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2013-02-12 05:13:43 PM  
If you don't like begging for hands outs, dont be a waiter
if you want to make more than min wage, don't be a waiter (YES, they make min wage if their tips don't cover. NO restraunt owners don't break federal laws to repress the young)


I only tip on first dates, because of social norms.. after that get wrecked.

I don't get $5 for great spreedsheets, I get my salery
 
2013-02-12 05:15:53 PM  

browntimmy: Here's a brilliant idea, pay them minimum wage and customers can tip $2-$5 extra if they feel like it. If McDonald's can afford to pay their workers minimum wage, Olive Garden can too without jacking up the price of noodles and sauce.


Yeah, yeah, yeah...

Here's the problem - the one thing that every single server is carefully avoiding to mention is that they don't want to work for minimum wage. They already know they're more than qualified to go to McDonald's and make $8 an hour. They want to make significantly more than that, so all of your arguments about paying the minimum wage are intentionally being ignored. Show me just ONE server or bartender on here who would be willing to work for 20-30% over minimum wage rather than stay with the current model.
 
2013-02-12 05:15:53 PM  

Jument: Yay, another tipping thread! Honestly, aren't we getting tired of this yet?


I'd hope so.

It's hilarious that they push tipping like it must be done in the US. Whereas in other countries it's basically an insult.
 
2013-02-12 05:16:39 PM  
I worked as a waiter for 7 years in high school, college, and shortly after.

It was hard work, but I made a crapton of money. It is one of the highest paid unskilled jobs out there that requires no education or training.

Complaining about the job is stupid. The waiters/waitresses who complained the most about tips usually sucked and had a bad attitude.

15% is plenty. I considered 18-20% a great tip when I did a great job. There is no need for the % to inflate because it is already a %.
 
2013-02-12 05:23:29 PM  

OgreMagi: megarian: OgreMagi: megarian: Tip.

Just the tip.  To see how it feels.

Exaaaaaaactly.

I'm curious.  Are there guys who actually try this line on women?  And are there women who fall for it?

/addresses of the women would be useful
//for research purposes


I've been a bartender for a life time. No one has actually fallen for it. The ones that "have fallen for it" = hotdog + hallway.

Please see MySpace for details.
 
2013-02-12 05:23:35 PM  

tbhouston: If you don't like begging for hands outs, dont be a waiter
if you want to make more than min wage, don't be a waiter (YES, they make min wage if their tips don't cover. NO restraunt owners don't break federal laws to repress the young)


I only tip on first dates, because of social norms.. after that get wrecked.

I don't get $5 for great spreedsheets spelling, I get my

salery

/you are welcome
//sieg heil and all that
 
2013-02-12 05:25:09 PM  

megarian: OgreMagi: megarian: OgreMagi: megarian: Tip.

Just the tip.  To see how it feels.

Exaaaaaaactly.

I'm curious.  Are there guys who actually try this line on women?  And are there women who fall for it?

/addresses of the women would be useful
//for research purposes

I've been a bartender for a life time. No one has actually fallen for it. The ones that "have fallen for it" = hotdog + hallway.

Please see MySpace for details.


MySpace still exists?
 
2013-02-12 05:25:11 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: Quit your biatching and tip your waitron...even if he or she sucks, give him or her 15%. If he or she rocks your table, give 20%

Either that or make your own goddamn supper.


This is exactly why we have crappy servers, they expect 15% for doing a shiate job. Good service, 20% is pretty standard for me but why would I give a terrible server 5% less than a server who did a great job.
Bill $100
Awesome server $100*.2=$20
Terrible server     $100*.15=$15
By your rule, on a $100 tab, the worst server in a restaurant should only get only $5 less than a server who worked their a** off to do a great job.

Are you employed as a sh*tty server? Running for president of the sh*tty server union maybe?
 
2013-02-12 05:26:03 PM  
1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-02-12 05:27:10 PM  

yelmrog: Tipping is the price you pay to eat like the nobility used to, to have people wait on you like servants.  Don't like it, don't eat at restaurants.


o'rly?

2.bp.blogspot.comwww.standard.co.uk
 
2013-02-12 05:27:38 PM  

ZeroPly: browntimmy: Here's a brilliant idea, pay them minimum wage and customers can tip $2-$5 extra if they feel like it. If McDonald's can afford to pay their workers minimum wage, Olive Garden can too without jacking up the price of noodles and sauce.

Yeah, yeah, yeah...

Here's the problem - the one thing that every single server is carefully avoiding to mention is that they don't want to work for minimum wage. They already know they're more than qualified to go to McDonald's and make $8 an hour. They want to make significantly more than that, so all of your arguments about paying the minimum wage are intentionally being ignored. Show me just ONE server or bartender on here who would be willing to work for 20-30% over minimum wage rather than stay with the current model.


This. When I was waiting tables/bartending almost full time back in college, I was making tons of money. I only wish I had saved more, but because the money was so easy, I didn't bother. And I think it's more of an issue about the type of server you are. A bartender (I actually pick up a few shifts a week for awesome extra cash) is going to pull in some nice loot regardless of how the customer tips. Unless there's no one there on a dead night, it all usually works out at the end of the night. You're going to be giving your good tippers more service (subconsciously or on purpose) and they are going to offset the few who don't tip (who should also get good service or else you wind up in a self-fulfilling prophecy). Same thing goes for a server in a more high end joint. Now if you're in a greasy spoon or a Dennys or something, I'm sure every customer counts as you might be lucky to get 10 a table. A stiffing is going to hurt you a lot more there.

But at any rate, I tip well no matter where I go. If you've worked in that industry it's easy to understand. If you haven't, I can see why a lot of people don't really get it.
 
2013-02-12 05:28:21 PM  
What's the deal with this phrase, "Hi, I'm So and so and I'll be helping you out this evening."

Is that just a Los Angeles thing with servers?
 
2013-02-12 05:29:39 PM  

res_nihil: I think everyone should be required to work a year or two at some service industry type job.


Not required, but overall I agree, but needs to include firefighter, EMT, or dispatcher or the like . Build a good sense of community and whatnot. Though I also think that if someone does 2 years of volunteer firefighter, EMT, or other job that someone is able to do (gotta be able to allow people with physical disabilities to take part), they should be allowed to go to their local community college to get their Associates tuition and fee free, if only to help people get on the right path to college or help pay for it for families who can't afford to send their kid to school right after high school. Spend the last couple years of high school doing some volunteer work, get the first two years of college free.

farkingatwork: It's hilarious that they push tipping like it must be done in the US. Whereas in other countries it's basically an insult.


Huh... didn't know that.
 
2013-02-12 05:30:54 PM  

fireclown: Before this goes all crazy, has anyone experimented with a restaurant where servers are just paid a decent wage to start with so that tipping wasn't necessary?


Yes: Europe. Result: shiatty service. Exception: Ehen the wait staff are also owners/family.
 
2013-02-12 05:32:42 PM  

PooperMcSlides: This is exactly why we have crappy servers, they expect 15% for doing a shiate job.


Ever done the job?
 
2013-02-12 05:34:08 PM  
What if we replaced all waiters and waitresses with self-service order terminals connected via network to the order tracking system at the bar/kitchen? And you enter your order and it's automatically transmitted and queued into the kitchen's order system. And when the bartender or cook finishes your order, they note it as completed in their tracking system, which is then reflected in your self-service terminal at your table.  Then you get up and go get it yourself.  When you're done, you pay at the self-service terminal as well.

There. I've just eliminated any need for a waiter or waitress or cashier, thereby cutting the costs significantly, while also increasing the efficiency and customer satisfaction of all medium to large restaurants.

Also, there's absolutely zero reason for a cashier/order-taker in an non full service restaurant.  All ordering should be self service, all payments should be self service.  Without self service you've entering a security liability into the financial transaction, while also entering a liability for entering the order wrongly.  WaWa knows what's up.
 
2013-02-12 05:35:29 PM  

fireclown: Before this goes all crazy, has anyone experimented with a restaurant where servers are just paid a decent wage to start with so that tipping wasn't necessary?


Yes. In fact here in Washington state they get their normal wages PLUS tips. They are still greedy pricks that think they are on par with Doctors and expect wages to match.

I would rather pay my tip directly to the cook and/or bartender because that guy/gal actually worked for it.

/These problems don't come up in high end restaurants in general
//Stop dining at Denny's and you can't biatch about crap service
///Olive Garden is NOT high-end regardless of what you whiny little snots think. Anyone that has a basic all-you-can-eat policy is a step above McDonalds and below Country Buffet.
////Slashies!
 
2013-02-12 05:36:47 PM  

OgreMagi: megarian: OgreMagi: megarian: OgreMagi: megarian: Tip.

Just the tip.  To see how it feels.

Exaaaaaaactly.

I'm curious.  Are there guys who actually try this line on women?  And are there women who fall for it?

/addresses of the women would be useful
//for research purposes

I've been a bartender for a life time. No one has actually fallen for it. The ones that "have fallen for it" = hotdog + hallway.

Please see MySpace for details.

MySpace still exists?


You have to be * really* desperate. There's a logarithmic equation.
 
2013-02-12 05:38:24 PM  
I've been walking since i was 4 years old

maybe do a job that cant be done by a 4 year old?

OMG you walked..and than, omg you walked back.. tell it again
 
2013-02-12 05:40:58 PM  
www.gothiclegends.co.uk

/what over tipping looks like... or is it tipping over?
 
2013-02-12 05:41:05 PM  
I did not want to weigh in on this, but if I pay by credit I often tip cash so that the server gets the money right away. It's possible that the tips left on the table left in someones elses pocket.
 
2013-02-12 05:41:16 PM  
You're not impressing me when you don't write down my order. I don't care if you maintain eye contact; I care that I don't get pickles on my burger. If you think that maintaining eye contact is going to ensure you a better tip than getting my order right you are fully mistaken.
 
2013-02-12 05:43:10 PM  

Stimpy's new tooth: 2KanZam: Working in the restaurant business is really tough and can be a whole lotta work.


....and if you don't like it then get a farking education or skill and make a living by doing something you won't biatch about.  I did...as did most I know

/Don't complain about something that you can change

OK, just to give you guys a different perspective:

I'm a single mother.  I work for a university as a business manager.  I have a master's degree and fifteen years' experience in my field.  I also bar tend part time on the weekends in a 'gentleman's club' because I am my sole source of income--no support or help from the ex at all (married for 8 years).  So, I could live in a snake pit and not provide a reasonably comfortable existence for myself and my daughter, or I could use what hotness I have left to make a little scratch on the side to live well.

So to all of you narrow-minded, tunnel-visioned Mr. Magoo's who can't see past their own experiences, people like me often work in service jobs because they need a SECOND source of income to supplement, and that job needs to have different hours than the OTHER job I have that provides my family with insurance, benefits, etc.

If you can't afford to tip, you can't afford to go out.  Stay home.

And you are supposed to tip the staff if you get take out from a restaurant.  Do you know that the servers have to pay taxes on a minimum of 8% of their sales?  So, if you stiff them, they still have to pay taxes on money they didn't even earn.

Thanks a lot to those of you who have the class to take care of those who take care of you!!  And to the rest of you, I hope someone puts Visine in your rum and coke.


need moar profile pic plox
 
2013-02-12 05:44:20 PM  
If these threads (and real life) weren't full of assholes telling servers to get a better job, or telling all of us how much their job sucks by comparison so everybody should just put up with whatever shiat their employer decides to dish out, I might be inclined to tell the servers to suck it up.

But there are assholes everywhere, assholing all over everything, so I'm on the side of the servers.

I guess for most people, making unreasonable demands in a restaurant is the only bit of real power they'll ever have. Maybe we should feel sorry for them that the only way they can feel important is to heap abuse on the lowly restaurant workers.
 
2013-02-12 05:48:39 PM  
I thought being paid less than minimum wage is ILLEGAL?

Tips are optional, not obligated. If you receive a tip, say thanks, if not, don't hold a grudge against the customers. It's not only the server who is having a hard time in life. Just because somebody's a customer of a restaurant doesn't mean he exactly has that much throwaway money or doesn't have a lot of bills to pay where the tip money could be better used.

Reading that write-up made me feel stressed and out of breath, probably due to its lack of proper punctuations.

Why was the hero tag used again? I think it's time we had an "Angry Worker" tag.
 
2013-02-12 05:49:44 PM  

tbhouston: I've been walking since i was 4 years old

maybe do a job that cant be done by a 4 year old?

OMG you walked..and than, omg you walked back.. tell it again


I feel this way about mailmen.
 
2013-02-12 05:54:51 PM  

fastfxr: GET A DIFFERENT JOB, YOU WHINY WANKER.


No one is forcing you to do this.

Go work on a farm or ranch....then come back and whine.

/Sorry...can't stand people whining about something they have 100% power to change.


Oh, I know this game!

"I'm unemployed and can't make ends meet."
"Well then get a job waiting tables, you farking knob!"

"Okay, I got a crappy job waiting tables and I still can't make ends meet."
"You get no sympathy from me! Why don't you get a read job!?"

Apparently you don't have any employment problems in your world (because farms, apparently). In the world the rest of us live in, jobs are in short supply and someone has to get stuck with the crap jobs.  Since you're one of the lucky ones who doesn't have to do that, it seems strange for you to dump on the people who aren't so lucky.

In my own case, I'm grateful that I've got a good job and I don't feel put out by the thought of sharing my good fortune with the person who's bringing me my food. I really don't get the sort of outrage that you are, apparently, feeling. It strikes me as a strange form of indignation.
 
2013-02-12 05:54:57 PM  
My mother managed to raise two kids by herself in Hawaii (very expensive) on food and beverage wages and tips. She always put the customer first and expected nothing. She did very well for herself with ONE job and two kids.

She was expected to provide a service in that job and she did so. Tips were a recognition of that job well done. Tips were never counted on nor expected, she did her job well because it was the right thing to do.

Work ethics have changed a lot in the last 30 years. Now we got the snowflakes in service and they expect participation rewards just for showing up to the job alive.
 
2013-02-12 06:00:22 PM  

Treygreen13: I tip, and I tip well.

But goddamnit I don't need a reminder about how much your job sucks.


I dream of a job where the most complicated thing I have to figure out every day is who ordered the Coke with no ice.
 
2013-02-12 06:01:26 PM  

ReverendJynxed: My mother managed to raise two kids by herself in Hawaii (very expensive) on food and beverage wages and tips. She always put the customer first and expected nothing. She did very well for herself with ONE job and two kids.

She was expected to provide a service in that job and she did so. Tips were a recognition of that job well done. Tips were never counted on nor expected, she did her job well because it was the right thing to do.

Work ethics have changed a lot in the last 30 years. Now we got the snowflakes in service and they expect participation rewards just for showing up to the job alive.


A lot of THIS
 
2013-02-12 06:03:37 PM  
I don't have enough friends to be 10 at a table because I'm a bit of a goofball. But I'll be damned if I'm going to tip someone who just charged me $2 for water over beans by turning around and working a machine.
 
2013-02-12 06:03:45 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: PooperMcSlides: This is exactly why we have crappy servers, they expect 15% for doing a shiate job.

Ever done the job?


Absolutely I have, it got me through school and I hated it because you have to put up with a lot of crap which is why for good service (not even great), I tip 20%. I get it, it can suck but like so many people have pointed out, there are lots of other difficult low paying jobs that don't provide tips.

My point earlier was like in any other job, the best people should be rewarded better. If I am the worst waiter in a restaurant or the worst lawyer in a law firm, I should expect that my compensation will be significantly worse than the best person in that job. Reward hard work and a job well done, not just showing up.

That boarderline crazy old man rant aside, I get that it is tough job and depending on the customers, it can be downright miserable.
 
2013-02-12 06:07:19 PM  
boo farking hoo
 
2013-02-12 06:08:31 PM  
I tip a lot, and if you don't for good service, you're an asshole.
It's pretty simple.

Also, ChipNasa is bag of dicks.
 
2013-02-12 06:10:46 PM  

burning_bridge: TheSwissNavy: Only a white person would refer to $9/hour as "slave wages".  Slaves were generally paid a lot less, like, zero.

And it's not so simple that servers t make $2.65 an hour - if their tips don't bring their gross up to minimum wage,they are paid minimum wage. Which isn't much, but when the Democrats had control of Congress with a filibuster-proof Senate, and the Presidency, from July 2010 to January 2012, they didn't bother fixing this. Or anything.

/wanker

You obviously never heard of Blue Dog Democrats, have you?  They're Republicans who for some reason are Democrats.  They also held up a lot of things during that time.  One of them held up Obamacare for a long time due to his, and since your Repub you're going to have a hard time believing this one, strong anti-abortion stance.  Coupled with the overall spinelessness of the party in general, no not a lot got done.

And $9 an hour is not slave wages.  It's substance-level survival wages, with roommates depending on where you live.  I guess yeah, that is different.  So hey, I agree with you!  Ain't that something?


They're Republicans who for some reason are Democrats

LOL!!!

You need to spend more time on the Fark Politics tab.
 
2013-02-12 06:11:24 PM  
A always tip my server well for the food she gives me.

And by "server", I mean prostitue.
And by "food", I mean sex.
 
2013-02-12 06:11:34 PM  

PooperMcSlides: Absolutely I have, it got me through school and I hated it because you have to put up with a lot of crap which is why for good service (not even great), I tip 20%. I get it, it can suck but like so many people have pointed out, there are lots of other difficult low paying jobs that don't provide tips.


Twenty percent has been the normal, expected tip for a while now. Going to have to up it to 30% for good service.
 
2013-02-12 06:15:14 PM  

Litig8r: If being a waitress is such a lousy job, why do so many people do it?  And why have so many people done it over the years -- regardless of the economy which, I admit, is crap right now.


I'm sure it was because they felt the medical/legal/engineering/name-any-other-profession-where-you-needed-t o-apply-yourself-in-your-education-years-here fields were already saturated with talented workers...so they decided to slum it for awhile and wait tables.

Seriously, life is a continuous process.  If the moment sucks, and you find yourself in that moment repeatedly, you can look to your past for the cause and your future for the solution...because unless you're an actual slave, the present is 100% your own doing.  Next time you're a kid in class, sit down, shut up and learn.  Get an education and put up with the crap (including, possibly, waiting tables) until you get one.  Otherwise, enjoy the rest of your life suffering through the crap.
 
2013-02-12 06:16:56 PM  
I generally tip 20%, never leaving less than $5.  I do pretty ok financially these days, but I certainly recall working for minimum wage earlier in my life.
 
2013-02-12 06:18:02 PM  
Get a real education, one that has jobs. If you are just studying what you like then you have failed at understanding the point of education.
 
2013-02-12 06:22:55 PM  
Some 'Splainin' To Do: Apparently you don't have any employment problems in your world (because farms, apparently). In the world the rest of us live in, jobs are in short supply and someone has to get stuck with the crap jobs.  Since you're one of the lucky ones who doesn't have to do that, it seems strange for you to dump on the people who aren't so lucky.

In my own case, I'm grateful that I've got a good job and I don't feel put out by the thought of sharing my good fortune with the person who's bringing me my food. I really don't get the sort of outrage that you are, apparently, feeling. It strikes me as a strange form of indignation.


Hm.  I live in the United States where the unemployment rate is around 7.9% and within the past 45 days I've gotten not one but two full time positions and am working them both.

I'll suggest that being employable and finding a job has less to do with being "lucky" and more to do with the skills you possess, the quality of those skills and your willingness to acquire, maintain and refine the skills that employers need and are looking for.
 
2013-02-12 06:24:45 PM  
Former server here.  I waited tables for about four years at a variety of mid-range family places.  It can be stressful, especially when things are going south.  I used to have nightmares about "being in the weeds" for years after I stopped.  In those 4 years, however, I got stiffed maybe three times - twice by teenagers and once by an old man who should have known better.  This article is nice, but complete fiction.

I tip 20% if everything is great, 15% if I feel things were sub-par.
 
2013-02-12 06:26:29 PM  

Taima: Wow, what a bunch of cheap bastards in this thread.  Is giving a few extra bucks to your server (or person from another service profession) really going to hurt you?   If so, then who really needs to get another job?


But be honest, "a couple of bucks" isn't 20%, unless you only order $10 worth of food.

When I take my family out to dinner, our bill is usually around $60.  20% of that is $12.00.  We're usually there for an hour, from the time we sit down to the time we leave (sometimes less).  That means that server just made a minimum of $12.00/hour FROM ME. (Because I typically do tip 20%. I'll tip more if the server just keeps our drinks refilled and doesn't talk. I hate being asked "how is everything?"  --  If there was a problem waiter, you would have known about it already).

But anyway - so the server just made $12.00/hour off me. Plus no telling how many other diners.  Even if they get the occasional non-tipper, they're STILL going to make out like bandits at the end of the night.

My own daughters have both been waitresses at various restaurants, and they've both told me there's never been a night they didn't walk out with at least $100 in tips after a full night, and sometimes as much as $300. (And that's from no where near as many tables as this author apparently had).

It doesn't take many diners to pull out $100 in tips, even at only $5 a table.  Even on a 5 hour shift, that works out to only 2 tables per hour.

So I don't think it's a question of "20%", but "how much does your server think they deserve per hour"?

Because any server that isn't making at least $10/hour on average needs to find a different restaurant.
 
2013-02-12 06:26:57 PM  

Thisbymaster: Get a real education, one that has jobs. If you are just studying what you like then you have failed at understanding the point of education.


No. There's absolutely nothing wrong with studying whatever you like, provided you don't assume this entitles you to a job.

The problem is if you expect to get a job without any real forethought or planning.
I don't care what your parents, teachers, high-school guidance counsellor, or "society" told you. If you're not smart enough to see that a degree in English Lit or Philosophy isn't exactly the path to a successful career, then you get what you deserve.
 
2013-02-12 06:31:14 PM  
Okay, serious tipping question here:

Assuming the service is essentially fine each time, should I tip at Starbucks each time I order my usual latte? I typically get one every other day or so.

I notice that most people don't put anything in the tip jar. Are they being labelled as stiffs by the staff? Or is tipping just generally less expected at coffee shops than at restaurants?
 
2013-02-12 06:32:51 PM  
After sharing my tips with hosts, bussers, and bartenders, I make less than $9 an hour on average, before taxes.

You need to find a better restaurant to work at. I averaged $20+ an hour when I waited tables and was among the low earners because I was new and always got the crappy section.

It's hard, demanding work if you do it right. But it should pay well if you're doing it right.
 
2013-02-12 06:34:14 PM  
Having heard out the case for not tipping, I'm inclined to tip even more in the future. My take away from all this is that the act of not tipping is but a small gesture born of a greater integrated credo of being an all around asshole with perhaps a little bit of anger issues thrown in to boot.
 
2013-02-12 06:36:42 PM  

WhippingBoy: A always tip my server well for the food she gives me.

And by "server", I mean prostitue.
And by "food", I mean sex.


What do you mean by "tip"?
 
2013-02-12 06:40:17 PM  

MagSeven: WhippingBoy: A always tip my server well for the food she gives me.

And by "server", I mean prostitue.
And by "food", I mean sex.

What do you mean by "tip"?


*sobs*
 
2013-02-12 06:41:09 PM  

ChipNASA: "Just the tip..."


Just for a second. Just to see how it feels.
 
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