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2013-02-12 08:19:39 PM  

untaken_name: spickus: When did the standard tip increase from 15 to 20 % and more importantly why?

/Outlaw tipping and charge more for the meal.

I'm old enough to remember when the standard was 10%. Then 12%, then 15. Now they want 20. If they hold to the previous pattern, the next jump will be to 30 or more.


It already is.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/20/tipping-15-percent-25-30_n_ 19 00559.html

Almost 1/3rd of diners already tip between 25-30%.

So expect in the next few years for servers to complain that you're not leaving a 30% tip.
 
2013-02-12 08:20:06 PM  
The best tip I can give them is to Unionize so you can get paid more than sweatshop workers in Thailiand. Another tip is to stop expecting people to supplement your poor life choices. You chose the job. Don't expect something for nothing. It's obnoxious. Yeah, I know it's hard work. I don't doubt that. I'm sure you put up with all sorts of failures of humanity. It's probably worse than a dozen Wal Marts. Still, stop being a whiney little biatch expecting everything to be handed to you. It isn't our fault you made poor life choices, lay down and accept being paid unacceptable wages, and have to deal with undesirables. How about another tip: Make a positive change in your life.

It could be worse. You could live in Japan where it is an insult to tip, because good service is included in the price. They also pay their workers decent pay. Maybe if American restaurant owners would stop being money hungry and insidious the business would be a better place to work.
 
2013-02-12 08:22:07 PM  

fireclown: Before this goes all crazy, has anyone experimented with a restaurant where servers are just paid a decent wage to start with so that tipping wasn't necessary?


The west coast. They make $9+/hr + tips.
 
2013-02-12 08:22:25 PM  

toomuchmarisa: untaken_name: toomuchmarisa: Yes, it is disgusting. That's the whole point.

/not ashamed at all

You're not ashamed of attempted murder, but I'm supposed to be ashamed for not caving in to your attempted extortion? What kind of upside-down world do waiters inhabit?

No, you're not supposed to be ashamed of framing your interactions with a waiter as "extortion". You're supposed to enjoy your ballsack-beer, while we laugh at you. Or, as I suggested, just don't come back.

/not rocket science


The extortion, genius, is that if I don't pay you money, you will adulterate my food, genius. That is pretty much the textbook definition of extortion, genius. Gee, I wonder why you're a waiter?
 
2013-02-12 08:22:38 PM  

Publikwerks: I tip well. I see it as a karma thing, and even if the waiter/waitress sucks, I tip 15%

That said, I don't think the point is not tipping. The thing is the BS of making a point of not tipping. Don't tip your server? Fine, that is an option. But then don't rub it in or use it as an opportunity to make a point. Like the tract BS. Your not going to convert anyone with your phony tip bs.

If I was a waiter, I would write down info like credit cards #s and whatnot. Give me a religious track, I post your CC info on irc.


I generally tip 20%+, especially in a group because there's always at least one asshat in your group that can't figure out basic math and shorts his share of the split.  When it's just me, or me and my lady, I tip well unless the experience was truly awful. I mean spilled-shiat-on-me, gave me a dish with something that I'm allergic to in it after I specified to have it without (yes, i know it's the kitchen's fault mostly, but the server is responsible for verifying special orders with the kitchen supervisor before the plate goes out), flat out giving me something other than what i ordered, etc. Major fark-ups.  As long as my beverage and my water glasses don't run dry at the same time, and the food comes out in decent time (subject to busy-ness of the venue), I leave a good tip.  Hell, i've tipped 50% when the server was really great, and went out of their way to make the experience special. I usually stick around in the foyer or entryway to sneak a look at the server as he/she finds that 50% tip. You can see how much they really appreciate it.

What I don't get is North Americans who just don't "agree with it". Tipping, that is. The whole sense of entitlement that even though everybody else knows it's customary to tip, they aren't gonna do it out of "principle", yet they somehow feel they deserve to dine out anyway. FARK YOU GUYS. If you're not going to tip, STAY THE FARK HOME AND EAT FROZEN PIZZA AND CRAPPY "OLDE EL PASO" tacos. Those of us who DO appreciate the hard work of our servers didn't want you near us anyway.

The fiancee and I don't go out to dinner a whole lot these days, saving for the wedding and doing some minor reno on the condo we just bought, so we treat our nights out as special occasions, and the full-service dining experience is a part of that.  Including tipping a thoughtful and friendly server.

TL:DR Version: TIP, YA CHEAP BASTAGES!
 
2013-02-12 08:27:47 PM  

Southern100: If you're just going to eat what they bring you, why even bother ordering it a certain way?


You're not a douche.
 
2013-02-12 08:33:12 PM  
I think I'll start doubling my tips.

I've had some crappy servers in my time, but not enough to take it out on the others. The whole episode reminded me kind of that old TV series 'Alice' -- a program very loosely based on Alice's restaurant.

I couldn't be a server. I thought about it a couple of times over the years, but don't have the temperament for it. I'd be fired for trying to shove Iced-Tea glasses up patrons arses, especially those with uncontrolled little kids.

I knew a woman who worked as a barmaid from time to time and wasn't real sure how she tolerated it. Then I knew a guy who really got into it, working his way up from bus-boy to wine steward. He said he loved a challenge and showed me the right way to pour wine so no drops uncouthly formed on the rim of the bottle. Later, he got a degree in psychology and joined the military. (Pre-9/11)

I like to leave at least 20%. Thanks to the electronic technology of these days, I forget to carry cash and I prefer to leave cash. (Easier for the waitress to pocket and not have to split it with everyone else.) When I have to leave an electronic tip, it's 25 to 30%.

When I was young and stupid, I thought it hilarious to leave the tip in coin, under an overturned glass full of water. (I usually didn't go back to those places for quite awhile afterwards.)

No. There's no way I could be a server, especially today with my general disdain for 3/4 of the human race. Plus, people who can't control their screaming crotch rockets, IMO, at a public eatery need to be forcibly sterilized. Novocain should not be used.

There were several times, in my youth, when a polite, quick acting professional waitress took the sting out of me spilling my drink all over the place when dining with friends. (That awkward stage, you know.)

They got tipped very well.
 
2013-02-12 08:34:27 PM  

rooftop235: OK. I am a heavy tipper and the servers love me. I am easy, have my mind made up quickly, and rarely ask for advice on choices. 
But seriously, I worked my way up from being homeless and in construction for $4.25/hr to where I am now. I still tip well and will always do so.
If you are unhappy in your job GO DO SOMETHING ELSE! EDUCATION IS EVERYWHERE!


My epiphany came upon a cold January morn, whilst I tried to slumber in a frozen sugar beet field.

Work is hard, but deciding that you will do one thing a day to better yourself is so freaking easy. And people tend to notice those that are trying to better themselves.

Stimpy's new tooth: 2KanZam: Working in the restaurant business is really tough and can be a whole lotta work.


....and if you don't like it then get a farking education or skill and make a living by doing something you won't biatch about.  I did...as did most I know

/Don't complain about something that you can change

OK, just to give you guys a different perspective:

I'm a single mother.  I work for a university as a business manager.  I have a master's degree and fifteen years' experience in my field.  I also bar tend part time on the weekends in a 'gentleman's club' because I am my sole source of income--no support or help from the ex at all (married for 8 years).  So, I could live in a snake pit and not provide a reasonably comfortable existence for myself and my daughter, or I could use what hotness I have left to make a little scratch on the side to live well.

So to all of you narrow-minded, tunnel-visioned Mr. Magoo's who can't see past their own experiences, people like me often work in service jobs because they need a SECOND source of income to supplement, and that job needs to have different hours than the OTHER job I have that provides my family with insurance, benefits, etc.

If you can't afford to tip, you can't afford to go out.  Stay home.

And you are supposed to tip the staff if you get take out from a restaurant.  Do you know that the servers have to pay taxes on a minimum of 8% of their sales?  So, if you stiff them, they still have to pay taxes on money they didn't even earn.

Thanks a lot to those of you who have the class to take care of those who take care of you!!  And to the rest of you, I hope someone puts Visine in your rum and coke.


Heyzeus Kristo, why don't you just hook? The classy broads always seem to make more.

As for the Visine, I actually have  a friend that owns a couple of eateries. His horror story is getting shutdown by the State over an allegation of food tampering.

That and having to hire all new staff because he let everyone go over this.

But you've got a MA in 16th Century Baroque Cross Stitching, so you know how it really is.
 
2013-02-12 08:36:23 PM  
You chose to be in food industry, why should I give you my money for you performing your job? I don't tip.
 
2013-02-12 08:36:25 PM  

untaken_name: toomuchmarisa: untaken_name: toomuchmarisa: Yes, it is disgusting. That's the whole point.

/not ashamed at all

You're not ashamed of attempted murder, but I'm supposed to be ashamed for not caving in to your attempted extortion? What kind of upside-down world do waiters inhabit?

No, you're not supposed to be ashamed of framing your interactions with a waiter as "extortion". You're supposed to enjoy your ballsack-beer, while we laugh at you. Or, as I suggested, just don't come back.

/not rocket science

The extortion, genius, is that if I don't pay you money, you will adulterate my food, genius. That is pretty much the textbook definition of extortion, genius. Gee, I wonder why you're a waiter?


As I said, you're free to go somewhere else, as this will only occur if you repeatedly refuse to tip for good service (obviously some people do this regardless of their quality of service, but I'm speaking only for myself here). Or, you know, just keep your cheap ass at home and eat your microwaveable pizzas.

I have no intention of claiming a moral high-ground here, not at all. It's simple cause-and-effect. I have no interest in arguing about what "should be", just in identifying what is. When a server gets below minimum wage and tips out 3-5% of their sales, if you don't tip them at least 3-5% then they actually paid to serve you (not including the lost income from the average tipper). If you honestly believe that they'll continue this cycle with you, without any repercussions, then you really should avoid eating in places with servers that work for tips.

And, as I said, I was a server - past tense, genius.
 
2013-02-12 08:37:25 PM  
The west coast (along with a couple of other states) require minimum wage plus tips:

http://www.dol.gov/whd/state/tipped.htm
 
2013-02-12 08:39:38 PM  
Will they post another job description soon so the rest of us can biatch?
 
2013-02-12 08:40:03 PM  

craig328: within the past 45 days I've gotten not one but two full time positions and am working them both.


Why are you working 60+ hours per week?
 
2013-02-12 08:41:33 PM  

drew is pedal: You chose to be in food industry, why should I give you my money for you performing your job? I don't tip.


With such a strong moral stance, I am sure you make this very clear to the server up front right?
 
2013-02-12 08:44:23 PM  

drew is pedal: You chose to be in food industry, why should I give you my money for you performing your job? I don't tip.


Good for you. I'd avoid going to the same place twice.
 
2013-02-12 08:45:09 PM  

jdbob: The west coast (along with a couple of other states) require minimum wage plus tips:

http://www.dol.gov/whd/state/tipped.htm


From your link:

A tipped employee engages in an occupation in which he or she customarily and regularly receives more than $30 per month in tips. An employer of a tipped employee is only required to pay $2.13 per hour in direct wages if that amount combined with the tips received at least equals the federal minimum wage. If the employee's tips combined with the employer's direct wages of at least $2.13 per hour do not equal the federal minimum hourly wage, the employer must make up the difference. Many states, however, require higher direct wage amounts for tipped employees.

All 50 states. Period.
 
2013-02-12 08:45:37 PM  
I work for the IRS. If you expect a tip, expect an audit.
 
2013-02-12 08:46:41 PM  

toomuchmarisa: Or, you know, just keep your cheap ass at home and eat your microwaveable pizzas.


Dingdingding. We have a winner. Like I'd ever leave here to go amongst YOU low-class jackholes.

toomuchmarisa: I have no intention of claiming a moral high-ground here, not at all.


Which is fortunate for you, since you couldn't.

toomuchmarisa: I have no interest in arguing about what "should be", just in identifying what is.


Me either. Like, what you described is extortion. Not saying what should or shouldn't be. Just what is.

toomuchmarisa: If you honestly believe that they'll continue this cycle with you, without any repercussions, then you really should avoid eating in places with servers that work for tips.


So now I'm responsible for your life choices? Interesting idea, that. I don't buy it. I don't see you stepping up to pay my horribly-thought-out mortgage (if I had one, which obviously I don't because I'm intelligent, but you should get the idea).

toomuchmarisa: And, as I said, I was a server - past tense, genius.


Hahahahah. Touchy about your loser past, eh? I don't blame you. I used to work a crappy job, too. The difference is that I did a good job and didn't fark people over, even if they didn't just hand me extra money that they didn't owe me. That's because I'm not a worthless criminal. Oh, and by the way, ringing endorsement of your former (so you say) profession, and the people who are in it.
 
2013-02-12 08:48:45 PM  

WhippingBoy: I work for the IRS. If you expect a tip, expect an audit.


Here, let me spit in that for you.

;)
 
2013-02-12 08:48:50 PM  
I'd love to see all of the wait staff across the country take a week long vacation...at the same time.  Then all of you non-tippers could biatch about how it sucks that you couldn't go out to eat or to the bar for a week.  If you don't want to tip then go to friggin' McDonald's...as a bonus they have a play area for whiny snowflakes like you.
 
2013-02-12 08:48:53 PM  
If we assume that FARKers are a representative cross-section of the US population*, working as a waitperson must suck badly.  What a bunch of cheap bastages.

*A sobering and scary assumption.
 
2013-02-12 08:49:52 PM  

al's hat: I'd love to see all of the wait staff across the country take a week long vacation...at the same time.  Then all of you non-tippers could biatch about how it sucks that you couldn't go out to eat or to the bar for a week.  If you don't want to tip then go to friggin' McDonald's...as a bonus they have a play area for whiny snowflakes like you.


I'd love to see that, too. It wouldn't affect me in the slightest and a lot of cocaine dealers would go hungry for a week. Win/win.
 
2013-02-12 08:51:35 PM  
Tipping just encourages tax evasion. I'm doing you a favor by *not* tipping.

You're welcome.
 
2013-02-12 08:52:58 PM  

ChipNASA: Subtle_Canary: hmm, the most i've EVER worked in my life was as a Staff Sgt back in 2007. we were pulling 12 hr shifts every day of the working week for over 6 months to adjust for squadron 'reorganization' (another way of saying that they decided our squadron could do with 50 guys what it used to do with 180). That worked out to a bit more than 9 bucks an hour for a job that most people needed a 4 year degree to even think about doing.

Not too shabby, the work itself wasnt strenuous. What made the job suck was dealing with other servicemember jerkoffs who didnt appreciate that we used the metric system in all our data or that we had to conform to an incredibly tight schedule and thus couldnt entertain their mickey mouse questions for 20 minutes because fark off dude, i got 6 other active duty bases, 5 airfields and 11 county agencies to deal with every 30 minutes.

OK my Turn.....

When I was an Airman (E-2) back in Okinawa in the early 1980s, we calculated with *EVERYTHING*, base pay, dorm, food medical expenses, as best as we could calculate, we got $1 an hour, every hour, 24 hours a day, (work, poop, sleep, standing in line in the chow hall, whatever) 365 days a year.
It was amusing and depressing all at the same time.

Worse than that, an old salt I used to work with said in Korea, the officers had to pay for billeting (housing) out of their paycheck, because they got paid extra for it......even if they were living in a foxhole that they dug themselves. PRICLESS.

/no my life really wasn't in danger but it's still the military.


But your mess hall had beer on tap, and make your own pizzas.

Used to love driving the newbie Officers to and from Kadena.

I really don't know why the Airmen wouldn't come to Camp Hansen, our mess halls really did sling some good food.

1984, E-3, $778 base, $110 housing (if accompanied), $13 uniform allowance, 12 to 16 hour days. Good times, good times.

/but i gots to blow things up, so it evened out.
 
2013-02-12 08:55:07 PM  

untaken_name: toomuchmarisa: And, as I said, I was a server - past tense, genius.


So now I'm responsible for your life choices?

Hmmm, perhaps this IS rocket science for someone like you. Sorry bout that.

Hahahahah. Touchy about your loser past, eh? I don't blame you. I used to work a crappy job, too. The difference is that I did a good job and didn't fark people over, even if they didn't just hand me extra money that they didn't owe me. That's because I'm not a worthless criminal. Oh, and by the way, ringing endorsement of your former (so you say) profession, and the people who are in it.

LOL. Actually I loved that job, it was a tonne of fun. Also, just an FYI, I regularly made more in just three nights than most people made in a week - precisely because I was good at it.

/enjoy your ballsack-beer!
//i tried
 
2013-02-12 08:57:23 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-02-12 08:59:20 PM  
Waah feel bad for me because I spent high school getting high and drinking instead of acquiring skills.
 
2013-02-12 09:04:16 PM  

spickus: From your link:

A tipped employee engages in an occupation in which he or she customarily and regularly receives more than $30 per month in tips. An employer of a tipped employee is only required to pay $2.13 per hour in direct wages if that amount combined with the tips received at least equals the federal minimum wage. If the employee's tips combined with the employer's direct wages of at least $2.13 per hour do not equal the federal minimum hourly wage, the employer must make up the difference. Many states, however, require higher direct wage amounts for tipped employees.

All 50 states. Period.


You know, a ton of people have said that in this thread, but you know they're people who never waited tables in their lives.  A sad reality of the serving world is that, that may be the law, but a lot of shiatty places will punish servers who try to make use of it.

You have a shiatty week, your tips come out to less than minimum wage, you tell your manager, he's then forced to dig into the restaurant's pockets to pay you.  Well, that won't fly!  You must be a shiatty waiter if your tips weren't good! So you're either fired and replaced with someone who won't complain about a lean week (thank god for at-will states!), or you're stuck with bad sections, two shifts a week, scheduled during slow times...  Being punished for daring to claim your full pay is a thing.

Not all places are assholes like this, and if you're working for one that is, you should obviously find a better job, but it's a shiat job market out there right now for students and people without medical, computing, or engineering degrees, and that's can be hard.  So a lot of servers will just STFU, eat ramen, and hope next week goes better.
 
2013-02-12 09:06:51 PM  

thismomentinblackhistory: God damn tipping thread. I love working for a small business, one of the busiest bars in town.

If you don't tip, we usually start slow -- we'll make a comment or stop opening your beer. Three strikes and we either cut you off or kick you out, because we reserve the right to refuse service for any reason. Not tipping? You're a dick. And you can leave.


/CSB Back when I did Serious Drinkin', I always used to tip big on the first round, 25-35% ($10 or $20 if i was buying drinks for the table) and then 20% every round after that. The first tip was to let the bartender know I was there for Serious Drinkin' and to keep the booze a'flowin'.  I rarely had to wait for my glass to be empty before the next one was in front of me. Tipping big up front also tends to get the bartender to keep an eye on ya, to make sure you're all right. Once or twice, a bartender stopped me from falling off my stool, or stumbling off to the washroom without my wallet.  On those occasions, I would finish my drink, slap down a final good tip, and stagger my way out to the curb to projectile vomit and hail a cab.

/CSB over

I don't do no Serious Drinkin' no more. A few too many nights where I couldn't remember how I got home.... plus all the money I was wasting on booze and smokes, I could then spend on nerd gadgets and collectibles. Now that I'm getting married, I don't get to do that any more, either.
 
2013-02-12 09:12:41 PM  

DemonEater: spickus: From your link:

A tipped employee engages in an occupation in which he or she customarily and regularly receives more than $30 per month in tips. An employer of a tipped employee is only required to pay $2.13 per hour in direct wages if that amount combined with the tips received at least equals the federal minimum wage. If the employee's tips combined with the employer's direct wages of at least $2.13 per hour do not equal the federal minimum hourly wage, the employer must make up the difference. Many states, however, require higher direct wage amounts for tipped employees.

All 50 states. Period.

You know, a ton of people have said that in this thread, but you know they're people who never waited tables in their lives.  A sad reality of the serving world is that, that may be the law, but a lot of shiatty places will punish servers who try to make use of it.

You have a shiatty week, your tips come out to less than minimum wage, you tell your manager, he's then forced to dig into the restaurant's pockets to pay you.  Well, that won't fly!  You must be a shiatty waiter if your tips weren't good! So you're either fired and replaced with someone who won't complain about a lean week (thank god for at-will states!), or you're stuck with bad sections, two shifts a week, scheduled during slow times...  Being punished for daring to claim your full pay is a thing.

Not all places are assholes like this, and if you're working for one that is, you should obviously find a better job, but it's a shiat job market out there right now for students and people without medical, computing, or engineering degrees, and that's can be hard.  So a lot of servers will just STFU, eat ramen, and hope next week goes better.


That IS the law.

I understand your point but two things come to mind. If your wages come out to less than minimum wage, the job isn't worth driving to and if you're fool enough to allow someone to pay you less than minimum wage, you deserve it. Be sure to tell your local labor board that you were fired for demanding minimum wage.
 
2013-02-12 09:14:21 PM  
After the fifteenth moan-piece from a waiter posted on Fark in two years, I think I will just stop going to restaurants if it is going to inconvenience them that much.
 
2013-02-12 09:14:31 PM  

WhyKnot: it would suck to be a port-o-potty cleaner as well...jeez.

Servers, get over yourself all ready; if you don't like your job, get a different one.


I bet port-o-let cleaners make a decent hourly wage, though.

Right now, minimum wage for a tipped employee is $4.77 / hour here in Florida.

I did my time as a waitress and though I was fortunate to work in decent places
and with staff who didn't try to screw me, it was still a big farking hustle every day
to make up the difference in tips so that at the end of the week I earned a wage
that I could live off of.

You said that they should quit if they don't like the job. The *job* of a server is
ok - sometimes its even fun in the right environment. It's the asshat customers
who think that it's ok not to tip the server because HEY the next guy will make it
up for them, the douchenozzle customers who think it's funny to leave a tip all
in change at the bottom of a coffee cup that still has coffee in it - they are what
make the job so difficult.
 
2013-02-12 09:21:07 PM  
Here's my CSB:

I'm a starving college student and it's my first wait job. A family with small kids comes in. They order big pizzas and drinks so it's a big order. I'm in the middle of BFE so large orders are not the norm. True, the kids spill their drinks so I have to cheerfully bus and reset the table and they leave a ring of trash around the trash covered table but when they leave I am so excited to finally be getting a nice, big, juicy tip. The restaurant is empty so I rip through the crumpled napkins and there is NO TIP!!! Those bastards.

Soon thereafter I start studying who tips and who doesn't. Families and church people...you go over into that other section where the new server is. Rich ladies at lunch who don't seem to have ever worked...oh hell no. I'm not even going to bother. It's my job. If necessary I'll give you some service with a very, very small s. It's a job and I'm a pro. Regulars who always tip? Anyone who looks blue collar or like an ex-server? Bikers? Hell yes, you sit right down and get some great service. Your order goes in first. Your drinks come out first. I'm waiting for your food and delivering it first.

Well, unless you're a dick. Giving a tip doesn't let you be a dick.

End CSB.
 
2013-02-12 09:25:20 PM  
If you depend on tips, you need to get a real job. Surely you have better job skills than "loads/unloads trays - washes dishes." Listening to whiny servers is like listening to a bunch of whiny Apple fans. Get over it pussies.

Be glad you work indoors and only have to carry 20 pounds tops. And even gladder people just hand you money all day because you smile at people.

/Pussies
 
2013-02-12 09:30:22 PM  

D_Evans45: If you depend on tips, you need to get a real job. Surely you have better job skills than "loads/unloads trays - washes dishes." Listening to whiny servers is like listening to a bunch of whiny Apple fans. Get over it pussies.

Be glad you work indoors and only have to carry 20 pounds tops. And even gladder people just hand you money all day because you smile at people.

/Pussies


People who have real jobs and don't tip should bring their personal servants to wait on them at restaurants...
 
2013-02-12 09:39:47 PM  
Dedicated lurker but Sam Adams Alpine Spring pushed me over the edge...
<CSB> Best service I have ever had in a restaurant was in Paris. From a young guy who said right off the bat that  it was his first day on the job. GF and I walked around after 10 pm to find crowded places and try to get a table there. Found one and almost regretted it right away. A tiny table for two next to a big crowd of 'merikans loudly discussing how to split their check. I love French onion soup and felt that France is the right place to see how good it can get. But feeling adventurous I ordered Gratinee Lyonnaise. Out waiter saw the confusion on my face when he showed up with my order. After I confessed that I had no clue about what to do he proceeded to enthusiastically explain (in broken English) what this dish is about and what is the best way to make it taste great. And it did taste great. Afterwards he got very flustered when we tried to leave a  tip (very measly by American standards) and kept thanking us as were walking out of the door. Those damn French...
 </CSB>
 
2013-02-12 09:40:31 PM  

al's hat: People who have real jobs and don't tip should bring their personal servants to wait on them at restaurants...


No need, they have you.
 
2013-02-12 09:41:29 PM  

al's hat: D_Evans45:...

People who have real jobs and don't tip should bring their personal servants to wait on them at restaurants...


The purpose of going to a restaurant is being fed and serviced by staff. Thats what you are paid to do. I would have went to the market and then prepared the burger at my house if I had the time and energy. Instead, I go to a store where someone quickly serves it up to me without fuss.

Imagine if everyone were as pissy as you chumps. Your mechanic isn't going to fix your car to the best of his ability because your car isn't a BMW. Your construction workers warily accept your cash before they slap up a half assed building, with a shiatty attitude at that.

Why is it okay for serve staff to think like this? You are a bunch of cheap fuhks unwilling to apply yourself for real jobs, and piss and moan when people dont leave you a bunch of money after they eat. fark off lazyasses.

/I worked at a restaurant for about 3 months
//Thn I got a real job
 
2013-02-12 09:44:43 PM  

orbister: Oh no. It's the entitled snowflake arts graduate thread again.

Look, sweetcheeks, you're doing low skill manual labour and you can be replaced in, oh, twenty seconds at the outside. If you didn't want to be in that situation you should have worked harder at school or chosen more wisely at university.


Arts /Masters/. Get it right.
 
2013-02-12 09:47:12 PM  

untaken_name: Empty Matchbook: Fine, but DON'T pretend like manual labor doesn't pay RIDICULOUSLY better than the service industry.

And yet, oddly, I see "construction workers wanted" signs all over. No "waiters wanted" signs....my guess is that people would rather receive less money for waiting tables than more money for working construction, even though, as you have astutely pointed out, construction pays a lot better. Then, somehow, I'm supposed to want to give them extra money for making the easy choice? Taking the coward's way out? No, thank you. Not me, sir.


Well...since we're just going full-anecdotal, I see almost NO manual labor jobs, and all I see are "Help Wanted" signs in restaurants. And no, because ya know what their JOB is? Their JOB is to bring you food and your bill in a timely manner.

You tip them for going above and beyond, asking if you need anything else, refilling your water without being asked, remembering you and what you like from previous visits, for doing MORE than most manual laborers/desk drones/clerks. It's why you DON'T tip at McDonald's. Want to eliminate tipping? Pay the waitstaff more than minimum wage. Cause guess what? Contrary to popular belief: McDonald's, and MOST fast food chains, DO JUST THAT.
 
2013-02-12 09:50:28 PM  

spickus: al's hat: People who have real jobs and don't tip should bring their personal servants to wait on them at restaurants...

No need, they have you.


No, I'm the servant who makes sure the email gets to your inbox and your porn is available at your whim.  I get paid appropriately so I don't need tips...but I don't begrudge them to those who don't get paid appropriately.
 
2013-02-12 09:56:41 PM  

D_Evans45: al's hat: D_Evans45:...

People who have real jobs and don't tip should bring their personal servants to wait on them at restaurants...

The purpose of going to a restaurant is being fed and serviced by staff. Thats what you are paid to do. I would have went to the market and then prepared the burger at my house if I had the time and energy. Instead, I go to a store where someone quickly serves it up to me without fuss.

Imagine if everyone were as pissy as you chumps. Your mechanic isn't going to fix your car to the best of his ability because your car isn't a BMW. Your construction workers warily accept your cash before they slap up a half assed building, with a shiatty attitude at that.

Why is it okay for serve staff to think like this? You are a bunch of cheap fuhks unwilling to apply yourself for real jobs, and piss and moan when people dont leave you a bunch of money after they eat. fark off lazyasses.

/I worked at a restaurant for about 3 months
//Thn I got a real job


I'm betting you worked at a restaurant for 3 months and found that your pissy attitude got you poor tips.  If you think that the majority of wait staff are whiny and aren't working "real" jobs then please remove yourself from the equation.  I'd honestly prefer to not be seated next to an arrogant arsehole while having dinner served to me by someone who is providing me a service.
 
2013-02-12 10:00:55 PM  

al's hat: I'm betting you worked at a restaurant for 3 months and found that your pissy attitude got you poor tips.  If you think that the majority of wait staff are whiny and aren't working "real" jobs then please remove yourself from the equation.  I'd honestly prefer to not be seated next to an arrogant arsehole while having dinner served to me by someone who is providing me a service.



No I left for a real job because I realized minimum wage doesn't cut it. I know plenty of great servers whom I would never slander, Im merely addressing the whiny types. And sadly on Fark, there happen to be plenty. And they are fun to piss off.
 
2013-02-12 10:01:54 PM  

al's hat: I get paid appropriately


al's hat: those who don't get paid appropriately.


It's almost as if the waitstaff should be paid appropriately and not have to rely on the generosity of strangers.

al's hat: your porn is available at your whim.


Truly God's work and the midget tranny porn isn't mine...... the router is open,
 
2013-02-12 10:03:25 PM  
I'm not even a server and I farking hate people that don't tip. I've only not tipped twice and that was when I had exceptionally, and I mean  exceptionally poor service and I still feel kinda bad about it.

I feel like most of my friends and the people in my age group (24-30) are pretty good at tipping, but I can't say I've done a survey. From what I've read on Reddit and other web sites is that older people and African American women are the worst tippers in existence.

Wasn't that Applebee's "preacher" that stiffed that girl on her tip an older African American woman?

Perfect storm of not giving a damn about other people, right there.
 
2013-02-12 10:05:26 PM  

spickus: It's almost as if the waitstaff should be paid appropriately and not have to rely on the generosity of strangers.



Yeah pretty much this.

Im going to not tip my server tomorrow at lunch, just to spite cheap chumps like these people.
 
2013-02-12 10:08:53 PM  

DeadBaby: From what I've read on Reddit and other web sites is that older people and African American women are the worst tippers in existence.



Most black women work plenty hard for out money, we dont expect to pay peons twice to do their damn job right the first time.
 
2013-02-12 10:13:46 PM  
I don't give a shiat if they have worked 2 months straight and have 20 kids.  If you give shiatty service, they get a shiatty tip.
 
2013-02-12 10:14:40 PM  

D_Evans45: DeadBaby: From what I've read on Reddit and other web sites is that older people and African American women are the worst tippers in existence.


Most black women work plenty hard for out money, we dont expect to pay peons twice to do their damn job right the first time.


What's "out" money?
 
2013-02-12 10:16:56 PM  

Smelly Pirate Hooker: If these threads (and real life) weren't full of assholes telling servers to get a better job, or telling all of us how much their job sucks by comparison so everybody should just put up with whatever shiat their employer decides to dish out, I might be inclined to tell the servers to suck it up.

But there are assholes everywhere, assholing all over everything, so I'm on the side of the servers.

I guess for most people, making unreasonable demands in a restaurant is the only bit of real power they'll ever have. Maybe we should feel sorry for them that the only way they can feel important is to heap abuse on the lowly restaurant workers.


THIS! THIS! THIS!!!

and again, as I stated earlier: Would you rather them be job searching for something better/NOT WORKING while being on welfare at the same time instead of working? Because in THAT case you would be dissing them for mooching off the government!!! People do what they can to survive and you don't always know the reasons WHY people choose to be servers. But at LEAST they are working to make a living. So when you go out and the service is good, TIP THEM! If you cant afford to tip, don't eat out.
 
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