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2013-02-12 10:19:07 PM

Smeggy Smurf: fireclown: Before this goes all crazy, has anyone experimented with a restaurant where servers are just paid a decent wage to start with so that tipping wasn't necessary?

It's called McDonalds


No, it's called France.
 
2013-02-12 10:20:11 PM

Gough: If we assume that FARKers are a representative cross-section of the US population*, working as a waitperson must suck badly.  What a bunch of cheap bastages.

*A sobering and scary assumption.


They aren't.  These same people talking tough on the interwebs are the same people that ensure to leave at LEAST $5 if not 15% when they go out to eat.

It's just fun to talk tough without having to actually face the consequences of your own words.

What I find funny is that so many people say "get a real job," yet I've seen very few people who can actually perform a server/bartender job well.  By well I mean prompt and friendly service, even under duress.  Then again, I believe that the tip isn't just about delivering food/drinks but also about awareness of what your guest requires.  Privacy, entertainment, someone to talk to, etc.
My golden rule (I work at an Irish pub now so that's not as big of a deal now) is to win over kids.  Keep someone's kids quiet and entertained and the parents will be forever grateful.
 
2013-02-12 10:23:36 PM

mafiageek1980: Smelly Pirate Hooker: If these threads (and real life) weren't full of assholes telling servers to get a better job, or telling all of us how much their job sucks by comparison so everybody should just put up with whatever shiat their employer decides to dish out, I might be inclined to tell the servers to suck it up.

But there are assholes everywhere, assholing all over everything, so I'm on the side of the servers.

I guess for most people, making unreasonable demands in a restaurant is the only bit of real power they'll ever have. Maybe we should feel sorry for them that the only way they can feel important is to heap abuse on the lowly restaurant workers.

THIS! THIS! THIS!!!

and again, as I stated earlier: Would you rather them be job searching for something better/NOT WORKING while being on welfare at the same time instead of working? Because in THAT case you would be dissing them for mooching off the government!!! People do what they can to survive and you don't always know the reasons WHY people choose to be servers. But at LEAST they are working to make a living. So when you go out and the service is good, TIP THEM! If you cant afford to tip, don't eat out.



Or go eat at IHOP.  The only time I ever stiffed someone was at ihop.  Girl got our unsweet teas.  They tasted like coffee grinds.  Took our order and we asked for waters.  She said sure, then never got them to us as she got "busy" (read: 4 tables total in about 30 minutes).  The manager finally brought our food out and got us waters.  The server apologized saying she had gotten busy, dropped the check off, and we never saw her again.  Even then, I had trouble not leaving a couple of dollars because maybe she had a bad day....fortunately my brother was the voice of reason in stating that by tipping bad service I was encouraging perpetual bad service.
 
2013-02-12 10:23:41 PM
"twenty different people in your last two shifts have sent their meal back because the cook is new and in the weeds and can't handle the volume and keeps screwing up the orders, and that's not your fault, but the customers take it out on you because you're there."

It is your fault, you took the order and you should NEVER deliver an order that is wrong! It doesn't matter that the cook screwed it up, you should have told the cook that it was wrong and asked him/her to do it again! I have been a waitress so I do know what they go through.
 
2013-02-12 10:27:01 PM
I dont know if I should go refill that guy's glass he looks like he doesn't have much money.

www.sheehanmiles.com
 
2013-02-12 10:28:00 PM
If only jobs existed where I didnt have to rely on handouts...


www.bodybuilding.com
 
2013-02-12 10:29:34 PM
My goodness this image hunting has been a blast.

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2013-02-12 10:30:09 PM

D_Evans45: al's hat: I'm betting you worked at a restaurant for 3 months and found that your pissy attitude got you poor tips.  If you think that the majority of wait staff are whiny and aren't working "real" jobs then please remove yourself from the equation.  I'd honestly prefer to not be seated next to an arrogant arsehole while having dinner served to me by someone who is providing me a service.


No I left for a real job because I realized minimum wage doesn't cut it. I know plenty of great servers whom I would never slander, Im merely addressing the whiny types. And sadly on Fark, there happen to be plenty. And they are fun to piss off.


A. it sounds like you completely missed the point of this article/thread, and B. I'm glad your real job leaves you time to be mean to people.

I think I'm going to tip double next time I go out, just because of you. Who's with me?
 
2013-02-12 10:33:12 PM

ladyfortuna: A. it sounds like you completely missed the point of this article/thread, and B. I'm glad your real job leaves you time to be mean to people.

I think I'm going to tip double next time I go out, just because of you. Who's with me?



I didnt read the article or the thread, I came in here to try and piss off some indignant whiners. And it appears to have worked.

Just because of your post, Im not going to tip for the next month. And I eat out A LOT.
 
2013-02-12 10:35:53 PM

D_Evans45: ladyfortuna: A. it sounds like you completely missed the point of this article/thread, and B. I'm glad your real job leaves you time to be mean to people.

I think I'm going to tip double next time I go out, just because of you. Who's with me?


I didnt read the article or the thread, I came in here to try and piss off some indignant whiners. And it appears to have worked.

Just because of your post, Im not going to tip for the next month. And I eat out A LOT.


I'll do one better:

I hereby declare March to be "Dine and Dash" month.
 
2013-02-12 10:37:35 PM
Im not saying this doesnt happen, Im not saying that waiters dont ever get unpaid, Im not saying you shouldnt tip. BUT this is quite the work of fiction here. Most waiters Ive seen recently dont bus their own tables, half of the time these days they dont even bring the food out when its ready. they take your order check on you after your food comes out, and then bring you the check when youre done. again, not saying they dont deserve a tip... but its not nearly as hellish as this article makes it sound.
 
2013-02-12 10:40:37 PM

feickus: Ok guys got a quetion about tipping.  At Chinese buffets do you leave a tip?  I tend to leave one but not as much as I would if I was going to TGIFridays or some place like that.


Yes (Indian buffet).  .  I usually tip 15% for buffet and 20% for waiter service. The waiter/busboy is making sure the buffet stays clean and stocked,   takes away my plates, fills my water and brings the coffee. Besides, buffets are generally inexpensive ($10-15) so that's only  $1.50 - $2.25 tip.
 
2013-02-12 10:41:37 PM

D_Evans45: ladyfortuna: A. it sounds like you completely missed the point of this article/thread, and B. I'm glad your real job leaves you time to be mean to people.

I think I'm going to tip double next time I go out, just because of you. Who's with me?


I didnt read the article or the thread, I came in here to try and piss off some indignant whiners. And it appears to have worked.

Just because of your post, Im not going to tip for the next month. And I eat out A LOT.


I am Jack's total lack of surprise.
 
2013-02-12 10:43:01 PM
on a great night, servers at our restaurant can bring in over 250 on a 10-12 hour shift. on a slow lunch it'll be $35. what should we set their hourly wage? if i posted a sign that said servers make "$10/hour; please tip accordingly" what do you think would happen to tips? that they'd go up? or that they'd go away.

then you have servers working at $10/hour while operating costs have now quadrupled for a large chunk of my staff, and then they're stuck for the most part at $10/hour when they could be making more.

if i have 2 servers both working, and one is bussing faster, working harder, and upselling more, their sales are much higher and they make a lot more money than one who's slow and unmotivated to upsell or provide good service. if they both make a set wage, why should one work harder?
 
2013-02-12 10:43:18 PM

WhippingBoy: I hereby declare March to be "Dine and Dash" month.



Ah, the good old dine and dash. Do you think the wait staff is amused by the spectacle, or butthurt by their lack of $3?

/When I dine and dash next month, Ill be sure to leave a $5
 
2013-02-12 10:49:19 PM

BenJammin: feickus: Ok guys got a quetion about tipping.  At Chinese buffets do you leave a tip?  I tend to leave one but not as much as I would if I was going to TGIFridays or some place like that.

Yes (Indian buffet).  .  I usually tip 15% for buffet and 20% for waiter service. The waiter/busboy is making sure the buffet stays clean and stocked,   takes away my plates, fills my water and brings the coffee. Besides, buffets are generally inexpensive ($10-15) so that's only  $1.50 - $2.25 tip.


I'm definitely not a cheap tipper (I usually overtip), but I think 15% for a buffet is too much.  I'd like to hear other people weigh in on this, though.
 
2013-02-12 10:56:34 PM

Sweaty Dynamite: lennavan: It's your first time to this particular restaurant.  You look around, the place is packed.  Heck, it seems as if it has been packed all day.  But you're hungry, your wife doesn't want to drive around and you heard this place has good food so you walk up to where the hostess is supposed to be to put your name in.  But she's not there.  So you stand around and wait until she finally comes back.  After glancing at her list of names, she tells you 15-20 minutes.  Really she knows it will be more like 45 minutes but she doesn't want customers to leave so she fudges the numbers.

You look around, there's just a single bench for seating in the waiting area and it's occupied.  Some people are packed in like sardines in the inside waiting area but most people are waiting outside in the cold, so you follow suit.  After 30 minutes you ask the hostess how much longer.  She says any minute now.  Another 15 minutes go by waiting, standing outside in the cold.  Your feet hurt and you're cold but your name gets called so you go get seated.

You sit at your table with your wife and wait.  It takes your waitress 15 minutes before she bothers to come by and introduce herself.  Your waitress has 42 other people to take care of, a full load.  You're just 5% of her work load and boy does she ever treat you like it.  She says "Hi, my name is, and I'll be your server, can I get you some drinks?"   Well you order your drinks but it's another 10 minutes before she bothers to bring them out.  When you do get your drinks, they should have come with a warning - drink slowly.  There's no chance she'll notice your drink is empty and when you ask for a refill, that's another 10 minute wait.  Somewhere around 20 minutes after you sat down the waitress asks if you're ready to order.  Yeah, we were ready 15 minutes ago, where were you?  When the food comes, it's terrible.  Turns out the cook is new and keeps screwing up orders.  The waitress knows it.  You asked specifically for no nuts bec ...


My wife does not get that when the waiter comes - you order.  When they ask "Do you need another minute to decide?" - that's a trick question.  You don't let them escape - you order drinks, and hopefully dinner at the same time.
 
2013-02-12 10:58:17 PM

OgreMagi: BenJammin: feickus: Ok guys got a quetion about tipping.  At Chinese buffets do you leave a tip?  I tend to leave one but not as much as I would if I was going to TGIFridays or some place like that.

Yes (Indian buffet).  .  I usually tip 15% for buffet and 20% for waiter service. The waiter/busboy is making sure the buffet stays clean and stocked,   takes away my plates, fills my water and brings the coffee. Besides, buffets are generally inexpensive ($10-15) so that's only  $1.50 - $2.25 tip.

I'm definitely not a cheap tipper (I usually overtip), but I think 15% for a buffet is too much.  I'd like to hear other people weigh in on this, though.


I am not sure I've ever eaten at a buffet where there was enough service to even consider it, other than taking plates away. Possibly Ponderosa waaaay back in the day, but I was young enough I don't really recall much about it. Every other place (that I've been to), you've served yourself all aspects of the meal and I've never seen anyone tip. Then again I try to avoid buffets in general since I basically don't eat more than a plate's worth so I don't really see the point.
 
2013-02-12 11:00:53 PM

OgreMagi: BenJammin: feickus: Ok guys got a quetion about tipping.  At Chinese buffets do you leave a tip?  I tend to leave one but not as much as I would if I was going to TGIFridays or some place like that.

Yes (Indian buffet).  .  I usually tip 15% for buffet and 20% for waiter service. The waiter/busboy is making sure the buffet stays clean and stocked,   takes away my plates, fills my water and brings the coffee. Besides, buffets are generally inexpensive ($10-15) so that's only  $1.50 - $2.25 tip.

I'm definitely not a cheap tipper (I usually overtip), but I think 15% for a buffet is too much.  I'd like to hear other people weigh in on this, though.


Tipping a percentage at a buffet is BS.  You tip five bucks or so into the jar at the counter where you pay.

On a totally unrelated matter, I have decided I'd like to get the DirectTV Genie.  She's totally hot, and apparently only $29.99 (at least for the initial 6 months).
 
2013-02-12 11:02:35 PM

LadySusan: Here's my CSB:

I'm a starving college student and it's my first wait job. A family with small kids comes in. They order big pizzas and drinks so it's a big order. I'm in the middle of BFE so large orders are not the norm. True, the kids spill their drinks so I have to cheerfully bus and reset the table and they leave a ring of trash around the trash covered table but when they leave I am so excited to finally be getting a nice, big, juicy tip. The restaurant is empty so I rip through the crumpled napkins and there is NO TIP!!! Those bastards.

Soon thereafter I start studying who tips and who doesn't. Families and church people...you go over into that other section where the new server is. Rich ladies at lunch who don't seem to have ever worked...oh hell no. I'm not even going to bother. It's my job. If necessary I'll give you some service with a very, very small s. It's a job and I'm a pro. Regulars who always tip? Anyone who looks blue collar or like an ex-server? Bikers? Hell yes, you sit right down and get some great service. Your order goes in first. Your drinks come out first. I'm waiting for your food and delivering it first.

Well, unless you're a dick. Giving a tip doesn't let you be a dick.

End CSB.


I agree on church people- I grew up in a conservative area and Pentecostal groups would go to eat after church, in groups of 10 or more. They really thought that leaving $1 total for all of them was a reasonable tip.
 
2013-02-12 11:13:36 PM

D_Evans45: al's hat: I'm betting you worked at a restaurant for 3 months and found that your pissy attitude got you poor tips.  If you think that the majority of wait staff are whiny and aren't working "real" jobs then please remove yourself from the equation.  I'd honestly prefer to not be seated next to an arrogant arsehole while having dinner served to me by someone who is providing me a service.


No I left for a real job because I realized minimum wage doesn't cut it. I know plenty of great servers whom I would never slander, Im merely addressing the whiny types. And sadly on Fark, there happen to be plenty. And they are fun to piss off.


All good.  My apologies for being dickish.  This thread has way too many people who appear to think they are better than the people who have jobs where they serve others.  I enjoy pissing people off at times too...especially whiny people.    ;)
 
2013-02-12 11:16:03 PM

spickus: al's hat: I get paid appropriately

al's hat: those who don't get paid appropriately.

It's almost as if the waitstaff should be paid appropriately and not have to rely on the generosity of strangers.

al's hat: your porn is available at your whim.

Truly God's work and the midget tranny porn isn't mine...... the router is open,


I just don't think that it's right to dick the servers because you don't care for how they get paid when they're already getting dicked.  If you want to key the restaurant owner's Porsche, I'm okay with that...
 
2013-02-12 11:18:23 PM
i don't bother going to restaurants

mostly so i don't have to tip some dumbass to bring me the food.

i'd rather go to a place where i line up and take it away than wait on some idiot to bring me everything.
 
2013-02-12 11:23:42 PM
Anywhere in the world my minimum tip is the cost of a beer, no matter the cost of my service.  In America, Mexico and Canada it is 25+%, 15% on the card and ~10+% stashed cash, no coins.  If you are a repeater, you will be remembered and you will get served well, and not only by the particular wait staffer, everyone they are close to in the place will note you it seems.

I don't go out to a service place to save money.  I go for the food and service.  You don't know if your staffer is the owner, owner's family or someone just getting back on their feet.  I have never not tipped except a couple of times the manager insisted on comping the meal and I tried then because it was not the staff's fault.  If you want too save $$$ go to the G-Store and light a fire.

Another tip (pardon the pun), if you want good room service (beds made fresh, new towels, TV controller wiped off, no hair, etc) you tip every day.  This takes care of staff schedule changes and they get to know you in general.  It can make a big difference, everything is always shipshape.
 
2013-02-12 11:34:29 PM

Ecobuckeye: This story is an obvious fake.

A boozehound orders no olives. Those things take up space.


And you sure as hell don't get them in a gin and tonic.
 
2013-02-12 11:39:52 PM

worthlessjuan: If you are a repeater, you will be remembered and you will get served well, and not only by the particular wait staffer, everyone they are close to in the place will note you it seems.


This is why i tip well when I can.  Partially it's payment for the service this time, partially is the service for next time.  Enough staff see assholes all of the time they can earn that grumpy prejudice thing going on, and it can form a self sustaining cycle.

I also don't go out of my way to be nice.  Sure, I use manners and don't make them work harder than needed(I do feel bad if I forget to ask for another drink or mayo or whatever after they've already just made a run..).

If I do socialize, it's usually in a joking manner that will actually create a smile.  Compliments can be reassuring, but nothing makes people feel better than a good chuckle or belly laugh.

I don't go out much anymore, a couple times a year.  When I did though I could still space it out once a month or two months, and still be remembered if it's the same staff.

Or maybe that's just clever staff gaming me, making me feel like they know me.  I've caught one or two in the act before, oddly enough that can improve service above and beyond right quick as well, either way it's a win win.
 
2013-02-12 11:39:54 PM

Dome: on a great night, servers at our restaurant can bring in over 250 on a 10-12 hour shift. on a slow lunch it'll be $35. what should we set their hourly wage? if i posted a sign that said servers make "$10/hour; please tip accordingly" what do you think would happen to tips? that they'd go up? or that they'd go away.

then you have servers working at $10/hour while operating costs have now quadrupled for a large chunk of my staff, and then they're stuck for the most part at $10/hour when they could be making more.

if i have 2 servers both working, and one is bussing faster, working harder, and upselling more, their sales are much higher and they make a lot more money than one who's slow and unmotivated to upsell or provide good service. if they both make a set wage, why should one work harder?


This is a joke.  Most people in this country work for an hourly wage or salary.  Why should they put in any effort? Probably to keep their jobs in a tough economy, and to move up the ranks and make more money.  Why is it perfectly reasonable to pay virtually everyone else a wage but waitstaff can't handle it and have to hussle for tips?

If you have waitstaff that are working harder they can be rewarded with more hours, higher wages, promotions, bonuses and the like.  Plenty of countries do this and it works fine, as a customer I have always preferred travelling in countries where I don't have to worry about tipping, which is virtually everywhere I've gone.
 
2013-02-12 11:41:18 PM
Tipping articles and threads create a desire not to to go to restaurants at all. The articles and comments say that the servers and their employers don't deserve business.  It has become an asinine system where people have grown a sense of entitlement which is best dealt with by having tables empty until they can sort it all out.
 
2013-02-12 11:45:33 PM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: PooperMcSlides: Absolutely I have, it got me through school and I hated it because you have to put up with a lot of crap which is why for good service (not even great), I tip 20%. I get it, it can suck but like so many people have pointed out, there are lots of other difficult low paying jobs that don't provide tips.

Twenty percent has been the normal, expected tip for a while now. Going to have to up it to 30% for good service.


See, the funny thing about percentages is they don't need to rise along with inflation.
 
2013-02-12 11:53:23 PM
Learn to farking type.

/been there done that
//we tip very well
 
2013-02-13 12:23:29 AM

browntimmy: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: PooperMcSlides: Absolutely I have, it got me through school and I hated it because you have to put up with a lot of crap which is why for good service (not even great), I tip 20%. I get it, it can suck but like so many people have pointed out, there are lots of other difficult low paying jobs that don't provide tips.

Twenty percent has been the normal, expected tip for a while now. Going to have to up it to 30% for good service.

See, the funny thing about percentages is they don't need to rise along with inflation.


---------------

For that matter, why does tipping have to be based on the cost of the food?

Does a server at a $500 a plate restaurant deserve a $100 tip more than a server at a TGI Fridays getting a $5.00 tip on a $20 meal, when both do pretty much the exact same work?

Or better yet, does a bartender who sells you that $2,000 bottle of Dom Perignon deserve a $500 tip vs. that same bartender selling you a $20 bottle of bottom of the shelf Cabernet?

I've always felt that tipping based on the cost of the food is unrealistic.  Just because a server is working at a TGI Fridays and you order $20 worth of food, they should get more than a $5 tip - by the same token, I *don't* feel that a $100 tip on a $500 hamburger is reasonable. I usually tip EITHER 20% or $10/hour, whichever one winds up being more (usually it's the 20%, unless I'm by myself). I'm not in too much danger of going to a $500/plate restaurant either, though.

But I would be interested in hearing from servers that DO work in those really expensive, upscale restaurants - do they STILL get 20% tips on a $500/plate meal? Somehow I doubt it.
 
2013-02-13 12:32:35 AM

WhippingBoy: Mitch Taylor's Bro: And for someone without a college education, her time spent working in upscale restaurants earned her a pretty good income--much of it untaxed--when the economy was booming.

So she's effectively stealing, and I'm supposed to give her *more* money?

I don't get tips and I pay tax on every cent I make. Where's my parade?


As soon as your pity party ends or you learn how to read. So, probably never.
 
2013-02-13 12:37:15 AM
I'd be terrible at waiting tables.  I'm too big an asshole and wouldn't get through the first shift.  "That's disgusting, why would you want to eat that?"  "No, you can't have fries with that."  "Dude, you're fat enough already put down the fork."  "Seriously, you expect your silverware to be spotless?"  "You have to eat your meat before you can have any pudding; how can you have any pudding if you don't eat yer meat?"
 
2013-02-13 12:44:02 AM

biktop: Afterwards he got very flustered when we tried to leave a tip (very measly by American standards) and kept thanking us as were walking out of the door. Those damn French...
 </CSB>



So you're saying he surrendered?
 
2013-02-13 12:47:51 AM

Southern100: browntimmy: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: PooperMcSlides: Absolutely I have, it got me through school and I hated it because you have to put up with a lot of crap which is why for good service (not even great), I tip 20%. I get it, it can suck but like so many people have pointed out, there are lots of other difficult low paying jobs that don't provide tips.

Twenty percent has been the normal, expected tip for a while now. Going to have to up it to 30% for good service.

See, the funny thing about percentages is they don't need to rise along with inflation.

---------------

For that matter, why does tipping have to be based on the cost of the food?

Does a server at a $500 a plate restaurant deserve a $100 tip more than a server at a TGI Fridays getting a $5.00 tip on a $20 meal, when both do pretty much the exact same work?

Or better yet, does a bartender who sells you that $2,000 bottle of Dom Perignon deserve a $500 tip vs. that same bartender selling you a $20 bottle of bottom of the shelf Cabernet?

I've always felt that tipping based on the cost of the food is unrealistic.  Just because a server is working at a TGI Fridays and you order $20 worth of food, they should get more than a $5 tip - by the same token, I *don't* feel that a $100 tip on a $500 hamburger is reasonable. I usually tip EITHER 20% or $10/hour, whichever one winds up being more (usually it's the 20%, unless I'm by myself). I'm not in too much danger of going to a $500/plate restaurant either, though.

But I would be interested in hearing from servers that DO work in those really expensive, upscale restaurants - do they STILL get 20% tips on a $500/plate meal? Somehow I doubt it.


The servers at a very high end restaurants are pretty much guaranteed to be much more focused on making your visit as perfect as possible, otherwise they get replaced.  They aren't the ones who are out back smoking a cig and on their phone while your food is waiting to be delivered and your glasses need refills.  I went to a Ruth's Chris Steak House once and the waiter's service was perfect.  There's a world of difference between someone there, at a TGIFriday's, and a burger flipper behind the counter at a fast food place.  I tipped him 20% on a $200 bill and felt he deserved it.  I've tipped between 5% and 25% at Fridays and similar types of restaurants based on the service I've received.  5% shows I acknowledge you served me and live off of tips but your service sucked.  20% and more shows that you are more than minimally competent and gave good service.  50% was for the Denny's waitress who was extremely kind and patient towards the Down's Syndrome member of our party of 8.
 
2013-02-13 12:52:44 AM
Tip your server, because this is what it's like to be oneWaaahmbulance rides are costly.
 
2013-02-13 01:22:47 AM
One time I left my tip in pennies that I had flattened on the railroad tracks. Ah, to be in seventh graded again.
 
2013-02-13 01:34:20 AM

SpaceBison: Ah, to be in seventh graded again.


So you're not in the seventh graded now?  Fooled me!

/don't mean nothing by it, just joking around
//happens to the best of us
///and me too
 
2013-02-13 01:56:17 AM

Ecobuckeye: This story is an obvious fake.

A boozehound orders no olives. Those things take up space.




In any bar I've ever been to or worked in the alcohol goes in first. Some places free-pour, some use jiggers, but dropping an olive (or 3) into a drink does not lessen the amount of alcohol in it. Unless you get a bartender that pours too much alcohol for a martini and has left-over that he pours down the drain, the olives aren't displacing anything. But you are right in the extreme case, say if someone were to order with 5 or more olives it might make a martini filled nearly to the rim slosh over a bit.

I guess if you order a "glass full of olives with an octuple shot ot vodka" you might get shorted some alcohol, but that would be stupid (as would you).

If the thought of being shorted alcohol disturbs you and you really want olives: You can always ask for olives on the side.
 
2013-02-13 02:30:05 AM

davynelson: i don't bother going to restaurants

mostly so i don't have to tip some dumbass to bring me the food.

i'd rather go to a place where i line up and take it away than wait on some idiot to bring me everything.


You sound like a classy guy. I'm unsure if by "line up and take it away" you mean you frequent fast-food joints or buffets. Either way, I wished you had put your picture in your profile; seeing you 400-pound ass would have made me laugh.
 
2013-02-13 02:52:48 AM
I hate being forced to tip, because I have to know how little these people make for the hard work that they do.

Why the hell don't they just get paid minimum wage, and let me tip them when I feel damn well like tipping them rather than forcing me to pay them a percentage of my total meal.

I don't even like how uneven it is, because waiters at expensive restaurants may make 60k-100k, simply due to the percentage and patronage, while waiters at cheap food chains and mom and pop places barely scrimp by, even if they give much better service.
 
2013-02-13 03:18:48 AM
I was a waiter.

I worked 4 days per week, about 6 hours per shift. A work day consisted of waking up around 11:30am, riding my bike across the golden gate bridge into the marin headlands for a few hours. Get home, shower, shave, ride to work. This place had a locker room so I could actually clean up a bit and change into my black and whites (which were laundered for me by the restaurant)
Hit the floor at 4:30 and the first thing I'd do is serve myself up a nice bowl of 'server delight' - the shift meal we were all given for free. Chicken drumstick stew, rice, pasta, bread and a salad. It wasn't great but it wasn't bad either. fark, it was free and you could eat as much as you wanted (and if you were in with the bartenders you'd get free 'shift drinks' - usually a shot or two near the end of the night)
Tables were set by the bussers, we had to 'proof' them. rub glasses, pollish silver. As you finish proofing you get your first table at 5:30. The average section had 4 deuces and two or three four tops. I'd usually get two 'turns' so two checks on each table per night.

Averaged $60-$75 per person in sales. So an average night before tipping was around $300. 20% to the busser, 15% to the bartender and 1% of sales to the chick running the door.

Out the door by around 11 with a pocket full of cash and a bunch of workmates with pockets full of cash. Off to the nearest watering hole where (astonishingly) our friends worked to get smashed on practically free booze (professional courtesy etc.) Home by 2:30 or 3 then do it again.

Anybody tells you it's a hard job? They're right. It is a hard job. But overall I'd say it was pretty easy money.
/csb
 
2013-02-13 03:42:33 AM

proteus_b: tips are not what they make in addition to their normal wage. tips is what they earn; their paycheck is diminished by the taxes they pay. if you can't afford to leave 20%, you shouldn't be eating out. and you should leave at least 15% unless the service was really catastrophically atrocious,


So you think we should pay 15% for really bad service, as long as it's not "catastrophically atrocious"? Could you give some examples to who where the dividing line is?
 
2013-02-13 03:46:01 AM

ParagonComplex: The best tip I can give them is to Unionize so you can get paid more than sweatshop workers in Thailiand. Another tip is to stop expecting people to supplement your poor life choices. You chose the job.


Not everybody is qualified/experienced enough for any job YOU think they should have. Even the ones that are qualified sometimes have difficulty finding a better job when there aren't many places hiring. Stop trying to blame the victim in this. Blame the employer for paying less than minimum wage, and the lawmakers that allowed this to happen. Also, unionization is not always an option. Many places will fire you for even attempting it.

ParagonComplex: Still, stop being a whiney little biatch expecting everything to be handed to you. It isn't our fault you made poor life choices, lay down and accept being paid unacceptable wages, and have to deal with undesirables.


Expecting a reasonable wage means "expecting everything to be handed to you?" Maybe you stop being whiny over a few dollars and start tipping properly.
 
2013-02-13 03:49:04 AM

drew is pedal: You chose to be in food industry, why should I give you my money for you performing your job? I don't tip.


Not everybody chooses where they can work.
 
2013-02-13 03:49:37 AM
Jesus all you fark-knobs referencing the "great" service in Europe need to get a clue.  There's largely two classes of servers in Europe: professionals who get a percentage of the bill paid to them from the restaurant.  These guys give good service.  Then there's the part-timers who do not get a percentage but still get 7-8 euros an hour and their service is mostly crap and sometimes even insulting.
 
2013-02-13 03:51:16 AM

WhippingBoy: I work for the IRS. If you expect a tip, expect an audit.


And you wonder why everyone hates you.
 
2013-02-13 03:55:26 AM

untaken_name: toomuchmarisa: Or, you know, just keep your cheap ass at home and eat your microwaveable pizzas.

extortion


If you honestly consider this to be extortion, then it would be the business owner extorting you, not the servers. Don't take it out on them. If you really don't like the system, don't eat out. Otherwise, you deserve to have your food messed with.
 
2013-02-13 04:25:47 AM

Bullseyed: Waah feel bad for me because I spent high school getting high and drinking instead of acquiring skills.


Paraphrased: Waah feel bad for me because I make stupid assumptions about people and I'm too worthless to know better.
 
2013-02-13 04:36:51 AM

D_Evans45: DeadBaby: From what I've read on Reddit and other web sites is that older people and African American women are the worst tippers in existence.


Most black women work plenty hard for out money, we dont expect to pay peons twice to do their damn job right the first time.


Getting a tip isn't getting paid twice, it's making up the difference. It's nice that you think of them as peons, though. Seriously, if this is what you think of fellow human beings, maybe you shouldn't be eating in public in the first place. Go to your bootstrappy little island paradise and eat alone.
 
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