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(Truthout)   Tip your server, because this is what it's like to be one   (truth-out.org ) divider line
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2013-02-12 02:48:53 PM  
13 votes:
it would suck to be a port-o-potty cleaner as well...jeez.

Servers, get over yourself all ready; if you don't like your job, get a different one.
2013-02-12 02:44:49 PM  
9 votes:
I tip, and I tip well.

But goddamnit I don't need a reminder about how much your job sucks.
2013-02-12 02:44:29 PM  
9 votes:
25.media.tumblr.com
2013-02-12 02:50:09 PM  
7 votes:
Only a white person would refer to $9/hour as "slave wages".  Slaves were generally paid a lot less, like, zero.

And it's not so simple that servers t make $2.65 an hour - if their tips don't bring their gross up to minimum wage,they are paid minimum wage. Which isn't much, but when the Democrats had control of Congress with a filibuster-proof Senate, and the Presidency, from July 2010 to January 2012, they didn't bother fixing this. Or anything.

/wanker
2013-02-12 02:58:41 PM  
6 votes:
As a former food service slave from WAY back, I always make sure I tip well. If the service is great, I tip even better. shiatty waitstaff still get a decent tip from me, just because I know what it's like on that side of the serving tray.

CSB
One night, after a particularly bad experience with a trainee waiter, I tipped him roughly 25%. On the way to the car, my girlfriend said, "Why did you tip him that much? He was AWFUL!" I just replied, "Look, I've done his job before. It's miserable when you know what you're doing. It's his FIRST day on the job, so he's going to make mistakes. In the grand scheme of things, what is the right thing to do: give someone a little extra encouragement, or walk out of there with the measly $10-15.00 tip still in your pocket? That money means more to him right now that it did to me."
/CSB
2013-02-12 02:51:31 PM  
6 votes:
What, no mandatory gratuity on a table of 8?

This story smells of BS... or the server got the 18% and complained about not getting more.
2013-02-12 02:49:24 PM  
6 votes:

You pause, you pause, you breathe, you stow the panic about the rent and the bills that is in your throat like acid, you breathe, and then you


...try to figure out where the hell you went wrong in your life to end up in such an untenable position so you can fix whatever the hell it is so you can have a real job where you don't need to worry about making rent.


PS Hero tag? Really?
2013-02-12 02:44:36 PM  
6 votes:
Yay, another tipping thread! Honestly, aren't we getting tired of this yet?
2013-02-12 03:09:10 PM  
5 votes:
It's your first time to this particular restaurant.  You look around, the place is packed.  Heck, it seems as if it has been packed all day.  But you're hungry, your wife doesn't want to drive around and you heard this place has good food so you walk up to where the hostess is supposed to be to put your name in.  But she's not there.  So you stand around and wait until she finally comes back.  After glancing at her list of names, she tells you 15-20 minutes.  Really she knows it will be more like 45 minutes but she doesn't want customers to leave so she fudges the numbers.

You look around, there's just a single bench for seating in the waiting area and it's occupied.  Some people are packed in like sardines in the inside waiting area but most people are waiting outside in the cold, so you follow suit.  After 30 minutes you ask the hostess how much longer.  She says any minute now.  Another 15 minutes go by waiting, standing outside in the cold.  Your feet hurt and you're cold but your name gets called so you go get seated.

You sit at your table with your wife and wait.  It takes your waitress 15 minutes before she bothers to come by and introduce herself.  Your waitress has 42 other people to take care of, a full load.  You're just 5% of her work load and boy does she ever treat you like it.  She says "Hi, my name is, and I'll be your server, can I get you some drinks?"   Well you order your drinks but it's another 10 minutes before she bothers to bring them out.  When you do get your drinks, they should have come with a warning - drink slowly.  There's no chance she'll notice your drink is empty and when you ask for a refill, that's another 10 minute wait.  Somewhere around 20 minutes after you sat down the waitress asks if you're ready to order.  Yeah, we were ready 15 minutes ago, where were you?  When the food comes, it's terrible.  Turns out the cook is new and keeps screwing up orders.  The waitress knows it.  You asked specifically for no nuts because you're allergic to nuts.  This waitress is a veteran, she has a mind like a sponge, there's no way she forgot.  She looked right at your food when she picked it up, saw the nuts but crossed her fingers and hoped you wouldn't notice or care.  When you point out the nuts to her, she acts astonished and brings it back to have the cook just scrape them off and send it back out.

At the end of your meal the waitress brings your bill.  It's going to be $30 for the pleasure of waiting out in the cold for 45 minutes, sitting down to be neglected by a waitress for an hour and eat terrible food from a cook who has no idea what he's doing.

But you better farking leave a big tip you asshole.
2013-02-12 03:06:37 PM  
5 votes:
Also, what's the deal with tip jars at Chipotles and other places where they don't actually "serve" you? Seriously? You stood behind the cash register, took my order, called my number and gave me a big plastic cup to take over to the soda fountain. I should tip you for that?
2013-02-12 03:03:40 PM  
5 votes:
I am a maintenance manager at a public pool.

My back is throbbing from moving around 550 lb. barrels of hydrochloric acid. Then I get the call that some crumcruncher has pooped in the pool, so me and the lifeguards have to skim it out.

Then, it is discovered that someone else has vomited on the pool deck.

It goes on and on like that every day.

WE DON"T GET TIPPED.

The lifeguard that saves a different child every day from drowning doesn't get tipped. Even when they have to administer oxygen to some dumbass that decided to go swimming without his inhaler.

We know that being a waiter sucks and we know it sucks to get shiatty tips, but, you know what, a lot of us have very hard jobs too.
2013-02-12 02:59:13 PM  
5 votes:
No one thinks about the dishwasher, he there before the servers show up and he's there when they leave, he makes no tips, but he still has to pay rent, gets truly minimum wage with nothing extra except a sandwich at the end of the night.

where is his essay?
2013-02-12 02:57:14 PM  
5 votes:
Sweetheart, I'm sorry that all those tips from lonely old men you made when you were 18 dried up now that you're 24 and the other waitress is 18, and you thought you could wear a tight shirt and make rent by the first Saturday of the month. I really am. But have you thought about GETTING A JOB DOING LITERALLY ANYTHING ELSE?
2013-02-12 02:56:09 PM  
5 votes:
First, doesn't matter a table of 8 didn't leave a tip.  Gratuity is almost always enforced on tables of 6 or 8.  Second, most restaurants have "bussers" that clear the tables, not waiters...
2013-02-12 02:52:19 PM  
5 votes:

fireclown: Before this goes all crazy, has anyone experimented with a restaurant where servers are just paid a decent wage to start with so that tipping wasn't necessary?


Go ask Japan, Australia, Sweden, and all of those other socialist cesspools.
2013-02-12 03:29:42 PM  
4 votes:
If you hate tipping, learn how to cook, even just the basics.

In no time at all you'll be able to prepare better meals than 90% of the Sysco boiled-bag slop that you used to eat.
2013-02-12 03:21:06 PM  
4 votes:

MmmCrime: kidgenius: MmmCrime: Look at the hourly pay rate on a pay stub for most servers. You'll then understand why you're wrong.

Their rate, including tips, must be >=$7.25 an hour.  This is federal law.  Some states are higher.

That is the rate at which they are taxed at if they're assumed to have made more than $30 in a month. Which means you can work the entire month, make $50 on top of the $424 you would bring in in wages, and then you're taxed as if you're making $7.25 an hr, or $1160 a month

kidgenius may be your name, but call someone you know who is a server and have them explain it to you.


No, sorry, but that's not the way it works.

You are required to make that as a minimum. Then, you are taxed at whatever you make. So if you make that minimum, you get taxed at it. If you make more, you get taxed at that rate.

What the really happens is this:

Employee takes tips as cash and doesn't report to boss & IRS, etc.
Employer marks "7.25/hr"

Employee is actually making more than that, but doesn't want to pay the tax man.

IF the employee is really making less than 7.25/hr, then they should track it. Report their real tips to their boss. Then, their boss will be required by law to kick them up to the minimum.
2013-02-12 03:02:19 PM  
4 votes:
FTFA: It's your fourth shift in a row at the restaurant, all doubles because you only make $2.65 an hour...

Stopped reading here, because that is just straight up not true.
2013-02-12 02:53:53 PM  
4 votes:
"And I thought I had it bad."
2.bp.blogspot.com
2013-02-12 02:53:43 PM  
4 votes:
Paying anyone less than minimum wage needs to be outlawed.
2013-02-12 02:53:24 PM  
4 votes:

fireclown: Before this goes all crazy, has anyone experimented with a restaurant where servers are just paid a decent wage to start with so that tipping wasn't necessary?


Yes, most everywhere I've been to in Europe. And the service is just fine. In the UK the service wasn't great but it was still adequate. Tipping is nothing more than legalized tax evasion for the food carriers, and its a slimy way to transfer risk from himself to his employees for restaurant owners.
2013-02-12 02:48:51 PM  
4 votes:
This story is an obvious fake.

A boozehound orders no olives. Those things take up space.
2013-02-12 03:33:34 PM  
3 votes:

feickus: Ok guys got a quetion about tipping.  At Chinese buffets do you leave a tip?  I tend to leave one but not as much as I would if I was going to TGIFridays or some place like that.


I *think* the standard is that if you are serving yourself at a buffet, but the waiter is refilling your drink/water/cleaning your old plates off, then you leave 10% for good service whereas 20% for good service at a *real* restaurant.

What I find baffling (having worked in the food service industry when I was younger) is that the waiter/waitress gets a tip at all. People will come back to a restaurant if the service is mediocre, but the food is excellent. They will not return if the food sucks... yet the cooks typically get *no* tip out.

It would make more sense to me if the roles were reversed. A set wage for waiters/waitresses and tip wages for cook staff.

But the waiters/waitresses here will get get sand in their vaginas after reading this I'm sure.
2013-02-12 03:20:50 PM  
3 votes:

fireclown: Before this goes all crazy, has anyone experimented with a restaurant where servers are just paid a decent wage to start with so that tipping wasn't necessary?


There are lots of countries where tipping is not expected and suprisingly, the service is just as good (better in Japan) as most place in North America. That being said, I don't mind tipping but the problem is that some servers expect a 20% tip for doing the bare minimum which I think sours people on the whole issue.
2013-02-12 03:17:18 PM  
3 votes:
It offends me the number of servers I know who make more money than the teachers I know.  And yet few people complain about their jobs more than servers.

That is all.
2013-02-12 03:11:19 PM  
3 votes:

MmmCrime: Look at the hourly pay rate on a pay stub for most servers. You'll then understand why you're wrong.


Their rate, including tips, must be >=$7.25 an hour.  This is federal law.  Some states are higher.
2013-02-12 03:04:08 PM  
3 votes:
FTA

$2.65 an hour and need to pay for rent and heat and electricity, and your section is a set of booths and tables - six four-tops, four two-tops, one eight-top - that seat forty-four customers total

At 1$ per table, that's 13.65 an hour if it's a decently fast place.

At 2$ per table, that's 25.65 per the allotted time(likely under two hours)

Now, I know it sucks when people don't tip.  But asking for a 15-20% tip is a bit ludicrous.

I typically go and tip 5$, 10$, or 20$, (regardless of any other tippers in my party if it's drinks and dinner, we take up more time...).
If it's really busy and we get good service and my group is above 4 or so, it's 20$.
If it's slow(ie easy work) and we're a small group, it's $10
If it's just me and another person, it's 5-10.

Sometimes I'm short on cash or on a budget, or the service was legitimately shiatty, so the tip is much smaller but I always try to leave a buck or two unless the server was an absolute biatch.
If everyone tipped like me, that could be anywhere from 20-200$ an hour.  I acknowledge that they don't, but when I go out to a busy place like that, there's almost always cash on the other tables when people leave.

Expecting people to pay, or asking them to, to make up for what others couldn't(or refused to), is asking for charity, imo.
Not cool.

Working in a place that shares out tips?  Get a job somewhere else, ASAP.  That's a shiatty boss with a shiatty policy.
If you can't get another job, I really am sorry, but it's not my place to be a charity fund.
2013-02-12 02:58:46 PM  
3 votes:
FTFA There are two types of people in America: those who have worked in the service industry, and those who have not. Those who have know this story like the back of their hand, because they have lived it. Those who haven't are, virtually without exception, the reason stories like this exist.

So what?  Try ditch digging for a living. Or roofing in 120 degree weather.  Or guard patrol in Iraq.  At least you are in doors most of the time.  Or 75 hours a week months straight to make a development deadline.  I've never worked a service job in my life but I've fark'd enough waiters in my lifetime to know that waiting tables isn't the hardest job in the world.

/the server does their job well - they get tipped
//if they don't - they get nothing
///nooooothing
2013-02-12 02:56:57 PM  
3 votes:

fireclown: Before this goes all crazy, has anyone experimented with a restaurant where servers are just paid a decent wage to start with so that tipping wasn't necessary?


Yes.  Wegman's is a regional higher end market here in the NE and they have "Pubs" at some locations where you order and aren't allowed to tip.  All workers there are well compensated (per their comments to me when I repeatedly TRY to tip) and all have been very nice.
2013-02-12 02:56:11 PM  
3 votes:
oh yes all servers are heroes. stfu already.
2013-02-12 02:54:32 PM  
3 votes:

fireclown: Before this goes all crazy, has anyone experimented with a restaurant where servers are just paid a decent wage to start with so that tipping wasn't necessary?


Of Course.  It's called "Europe".

/PS: They have been in the restaurant business even before the US existed.
2013-02-12 02:53:17 PM  
3 votes:

fireclown: Before this goes all crazy, has anyone experimented with a restaurant where servers are just paid a decent wage to start with so that tipping wasn't necessary?


europeans seem to do just fine.

/had a bartender in northern england insist we not tip him because he was being paid a fair wage and he felt bad when americans overtipped
//we tipped him anyway, he went to college in our hometown and he gave us a liberal free taste from all 20 taps
2013-02-12 02:53:02 PM  
3 votes:
I always tip.  Something.  It really does depend on the service.
I know the difference between when it's the kitchen's fault and the server's.  So I don't punish the server when it isn't their fault.

I normally start at 15%, and go up or down from there depending on how well it went.

A few weeks ago, we ate in a place where our appatizers came out before our drinks.  And two other tables were finished and cleaned up (and they came in after us), before we were even served our main course.  This is not the kitchen's fault, or the bar tender's.  This one lies soley on the server being unorganized.  I tipped very little that day.

In any case, I really do feel for these poor people that are only making like $1.37 an hour.  That's criminal.
2013-02-12 02:52:32 PM  
3 votes:
Yay, tipping thread!

Remember kids, waiters are the hardest working people on the planet.  Without them, society would come to a grinding halt!
2013-02-12 07:27:08 PM  
2 votes:

WhyKnot: it would suck to be a port-o-potty cleaner as well...jeez.

Servers, get over yourself all ready; if you don't like your job, get a different one.


Exactly.  Geez, my job sucks too but it's what I do.  If you don't make enough cash or don't like your job, quit your farking whinging and go work in some other industry.

/no tipping in Japan last time I was there.
2013-02-12 07:26:39 PM  
2 votes:
Biggest reasons I don't go out to eat:

1. Waiting to be served
2. Tipping 20%
3. Ridiculously high taxes on food service
4. 5x alcohol price jack-up
5. Pushy waiters
6. Poor beer selection
7. Sports on TV
8. Mediocre food with portions that are too big
9. Unknown crappy ingredients
10. Listening to loud people at the table next door

But mostly the tipping and waiting. Give me a good food court any day over a sit down restaurant
2013-02-12 06:51:29 PM  
2 votes:
Several years ago, I was traveling on business and had dinner in a small, upper-end family restaurant in the small town I was working in.  I was dining alone.  Service started out pretty good.  Waiter was prompt and efficient.  However, just after my appetizer was served and I had ordered another drink, a table of 4 cute young girls was seated in my waiter's section.  He was all over that table and I was neglected.  I had ordered another drink but that no longer seemed important to him.  While he was at the bar or in the kitchen getting stuff for them, I noticed them going around to other patrons who seemed to be friends and trying to scrape up enough money to pay the bill.  Of course, romeo didn't notice that.

After about 20 minutes of waiting, I got his attention and motioned him over.  He came over and apologized for forgetting my drink.  I asked  him to hold on just a minute - I wanted to talk to him.  I explained to him that I was just as impressed with the young girls' looks as he was but that I was very disappointed in the turn the quality of my service had taken once they walked in the restaurant.  I told him that his other tables appeared to be somewhat annoyed as well.  I then asked him to look at his tables and make a quick analysis.  I was a stranger in town, most likely on business and therefore putting my tab on an expense account.  There was another table with an older couple, obviously well off.  Another table with a family and, from the way they were dressed and behaved, probably above average income.  Then there were the 4 girls.  Obviously co-eds.  I explained that I had observed them hitting up friends and acquaintances in the restaurant hoping to come up with enough money to cover their bill.  And I suggested that, unless he was guaranteed getting laid or at least a great BJ from one of the young girls at the table, his best bet for a tip was going to be to give superior service to the tables where it looked like there might be some money and not be swooning over the one table.  For a moment, he looked at me like he had been pole-axed.  He gathered himself, took off for the bar and brought me 2 drinks, explaining that one was on him for the delay.  For the rest of the evening, my service was impeccable, as was that for his other tables.  He didn't neglect the 4 young women but he didn't spend any more time there than necessary.  I tipped him well.

A couple nights later I was in the same town, went to the same restaurant.  I was seated at a table and shortly after, the hostess came over and asked if I would mind sitting in a different section.  Seems the young man had seen me come in and asked that I be seated in his section - he wanted to make sure I was well taken care of.  And during the course of the evening, he admitted to me that the girls had stiffed him on the tip.  My service, however was impeccable and I tipped him well.
2013-02-12 04:05:59 PM  
2 votes:
Man these stories make me want to stop tipping. But I won't, because I'm not an asshole.

You servers who love to biatch so much should go get a job delivering furniture or hot tubs sometime. You get to carry heavy shiat all day and help morons move their old heavy shiat out of the way so their new heavy shiat will have somewhere to go. When you are finally done, you get to leave without a tip because it isn't like you had to do anything difficult like bringing them some drinks or a god damned pizza.
2013-02-12 04:05:14 PM  
2 votes:

johnny_vegas: Jesus (no pun intended), what a poster child for a cheap, entitlement snowflake.


As opposed to the entitled snowflakes who feel they should be paid extra money for merely doing the job for which they are employed?
2013-02-12 03:47:22 PM  
2 votes:

Jument: Yay, another tipping thread! Honestly, aren't we getting tired of this yet?



The liberals need someone to pity.The author of this article is some kind of idiot MFA who never worked a real job.The fact is that pity is a terrible value.If being a server is so bad, people will migrate to some other job. But they don't. I wonder why?The kind of "writing" exhibited in this article reminds me of being in 7th grade all over again.So does the sentiment. Liberalism is a mental disorder
2013-02-12 03:45:28 PM  
2 votes:

thismomentinblackhistory: If you don't tip, we usually start slow -- we'll make a comment or stop opening your beer.


I always get a kick out of bartenders specifically.  You opened a beer, so clearly you deserve $1.

No need to kick me out.  If a bartender ever commented on not getting a tip for opening a beer, I'd leave.  The place is clearly run by assholes.
2013-02-12 03:43:26 PM  
2 votes:

kidgenius: Nothing about sales.

If you feel you didn't make the minimum wage per hour, keep a log and document everything. If you really didn't make it, show it to your boss, and report them if you'd like.


It's ALL about sales. You have no witness, no way to prove that table 12 left you $3 on a $200 tab, unless it's a credit card. The only way they can track it is based on your sales. Your little "log" will get you laughed out of the manager's office.

/That is unless you think that you can get a notary to follow you around all night.  Welcome to reality, your employer isn't just going to take your word for it if you don't make enough.
PJ-
2013-02-12 03:42:52 PM  
2 votes:
To be quite honest, I never understood how tipping became a percentage of your bill.  I don't tip based upon the bill, because that's just ridiculous, if I sit at a place and have a snack and a quick drink, but spend an hour there milking my drink (or three), would it be fair that I left $5 because my bill was $23?  No, I would probably tip about $10, not because I'm tipping almost 50%, but the fact that I spend an hour there.

At the same fact, I show up with a date and have a meal that last 30 minutes, but the bill comes to me saying $100.  Why the hell would anybody deserve making $30 an hour off me alone.  That's more than I make, and also more than a lot of people I know make.  It's only two people and since it's a quick dinner, it's not like we are ordering plate after plate and drink after drink.

Basically, the way I tip is based on how much time I spend there, and relate tipping on an hourly wage.  If they are good at their job, they get a good tip, because good workers get paid well.  The most I will tip personally is $15 an hour, which, to me anyways, is a very healthy wage, and anybody complaining that I a small tipper deserves to be kicked in the nuts.
2013-02-12 03:40:46 PM  
2 votes:
If you don't believe in tipping, then don't go to restaurants with tipped employees. McDonald's and Burger King are just waiting for you to walk in the door.

If you want to eat at the big boy restaurants, then you pay for the fact that you get service at them, as opposed to ordering your food at a counter and bringing it to your table on your own, as well as handling drink refills, cleaning up after yourself, going back for desert, etc...
2013-02-12 03:23:34 PM  
2 votes:

Taima: Wow, what a bunch of cheap bastards in this thread.  Is giving a few extra bucks to your server (or person from another service profession) really going to hurt you?   If so, then who really needs to get another job?


MmmCrime: kidgenius: MmmCrime: Look at the hourly pay rate on a pay stub for most servers. You'll then understand why you're wrong.

Their rate, including tips, must be >=$7.25 an hour.  This is federal law.  Some states are higher.

That is the rate at which they are taxed at if they're assumed to have made more than $30 in a month. Which means you can work the entire month, make $50 on top of the $424 you would bring in in wages, and then you're taxed as if you're making $7.25 an hr, or $1160 a month

kidgenius may be your name, but call someone you know who is a server and have them explain it to you.


If you brought in $424 ($2.65/hour @ 40 hours/week @ 4 weeks/month) and $50 in tips on top of that, then your employers has to pay you an additional $686 out of his pocket to put you at $1160/month ($7.25/hour).  That's federal law.  If you earn less than minimum wage, then your employer must make up the difference.  That is the law.  If your employers haven't been doing this to you, then you got screwed and your employers have broken the law.
2013-02-12 03:22:47 PM  
2 votes:

fireclown: Before this goes all crazy, has anyone experimented with a restaurant where servers are just paid a decent wage to start with so that tipping wasn't necessary?


Northstar Cafe in Columbus, Ohio.  They have a couple locations around the city, and they have it printed on all their menus that the staff is paid a normal wage and doesn't work for tips.  I haven't had a single bad experience in the 3 years that I've been going there, and I enjoy the fact that there's not some unspoken expectation of tip at the end of the meal.
2013-02-12 03:21:45 PM  
2 votes:
Tip your server, or don't eat out at a restaurant, you cheap piece of shiat.

Honestly, why is that so hard to understand?
2013-02-12 03:18:28 PM  
2 votes:
Oh no, unskilled laborers are complaining about being paid unskilled labor wages again.

Unless you aren't covered by the FLSA, you'll get no sympathy from me about your pay.  If you can't live off minimum wage, you can't afford to be a waiter/waitress.
2013-02-12 03:16:44 PM  
2 votes:

fireclown: Before this goes all crazy, has anyone experimented with a restaurant where servers are just paid a decent wage to start with so that tipping wasn't necessary?


Every restaurant in Europe. Amazingly, it works pretty well.

Seriously, tipping is moronic. I do it, because the system is farked up and I don't want to hurt the server, but it needs to go away. Your job does not suck any more than a million others that don't get tips, your job is only special because restaurant owners bought congress off to exempt them from paying minimum wage.
2013-02-12 03:16:04 PM  
2 votes:

lennavan: It's your first time to this particular restaurant.  You look around, the place is packed.  Heck, it seems as if it has been packed all day.  But you're hungry, your wife doesn't want to drive around and you heard this place has good food so you walk up to where the hostess is supposed to be to put your name in.  But she's not there.  So you stand around and wait until she finally comes back.  After glancing at her list of names, she tells you 15-20 minutes.  Really she knows it will be more like 45 minutes but she doesn't want customers to leave so she fudges the numbers.

You look around, there's just a single bench for seating in the waiting area and it's occupied.  Some people are packed in like sardines in the inside waiting area but most people are waiting outside in the cold, so you follow suit.  After 30 minutes you ask the hostess how much longer.  She says any minute now.  Another 15 minutes go by waiting, standing outside in the cold.  Your feet hurt and you're cold but your name gets called so you go get seated.

You sit at your table with your wife and wait.  It takes your waitress 15 minutes before she bothers to come by and introduce herself.  Your waitress has 42 other people to take care of, a full load.  You're just 5% of her work load and boy does she ever treat you like it.  She says "Hi, my name is, and I'll be your server, can I get you some drinks?"   Well you order your drinks but it's another 10 minutes before she bothers to bring them out.  When you do get your drinks, they should have come with a warning - drink slowly.  There's no chance she'll notice your drink is empty and when you ask for a refill, that's another 10 minute wait.  Somewhere around 20 minutes after you sat down the waitress asks if you're ready to order.  Yeah, we were ready 15 minutes ago, where were you?  When the food comes, it's terrible.  Turns out the cook is new and keeps screwing up orders.  The waitress knows it.  You asked specifically for no nuts because you'r ...


Stop eating at IHOP.
2013-02-12 03:15:33 PM  
2 votes:
Wow, what a bunch of cheap bastards in this thread.  Is giving a few extra bucks to your server (or person from another service profession) really going to hurt you?   If so, then who really needs to get another job?
2013-02-12 03:14:48 PM  
2 votes:

fastfxr: GET A DIFFERENT JOB, YOU WHINY WANKER.


No one is forcing you to do this.

Go work on a farm or ranch....then come back and whine.

/Sorry...can't stand people whining about something they have 100% power to change.


If you're going to feed and clean up after pigs and cows, you might as well do it somewhere with air conditioning.
2013-02-12 03:13:46 PM  
2 votes:

Dancin_In_Anson: even if he or she sucks, give him or her 15%.


holy shiat no. tipping exists to give those who actually deserve it recognition for being decent at their job.
2013-02-12 03:10:14 PM  
2 votes:
I have all sorts of sympathy for servers. I really do.
But when "you've been doing this for years" -- you really should have taken that assistant management gig or KM or *something*.
Waiting tables is not a career.  It can be a helpful *point* in a career.  It can round out some shiat times.  But it's not a thing you *stay* in.
Yeah, you may be able to pull down more at the peak of your serving career than the management track pays to start -- but one of those numbers trends up and the other trends down, fast.
If you think it's hard to make ends meet as a 20-something server, take a couple minutes and consider what it's like at 40- and 50-something.

/ same goes for pretty much any gratuity-based and/or manual work
2013-02-12 03:05:14 PM  
2 votes:
GET A DIFFERENT JOB, YOU WHINY WANKER.


No one is forcing you to do this.

Go work on a farm or ranch....then come back and whine.

/Sorry...can't stand people whining about something they have 100% power to change.
2013-02-12 03:02:24 PM  
2 votes:

fireclown: Before this goes all crazy, has anyone experimented with a restaurant where servers are just paid a decent wage to start with so that tipping wasn't necessary?


Europe.

It works.
2013-02-12 02:59:38 PM  
2 votes:
FTFA
and who works service and deals with this kind of galloping obnoxiousness for less than minimum wage every single day.

Sorry, but no.  There are laws against this.  You are required to be paid the federal minimum wage, after you collect your tips.
2013-02-12 02:58:32 PM  
2 votes:
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2013-02-12 02:57:51 PM  
2 votes:
If waiting tables is so bad, why do people do it?  I spent my college years working at a sub shop.  I still had to deal with customers, but I got paid over $10 an hour and was out of there by 10pm every night.  I have always assumed that the 'good' nights made the pay average out to more and that's why someone would choose to wait tables, but every single article I read says they are basically slaves who do nothing but selflessly serve their employers and customers for minimum wage.
2013-02-12 02:54:58 PM  
2 votes:
If being a waitress is such a lousy job, why do so many people do it?  And why have so many people done it over the years -- regardless of the economy which, I admit, is crap right now.
2013-02-12 02:53:25 PM  
2 votes:
o.onionstatic.com
2013-02-12 02:50:54 PM  
2 votes:
Long article is long.
2013-02-12 02:49:17 PM  
2 votes:

fireclown: Before this goes all crazy, has anyone experimented with a restaurant where servers are just paid a decent wage to start with so that tipping wasn't necessary?


Of course not.  The owner would rather have you subsidize his workers than pay them himself.
2013-02-12 02:46:10 PM  
2 votes:
Before this goes all crazy, has anyone experimented with a restaurant where servers are just paid a decent wage to start with so that tipping wasn't necessary?
2013-02-12 02:45:47 PM  
2 votes:
25.media.tumblr.com
2013-02-13 10:34:12 PM  
1 vote:
Article can kiss my goddamn ass. I worked in the service industry for seven years, back when minimum wage was less than half what it is now in this state. I never, ever failed to average $20 an hour, and that was after taking taxes and tips to the host(esse)s and busers into consideration. What was my trick?

Know your customer, know your shiat, know what to upsell and know when to shut it. Minimum wage in some states is over $8, $9 an hour- even for tipped employees. There are laws that prohibit working 12 hour shifts without breaks. If you can't make a decent living serving, you're either in the wrong establishment or you're shiatty at what you do. Period. I'm not giving you 20% in a non-tipped minimum wage state unless your service is mindblowing, or you're mindblowing. In a tipped minimum wage state, I will tip better, but if you act like it's owed to you, fark you.
2013-02-13 03:49:32 PM  
1 vote:

Finger51: Also, if you don't want to tip- that's fine. Just DO NOT EVER GO BACK TO THAT RESTAURANT.

Seriously. I've seen things.


You know reading this thread, the sheer willingness of people in the service industry to poison their customers for petty things is farking bizarre. Like waiting tables induces some sort of psychosis or something.
2013-02-12 11:39:54 PM  
1 vote:

Dome: on a great night, servers at our restaurant can bring in over 250 on a 10-12 hour shift. on a slow lunch it'll be $35. what should we set their hourly wage? if i posted a sign that said servers make "$10/hour; please tip accordingly" what do you think would happen to tips? that they'd go up? or that they'd go away.

then you have servers working at $10/hour while operating costs have now quadrupled for a large chunk of my staff, and then they're stuck for the most part at $10/hour when they could be making more.

if i have 2 servers both working, and one is bussing faster, working harder, and upselling more, their sales are much higher and they make a lot more money than one who's slow and unmotivated to upsell or provide good service. if they both make a set wage, why should one work harder?


This is a joke.  Most people in this country work for an hourly wage or salary.  Why should they put in any effort? Probably to keep their jobs in a tough economy, and to move up the ranks and make more money.  Why is it perfectly reasonable to pay virtually everyone else a wage but waitstaff can't handle it and have to hussle for tips?

If you have waitstaff that are working harder they can be rewarded with more hours, higher wages, promotions, bonuses and the like.  Plenty of countries do this and it works fine, as a customer I have always preferred travelling in countries where I don't have to worry about tipping, which is virtually everywhere I've gone.
2013-02-12 10:20:11 PM  
1 vote:

Gough: If we assume that FARKers are a representative cross-section of the US population*, working as a waitperson must suck badly.  What a bunch of cheap bastages.

*A sobering and scary assumption.


They aren't.  These same people talking tough on the interwebs are the same people that ensure to leave at LEAST $5 if not 15% when they go out to eat.

It's just fun to talk tough without having to actually face the consequences of your own words.

What I find funny is that so many people say "get a real job," yet I've seen very few people who can actually perform a server/bartender job well.  By well I mean prompt and friendly service, even under duress.  Then again, I believe that the tip isn't just about delivering food/drinks but also about awareness of what your guest requires.  Privacy, entertainment, someone to talk to, etc.
My golden rule (I work at an Irish pub now so that's not as big of a deal now) is to win over kids.  Keep someone's kids quiet and entertained and the parents will be forever grateful.
2013-02-12 10:16:56 PM  
1 vote:

Smelly Pirate Hooker: If these threads (and real life) weren't full of assholes telling servers to get a better job, or telling all of us how much their job sucks by comparison so everybody should just put up with whatever shiat their employer decides to dish out, I might be inclined to tell the servers to suck it up.

But there are assholes everywhere, assholing all over everything, so I'm on the side of the servers.

I guess for most people, making unreasonable demands in a restaurant is the only bit of real power they'll ever have. Maybe we should feel sorry for them that the only way they can feel important is to heap abuse on the lowly restaurant workers.


THIS! THIS! THIS!!!

and again, as I stated earlier: Would you rather them be job searching for something better/NOT WORKING while being on welfare at the same time instead of working? Because in THAT case you would be dissing them for mooching off the government!!! People do what they can to survive and you don't always know the reasons WHY people choose to be servers. But at LEAST they are working to make a living. So when you go out and the service is good, TIP THEM! If you cant afford to tip, don't eat out.
2013-02-12 09:56:41 PM  
1 vote:

D_Evans45: al's hat: D_Evans45:...

People who have real jobs and don't tip should bring their personal servants to wait on them at restaurants...

The purpose of going to a restaurant is being fed and serviced by staff. Thats what you are paid to do. I would have went to the market and then prepared the burger at my house if I had the time and energy. Instead, I go to a store where someone quickly serves it up to me without fuss.

Imagine if everyone were as pissy as you chumps. Your mechanic isn't going to fix your car to the best of his ability because your car isn't a BMW. Your construction workers warily accept your cash before they slap up a half assed building, with a shiatty attitude at that.

Why is it okay for serve staff to think like this? You are a bunch of cheap fuhks unwilling to apply yourself for real jobs, and piss and moan when people dont leave you a bunch of money after they eat. fark off lazyasses.

/I worked at a restaurant for about 3 months
//Thn I got a real job


I'm betting you worked at a restaurant for 3 months and found that your pissy attitude got you poor tips.  If you think that the majority of wait staff are whiny and aren't working "real" jobs then please remove yourself from the equation.  I'd honestly prefer to not be seated next to an arrogant arsehole while having dinner served to me by someone who is providing me a service.
2013-02-12 09:30:22 PM  
1 vote:

D_Evans45: If you depend on tips, you need to get a real job. Surely you have better job skills than "loads/unloads trays - washes dishes." Listening to whiny servers is like listening to a bunch of whiny Apple fans. Get over it pussies.

Be glad you work indoors and only have to carry 20 pounds tops. And even gladder people just hand you money all day because you smile at people.

/Pussies


People who have real jobs and don't tip should bring their personal servants to wait on them at restaurants...
2013-02-12 09:14:21 PM  
1 vote:
After the fifteenth moan-piece from a waiter posted on Fark in two years, I think I will just stop going to restaurants if it is going to inconvenience them that much.
2013-02-12 08:59:20 PM  
1 vote:
Waah feel bad for me because I spent high school getting high and drinking instead of acquiring skills.
2013-02-12 08:45:09 PM  
1 vote:

jdbob: The west coast (along with a couple of other states) require minimum wage plus tips:

http://www.dol.gov/whd/state/tipped.htm


From your link:

A tipped employee engages in an occupation in which he or she customarily and regularly receives more than $30 per month in tips. An employer of a tipped employee is only required to pay $2.13 per hour in direct wages if that amount combined with the tips received at least equals the federal minimum wage. If the employee's tips combined with the employer's direct wages of at least $2.13 per hour do not equal the federal minimum hourly wage, the employer must make up the difference. Many states, however, require higher direct wage amounts for tipped employees.

All 50 states. Period.
2013-02-12 08:36:23 PM  
1 vote:
You chose to be in food industry, why should I give you my money for you performing your job? I don't tip.
2013-02-12 08:22:25 PM  
1 vote:

toomuchmarisa: untaken_name: toomuchmarisa: Yes, it is disgusting. That's the whole point.

/not ashamed at all

You're not ashamed of attempted murder, but I'm supposed to be ashamed for not caving in to your attempted extortion? What kind of upside-down world do waiters inhabit?

No, you're not supposed to be ashamed of framing your interactions with a waiter as "extortion". You're supposed to enjoy your ballsack-beer, while we laugh at you. Or, as I suggested, just don't come back.

/not rocket science


The extortion, genius, is that if I don't pay you money, you will adulterate my food, genius. That is pretty much the textbook definition of extortion, genius. Gee, I wonder why you're a waiter?
2013-02-12 08:17:51 PM  
1 vote:

skankboy: Southern100: If there was a problem waiter, you would have known about it already).

You sound like a douche.


Why, because I let the waiter know that the $30 steak I ordered Medium Rare was delivered Well Done? Or that the baked potato that I ordered with no salt was rolled in sea salt?  I have absolutely no problem with that at all, as I'm not shy.  If I'm going out to dinner, I want my food the way I ordered it, at least to SOME extent. Therefore, if I haven't informed the server that there's a problem with my order, then they can be reasonably assured that everything is satisfactory.

I'm not going to complain about little things like not enough salad dressing, or an empty drink glass (I'm sure they'll get around to filling it eventually), or too much butter on the bread, or crap like that; if it's edible, we'll eat, pay, tip & leave.  To me, though, a well done steak isn't edible. Undercook it a little, that's fine - but if it's cooked to the point it's dry as a bone, you can be damn sure I'll have them bring me another one.

If you're just going to eat what they bring you, why even bother ordering it a certain way?
2013-02-12 08:17:48 PM  
1 vote:
I tip, but only if the service is good or above average.
What these crybabies should be doing, is evaluating their life, finding out why being a waiter/waitress
is the only job they can find & hold down.  Are their jobs in other towns that you could move to?
Did you waste your time & money getting inked & pierced?  Did you "party" when you should have
been studying in high school?  Did you drop out of school?  Did you get pregnant as a teen?
Maybe, instead of complaining about only making 2 bucks or more & hour, and complaining that
people, who worked hard, didn't party 24/7 or did other dopey things when they were young, and
made something out of their life, aren't tipping enough, you should buckle down and work at finding
a job that offers more than a few bucks an hour.
And no, I wasn't born with a silver spoon in my mouth.  I had loving parents that were strict on me,
made me study when others were out having a good time, I worked like a dog as a teenager,
got a degree in a field I love, and have been gainfully employed for over 32 years.
Not everything is given to you in life.  You have to EARN it.  I struggled when I was young, and
I have NO respect or sympathy for those that complain about their lot in life.  If you don't like it,
CHANGE IT!
2013-02-12 08:01:48 PM  
1 vote:

spickus: When did the standard tip increase from 15 to 20 % and more importantly why?

/Outlaw tipping and charge more for the meal.


I'm old enough to remember when the standard was 10%. Then 12%, then 15. Now they want 20. If they hold to the previous pattern, the next jump will be to 30 or more.
2013-02-12 07:55:14 PM  
1 vote:
When did the standard tip increase from 15 to 20 % and more importantly why?

/Outlaw tipping and charge more for the meal.
2013-02-12 07:05:01 PM  
1 vote:
Oh no. It's the entitled snowflake arts graduate thread again.

Look, sweetcheeks, you're doing low skill manual labour and you can be replaced in, oh, twenty seconds at the outside. If you didn't want to be in that situation you should have worked harder at school or chosen more wisely at university.
2013-02-12 06:57:53 PM  
1 vote:

Dixon Cider: JesusJuice:

I never tip and neither should you.  It just perpetuates a broken system.

Want to know how I know you are an asshole?


I'm guessing you define everyone more intelligent than you to be an asshole.
2013-02-12 06:26:57 PM  
1 vote:

Thisbymaster: Get a real education, one that has jobs. If you are just studying what you like then you have failed at understanding the point of education.


No. There's absolutely nothing wrong with studying whatever you like, provided you don't assume this entitles you to a job.

The problem is if you expect to get a job without any real forethought or planning.
I don't care what your parents, teachers, high-school guidance counsellor, or "society" told you. If you're not smart enough to see that a degree in English Lit or Philosophy isn't exactly the path to a successful career, then you get what you deserve.
2013-02-12 06:26:29 PM  
1 vote:

Taima: Wow, what a bunch of cheap bastards in this thread.  Is giving a few extra bucks to your server (or person from another service profession) really going to hurt you?   If so, then who really needs to get another job?


But be honest, "a couple of bucks" isn't 20%, unless you only order $10 worth of food.

When I take my family out to dinner, our bill is usually around $60.  20% of that is $12.00.  We're usually there for an hour, from the time we sit down to the time we leave (sometimes less).  That means that server just made a minimum of $12.00/hour FROM ME. (Because I typically do tip 20%. I'll tip more if the server just keeps our drinks refilled and doesn't talk. I hate being asked "how is everything?"  --  If there was a problem waiter, you would have known about it already).

But anyway - so the server just made $12.00/hour off me. Plus no telling how many other diners.  Even if they get the occasional non-tipper, they're STILL going to make out like bandits at the end of the night.

My own daughters have both been waitresses at various restaurants, and they've both told me there's never been a night they didn't walk out with at least $100 in tips after a full night, and sometimes as much as $300. (And that's from no where near as many tables as this author apparently had).

It doesn't take many diners to pull out $100 in tips, even at only $5 a table.  Even on a 5 hour shift, that works out to only 2 tables per hour.

So I don't think it's a question of "20%", but "how much does your server think they deserve per hour"?

Because any server that isn't making at least $10/hour on average needs to find a different restaurant.
2013-02-12 06:01:26 PM  
1 vote:

ReverendJynxed: My mother managed to raise two kids by herself in Hawaii (very expensive) on food and beverage wages and tips. She always put the customer first and expected nothing. She did very well for herself with ONE job and two kids.

She was expected to provide a service in that job and she did so. Tips were a recognition of that job well done. Tips were never counted on nor expected, she did her job well because it was the right thing to do.

Work ethics have changed a lot in the last 30 years. Now we got the snowflakes in service and they expect participation rewards just for showing up to the job alive.


A lot of THIS
2013-02-12 05:48:39 PM  
1 vote:
I thought being paid less than minimum wage is ILLEGAL?

Tips are optional, not obligated. If you receive a tip, say thanks, if not, don't hold a grudge against the customers. It's not only the server who is having a hard time in life. Just because somebody's a customer of a restaurant doesn't mean he exactly has that much throwaway money or doesn't have a lot of bills to pay where the tip money could be better used.

Reading that write-up made me feel stressed and out of breath, probably due to its lack of proper punctuations.

Why was the hero tag used again? I think it's time we had an "Angry Worker" tag.
2013-02-12 05:41:16 PM  
1 vote:
You're not impressing me when you don't write down my order. I don't care if you maintain eye contact; I care that I don't get pickles on my burger. If you think that maintaining eye contact is going to ensure you a better tip than getting my order right you are fully mistaken.
2013-02-12 05:27:10 PM  
1 vote:

yelmrog: Tipping is the price you pay to eat like the nobility used to, to have people wait on you like servants.  Don't like it, don't eat at restaurants.


o'rly?

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2013-02-12 05:15:53 PM  
1 vote:

browntimmy: Here's a brilliant idea, pay them minimum wage and customers can tip $2-$5 extra if they feel like it. If McDonald's can afford to pay their workers minimum wage, Olive Garden can too without jacking up the price of noodles and sauce.


Yeah, yeah, yeah...

Here's the problem - the one thing that every single server is carefully avoiding to mention is that they don't want to work for minimum wage. They already know they're more than qualified to go to McDonald's and make $8 an hour. They want to make significantly more than that, so all of your arguments about paying the minimum wage are intentionally being ignored. Show me just ONE server or bartender on here who would be willing to work for 20-30% over minimum wage rather than stay with the current model.
2013-02-12 05:13:43 PM  
1 vote:
If you don't like begging for hands outs, dont be a waiter
if you want to make more than min wage, don't be a waiter (YES, they make min wage if their tips don't cover. NO restraunt owners don't break federal laws to repress the young)


I only tip on first dates, because of social norms.. after that get wrecked.

I don't get $5 for great spreedsheets, I get my salery
2013-02-12 05:04:19 PM  
1 vote:
Here's how things went last night in a restaurant we go to almost weekly.

Waiter:  Hello guys, I'm going off shift, but I'll make sure [waiter] has you covered.  You want a mojito, right?
Me: Yep
Friend:  And I'll have an ice tea.
about three minutes go by
New Waiter:  Here's your mojito and ice tea.  Do you need more time or are you ready to order:
Friend:  I'm ready.
Me: I'm ready.
We place orders
Several minutes go by, the appetizer arrives.
Another 10 minutes go by, the food arrives.
There were no issues until the very end when the waiter was stuck at a table with some slow people so couldn't pick up the credit card and process the order.  It wasn't his fault.  The people were that stupid in trying to order.

We left a proper tip.
2013-02-12 05:01:11 PM  
1 vote:

Giant Clown Shoe: Also no matter the industry you tip misers currently feel masters of that allows you the absence of empathy you're showing toward a big group of people that do work very hard just remember you will age. You will become less desirable and your skill set will become obsolete. There will be a point that you might need the goodwill of strangers and I hope the universe pays you back for your lack of generosity to those less fortunate.


I dont see my skillset becoming obsolete in my lifetime, but you know what? I realize how lucky I am and I tip like a motherfarker.
2013-02-12 04:57:43 PM  
1 vote:

kidgenius: First, doesn't matter a table of 8 didn't leave a tip.  Gratuity is almost always enforced on tables of 6 or 8.  Second, most restaurants have "bussers" that clear the tables, not waiters...


If that's the case you have to tip them out.

fastfxr: Sorry...can't stand people whining about something they have 100% power to change.


I'm sure there are lots of single mothers and students that would love to find jobs that meet their financial needs w/out having to deal with all the assholes being a server or bartender necessitates.

Also no matter the industry you tip misers currently feel masters of that allows you the absence of empathy you're showing toward a big group of people that do work very hard just remember you will age.  You will become less desirable and your skill set will become obsolete.  There will be a point that you might need the goodwill of strangers and I hope the universe pays you back for your lack of generosity to those less fortunate.

I can afford to tip well.  When I do the smile on the person's face often makes me feel like I've made their day a little better.  Who wouldn't give a few bucks to make someone's awful day a little bit better?  What kind of person does that make you?

And if you're unwilling to provide the customary 15%-20% tip to your server you likely should get carry out or just eat at home.

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2013-02-12 04:39:14 PM  
1 vote:

OgreMagi: God I hate bad tippers.  I hate more so the fark assholes who say "if you don't like it, get a different job".  Fark you.

Let's talk about my favorite waitress Robin.  She waited tables to put her husband threw college.  She worked her ass off as an investment.  He graduated and got a good job.  Then she got pregnant so had to skip her turn for college.   Three kids later the husband leaves her.  Now she's middle aged, and a single mom.  She hasn't worked for 10 years because she was a stay at home mom.  So she goes back to being a waitress because that's one of the few jobs she can get.  So yeah, she should totally get a job as an investment broker instead of waitressing and stop biatching about not getting a tip.

The people who give waitresses the most shiat are usually the people who had the most privileged life. Daddy paid for college and they never had to wait a table in their life.  High on the list of shiatty tippers are the "good christians".  Those people are complete butt-wipes.

When I was poor, I tipped what I could.  It wasn't always what the waitress deserved, but it was the best I could do.  Now that I am successful, I alway overtip unless the service was absolutely horrible.

/I've never worked in a restaurant in my life, but I've worked some pretty shiatty jobs


No offense, but you make it sound like "getting pregnant" was something beyond her control.
2013-02-12 04:37:40 PM  
1 vote:
Person A and person B go to eat together.
Person A orders a $20 filet mignon.
Person B orders a $5 cheeseburger.
The server writes both orders down, punches it into the computer, then carries two plates of food to the table.  The work the server does for each person is identical.  Yet, person A is expected to pay more for the service than person B, even though the server did no additional work for person A.
2013-02-12 04:32:17 PM  
1 vote:
God I hate bad tippers.  I hate more so the fark assholes who say "if you don't like it, get a different job".  Fark you.

Let's talk about my favorite waitress Robin.  She waited tables to put her husband threw college.  She worked her ass off as an investment.  He graduated and got a good job.  Then she got pregnant so had to skip her turn for college.   Three kids later the husband leaves her.  Now she's middle aged, and a single mom.  She hasn't worked for 10 years because she was a stay at home mom.  So she goes back to being a waitress because that's one of the few jobs she can get.  So yeah, she should totally get a job as an investment broker instead of waitressing and stop biatching about not getting a tip.

The people who give waitresses the most shiat are usually the people who had the most privileged life. Daddy paid for college and they never had to wait a table in their life.  High on the list of shiatty tippers are the "good christians".  Those people are complete butt-wipes.

When I was poor, I tipped what I could.  It wasn't always what the waitress deserved, but it was the best I could do.  Now that I am successful, I alway overtip unless the service was absolutely horrible.

/I've never worked in a restaurant in my life, but I've worked some pretty shiatty jobs
2013-02-12 04:30:01 PM  
1 vote:

gingerjet: Or guard patrol in Iraq.  At least you are in doors most of the time.  Or 75 hours a week months straight to make a development deadline.  I've never worked a service job in my life but I've fark'd enough waiters in my lifetime to know that waiting tables isn't the hardest job in the world.


It's a slacker job. There's rush times at conventional mealtimes, and a lot of waiting around otherwise. You don't have to learn much and you can blame your customers for their troubles.


Are people oafs? The majority of them are, both servers and customers.


Why do people keep working server jobs? It's better in their view than the alternative, which would require more commitment.


I'm not the biggest fan of jobs or "hard work" (usually bullshiat) but let's call it what it is. There's a reason they give these jobs to teenagers and the elderly. They're mentally easy jobs.
2013-02-12 04:29:16 PM  
1 vote:
Allow me to weigh in.
I'm a bartender.  I love my job so much I've been doing it for ten years.  I have a degree (psychology) but opt to not use it.  I make damn good money at what I do (somewhere in the range of 50k a year) in ARKANSAS.  So the money is not the problem.
The problem with paying people a set wage is that this country is too comfortable in its sense of entitlement.  The tip is typically incentive to do a little better than you would if they were paying you standard wages.  Is it a stupid concept?  fark yes it is.  I also hate the idea of "To Insure (Ensure but whatever) Proper Service."  No, you should do your best at whatever table your at or whatever job you have elected to take.
Now with that said, are tips appreciated?  Hell yes they are.  I'm very personable, very high energy, and rather knowledgeable about drinks, food, and dabble enough in other stuff to be able to keep up a conversation.  As a server (which I have also done) the dynamic is different and much less personal, which is why I see why servers feel so shafted on their end of the deal, but it happens.  Earn your stripes, get to know your clientele, or move on to another location.
At 30 the job has taken a small toll on me, but I get to work rather lax hours.  4pm to 2am, 4 days a week.  Life is pain...until I look at all my expensive toys I've been able to afford over the years.  If you are that worried about making rent and paying bills, budget money better.  I've gotten myself into some bad debt because of this line of work, and I managed to work my way out of it with DISCIPLINE.

Mind you, I'm also the outlier here.  Most people wait tables/tend bar as an in between style job until they get "something better."  I simply enjoy the atmosphere and the money I do make (the good days and the bad) enough to be completely satisfied working the job I do.

But never a corporate bar....fark corporate bars.
/Turned down management.
//It would have been a ~20k a year pay cut.
2013-02-12 04:27:35 PM  
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RoxtarRyan: But let's be honest... unless you are busing the tables as well, serving and cooking the food yourself, you're paid to write an order down, and carry it 20 goddamn feet.


I don't think you've been a waiter.

RoxtarRyan: most people hate their jobs and feel as if they are underpaid


What do you do? Am I to assume I could do it the way a vast majority of people who have never tended bar or waited tables assume that they could do it? Could most of them do it well?

It's no secret that the bar is pretty low to get a job waiting tables. And there are plenty of restaurants that will continue to employ morons who don't care about their job.

There is real money to be made out there, and at the places where there is money to be made, it is very competitive indeed. The weak do not last. If you can multitask, keep your cool under pressure, stay organized, and have the personality to accommodate an ever changing clientele with their own unique standards and set of demands, you can make bank.
2013-02-12 04:27:22 PM  
1 vote:
Anyone who leaves a passive-aggressive note in lieu of a tip and skitters out is a coward. If the service was bad, have the balls to complain about it to the manager. Otherwise, you deserve to have your picture taken and posted on every host or hostess station in town so that they can turn you away.
2013-02-12 04:26:41 PM  
1 vote:
The only possible use for this thread is humor. MOAR PICS
2013-02-12 04:17:02 PM  
1 vote:
If you can't afford to tip, there's no one to blame except yourself. Also, if you can't afford to tip, you shouldn't be going to any restaurant that doesn't offer a meal for children with a toy included.
2013-02-12 04:13:47 PM  
1 vote:
I bet the servers that complain the loudest about "bad tippers" are the same ones who rationalize not declaring their tips as taxable income.
2013-02-12 04:09:24 PM  
1 vote:
I almost always tip 20%, if a server is leaving, especially a bar tender I tip them out to the point they are at in the bill or the meal. If you are a really lousy server I will tip 10-15% BUT I will probably never come back to the place again. I don't want the guilt of shorting someone and trying to slink out before they see it. I will pay once and vanish forever if it really is bad all the way around but I really have never had a terrible experience where it was ALL the server's fault. Usually the food isn't ready or done correctly and thats generally not their fault. I tip well or over-tip at places I like because when I come back a second time (or 200th time) I want them to know its going to go well for them, I will get treated like a king and they will likely remember my drink order in detail and/or get to me quickly. I am competing for their time with other guests and I want the advantage or at least a level playing field. I know, like most people, these jobs are tough and bullying a server financially is just pathetic. I think people who don't tip are acting like they have power over someone for once in their life and their first instinct is to torture the poor person. Its like the vicious prison guard mentality and thats some toxic karma to be dragging around.

The other approach is you think you are a judge on the waiter/bartender version of American Idol and you waste your time trying to ultra-fine-tune the tip like you know everything they are up against and your picky-ass criteria matters. Either tip the servers for the work appropriately or don't go to the place.
hej
2013-02-12 04:08:50 PM  
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diabloninja: johnny_vegas: Jesus (no pun intended), what a poster child for a cheap, entitlement snowflake.

As opposed to the entitled snowflakes who feel they should be paid extra money for merely doing the job for which they are employed?


And more to the point, for doing a job for me that I'd be more than happy to do myself.  I've been to Panera Bread before.  Carrying a plate of food to my table is 7 seconds of inconvenience that I'm more than able to tolerate.
2013-02-12 04:06:47 PM  
1 vote:
I avoid all waitresses and waiters.  I eat at the bar and tip my bartender.  Two birds, ect. ect.
2013-02-12 04:05:11 PM  
1 vote:
If you come to me with a slack-ass attitude and Justin beiber hair all in your face, we may have a problem though.
/had that in Tampa. The guy screwed up an order for a steak sammich. Pants below his ass, and never bothered to check on soda levels...
2013-02-12 04:02:52 PM  
1 vote:
After sharing my tips with hosts, bussers, and bartenders, I make less than $9 an hour on average, before taxes.

Yeah but you had more fun in High School than me.

So you got that going for you. Which is nice.
2013-02-12 04:00:38 PM  
1 vote:

2KanZam: Working in the restaurant business is really tough and can be a whole lotta work.


....and if you don't like it then get a farking education or skill and make a living by doing something you won't biatch about.  I did...as did most I know

/Don't complain about something that you can change


OK, just to give you guys a different perspective:

I'm a single mother.  I work for a university as a business manager.  I have a master's degree and fifteen years' experience in my field.  I also bar tend part time on the weekends in a 'gentleman's club' because I am my sole source of income--no support or help from the ex at all (married for 8 years).  So, I could live in a snake pit and not provide a reasonably comfortable existence for myself and my daughter, or I could use what hotness I have left to make a little scratch on the side to live well.

So to all of you narrow-minded, tunnel-visioned Mr. Magoo's who can't see past their own experiences, people like me often work in service jobs because they need a SECOND source of income to supplement, and that job needs to have different hours than the OTHER job I have that provides my family with insurance, benefits, etc.

If you can't afford to tip, you can't afford to go out.  Stay home.

And you are supposed to tip the staff if you get take out from a restaurant.  Do you know that the servers have to pay taxes on a minimum of 8% of their sales?  So, if you stiff them, they still have to pay taxes on money they didn't even earn.

Thanks a lot to those of you who have the class to take care of those who take care of you!!  And to the rest of you, I hope someone puts Visine in your rum and coke.
2013-02-12 03:59:27 PM  
1 vote:

Englebert Slaptyback: You pause, you pause, you breathe, you stow the panic about the rent and the bills that is in your throat like acid, you breathe, and then you


...try to figure out where the hell you went wrong in your life to end up in such an untenable position so you can fix whatever the hell it is so you can have a real job where you don't need to worry about making rent.



That's a bullshiat copout. There are millions of people doing that job, and we need millions of people to do that job unless no one wants to eat at restaurants anymore. They do work very hard and your condescension doesn't change the fact that a perfectly valid and legal profession is exempt from minimum wage laws because labor unions have been devastated across the country and the average worker has no one with power to advocate for them.

We should not allow this garbage to continue. At the very least the exemption of minimum wage needs to be rescinded. But really we need to pay people who work ANY legal job a goddamn living wage already. The destruction of the wealth and income of the majority of Americans has gone on for far too long already.

Holier than thou bullshiat about how menial their jobs are compared to ours doesn't change those basic facts.
2013-02-12 03:57:49 PM  
1 vote:

Dancin_In_Anson: diabloninja: Threats of having your food spit in, extorting money from people for over 50 years.

Well, look at it like this. You know what the situation is for these folks. If you frequent a place and are intentionally a dickhead to these people, sooner or later the possibility exists that someone will respond in kind.

Don't be a dickhead.


They are making at least minimum wage (if working for an enterprise business) so they don't get any sympathy from me about not being tipped.  I don't like tipping being expected, if all a server does is take my order, refill my drink once, and drop off the check, why am I paying them $5-6?  A lot of chain places have runners bring out the food, and the interaction with the waiter is minimal.

Not tipping isn't a dick move, unless the service was great.  My disagreement with the social norm is that I'm expected to give 20% regardless of what happened during the meal.  I refuse to tip for bad or average service, and I won't go back because I know people like that are petty, immature children who would spit in someone's food because the last time they dined, the server didn't get what they wanted.
2013-02-12 03:57:36 PM  
1 vote:

fireclown: Before this goes all crazy, has anyone experimented with a restaurant where servers are just paid a decent wage to start with so that tipping wasn't necessary?


Yes.  In Japan.  The servers are genuinely happy to see you and serve you your food correctly.  Why? Because a happy customer is a repeat customer and repeat customers mean the restaurant stays open and they keep their jobs.
2013-02-12 03:56:29 PM  
1 vote:
They should start a game show on this. Hidden cameras. If the waiter claims the exact amount they make on tips and report it correctly to the manager, they get a huge bonus/raise/promotion, etc. If they lie, they get arrested for tax fraud.

I just want to see a lot of people get arrested.
2013-02-12 03:53:33 PM  
1 vote:

thismomentinblackhistory: Madbassist1: thismomentinblackhistory: God damn tipping thread. I love working for a small business, one of the busiest bars in town.

If you don't tip, we usually start slow -- we'll make a comment or stop opening your beer. Three strikes and we either cut you off or kick you out, because we reserve the right to refuse service for any reason. Not tipping? You're a dick. And you can leave.

LOL dont tell the owner or you'll be the one going out the door, asshole.

Not likely. Corporate restaurants have ruined customers expectations. People think they can go wherever they want and act however they want and that nobody will call them out on it. We don't put up with any shiat, and the numbers we put up on a fricking Tuesday are what most in this town would kill for on a Saturday.

If we don't like you, we don't serve you. We don't need 14 frat boys screaming for bud lights and ruining the place just because they have money. They can go be farks somewhere else.


You might think its not likely. I'd be willing to say you're likely wrong. If I found out my employees were bouncing my paying customers because they weren't getting their (not required) cut, I'd can them so fast it would make their head spin. I think most business men would as well. I also find that pretty generally, employees almost always overestimate their worth to the business...as you are doing right now. Trust me, if the owner canned you and hired someone else you might be missed for a month...maybe two, but it will survive.
2013-02-12 03:49:16 PM  
1 vote:
You know why I don't wait tables into my 20's? Only someone truly desperate would work a job that doesn't guarantee hours OR pay. That being said, I tip 20% and round up. I'm not cheap enough to stiff anyone out of a dollar.
2013-02-12 03:48:45 PM  
1 vote:
www.raucousrecords.com

I worked in the service industry for years. Stories like this are just preaching to the choir - you're not going to convince anyone that specifically avoids tipping.

My advice to people who don't tip: Yes, you're completely within your legal rights to do so. However, do not EVER go back to the same place again. I guarantee that there will be something in your food or drink that you won't like... and you probably won't be aware of it at all.

/our bartender used to dip his manky, sweaty balls into cheap peoples' beer
//i actually prayed for some people not to tip me
///wouldn't feel guilty then
////and he was the NICE one
//two words: rat poop
2013-02-12 03:48:42 PM  
1 vote:

Madbassist1: thismomentinblackhistory: God damn tipping thread. I love working for a small business, one of the busiest bars in town.

If you don't tip, we usually start slow -- we'll make a comment or stop opening your beer. Three strikes and we either cut you off or kick you out, because we reserve the right to refuse service for any reason. Not tipping? You're a dick. And you can leave.

LOL dont tell the owner or you'll be the one going out the door, asshole.


Not likely. Corporate restaurants have ruined customers expectations. People think they can go wherever they want and act however they want and that nobody will call them out on it. We don't put up with any shiat, and the numbers we put up on a fricking Tuesday are what most in this town would kill for on a Saturday.

If we don't like you, we don't serve you. We don't need 14 frat boys screaming for bud lights and ruining the place just because they have money. They can go be farks somewhere else.
2013-02-12 03:48:20 PM  
1 vote:
 your section is a set of booths and tables - six four-tops, four two-tops, one eight-top - that seat forty-four customers total

Hmmm.  It seems a "four-top" is waiter slang for a table that seats four people.  And so on. So I've got 24 people sitting at "four-tops", 8 people sitting at "two-tops", and 8 people sitting at an "eight-top". Where are the other 4 people sitting? How can I server them if I don't know where they are? Can I still get a tip from them?
2013-02-12 03:45:51 PM  
1 vote:

marleymaniac: yelmrog: Tipping is the price you pay to eat like the nobility used to, to have people wait on you like servants.  Don't like it, don't eat at restaurants.

I pay more for the food and drink going out than making it at home. THAT'S the price I pay. I tip for a server not making it a miserable experience.


You'd pay those inflated prices even if the place you're eating at doesn't have servers (chipotle, Qdoba, Buffet joints, etc).

Seriously.  You want to have servants bring you food and refill your drinks like you're some kind of big shot?  Then act like one and kick down some of that sweet high roller cash to the unwashed masses.
2013-02-12 03:45:01 PM  
1 vote:

thismomentinblackhistory: God damn tipping thread. I love working for a small business, one of the busiest bars in town.

If you don't tip, we usually start slow -- we'll make a comment or stop opening your beer. Three strikes and we either cut you off or kick you out, because we reserve the right to refuse service for any reason. Not tipping? You're a dick. And you can leave.


LOL dont tell the owner or you'll be the one going out the door, asshole.
2013-02-12 03:42:35 PM  
1 vote:

kevinfra: I've hear this before, get a better job, I don't get tips at my job, I shouldn't have to supplement the server's pay...yada yada yada.

But bottom line...

If you get decent service and don't leave a decent tip - you're an asshole.  Period.


Agreed.

If, however, I worked a 60 hour week and am taking my girlfriend out for our first date night in a month, her first night away from the kids in 2 months, and we get shiatty service?  You get no tip.  In fact, if I can hear you talking on the phone, or chatting it up with another waitress at the server's stand about your personal problems, boyfriend problems, health issues, rotten kids, etc. while I wait 20 minutes for a drink, I'm gonna be an asshole about it.

My tipping starting point is 20%.  It drops rapidly if the server is a douchebag.  Zero is totally acceptable in extreme circumstances.
2013-02-12 03:42:24 PM  
1 vote:

stonicus: Vodka Zombie: Trust me.  The server already knows you're better off than they are.  That's why they're waiting on you.  They don't need you to remind them of that.

Just because someone is serving you doesn't mean they are below you or that you are better than they are.  That's a pretty asinine thing to say.  Servers never go out to eat at other restaurants?


That's is certainly not the point I was making.  Strange that you only managed to read the last part of what I wrote when there was a whole lot more.

Did my comment get hacked off or something midway through?

Nope.  It's all there.

That's weird, isn't it?  I mean, really.  I don't know if your computer is faulty or what, but you might want to have it looked at or something if it's only displaying partial comments here.
2013-02-12 03:42:08 PM  
1 vote:
God damn tipping thread. I love working for a small business, one of the busiest bars in town.

If you don't tip, we usually start slow -- we'll make a comment or stop opening your beer. Three strikes and we either cut you off or kick you out, because we reserve the right to refuse service for any reason. Not tipping? You're a dick. And you can leave.
2013-02-12 03:42:00 PM  
1 vote:

NathanAllen:
Why don't we discuss the why the IRS uses 8% on sales volume to determine income?  Naturally you can claim less, but those tend to get flagged for review. For every 3% average above that 8% you get to keep an additional 1% of income as untaxed. This is a substantial unreported income that also is used by the propaganda machine to cry about how little servers make.


It's amazing how few people recognize that this is what goes on.

My wife used to work in a salon. I know how much she made and I know how much the government thinks she made.
2013-02-12 03:38:52 PM  
1 vote:

JesusJuice: I never tip and neither should you.  It just perpetuates a broken system.


Yeah, way to stick it to the Man!!!!!

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2013-02-12 03:38:43 PM  
1 vote:
Keeping it as a tip though allows the servers to keep the money, other than the agreed upon splits to bartender, bus staff, crumber, and Host/Hostess. Once it changes to a mandatory service fee or is built into the prices the business can do whatever it wants with the money, for example pay their managers out of it.This is common in catering, where less than half of the 15% fee is used to provide the pay for staff, normally $10-$15 per hour. The rest goes back into the business.

Anyways, the article is propaganda, it is much less common, except for the "we pretend to not know how to tip" Europeans for people tip less than 10-20% nowadays. Also, don't forget the Server doesn't clear the table as stated in the article; the busboy does that, even at diners.

Why don't we discuss the why the IRS uses 8% on sales volume to determine income?  Naturally you can claim less, but those tend to get flagged for review. For every 3% average above that 8% you get to keep an additional 1% of income as untaxed. This is a substantial unreported income that also is used by the propaganda machine to cry about how little servers make.

At a moderate prices restaurant you should expect to take home $250-$300 per shift for the two peak days and $100-$150 for your off days. Pulling a double means lunch so another $50-$75 per day.

In other words, servers at restaurants with entrees that price about $15 should expect to take home between $600-$700 per week for five eight hour shifts, $15 an hour or about $35,000-$40,000 per year after you add in the tax bonus provided due to cash tips.

If they were making less than minimum wage they'd work at McDonald's and not at a full service restaurant.
2013-02-12 03:36:05 PM  
1 vote:

Dancin_In_Anson: JesusJuice: I never tip and neither should you.

I suggest that you don't visit the same establishment more than once every year or two.


Threats of having your food spit in, extorting money from people for over 50 years.
2013-02-12 03:35:49 PM  
1 vote:

doczoidberg: Tip your server, or don't eat out at a restaurant, you cheap piece of shiat.

Honestly, why is that so hard to understand?


Serve well and get a tip. Why is that so hard to understand. The idea that tipping is mandatory just because I chose your establishment to spend my money at is absurd.
2013-02-12 03:34:58 PM  
1 vote:
They can always pick produce for minimum wage instead of waiting tables for 2.50 an hour
2013-02-12 03:34:38 PM  
1 vote:
It's one thing to leave nothing or a buck or two.  Whatever.

It's a whole different story when the customer feels the need to scribble a pointless little love note whose only purpose is to try and point out that he or she is better off than the lowly server.

Trust me.  The server already knows you're better off than they are.  That's why they're waiting on you.  They don't need you to remind them of that.
2013-02-12 03:33:28 PM  
1 vote:

Bathia_Mapes: fireclown: Before this goes all crazy, has anyone experimented with a restaurant where servers are just paid a decent wage to start with so that tipping wasn't necessary?

That would apply to any restaurant in Oregon. State law requires that all restaurant employees, whether they're working at McDonald's or a sit-down restaurant, to be paid Oregon's minimum wage. Currently that's $8.95 an hour. All tips are on top of that.


which is why i barf in my mouth just a little bit at the sanctimonious attitude thrown about at most eateries here.
add to that the idea that i'm supposed to be GRATEFUL that they chose to serve me at all

& ya, you gotta earn that tip
2013-02-12 03:33:02 PM  
1 vote:

Mikey1969: TheSwissNavy: Only a white person would refer to $9/hour as "slave wages".  Slaves were generally paid a lot less, like, zero.

And it's not so simple that servers t make $2.65 an hour - if their tips don't bring their gross up to minimum wage,they are paid minimum wage. Which isn't much, but when the Democrats had control of Congress with a filibuster-proof Senate, and the Presidency, from July 2010 to January 2012, they didn't bother fixing this. Or anything.

/wanker

No, if 18% of your SALES don't equal minimum wage, you're brought up to minimum wage. There's a difference. You work out of your own drawer, so at the end of the night, after you have turned in your money, what's left is your tips. There is no way for you to prove how much or how little you make, so they take an automatic percentage of your sales and assume that you made that, whether you did or not. If THAT total doesn't make up the difference, then something is done, but if you get stiffed, nothing is done to make it up, no matter what you believe to be true.


Where do you get your 18% number? That's likely just a management thing.

from the DOL
"An employer may pay a tipped employee not less than $2.13 an hour in direct wages if that amount plus the tips received equal at least the federal minimum wage, the employee retains all tips and the employee customarily and regularly receives more than $30 a month in tips. If an employee's tips combined with the employer's direct wages of at least $2.13 an hour do not equal the federal minimum hourly wage, the employer must make up the difference."

Nothing about sales.

If you feel you didn't make the minimum wage per hour, keep a log and document everything. If you really didn't make it, show it to your boss, and report them if you'd like.
hej
2013-02-12 03:32:28 PM  
1 vote:
It's strange, but seeing one story after another about how I need to be tipping servers actually makes me want to do it less.
2013-02-12 03:29:02 PM  
1 vote:
For every waitress out there getting nothing, there's a hot waitress getting 30%+ from desperate guys. Let's be honest here. More often than not, the amount a waitress is tipped is directly proportional to how hot she is.
2013-02-12 03:27:04 PM  
1 vote:

The My Little Pony Killer: lennavan: The My Little Pony Killer: lennavan: It's your first time to this particular restaurant.  You look around, the place is packed.  Heck, it seems as if it has been packed all day.

Stopped reading here.  Tell your wife to stuff it and take her to McDonald's.  You knew going into it your service was going to be lacking.

The very first sentence FTFA:

It's your fourth shift in a row at the restaurant, all doubles because you only make $2.65 an hour and need to pay for rent and heat and electricity, and your section is a set of booths and tables - six four-tops, four two-tops, one eight-top - that seat forty-four customers total, and it's been packed from start to finish

Did you stop reading TFA right there and tell this server to shut it about the tips because she should know her service was lacking?

Explain to me how it's the server's fault that people come to the restaurant in hordes?  Or that you chose to eat at their particular restaurant when you could clearly see that they were hit hard by a rush?


Explain to me how it's the customer's fault that the restaurant gave the waitress more tables than she could handle well enough to give decent service.

Holy fark dude, you're arguing it's the customer's fault they got shiatty service because they ... ate there.
2013-02-12 03:26:33 PM  
1 vote:
Working in the restaurant business is really tough and can be a whole lotta work.


....and if you don't like it then get a farking education or skill and make a living by doing something you won't biatch about.  I did...as did most I know

/Don't complain about something that you can change
2013-02-12 03:24:15 PM  
1 vote:
I think people are missing the bigger issue

Tip or don't tip. If you have a reason not to tip or whatnot, fine.

 BUT DON'T BE AN ASSHOLE ABOUT IT.

 Being an asshole about it is what takes it to the next level. Lots of servers have been stiffed(that's what she said), but they move on. But when you take that as an opportunity to be a asshole, well, you deserve your internet shaming
2013-02-12 03:24:10 PM  
1 vote:
Alternatively, the US could join the rest of the civilized world and pay servers a living wage.

I never tip and neither should you.  It just perpetuates a broken system.
2013-02-12 03:23:12 PM  
1 vote:
And then you start clearing the table of all the plates and side plates and glasses and napkins and silverware, and underneath it all is the check with your tip waiting on the line above the total, except that line is empty, and in the white space on the check to the side of the list of food that was ordered is a hastily-written note telling you that you don't deserve a tip for just doing your job.

Getting stiffed sucks, but I had one that sucked even more... Waiting tables doing a late lunch/early dinner thing in Phx. Friday afternoon, a bunch of lawyers from down the street come in, maybe 12 or 15 people. They stay for an hour and a half or so, everyone eats, has 3 or 4 drinks, pays their bills, and starts putting tip money in the center of the table as they leave. 2 guys remain, set up camp, and proceed to hang at that table for another 2 hours, shooting the shiat, and funding all of their drinks from the tip money in the center. End of story, a dozen people, 4 hours of my time, $150 or so of sales(That I get taxed on, regardless of whether or not I make any money), and I get about $4. Watching some cheap asshole using your income to buy himself drinks when you know he has the money to buy his own farking drinks? Beats getting stiffed any day, because you can't do a goddam thing about it.
2013-02-12 03:22:56 PM  
1 vote:

feickus: Ok guys got a quetion about tipping.  At Chinese buffets do you leave a tip?  I tend to leave one but not as much as I would if I was going to TGIFridays or some place like that.


If you are refilling your own drink and clearing your own table. No tip.

If they complain, tell them Tipping is not a city in China.
2013-02-12 03:20:35 PM  
1 vote:

lennavan: The My Little Pony Killer: lennavan: It's your first time to this particular restaurant.  You look around, the place is packed.  Heck, it seems as if it has been packed all day.

Stopped reading here.  Tell your wife to stuff it and take her to McDonald's.  You knew going into it your service was going to be lacking.

The very first sentence FTFA:

It's your fourth shift in a row at the restaurant, all doubles because you only make $2.65 an hour and need to pay for rent and heat and electricity, and your section is a set of booths and tables - six four-tops, four two-tops, one eight-top - that seat forty-four customers total, and it's been packed from start to finish

Did you stop reading TFA right there and tell this server to shut it about the tips because she should know her service was lacking?


Explain to me how it's the server's fault that people come to the restaurant in hordes?  Or that you chose to eat at their particular restaurant when you could clearly see that they were hit hard by a rush?
2013-02-12 03:19:49 PM  
1 vote:
C).. dont be such a farking farktard and go work somewhere else
2013-02-12 03:18:38 PM  
1 vote:

udhq: It offends me the number of servers I know who make more money than the teachers I know.  And yet few people complain about their jobs more than servers.

That is all.


This is true also.

My oldest sister worked at Outback for years, and never had trouble making money even after tipping out.
2013-02-12 03:17:44 PM  
1 vote:
4.bp.blogspot.com

/flame on
2013-02-12 03:15:52 PM  
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kidgenius: MmmCrime: Look at the hourly pay rate on a pay stub for most servers. You'll then understand why you're wrong.

Their rate, including tips, must be >=$7.25 an hour.  This is federal law.  Some states are higher.


That is the rate at which they are taxed at if they're assumed to have made more than $30 in a month. Which means you can work the entire month, make $50 on top of the $424 you would bring in in wages, and then you're taxed as if you're making $7.25 an hr, or $1160 a month

kidgenius may be your name, but call someone you know who is a server and have them explain it to you.
2013-02-12 03:13:17 PM  
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dv-ous: stonicus: FTFA: It's your fourth shift in a row at the restaurant, all doubles because you only make $2.65 an hour...

Stopped reading here, because that is just straight up not true.

It depends on the state, you nitwit.


Well tell us, which state is it?   IMO the guy writing the article must be stuck in 1980.
2013-02-12 03:12:29 PM  
1 vote:
ITT:

meatballcandy.com
2013-02-12 03:11:36 PM  
1 vote:
Quit your biatching and tip your waitron...even if he or she sucks, give him or her 15%. If he or she rocks your table, give 20%

Either that or make your own goddamn supper.
2013-02-12 03:10:41 PM  
1 vote:

yelmrog: Tipping is the price you pay to eat like the nobility used to, to have people wait on you like servants.  Don't like it, don't eat at restaurants.


I pay more for the food and drink going out than making it at home. THAT'S the price I pay. I tip for a server not making it a miserable experience.
2013-02-12 03:10:02 PM  
1 vote:

dv-ous: kidgenius: dv-ous: stonicus: FTFA: It's your fourth shift in a row at the restaurant, all doubles because you only make $2.65 an hour...

Stopped reading here, because that is just straight up not true.

It depends on the state, you nitwit.

No it doesn't.  It's a matter of federal law. It's not allowed.

http://www.minimum-wage.org/michigan-tipped-employee-minimum-wage

They get a base pay of $2.65/hour. They get bumped up to $7.40 as a minimum if tips don't make up the difference.

$2.65/hour + tips.


Exactly.  At a minimum you are guaranteed a minimum of $7.XX or whatever the going federal rate is.  Some states are higher.
2013-02-12 03:09:24 PM  
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ModernLuddite: Sweetheart, I'm sorry that all those tips from lonely old men you made when you were 18 dried up now that you're 24 and the other waitress is 18, and you thought you could wear a tight shirt and make rent by the first Saturday of the month. I really am. But have you thought about GETTING A JOB DOING LITERALLY ANYTHING ELSE?


Well to be fair the strip clubs don't want them anymore either after the stretch marks and caesarian scars.
2013-02-12 03:09:21 PM  
1 vote:

Englebert Slaptyback: You pause, you pause, you breathe, you stow the panic about the rent and the bills that is in your throat like acid, you breathe, and then you


...try to figure out where the hell you went wrong in your life to end up in such an untenable position so you can fix whatever the hell it is so you can have a real job where you don't need to worry about making rent.


PS Hero tag? Really?


What, would you rather them NOT work at all so you can biatch and complain about them having to be on Welfare/unemployment? I've done this sort of work before and the article is VERY accurate!
2013-02-12 03:08:47 PM  
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kidgenius: dv-ous: stonicus: FTFA: It's your fourth shift in a row at the restaurant, all doubles because you only make $2.65 an hour...

Stopped reading here, because that is just straight up not true.

It depends on the state, you nitwit.

No it doesn't.  It's a matter of federal law. It's not allowed.


http://www.minimum-wage.org/michigan-tipped-employee-minimum-wage

They get a base pay of $2.65/hour. They get bumped up to $7.40 as a minimum if tips don't make up the difference.

$2.65/hour + tips.
2013-02-12 03:08:21 PM  
1 vote:
Waited tables for two years starting in '76 when there were no decent jobs during that round of recession. Sure, it sucked at times, but no more so than any job. Get stiffed on a table? No worse than finding out that you severely underbid this redesign and you are going to have to eat most of it.

But I guess I had it good because I worked with other recent college grads who also couldn't find jobs in their fields, and we were in a resort town. It was a fun crowd because no one took it all that seriously. Paid in cash, get off at 11 which was prime party time, meet up with other waits at various clubs and bars where we could laugh about our clueless tables and check out the tourist jailbait who were looking for a little fun. Spend the day hanging out and report for duty at 4, starting the party circuit all over again.

I imagine if I had had to work in some crossroads burgh, I wouldn't remember it so fondly. And I also knew I'd only be doing it until the economy picked up. But as crap jobs go, it was certainly not the worst I ever had. I do tip well, 20% at minimum, because it IS a crap job. On the other hand, if I get a server with a shiatty attitude, I don't mind leaving them 10%.
2013-02-12 03:08:05 PM  
1 vote:
If only there were other jobs out there that paid more and were easier physically. But nope, poor servants can only do servants' work.
2013-02-12 03:07:56 PM  
1 vote:
I tip well. I see it as a karma thing, and even if the waiter/waitress sucks, I tip 15%

That said, I don't think the point is not tipping. The thing is the BS of making a point of not tipping. Don't tip your server? Fine, that is an option. But then don't rub it in or use it as an opportunity to make a point. Like the tract BS. Your not going to convert anyone with your phony tip bs.

If I was a waiter, I would write down info like credit cards #s and whatnot. Give me a religious track, I post your CC info on irc.
2013-02-12 03:07:48 PM  
1 vote:

Smeggy Smurf: macdaddy357: Paying anyone less than minimum wage needs to be outlawed.

Lets start with our military.  It's not nice to be shiatty to the guys with the big guns


When I was in the military ('85-'94) I averaged out the number of hours I worked and figured out that I was being paid ~53 cents/hr including benefits.
2013-02-12 03:07:32 PM  
1 vote:

Treygreen13: I tip, and I tip well.

But goddamnit I don't need a reminder about how much your job sucks.


Then don't read it, because it's not aimed at you. It IS aimed at the other people who think that a server can live on 5% tips. If you tip well, then you are doing your fellow man a service, and don't need to take this story personally.
2013-02-12 03:07:23 PM  
1 vote:

Marley'sGirl: If waiting tables is so bad, why do people do it?  I spent my college years working at a sub shop.  I still had to deal with customers, but I got paid over $10 an hour and was out of there by 10pm every night.  I have always assumed that the 'good' nights made the pay average out to more and that's why someone would choose to wait tables, but every single article I read says they are basically slaves who do nothing but selflessly serve their employers and customers for minimum wage.


Because, as this article demonstrates, it may not be better than any other low wage unskilled labor job but it also isn't any worse.
2013-02-12 03:06:26 PM  
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kidgenius: First, doesn't matter a table of 8 didn't leave a tip.  Gratuity is almost always enforced on tables of 6 or 8.  Second, most restaurants have "bussers" that clear the tables, not waiters...


That get paid out by servers
2013-02-12 03:05:29 PM  
1 vote:
Tipping is the price you pay to eat like the nobility used to, to have people wait on you like servants.  Don't like it, don't eat at restaurants.
2013-02-12 03:05:22 PM  
1 vote:

Kanemano: No one thinks about the dishwasher, he there before the servers show up and he's there when they leave, he makes no tips, but he still has to pay rent, gets truly minimum wage with nothing extra except a sandwich at the end of the night.

where is his essay?


He's too busy actually working to write one...
2013-02-12 03:05:21 PM  
1 vote:

stonicus: FTFA: It's your fourth shift in a row at the restaurant, all doubles because you only make $2.65 an hour...

Stopped reading here, because that is just straight up not true.


It depends on the state, you nitwit.
2013-02-12 03:04:28 PM  
1 vote:

stonicus: FTFA: It's your fourth shift in a row at the restaurant, all doubles because you only make $2.65 an hour...

Stopped reading here, because that is just straight up not true.


It is sort of true.  Sort of.

That's what you make per hour.  Then tips are added on top.  Then your hourly wage is calculated based on your wage + tips and if that is less than the federal minimum of $7.XX/hr, your employer is required to make up the diff.
2013-02-12 03:03:42 PM  
1 vote:

Litig8r: If being a waitress is such a lousy job, why do so many people do it?  And why have so many people done it over the years -- regardless of the economy which, I admit, is crap right now.


Because the world needs ditch diggers too.
2013-02-12 03:03:26 PM  
1 vote:
If you want better wages learn a skill; unskilled labor will never pay anything but shiat.
2013-02-12 03:01:00 PM  
1 vote:
Fark that noise. Oregon pays its servers minimum wage, which is almost $9/hr.

I will tip based on the experience. 90% of it is the servers attitude and attentiveness. I work hard for my money, so should they. I have been a server, and it sucks, but it is not hard to let the person you are serving feel like you care that they enjoy themselves.
2013-02-12 03:00:41 PM  
1 vote:

Kanemano: No one thinks about the dishwasher, he there before the servers show up and he's there when they leave, he makes no tips, but he still has to pay rent, gets truly minimum wage with nothing extra except a sandwich at the end of the night.

where is his essay?


At the college getting an education like he should have done.
2013-02-12 02:58:01 PM  
1 vote:

macdaddy357: Paying anyone less than minimum wage needs to be outlawed.


Lets start with our military.  It's not nice to be shiatty to the guys with the big guns
2013-02-12 02:57:38 PM  
1 vote:
Want to help the workers? The economy? The whole country?

Make it illegal to pay anyone under the minimum wage perhaps? Or will servers start complaining when they no longer bring home after a good day the equivalent of what other people in entry service/retail  positions make in a week.
2013-02-12 02:55:08 PM  
1 vote:

Ecobuckeye: This story is an obvious fake.

A boozehound orders no olives. Those things take up space.


If you substitute them for dinner it works.
2013-02-12 02:47:51 PM  
1 vote:

fireclown: Before this goes all crazy, has anyone experimented with a restaurant where servers are just paid a decent wage to start with so that tipping wasn't necessary?


It's called McDonalds
 
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