or neighbor before selling their gun?
2013-02-12 08:13:19 PM
2 votes:
i277.photobucket.com
m00
2013-02-12 08:12:45 PM
2 votes:
If this is the end of him, I'll be disappointed at all that bluster in his letter saying how he was trained in counter-insurgency and intelligence. On the other hand, if he was actually trained in counter-insurgency and intelligence... he's not in this cabin, and it was all a big ruse.

Actually a lot of things don't add up.

He hijacked a vehicle, and drove it to this cabin. Okay. First that right there isn't very bright because you KNOW they'll do a manhunt in a 50 mile radius. Second, if he did... why was there so much ammo in the cabin? How much ammo can a guy hijacking a vehicle carry. Was it in a duffel bag? The owner already said there wasn't ammo in there. Unless Dorner he stashed it there before, and this is all a setup.
2013-02-12 08:10:35 PM
2 votes:

pedrop357: fark you.


typical response when cornered. Great Britain is just teeming with despots, if only the people had guns! Japan is under such a terrible tyranny, if only the people had guns! Australia is becoming a police state, if only they didn't have gun control!

Listen, I like the walking dead, too. I've seen Red Dawn. I also posses the ability to separate fantasy from reality.

Fantasy: The U.S. is at risk of being taken over by a dictatorship.
Reality:A vocal minority is too in love with their penile-compensators to accept even the slightest regulation on private sales, background checks, or magazine capacity. And a hundred people today will die from a gun. And tomorrow. And the next day...but who cares? I got my man card derrrr herp!

encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com
2013-02-12 08:10:25 PM
2 votes:
img.photobucket.com
2013-02-12 08:08:15 PM
2 votes:
t1.gstatic.com

/misdirection
2013-02-12 07:30:08 PM
2 votes:
Jeff Green@Greenspeak 1 hr
Every media outlet now obsessively covering and glorifying this "live gun battle" in LA is disqualified from criticizing violent videogames.
2013-02-12 07:28:12 PM
2 votes:
Wouldn't it be something if that cabin just erupts in a massive explosion?
2013-02-12 07:24:46 PM
2 votes:
This sounds similar to the ending of Charles Bronson's "Death Hunt"
2013-02-12 07:23:54 PM
2 votes:

drew46n2: The_Sponge: drew46n2: Another NRA success story! Thanks for opposing background checks and the AWB!


-3/10

And you do realize that California has strict gun laws AND Dorner is a gun control nut.

Yes, he spelled it out in his manifesto exactly how easy it was to get his guns. Obviously it should stay as easy!


He was a cop and would have had an easier time getting guns than us little people.

I also fail to see how his misuse of guns should justify even more infringements on our rights.
2013-02-12 07:22:48 PM
2 votes:

Pichu0102: SN1987a goes boom: How much longer until the LAPD's body count is higher than Dorner's?

Isn't there some law where friendly fire damage is the suspects fault if it happened while in commission of a crime?


Felony murder.  If your criminal act results in someone's death, you're toast.
2013-02-12 07:20:57 PM
2 votes:

drew46n2: Another NRA success story! Thanks for opposing background checks and the AWB!



-3/10

And you do realize that California has strict gun laws AND Dorner is a gun control nut.
2013-02-12 07:09:14 PM
2 votes:
I'm posting other pictures of Dorner to assist LAPD:

www.clevescene.com

www.kentuckyfriedcruelty.com l1.yimg.com
www.netquake.net

blog.lib.umn.edu
2013-02-12 06:59:25 PM
2 votes:
Bit'O'Gristle: Good. I hope they blow his farking head off. Twice. He shot and killed 3 people, wounded 2 officers with gunfire, and now stole some innocent person's car. fark you Dorner, fark you in the ass with a giant rubber dick. And fark anyone who defends this piece of shiat. He's a butt hurt borderline personality disorder asshole, who blames everyone for his life, and decided to murder innocent people because he got fired from his job. Anyone defending him is either a troll or an idiot and should go into the cabin with him and wait for the SWAT charge, and following statement that his condition has been downgraded from moran to meat. Any political point he wanted to make with his rambling disjointed "manifesto" went out the window when he killed. Then he became a terrorist. Set the building on fire. He burns to death, kills himself, or is gunned down running like the dog he is. Either way, it's good to me.

Wow, what an amazingly stupid asshole you are. Do you really wonder why so many posters think maybe Dorner's plan to execute police officers might not be such a terrible action plan? As long as a cop knows a person is guilty, it's OK to turn the suspect from "moran to meat" right? RIGHT, ASSHOLE??? Between Dorner killing two innocent people and you advocating a pre-trial death sentence for a suspect, I'm not sure which one of you has more efficiently taken the principle of his cause, turned it inside out, and buggered himself with it.

May you and your moustache meet the same end you advocate. In fact, I should forward this post to your department and/or any other bodies that oversee your department - at least then, when you finally get to kill you some guilty folk (if you haven't already) there will be a traceable history of your desire to mete out extrajudicial executions, you knuckledragging cock.

Btw - LOGIC DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY. All his valid, salient political points are still valid and salient; the only change is the righteousness by which they were made. Many cops, by and large, are still corrupt authoritarian bastards - see above quote for irrefutable evidence.
2013-02-12 06:57:04 PM
2 votes:
How much longer until the LAPD's body count is higher than Dorner's?
2013-02-12 06:57:03 PM
2 votes:

Canned Tamales: Actually, I'm a liberal democrat who just happens to hate demagogues and respect the constitution.


Left leaning Republican here, but I echo your sentiment.
2013-02-12 06:56:25 PM
2 votes:

Mija: The most alarming thing is I have not seen one person excercise their right to refuse a search.


Yeah, you don't have a right to refuse a search in this situation.
2013-02-12 06:55:03 PM
2 votes:
The most alarming thing is I have not seen one person excercise their right to refuse a search. Pathetic sheep. This is why police expect you to give up your rights. No one knows let alone stands up for their rights. Lock the doors, crack your window and chant, "I do not submit to a search". Make the police follow the law.
2013-02-12 06:50:18 PM
2 votes:

404 page not found: Local radio station reporting friendly-fire. The deputy responsible for the shooting has already been placed on paid administrative leave pending investigation.   http://www.iheart.com/live/177/


Predicted that on the first page. Still sad as hell though.
2013-02-12 06:47:09 PM
2 votes:
At least one of the deputies died.

I hope he's in there and I hope that cabin is burned flat to the ground. This guy is a complete farking psychopath no matter what actually went down that pissed him off.
2013-02-12 06:40:59 PM
2 votes:
one thing is certain - that cabin will be a smoking crater or found to be completely empty just in time for the State of the Union address.

bread and circuses, baby!
2013-02-12 06:39:53 PM
2 votes:
Goddammit, the freaking LAPD is actually making me root for this guy.  Why do they have to be such r-tards?
2013-02-12 06:30:57 PM
2 votes:
The authorities are asking viewers of the cbs local thread to stop tweeting any information as it is interfering with their investigation. Oh, and good luck with that.
2013-02-12 06:30:44 PM
2 votes:
So if they are searching vehicles, wouldn't that mean they don't have him pinned down in a cabin? If they know where he is why would they be looking for him in cars?

/I suppose they could be making sure there isn't a sympathizer coming to his aid, but that really opens up the probable cause and illegal search angle.
2013-02-12 06:30:31 PM
2 votes:
www.younglawyersblog.com

Good idea: Kill a handful of cops in GTA: IV and lead them on a massive chase to pass the time.

Bad Idea: Kill a handful of cops in real life while also shooting at civilians over a period of days, and holding people hostage in a rural cabin.
2013-02-12 06:23:49 PM
2 votes:
This situation would have been avoided if police officers were allowed to carry guns.
2013-02-12 06:22:05 PM
2 votes:
Another LAPD officer just posted a manifesto similar to Dorner's. I shiat you not.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mobileweb/2013/02/12/joe-jones-manifest o -christopher-dorner_n_2670513.html?ncid=edlinkusaolp00000003
2013-02-12 06:16:00 PM
2 votes:

Corvus: [www.yiyelim.com image 300x300]
Mmmmm Dorner


Dammit, I want a freakin Döner now. No idea where to get one around here, and the last time I had one was in Munich, but I swear those things are delicious.
2013-02-12 06:15:14 PM
2 votes:

Somacandra: Yeah, they're asking the local media to pull away any live shots.


so they can kill him off camera
2013-02-12 06:08:04 PM
2 votes:
Surprising amount of effort for a guy who made some threats and is suspected of killing 3 people.

On a plus note, it's telling that they all choose to carry AR-15s and M-16s.  They have dozens at their little checkpoints for one guy, yet they claim the average person alone needs far less to defend themselves, even against a guy like this.
2013-02-12 06:04:06 PM
2 votes:

BarkingUnicorn: Theaetetus: natgod: where the hell did the LAPD get 1 million spare dollars to give out for information leading to dorner?

It's apparently been raised by "private donations". Which means you apparently can now pay the police to kill someone for you.

We've always done that.


No so openly, though.

The last time anyone paid cops to deal with undesireables and anybody not directly and personally involved with the situation found out was when JP Morgan Chase made a generous "donation" to the NYPD just a few hours before Tony Baloney maced those two OWS chicks. That was a year and a half ago.

I can;t think of any other recent cases of such overt bribery of police.
2013-02-12 06:03:26 PM
2 votes:
Ok, LAPD is coming out
2013-02-12 05:52:52 PM
2 votes:

badhatharry: No live video. Welcome to the New America.


Please...can't show the cops riddling him full of holes when he tries to surrender, unarmed and following instructions.
2013-02-12 05:51:43 PM
2 votes:

Aigoo: BronyMedic: Satanic_Hamster: Translation:  LAPD is shooting random citizens again.

Yeah, no. They have him cornered after shooting two deputies.

Brony, it's not often that I disagree with you, but, given the LAPD's history (and I don't just mean this past week, which is horrifying in and of itself), I'll take actual DNA evidence--since we know that there's not a snowball's chance in a Nevada summer of Dorner ever coming out of this alive anyway--of the man in that cabin over the LAPD's "belief" that it is Dorner in that cabin. Until there is an actual, positive identification of the suspect barricaded in that cabin, I'll refer to the person as "suspect." LAPD responded to a report of burglary and car theft and later allegedly learned that there was a component of possible imprisonment of two individuals (who escaped) by a black suspect who we're told shot two deputies and barricaded himself in the cabin.

I don't need to tell you that eyewitness statements are unreliable as hell and that right now, California LEO statements regarding a black man with a gun are at least twice as suspect--particularly officers associated with the LAPD. I also don't need to tell any first responder (or hell, anyone who's seen Cops in the last 20 years) that criminals do dumb shiat--and breaking into a cabin, tying up the people in the cabin, stealing a truck, shooting cops, and the barricading yourself in a cabin once you're surrounded definitely qualifies a dumb shiat... and it doesn't require a mentally unstable man who, despite his instability does have a point that bears close examination regarding corruption in modern law enforcement, to do dumb shiat and take pot shots at cops. (Disclosure: I'm related to cops and have many close friends who are cops. Dorner is crazy, he deserves a trial, not to be gunned down, but he does have a valid point that being crazy does not negate.)


The LAPD are not involved, Aigoo. This isn't even in Los Angeles County. It's in San Bernardino, and the SB County Sheriff Are handling the scene.
2013-02-12 05:50:22 PM
2 votes:

BronyMedic: Satanic_Hamster: Translation:  LAPD is shooting random citizens again.

Yeah, no. They have him cornered after shooting two deputies.


Brony, it's not often that I disagree with you, but, given the LAPD's history (and I don't just mean this past week, which is horrifying in and of itself), I'll take actual DNA evidence--since we know that there's not a snowball's chance in a Nevada summer of Dorner ever coming out of this alive anyway--of the man in that cabin over the LAPD's "belief" that it is Dorner in that cabin. Until there is an actual, positive identification of the suspect barricaded in that cabin, I'll refer to the person as "suspect." LAPD responded to a report of burglary and car theft and later allegedly learned that there was a component of possible imprisonment of two individuals (who escaped) by a black suspect who we're told shot two deputies and barricaded himself in the cabin.

I don't need to tell you that eyewitness statements are unreliable as hell and that right now, California LEO statements regarding a black man with a gun are at least twice as suspect--particularly officers associated with the LAPD. I also don't need to tell any first responder (or hell, anyone who's seen Cops in the last 20 years) that criminals do dumb shiat--and breaking into a cabin, tying up the people in the cabin, stealing a truck, shooting cops, and the barricading yourself in a cabin once you're surrounded definitely qualifies a dumb shiat... and it doesn't require a mentally unstable man who, despite his instability does have a point that bears close examination regarding corruption in modern law enforcement, to do dumb shiat and take pot shots at cops. (Disclosure: I'm related to cops and have many close friends who are cops. Dorner is crazy, he deserves a trial, not to be gunned down, but he does have a valid point that being crazy does not negate.)
2013-02-12 05:45:47 PM
2 votes:
Popcorn Johnny: CNN reporting that he has 2 hostages.

Nothing from CNN ever deserves to be in bold.
2013-02-12 05:35:35 PM
2 votes:

BronyMedic: some_beer_drinker: there is a conspiracy?

Plenty of them have come out of this event. The best one I heard on FARK was that Dorner is completely innocent and just trying to save himself. The LAPD actually capped Quan and her boyfriend to frame him, and the third cop just shot himself to fake the incident.


You might want to question the seriousness of conspiracy theories proposed on fark.
2013-02-12 05:31:33 PM
2 votes:
If I were an enterprising crook in this area, I'd be robbing whatever I can on the other side of town.
2013-02-12 05:30:52 PM
2 votes:
Sooooo all feeds have been cut?  If you still doubt that the media is controlled by the government, your a farking moron.
2013-02-12 05:28:47 PM
2 votes:
Practical_Draconian: "Dude is ROOTING for Dorden, calling him a hero and says he was framed by crooked cops. He also had the same view of OJ too. "

Are you really surprised that person who bases their political world-view on conspiracy theories bases their other 'beliefs' on conspiracy theories too?

/ To be fair: there is more evidence in favor of Dorner having been wronged than there is of any Amero or Agenda 21 "plot".
2013-02-12 05:25:43 PM
2 votes:
Worst case scenario for Dorner is that he's holed up in there with a rabbit telling him to hide in the oven.
2013-02-12 05:19:29 PM
2 votes:

LessO2: Am I hearing it right on the scanner?

No-fly zone 13,000 feet up, three miles wide?


No helicopters to see the swat team execute a cop killer
2013-02-12 05:18:09 PM
2 votes:
On the scanner they are just asking each other over and over which cabin it is. This will not end well.
2013-02-12 05:17:53 PM
2 votes:
I'm pretty sure the command upon a confirmed sighting will be....
suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com

/and knowing LA media, the killing will be broadcast live
//so anybody watching this out there or online, send the kiddies to their rooms NOW!
2013-02-12 05:17:28 PM
2 votes:

loveblondieo: bighairyguy: Called out a Code 40 on the scanner

How serious is that?


One worse than 39.
2013-02-12 05:16:31 PM
2 votes:

rhyx: Scanner just said that press are to cut live feeds of the cabin.


Witnesses are bad, I guess.
2013-02-12 05:15:59 PM
2 votes:
Right. Cut live feeds so nobody can see what is really happening (or really isn't happening).
2013-02-12 05:15:12 PM
2 votes:

CheetahOlivetti: Press ordered to cut live feeds of the cabin.


WHY?
hmmmmmm
live feed would be on the TV and the bad guy could see them storming the cabin ...
hmmmmm ok ... I am fine with that.

but I hope they are recording and then will air the raid after it is done
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

and if dorner isnt there and they kill some random peeps?
death penalty for the cops ...

no wait
it is legal for cops to shoot citizens
sigh
2013-02-12 05:13:14 PM
2 votes:
The chick on KTLA just said "they don't want him to get away at this point".

Talking heads are funny.
2013-02-12 05:10:58 PM
2 votes:

Dubya's_Coke_Dealer: He's just exercising his second amendment rights against a corrupt government, what's the problem?


Indeed, what IS the problem? He reckoned that the status quo was unbearable, that reform was impossible, and took action directly against enforcers of the state instigating a test of arms. Now it appears that the (broadly popular?) status quo will prevail, but even so the public eye is now upon the LAPD because of their own conduct during this conflict. Reforms will almost certainly be forced upon them, saving dozens or hundreds of lives in the long term.
2013-02-12 05:09:40 PM
2 votes:

Peaceboy: They should do what the military did with Noriega, just start playing really loud music at him.  If they blast him with Nickelback, this will all be over in minutes.


He's a black man.  Make it John Tesh, Yanni and the Crash Test Dummies.
2013-02-12 05:09:13 PM
2 votes:

Peaceboy: They should do what the military did with Noriega, just start playing really loud music at him.  If they blast him with Nickelback, this will all be over in minutes.


We have laws against cruel and unusual punishment.
2013-02-12 05:08:02 PM
2 votes:
See wanna-be American vigilante heros?  This is what awaits you.
2013-02-12 05:06:11 PM
2 votes:
KFI is saying he's got hostages.

i1172.photobucket.com
If he's still up there, he's not as smart as I thought he was.  Not looking good for Chocolate Rambo...
2013-02-12 05:04:01 PM
2 votes:

BronyMedic: Satanic_Hamster: Translation:  LAPD is shooting random citizens again.

Yeah, no. They have him cornered after shooting two deputies.


Yeah, sources are always right
2013-02-12 05:02:50 PM
2 votes:

max_pooper: Raithen: ravenlore: In other words some random black dude is about to die. LAPD will later report that he was "resisting arrest"

"He refused to follow police commands, so we had to unload 2 dozen officers unload everything they had rounds at him."

Fixed for accuracy


Fortunately one round struck him and killed him. Too bad about the seventeen bystanders and five endangered species that were rendered extinct by the misses.

Seriously, did these guys go to the Palpatine School of Aiming Proficiency?
2013-02-12 05:02:40 PM
2 votes:
For those unfamiliar with the area, Big Bear is a ski resort in the remote mountains far from Los Angeles.
2013-02-12 05:01:34 PM
2 votes:
i1172.photobucket.com

/might be the last time to be able to use this
//doesn't look good for "the Man's" Boogeyman
2013-02-12 05:01:25 PM
2 votes:
I've just got a question for everyone crying about how the LAPD is about to do this, and about to do that: When did the San Bernardino Sheriff's Department become part of the LAPD?

rrcc.lacounty.gov
2013-02-12 05:01:17 PM
2 votes:

SuperNinjaToad: probably Donner.. like I said before as much as some here wants him to be some super spy Robin Hood type with mad skillz, very calculative masterful planning and execution, IRL most guys do things with little planning and unlike Hollywood movies where the hero\villian always gets away until the last 5 minutes RL hero/villian are usually caught surprised.

The fact that donner is still in CA instead of sipping magarita in Mexico says a lot. RL is no mission impossible. There is no face mask to wear, no lamborghinis to drive, no beautiful woman to seduce and no fancy electronics to tap or hack.


Mexico has extradition laws, and Interpol operates heavily there because of the cartels. On top of that crossing a boarder isn't as simple a task as most think. Staying put and laying low is more often a better idea if he had a plan in place.
2013-02-12 05:01:08 PM
2 votes:
i3.kym-cdn.com
2013-02-12 05:00:44 PM
2 votes:
SCANNER TRAFFIC FLASH:

Suspect holed up in cabin, gunfire being exchanged.

NUKE IT FROM ORBIT.
2013-02-12 04:56:48 PM
2 votes:
So it's a Manhunt in near Big Bear Highway for an ex-cop?

24.media.tumblr.com

/I'm scared
2013-02-12 04:53:56 PM
2 votes:

kbronsito: Somewhere on Bear Lake, probably above the snow line and surrounded by fog the fugitive, Chris Dorner, is hiding. The state police and the national guard are being mobilized right now. The local authorities have so far been unable to explain where the Navy Reservist got the weapons he used to kill a LAPD officer and wound others. They only survived thanks to their police training. They say the fugitive will be caught in the next few hours.


Yeah, capture or killing within hours seems likely as they have him located, he is going to have to try to escape through the snow on foot.  Apparently the truck was not a ruse to stall the cops in Big Bear, and he was actually there holed up in a cabin with two female hostages one of whom was able to make a 911 call
2013-02-12 04:52:51 PM
2 votes:
Meanwhile, copycat freakshows take meticulous notes in front of their TVs...
2013-02-12 04:50:39 PM
2 votes:
Let this be a lesson to all the armchair revolutionaries out there: you're living a pipe dream, and will be cut down swiftly and mercilessly.

And no, you can not has your assault weapons.
2013-02-12 04:50:26 PM
2 votes:

Hrist: A couple of dead officers isn't going to make up for what major asses the LAPD are making of themselves during all this....they've shot up a lot of innocent people without warning because they were driving the same color vehicle, or happened to be in an area related to said killer, or for whatever the fark reason.  And they're refusing to take responsibility for any of it.  They've got a million dollar bounty at, drones searching the hills, people are getting their doors kicked in without warning and searched, etc.

It's clear at this point that no one matters to the LAPD but the LAPD.  I hope he keeps evading them so the LAPD will mow a bunch of unarmed helpless civilians to show people who the REAL monster is here.


lolwut?

0/10
2013-02-12 04:50:20 PM
2 votes:

carnifex2005: I really hope they take him alive.


They will never do that.
2013-02-12 04:49:36 PM
2 votes:
Good thing there are no anti-government crazy types living in Big Bear who might not take kindly to officers coming on their land
2013-02-12 04:48:38 PM
2 votes:

hershy799: It seems like he got away?!?!?! How?


www.firingsquad.com
2013-02-12 04:46:51 PM
2 votes:

Random Anonymous Blackmail: ha-ha-guy

So, if LAPD kills a large black guy who isn't Dorner, is that progress since at least they had the right race?

This isn't Compton, but yes.


If the LAPD killed a random black guy, they'd consider that a good thing.
2013-02-12 04:45:03 PM
2 votes:

hershy799: It seems like he got away?!?!?! How?


The fuzz has enough problems with gangbangers as it is, you expect them to get a guy with actual military training?
2013-02-13 02:44:08 PM
1 votes:

NightOwl2255: Let's get this clear. They didn't start the fire


It was always burning since the world's been turning.
2013-02-13 12:57:51 PM
1 votes:

NightOwl2255: Let's get this clear. They didn't start the fire to burn him up (well maybe they did), they started the fire to encourage him to leave the cabin. He chose to stay. He made his choice. Now, if come to find out, he had offed himself before the fire was started, does that change anything?


They pushed him back inside...
2013-02-13 11:56:54 AM
1 votes:

Elegy: Just did a quick survey of news coverage, most mainstream media outlets seem to not care (or are simply unaware) that the LAPD intentionally set fire to the cabin. Most quote the LAPD on the issue, with the LAPD being pretty damn vague about how the cabin came to be on fire.


Let's not dwell on who started which fire. Let's just agree that fires were set, and resolve to do better in the future.
2013-02-13 11:10:20 AM
1 votes:
Just did a quick survey of news coverage, most mainstream media outlets seem to not care (or are simply unaware) that the LAPD intentionally set fire to the cabin. Most quote the LAPD on the issue, with the LAPD being pretty damn vague about how the cabin came to be on fire.

The one person that is "covering" it with any degree of visibility if Drudge, who links to an infowars article that matches the events as I knew them from listening to the scanner.

It's a farking sad day when I have to type the words "infowars has the best article" (wince), but there it is.
2013-02-13 10:07:01 AM
1 votes:

Enemabag Jones: /Decision was he lied as a trainee when he said the trainer kicked a mentally challenged person in the head. Maybe there was more to it.


Yeah, there was more to that.  There were multiple conflicts of interest for the people involved in making that decision, and requests to replace those people with neutral people were denied. :-\

In any case, neither of us were there, so we really don't know all the evidence.  All we really have to go on is that we have a decorated veteran vs the LAPD, and the LAPD do not have a good track record (hell, they're even committing attempted murder, shooting at random civilians in their quest to kill Dorner).
2013-02-13 06:09:02 AM
1 votes:

studebaker hoch: Charred remains found at the cabin



This is either a press release, someone hired a stripper, or they're having a communal ceremony of some kind.

/ Possibly involving a stripper.


Wow they are already getting screwy with the details. No mention of them starting the fire after putting a hole in the first wall, or that them hearing a shot was well after they were waiting for him to run out the back after the other 3 walls were burning...on a side note, who's blood spatter was it they saw after the first hole?
2013-02-13 05:12:43 AM
1 votes:

gregscott: That was an entirely different (and completely unjustifiable) action. If somebody is holed up in a cabin, shooting at cops, and refusing to surrender, he's on a clear path to suicide by cop. Going on a Sunday drive, on the other hand, is not generally viewed as a terrorism attack.


I dont think it's safe to assume that.  Even if true, there is no obligation for LAPD to indulge him.  The path of least resistance would be to wait him out.  Especially if he is wasting ammo to no avail.
2013-02-13 04:45:59 AM
1 votes:

The more you eat the more you fart: What I wanna know is:  How come so many cops are using military-style weapons against a single shooter with a semi-auto?

The militarization of the police should be something EVERYONE is concerned about...not just the dumbshiat in the cabin.


Yeah, that video posted upthread certainly seemed to be on the excessive side of things.  I'm no expert in cop standoffs, but you can youtube dozens of actual military skirmishes in Iraq and Afghanistan that have less sustained, random gunfire.  Then again, the military probably does a slightly better job of teaching you not to act like a roided out psychopath when under fire.

At one point in the video the cop behind the tree starts looking around at all the assholes firing nonstop and then back at the cabin and then back at the other cops again like "what the fark are you morons wasting thousands of dollars in ammunition on?"  It was kind of surreal.  I don't think you need a minute and a half of sustained fully automatic gunfire to subdue one guy.  I don't care if he's wearing an Iron Man suit.  Have some god damn trigger control if you're going to wield a firearm, especially if you call yourself a professional.
2013-02-13 04:04:42 AM
1 votes:

Popcorn Johnny: Pribar: I don't know if LEO has a different use for it but we used burner as a radio call for a willie pete (white phosphorus)

SWAT does not carry WP.


Implying they didnt pull out all the stops on this one.

Was definitely fully automatic fire I heard blasting away at that cabin non stop earlier too.
2013-02-13 04:02:14 AM
1 votes:

BarkingUnicorn: LookForTheArrow: Owangotang: LookForTheArrow: assassination is never cool no matter how many criminals do it. Unless you think cops should act like criminals, you agree with me 100%. dipshiats.

You do not understand the meaning of that word if you are using it in reference to Dorner. A man standing on a sidewalk or on a stage is assassinated. A man hunkered down in a cabin with big caliber firepower, who has killed before and has no regrets about killing again, is subdued by use of deadly force.

you are wrong, dead wrong. he could have been out-waited, he could have been dealt with any number of ways other than  burning him alive without dueprocess. Nothing warrants that when it can be avoided. Did they avoid it, or run into it with glee? Murdering doesn't have a context, isn't some 'he-started-it' preposition. Not with overwhelming force and a secure cordon. Two wrongs never make a right. No matter how much Judge Dredd you've been force-fed.

Well said.  Now learn to delete the last sentence of every impassioned paragraph before submitting.  People often go one step too far and ruin it.


If referencing Judge Dredd is wrong, I hope most people do not want to be right.
2013-02-13 04:01:18 AM
1 votes:

studebaker hoch: If there is going to be civil war in this country, it just got a step closer.


if the cops who shot those ladies don't end up in prison there better be vigilantee justice
2013-02-13 03:52:04 AM
1 votes:

quatchi: Alonjar: So the cops set the house on fire, and he shot himself rather than burn to death.

Seems most likely.

Out in a blaze o' glory some might say.

Not me.

No heroes here.


But you're mistaken.  A hero is the protagonist in a morality tale.  He doesn't have to be a good guy, just the main character.
2013-02-13 03:51:48 AM
1 votes:

LookForTheArrow: Owangotang: LookForTheArrow: assassination is never cool no matter how many criminals do it. Unless you think cops should act like criminals, you agree with me 100%. dipshiats.

You do not understand the meaning of that word if you are using it in reference to Dorner. A man standing on a sidewalk or on a stage is assassinated. A man hunkered down in a cabin with big caliber firepower, who has killed before and has no regrets about killing again, is subdued by use of deadly force.

you are wrong, dead wrong. he could have been out-waited, he could have been dealt with any number of ways other than  burning him alive without dueprocess. Nothing warrants that when it can be avoided. Did they avoid it, or run into it with glee? Murdering doesn't have a context, isn't some 'he-started-it' preposition. Not with overwhelming force and a secure cordon. Two wrongs never make a right. No matter how much Judge Dredd you've been force-fed.


Hey now, don't you go bringing Judge Dredd into your little meltdown.  I don't think comic book fans and hardcore fascists really have a lot of overlap in the venn diagram, so keep that frothy rage on target.

This is your final warning.  You have 20 seconds to comply.
2013-02-13 03:42:08 AM
1 votes:

gregscott: So here's the situation as I understand it:
So they "accidentally a fire" with tear gas grenades. Because nobody wants to risk death trying to capture a sworn cop killer.
Then Dorner decides to shoot himself rather than surrender or burn to death.

Please explain why this is murder. Presumably, Dorner killed himself, exactly as planned.


is shooting  40 bullets from behind, at a moving vehicle, not attempted murder?
Will those police officers get charged for attempted murder? If not why the fark not?
If it were anyone else they'd farking be in cuffs by farking now
2013-02-13 03:38:58 AM
1 votes:
So here's the situation as I understand it:
So they "accidentally a fire" with tear gas grenades. Because nobody wants to risk death trying to capture a sworn cop killer.
Then Dorner decides to shoot himself rather than surrender or burn to death.

Please explain why this is murder. Presumably, Dorner killed himself, exactly as planned.
2013-02-13 03:37:54 AM
1 votes:

Owangotang: LookForTheArrow: assassination is never cool no matter how many criminals do it. Unless you think cops should act like criminals, you agree with me 100%. dipshiats.

You do not understand the meaning of that word if you are using it in reference to Dorner. A man standing on a sidewalk or on a stage is assassinated. A man hunkered down in a cabin with big caliber firepower, who has killed before and has no regrets about killing again, is subdued by use of deadly force.


you are wrong, dead wrong. he could have been out-waited, he could have been dealt with any number of ways other than  burning him alive without dueprocess. Nothing warrants that when it can be avoided. Did they avoid it, or run into it with glee? Murdering doesn't have a context, isn't some 'he-started-it' preposition. Not with overwhelming force and a secure cordon. Two wrongs never make a right. No matter how much Judge Dredd you've been force-fed.
2013-02-13 03:36:47 AM
1 votes:

LookForTheArrow: and that was your answer huh? Move away? Hang out with less black people? I'm not going to honor you with any further responses. I dont think anyone should codone your accomplice, coward-ass either.


Oh, no. My answer was to first contact the Sheriff's department. That resulted in one of the deputies coming to my place of midnight employment and knocking all the goods off of the shelves as he lectured me about the realities of law enforcement in Texas. I called the police, who showed up and laughed with him in the parking lot.

THEN I moved away to a place where you had to have a bachelor's degree or better to be a cop, and everything was different.
2013-02-13 03:33:49 AM
1 votes:

LookForTheArrow: assassination is never cool no matter how many criminals do it. Unless you think cops should act like criminals, you agree with me 100%. dipshiats.


You do not understand the meaning of that word if you are using it in reference to Dorner. A man standing on a sidewalk or on a stage is assassinated. A man hunkered down in a cabin with big caliber firepower, who has killed before and has no regrets about killing again, is subdued by use of deadly force.
2013-02-13 03:33:29 AM
1 votes:

LookForTheArrow: funny how that happens when you tell people their tragedies aren't real, isn't it? It's like.. you're surprised this LAPD thing being corrupt.. it's real. Wow, gee, i never knew whoda thunk it!This is Fark - but the people here are real, have seen real things and we share it.. and one thing I'm sharing, is the Dorner or no - they are farkED up and proved it this last six days beyond anyones doubt. This was a total mess and they  loved doing it that way.


Nobody said your TRAGEDYOMG wasn't real. You asked how you could NOT be mad about it. I provided you with an answer. I'm not mad about it. It raises concerns, it's something that I'd hope, out of empathy, that Californians can get in order, but mad? There's no redness or creased brow on my face, there's no adrenaline coursing through my arteries... It's an anomalous occurrence 1,000 miles away from me that will have no real affect on anything I chose to do in my life.

Perspective. That's how you keep from getting mad.
2013-02-13 03:31:17 AM
1 votes:

TheJoe03: Owangotang: what about Monica Quan and her fiance?

That's actually a really important point, why did he even kill them? They didn't appear to screw him over so they are innocent in pretty much every sense of the word (ie, the people who did screw him over wouldn't be innocent in certain senses of the word).


I just wonder how he actually knew Monica Quan anyway, and why he chose to start with her. I mean, sure he was angry at the defence lawyer, but how'd he find out about his daughter and track her down? It's not like lawyers tend to talk about their children (especially adult children) to the people they're defending. Just seems odd.
2013-02-13 03:30:49 AM
1 votes:

Owangotang: thisisarepeat: he killed cops and coplings, he never hurt any humans.

You're projecting. I imagine a sub-human WOULD want others to be sub-human as well, maybe it's a comfort thing, but be assured that Dorner killed actual living, breathing, thinking, feeling human beings. Tough luck on lacking that thinking and feeling stuff but it seems you've found your niche as an anti-establishment crackpot. Here's hoping that works out for you!


he did not kill the two ladies he tied up.
2013-02-13 03:30:48 AM
1 votes:

Lenny_da_Hog: LookForTheArrow: except I really did get farked with by socal cops who pulled egregious shiat on people I love - and it does actually affect me now and in the future. That's a damn fool thing to say, "doesn't affect me". Your Mom doesn't affect me either, but you dont see me okaying lighting HER house on fire, do you? You dipshiat.

My mom's dead.

I was beaten and pistol-whipped by Sheriff's deputies in the Houston, TX, area because I was associating with black friends. I've since lived in places with mostly nice cops.


and that was your answer huh? Move away? Hang out with less black people? I'm not going to honor you with any further responses. I dont think anyone should codone your accomplice, coward-ass either.
2013-02-13 03:29:04 AM
1 votes:
Alonjar

I'm paraphrasing, but the scanner chatter went like this:

"Blood spatter is on wall inside in the corner"
"Which corner?  Number it"
"(somenumber) ????"
"Affirmitive"
"Go ahead with the plan.  Do the burn."
"Just like we talked about"
....pause.....
Cop:  "We have a fire"
Dispatch:  "Affirmitive.  Confirmed that we have a fire"
Cop:  "roger"
...pause...
"Fire on the front side.  He might try to run out the back."
"We're ready"
"Single shot heard inside"
"Roger.  single shot inside"
*house burns down*.

So the cops set the house on fire, and he shot himself rather than burn to death.


Jesus H. Christ.

It sounds like they intentionally burned the cabin with him inside.

If that's real, they just made Christian Dorner a martyr and a folk hero to every gun nut in the USA.
2013-02-13 03:26:41 AM
1 votes:

LookForTheArrow: except I really did get farked with by socal cops who pulled egregious shiat on people I love - and it does actually affect me now and in the future. That's a damn fool thing to say, "doesn't affect me". Your Mom doesn't affect me either, but you dont see me okaying lighting HER house on fire, do you? You dipshiat.


My mom's dead.

I was beaten and pistol-whipped by Sheriff's deputies in the Houston, TX, area because I was associating with black friends. I've since lived in places with mostly nice cops.
2013-02-13 03:15:47 AM
1 votes:
All I know is every erroneous and premature report is going to be cited as evidence of a conspiracy, probably for decades.
2013-02-13 03:14:51 AM
1 votes:
I'm paraphrasing, but the scanner chatter went like this:


"Blood spatter is on wall inside in the corner"
"Which corner?  Number it"
"(somenumber) ????"
"Affirmitive"
"Go ahead with the plan.  Do the burn."
"Just like we talked about"
....pause.....
Cop:  "We have a fire"
Dispatch:  "Affirmitive.  Confirmed that we have a fire"
Cop:  "roger"
...pause...
"Fire on the front side.  He might try to run out the back."
"We're ready"
"Single shot heard inside"
"Roger.  single shot inside"
*house burns down*.

So the cops set the house on fire, and he shot himself rather than burn to death.
2013-02-13 03:09:41 AM
1 votes:

Owangotang: LookForTheArrow: Owangotang: LookForTheArrow: You cant understand this basic fact - that no matter what you allege happened or how many news stories proclaim what, tonight was a plain extra-legal execution.

Looked like one morally bankrupt out-of-control force taking out another morally bankrupt out-of-control force to me. It's hard to avoid deadly force when the target brags about things like asymetrical farking warfare.

Where is the outrage for Dorner's victims? Even if you are so jaded that you feel his killing cops is OK, what about Monica Quan and her fiance?

yeah, they think burned  somebody..but it's probably almost certainly not a white person, so  meh, amirite? Ladies and Gentlemen, the LAPD! Unabashed cowards, bullies, and racists -- with big guns -- ain't a recipe for peace in our times, i promise you, it's not.

Wow, this Dorner thing is becoming a magic mirror. People just see whatever they want to see in there. Scary.


Dorner had his six day spree... not a 20 year spree.. i think you need to get some perspective, kiddo. Two wrongs dont make a right, so i'm not here to defend Dorner - i'm here to castigate the LAPD. Bunch of farkwad extra-judicial cowards... now THAT can fark a country up, over time. Dorner had no chance of doing that on his own.. it took the LAPD's OWN actions to prove his point! They are murders just the same... but they get wave runners! how am I NOT supposed to be mad at that?
2013-02-13 03:08:26 AM
1 votes:

LookForTheArrow: Owangotang: LookForTheArrow: You cant understand this basic fact - that no matter what you allege happened or how many news stories proclaim what, tonight was a plain extra-legal execution.

Looked like one morally bankrupt out-of-control force taking out another morally bankrupt out-of-control force to me. It's hard to avoid deadly force when the target brags about things like asymetrical farking warfare.

Where is the outrage for Dorner's victims? Even if you are so jaded that you feel his killing cops is OK, what about Monica Quan and her fiance?

yeah, they think burned  somebody..but it's probably almost certainly not a white person, so  meh, amirite? Ladies and Gentlemen, the LAPD! Unabashed cowards, bullies, and racists -- with big guns -- ain't a recipe for peace in our times, i promise you, it's not.


Wow, this Dorner thing is becoming a magic mirror. People just see whatever they want to see in there. Scary.
2013-02-13 02:57:47 AM
1 votes:

LookForTheArrow: tonight was a plain extra-legal execution. He was not killed in hot pursuit, he was cordoned off. you who don't understand this are probably also gun nuts


As a gun nut I believe it was an execution.

I even said up thread that some of the corroborating evidence to this was the 2 incidents where police started shooting at people in trucks that didn't really match the description of Dorners vehicle without bothering to ask them to pull over (one incident involved ramming the vehicle) or ask them to exit the vehicle. Now if those incidents involved LAPD it's one thing....but those 2 incidents involved 2 seperate police departments that were not LAPD.
2013-02-13 02:42:58 AM
1 votes:

davidphogan: Anyone remember the conspiracy about why fish and wildlife needed so many bullets for training?


Yes. I was thinking the same. Now the tinfoil-hatters should understand why they those need guns and bullets.

The theorists are going to latch onto the fish and wildlife guys finding him.  Alex Jones will be on that soon.

Just checked. So far he's only implied that Mr Dorner got Waco'd.  Which doesn't actually seem too far from the truth, assuming he was still in there when it burned. I don't condone anything the asshat allegedly did, but it doesn't seem like they made much effort to capture him alive. I didn't have much hope of this, but roasting the suspect alive just makes more fodder for the conspiracy pimps and makes the cops look even worse.

Anyway, my sympathies are with the families of the victims. and the two ladies who got shot by Officer Itchy McTriggerfinger.
2013-02-13 02:38:36 AM
1 votes:

Owangotang: TheJoe03: Owangotang: He poisoned his message by killing people, to call such actions "impressive" really shows what sort of monster you are.

So the corruption of LA cops is no longer a reality and people aren't more aware of how corrupt they are since he killed people? It surely makes him look bad but that doesn't change what the reality of what he was talking about.

It most likely is a reality, however when someone says he got screwed over by a corrupt police department and then proceeds to kill people to make his point why in the hell should we believe he was screwed over in the first place? His actions made him an unreliable, at best, messenger.


And the actions of his accused made them equally so.
2013-02-13 02:37:59 AM
1 votes:
RE: Slave Patrol

I was pretty sure that was BS. Now I just wish it was BS.Wikipedia is 'ok', but trusting it as a source on fiber optic standards cost me a point or two in college. But I'm still trusting 'dot EDU' pages.

http://rinr.fsu.edu/issue2001/slavery.html
2013-02-13 02:26:54 AM
1 votes:

Owangotang: Author a rambling rant against the LAPD in which you clearly state that you will be bringing violence against the LAPD?

Fark's response: "Well he is only ALLEGEDLY a cop killer, just because he said those things DOES. NOT. MEAN. he killed anyone!

Claim on police radio that the burners are ready, suggesting that the police may be lighting the cabin on fire intentionally?

Fark's response: "F*CK THE POLICE, CLEARLY THEY MURDERED THIS MAN! IT'S ALL IN THEIR WORDS!"


I don't think it was the killings the people got behind (for some anyways), as much as it was him getting fired for trying to expose corruption, then cops shooting up different colored people without warning and being let off the hook, while throwing out the law book.  It's some pretty farking scary shiat.  I can tell you, anyone that is fine with is is a sub-urban white person.
2013-02-13 02:25:41 AM
1 votes:

Owangotang: He poisoned his message by killing people, to call such actions "impressive" really shows what sort of monster you are.


So the corruption of LA cops is no longer a reality and people aren't more aware of how corrupt they are since he killed people? It surely makes him look bad but that doesn't change what the reality of what he was talking about.
2013-02-13 02:23:49 AM
1 votes:

Owangotang: Fark's response: "F*CK THE POLICE, CLEARLY THEY MURDERED THIS MAN! IT'S ALL IN THEIR WORDS!"


So you think that cops should act in the same way as criminals?
2013-02-13 02:18:07 AM
1 votes:
Author a rambling rant against the LAPD in which you clearly state that you will be bringing violence against the LAPD?

Fark's response: "Well he is only ALLEGEDLY a cop killer, just because he said those things DOES. NOT. MEAN. he killed anyone!

Claim on police radio that the burners are ready, suggesting that the police may be lighting the cabin on fire intentionally?

Fark's response: "F*CK THE POLICE, CLEARLY THEY MURDERED THIS MAN! IT'S ALL IN THEIR WORDS!"
2013-02-13 01:56:47 AM
1 votes:

Aigoo: 1791 (when the 2nd Amendment was ratified) definition:
A properly functioningbodyof citizen (asopposedtoprofessional)soldiers, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be be eroded by gradual steps or by stealth beyond proper limits (CCW, background checks, denying violent felons, mentally ill or unstable and those with protective orders against them are proper limits--I say this as a gun owner and CCW holder).


But where did we stand on this in 1789?  You know, when the Constitution was ratified?  All this amendment stuff isn't true to the original intent of the Founders... ;)
2013-02-13 01:52:08 AM
1 votes:

Coastalgrl: Can a police department be disbanded and responsibilities be split between surrounding communities?


The town I grew up in used to have a police department.  Chief was a good guy; I met him once or twice when I was a kid.  When I was a... teenager, I guess, maybe... the Mayor disbanded the department, citing costs, and ever since they've had state troopers from a barracks 20 miles away swing through now and then.

I've long suspected that the disbanding had  something to do with the fact that a house that had been condemned due to a highway widening project (but was otherwise apparently structurally sound) disappeared one day, and a short time later the town's finest found it sitting on a house-moving trailer, on an out-of-the-way lot owned by... the Mayor's husband.

Moral of the story: Only  good police departments get disbanded.
2013-02-13 01:45:51 AM
1 votes:
Anyone remember the conspiracy about why fish and wildlife needed so many bullets for training?

The theorists are going to latch onto the fish and wildlife guys finding him.  Alex Jones will be on that soon.
2013-02-13 01:30:43 AM
1 votes:
If for some reason this hasn't been posted yet:  http://forums.rimoftheworld.net/showthread.php?12312-Car-Jacking-Big- B ear

It's all the scanner chatter transcribed.
2013-02-13 01:22:49 AM
1 votes:

udhq: BraveNewCheneyWorld: udhq: Nope.  Sorry.  You're absolutely, objectively wrong.

Our legal interpretations in this country come from the judiciary, not the OED, and no court has ever suggested any meaning of "well regulated" other than what any literate person--who's not a self-serving, gun-nut--knows those words to mean.

It takes a special kind of willful ignorance to argue that the legal system is not founded upon standardization of definitions. I see you're going the "repeat a lie and it becomes truth" method. Well, have fun with that, I'm sure you'll convince someone that the meaning of "well regulated" during the time the 2nd amendment was written is irrelevant to how it should be interpreted today.

So why are you trying to use a definition that is specific to British English to interpret our laws, when American English was almost 200 years old and almost completely distinct by the time of the drafting of the constitution?


Wrong thread for this argument, but since you want to have it and have it here, why are you using a modern definition when the English language changes dramatically over time? 90 years ago, the word "gay" did not refer to homosexuality and wasn't used in a derogatory fashion, but today, it is.

So let's play a substitution game. In context of the original language of the Amendment, without the benefit of the judicial, let a common layman decide--as is our custom in this country when it comes to the ratification of the Constitution--which makes more sense. Try to keep in mind that Jefferson, who wrote the final Amendment as it stands today, racist though he was, also wrote the Declaration of Independence and was an advocate of great personal liberty, minimal government interference in the lives of citizens, and the necessity of the people to stand against and prevent tyranny--by peaceful means whenever and wherever possible, by the shedding of blood when all peaceful means had been exhausted and proved inadequate.

modern definition:
A well-governed, directed, ruled,organized armed force of a countryunder the control of law or constituted authority, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be eroded by gradual steps or by stealth beyond proper limits (CCW, background checks, denying violent felons, mentally ill or unstable and those with protective orders against them are proper limits--I say this as a gun owner and CCW holder).

1791 (when the 2nd Amendment was ratified) definition:
A properly functioningbodyof citizen (asopposedtoprofessional)soldiers, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be be eroded by gradual steps or by stealth beyond proper limits (CCW, background checks, denying violent felons, mentally ill or unstable and those with protective orders against them are proper limits--I say this as a gun owner and CCW holder).

 Pick up a book on word etymology and history before speaking as to the relevance of language, please. But first, familiarize yourself with SCOTUS decisions District of Columbia v. Heller and McDonald v Chicago if you are so terribly concerned with the judiciary's thoughts. Fun fact: the judiciary affirmed the individual Second Amendment right to bear arms unconnected to military service in both decisions.
2013-02-13 01:10:55 AM
1 votes:
Damn, why won't you people stop replying to me!?

m00: omeganuepsilon: Close enough for government work. You rationalize the action.

Except this isn't government work.


And that's where all farks given suddenly dried up.

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/close_enough_for_government_work

All the misapplications of logical fallacies are icing on the cake.  Not sure if you're a stalker, or an alt of someone i've got on ignore who is a known stalker, but I see what you did there.  You're actually cribbing parts of my posts from other threads.

But one point.

m00: This is completely different than "rule by majority." But you are arguing as though I had somehow advocated "rule by majority" as a desirable situation. So this is really a double strawman -- first, substituting "rule by majority" where I said "need to change minds to have a successful law" and secondly behaving as though I was advocating "rule by majority" a concept which I did not introduce.


m00: But those core values have changed, that's my point. Defending the 2nd amendment (or anything in the Bill of Rights) is useless from a legal standpoint if does not reflect the inner will of the majority of the people.


Close enough for government work.

Whatever, you're hitting the ignore list now.  Can only deal with an outright liar in so many ways, and in a thread like this, wading through the bullshiat will be a tad easier when I get up in the morning without your contributions to the rank piles.
2013-02-13 01:08:15 AM
1 votes:

firefly212: no they werent

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCdqybEfy9w&feature=youtu.be

"we're going to go forward with the plan, with the burners, like we talked about"
"deploy the burners, fark it, burn it down"
"burners deployed, we have a fire"

These LAPD officers are murderers, and they aren't even trying to hide it. Murderers hunting murderers... there's a reason when people hunt down the LAPD, the rest of the country cheers.

Due process in LA means the cops will shoot six or seven people while hunting you, then torch you alive... if these farkers don't end up in jail, then I'll be the first to publicly cheer for whoever kills them.


Yup.  This will be why they encrypt their communications.  They claim officer safety, but it's to stop people from knowing how they really operate.

How many times have they done this before?
2013-02-13 01:07:39 AM
1 votes:
His name is Christopher Dorner.

His name is Christopher Dorner.

His name is Christopher Dorner.

His NAME is CHRISTOPHER DORNER!
2013-02-13 01:05:50 AM
1 votes:

Mr. Breeze: davidphogan: Mr. Breeze: davidphogan: LookForTheArrow: Apparently, The LAPD just executed  someone, without due process, and without reason, since they knew they had whoever it was (they weren't totally sure who!) in a position they could not escape from.

How did they assassinate him?

They might not have. The LAPD still are not sure it's his body and that's bothersome.

That would make sense since the SB Sheriff's Office should be the investigating agency.

I'll just say "law enforcement" since I'm not from CA and don't really know the area.


I've worked with a number of police departments in California, and the CHP's and County Sheriffs are way more professional and respectable than the local cops (like LAPD.)  The LAPD does what they're told to when dealing with county/state/federal law enforcement, they're not going to take over this scene.
2013-02-13 01:04:02 AM
1 votes:

m00: omeganuepsilon: Close enough for government work. You rationalize the action.

Except this isn't government work. Words mean specific things. And they mean the things that they mean, not the things that are convenient for your argument. See: strawman.

omeganuepsilon: What does the will of the majority of the people have to do with this?

Re-read my two posts. Again, I use words. I put them together to create a concept. You can agree or disagree with the concept, but someone who has read my posts ought to know my answer to this. My understanding is that you intended for this to be rhetorical, but I don't think you are arguing against my actual words.

omeganuepsilon: The founders, and anyone with an IQ over 80

ad hominem

omeganuepsilon: recognize that a democracy that's got the ability to vote away people's rights is going to devolve into a shiat hole really fast.

argumentum ad populum

omeganuepsilon: Contrary to popular belief, that many people can be wrong. The earth isn't flat, mice don't spawn from discarded rags in the shed, you don't get cancer from masturbation, etc.

Fallacy of composition

omeganuepsilon: I place zero faith in the people at large.
Intellectual debate? Sure. (Of course, that hasn't been had in our government in quite some time, or on fark. )
Demonstrable science? Sure.
Science taught in Our Sister Mercy catholic school? Well, I'd have to review the whole curriculum.

But rule by majority who's whims come and go year by year, generation by generation? fark NO!

Another strawman -- I said specifically that laws cannot change minds, and you cannot legislate X successfully without additionally changing those minds to be in agreement with X. I stated this as my observation on human nature. This is completely different than "rule by majority."  But you are arguing as though I had somehow advocated "rule by majority" as a desirable situation. So this is really a double strawman -- first, substituting "rule by majority" where I said "need to cha ...


You are either completely analdevistated about him or you care way, way too much about Fark comments.
2013-02-13 12:59:00 AM
1 votes:

tweek46420: davidphogan: ongbok: davidphogan: Did anyone else notice the fish and game warden ended up pulling a Rubio and chugging water during his press conference?

It is hard, thirst inducing work burning a man alive. If you don't believe you try it. Just try it.

I accidentally cooked microwave popcorn for 22:22 instead of 2:22.  I know what a terrible burning smells like.

I had a coworker put her microwave mac and cheese and forgot to add water.....it was not pretty


While I was on the trans-Alaska pipeline, an Eskimo employee put seal oil in the microwave to warm it up for his pancakes and got distracted. They had to evacuate and bring in air exchangers.
2013-02-13 12:58:01 AM
1 votes:
I'm rather upset the guy is dead. Something was obviously going on for him, either entirely in his head, genuinely rooted in reality, or some combination thereof and we will never have a chance to understand what. It's a travesty. I'm so tired of people who think that someone who 'snaps' just needs to put down when there is a legitimate chance that the issue is mental they deserve the chance to get help.

I can understand how you feel about mentally helping him, however at what body count of people trying to help him? He was killing and injuring too many people not to be stopped. He could have called in the FBI to meet him while he was on the run to turn himself in and gain federal protection. Dorner could have hired and attorney and sat down together at the FBI to peacefully investigate his firing. Dorner didn't do that.

He sold us a story about being wronged and wanted us on his side. He wrote a raving manifesto telling us how he was going to kill cops and their families...and go to war with them. Dorner chose warfare.

When the LEO's chose their lives over someone's property because their was a well armed and well trained cop killer inside who declaired war...I cannot fault them for burning down the house.

Dorner either had a mental breakdown on his own and that is why he was fired, or he snapped after getting fired. Instead of going postal inside his former workplace, he took his show on the road. Dorner isn't a folk hero. He was a disgruntled worker with a deep desire to kill.
2013-02-13 12:51:49 AM
1 votes:

ParagonComplex: Interesting that CNN was asked to stop airing a live feed (like Waco), because they said he could use the television to plan an escape. Problem with that is the owner of the cabin said it had no television, cell phone, telephone, or internet reception.


"We must keep this from the serfs, lest they gain literacy and threaten the landed gentry."
2013-02-13 12:50:07 AM
1 votes:

ParagonComplex: Interesting that CNN was asked to stop airing a live feed (like Waco), because they said he could use the television to plan an escape. Problem with that is the owner of the cabin said it had no television, cell phone, telephone, or internet reception.


What about cell phone signals?
2013-02-13 12:46:45 AM
1 votes:

Infernalist: davidphogan: Mr. Breeze: davidphogan: LookForTheArrow: Apparently, The LAPD just executed  someone, without due process, and without reason, since they knew they had whoever it was (they weren't totally sure who!) in a position they could not escape from.

How did they assassinate him?

They might not have. The LAPD still are not sure it's his body and that's bothersome.

That would make sense since the SB Sheriff's Office should be the investigating agency.

If he's not dead, there's going to be seriously scared police looking under their beds tonight.


If he survived this I'll be buying stock in Rockstar Games, because this is the best ad for GTA 5 they could have come up with.
2013-02-13 12:45:28 AM
1 votes:
Goodnight hero.

Hopefully some more of the pigs will kill themselves over the innocents they shot and their families that were murdered by this true American hero because of their actions.

And go all 7 people that were innocently shot/shot at by the LAPD. Sue them and press charges on every one of those corrupt pigs.
2013-02-13 12:43:16 AM
1 votes:

Hector Remarkable: TheJoe03: gregscott: Odd isn't it, how comments like many of the ones above don't recognize the sadness of that, but dial 911 when they are in dire need.

I have literally never been helped by a cop, just hassled.

You sound law-breaky.


Hah, generally I try to avoid interacting with cops as someone who generally follows the law. The only time I've ever been in a situation expecting help from cops was after I got shot in a mugging, and rather than being helpful they insinuated that I was dealing drugs or something unsavory and more or less deserved it. Haven't heard anything from them past the first month after I got shot, but then again they're the Phoenix PD so they probably have better things to do, like harassing mexicans and questioning the president's citizenship.

But seriously, fark cops. They don't prevent crime, they're generally somewhat useless investigating anything other than a domestic dispute and are generally just asses with their authority. I'm not saying anything Dorner did was right, but hearing about a cop dying doesn't really do anything for me emotionally. Overall just a bunch of dumb thugs.
2013-02-13 12:41:17 AM
1 votes:

BarkingUnicorn: Fark Rye For Many Whores: How does anyone have a conversation in these threads, in the time I'm typing 100 people have yelled at each other 200 times.

It would be nice if Fark had threaded conversations like so many other forums.


www.unitrends.com
2013-02-13 12:36:13 AM
1 votes:

freewill: hulk hogan meat shoes: This man will go down as a true American Hero.

He's going to be pretty surprised when he comes out of his Baja cave in twenty years and finds out that his "death" led to massive reforms in California law enforcement, that his manifesto is required reading at the police academy, and that he is seen as both a visionary and a martyr.

[images.hitfix.com image 326x217]

davidphogan: Did anyone else notice the fish and game warden ended up pulling a Rubio and chugging water during his press conference?

I feel like Fish and Wildlife is the most trustworthy agency involved in this whole thing.



Feb 12 is already Lincoln's birthday. If we end up commemorating Dorner-inspired police-force reforms, and create a "Dorner Day" in the future, what day would you suggest?


The Man They Call Dorner

He threatened the evil
He defended the poor
Stood up to the man
And he gave him what for
His saintly reforms
Helps the cops turn a corner
The Hero of SoCal
The man they call Dorner

Dorner saw the common man's backs breakin'
He saw the civilians laments
And he saw the magistrate takin'
Every dollar and leavin' five cents
So he said "You can't do that to my people"
He said "Can't crush them under your heel"
Dorner strapped on his Rifle
And in five seconds flat
Let them knew what we feel...

(Chorus)
Now here is what separates heroes
From common folk like you and I
The man they call Dorner
Looked 'em straigt in the eye
He stole away our pain
And headed out for the sky
2013-02-13 12:35:28 AM
1 votes:

Lorelle: pedrop357: Summary:
"Some folks want you to believe [insert false choice], but they're wrong. My administration is committed to [insert Utopian scheme] and we will [insert demonstrably false and/or impossible course of action]. Because [assertion of necessity of equal outcomes]."

Rinse, repeat.

Wow, you Teabaggers STILL aren't over the election.


not much of a teabagger, doesn't change that he's as full of shiat and vacuous as the last guy.
2013-02-13 12:33:54 AM
1 votes:

Fark Rye For Many Whores: How does anyone have a conversation in these threads, in the time I'm typing 100 people have yelled at each other 200 times.


What's a conversation? I thought this was just a place to argue with people you may or may not agree with.

/type faster;)
2013-02-13 12:18:52 AM
1 votes:

hulk hogan meat shoes: This man will go down as a true American Hero.


He's going to be pretty surprised when he comes out of his Baja cave in twenty years and finds out that his "death" led to massive reforms in California law enforcement, that his manifesto is required reading at the police academy, and that he is seen as both a visionary and a martyr.

images.hitfix.com

davidphogan: Did anyone else notice the fish and game warden ended up pulling a Rubio and chugging water during his press conference?


I feel like Fish and Wildlife is the most trustworthy agency involved in this whole thing.
2013-02-13 12:14:26 AM
1 votes:
This man will go down as a true American Hero.
2013-02-13 12:14:20 AM
1 votes:

Lorelle: omeganuepsilon: Very convenient for it all to happen during the SOTU when almost literally no media coverage would be had.

I was rather bummed that I didn't get to see or hear the President because every TV station and practically every AM radio station here in SoCal had continuous live coverage of the shootout since early afternoon.


Summary:
"Some folks want you to believe [insert false choice], but they're wrong. My administration is committed to [insert Utopian scheme] and we will [insert demonstrably false and/or impossible course of action]. Because [assertion of necessity of equal outcomes]."

Rinse, repeat.
2013-02-13 12:01:52 AM
1 votes:

freewill: Maybe they only thought they saw that, maybe it was a cardboard cutout like Home Alone, maybe Dorner tied up a hostage, maybe it was a homeless squatter or some other criminal caught up in the sweep shooting at them and that's the charred body they initially recovered and are now frantically unremembering.


"Rutherford unperson. Substitute Ogilvy. Ogilvy blog details as follows: war hero, recently killed, Malabar front. Today awarded posthumous secondary order of conspicuous merit second class."
2013-02-12 11:57:43 PM
1 votes:

davidphogan: Unlikely.  The police have said they saw a person who opened fire at them.  Unless he got someone else to take the fall here he's probably dead.


Maybe they only thought they saw that, maybe it was a cardboard cutout like Home Alone, maybe Dorner tied up a hostage, maybe it was a homeless squatter or some other criminal caught up in the sweep shooting at them and that's the charred body they initially recovered and are now frantically unremembering.
2013-02-12 11:57:06 PM
1 votes:

Elegy: ncsu_wolfpack: I'm not a conspiracy nut job but... I heard this on the scanner, and someone actually captured it. Talks about going ahead with the plan, the burn.

Gets interesting around 29:00, at 29:30ish is the wtf moment.  I heard this a little before 7pm est.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=fbc_1360721946

Milspec encrypted comm coming soon to a police department near you, courtesy of a homeland security grant.


They'll just speed up the building of their P25 system and encrypt all these channels and conveniently forget to record them.
2013-02-12 11:57:01 PM
1 votes:

Popcorn Johnny: Some of you try to claim conspiracies when there's absolutely no reason for one to exist.  What would possibly be gained by lying about whether or not a body had been found yet?


um
your inability to imagine a reason, does not negate the possibility of a reason
conspiracies exist because people can imagine plausible theories and reasons.
we laugh at the completely implausible, but the rest have some verisimilitude.

when you factor in things like the number of factual cases of cops covering things up, esp to hide embarrassment or crimes, it becomes fairly easy to understand why people are skeptical of anything that the police say.

unless you are just a troll ...

let's play a game:
you come up with the simplest, most basic reason that you can think of why the cops might be lying.
if you cant, explain why not. is it that you have no imagination? are not trying? stupid? refuse to believe that cops ever make things up? delusional??
m00
2013-02-12 11:54:20 PM
1 votes:

davidphogan: Unlikely. The police have said they saw a person who opened fire at them. Unless he got someone else to take the fall here he's probably dead.


yea but dont the police say a lot of things?
2013-02-12 11:53:58 PM
1 votes:
Got a question for people out there.

It seems that many people can agree that LAPD is corrupt and has serious problems. Problems that have been clearly demonstrated in the past. Presently, these problems have escalated into firing on their own citizens that they are supposed to 'serve and protect' while on a frantic manhunt.

Is there a statute to replace an entire police department? Can a police department be disbanded and responsibilities be split between surrounding communities? To take it a scary step further, can the military take over a corrupt police department that is hell bent on killing citizens, innocent or otherwise?
2013-02-12 11:48:48 PM
1 votes:

LaughingRadish: How's this for a wild idea?  Dorner was long gone before the cops even got to the cabin.  He set some trap guns to fire on anyone opening the door, confident that the cops would likely be by soon.  Once a shot was fired, the cops would shoot at each other from opposite sides of the building, each thinking the bullets were coming from inside.  Then they burn the cabin down and, presto, no body.


Thermal optics could detect a body inside the house, but we are talking about cops, they seem to be immune to to common sense/competence.
2013-02-12 11:46:26 PM
1 votes:

ncsu_wolfpack: I'm not a conspiracy nut job but... I heard this on the scanner, and someone actually captured it. Talks about going ahead with the plan, the burn.

Gets interesting around 29:00, at 29:30ish is the wtf moment.  I heard this a little before 7pm est.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=fbc_1360721946


Milspec encrypted comm coming soon to a police department near you, courtesy of a homeland security grant.
2013-02-12 11:44:56 PM
1 votes:
How's this for a wild idea?  Dorner was long gone before the cops even got to the cabin.  He set some trap guns to fire on anyone opening the door, confident that the cops would likely be by soon.  Once a shot was fired, the cops would shoot at each other from opposite sides of the building, each thinking the bullets were coming from inside.  Then they burn the cabin down and, presto, no body.
2013-02-12 11:36:34 PM
1 votes:

max_pooper: Popcorn Johnny: tshauk: I don't know, but the news anchors are sticking by their sources and keep saying they have a body....soooo

Some of you try to claim conspiracies when there's absolutely no reason for one to exist.  What would possibly be gained by lying about whether or not a body had been found yet?

I don't know. Why would police shoot at two Asian women in a different model and color pick up truck?


Wasn't just model and color, they weren't even the correct make.  One was a farking Honda.  Which leaves us two possible judgements, the pig wanted those women dead, or they are just that farking stupid.  I think they are just horrible human beings.  Whether they are retarded or evil i have trouble discerning, what I'm sure of, is that we don't need them to be taking up surface space on this planet.
2013-02-12 11:34:57 PM
1 votes:

star_topology: Giltric: Kentucky Fried Children: NEWSBREAK - http://ktla.com/live/#axzz2KkRPjWD1

LAPD saying no body has been located in the cabin, still too hot to locate body.

/Dorner away!

I hope that is true because after listening to the police say burn the house down I think I'm gonna start rooting for Dorner.

Let's not go that far. This isn't an episode of Prison Break.




True, but its hard not to feel empathy for your fellow human being (even if he is being an ass). This is what sets us apart from rampage killers and cops who torch buildings for timely results.
We still wanted to see Dorner brought to trial alive.
The method chosen to finally root him out specifically prevented that.
...Then there's the media fanning the flames, just to encourage the copycats.

As a result I can't help but get the feeling that we created a monster who's job is making more monsters.
2013-02-12 11:34:34 PM
1 votes:

davidphogan: Kentucky Fried Children: Go to KTLA, LAPD PIO says the San Bernadino Sheriffs Dept has not located a body yet.  Fire is still too hot to search...

He made that really, really clear.

Popcorn Johnny: You'd think they'd want to douse the cabin with as much water as it takes to cool things off so they can make entry and confirm if he's there or not.

That would destroy even more evidence probably.



Evidence?  They don't need no stinkin' evidence.

\plus, favorable evidence can always be fabricated in a pinch
2013-02-12 11:33:56 PM
1 votes:

BarkingUnicorn: dave2198: beta_plus: [murderpedia.org image 570x381]

Nazi racist homophobes misogynists who got what they deserved for using assault rifles on angelic ATF officers

[media.heavy.com image 640x360]

True American Hero for killing the daughter of a minority-who-we-don't-like police officer

This is what liberals actually believe.  No really, look at what they've said over the last several days.

Uhhh... this liberal is glad he's dead.  What the hell are you talking about?

Many libs and cons are NOT glad he's dead.  They've been robbed of a court TV circus.


You're a horrible farking person, y'know that?

I'm rather upset the guy is dead. Something was obviously going on for him, either entirely in his head, genuinely rooted in reality, or some combination thereof and we will never have a chance to understand what. It's a travesty. I'm so tired of people who think that someone who 'snaps' just needs to put down when there is a legitimate chance that the issue is mental they deserve the chance to get help.
2013-02-12 11:31:14 PM
1 votes:
omeganuepsilon:

Very convenient for it all to happen during the SOTU when almost literally no media coverage would be had.

Except for news outlets running coverage.  And online.  And live feeds.  And police scanners.

Truly they scheduled this all as a smoke screen!
2013-02-12 11:29:25 PM
1 votes:

Kentucky Fried Children: While this saga continues... moar memes!
[i0.kym-cdn.com image 500x498]


Not much to continue at the moment.  CNN said they got the guy in the cabin, (but no official statements).  Positive ID will take quite some time, hours to a day or so.  Specifically mentioned DNA tests, not dental records.  So he was either shot or suffocated, I think, not burned to a crisp at any rate.

Very convenient for it all to happen during the SOTU when almost literally no media coverage would be had.
2013-02-12 11:28:17 PM
1 votes:

beta_plus: [murderpedia.org image 570x381]

Nazi racist homophobes misogynists who got what they deserved for using assault rifles on angelic ATF officers

[media.heavy.com image 640x360]

True American Hero for killing the daughter of a minority-who-we-don't-like police officer

This is what liberals actually believe.  No really, look at what they've said over the last several days.


Uhhh... this liberal is glad he's dead.  What the hell are you talking about?
2013-02-12 11:27:24 PM
1 votes:

deffuse: Thingster: deffuse: Huh, ignoring one person removed ~35 posts from this thread.

Ignoring people is boring. I favorite those types in bright colors so I know what to skip, but can still reference if needed.

Clever....  However I would then have to decide what colour represented Dumbassedness, which could be be tricky.  Blue?  Red?


I use Safety Orange.
2013-02-12 11:19:20 PM
1 votes:
I just wanted to say good luck, we're all counting on you.
2013-02-12 11:17:14 PM
1 votes:

doglover: In today's news Waco 2: Big Bear Boogaloo

The At Least There Were No Kids This Time Edition


No video this time either.
2013-02-12 11:16:32 PM
1 votes:
Unbelievable, they better make up their minds
and what if they never find him...

BIG BEAR LAKE / 2025
www.peoplefirsttourism.com
"It was a night,, just like tonight, not very far from this spot..."
Legends start this way
2013-02-12 11:14:32 PM
1 votes:

max_pooper: deffuse: Thingster: deffuse: Huh, ignoring one person removed ~35 posts from this thread.

Ignoring people is boring. I favorite those types in bright colors so I know what to skip, but can still reference if needed.

Clever....  However I would then have to decide what colour represented Dumbassedness, which could be be tricky.  Blue?  Red?

Maroon? Sounds the closest to moran...


Everyone on my favorites lists is a dumbass, you pick the color based on the TYPE of asshole.  The color designations are arbitrary/random.  Just like homeland security, the colors develop their own significance, or lack there of, after application.
2013-02-12 11:11:09 PM
1 votes:
murderpedia.org

Nazi racist homophobes misogynists who got what they deserved for using assault rifles on angelic ATF officers

media.heavy.com

True American Hero for killing the daughter of a minority-who-we-don't-like police officer

This is what liberals actually believe.  No really, look at what they've said over the last several days.
2013-02-12 11:08:50 PM
1 votes:
I don't think he had much more to say about LAPD than was in his manifesto, which revealed the shocking truth that  LAPD closed review boards tend to exonerate the accused officer.  And yes, it seems he's a crispy critter and not the goddamn Batman.
2013-02-12 11:08:30 PM
1 votes:
Has the rioting started in L.A.?
2013-02-12 11:08:06 PM
1 votes:

Kentucky Fried Children: NEWSBREAK - http://ktla.com/live/#axzz2KkRPjWD1

LAPD saying no body has been located in the cabin, still too hot to locate body.

/Dorner away!


I hope that is true because after listening to the police say burn the house down I think I'm gonna start rooting for Dorner.
2013-02-12 11:06:37 PM
1 votes:
NEWSBREAK - http://ktla.com/live/#axzz2KkRPjWD1

LAPD saying no body has been located in the cabin, still too hot to locate body.

/Dorner away!
2013-02-12 11:06:01 PM
1 votes:
No body has been found
2013-02-12 11:05:46 PM
1 votes:
Seems appropriate.
i759.photobucket.com
2013-02-12 11:04:03 PM
1 votes:

deffuse: Huh, ignoring one person removed ~35 posts from this thread.


Ignoring people is boring. I favorite those types in bright colors so I know what to skip, but can still reference if needed.
2013-02-12 11:03:26 PM
1 votes:

Christian Bale: The cabin was engulfed in flames shortly thereafter, but it's not clear how the fire started.


In before ITS WACO ALL OVER AGAIN

/maybe. haven't checked all the comments


You aren't even CLOSE to being before.
2013-02-12 11:02:35 PM
1 votes:
Surprised no one caught this gem off the CNN website:[Updated at 9:14 p.m. ET] Earlier, we reported that U.S. Marshals Service district chief Kurt Ellingson told us a suspect tried to get out the back door of the cabin at some point today and was pushed back inside. But there are now conflicting reports about whether the suspect ever emerged.Ellingson says authorities are not sure whether the suspect came out.
2013-02-12 11:01:18 PM
1 votes:
Huh, ignoring one person removed ~35 posts from this thread.
2013-02-12 10:59:49 PM
1 votes:

way south: finnished: So, if all Dorners guns had silencers on them, what was that "one shot" they supposedly heard before the place was torched?

They were saying some pretty wild things on CNN.
They kept repeating that he had a fifty caliber barret rifle (maybe two! ...one twenty pound rifle for each hand), and that he might even have an anti aircraft missile or rocket launcher.

I wager he didn't have even a fraction of that shiat on him. Probably just a rifle or two and a handgun. No NFA stuff.



This is the reliable and legitimate media Biden enlists in the fight against those who worry about tyrannical governments disarming them.
2013-02-12 10:59:30 PM
1 votes:

Giltric: adamatari: So, just so I'm straight on this...  "Tear gas" is code for "burn the place down", right?

If you were listening to the scanner "nurn the farking place down" is code for "burn the farking place down"

The populace has been looking the other way for a long time. Even after this situation where police are on tape yet again conspiring to murder a suspect (wasn't that in Dorners manifesto also?) the populace will continue to look the other way...


And they'll push to encrypt more of their comms...for officer safety of course.
2013-02-12 10:59:24 PM
1 votes:
In today's news Waco 2: Big Bear Boogaloo

The At Least There Were No Kids This Time Edition
2013-02-12 10:56:24 PM
1 votes:

ZeroCorpse: DORNER SIGHTED NEAR GRAUMAN'S CHINESE RESTAURANT! MANHUNT CONTINUES!



LAPD forensics takes footprints at the scene, officers gun down all of Hollywood.
2013-02-12 10:52:49 PM
1 votes:

thisisarepeat: Popcorn Johnny: Zeno-25: LAPD had an obligation to wait this guy out and bring him to trial.

For all we know at this point, Dorner is responsible for the fire.

Oh yeah, everyone knows the first thing you do in a defensive position is set ALL of your cover on fire.

You may not know, but I've seen this one before.


And this.
2013-02-12 10:52:41 PM
1 votes:

Popcorn Johnny: Thingster: Except the whole cops yelling to torch the motherfarker, as recorded?

I listened to everything, that was never said.


Oh so sorry, paraphrased.

"burn that farker down, burn him out"
2013-02-12 10:51:50 PM
1 votes:
This is not over
Just a great example of America's
Self inflicted terror
2013-02-12 10:50:19 PM
1 votes:

Bontesla: So what's the over/under on the body's dental records NOT being a match for Dorner's?


I give it about 5:2 odds.

It it wasn't him in the burnatorium, I hope he buys tomorrow's paper with the headline about how he was killed and posts a picture on the internet of himself holding that paper Dewey Defeats Truman-style.
2013-02-12 10:47:42 PM
1 votes:

finnished: So, if all Dorners guns had silencers on them, what was that "one shot" they supposedly heard before the place was torched?


Silencers arent silent, and mortars don't sound like potato guns.  Hollywood lied to you.
2013-02-12 10:47:33 PM
1 votes:

Popcorn Johnny: Zeno-25: LAPD had an obligation to wait this guy out and bring him to trial.

For all we know at this point, Dorner is responsible for the fire.


Except the whole cops yelling to torch the motherfarker, as recorded?
2013-02-12 10:43:38 PM
1 votes:
LAPD had an obligation to wait this guy out and bring him to trial. Instead they burned him alive. This is to be expected, given that they almost killed several other people after suddenly opening fire/ramming two other unrelated pickups that weren't even the right make or color. Dorner may be dead but the LAPD has already proven his points.
2013-02-12 10:43:38 PM
1 votes:
So, just so I'm straight on this...  "Tear gas" is code for "burn the place down", right?
2013-02-12 10:42:04 PM
1 votes:

MrHappyRotter: At least he died doing what he loved.


Cooking?
2013-02-12 10:40:13 PM
1 votes:

Lenny_da_Hog: His flaw was trying to hard, loving too much.


Oh, and writing a manifesto.  When the fark are people going to learn to not write shiat down?  If Kyle the sniper had kept his head down and his mouth shut - you know, like a good sniper - he'd probably still be alive.  If Dorner hadn't  told people he was going to kill them, and had just gone and done it, he'd probably have taken out a lot more.
2013-02-12 10:38:00 PM
1 votes:

MrHappyRotter: CBS: "We don't know the condition of the body"

I'm going out on a limb here and saying the condition is dead.


Medium-well
2013-02-12 10:37:55 PM
1 votes:

The Bestest: MrHappyRotter: CBS: "We don't know the condition of the body"

Medium-well


Damn you to hell.
2013-02-12 10:37:16 PM
1 votes:

Fiction Fan: "What'd he do, shoot a cop??!?"

"LAPD will eat him alive!"


THIS.

That and it didnt help that he went against another cop - since he's more valuable to them dead than he is alive.  Murderous burnination by the LAPD would not only give them cover for Dorner's murders, it would ensure that any facts get burned with him.
2013-02-12 10:36:32 PM
1 votes:
So what's the over/under on the body's dental records NOT being a match for Dorner's?
2013-02-12 10:35:24 PM
1 votes:

Coco LaFemme: Why are some of you getting butthurt that this asshole is dead?  He killed two innocent people that had nothing to do with his beef with the LAPD.  I hope he rots in the hottest corner of Dante's Inferno.


Indeed.
I wish to thank the Law Enforcement Community of Southern California for stopping this killer.  Well done Officers!

Let's Recap:
He gets fired in '07
Waits 6 years and writes some tripe
Kills two innocent people
Can't even get a boat out of dock
Kills again
Trashes and burns his own truck
Holds hostages
Kills again
And finally manages to burn in the middle of winter
The Aristocratz!
2013-02-12 10:34:11 PM
1 votes:
CBS: "We don't know the condition of the body"

I'm going out on a limb here and saying the condition is dead.
2013-02-12 10:32:40 PM
1 votes:

Thingster: Bontesla: The Bestest: Bontesla: That is . . .  wow.
Oh my god.

Be honest.. did you really expect anything different?

I didn't have my money on setting the damned place ablaze.

This entire thing has been a clusterf*ck. Now that it's over - I have this instinct to check for my wallet. It feels like I'm waking up from being conned and I'm realizing how absolutely none of the story made a lick of sense. What just happened?

I had odds on the guy being smarter, 2ND vehicle, torch truck, massive missallocation of man power.

But as soon as you hear."(accused) cop killer holed up", he's getting burned out.


It was like Dorner had two distinct personalities: the amateur and the professional. He gets caught trying to steal a boat and writes a rambling manifesto with paragraphs gushing affection for celebrities in one moment . . . and the next he manages to survive a shootout between three officers, provides false trails away from a torched truck, stages appearances on security cameras  to thin resources (only to sneak back on the mountain that's being heavily guarded). Wat?
2013-02-12 10:28:54 PM
1 votes:
If he was wrongfully dismissed, he did his cause a disservice the moment he turned it into a vendetta and started killing people.  He could have passed the manifesto on to the press without killing anyone and odds are they would have dug deep because the press loves digging into corruption.  Hell, he may have been praised as a whistle-blower.  Now everything he alleged in his manifesto will be dismissed as the rantings of a loon...which seems more likely than him being unjustly fired.

Sad and unfortunate that 3 cops and one civilian had to die with at least another 4 other cops wounded for nothing.
2013-02-12 10:28:20 PM
1 votes:

Coco LaFemme: Why are some of you getting butthurt that this asshole is dead?  He killed two innocent people that had nothing to do with his beef with the LAPD.  I hope he rots in the hottest corner of Dante's Inferno.


Well - I primarily like to rely on the criminal justice system to process criminals - not merely trigger happy (or burner happy) cops surrounding the cabin of someone who looks like Dorner. This wasn't justice . . . and unfortunately the headline is that Dorner is dead - not that the LAPD has some explaining to do.
2013-02-12 10:24:38 PM
1 votes:

fnordfocus: Did both hostages die in the fire?


The cleaning ladies that discovered him in another cabin, whom he tied up and then left behind when he stole their car, the car that he wrecked after which he stole a truck to escape to the other cabin that he was in when it was burned down?

I'm guessing no.
2013-02-12 10:23:52 PM
1 votes:
Why are some of you getting butthurt that this asshole is dead?  He killed two innocent people that had nothing to do with his beef with the LAPD.  I hope he rots in the hottest corner of Dante's Inferno.
2013-02-12 10:17:17 PM
1 votes:

sheep snorter: Yup. Murder of perp. Execution by fire. Leave no witness's. All Farkers and Redditors are to be stalked down one by one and executed.

Some comment from elsewhere

He didn't set the house on fire, I and a bunch of other people have been listening to the scanner. About 20 minutes before the fire was set the police said they were going to go ahead with the "burners" then. Then later they said they had set fire to #1 and #2 which were references to the sides of the house. They didn't set the back on fire.

EDIT: Since most people are seeing this first, here are the posts I made in regards to my comment: http://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/18ef8e/christopher_dorner_in _gun_battle_with_authorities/c8e6d19?context=3

Here is also a timestamp of when it happened so if you get your hands on audio, you have an idea of what time to look for. This is in PST: http://i.imgur.com/y7fpSWk.png

EDIT 2: Audio of police allegedly saying "burn it down": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNk-bV40XMc&feature=youtu.be


That is . . .  wow.
Oh my god.
2013-02-12 10:16:35 PM
1 votes:

MaliFinn: Maybe in LA, but elsewhere people don't care much.  And that's fine, as long as it stays local.  They control local.


Eh, we hit several local restaurants in upstate NY for Fat Tuesday parties. This was on the big screen at every bar, and there was open discussion of the cops setting it with little disagreement. That was before there was video of them screaming "BURN IT DOWN". I'm assuming much of the country is the same.
2013-02-12 10:15:26 PM
1 votes:
What are you waiting for rookie?  His crime was attempted murder of a judge.  The sentence is death.

cdn-static.cnet.co.uk
Yes, sir
2013-02-12 10:12:16 PM
1 votes:

shower_in_my_socks: MaliFinn: Maybe in LA, but elsewhere people don't care much.


Right. That's why every NATIONAL news network in the country had it running nonstop for HOURS. Clearly, the national ratings must have sucked.

"Hey, we're going to stage a murder by STARTING A BONFIRE IN THE MIDDLE OF PRIMETIME. Nobody will notice!" Lulz.


They showed you exactly what they wanted you to see in the news hour.
2013-02-12 10:11:48 PM
1 votes:

Jimmysolson: Ned Stark: An armed citizenry remains a good idea in and of itself, regardless of the writing on the paper.

For what it's worth, I agree.


The right to bear arms is one thing, but no matter how smart or safe you are, when you bring a gun into your home, statistically it's going to kill one of your children before it ever stops a violent criminal or government tyrant.
2013-02-12 10:11:33 PM
1 votes:
A lot of Farkers were right, that the cops weren't going to take Dorner alive. But burning him to death didn't even cross my mind because I thought they would just shoot him to death.

Now I wonder how fast they'll re-close the case investigating Dorner's allegations of police abuse.
2013-02-12 10:10:49 PM
1 votes:

pedrop357: there's now even less incentive for a person who's committed a serious crime and in a standoff situation or on the run to surrender



So, "if you surrender, you won't burn to death" isn't incentive?
2013-02-12 10:07:02 PM
1 votes:

fredklein: We see how cops handle peaceful people.



Nice strawman. So you think that if he had walked into a police station with his hands up, they would have shot him? Get a farking grip. I know a lot of cops. Even a few in the LAPD. Not one of them is the kind of person you claim they are. But you've been easily fooled by a few bad apples who spoil the rest. Good work. Way to be an independent thinker.
2013-02-12 10:06:42 PM
1 votes:

shower_in_my_socks: Dorner could have turned himself in at anytime. That whole time he was on the run, he could have pulled up to any police station, got out with his hands up


And been shot full of lead before he said a word.

They couldn't even restrain themselves when a truck looked vaguely similar to his. Shot it to hell without hesitation.
2013-02-12 10:06:01 PM
1 votes:

BafflerMeal: Bontesla: cretinbob: King Something: tychno: Does this mean the LAPD will stop shooting at innocent people now?

No, not once this bit of audio goes viral (contains some NSFW language)

Well.....that was pretty clear

I can't see it right now. Would you mind summarizing?

Video of news on TV.  Audio from Police:

Burn this F**ker down!


Sounds like he was convicted and summarily punished without a proper trial if you ask me.
2013-02-12 10:05:23 PM
1 votes:

studebaker hoch: It only has 300 views now.


That's a Youtube glitch


Bontesla: I can't see it right now. Would you mind summarizing?


Cops on an open mic yelling "Burn that mother farker out" and then "Burn that farking house down" and then "They're doing it now" then "get going right now, farking burn this mother farker"
2013-02-12 10:03:56 PM
1 votes:

tenpoundsofcheese: Mrtraveler01: Otto_E_Rodika: One less Obama voter.

Is this the part where I remind everyone that he voted for John Huntsman in the primary and didn't vote in the general election?

Proof?  Are you taking the word of a madman?  Again?  Interesting.


Hey, everyone is taking his word that he was going to kill LAPD officer's relatives and have seemingly convicted him of the Quon killing. Why is it OK to believe that but not voting for Huntsman?
2013-02-12 10:01:20 PM
1 votes:

pedrop357: tychno: Does this mean the LAPD will stop shooting at innocent people now?

That's a silly question.

Everyone is another possible Dorner, and will be shot if the officer's spidey sense tingles in the least.


www.2000adonline.com
2013-02-12 09:59:09 PM
1 votes:
So in the end we will never find out what actually happened or if he got away ?
2013-02-12 09:58:25 PM
1 votes:
MSNBC confirming that Dorner belonged to a religious sect that taught that cop-killers are rewarded in the afterlife with 72 Gianna Michaelseses.
2013-02-12 09:57:08 PM
1 votes:
We didn't see all of the LEOs involved in this. Many were online.

Some raised flags like "stop tweeting tactical information".

We can only assume other LEOs have been contributing to discussion boards like fark. I won't ask them to out themselves, but they know who they are.
2013-02-12 09:54:40 PM
1 votes:
LAPD has confirmed that Chris Dorner has died from eight self-inflicted gunshots to the head in an apparent suicide.
2013-02-12 09:54:27 PM
1 votes:

Lenny_da_Hog: KidneyStone: I hate the fact that there's no trial or due process but there's virtually zero doubt this guy killed the DAUGHTER of someone he's mad at.  Losing your job, for right or wrong reasons, sure ain't gonna justify killing someone that wasn't involved.

Read about the Passover and tell that to God.


You may as well tell me to say it to Santa Claus because I don't believe in Santa any more than that bullshiat invisible sky ghost you call god.  Tell you what, pray to me and send me your money.  At least I'm tangible.
2013-02-12 09:50:10 PM
1 votes:
CBS news is saying it's official: High level sources confirming Dorner's body has been recovered from the burned down cabin.
2013-02-12 09:49:10 PM
1 votes:

Mrs. Beasley: Whar's my SOTU thread? WARRRRR? Boner looks constipated.


Why farking bother. All he's blabbing about is how he's going to take away our guns, raise our taxes, piss on the Constitution, share our wealth (*as if we had any to begin with), fark our women, steal our hopes and dreams, steal our retirement, fark up our healthcare (Ok, well, it's pretty farked up without him doing anything), cow tow to Eurotrash countries, run scared of North Korea and Iran, legitimize the boarder hoppers who strain our resources by having more kids than a clown car at Ringling Bros. Barnum and Bailey Circus, and flush our children's futures down the toilet. There...how's that for your SOTU thread.
2013-02-12 09:47:38 PM
1 votes:

shower_in_my_socks: How much you wanna bet that this goes full-Sandy-style with the media misinformation, and we find out later that the truck wasn't stolen, and nobody was in the house? Cable news cannot be trusted to get anything correct, unless it's with 20/20 hindsight.


4.bp.blogspot.com

You are expecting them to know what happened before it does maybe?
2013-02-12 09:45:03 PM
1 votes:

KidneyStone: I hate the fact that there's no trial or due process but there's virtually zero doubt this guy killed the DAUGHTER of someone he's mad at.  Losing your job, for right or wrong reasons, sure ain't gonna justify killing someone that wasn't involved.


Read about the Passover and tell that to God.
2013-02-12 09:42:01 PM
1 votes:

Bonanza Jellybean: LAPD set the fire intentionally:

Link


I'm sure after this, there will be a big push to speed up the building of their P25 system so they can have encryption and keep their illegal deeds from being heard again.
2013-02-12 09:40:39 PM
1 votes:

m00: See his big mistake was killing cops. If instead he was killing poor people in LA, this *might* get a detective part-time on the case.


If he was killing random females all over the place - and had half a brain, which he'd have to in order to keep doing it - he'd have a good 20 years of free play.
2013-02-12 09:38:48 PM
1 votes:

Bontesla: doglover: Bontesla: basemetal: doglover: basemetal: I've been away from the news, did they silence him?  Burn him out?

Full Waco, no body yet.

You know, I didn't even consider that they would go full Waco on him.

/hope the cabin was insured.

It's also been said (by a few in the media) that they could have just spent the afternoon negotiating and setting fire to an empty cabin.

I really thought cops had changed. It's been 20 years or so. But no, they ain't changed t'all.

When my cousin was murdered (we suspect by a dirty cop) - the lead detective brought his date to the crime scene.

I know a few good ones, too.

I just can't believe how terribly this entire thing has been handled.


I can. I listen to Adam Carolla. While I don't take him as a gospel source it's hard to ignore his talking points when his criticism of the LAPD as useless is the one thing EVERYONE agrees on. His whole schtick is saying something and being immediately proven wrong or contradicted. It's not the case with that argument or the passionfruit iced tea, though.
2013-02-12 09:38:39 PM
1 votes:

Bob_Laublaw: mekki: If that was Dorner in the cabin then there are a ton of people, myself included, who over estimated his intelligence. Who burns their survival gear right before going into the wilderness? Not only that but burns their truck and gear right in the path of where they are hiding marking a big sign that says, "Hey, I am over here! Search here."

These are mistakes made by an idiot.

Or, these were choices made by a guy who wanted the end game.


Or he had good plans that went hilariously awry.

Coming in the Summer of 2014: Chris Rock is...Chris Dorner. Co-starring Ben Stiller as Chief Beck.
2013-02-12 09:35:08 PM
1 votes:

Otto_E_Rodika: One less Obama voter.


Is this the part where I remind everyone that he voted for John Huntsman in the primary and didn't vote in the general election?
2013-02-12 09:34:25 PM
1 votes:

mekki: If that was Dorner in the cabin then there are a ton of people, myself included, who over estimated his intelligence. Who burns their survival gear right before going into the wilderness? Not only that but burns their truck and gear right in the path of where they are hiding marking a big sign that says, "Hey, I am over here! Search here."

These are mistakes made by an idiot.


Or, these were choices made by a guy who wanted the end game.
2013-02-12 09:33:08 PM
1 votes:

doglover: Bontesla: basemetal: doglover: basemetal: I've been away from the news, did they silence him?  Burn him out?

Full Waco, no body yet.

You know, I didn't even consider that they would go full Waco on him.

/hope the cabin was insured.

It's also been said (by a few in the media) that they could have just spent the afternoon negotiating and setting fire to an empty cabin.

I really thought cops had changed. It's been 20 years or so. But no, they ain't changed t'all.


When my cousin was murdered (we suspect by a dirty cop) - the lead detective brought his date to the crime scene.

I know a few good ones, too.

I just can't believe how terribly this entire thing has been handled.
m00
2013-02-12 09:32:23 PM
1 votes:

Canned Tamales: It's irrelevant either way. You do know that when the constitution was written, almost all of the weaponry was owned by private citizens, and taken home with them after the fighting, right? No matter what "well-regulated militia" means, almost the entire armory that helped win a war was privately owned and went home with the soldiers, with no trigger locks or gun safes or registration laws. Somehow, people managed having deadly war weapons in their homes for two centuries!


Well, biggest problem I see is this: constitution was written to operate as a unit. It's a piece of legal machinery. We've been violating most of it for at least a century. For example, we're not supposed to have standing armies. The Vice President is supposed to be the runner-up in the presidential election. Congress is supposed to be the one to declare war. The whole concept of precedent and judicial review was an invention after the constitution was written.

Here's the biggest one: Any power not explicitly granted to Federal Government by the Constitution should be reserved for the States.

I'm generally pro-2nd amendment, and I recognize the founders envisioned "well regulated militia" to mean specifically "everybody over the age of 18 and wants to own a gun." But that was a time of personal responsibility, where you didn't sue a University because they gave your snowflake a C. This was a world without a militarized police force; without an FBI, CIA, TSA, NSA, Homeland Security, and so forth. No SWAT teams. You could buy any drug over the counter, and it was your responsibility to use it responsibly. Unfortunately it was also a world with Slavery and lynch mobs and hangin' for stealing a horse, and completely corrupt local politics, and yellow journalism. The States also held the Federal Government hostage in a lot of different ways, and state legislators had as much, or more, power than Congressional Senators.

At this point, I think we just need another Constitutional Congress and a do-over. The amendments I hold dear - 1st, 4th, and 5th - were also not designed to live in a vacuum. It is only "necessary" that they are ignored/violated because Federal Government has created a situation that they need be. And it's the same with the 2nd.
2013-02-12 09:31:28 PM
1 votes:

Bonanza Jellybean: LAPD set the fire intentionally:

Link


I called the place going up in flames as soon as the news said he was believed to be in a cabin.

Unwritten SOP
2013-02-12 09:30:49 PM
1 votes:

Bontesla: basemetal: doglover: basemetal: I've been away from the news, did they silence him?  Burn him out?

Full Waco, no body yet.

You know, I didn't even consider that they would go full Waco on him.

/hope the cabin was insured.

It's also been said (by a few in the media) that they could have just spent the afternoon negotiating and setting fire to an empty cabin.


I really thought cops had changed. It's been 20 years or so. But no, they ain't changed t'all.
2013-02-12 09:29:58 PM
1 votes:
Rest In Piss, Dorner.
2013-02-12 09:27:16 PM
1 votes:

Bontesla: basemetal: doglover: basemetal: I've been away from the news, did they silence him?  Burn him out?

Full Waco, no body yet.

You know, I didn't even consider that they would go full Waco on him.

/hope the cabin was insured.

It's also been said (by a few in the media) that they could have just spent the afternoon negotiating and setting fire to an empty cabin.


That would be awesome.
2013-02-12 09:26:37 PM
1 votes:
How many innocents have the cops killed so far?
2013-02-12 09:24:58 PM
1 votes:

BraveNewCheneyWorld: udhq: Nope.  Sorry.  You're absolutely, objectively wrong.

Our legal interpretations in this country come from the judiciary, not the OED, and no court has ever suggested any meaning of "well regulated" other than what any literate person--who's not a self-serving, gun-nut--knows those words to mean.

It takes a special kind of willful ignorance to argue that the legal system is not founded upon standardization of definitions. I see you're going the "repeat a lie and it becomes truth" method. Well, have fun with that, I'm sure you'll convince someone that the meaning of "well regulated" during the time the 2nd amendment was written is irrelevant to how it should be interpreted today.


So why are you trying to use a definition that is specific to British English to interpret our laws, when American English was almost 200 years old and almost completely distinct by the time of the drafting of the constitution?
2013-02-12 09:18:16 PM
1 votes:

Bontesla: xelnia: Scanner: "Dispatcher: Anonymous caller states there are several escape routes out of the basement. Officer: A former resident told us the same and we have them covered."

Wtf kind of cabin did he squat in?


It's southern California. There could easily be valet parking at Pizza Hut.
2013-02-12 09:16:57 PM
1 votes:

super_grass: Christopher Dorner: Police demolish cabin, hear single gunshot
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2013/02/christopher-dorner-pol ic e-demolish-cabin-hear-single-gunshot.html

RIP IN PEACE, DARK KNIGHT


i1.kym-cdn.com

He was Tinseltown's reckoning.
2013-02-12 09:16:35 PM
1 votes:

udhq: BraveNewCheneyWorld: udhq: BraveNewCheneyWorld: Fubar: BraveNewCheneyWorld: Fubar: You nutcases always seem to forget the "well regulated" part

You should probably look up what "well regulated" meant when the 2nd amendment was written, because it has nothing to do with being regulated by the government, it's closer to being "well supplied in working order".  But who am I kidding, you already know that, but you just want to perpetuate a lie.

Nice...  You can spin anything to fit your preconceived views.  Like, say, requiring a better background check and gun registry wouldn't lower gun violence.

Good job, LaPierre would be proud.

Spin?  It's a fact.

The following are taken from the  Oxford English Dictionary, and bracket in time the writing of the 2nd amendment:

1709: "If a liberal Education has formed in us  well-regulated Appetites and worthy Inclinations."
1714: "The practice of all  well-regulated courts of justice in the world."
1812: "The equation of time ... is the adjustment of the difference of time as shown by a  well-regulated clock and a true sun dial."
1848: "A remissness for which I am sure every  well-regulated person will blame the Mayor."
1862: "It appeared to her  well-regulated mind, like a clandestine proceeding."
1894: "The newspaper, a never wanting adjunct to every  well-regulated American embryo city."
The phrase "well-regulated" was in common use long before 1789, and remained so for a century thereafter. It referred to the property of something being in proper working order. Something that was well-regulated was calibrated correctly, functioning as expected. Establishing government oversight of the people's arms was not only not the intent in using the phrase in the 2nd amendment, it was precisely to render the government powerless to do so that the founders wrote it.

Case law or GTFO.

"shiat, he proved me wrong"  GET DIFFERENT EVIDENCE FOR ME BRAVENEWCHENEYWORLD!!!

/you're pathetic

Nope.  Sorry.  You're absolutely, objectively wro ...


It's irrelevant either way.  You do know that when the constitution was written, almost all of the weaponry was owned by private citizens, and taken home with them after the fighting, right?  No matter what "well-regulated militia" means, almost the entire armory that helped win a war was privately owned and went home with the soldiers, with no trigger locks or gun safes or registration laws.  Somehow, people managed having deadly war weapons in their homes for two centuries!
2013-02-12 09:14:37 PM
1 votes:

xelnia: Scanner: "Dispatcher: Anonymous caller states there are several escape routes out of the basement. Officer: A former resident told us the same and we have them covered."



If they're still considering possible escape routes, then they haven't found shiat yet.
2013-02-12 09:14:01 PM
1 votes:
Christopher Dorner: Police demolish cabin, hear single gunshot
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2013/02/christopher-dorner-pol ic e-demolish-cabin-hear-single-gunshot.html

RIP IN PEACE, DARK KNIGHT
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-02-12 09:12:23 PM
1 votes:

b0rg9: d23: farkING NANCY GRACE

SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP.

YOU farkING LOUDMOUTHED biatch.

AAARGGGH!!

Why would you voluntarily subject yourself to that?


muted... but not after 5 seconds.

TOO LONG.
2013-02-12 09:11:20 PM
1 votes:

d23: farkING NANCY GRACE

SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP.

YOU farkING LOUDMOUTHED biatch.

AAARGGGH!!


Why would you voluntarily subject yourself to that?
2013-02-12 09:10:33 PM
1 votes:

BraveNewCheneyWorld: udhq: BraveNewCheneyWorld: Fubar: BraveNewCheneyWorld: Fubar: You nutcases always seem to forget the "well regulated" part

You should probably look up what "well regulated" meant when the 2nd amendment was written, because it has nothing to do with being regulated by the government, it's closer to being "well supplied in working order".  But who am I kidding, you already know that, but you just want to perpetuate a lie.

Nice...  You can spin anything to fit your preconceived views.  Like, say, requiring a better background check and gun registry wouldn't lower gun violence.

Good job, LaPierre would be proud.

Spin?  It's a fact.

The following are taken from the  Oxford English Dictionary, and bracket in time the writing of the 2nd amendment:

1709: "If a liberal Education has formed in us  well-regulated Appetites and worthy Inclinations."
1714: "The practice of all  well-regulated courts of justice in the world."
1812: "The equation of time ... is the adjustment of the difference of time as shown by a  well-regulated clock and a true sun dial."
1848: "A remissness for which I am sure every  well-regulated person will blame the Mayor."
1862: "It appeared to her  well-regulated mind, like a clandestine proceeding."
1894: "The newspaper, a never wanting adjunct to every  well-regulated American embryo city."
The phrase "well-regulated" was in common use long before 1789, and remained so for a century thereafter. It referred to the property of something being in proper working order. Something that was well-regulated was calibrated correctly, functioning as expected. Establishing government oversight of the people's arms was not only not the intent in using the phrase in the 2nd amendment, it was precisely to render the government powerless to do so that the founders wrote it.

Case law or GTFO.

"shiat, he proved me wrong"  GET DIFFERENT EVIDENCE FOR ME BRAVENEWCHENEYWORLD!!!

/you're pathetic


Nope.  Sorry.  You're absolutely, objectively wrong.

Our legal interpretations in this country come from the judiciary, not the OED, and no court has ever suggested any meaning of "well regulated" other than what any literate person--who's not a self-serving, gun-nut--knows those words to mean.
2013-02-12 09:09:25 PM
1 votes:
I want them to get this guy but I was kind of hoping he would jump out a window in full scuba gear and run into the woods.
2013-02-12 09:09:01 PM
1 votes:

Jimmysolson: A bad deal for all involved.

Sometimes bad things happen to good people.


That's what she said.
2013-02-12 09:05:18 PM
1 votes:

TheJoe03: Honestly, never really seen the point of watching the State of the Union (or any political speech), so when can I expect this to end? I haven't watched TV news since the election, so I had no idea a SOTU was even happening tonight, I'm only watching the news to see if this cop killer is an action hero or a disappointment.


SOTU always seems like nothing more than a political infomercial.  I don't know why people care to watch it.
2013-02-12 09:04:37 PM
1 votes:

udhq: BraveNewCheneyWorld: Fubar: BraveNewCheneyWorld: Fubar: You nutcases always seem to forget the "well regulated" part

You should probably look up what "well regulated" meant when the 2nd amendment was written, because it has nothing to do with being regulated by the government, it's closer to being "well supplied in working order".  But who am I kidding, you already know that, but you just want to perpetuate a lie.

Nice...  You can spin anything to fit your preconceived views.  Like, say, requiring a better background check and gun registry wouldn't lower gun violence.

Good job, LaPierre would be proud.

Spin?  It's a fact.

The following are taken from the  Oxford English Dictionary, and bracket in time the writing of the 2nd amendment:

1709: "If a liberal Education has formed in us  well-regulated Appetites and worthy Inclinations."
1714: "The practice of all  well-regulated courts of justice in the world."
1812: "The equation of time ... is the adjustment of the difference of time as shown by a  well-regulated clock and a true sun dial."
1848: "A remissness for which I am sure every  well-regulated person will blame the Mayor."
1862: "It appeared to her  well-regulated mind, like a clandestine proceeding."
1894: "The newspaper, a never wanting adjunct to every  well-regulated American embryo city."
The phrase "well-regulated" was in common use long before 1789, and remained so for a century thereafter. It referred to the property of something being in proper working order. Something that was well-regulated was calibrated correctly, functioning as expected. Establishing government oversight of the people's arms was not only not the intent in using the phrase in the 2nd amendment, it was precisely to render the government powerless to do so that the founders wrote it.

Case law or GTFO.


wtf?  you don't get it.
BNCW's post was brilliant.  Learn something new every day.
2013-02-12 08:59:53 PM
1 votes:
Schroedinger's Cabin is boring me.
2013-02-12 08:59:19 PM
1 votes:

Noticeably F.A.T.: BraveNewCheneyWorld: Those technologies don't fundamentally change anything. In what way would you propose we change the first amendment because of the existence of twitter?

It's not just Twitter, but how many innocent people are harmed (by being falsely targeted, by freaking the fark out for no reason) when the media pushes any sort of unverified info out the door immediately? How many people get farked with by /b/ because they have as much information as they could possibly want, right at their fingertips?


How many people freaked out during the war of the worlds radio broadcast?   What information can the internet give someone, that you haven't given the internet in some form or another.  People don't have a right to be free form the consequences of their stupidity.
2013-02-12 08:56:44 PM
1 votes:

drew46n2: pedrop357: fark you.

typical response when cornered. Great Britain is just teeming with despots, if only the people had guns! Japan is under such a terrible tyranny, if only the people had guns! Australia is becoming a police state, if only they didn't have gun control!

Listen, I like the walking dead, too. I've seen Red Dawn. I also posses the ability to separate fantasy from reality.

Fantasy: The U.S. is at risk of being taken over by a dictatorship.
Reality:A vocal minority is too in love with their penile-compensators to accept even the slightest regulation on private sales, background checks, or magazine capacity. And a hundred people today will die from a gun. And tomorrow. And the next day...but who cares? I got my man card derrrr herp!

[encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com image 194x260]


Oh snap, you used the "penis compensator" line. You're edgy.

Meanwhile in reality a magazine capacity limit will do nothing to actually reduce gun deaths, background checks are mandated but poorly enforced and funded, private gun sales contribute little to gun related crime, and disturbed people will continue to kill others. There are 300 million guns in the US. Do you think that limiting the size of a magazine will change the number of murders committed? Do you think that banning "assault weapons" will reduce the number of firearms that criminals will get their hands on?
2013-02-12 08:56:22 PM
1 votes:

tweek46420: vsavatar: So, final score: Homicidal maniac: 4, Cops: 1

unless he took himself out...then it 5 and 0 baby


No nooo, the cops killed at least one person too.   Mind you it was one of the asian ladies.
2013-02-12 08:55:42 PM
1 votes:
encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com

"Well, when you murder a crackhead, you can just disappear. When you murder cops, they will find you, unless they think you're already dead."
2013-02-12 08:55:42 PM
1 votes:

flamingboar: So the mayor is praying for the families of the LAPD, but none of the people who were shot mistakenly.


When did politicians start caring about citizens?
2013-02-12 08:55:06 PM
1 votes:

d23: coverage will interrupt nancy grace on HLN.  Well, damn, something good IS coming out of it after all.



HLN used to be this nice, no frills, middle-of-the-road, repeat the major stories of the day every 30 minutes, reliable network. I checked it out the other day, and this was my response:

img16.imageshack.us
2013-02-12 08:54:18 PM
1 votes:

super_grass: I can't decide whether to watch this or the SOTU.


They have already released every topic of the SOTU so unless you want to see a bunch of applause every third damn word watch this.

/Applies to all state of the union addresses regardless of who is in office just a big political jerk off session. "Look I have a plan let's hear it for me."
2013-02-12 08:52:10 PM
1 votes:

vsavatar: So, final score: Homicidal maniac: 4, Cops: 1


unless he took himself out...then it 5 and 0 baby
2013-02-12 08:51:24 PM
1 votes:

Fubar
Nice... You can spin anything to fit your preconceived views. Like, say, requiring a better background check and gun registry wouldn't lower gun violence.
Keep ignoring reality.

Dorner had to pass background checks, lie detectors, psyc evaluations, etc... How did that work out for you?
2013-02-12 08:50:26 PM
1 votes:
So the mayor is praying for the families of the LAPD, but none of the people who were shot mistakenly.
2013-02-12 08:50:14 PM
1 votes:

fat_free: [media.philly.com image 400x300]

MOVE!

csb

I was sitting in my car getting ready to drive home and watching this helicopter circle overhead. The company I worked for owned the entire block - 63rd & Walnut - the old Walnut Park Plaza Hotel & the newly constructed nursing home. Anyway - I'm getting ready to pull out and there's this big BOOM. Next thing I know, there's flames and a column of smoke rising from the next block and getting more and more intense as I'm pulling away. We worked in the renovated underground garage of the old hotel - my subordinate told me he felt the blast as if if were right next door.
2013-02-12 08:48:26 PM
1 votes:

HotIgneous Intruder: Wessoman: pedrop357: drew46n2: :A vocal minority is too in love with their penile-compensators to accept even the slightest regulation on private sales, background checks, or magazine capacity. And a hundred people today will die from a gun. And tomorrow. And the next day...but who cares? I got my man card derrrr herp!

Speaking of derp.  You gun control supporters really need therapy for this sexual issue you all seem to have.

Since 2/3 or more of those hundred are suicides, and nearly 2/3 of murders with firearms come from handguns,  many lives do you think will actually be saved by banning scary looking guns, limiting magazine capacity, or forcing a person to conduct a background check on a family member or neighbor before selling their gun?

So you're saying we should ban handguns, right?

More like everyone who has a handgun needs to undergo a background check as exhaustive as that required for a Secret security clearance and only then will they be issued a federal license to carry. No rights would be abridged by this requirement. If you're honest and sane, you'll have no problem with this requirement.


Would the city of New York be required to honor my permit, should I be issued one?
2013-02-12 08:46:54 PM
1 votes:

BraveNewCheneyWorld: Fubar: You nutcases always seem to forget the "well regulated" part

You should probably look up what "well regulated" meant when the 2nd amendment was written, because it has nothing to do with being regulated by the government, it's closer to being "well supplied in working order".  But who am I kidding, you already know that, but you just want to perpetuate a lie.


Nice...  You can spin anything to fit your preconceived views.  Like, say, requiring a better background check and gun registry wouldn't lower gun violence.

Good job, LaPierre would be proud.
2013-02-12 08:46:48 PM
1 votes:

nekom: AP reporting he never came out, and only a single shot was heard inside the house.  Sounds like he probably started a fire, then ate a bullet.


Yep, he totally started a fire right after law enforcement starting firing gas canisters into the building.
2013-02-12 08:45:07 PM
1 votes:
NBC 7 San Diego @nbcsandiego

Second deputy shot today during Big Bear standoff expected to survive
2013-02-12 08:43:58 PM
1 votes:

HotIgneous Intruder: You people are not very intelligent, are you?
http://youtu.be/OAK2dDQ-S4Q


Our point was that the bullet doesn't go flying around like in the movies, you call us idiots and then post a video that agrees with us? That's an interesting tactic, to say the least.
2013-02-12 08:43:39 PM
1 votes:

Mrs. Beasley: There is a question as to whether the two deputies shot were caught in "friendly fire." We'll never know, however.


I think if the Pat Tillman friendly fire incident was exposed, this would be too.
2013-02-12 08:42:41 PM
1 votes:
There is a question as to whether the two deputies shot were caught in "friendly fire." We'll never know, however.
2013-02-12 08:41:03 PM
1 votes:

al's hat: 100 Watt Walrus: All you farkwits making pope jokes in the last 30 minutes, you might consider skimming the farking thread in the future, so as not to make an ass of yourselves.

Skim 1700+ posts?


If the NSA can do it, so can you.  STFU and start coding.
2013-02-12 08:40:50 PM
1 votes:

BraveNewCheneyWorld: It's sad how so many people are so utterly brain dead as to think a permit being required to exercise a right that specifically says that it "shall not be infringed" is "constitutional".


I know, right! I'll bet you're all up in arms over copyright and libel laws as well! How dare they infringe on my first amendment rights!
2013-02-12 08:40:33 PM
1 votes:

FirstNationalBastard: Reportedly, to elect a new Pope.


Shhh, we're supposed to stop telling that joke. Apparently it's not funny anymore.
2013-02-12 08:39:10 PM
1 votes:

homelessdude: timujin: homelessdude: Jekylman: 46420: police spokesperson just said they can't say how the fire started....they lit the shiat....can they be charged with arson
I need a ruling. Will I go to hell if I say the police spokesperson is smoking hot?
Yes you will, but I am willing to fall on the sword.
She is smoking hot.
Pics or it didn't happen.

[s20.postimage.org image 700x400]


Dear Lord, you people are desperate.
2013-02-12 08:39:02 PM
1 votes:

Glancing Blow: Noticeably F.A.T.: Glancing Blow: Rifle or handgun ammo does not explode. Without the confinement of the gun/rifle barrel/breach the bullet just pops out.

They still make some noise.

Absolutely, my comment was that the bullets do not go flying all over the room.


You people are not very intelligent, are you?
http://youtu.be/OAK2dDQ-S4Q
m00
2013-02-12 08:37:28 PM
1 votes:

I Said: Tim Tebow: Dorner is not inside the cabin.

I repeat. Dorner is not inside the cabin.

Source?

shower_in_my_socks: How much you wanna bet that this goes full-Sandy-style with the media misinformation, and we find out later that the truck wasn't stolen, and nobody was in the house? Cable news cannot be trusted to get anything correct, unless it's with 20/20 hindsight.

It's going to be a lot crazier if the police action killed the hostages long after Dorner fled

2013-02-12 08:36:03 PM
1 votes:

DubyaHater: I assume most all of you didn't have a parent finish their career in a body bag.


Well, in the philosophical sense, we all finish our careers in a body bag.
2013-02-12 08:35:20 PM
1 votes:

Fubar
You nutcases always seem to forget the "well regulated" part

Well since we're getting all ad hominemy... You fascists always seem to forget about District of Columbia v. Heller, but not surprising. You book burners never big fans of the whole "reading" thing.
2013-02-12 08:35:00 PM
1 votes:
i49.tinypic.com

/Too soon?
2013-02-12 08:34:52 PM
1 votes:

Fubar: pedrop357: HotIgneous Intruder: More like everyone who has a handgun needs to undergo a background check as exhaustive as that required for a Secret security clearance and only then will they be issued a federal license to carry. No rights would be abridged by this requirement. If you're honest and sane, you'll have no problem with this requirement.

Uh yeah, that would be a violation.  You must not understand what "shall not be infringed means".  it certainly doesn't allow a person to be denied a right because they have bad credit.

I love anti-gun types pretending that everything they propose, no matter how invasive, laborious, etc. is not a violation of the 2nd amendment.  It makes me wonder what the limit really is in their opinion.  What can't the government do involving firearms?

You nutcases always seem to forget the "well regulated" part


you nut cases seem to think that "well regulated" was written as a restriction
looks like someone doesn't understand how the Constitution was written.
2013-02-12 08:33:15 PM
1 votes:
How much you wanna bet that this goes full-Sandy-style with the media misinformation, and we find out later that the truck wasn't stolen, and nobody was in the house? Cable news cannot be trusted to get anything correct, unless it's with 20/20 hindsight.
2013-02-12 08:32:56 PM
1 votes:

DubyaHater: derp


The LAPD has a long, well documented problem with corruption.
Turn off the computer and take a walk.
2013-02-12 08:31:15 PM
1 votes:

pedrop357: HotIgneous Intruder: More like everyone who has a handgun needs to undergo a background check as exhaustive as that required for a Secret security clearance and only then will they be issued a federal license to carry. No rights would be abridged by this requirement. If you're honest and sane, you'll have no problem with this requirement.

Uh yeah, that would be a violation.  You must not understand what "shall not be infringed means".  it certainly doesn't allow a person to be denied a right because they have bad credit.

I love anti-gun types pretending that everything they propose, no matter how invasive, laborious, etc. is not a violation of the 2nd amendment.  It makes me wonder what the limit really is in their opinion.  What can't the government do involving firearms?


This.

And that they ignore that no matter how illegal you make guns, criminals will always have them.
m00
2013-02-12 08:31:04 PM
1 votes:

homelessdude: m00: homelessdude: m00: So they think he escaped? Why would it be a long night in the woods in the cold  if they got him?

The news people don't know and the police aren't saying.

About all we can be certain of is that a
- 1 Cop killed
- 1 Cop in surgery; should be ok
- Cabin on fire
- Dorner not known if in the cabin or even at the scene.
- Cabin is on fire and almost burned out.

Other than that, its all speculation.

Brilliant! They set fire to a cabin and they didn't have confirmation who was inside?

I know.....amazing. They seemed to be pretty sure if it was anyone, it would have been Dorner. They spoke with the cabin owners who confirmed that it should have been empty. So there is that.


After reading up on this after coming late to the thread, it seems likely to me he's still alive. I could be wrong, but there has been a lot of unbelievable mistaken identity already. Actually, if Dorner were smart... he knows wherever cops think he is hundreds will show up... pretend to be hiding somewhere and have a big 'ol fertilizer bomb waiting.
2013-02-12 08:30:58 PM
1 votes:

Popcorn Johnny: Yes, Dorner would have the advantage if it gets dark because all of the FLIR devices suddenly broke or something.


Thick tree cover is a very effective screen for IR, fyi.  Add to that he'll likely be wearing thicker clothing in cooler weather, probably a hood or hat + gloves he may be very hard to spot with IR video.
2013-02-12 08:30:56 PM
1 votes:

A10Mechanic: Thanks Fox News for posting "RadioReference.com" on their screen. The site melted down in 2 minutes.  If their server caught on fire, I'd LOL


There may or may not have been an LL Cool J action figure hiding out in the server when it caught fire. No one is able to substantiate whether that is true or not at this time.
2013-02-12 08:29:54 PM
1 votes:
Pffft. This is obviously an Obama black flag operation to distract from him launching the FEMA death camps during his SOTU address. Sheeple!!!!

If you think I'm making this up, you don't read conspiracy nutter websites. I'm sure there are already 100 variations of this theory out there.
2013-02-12 08:28:49 PM
1 votes:

Somacandra: If people are serious about these scanner feeds claiming that the cops started the fire--you better farking be recording those feeds.


They clearly said 7 burners deployed, we have a fire
2013-02-12 08:26:51 PM
1 votes:

4tehsnowflakes: Scorpinock: Anyone know if SCUBA gear can be used in a fire?

+1! Why yes, oxygen tank would come in handy to prevent smoke inhalation.  So we know the cops think he is down and dead, but no body yet so fark jury is still out on whether his work in this mission gets him the apartment in the nice part of town.


A) It's compressed air, not oxygen
B) You would still burn to death from the heat.

If he left immediately after starting the fire he wouldn't need SCBA anyway. If he hid in a basment, the debris would collapse into it, killing him. Maybe it was his plan to hide out there, I don't know. Just starting to read his manifesto.

Anyone seen or heard from Gato_Negro since this started?
2013-02-12 08:26:48 PM
1 votes:

BoredInLA: From what I understand, the black smoke just means Dorner has chosen the new Pope.


Nope. Often, it takes several rounds of voting.  Black smoke means no winner yet.  White when we have a winner..
2013-02-12 08:25:58 PM
1 votes:

pedrop357: drew46n2: :A vocal minority is too in love with their penile-compensators to accept even the slightest regulation on private sales, background checks, or magazine capacity. And a hundred people today will die from a gun. And tomorrow. And the next day...but who cares? I got my man card derrrr herp!

Speaking of derp.  You gun control supporters really need therapy for this sexual issue you all seem to have.

Since 2/3 or more of those hundred are suicides, and nearly 2/3 of murders with firearms come from handguns,  many lives do you think will actually be saved by banning scary looking guns, limiting magazine capacity, or forcing a person to conduct a background check on a family member or neighbor before selling their gun?


I see where you're going with this: we need to ban handguns, too.
2013-02-12 08:24:36 PM
1 votes:
I heard tickets were overpriced

i141.photobucket.com
m00
2013-02-12 08:23:47 PM
1 votes:

homelessdude: m00: So they think he escaped? Why would it be a long night in the woods in the cold  if they got him?

The news people don't know and the police aren't saying.

About all we can be certain of is that a
- 1 Cop killed
- 1 Cop in surgery; should be ok
- Cabin on fire
- Dorner not known if in the cabin or even at the scene.
- Cabin is on fire and almost burned out.

Other than that, its all speculation.


Brilliant! They set fire to a cabin and they didn't have confirmation who was inside?
2013-02-12 08:23:26 PM
1 votes:
Scanner: "We've got good penetration with the fire"
2013-02-12 08:22:26 PM
1 votes:

drew46n2: pedrop357: How would background checks have stopped Sandy Hook, or the 60-69% of deaths involving firearms that are suicides?

you're right. obviously we should do nothing.


We already do something, it's just not what you want.  Considering the fact that the things we already do keep tools designed to kill in such check that they kill fewer people than vehicles do, I'd say we're doing a pretty good job.  So the question is, how low does the number have to go before you'll concede that we're doing enough?
2013-02-12 08:21:26 PM
1 votes:

drew46n2: pedrop357: How would background checks have stopped Sandy Hook, or the 60-69% of deaths involving firearms that are suicides?

you're right. obviously we should do nothing.


If your only solution is gun control, then yes.  If your only solution is gun control that would have no effect whatsoever, then ABSOLUTELY!
2013-02-12 08:21:19 PM
1 votes:

dumbandilikeit: FirstNationalBastard: oryx: Is that fire speading?

So, when the LAPD causes a wildfire that destroys thousands of acres, do they say sorry or just shoot some more random people and blame the nearest brown rabbit?

LAPD is no where near there. These are the San Bernadino PD


Like that's going to stop the LAPD from shooting random people.
2013-02-12 08:21:17 PM
1 votes:
I'm 90% convinced Dorner shot himself after he saw the fire started by the cops.
2013-02-12 08:20:29 PM
1 votes:
Cops cheer as they believe they managed to burn him alive.

/WTF is wrong with you guys?
//Since you couldn't kill him by shooting at everybody, you had to set fire to the cabin to make sure he never talks to anyone ever again.

///RIP the big black man who is in the woods somewhere........... Maybe..... Or he became Freddy Kruger and will haunt yours and your kids dreams forever.
2013-02-12 08:20:23 PM
1 votes:

FirstNationalBastard: oryx: Is that fire speading?

So, when the LAPD causes a wildfire that destroys thousands of acres, do they say sorry or just shoot some more random people and blame the nearest brown rabbit?


LAPD is no where near there. These are the San Bernadino PD
2013-02-12 08:20:03 PM
1 votes:
Scanner: "61 charlie, 61 Lincoln... the fire is going quite wel[cuts off]"
2013-02-12 08:18:35 PM
1 votes:

drew46n2: the voice of the pro-gun movement, right here. Give this man an assault rifle with a 50-round drum, post-haste!


So is Dorner a good voice for the anti-gun movement? I read his manifesto, he's on your side.
2013-02-12 08:17:21 PM
1 votes:

lousyskater: Heard on the scanner they're starting to move west.


Manifesto Destiny.
2013-02-12 08:17:17 PM
1 votes:

drew46n2: and if a hundred people die today so you have your "right" to purchase guns with no background check? So be it, right? Those kids in Sandy Hook were just necessary casualties in the ongoing war for you to be able to lay down massive amounts of fire at the gun range.


How would background checks have stopped Sandy Hook, or the 60-69% of deaths involving firearms that are suicides?
2013-02-12 08:16:11 PM
1 votes:
If Dorner escaped this, he a farking ninja.  The police surely would have had a double layered, 360 degree perimeter around the cabin.
2013-02-12 08:15:33 PM
1 votes:
HotIgneous Intruder

Another mentally ill person with a gun.
Yay. Merikuh.

Who passed multiple psyc. evaluations, lie detectors, background checks, and is(was?) a liberal etc...etc...etc..

but don't let facts get in the way of your derp.
2013-02-12 08:14:52 PM
1 votes:

Altitude5280: [img.photobucket.com image 799x404]

static.prtst.net

/hot linked
2013-02-12 08:14:24 PM
1 votes:

drew46n2: A vocal minority is too in love with their penile-compensators to accept even the slightest regulation on private sales,


DRINK!
2013-02-12 08:12:52 PM
1 votes:
drew46n2

cars are .. regulated by the government and
..not a right
2013-02-12 08:12:43 PM
1 votes:
There had better be only one set of dental records in there. And, if there are none or more than one, then, well... Dorner's killers might outshine his own spree in the light of public knowledge.
2013-02-12 08:11:46 PM
1 votes:
Oh great. We're having ribs for dinner.

www.smoquehousebbq.com
2013-02-12 08:11:43 PM
1 votes:

Smelly McUgly: PowerSlacker: Pic of the spokeswoman:

[pbs.twimg.com image 599x337]

/hot like the cabin

So...you guys are kidding about the "hot" thing, right?


Now hold on, maybe these guys are in their 50's or something.
2013-02-12 08:09:19 PM
1 votes:
Tear gas lobbed into the cabin and now it's on fire? What is the current location of Janet Reno????
2013-02-12 08:08:33 PM
1 votes:
There is no way they are going to let him live
2013-02-12 08:05:03 PM
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Wessoman: And I don't need anything more than my 20 round box mag.


That's nice.

Wessoman: And I do think that most of the people I meet at Texas ranges are in serious need of psychiatric treatment.


People probably think the same thing about you.
2013-02-12 08:04:53 PM
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Shirley Ujest: Anyone care to summarize the highlights for me?


Waco Boogaloo 2, and we have a new Pope.
2013-02-12 08:04:50 PM
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Anderson Cooper has the cabin owner.
2013-02-12 08:04:23 PM
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Matt. 26:52
"Put your sword back in its place," Jesus said to him, "for all who draw the sword will die by the sword."
2013-02-12 08:04:14 PM
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Shirley Ujest: I just got home from work and saw this thread bloating up fast.

Anyone care to summarize the highlights for me?


Black man burning.
2013-02-12 08:04:00 PM
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PowerSlacker: Pic of the spokeswoman:

[pbs.twimg.com image 599x337]

/hot like the cabin


So...you guys are kidding about the "hot" thing, right?
2013-02-12 08:02:52 PM
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Shirley Ujest: I just got home from work and saw this thread bloating up fast.

Anyone care to summarize the highlights for me?



He dead

2013-02-12 08:02:26 PM
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All you farkwits making pope jokes in the last 30 minutes, you might consider skimming the farking thread in the future, so as not to make an ass of yourselves.
2013-02-12 08:02:25 PM
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drew46n2: you don't. Now you've gone from saying that there are regulations on private sales, but then there really aren't, to it's the same as buying a car, which it isn't, to protecting from imaginary dictators, which is fantasy.

The reality is that it's too easy for anyone to purchase firearms in the U.S. All your NRA bullshiat, psuedoscience about gun control, false equivalencies, and strawmen do nothing to dispel this reality.


fark you.

Various countries have had all sorts of rights which were violated willy nilly because only side had guns.

There are regulations on private sales and tons on commercial sales.  You were claiming that gun sales were unregulated, which is false not matter what kind of sales you're talking about.
2013-02-12 08:01:56 PM
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Know your rights all 3 of them
I say
Number 1: You have the right not to be killed
Murder is a CRIME!
Unless it was done by a
Policeman or aristocrat
2013-02-12 08:01:19 PM
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We don't know how the fire started.
www.welovetheiraqiinformationminister.com
2013-02-12 08:01:19 PM
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Spokeswoman is hot because she's going through menapause.
2013-02-12 07:57:24 PM
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I'm just hoping that now that they got him the LAPD will stop randomly shooting people.
2013-02-12 07:57:06 PM
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I hate these police press conferences, they usually boil down to 3 types of questions:

1.  Can you state things you already stated?
2.  Can you give us information that you cannot possibly have?
3.  Can you comment on things you've already said you can't comment on?
2013-02-12 07:56:13 PM
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pag1107: Dano33: There's no way the police can deny starting the fire! No freakin way!

They don't need to, the media is saying he started the fire himself with smoke grenades.


Smoke Grenades are a well-know Incendiary. Ask Smokey, The Bear.
2013-02-12 07:56:06 PM
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Wessoman: Until the NRA actually shows some reason and accountability, NO you may not has your assault weapons


The fark does the NRA have to do with me? They don't, and never will, speak for me.
2013-02-12 07:55:10 PM
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Cindy, this press conference is pointless. Please shut up and turn out scanner feeds back on. - The internet.
2013-02-12 07:52:36 PM
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Just want to say again. I heard them call for the "Burner and then deploy it on the scanner.
2013-02-12 07:52:23 PM
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tweek46420: did the police set the fire?


It was Officer Trogdor.
2013-02-12 07:51:49 PM
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