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2013-02-12 03:49:16 PM  
You know why I don't wait tables into my 20's? Only someone truly desperate would work a job that doesn't guarantee hours OR pay. That being said, I tip 20% and round up. I'm not cheap enough to stiff anyone out of a dollar.
 
2013-02-12 03:49:30 PM  

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2013-02-12 03:50:02 PM  

JesusJuice: Dancin_In_Anson: JesusJuice: I never tip and neither should you.

I suggest that you don't visit the same establishment more than once every year or two.

I always inspect my food for contaminants and if I think anything is off, I speak to a manager.  I will also speak to a manager if I feel I'm not getting good service just because I refuse to tip.  Only one place has ever told me I wasn't welcome, everywhere else has been very accommodating.


...and I think that tipping 15-20% is well worth it to live in a world where I don't have to inspect my food for contaminants or be asked not to return.
 
2013-02-12 03:50:05 PM  

lennavan: thismomentinblackhistory: If you don't tip, we usually start slow -- we'll make a comment or stop opening your beer.

I always get a kick out of bartenders specifically.  You opened a beer, so clearly you deserve $1.

No need to kick me out.  If a bartender ever commented on not getting a tip for opening a beer, I'd leave.  The place is clearly run by assholes.


I'm serving the guy who leaves a dollar every time first, and the guy who never leaves a dollar last. The guy who leaves one here and there doesn't even pop up on my radar. Bottled beer drinkers take 5 seconds to serve. The fact that they leave so quickly and ask so little of you can be tip enough.
 
2013-02-12 03:50:10 PM  
I always make sure to tip your mom.

Yeah, ALL of your moms.

Believe me, they/she do more than enough to earn it.
 
2013-02-12 03:50:44 PM  

PJ-: At the same fact, I show up with a date and have a meal that last 30 minutes, but the bill comes to me saying $100. Why the hell would anybody deserve making $30 an hour off me alone.


Exactly.  If I go to a restaurant for a 5 minute meal and the bill comes to $3,000, why the hell would anyone deserve to make $9,000/hour?  Our examples are totally reasonable.
 
2013-02-12 03:50:46 PM  
I must be fortunate.  None of my friends are horses asses who refuse to tip well.  Makes going out to dinner much more pleasant.
 
2013-02-12 03:51:07 PM  

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I worked in the service industry for years. Stories like this are just preaching to the choir - you're not going to convince anyone that specifically avoids tipping.

My advice to people who don't tip: Yes, you're completely within your legal rights to do so. However, do not EVER go back to the same place again. I guarantee that there will be something in your food or drink that you won't like... and you probably won't be aware of it at all.

/our bartender used to dip his manky, sweaty balls into cheap peoples' beer
//i actually prayed for some people not to tip me
///wouldn't feel guilty then
////and he was the NICE one
//two words: rat poop


That is farking disgusting and you should be ashamed.
 
2013-02-12 03:51:20 PM  

JesusJuice: I always inspect my food for contaminants and if I think anything is off, I speak to a manager. I will also speak to a manager if I feel I'm not getting good service just because I refuse to tip. Only one place has ever told me I wasn't welcome, everywhere else has been very accommodating.


Aren't you special...
 
2013-02-12 03:51:55 PM  

ChipNASA: /flame on


maybe the point was that white people are just lousy tippers.
 
2013-02-12 03:52:17 PM  
people that don't tip should be horsewhipped. i've been in fistfights and broken up with friends over it. I've gone back the next day to tip $60 bucks out of my own pocket after finding out the sanctimonious biatch that collected our cash didn't bothering calculating a tip. I will GET IN YA FACE about it. I've had shouting matches with black people over not tipping.right there in the restaurant. IDGAF if it's Waffle House, leave a good tip

But they don't generally need to be horsewhipped because the Curse of the Waitress is very, very real, oh yes it is...
 
2013-02-12 03:52:18 PM  
Hah hah, I once had a job delivering pizza, all cash, and I was also paid pogey.

/ for four weeks.
/ and then I got a real job and had to pay back the four week's work of pogey.
 
2013-02-12 03:52:35 PM  
Get a job that pays at least minimum wage?  I would not work any job that paid $2.65 an hour.
 
2013-02-12 03:52:59 PM  
Fun fact:  servers must make at least the minimum wage (7.25 an hour), but tips are included in the calculations.  If a server doesn't get tips, their employer must increase their pay accordingly.
 
2013-02-12 03:53:05 PM  
It's not this bad. Jesus, that article makes it sound like no one ever tips. These walkouts are rare. I owned a down-market bar/restaurant. We served working poor blue collar people and lots of convicted criminals. Even in that environment, half of the drinks and 90% of the food service ended up drawing a tip.
 
2013-02-12 03:53:33 PM  

thismomentinblackhistory: Madbassist1: thismomentinblackhistory: God damn tipping thread. I love working for a small business, one of the busiest bars in town.

If you don't tip, we usually start slow -- we'll make a comment or stop opening your beer. Three strikes and we either cut you off or kick you out, because we reserve the right to refuse service for any reason. Not tipping? You're a dick. And you can leave.

LOL dont tell the owner or you'll be the one going out the door, asshole.

Not likely. Corporate restaurants have ruined customers expectations. People think they can go wherever they want and act however they want and that nobody will call them out on it. We don't put up with any shiat, and the numbers we put up on a fricking Tuesday are what most in this town would kill for on a Saturday.

If we don't like you, we don't serve you. We don't need 14 frat boys screaming for bud lights and ruining the place just because they have money. They can go be farks somewhere else.


You might think its not likely. I'd be willing to say you're likely wrong. If I found out my employees were bouncing my paying customers because they weren't getting their (not required) cut, I'd can them so fast it would make their head spin. I think most business men would as well. I also find that pretty generally, employees almost always overestimate their worth to the business...as you are doing right now. Trust me, if the owner canned you and hired someone else you might be missed for a month...maybe two, but it will survive.
 
2013-02-12 03:54:03 PM  
If you don't want to be a server, maybe you should have finished high school. Or maybe they should of did what all the other high school drops out I knew did, become cops.
 
2013-02-12 03:54:05 PM  

udhq: It offends me the number of servers I know who make more money than the teachers I know. And yet few people complain about their jobs more than servers.


Teachers complain more about their jobs than any other group of people on the planet.  I'll leave the room if more than three of them start talking to each other.
 
2013-02-12 03:54:23 PM  

Publikwerks: and I think that tipping 15-20% is well worth it to live in a world where I don't have to inspect my food for contaminants or be asked not to return.


Plus the fact he's not making people pay to serve him.

You know, JesusJuice, your little one man rant against a system that you think is broken does little more than make you a dickhead. Funny how you expect to be treated better than the others you interact with too.
 
2013-02-12 03:54:46 PM  
You know who nobody ever thinks of, the guy who's dating the owner's daughter, and so he can dog it the whole time, just sort of look like he's working, and lord it over everyone, and he knows that they don't like him, man, I mean, it gets to him...right here.
 
2013-02-12 03:55:01 PM  
He keeps his tips.

chabadjapan.org
 
2013-02-12 03:55:42 PM  
I like tipping people who dont expect it.
Gas Jockey
Meat store guy
Adult Novelty store lady.
dollar store owner


they were all shocked when I tipped them and seemed to appreciate it WAY more then the servers who often dont even do anything other then a basic form of their job
 
2013-02-12 03:55:43 PM  

Ladeeda: Get a job that pays at least minimum wage?  I would not work any job that paid $2.65 an hour.


You can make $750-$1200 in cash (tax free if you want) working 5 days a week where I work. It's legalized drug dealing. Paychecks? Those are those pieces of paper I forget to take to the bank.
 
2013-02-12 03:55:57 PM  

NathanAllen: Also, don't forget the Server doesn't clear the table as stated in the article; the busboy does that, even at diners.


All depends on where you go.  Most places I go waitresses do it all. Or maybe it's a regional thing.

Greasy spoon diners to Red Lobster/TGI Fridays sort of places.(Yeah, I'm not rich, not eating at the "real" classy places, not that there are any places like that for hundreds of miles)

In my whole life, in several states and even the UK, a busboy was a very rare thing.  Your absolute about busboys is preposterous.

As an aside:
I do feel bad when there's a shift change mid meal, and "my" waitress has gone.  I tend not to tip much in that situation, the new gal did nothing extraordinary to earn it, she could be(and often is) plain biatchy, not at work 5 minutes and huffing when a patron asks for anything.

Maybe that's a thing and waitresses should do warm-ups or something.
 
2013-02-12 03:56:16 PM  

potterydove: Fun fact:  servers must make at least the minimum wage (7.25 an hour), but tips are included in the calculations.  If a server doesn't get tips, their employer must increase their pay accordingly.


Fun fact:  If no one tipped at all and the owners had to pay minimum wage/whatever wage, the prices of the food would go up across the board so you'd be paying it anyway.

Stiffing wait staff for no reason now is just being a greedy prick and isn't justified in the least.
 
2013-02-12 03:56:29 PM  
They should start a game show on this. Hidden cameras. If the waiter claims the exact amount they make on tips and report it correctly to the manager, they get a huge bonus/raise/promotion, etc. If they lie, they get arrested for tax fraud.

I just want to see a lot of people get arrested.
 
2013-02-12 03:57:08 PM  

Madbassist1: thismomentinblackhistory: Madbassist1: thismomentinblackhistory: God damn tipping thread. I love working for a small business, one of the busiest bars in town.

If you don't tip, we usually start slow -- we'll make a comment or stop opening your beer. Three strikes and we either cut you off or kick you out, because we reserve the right to refuse service for any reason. Not tipping? You're a dick. And you can leave.

LOL dont tell the owner or you'll be the one going out the door, asshole.

Not likely. Corporate restaurants have ruined customers expectations. People think they can go wherever they want and act however they want and that nobody will call them out on it. We don't put up with any shiat, and the numbers we put up on a fricking Tuesday are what most in this town would kill for on a Saturday.

If we don't like you, we don't serve you. We don't need 14 frat boys screaming for bud lights and ruining the place just because they have money. They can go be farks somewhere else.

You might think its not likely. I'd be willing to say you're likely wrong. If I found out my employees were bouncing my paying customers because they weren't getting their (not required) cut, I'd can them so fast it would make their head spin. I think most business men would as well. I also find that pretty generally, employees almost always overestimate their worth to the business...as you are doing right now. Trust me, if the owner canned you and hired someone else you might be missed for a month...maybe two, but it will survive.


At what point did I say we are doing anything other than what he wants? It's his business. He doesn't want assholes there. He's been in business for over 20 years, owns damn near every building on the block. It's his sandbox.
 
2013-02-12 03:57:36 PM  

fireclown: Before this goes all crazy, has anyone experimented with a restaurant where servers are just paid a decent wage to start with so that tipping wasn't necessary?


Yes.  In Japan.  The servers are genuinely happy to see you and serve you your food correctly.  Why? Because a happy customer is a repeat customer and repeat customers mean the restaurant stays open and they keep their jobs.
 
2013-02-12 03:57:46 PM  

Farce-Side: Wasn't this the plot to that movie "Waiting" with Ryan Reynolds and that other guy?  What is that guys name?


Justin Long article is Justin Long
 
2013-02-12 03:57:49 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: diabloninja: Threats of having your food spit in, extorting money from people for over 50 years.

Well, look at it like this. You know what the situation is for these folks. If you frequent a place and are intentionally a dickhead to these people, sooner or later the possibility exists that someone will respond in kind.

Don't be a dickhead.


They are making at least minimum wage (if working for an enterprise business) so they don't get any sympathy from me about not being tipped.  I don't like tipping being expected, if all a server does is take my order, refill my drink once, and drop off the check, why am I paying them $5-6?  A lot of chain places have runners bring out the food, and the interaction with the waiter is minimal.

Not tipping isn't a dick move, unless the service was great.  My disagreement with the social norm is that I'm expected to give 20% regardless of what happened during the meal.  I refuse to tip for bad or average service, and I won't go back because I know people like that are petty, immature children who would spit in someone's food because the last time they dined, the server didn't get what they wanted.
 
2013-02-12 03:58:26 PM  
Honest question: does every server always claim their tips as taxable income?
 
2013-02-12 03:58:58 PM  

thismomentinblackhistory: Ladeeda: Get a job that pays at least minimum wage?  I would not work any job that paid $2.65 an hour.

You can make $750-$1200 in cash (tax free if you want) working 5 days a week where I work. It's legalized drug dealing. Paychecks? Those are those pieces of paper I forget to take to the bank.


LOL you dont bother to cash your check, but throw people out for not tipping you for a beer. You're a goddamned genius, Gump.
 
2013-02-12 03:59:24 PM  

JesusJuice: Dancin_In_Anson: JesusJuice: I never tip and neither should you.

I suggest that you don't visit the same establishment more than once every year or two.

I always inspect my food for contaminants and if I think anything is off, I speak to a manager.  I will also speak to a manager if I feel I'm not getting good service just because I refuse to tip.  Only one place has ever told me I wasn't welcome, everywhere else has been very accommodating.


Jesus (no pun intended), what a poster child for a cheap, entitlement snowflake.
 
2013-02-12 03:59:27 PM  

Englebert Slaptyback: You pause, you pause, you breathe, you stow the panic about the rent and the bills that is in your throat like acid, you breathe, and then you


...try to figure out where the hell you went wrong in your life to end up in such an untenable position so you can fix whatever the hell it is so you can have a real job where you don't need to worry about making rent.



That's a bullshiat copout. There are millions of people doing that job, and we need millions of people to do that job unless no one wants to eat at restaurants anymore. They do work very hard and your condescension doesn't change the fact that a perfectly valid and legal profession is exempt from minimum wage laws because labor unions have been devastated across the country and the average worker has no one with power to advocate for them.

We should not allow this garbage to continue. At the very least the exemption of minimum wage needs to be rescinded. But really we need to pay people who work ANY legal job a goddamn living wage already. The destruction of the wealth and income of the majority of Americans has gone on for far too long already.

Holier than thou bullshiat about how menial their jobs are compared to ours doesn't change those basic facts.
 
2013-02-12 04:00:03 PM  

Solid State Vittles: fireclown: Before this goes all crazy, has anyone experimented with a restaurant where servers are just paid a decent wage to start with so that tipping wasn't necessary?

Go ask Japan, Australia, Sweden, and all of those other socialist cesspools.


Some years ago, during my Navy days, a few of us from the same ship were in a bar/pub in Australia where we ate lunch and had a couple of beers.

Of course, out of habit, we left a tip for the server.

Some 'bloke' followed us out of the bar demanding that we take our "tip" money back. The Marine in our group ended up taking the money back in and giving it to the server anyway.

It almost started a street brawl, which would have been bad news all around.
 
2013-02-12 04:00:08 PM  

thismomentinblackhistory: At what point did I say we are doing anything other than what he wants? It's his business. He doesn't want assholes there.


Well he's got one working his bar, so apparently not.
 
2013-02-12 04:00:19 PM  
OK. I am a heavy tipper and the servers love me. I am easy, have my mind made up quickly, and rarely ask for advice on choices. 
But seriously, I worked my way up from being homeless and in construction for $4.25/hr to where I am now. I still tip well and will always do so.
If you are unhappy in your job GO DO SOMETHING ELSE! EDUCATION IS EVERYWHERE!
 
2013-02-12 04:00:38 PM  

2KanZam: Working in the restaurant business is really tough and can be a whole lotta work.


....and if you don't like it then get a farking education or skill and make a living by doing something you won't biatch about.  I did...as did most I know

/Don't complain about something that you can change


OK, just to give you guys a different perspective:

I'm a single mother.  I work for a university as a business manager.  I have a master's degree and fifteen years' experience in my field.  I also bar tend part time on the weekends in a 'gentleman's club' because I am my sole source of income--no support or help from the ex at all (married for 8 years).  So, I could live in a snake pit and not provide a reasonably comfortable existence for myself and my daughter, or I could use what hotness I have left to make a little scratch on the side to live well.

So to all of you narrow-minded, tunnel-visioned Mr. Magoo's who can't see past their own experiences, people like me often work in service jobs because they need a SECOND source of income to supplement, and that job needs to have different hours than the OTHER job I have that provides my family with insurance, benefits, etc.

If you can't afford to tip, you can't afford to go out.  Stay home.

And you are supposed to tip the staff if you get take out from a restaurant.  Do you know that the servers have to pay taxes on a minimum of 8% of their sales?  So, if you stiff them, they still have to pay taxes on money they didn't even earn.

Thanks a lot to those of you who have the class to take care of those who take care of you!!  And to the rest of you, I hope someone puts Visine in your rum and coke.
 
2013-02-12 04:01:06 PM  

diabloninja: I refuse to tip for bad or average service, and I won't go back because I know people like that are petty, immature children who would spit in someone's food because the last time they dined, the server didn't get what they wanted.


I've worked in restaurants and bars my whole life. I had a few real jobs in there, but when those fall through (got downsized last year), it's a good skill to fall back on. I have NEVER seen someone's food messed with. There is nothing a customer can do to warrant that. Maybe armed robbery -- but then again, they'd be armed.
 
2013-02-12 04:01:13 PM  

fireclown: Before this goes all crazy, has anyone experimented with a restaurant where servers are just paid a decent wage to start with so that tipping wasn't necessary?


But that would cut into the profit of the restaurant owner.  Honestly I cant think of another business model where the patrons pay the employees wages directly.  How do the European countries do it?

I tip good where deserved and not so good for shiat service.  I don't penalize the server if it is the kitchen screw up.  I am smart enough to know the difference.
 
2013-02-12 04:01:36 PM  

Kanemano: No one thinks about the dishwasher, he there before the servers show up and he's there when they leave, he makes no tips, but he still has to pay rent, gets truly minimum wage with nothing extra except a sandwich at the end of the night.

where is his essay?


I've worked at a bunch of restaurants, and all of them started the dishwashers at at least $10 an hour. So nice try, but no.
 
2013-02-12 04:02:52 PM  
After sharing my tips with hosts, bussers, and bartenders, I make less than $9 an hour on average, before taxes.

Yeah but you had more fun in High School than me.

So you got that going for you. Which is nice.
 
2013-02-12 04:02:59 PM  

stonicus: Taima: Wow, what a bunch of cheap bastards in this thread.  Is giving a few extra bucks to your server (or person from another service profession) really going to hurt you?   If so, then who really needs to get another job?

MmmCrime: kidgenius: MmmCrime: Look at the hourly pay rate on a pay stub for most servers. You'll then understand why you're wrong.

Their rate, including tips, must be >=$7.25 an hour.  This is federal law.  Some states are higher.

That is the rate at which they are taxed at if they're assumed to have made more than $30 in a month. Which means you can work the entire month, make $50 on top of the $424 you would bring in in wages, and then you're taxed as if you're making $7.25 an hr, or $1160 a month

kidgenius may be your name, but call someone you know who is a server and have them explain it to you.

If you brought in $424 ($2.65/hour @ 40 hours/week @ 4 weeks/month) and $50 in tips on top of that, then your employers has to pay you an additional $686 out of his pocket to put you at $1160/month ($7.25/hour).  That's federal law.  If you earn less than minimum wage, then your employer must make up the difference.  That is the law.  If your employers haven't been doing this to you, then you got screwed and your employers have broken the law.


Good luck with making that happen.
 
2013-02-12 04:02:59 PM  

Madbassist1: thismomentinblackhistory: Ladeeda: Get a job that pays at least minimum wage?  I would not work any job that paid $2.65 an hour.

You can make $750-$1200 in cash (tax free if you want) working 5 days a week where I work. It's legalized drug dealing. Paychecks? Those are those pieces of paper I forget to take to the bank.

LOL you dont bother to cash your check, but throw people out for not tipping you for a beer. You're a goddamned genius, Gump.


The point is that the base wage doesn't really matter. I'm not driving 30 minutes to deposit $70 bucks or something. I'll wait until I have 3 or 4 of them. No, you don't automatically get kicked out for not tipping. We're too busy to even notice most of the time. But if you mark yourself as a consistent non-tipper, you won't need AA to quit drinking at our bar. You're just dead to us.
 
2013-02-12 04:04:03 PM  

thismomentinblackhistory: I've worked in restaurants and bars my whole life. I had a few real jobs in there, but when those fall through (got downsized last year), it's a good skill to fall back on. I have NEVER seen someone's food messed with. There is nothing a customer can do to warrant that. Maybe armed robbery -- but then again, they'd be armed.


This.

Somebody sent something back to me over the weekend. They were like, "I'm really apprehensive to do this, because I've heard stories about what happens in the back." I did my best to assure them that -- from my experience, at least -- this is mythical. I couldn't conceive of messing with someone's food,
 
2013-02-12 04:04:44 PM  

thismomentinblackhistory: lennavan: thismomentinblackhistory: If you don't tip, we usually start slow -- we'll make a comment or stop opening your beer.

I always get a kick out of bartenders specifically.  You opened a beer, so clearly you deserve $1.

No need to kick me out.  If a bartender ever commented on not getting a tip for opening a beer, I'd leave.  The place is clearly run by assholes.

I'm serving the guy who leaves a dollar every time first, and the guy who never leaves a dollar last. The guy who leaves one here and there doesn't even pop up on my radar. Bottled beer drinkers take 5 seconds to serve. The fact that they leave so quickly and ask so little of you can be tip enough.


I wouldn't blame you for serving the guy who tips more first.  It's funny that now you agree with me though.  Your original post seemed to suggest you make a comment to someone who doesn't tip for every beer.
 
2013-02-12 04:04:45 PM  

Stimpy's new tooth: If you can't afford to tip, you can't afford to go out. Stay home.


People mock bar tenders and servers as being uneducated service monkeys that could be replaced by robots who are too dumb to make real money, yet at the same time, these captains of industry are apparently too poor to leave a tip. Keep your broke ass home.
 
2013-02-12 04:04:50 PM  

thismomentinblackhistory: diabloninja: I refuse to tip for bad or average service, and I won't go back because I know people like that are petty, immature children who would spit in someone's food because the last time they dined, the server didn't get what they wanted.

I've worked in restaurants and bars my whole life. I had a few real jobs in there, but when those fall through (got downsized last year), it's a good skill to fall back on. I have NEVER seen someone's food messed with. There is nothing a customer can do to warrant that. Maybe armed robbery -- but then again, they'd be armed.


Yeah pretty much this.  Stories of bad things happening to food are greatly exaggerated, in my opinion.  The worst thing I ever saw happen while working in restaurants was when a real dick of a customer sent a steak back twice (he wanted it well-done and claimed that it wasn't done enough) and the cook plopped it in the deep-fryer for thirty seconds and then put it in the microwave for an additional minute.

Of course, after that the dude said it was awesome.
 
hej
2013-02-12 04:05:10 PM  
Slam Dunkz:
Fun fact:  If no one tipped at all and the owners had to pay minimum wage/whatever wage, the prices of the food would go up across the board so you'd be paying it anyway.

I'd actually greatly prefer that.
 
2013-02-12 04:05:11 PM  
If you come to me with a slack-ass attitude and Justin beiber hair all in your face, we may have a problem though.
/had that in Tampa. The guy screwed up an order for a steak sammich. Pants below his ass, and never bothered to check on soda levels...
 
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