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2013-02-12 03:15:52 PM  

kidgenius: MmmCrime: Look at the hourly pay rate on a pay stub for most servers. You'll then understand why you're wrong.

Their rate, including tips, must be >=$7.25 an hour.  This is federal law.  Some states are higher.


That is the rate at which they are taxed at if they're assumed to have made more than $30 in a month. Which means you can work the entire month, make $50 on top of the $424 you would bring in in wages, and then you're taxed as if you're making $7.25 an hr, or $1160 a month

kidgenius may be your name, but call someone you know who is a server and have them explain it to you.
 
2013-02-12 03:16:04 PM  

lennavan: It's your first time to this particular restaurant.  You look around, the place is packed.  Heck, it seems as if it has been packed all day.  But you're hungry, your wife doesn't want to drive around and you heard this place has good food so you walk up to where the hostess is supposed to be to put your name in.  But she's not there.  So you stand around and wait until she finally comes back.  After glancing at her list of names, she tells you 15-20 minutes.  Really she knows it will be more like 45 minutes but she doesn't want customers to leave so she fudges the numbers.

You look around, there's just a single bench for seating in the waiting area and it's occupied.  Some people are packed in like sardines in the inside waiting area but most people are waiting outside in the cold, so you follow suit.  After 30 minutes you ask the hostess how much longer.  She says any minute now.  Another 15 minutes go by waiting, standing outside in the cold.  Your feet hurt and you're cold but your name gets called so you go get seated.

You sit at your table with your wife and wait.  It takes your waitress 15 minutes before she bothers to come by and introduce herself.  Your waitress has 42 other people to take care of, a full load.  You're just 5% of her work load and boy does she ever treat you like it.  She says "Hi, my name is, and I'll be your server, can I get you some drinks?"   Well you order your drinks but it's another 10 minutes before she bothers to bring them out.  When you do get your drinks, they should have come with a warning - drink slowly.  There's no chance she'll notice your drink is empty and when you ask for a refill, that's another 10 minute wait.  Somewhere around 20 minutes after you sat down the waitress asks if you're ready to order.  Yeah, we were ready 15 minutes ago, where were you?  When the food comes, it's terrible.  Turns out the cook is new and keeps screwing up orders.  The waitress knows it.  You asked specifically for no nuts because you'r ...


Stop eating at IHOP.
 
2013-02-12 03:16:04 PM  
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2013-02-12 03:16:12 PM  

Kanemano: No one thinks about the dishwasher, he there before the servers show up and he's there when they leave, he makes no tips, but he still has to pay rent, gets truly minimum wage with nothing extra except a sandwich at the end of the night.

where is his essay?


You're right, he makes minimum wage. $7.50 an hour. He works a set shift, just like the servers, and when he's cut, he's cut. Servers come in and make $2.65 an hour(In this case, $2.13 an hour in other cases). They have to come in and do prep at that wage, and when they are cut, they have anywhere from half an hour to two hours of sidework, rolling silverware, wiping down menus, and otherwise chasing down the lead server to get signed off before they can leave, all at $2.13 or $2.65 an hour. When Congress fights to raise the minimum wage, the dishwasher gets a raise. The server doesn't. I started waiting tables in 1990, and the wage has gone up 2 cents since then. 22 years, and 2 cents. The dishwasher also doesn't get his pay docked if the kitchen farks up the food, or if the dishwasher sends out dirty dishes. He gets to sit back there in the kitchen, usually listening to music, doesn't have to put oon a fake smaile for anyone, and doesn't have to put up with abuse from the customers as the representative of the whole restaurant.

Sure, dishwashing is dirty work, I served my time doing that as well, but these guys aren't working slave hours, they are part of a rotating shift that works the same type of hours as the server, sometimes even less, and they never end up with a paycheck that is actually a bill because wages are so low that they end up owing the restaurant money at the end of a pay cycle after taxes are taken out.

There's his essay.
 
2013-02-12 03:16:30 PM  

TheSwissNavy: the Democrats


That didn't take long. I'll play too. Hitler!
 
2013-02-12 03:16:41 PM  

Random Anonymous Blackmail: Never wanted to be a server because people are assholes.

Made the dream come true.


Same; I've worked a lot of retail and yeah, I biatch all the time about it (despite secretly liking some aspects of it), but restaurants and grocery stores are where I hope never to work. Hungry people are assholes, and feeding them doesn't always help.

I just wish I could afford to tip a bit better but they actually make more than ME at this point...
 
2013-02-12 03:16:44 PM  

fireclown: Before this goes all crazy, has anyone experimented with a restaurant where servers are just paid a decent wage to start with so that tipping wasn't necessary?


Every restaurant in Europe. Amazingly, it works pretty well.

Seriously, tipping is moronic. I do it, because the system is farked up and I don't want to hurt the server, but it needs to go away. Your job does not suck any more than a million others that don't get tips, your job is only special because restaurant owners bought congress off to exempt them from paying minimum wage.
 
2013-02-12 03:17:18 PM  
It offends me the number of servers I know who make more money than the teachers I know.  And yet few people complain about their jobs more than servers.

That is all.
 
2013-02-12 03:17:26 PM  

lennavan: It's your first time to this particular restaurant.  You look around, the place is packed.  Heck, it seems as if it has been packed all day.


Stopped reading here.  Tell your wife to stuff it and take her to McDonald's.  You knew going into it your service was going to be lacking.
 
2013-02-12 03:17:41 PM  

tripleseven: Stop eating at IHOP.


Considering many of the details from my post were copy/paste jobs from the article, I assume your response to this article is "Stop working at IHOP" then, right?
 
2013-02-12 03:17:44 PM  
4.bp.blogspot.com

/flame on
 
2013-02-12 03:18:00 PM  

Bathia_Mapes: fireclown: Before this goes all crazy, has anyone experimented with a restaurant where servers are just paid a decent wage to start with so that tipping wasn't necessary?

That would apply to any restaurant in Oregon. State law requires that all restaurant employees, whether they're working at McDonald's or a sit-down restaurant, to be paid Oregon's minimum wage. Currently that's $8.95 an hour. All tips are on top of that.


Something cool about Oregon also? Severs actually get raises like normal employees. That doesn't happen at a $2.13/hour restaurant. You can wait tables for 5 years and make the same farking wage as the day you started. Only way to earn more is to become a trainer or something, then you only get the extra wage when you're training.
 
2013-02-12 03:18:00 PM  

Farce-Side: Publikwerks: If I was a waiter, I would write down info like credit cards #s and whatnot. Give me a religious track, I post your CC info on irc.

Then, you most certainly get fired, and quite possibly arrested.


www.proxyism.com
 
2013-02-12 03:18:26 PM  

Litig8r: If being a waitress is such a lousy job, why do so many people do it?  And why have so many people done it over the years -- regardless of the economy which, I admit, is crap right now.


Yeah! Why can't we all be firemen, fighter pilots, magazine models or CEOs!!! That seems reasonable!
 
2013-02-12 03:18:28 PM  
Oh no, unskilled laborers are complaining about being paid unskilled labor wages again.

Unless you aren't covered by the FLSA, you'll get no sympathy from me about your pay.  If you can't live off minimum wage, you can't afford to be a waiter/waitress.
 
2013-02-12 03:18:38 PM  

udhq: It offends me the number of servers I know who make more money than the teachers I know.  And yet few people complain about their jobs more than servers.

That is all.


This is true also.

My oldest sister worked at Outback for years, and never had trouble making money even after tipping out.
 
2013-02-12 03:19:17 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: lennavan: It's your first time to this particular restaurant.  You look around, the place is packed.  Heck, it seems as if it has been packed all day.

Stopped reading here.  Tell your wife to stuff it and take her to McDonald's.  You knew going into it your service was going to be lacking.


The very first sentence FTFA:

It's your fourth shift in a row at the restaurant, all doubles because you only make $2.65 an hour and need to pay for rent and heat and electricity, and your section is a set of booths and tables - six four-tops, four two-tops, one eight-top - that seat forty-four customers total, and it's been packed from start to finish

Did you stop reading TFA right there and tell this server to shut it about the tips because she should know her service was lacking?
 
2013-02-12 03:19:49 PM  
C).. dont be such a farking farktard and go work somewhere else
 
2013-02-12 03:20:35 PM  

lennavan: The My Little Pony Killer: lennavan: It's your first time to this particular restaurant.  You look around, the place is packed.  Heck, it seems as if it has been packed all day.

Stopped reading here.  Tell your wife to stuff it and take her to McDonald's.  You knew going into it your service was going to be lacking.

The very first sentence FTFA:

It's your fourth shift in a row at the restaurant, all doubles because you only make $2.65 an hour and need to pay for rent and heat and electricity, and your section is a set of booths and tables - six four-tops, four two-tops, one eight-top - that seat forty-four customers total, and it's been packed from start to finish

Did you stop reading TFA right there and tell this server to shut it about the tips because she should know her service was lacking?


Explain to me how it's the server's fault that people come to the restaurant in hordes?  Or that you chose to eat at their particular restaurant when you could clearly see that they were hit hard by a rush?
 
2013-02-12 03:20:50 PM  

fireclown: Before this goes all crazy, has anyone experimented with a restaurant where servers are just paid a decent wage to start with so that tipping wasn't necessary?


There are lots of countries where tipping is not expected and suprisingly, the service is just as good (better in Japan) as most place in North America. That being said, I don't mind tipping but the problem is that some servers expect a 20% tip for doing the bare minimum which I think sours people on the whole issue.
 
2013-02-12 03:21:06 PM  

MmmCrime: kidgenius: MmmCrime: Look at the hourly pay rate on a pay stub for most servers. You'll then understand why you're wrong.

Their rate, including tips, must be >=$7.25 an hour.  This is federal law.  Some states are higher.

That is the rate at which they are taxed at if they're assumed to have made more than $30 in a month. Which means you can work the entire month, make $50 on top of the $424 you would bring in in wages, and then you're taxed as if you're making $7.25 an hr, or $1160 a month

kidgenius may be your name, but call someone you know who is a server and have them explain it to you.


No, sorry, but that's not the way it works.

You are required to make that as a minimum. Then, you are taxed at whatever you make. So if you make that minimum, you get taxed at it. If you make more, you get taxed at that rate.

What the really happens is this:

Employee takes tips as cash and doesn't report to boss & IRS, etc.
Employer marks "7.25/hr"

Employee is actually making more than that, but doesn't want to pay the tax man.

IF the employee is really making less than 7.25/hr, then they should track it. Report their real tips to their boss. Then, their boss will be required by law to kick them up to the minimum.
 
2013-02-12 03:21:20 PM  

lennavan: tripleseven: Stop eating at IHOP.

Considering many of the details from my post were copy/paste jobs from the article, I assume your response to this article is "Stop working at IHOP" then, right?


Correct.  Get into fine dining and make $200-$300 a night.
 
2013-02-12 03:21:45 PM  
Tip your server, or don't eat out at a restaurant, you cheap piece of shiat.

Honestly, why is that so hard to understand?
 
2013-02-12 03:21:55 PM  
Ok guys got a quetion about tipping.  At Chinese buffets do you leave a tip?  I tend to leave one but not as much as I would if I was going to TGIFridays or some place like that.
 
2013-02-12 03:22:23 PM  

John Napkintosh: holy shiat no. tipping exists to give those who actually deserve it recognition for being decent at their job.


Don't be that guy.

Really.
 
2013-02-12 03:22:47 PM  

fireclown: Before this goes all crazy, has anyone experimented with a restaurant where servers are just paid a decent wage to start with so that tipping wasn't necessary?


Northstar Cafe in Columbus, Ohio.  They have a couple locations around the city, and they have it printed on all their menus that the staff is paid a normal wage and doesn't work for tips.  I haven't had a single bad experience in the 3 years that I've been going there, and I enjoy the fact that there's not some unspoken expectation of tip at the end of the meal.
 
2013-02-12 03:22:56 PM  

feickus: Ok guys got a quetion about tipping.  At Chinese buffets do you leave a tip?  I tend to leave one but not as much as I would if I was going to TGIFridays or some place like that.


If you are refilling your own drink and clearing your own table. No tip.

If they complain, tell them Tipping is not a city in China.
 
2013-02-12 03:23:12 PM  
And then you start clearing the table of all the plates and side plates and glasses and napkins and silverware, and underneath it all is the check with your tip waiting on the line above the total, except that line is empty, and in the white space on the check to the side of the list of food that was ordered is a hastily-written note telling you that you don't deserve a tip for just doing your job.

Getting stiffed sucks, but I had one that sucked even more... Waiting tables doing a late lunch/early dinner thing in Phx. Friday afternoon, a bunch of lawyers from down the street come in, maybe 12 or 15 people. They stay for an hour and a half or so, everyone eats, has 3 or 4 drinks, pays their bills, and starts putting tip money in the center of the table as they leave. 2 guys remain, set up camp, and proceed to hang at that table for another 2 hours, shooting the shiat, and funding all of their drinks from the tip money in the center. End of story, a dozen people, 4 hours of my time, $150 or so of sales(That I get taxed on, regardless of whether or not I make any money), and I get about $4. Watching some cheap asshole using your income to buy himself drinks when you know he has the money to buy his own farking drinks? Beats getting stiffed any day, because you can't do a goddam thing about it.
 
2013-02-12 03:23:28 PM  

ChipNASA: [4.bp.blogspot.com image 640x960]

/flame on


A black customer didn't tip???  Whaaa?
 
2013-02-12 03:23:34 PM  

Taima: Wow, what a bunch of cheap bastards in this thread.  Is giving a few extra bucks to your server (or person from another service profession) really going to hurt you?   If so, then who really needs to get another job?


MmmCrime: kidgenius: MmmCrime: Look at the hourly pay rate on a pay stub for most servers. You'll then understand why you're wrong.

Their rate, including tips, must be >=$7.25 an hour.  This is federal law.  Some states are higher.

That is the rate at which they are taxed at if they're assumed to have made more than $30 in a month. Which means you can work the entire month, make $50 on top of the $424 you would bring in in wages, and then you're taxed as if you're making $7.25 an hr, or $1160 a month

kidgenius may be your name, but call someone you know who is a server and have them explain it to you.


If you brought in $424 ($2.65/hour @ 40 hours/week @ 4 weeks/month) and $50 in tips on top of that, then your employers has to pay you an additional $686 out of his pocket to put you at $1160/month ($7.25/hour).  That's federal law.  If you earn less than minimum wage, then your employer must make up the difference.  That is the law.  If your employers haven't been doing this to you, then you got screwed and your employers have broken the law.
 
2013-02-12 03:24:00 PM  

gingerjet: FTFA There are two types of people in America: those who have worked in the service industry, and those who have not. Those who have know this story like the back of their hand, because they have lived it. Those who haven't are, virtually without exception, the reason stories like this exist.

So what?  Try ditch digging for a living. Or roofing in 120 degree weather.  Or guard patrol in Iraq.  At least you are in doors most of the time.  Or 75 hours a week months straight to make a development deadline.  I've never worked a service job in my life but I've fark'd enough waiters in my lifetime to know that waiting tables isn't the hardest job in the world.

/the server does their job well - they get tipped
//if they don't - they get nothing
///nooooothing


Im a waiter.....
 
2013-02-12 03:24:10 PM  
Alternatively, the US could join the rest of the civilized world and pay servers a living wage.

I never tip and neither should you.  It just perpetuates a broken system.
 
2013-02-12 03:24:15 PM  
I think people are missing the bigger issue

Tip or don't tip. If you have a reason not to tip or whatnot, fine.

 BUT DON'T BE AN ASSHOLE ABOUT IT.

 Being an asshole about it is what takes it to the next level. Lots of servers have been stiffed(that's what she said), but they move on. But when you take that as an opportunity to be a asshole, well, you deserve your internet shaming
 
2013-02-12 03:24:32 PM  
Q: Why did the waitress get a small tip?

A: Because she didn't earn the whole thing!
 
2013-02-12 03:24:36 PM  

tricycleracer: ChipNASA: [4.bp.blogspot.com image 640x960]

/flame on

A black customer didn't tip???  Whaaa?


summerlandbaptist.ca
 
2013-02-12 03:24:49 PM  

feickus: Ok guys got a quetion about tipping.  At Chinese buffets do you leave a tip?  I tend to leave one but not as much as I would if I was going to TGIFridays or some place like that.


the answer to this question has always evaded me...

I tend, like you, to leave something ...at very least a dollar.
 
2013-02-12 03:25:02 PM  

fireclown: Before this goes all crazy, has anyone experimented with a restaurant where servers are just paid a decent wage to start with so that tipping wasn't necessary?


I was a server for a few months at a restaurant in a small beach town about 7 years ago, and we were paid pretty well ($8-10 per hour, all under the table).  Tipping wasn't a necessity, but the out-of-towners did so anyway, and did so very well.  I only left because I found full-time work elsewhere.

/shame they're not hiring at the moment
 
2013-02-12 03:25:45 PM  
I'm not reading the article.  I'm sure it details a difficult, low paying job where some patrons can be absolute a**holes.  I've never waited tables, but can appreciate it.  Having said that, deal with it or do something about it.  Don't want to be a waiter/waitress?  Invest in yourself and get a better job.
 
2013-02-12 03:26:33 PM  
Working in the restaurant business is really tough and can be a whole lotta work.


....and if you don't like it then get a farking education or skill and make a living by doing something you won't biatch about.  I did...as did most I know

/Don't complain about something that you can change
 
2013-02-12 03:26:51 PM  

tlchwi02: europeans seem to do just fine.


RembrandtQEinstein: Yes, most everywhere I've been to in Europe. And the service is just fine.


Gunderson: Of Course. It's called "Europe".


dv-ous: Europe.

It works.


You people have had very different experiences in Europe than I have.  I can count on one hand how many times I got even halfway decent service.  And no, I wasn't being an ugly American.  I actually kept getting confused for being a local where ever the hell I went.

I like our tipping process just fine, thanks.
 
2013-02-12 03:26:54 PM  

Perlin Noise: feickus: Ok guys got a quetion about tipping.  At Chinese buffets do you leave a tip?  I tend to leave one but not as much as I would if I was going to TGIFridays or some place like that.

the answer to this question has always evaded me...

I tend, like you, to leave something ...at very least a dollar.


You have to look out for the double-drop at buffets.  The whole check may be going in the server's pocket.
 
2013-02-12 03:27:01 PM  

TheSwissNavy: Only a white person would refer to $9/hour as "slave wages".  Slaves were generally paid a lot less, like, zero.

And it's not so simple that servers t make $2.65 an hour - if their tips don't bring their gross up to minimum wage,they are paid minimum wage. Which isn't much, but when the Democrats had control of Congress with a filibuster-proof Senate, and the Presidency, from July 2010 to January 2012, they didn't bother fixing this. Or anything.

/wanker


No, if 18% of your SALES don't equal minimum wage, you're brought up to minimum wage. There's a difference. You work out of your own drawer, so at the end of the night, after you have turned in your money, what's left is your tips. There is no way for you to prove how much or how little you make, so they take an automatic percentage of your sales and assume that you made that, whether you did or not. If THAT total doesn't make up the difference, then something is done, but if you get stiffed, nothing is done to make it up, no matter what you believe to be true.
 
2013-02-12 03:27:04 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: lennavan: The My Little Pony Killer: lennavan: It's your first time to this particular restaurant.  You look around, the place is packed.  Heck, it seems as if it has been packed all day.

Stopped reading here.  Tell your wife to stuff it and take her to McDonald's.  You knew going into it your service was going to be lacking.

The very first sentence FTFA:

It's your fourth shift in a row at the restaurant, all doubles because you only make $2.65 an hour and need to pay for rent and heat and electricity, and your section is a set of booths and tables - six four-tops, four two-tops, one eight-top - that seat forty-four customers total, and it's been packed from start to finish

Did you stop reading TFA right there and tell this server to shut it about the tips because she should know her service was lacking?

Explain to me how it's the server's fault that people come to the restaurant in hordes?  Or that you chose to eat at their particular restaurant when you could clearly see that they were hit hard by a rush?


Explain to me how it's the customer's fault that the restaurant gave the waitress more tables than she could handle well enough to give decent service.

Holy fark dude, you're arguing it's the customer's fault they got shiatty service because they ... ate there.
 
2013-02-12 03:27:55 PM  

JesusJuice: I never tip and neither should you.


I suggest that you don't visit the same establishment more than once every year or two.
 
2013-02-12 03:28:22 PM  

Jument: Yay, another tipping thread! Honestly, aren't we getting tired of this yet?


yes we are!
 
2013-02-12 03:29:02 PM  
For every waitress out there getting nothing, there's a hot waitress getting 30%+ from desperate guys. Let's be honest here. More often than not, the amount a waitress is tipped is directly proportional to how hot she is.
 
2013-02-12 03:29:34 PM  
In Washington State the servers make at least $9.19/hour (state minimum wage).

Washington has the highest minimum wage in the USA and servers must be paid no less than the state minimum (not including tips).  When I hear servers in Washington complain about tippers it makes me not want to tip any of them.  I don't get tips at work for provide services and technical support.
 
2013-02-12 03:29:42 PM  
If you hate tipping, learn how to cook, even just the basics.

In no time at all you'll be able to prepare better meals than 90% of the Sysco boiled-bag slop that you used to eat.
 
2013-02-12 03:31:10 PM  
I've hear this before, get a better job, I don't get tips at my job, I shouldn't have to supplement the server's pay...yada yada yada.

But bottom line...

If you get decent service and don't leave a decent tip - you're an asshole.  Period.
 
2013-02-12 03:31:28 PM  
Tipping....

I generally tip 10%, with a minimum of $2. If I get truly competent service I may go as high as 15%, maybe more if the prices on the menu aren't already gutting my wallet.

It's rare I don't tip something. Truly bad service gets pocket change, probably in the range of $.50 to $1, at least, if I plan on coming back because the food's good and maybe next time I'll get a server who doesn't suck.

If the food AND service sucks, I tip nothing, and also tend to pay in cash, as A: I'm not going back and B: as such, I don't plan on giving them my card as it's likely they'll add their own tip to my bill.
 
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