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2013-02-12 06:44:13 PM
www.listofimages.com

"Tip your AMERICAN server..."

Fixed that for you, subby.  Every other server on the planet get paid an hourly wage for it.
 
2013-02-12 06:45:13 PM
If the server is good, prompt and does their job well, they'll get a good tip.

If they're uncaring about the meal, not getting us our drinks for 30 minutes after we sat down, the food showing up nearly 40 minutes after the drinks (easy meals to make), and it takes another 40 minutes for us to get our bill after we finished our food, all at a place with maybe 15 other patrons, half of which were seated well after us, and got their desserts and were finished long before us....well that server will get a bad tip. If they're lucky.

Not that that exact scenario happened to me the other night or anything...
 
2013-02-12 06:47:44 PM

Litig8r: If being a waitress is such a lousy job, why do so many people do it?  And why have so many people done it over the years -- regardless of the economy which, I admit, is crap right now.


Some people have responded in a negative fashion, so I'll try to be more positive.

A good friend of mine has been in the food service industry for close to 30 years and has held wait staff, bartender and management positions in cafes, dive bars and upscale restaurants. She does it in part because she likes taking care of people and making sure they have a good time. And for someone without a college education, her time spent working in upscale restaurants earned her a pretty good income--much of it untaxed--when the economy was booming. When the economy sucks, the tips go way down, even in expensive restaurants.

Although she lacks a formal education, she is by no means dumb and knows almost enough about wines and food to be a sommelier (probably because she was never a good student and doesn't want to get the credentials). She's a pretty good cook, but was never interested in becoming a chef because when all is said and done, she's a people person and working behind the scenes doesn't interest her.

Yes, she complains about everything mentioned in TFA. But she found something she's good at, can make decent money doing, and once you're in the restaurant business, the long periods of working odd hours with the same people kind of forms a closed circle of friends. Who else is ready to START partying at 2:30am on a Wednesday and doesn't have to be at work until 2pm the same day? (Oh wait, this is Fark. Forget I asked.)

Seriously, though, from the time she was old enough to hold down a full-time job, she's been in the food service business. She took a small detour for a while and tried working a regular 9-5 job because she wanted more income stability, even if it meant she couldn't just work 3 double-shifts T-W-Th to make extra money. Didn't work out and she went back to working at restaurants. Last I heard from her, she was managing and working the floor at a nice restaurant in a pricey neighborhood. So she probably is getting pretty good tips and has lots of "regulars" who benefit from her knowing how they like their martinis, steaks, desserts, etc.

She is the reason I tip well when I go out. I know these people in the food service industry depend on tips to make ends meet. If I get truly bad service from my server, I'll talk to the manager. It isn't always the server's fault and not tipping the server isn't the best solution even if the server IS the problem.
 
2013-02-12 06:50:46 PM

Mitch Taylor's Bro: knows almost enough about wines and food to be a sommelier (never tried to become one, probably because she was never a good student and doesn't want to get the credentials).


Gah, fixed.
 
2013-02-12 06:51:29 PM
Several years ago, I was traveling on business and had dinner in a small, upper-end family restaurant in the small town I was working in.  I was dining alone.  Service started out pretty good.  Waiter was prompt and efficient.  However, just after my appetizer was served and I had ordered another drink, a table of 4 cute young girls was seated in my waiter's section.  He was all over that table and I was neglected.  I had ordered another drink but that no longer seemed important to him.  While he was at the bar or in the kitchen getting stuff for them, I noticed them going around to other patrons who seemed to be friends and trying to scrape up enough money to pay the bill.  Of course, romeo didn't notice that.

After about 20 minutes of waiting, I got his attention and motioned him over.  He came over and apologized for forgetting my drink.  I asked  him to hold on just a minute - I wanted to talk to him.  I explained to him that I was just as impressed with the young girls' looks as he was but that I was very disappointed in the turn the quality of my service had taken once they walked in the restaurant.  I told him that his other tables appeared to be somewhat annoyed as well.  I then asked him to look at his tables and make a quick analysis.  I was a stranger in town, most likely on business and therefore putting my tab on an expense account.  There was another table with an older couple, obviously well off.  Another table with a family and, from the way they were dressed and behaved, probably above average income.  Then there were the 4 girls.  Obviously co-eds.  I explained that I had observed them hitting up friends and acquaintances in the restaurant hoping to come up with enough money to cover their bill.  And I suggested that, unless he was guaranteed getting laid or at least a great BJ from one of the young girls at the table, his best bet for a tip was going to be to give superior service to the tables where it looked like there might be some money and not be swooning over the one table.  For a moment, he looked at me like he had been pole-axed.  He gathered himself, took off for the bar and brought me 2 drinks, explaining that one was on him for the delay.  For the rest of the evening, my service was impeccable, as was that for his other tables.  He didn't neglect the 4 young women but he didn't spend any more time there than necessary.  I tipped him well.

A couple nights later I was in the same town, went to the same restaurant.  I was seated at a table and shortly after, the hostess came over and asked if I would mind sitting in a different section.  Seems the young man had seen me come in and asked that I be seated in his section - he wanted to make sure I was well taken care of.  And during the course of the evening, he admitted to me that the girls had stiffed him on the tip.  My service, however was impeccable and I tipped him well.
 
2013-02-12 06:51:55 PM

TheSwissNavy: Only a white person would refer to $9/hour as "slave wages".  Slaves were generally paid a lot less, like, zero.

And it's not so simple that servers t make $2.65 an hour - if their tips don't bring their gross up to minimum wage,they are paid minimum wage. Which isn't much, but when the Democrats had control of Congress with a filibuster-proof Senate, and the Presidency, from July 2010 to January 2012, they didn't bother fixing this. Or anything.

/wanker


Except for the whole food and shelter being provided for them.
 
2013-02-12 06:52:34 PM
I've had bad cutomers here and there, but by and large, I never average less than 15% in tips no matter where I've worked, and I was once a 15 year old waiter at a diner, probably the only living example of one nationwide. The simple fact of the matter is, if she was only making $9 an hour, why doesn't she just work the Burger King night shift for $10? I agree with the premise that there is no excuse for low tipping with good service, but I take these anecdotes with a grain or two.
 
2013-02-12 06:53:14 PM
Haha. Waiters. Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah. Look, your late teens and early twenties are supposed to suck. It's a rule. They say good things come to those who wait, but if you're over 30 and you're still waiting, it's too late. You waited too long. They call it "waiting" because you're only supposed to do it until you can find a real job.
 
2013-02-12 06:53:23 PM
20% when out.

at my local where I get a 25% discount for food I tip based on the list price.  25%
 
2013-02-12 06:54:23 PM
"Tip your AMERICAN server..."

Fixed that for you, subby.  Every other server on the planet get paid an hourly wage for it.


Yeah, a really shiatty wage good servers like me wouldn't get out of bed for.
American servers are the highest paid, worldwide.
 
2013-02-12 06:55:07 PM

PooperMcSlides: Dancin_In_Anson: Quit your biatching and tip your waitron...even if he or she sucks, give him or her 15%. If he or she rocks your table, give 20%

Either that or make your own goddamn supper.

This is exactly why we have crappy servers, they expect 15% for doing a shiate job. Good service, 20% is pretty standard for me but why would I give a terrible server 5% less than a server who did a great job.
Bill $100
Awesome server $100*.2=$20
Terrible server     $100*.15=$15
By your rule, on a $100 tab, the worst server in a restaurant should only get only $5 less than a server who worked their a** off to do a great job.

Are you employed as a sh*tty server? Running for president of the sh*tty server union maybe?


That's kinda the point I was making as well - if your bill is $100, and you tip $20 and were there for an hour, that server is making $20/hour just from you. All the other tables could tip 0%, and that server STILL made $20 for that hour (plus their standard $2.65 or whatever is mandated in their state).

Unless a restaurant is completely dead (no customers), I doubt there's a server out there that can't at least average $10/hour in tips.

The question then becomes "does a server deserve more than $10 hour". But that's a whole different thread. :)
 
2013-02-12 06:57:02 PM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: PooperMcSlides: Absolutely I have, it got me through school and I hated it because you have to put up with a lot of crap which is why for good service (not even great), I tip 20%. I get it, it can suck but like so many people have pointed out, there are lots of other difficult low paying jobs that don't provide tips.

Twenty percent has been the normal, expected tip for a while now. Going to have to up it to 30% for good service.


Ha, yes, I heard that in Manhattan that is the case. To get 30% from me, they are going to have to do something pretty spectacular. It's not impossible but I can't imagine what realistically would make me tip that much.
 
2013-02-12 06:57:53 PM

Dixon Cider: JesusJuice:

I never tip and neither should you.  It just perpetuates a broken system.

Want to know how I know you are an asshole?


I'm guessing you define everyone more intelligent than you to be an asshole.
 
2013-02-12 06:58:16 PM

tricycleracer: ChipNASA: [4.bp.blogspot.com image 640x960]

/flame on

A black customer didn't tip???  Whaaa?
An entitled, self-righteous black customer who brings up slavery as a defense mechanism even though they've most likely never experienced anything close to it didn't tip???  Whaaa?

 

/you're welcome
 
2013-02-12 07:01:19 PM

Mitch Taylor's Bro: And for someone without a college education, her time spent working in upscale restaurants earned her a pretty good income--much of it untaxed--when the economy was booming.


So she's effectively stealing, and I'm supposed to give her *more* money?

I don't get tips and I pay tax on every cent I make. Where's my parade?
 
2013-02-12 07:02:14 PM
ecx.images-amazon.com
Worth a read.  Very, very funny.
 
2013-02-12 07:03:37 PM

fireclown: Before this goes all crazy, has anyone experimented with a restaurant where servers are just paid a decent wage to start with so that tipping wasn't necessary?


I think that's called Europe.
 
2013-02-12 07:05:01 PM
Oh no. It's the entitled snowflake arts graduate thread again.

Look, sweetcheeks, you're doing low skill manual labour and you can be replaced in, oh, twenty seconds at the outside. If you didn't want to be in that situation you should have worked harder at school or chosen more wisely at university.
 
2013-02-12 07:05:10 PM

Galileo's Daughter: [ecx.images-amazon.com image 300x300]
Worth a read.  Very, very funny.


I used to love reading that site when he updated it with his stories (before putting them in a book).. He didn't rant a whole lot about tipping though, just demanding diners. It almost always brought a smile or a chuckle from me. :)
 
2013-02-12 07:06:45 PM

Corn_Fed: Okay, serious tipping question here:

Assuming the service is essentially fine each time, should I tip at Starbucks each time I order my usual latte? I typically get one every other day or so.

I notice that most people don't put anything in the tip jar. Are they being labelled as stiffs by the staff? Or is tipping just generally less expected at coffee shops than at restaurants?


I think it's less expected at places where you don't get table service, but appreciated just the same. I might drop my change in the tip jar at a coffee place if I feel like it, but don't go out of my way to tip a percentage of my order. Same thing when I order take-out from a place that does offer table service.
 
2013-02-12 07:09:20 PM

Mr. Right: Seems the young man had seen me come in and asked that I be seated in his section - he wanted to make sure I was well taken care of.


You handled it very well.

Feedback: A++++++++++++ would read stories from this Farker again!
 
2013-02-12 07:09:59 PM
Good LORD, "just get another job." REALLY?? Yeah, I forgot how we're still in the golden age of kicking down the door to any random establishment, slapping your resume down, and walking out employed.

And hey, you're to cheap for a couple of extra bucks for a job well done? Fine, but DON'T pretend like manual labor doesn't pay RIDICULOUSLY better than the service industry.

/never worked restaurant
//worked retail
///wanna talk about thankless work?
 
2013-02-12 07:17:54 PM

thismomentinblackhistory: toomuchmarisa: [www.raucousrecords.com image 240x240]

I worked in the service industry for years. Stories like this are just preaching to the choir - you're not going to convince anyone that specifically avoids tipping.

My advice to people who don't tip: Yes, you're completely within your legal rights to do so. However, do not EVER go back to the same place again. I guarantee that there will be something in your food or drink that you won't like... and you probably won't be aware of it at all.

/our bartender used to dip his manky, sweaty balls into cheap peoples' beer
//i actually prayed for some people not to tip me
///wouldn't feel guilty then
////and he was the NICE one
//two words: rat poop

That is farking disgusting and you should be ashamed.


Yes, it is disgusting. That's the whole point.

/not ashamed at all
 
2013-02-12 07:18:33 PM

Empty Matchbook: Fine, but DON'T pretend like manual labor doesn't pay RIDICULOUSLY better than the service industry.


And yet, oddly, I see "construction workers wanted" signs all over. No "waiters wanted" signs....my guess is that people would rather receive less money for waiting tables than more money for working construction, even though, as you have astutely pointed out, construction pays a lot better. Then, somehow, I'm supposed to want to give them extra money for making the easy choice? Taking the coward's way out? No, thank you. Not me, sir.
 
2013-02-12 07:20:03 PM

toomuchmarisa: Yes, it is disgusting. That's the whole point.

/not ashamed at all


You're not ashamed of attempted murder, but I'm supposed to be ashamed for not caving in to your attempted extortion? What kind of upside-down world do waiters inhabit?
 
2013-02-12 07:26:39 PM
Biggest reasons I don't go out to eat:

1. Waiting to be served
2. Tipping 20%
3. Ridiculously high taxes on food service
4. 5x alcohol price jack-up
5. Pushy waiters
6. Poor beer selection
7. Sports on TV
8. Mediocre food with portions that are too big
9. Unknown crappy ingredients
10. Listening to loud people at the table next door

But mostly the tipping and waiting. Give me a good food court any day over a sit down restaurant
 
2013-02-12 07:27:08 PM

WhyKnot: it would suck to be a port-o-potty cleaner as well...jeez.

Servers, get over yourself all ready; if you don't like your job, get a different one.


Exactly.  Geez, my job sucks too but it's what I do.  If you don't make enough cash or don't like your job, quit your farking whinging and go work in some other industry.

/no tipping in Japan last time I was there.
 
2013-02-12 07:33:36 PM

fireclown: Before this goes all crazy, has anyone experimented with a restaurant where servers are just paid a decent wage to start with so that tipping wasn't necessary?


Yes, Wegman's restaurant The Food Bar.  No tipping.  Service is always spot on.
 
2013-02-12 07:36:10 PM
I was a server, I know it can suck, but if you're so smart and hard working why are you in the service industry?  Work your way up through college and grad school, get a real job somewhere, work your way up through that and live a better life.  What's that? You got a degree in English and no one wants to hire you at a real job?  I thought you were smart, why would you do that if you're such a genius?

Also, these people complain about getting stiffed on 20 dollar tips.  Yes I know that sucks, but I think a lot of these people have absolutely no clue about what real financial pain is.  Talk to the guy who spent decades working his ass off to pay off the mortgage to the house which he is going to sell so he can finally retire...only to watch the housing market implode and realize he just lost 300,000 dollars and will never be retiring.  Ask the salesman who loses a 10k commission he has spent months working for through no fault of his own how he feels about your crappy tips.  Ask the guy who poured his life savings into a new business only to see it go under, he has to declare bankruptcy and has no idea how he's going to support his kids.  Ask these people about what real financial pain is because you don't really know yet.  You are basically in the junior pee wee league of personal finance.
 
2013-02-12 07:40:25 PM
Wow, sure are lots of angry scullery maids/men on Fark.

Get a job that pays, or take a risk and start your own business.

Last time I didn't leave a tip? The dolt had a Obama button on.

I made sure she knew that that was just the icing, she forgot to put our order in promptly. Forgot to bring drinks. Forgot to check on our order, it got cold, was sent back (third time in my life, I sent food back, and I eat out atleast 4 nights a week).

I didn't forget to leave a tip, I also didn't pay the tab, I also complained to the teen aged "Manager".

/if i'm paying for it, i expect it to be decent
 
2013-02-12 07:43:56 PM
I NEVER TIP,,,,if they don't like it they can get a better job. I actually had a girl follow me out the building one time begging for a tip. Sad.....
 
2013-02-12 07:44:07 PM
never worked as a waiter, but...

tips are not what they make in addition to their normal wage. tips is what they earn; their paycheck is diminished by the taxes they pay. if you can't afford to leave 20%, you shouldn't be eating out. and you should leave at least 15% unless the service was really catastrophically atrocious, like the kind for which you'd need to talk to the manager about.

as for why do people work in such jobs? not sure why anyone would stay too long in them; the main advantage i see is the mobility--you can easily change jobs if you want to. but that's not really the business of the customer to decide that they're not going to pay someone. i personally find the business of being a funeral director kind of strange. does it mean that i can opt out of paying for my father's funeral (knocks wood) when that day comes? i may not approve of the iraq war, and certainly some soldiers signed up specifically just to fight in it---can i have their pay and benefits withheld because i feel that i'm doing something more noble?

people are a bunch of farksticks, and while i think going away from the tipping model is desirable, if you don't approve of the model, then find restaurants which pay the waiters well enough that they don't have tipping, or cook your own food. refusing to pay the waiters for their work is a pretty bad thing to do, and you should feel bad.
 
2013-02-12 07:44:59 PM
Came to see all the people telling the waitress to "get another job".

Left satisfied before I got ten posts in.

I encourage anyone to go try it before telling anyone in this economy to do it.
 
2013-02-12 07:45:20 PM

Southern100: If there was a problem waiter, you would have known about it already).


You sound like a douche.
 
2013-02-12 07:46:13 PM

weltallica: [www.listofimages.com image 850x531]

"Tip your AMERICAN server..."

Fixed that for you, subby.  Every other server on the planet get paid an hourly wage for it.



you need to get out more....

http://pocketcultures.com/2011/03/16/tipping-etiquette-around-the-wo rl d/
 
2013-02-12 07:49:53 PM
What a whiny biatch.
 
2013-02-12 07:51:17 PM

I agree with you: I NEVER TIP,,,,if they don't like it they can get a better job. I actually had a girl follow me out the building one time begging for a tip. Sad.....


You sound poor.
 
2013-02-12 07:55:14 PM
When did the standard tip increase from 15 to 20 % and more importantly why?

/Outlaw tipping and charge more for the meal.
 
2013-02-12 07:57:54 PM

I agree with you: I NEVER TIP,,,,if they don't like it they can get a better job. I actually had a girl follow me out the building one time begging for a tip. Sad.....


It's the societal norm to tip in restaurants.  Why go if you can't afford to tip or are "morally" against the practice?  If you do so, then why be surprised when you are considered a douche?  Are young, possibly under skilled, and/or itinerant servers the only people to whom you can feel superior and you relish that feeling?
 
2013-02-12 08:00:03 PM

proteus_b: if you don't approve of the model, then find restaurants which pay the waiters well enough that they don't have tipping


Yes, many Farkers patronize fast food establishments.
 
2013-02-12 08:00:34 PM

I agree with you: I NEVER TIP,,,,if they don't like it they can get a better job. I actually had a girl follow me out the building one time begging for a tip. Sad.....


I can't believe someone with such impeccable grammar would have such a closed mind.

/four superfluous commas?
//FOUR??
 
2013-02-12 08:01:48 PM

spickus: When did the standard tip increase from 15 to 20 % and more importantly why?

/Outlaw tipping and charge more for the meal.


I'm old enough to remember when the standard was 10%. Then 12%, then 15. Now they want 20. If they hold to the previous pattern, the next jump will be to 30 or more.
 
2013-02-12 08:02:28 PM

fastfxr: GET A DIFFERENT JOB, YOU WHINY WANKER.


The economy's in the crapper and it's all B. Hussein Osama's fault.
 
2013-02-12 08:06:25 PM

untaken_name: spickus: When did the standard tip increase from 15 to 20 % and more importantly why?

/Outlaw tipping and charge more for the meal.

I'm old enough to remember when the standard was 10%. Then 12%, then 15. Now they want 20. If they hold to the previous pattern, the next jump will be to 30 or more.


I'm at around 16-17, 20 if it's really good. Fark if I'm going to 30.
 
2013-02-12 08:09:41 PM

megarian: OgreMagi: megarian: OgreMagi: megarian: OgreMagi: megarian: Tip.

Just the tip.  To see how it feels.

Exaaaaaaactly.

I'm curious.  Are there guys who actually try this line on women?  And are there women who fall for it?

/addresses of the women would be useful
//for research purposes

I've been a bartender for a life time. No one has actually fallen for it. The ones that "have fallen for it" = hotdog + hallway.

Please see MySpace for details.

MySpace still exists?

You have to be * really* desperate. There's a logarithmic equation.


Well, I haven't had a date in over a month.  I might qualify.
 
2013-02-12 08:11:26 PM

kidgenius: untaken_name: spickus: When did the standard tip increase from 15 to 20 % and more importantly why?

/Outlaw tipping and charge more for the meal.

I'm old enough to remember when the standard was 10%. Then 12%, then 15. Now they want 20. If they hold to the previous pattern, the next jump will be to 30 or more.

I'm at around 16-17, 20 if it's really good. Fark if I'm going to 30.


I figure it at 15% If it's an inexpensive meal and the service was good I give more.
 
2013-02-12 08:15:47 PM
So---he be dead?
 
2013-02-12 08:17:21 PM

untaken_name: toomuchmarisa: Yes, it is disgusting. That's the whole point.

/not ashamed at all

You're not ashamed of attempted murder, but I'm supposed to be ashamed for not caving in to your attempted extortion? What kind of upside-down world do waiters inhabit?


No, you're not supposed to be ashamed of framing your interactions with a waiter as "extortion". You're supposed to enjoy your ballsack-beer, while we laugh at you. Or, as I suggested, just don't come back.

/not rocket science
 
2013-02-12 08:17:48 PM
I tip, but only if the service is good or above average.
What these crybabies should be doing, is evaluating their life, finding out why being a waiter/waitress
is the only job they can find & hold down.  Are their jobs in other towns that you could move to?
Did you waste your time & money getting inked & pierced?  Did you "party" when you should have
been studying in high school?  Did you drop out of school?  Did you get pregnant as a teen?
Maybe, instead of complaining about only making 2 bucks or more & hour, and complaining that
people, who worked hard, didn't party 24/7 or did other dopey things when they were young, and
made something out of their life, aren't tipping enough, you should buckle down and work at finding
a job that offers more than a few bucks an hour.
And no, I wasn't born with a silver spoon in my mouth.  I had loving parents that were strict on me,
made me study when others were out having a good time, I worked like a dog as a teenager,
got a degree in a field I love, and have been gainfully employed for over 32 years.
Not everything is given to you in life.  You have to EARN it.  I struggled when I was young, and
I have NO respect or sympathy for those that complain about their lot in life.  If you don't like it,
CHANGE IT!
 
2013-02-12 08:17:51 PM

skankboy: Southern100: If there was a problem waiter, you would have known about it already).

You sound like a douche.


Why, because I let the waiter know that the $30 steak I ordered Medium Rare was delivered Well Done? Or that the baked potato that I ordered with no salt was rolled in sea salt?  I have absolutely no problem with that at all, as I'm not shy.  If I'm going out to dinner, I want my food the way I ordered it, at least to SOME extent. Therefore, if I haven't informed the server that there's a problem with my order, then they can be reasonably assured that everything is satisfactory.

I'm not going to complain about little things like not enough salad dressing, or an empty drink glass (I'm sure they'll get around to filling it eventually), or too much butter on the bread, or crap like that; if it's edible, we'll eat, pay, tip & leave.  To me, though, a well done steak isn't edible. Undercook it a little, that's fine - but if it's cooked to the point it's dry as a bone, you can be damn sure I'll have them bring me another one.

If you're just going to eat what they bring you, why even bother ordering it a certain way?
 
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