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(KNBC 4 Los Angeles) NewsFlash Possible sighting of cop-killer Chris Dorner, shots fired in Big Bear and Highway 38 closed in area for manhunt (link goes to live coverage)   (nbclosangeles.com) divider line 3250
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2013-02-13 03:51:48 AM

LookForTheArrow: Owangotang: LookForTheArrow: assassination is never cool no matter how many criminals do it. Unless you think cops should act like criminals, you agree with me 100%. dipshiats.

You do not understand the meaning of that word if you are using it in reference to Dorner. A man standing on a sidewalk or on a stage is assassinated. A man hunkered down in a cabin with big caliber firepower, who has killed before and has no regrets about killing again, is subdued by use of deadly force.

you are wrong, dead wrong. he could have been out-waited, he could have been dealt with any number of ways other than  burning him alive without dueprocess. Nothing warrants that when it can be avoided. Did they avoid it, or run into it with glee? Murdering doesn't have a context, isn't some 'he-started-it' preposition. Not with overwhelming force and a secure cordon. Two wrongs never make a right. No matter how much Judge Dredd you've been force-fed.


Hey now, don't you go bringing Judge Dredd into your little meltdown.  I don't think comic book fans and hardcore fascists really have a lot of overlap in the venn diagram, so keep that frothy rage on target.

This is your final warning.  You have 20 seconds to comply.
 
2013-02-13 03:52:04 AM

quatchi: Alonjar: So the cops set the house on fire, and he shot himself rather than burn to death.

Seems most likely.

Out in a blaze o' glory some might say.

Not me.

No heroes here.


But you're mistaken.  A hero is the protagonist in a morality tale.  He doesn't have to be a good guy, just the main character.
 
2013-02-13 03:52:05 AM

Popcorn Johnny: ShawnDoc: 7 burners have deployed and we have a fire.

"Burner" is a slang term for a tear gas canister, faking hell people.


I don't know if LEO has a different use for it but we used burner as a radio call for a willie pete (white phosphorus)
 
2013-02-13 03:53:24 AM

LookForTheArrow: get it? there is literally nothing good about any of this. Dorner is no hero, but he's a reflection of something ugly people would rather move away from then deal with. The living must deal with what remains, and what remains is extra-legal killing-in-the-name-of.


www.clashmusic.com
 
2013-02-13 03:54:14 AM

ShawnDoc: They don't seem surprised when the fire starts.  You'd think they'd be surprised if it wasn't planned.
"7 burners have deployed and we have a fire."


Tear gas canisters are an incendiary device and can cause fires. Same goes for smoke grenades and other similar devices.
 
2013-02-13 03:55:47 AM
blog.jsambrose.com
 
2013-02-13 03:57:35 AM

LookForTheArrow: Owangotang: LookForTheArrow: assassination is never cool no matter how many criminals do it. Unless you think cops should act like criminals, you agree with me 100%. dipshiats.

You do not understand the meaning of that word if you are using it in reference to Dorner. A man standing on a sidewalk or on a stage is assassinated. A man hunkered down in a cabin with big caliber firepower, who has killed before and has no regrets about killing again, is subdued by use of deadly force.

you are wrong, dead wrong. he could have been out-waited, he could have been dealt with any number of ways other than  burning him alive without dueprocess. Nothing warrants that when it can be avoided. Did they avoid it, or run into it with glee? Murdering doesn't have a context, isn't some 'he-started-it' preposition. Not with overwhelming force and a secure cordon. Two wrongs never make a right. No matter how much Judge Dredd you've been force-fed.


Well said.  Now learn to delete the last sentence of every impassioned paragraph before submitting.  People often go one step too far and ruin it.
 
2013-02-13 03:57:36 AM
I would imagine a tear gas grenade rolling around on the floor evolving gas and spraying sparks would start a fire a whole lot easier than a concussion grenade that flashes and goes out in a couple milliseconds.

/I think I just read they've found Uncle Owen in the cabin.
 
2013-02-13 03:58:24 AM

Pribar: I don't know if LEO has a different use for it but we used burner as a radio call for a willie pete (white phosphorus)


SWAT does not carry WP.
 
2013-02-13 03:59:17 AM
If there is going to be civil war in this country, it just got a step closer.
 
2013-02-13 04:00:36 AM

Popcorn Johnny: Pribar: I don't know if LEO has a different use for it but we used burner as a radio call for a willie pete (white phosphorus)

SWAT does not carry WP.


God I hope not.  That stuff can be seriously nasty.
 
2013-02-13 04:01:18 AM

studebaker hoch: If there is going to be civil war in this country, it just got a step closer.


if the cops who shot those ladies don't end up in prison there better be vigilantee justice
 
2013-02-13 04:01:26 AM

Owangotang: ontariolightning: Owangotang: LookForTheArrow: assassination is never cool no matter how many criminals do it. Unless you think cops should act like criminals, you agree with me 100%. dipshiats.

You do not understand the meaning of that word if you are using it in reference to Dorner. A man standing on a sidewalk or on a stage is assassinated. A man hunkered down in a cabin with big caliber firepower, who has killed before and has no regrets about killing again, is subdued by use of deadly force.

I spose you forgot when LAPD shot that truck from behind? 40 bullet holes in it. Two women shot.

That was not what was being discussed but I did not forget anything. That was a clear abuse of power and the individuals responsible should be disciplined accordingly. Not sure how that relates to Dorner forcing a suicide by cop today.


I think that the incidents with the two different trucks,  and the Chief's willingness to taint any potential jury pool by referring to Dorner as "a murder" rather than "the suspect" during a press conference are pretty compelling indications that there was never any intention of taking him alive. Add in the possibility that they reopened Dorner's IA investigation in order to circumvent FOIA requests, and it doesn't require a tinfoil hat to think there's something hinky with the LAPD.

Let me be perfectly clear: Dorner's actions in bringing attention to how he was affected by the systemic problems in the LAPD were absolutely, categorically 100% reprehensible, but that doesn't completely invalidate his underlying point.

/come on [real name redacted], you know me
///you know I'm a logical person
 
2013-02-13 04:02:14 AM

BarkingUnicorn: LookForTheArrow: Owangotang: LookForTheArrow: assassination is never cool no matter how many criminals do it. Unless you think cops should act like criminals, you agree with me 100%. dipshiats.

You do not understand the meaning of that word if you are using it in reference to Dorner. A man standing on a sidewalk or on a stage is assassinated. A man hunkered down in a cabin with big caliber firepower, who has killed before and has no regrets about killing again, is subdued by use of deadly force.

you are wrong, dead wrong. he could have been out-waited, he could have been dealt with any number of ways other than  burning him alive without dueprocess. Nothing warrants that when it can be avoided. Did they avoid it, or run into it with glee? Murdering doesn't have a context, isn't some 'he-started-it' preposition. Not with overwhelming force and a secure cordon. Two wrongs never make a right. No matter how much Judge Dredd you've been force-fed.

Well said.  Now learn to delete the last sentence of every impassioned paragraph before submitting.  People often go one step too far and ruin it.


If referencing Judge Dredd is wrong, I hope most people do not want to be right.
 
2013-02-13 04:03:32 AM
So a guy named Dorner was barbequeued in a cabin in the California mountains.

4.bp.blogspot.com

You might say, Justice was served.
 
2013-02-13 04:03:49 AM

studebaker hoch: If there is going to be civil war in this country, it just got a step closer.


there are the people who have nothing to lose and the people who have everything to lose.

this was a perfect example of a meeting of both if you want to go down the civil war road.

for every 1 or 2 patriots willing to take arm against their government you have THAT many people who are willing to defend it. not taking a side really but the civil war would play out like this all over the country. about a week and its over. then the police get bored and move onto the next cabin
 
2013-02-13 04:04:29 AM

BarkingUnicorn: LookForTheArrow: Owangotang: LookForTheArrow: assassination is never cool no matter how many criminals do it. Unless you think cops should act like criminals, you agree with me 100%. dipshiats.

You do not understand the meaning of that word if you are using it in reference to Dorner. A man standing on a sidewalk or on a stage is assassinated. A man hunkered down in a cabin with big caliber firepower, who has killed before and has no regrets about killing again, is subdued by use of deadly force.

you are wrong, dead wrong. he could have been out-waited, he could have been dealt with any number of ways other than  burning him alive without dueprocess. Nothing warrants that when it can be avoided. Did they avoid it, or run into it with glee? Murdering doesn't have a context, isn't some 'he-started-it' preposition. Not with overwhelming force and a secure cordon. Two wrongs never make a right. No matter how much Judge Dredd you've been force-fed.

Well said.  Now learn to delete the last sentence of every impassioned paragraph before submitting.  People often go one step too far and ruin it.


it's possible. when i read the media coverage, then read their censoring their transcripts, i realize that someone has to speak get the essential points lined up. Even if it's just on fark, you'd be surprised how expressing opinions lets others do the same who might have be intimidated otherwise.

/i can be reasoned with :)
 
2013-02-13 04:04:42 AM

Popcorn Johnny: Pribar: I don't know if LEO has a different use for it but we used burner as a radio call for a willie pete (white phosphorus)

SWAT does not carry WP.


Implying they didnt pull out all the stops on this one.

Was definitely fully automatic fire I heard blasting away at that cabin non stop earlier too.
 
2013-02-13 04:08:03 AM

ShawnDoc: BarkingUnicorn: As I understand it, "burner" is a term for an incendiary tear gas canister. Seems there's another type that doesn't burn. The fireworks would certainly help move people out the area, but it doesn't seem prudent to use burners in an 85 year-old wooden cabin. Perhaps that's all they had, though.

Could be.  I know in Thailand they've had problems with people getting seriously injured, and maybe even deaths (its been a few years) when tear gas canisters were fired into crowds and exploded. They however were made by China and were past their expiration date.


Huh.  I thought Thai cops used tear gas at a faster rate than that. :-)
 
2013-02-13 04:09:52 AM

studebaker hoch: If there is going to be civil war in this country, it just got a step closer.


I see what you did there.jpg
 
2013-02-13 04:10:35 AM
www.greatnorthernprepper.com
 
2013-02-13 04:14:20 AM

Alonjar: Popcorn Johnny: Pribar: I don't know if LEO has a different use for it but we used burner as a radio call for a willie pete (white phosphorus)

SWAT does not carry WP.

Implying they didnt pull out all the stops on this one.

Was definitely fully automatic fire I heard blasting away at that cabin non stop earlier too.


After seeing a YouTube demo of "bump-firing" a semi-auto rifle, I don't think I could tell the difference by sound alone.
 
2013-02-13 04:17:22 AM

Bonanza Jellybean: CBS put up video of the shootout:

Link

intense shiat



It's one guy in a cabin with two hands that can hold one rilfe vs more than 20, 30, 40+ guys with rifles.

It's a caged hunt like they offer at some hunting ranches.
 
2013-02-13 04:19:50 AM

deffuse: Bonanza Jellybean: CBS put up video of the shootout:

Link

intense shiat

Holy SHIAT thats a lot of big calibre rounds being shot.



Odds are it is mostly .223 caliber which is not a big caliber in anyones sense of the phrase, aside from people who don't know any better and the Brady Center.
 
2013-02-13 04:24:53 AM
Lenny_da_Hog:... Munchausen's Oppression...

I am totally stealing this.
 
2013-02-13 04:26:31 AM

Giltric: deffuse: Bonanza Jellybean: CBS put up video of the shootout:

Link

intense shiat

Holy SHIAT thats a lot of big calibre rounds being shot.


Odds are it is mostly .223 caliber which is not a big caliber in anyones sense of the phrase, aside from people who don't know any better and the Brady Center.


Welp, you're right.  I don't know any better as I'm not gun person, so I guess I swapped calibre for grains (or something along those lines... whatever.)  Either way, lots of big bangs.
 
2013-02-13 04:32:22 AM
What I wanna know is:  How come so many cops are using military-style weapons against a single shooter with a semi-auto?

The militarization of the police should be something EVERYONE is concerned about...not just the dumbshiat in the cabin.
 
2013-02-13 04:40:19 AM
Damn that was a lot of rounds expended for one guy. I can understand how the officers were more than a bit jumpy and personally interested in the guy shuffling off the mortal coil, but holly shiat. I mean, at that level of force, incendiary devices seem a more appropriate move anyway. Obviously they weren't taking prisoners, so why even send in cops to be shot at?
 
2013-02-13 04:42:58 AM

apoptotic: Owangotang: ontariolightning: Owangotang: LookForTheArrow: assassination is never cool no matter how many criminals do it. Unless you think cops should act like criminals, you agree with me 100%. dipshiats.

You do not understand the meaning of that word if you are using it in reference to Dorner. A man standing on a sidewalk or on a stage is assassinated. A man hunkered down in a cabin with big caliber firepower, who has killed before and has no regrets about killing again, is subdued by use of deadly force.

I spose you forgot when LAPD shot that truck from behind? 40 bullet holes in it. Two women shot.

That was not what was being discussed but I did not forget anything. That was a clear abuse of power and the individuals responsible should be disciplined accordingly. Not sure how that relates to Dorner forcing a suicide by cop today.

I think that the incidents with the two different trucks,  and the Chief's willingness to taint any potential jury pool by referring to Dorner as "a murder" rather than "the suspect" during a press conference are pretty compelling indications that there was never any intention of taking him alive. Add in the possibility that they reopened Dorner's IA investigation in order to circumvent FOIA requests, and it doesn't require a tinfoil hat to think there's something hinky with the LAPD.

Let me be perfectly clear: Dorner's actions in bringing attention to how he was affected by the systemic problems in the LAPD were absolutely, categorically 100% reprehensible, but that doesn't completely invalidate his underlying point.

/come on [real name redacted], you know me
///you know I'm a logical person


Yes you are, and a missed person as well.

The problem with Dorner, for those who actually care to think about the entirety situation, is that he is wholly unreliable. He wanted to expose corruption in the LAPD...the same LAPD he wanted so badly to remain a part of, despite witnessing such corruption? He complained about unfair treatment he received in his life...so, in retaliation, he killed an innocent man and woman, just because they connected to someone who he perceived to have wronged him?

No, there is nothing at all to be taken away from Dorner's intentions. He is a simple narcissist who decided to blame all of his own problems on LAPD. "I never had the opportunity to have a family of my own. I'm terminating yours." He's just another failure who blamed his life's lacking on someone else.
 
2013-02-13 04:45:59 AM

The more you eat the more you fart: What I wanna know is:  How come so many cops are using military-style weapons against a single shooter with a semi-auto?

The militarization of the police should be something EVERYONE is concerned about...not just the dumbshiat in the cabin.


Yeah, that video posted upthread certainly seemed to be on the excessive side of things.  I'm no expert in cop standoffs, but you can youtube dozens of actual military skirmishes in Iraq and Afghanistan that have less sustained, random gunfire.  Then again, the military probably does a slightly better job of teaching you not to act like a roided out psychopath when under fire.

At one point in the video the cop behind the tree starts looking around at all the assholes firing nonstop and then back at the cabin and then back at the other cops again like "what the fark are you morons wasting thousands of dollars in ammunition on?"  It was kind of surreal.  I don't think you need a minute and a half of sustained fully automatic gunfire to subdue one guy.  I don't care if he's wearing an Iron Man suit.  Have some god damn trigger control if you're going to wield a firearm, especially if you call yourself a professional.
 
2013-02-13 04:57:02 AM
If only this guy got arrested and put in prison, then we'd have the sequel where he goes into the Middle East in an attempt to rescue POWs.
 
2013-02-13 04:57:31 AM

ontariolightning: gregscott: So here's the situation as I understand it:
So they "accidentally a fire" with tear gas grenades. Because nobody wants to risk death trying to capture a sworn cop killer.
Then Dorner decides to shoot himself rather than surrender or burn to death.

Please explain why this is murder. Presumably, Dorner killed himself, exactly as planned.

is shooting  40 bullets from behind, at a moving vehicle, not attempted murder?
Will those police officers get charged for attempted murder? If not why the fark not?
If it were anyone else they'd farking be in cuffs by farking now


That was an entirely different (and completely unjustifiable) action. If somebody is holed up in a cabin, shooting at cops, and refusing to surrender, he's on a clear path to suicide by cop. Going on a Sunday drive, on the other hand, is not generally viewed as a terrorism attack.
 
2013-02-13 05:09:48 AM

Owangotang: The problem with Dorner, for those who actually care to think about the entirety situation, is that he is wholly unreliable. He wanted to expose corruption in the LAPD...the same LAPD he wanted so badly to remain a part of, despite witnessing such corruption? He complained about unfair treatment he received in his life...so, in retaliation, he killed an innocent man and woman, just because they connected to someone who he perceived to have wronged him?

No, there is nothing at all to be taken away from Dorner's intentions. He is a simple narcissist who decided to blame all of his own problems on LAPD. "I never had the opportunity to have a family of my own. I'm terminating yours." He's just another failure who blamed his life's lacking on someone else.


None of which excuses the subsequent actions/attitude of law enforcement. Outside of immediate actual self defense (ie if he'd been killed in an exchange of gunfire) the police shouldn't be able to just decide to bypass due process because they're really mad and scared. Like I said earlier, they should be held to a higher standard. This is one of the rare Fark sightings of a situation in which both sides really are bad.

/I'm about to send you an email, so keep an eye out
//no, it's not BIE :-P
 
2013-02-13 05:12:43 AM

gregscott: That was an entirely different (and completely unjustifiable) action. If somebody is holed up in a cabin, shooting at cops, and refusing to surrender, he's on a clear path to suicide by cop. Going on a Sunday drive, on the other hand, is not generally viewed as a terrorism attack.


I dont think it's safe to assume that.  Even if true, there is no obligation for LAPD to indulge him.  The path of least resistance would be to wait him out.  Especially if he is wasting ammo to no avail.
 
2013-02-13 05:41:41 AM

BarkingUnicorn: Now That's What I Call a Taco!: Is it possible the tear gas started the cabin fire?

Yes.  Some say the cops were counting on it.


Thanks. I obviously haven't been following this story very closely. Seems like we'll never know for sure if that was their intent or not.
 
2013-02-13 05:58:24 AM
Charred remains found at the cabin

latimesblogs.latimes.com

This is either a press release, someone hired a stripper, or they're having a communal ceremony of some kind.

/ Possibly involving a stripper.
 
2013-02-13 06:07:12 AM
The LAPD just honored Dorner with a viking funeral.

/Or the LAPD just invented their own unique funeral service, just like a tibetian burial or floating a river down the ganges.
 
2013-02-13 06:09:02 AM

studebaker hoch: Charred remains found at the cabin



This is either a press release, someone hired a stripper, or they're having a communal ceremony of some kind.

/ Possibly involving a stripper.


Wow they are already getting screwy with the details. No mention of them starting the fire after putting a hole in the first wall, or that them hearing a shot was well after they were waiting for him to run out the back after the other 3 walls were burning...on a side note, who's blood spatter was it they saw after the first hole?
 
2013-02-13 06:13:44 AM
turp119
Wow they are already getting screwy with the details. No mention of them starting the fire after putting a hole in the first wall, or that them hearing a shot was well after they were waiting for him to run out the back after the other 3 walls were burning...on a side note, who's blood spatter was it they saw after the first hole?


You really expect the lapd to be honest with details.  They made sure that the media did not film the unpowered, unheated cabin, even with questionable cell coverage, because he might be watching the moves on tv.

They wanted the media not to know what exactly happened so they could create their own version.

/Suprised encrypted radios were not used.
 
2013-02-13 06:40:44 AM

turp119: studebaker hoch: Charred remains found at the cabin



This is either a press release, someone hired a stripper, or they're having a communal ceremony of some kind.

/ Possibly involving a stripper.

Wow they are already getting screwy with the details. No mention of them starting the fire after putting a hole in the first wall, or that them hearing a shot was well after they were waiting for him to run out the back after the other 3 walls were burning...on a side note, who's blood spatter was it they saw after the first hole?


Ffs. The entire cabin was Shrodinger's cabin as of 3am eastern (thanks to a farker upthread for the term).

So - it's been officially confirmed (like earlier) that a body was recovered?
 
2013-02-13 06:42:53 AM

Bontesla: turp119: studebaker hoch: Charred remains found at the cabin



This is either a press release, someone hired a stripper, or they're having a communal ceremony of some kind.

/ Possibly involving a stripper.

Wow they are already getting screwy with the details. No mention of them starting the fire after putting a hole in the first wall, or that them hearing a shot was well after they were waiting for him to run out the back after the other 3 walls were burning...on a side note, who's blood spatter was it they saw after the first hole?

Ffs. The entire cabin was Shrodinger's cabin as of 3am eastern (thanks to a farker upthread for the term).

So - it's been officially confirmed (like earlier) that a body was recovered?


schrodinger's
FIFM
 
2013-02-13 06:43:27 AM
push3r:
Hopefully it's resolved without further loss of life, but I'm not holding my breath.

If you wish to avoid further loss of life, then not holding your breath would be a good start.
 
2013-02-13 06:55:37 AM

Bontesla: turp119: studebaker hoch: Charred remains found at the cabin

This is either a press release, someone hired a stripper, or they're having a communal ceremony of some kind.

/ Possibly involving a stripper.

Wow they are already getting screwy with the details. No mention of them starting the fire after putting a hole in the first wall, or that them hearing a shot was well after they were waiting for him to run out the back after the other 3 walls were burning...on a side note, who's blood spatter was it they saw after the first hole?

Ffs. The entire cabin was Shrodinger's Schroedinger'scabin as of 3am eastern (thanks to a farker upthread for the term).

So - it's been officially confirmed (like earlier) that a body was recovered?


FTFY

/REAL Pet Peave, I named my Cat after him
 
2013-02-13 07:23:30 AM
And America loses another great hero.

RIP, Dorner.  Hopefully it wasn't all for nothing.
 
2013-02-13 07:33:52 AM
Xenomech  And America loses another great hero.
RIP, Dorner.  Hopefully it wasn't all for nothing.


Agreed he did this to make a point and an impact.

The only question is: all this drama because being snubbed as he had integrity and refused to be a bully?

Don't see the point.

/Decision was he lied as a trainee when he said the trainer kicked a mentally challenged person in the head.  Maybe there was more to it.
 
2013-02-13 08:31:07 AM

fredklein: 'Todd', a former cop says "Thank goodness we don't have to go through a trial" on CBS.

Dick.


WAT??
 
2013-02-13 08:51:46 AM

ExperianScaresCthulhu: fredklein: 'Todd', a former cop says "Thank goodness we don't have to go through a trial" on CBS.

Dick.

WAT??


THIS.  Can we get a link?
 
2013-02-13 09:04:15 AM
So in California they can pull a black man over for little reason until they are actually looking for one.
 
2013-02-13 09:16:36 AM
socoloco

So in California they can pull a black man over for little reason until they are actually looking for one.

hiphopandpolitics.files.wordpress.com

It's never happened.

/why the cop hate?
 
2013-02-13 10:01:55 AM

Snarfangel: Bruxellensis: Somacandra: Anglachel: so they can kill him off camera

Um, ok. I don't have strong feelings one way or the other about this.

And no, tv anchor lady--this is nothing like after 9/11. Please STFU.

Please tell me nobody said that.

It's like 9/11 times a hundredth.


...and nobody knows what that is!
 
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