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2013-02-12 02:59:38 PM  
FTFA
and who works service and deals with this kind of galloping obnoxiousness for less than minimum wage every single day.

Sorry, but no.  There are laws against this.  You are required to be paid the federal minimum wage, after you collect your tips.
 
2013-02-12 03:00:41 PM  

Kanemano: No one thinks about the dishwasher, he there before the servers show up and he's there when they leave, he makes no tips, but he still has to pay rent, gets truly minimum wage with nothing extra except a sandwich at the end of the night.

where is his essay?


At the college getting an education like he should have done.
 
2013-02-12 03:01:00 PM  
Fark that noise. Oregon pays its servers minimum wage, which is almost $9/hr.

I will tip based on the experience. 90% of it is the servers attitude and attentiveness. I work hard for my money, so should they. I have been a server, and it sucks, but it is not hard to let the person you are serving feel like you care that they enjoy themselves.
 
2013-02-12 03:01:33 PM  
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2013-02-12 03:02:19 PM  
FTFA: It's your fourth shift in a row at the restaurant, all doubles because you only make $2.65 an hour...

Stopped reading here, because that is just straight up not true.
 
2013-02-12 03:02:24 PM  

fireclown: Before this goes all crazy, has anyone experimented with a restaurant where servers are just paid a decent wage to start with so that tipping wasn't necessary?


Europe.

It works.
 
2013-02-12 03:03:26 PM  
If you want better wages learn a skill; unskilled labor will never pay anything but shiat.
 
2013-02-12 03:03:40 PM  
I am a maintenance manager at a public pool.

My back is throbbing from moving around 550 lb. barrels of hydrochloric acid. Then I get the call that some crumcruncher has pooped in the pool, so me and the lifeguards have to skim it out.

Then, it is discovered that someone else has vomited on the pool deck.

It goes on and on like that every day.

WE DON"T GET TIPPED.

The lifeguard that saves a different child every day from drowning doesn't get tipped. Even when they have to administer oxygen to some dumbass that decided to go swimming without his inhaler.

We know that being a waiter sucks and we know it sucks to get shiatty tips, but, you know what, a lot of us have very hard jobs too.
 
2013-02-12 03:03:42 PM  

Litig8r: If being a waitress is such a lousy job, why do so many people do it?  And why have so many people done it over the years -- regardless of the economy which, I admit, is crap right now.


Because the world needs ditch diggers too.
 
2013-02-12 03:04:08 PM  
FTA

$2.65 an hour and need to pay for rent and heat and electricity, and your section is a set of booths and tables - six four-tops, four two-tops, one eight-top - that seat forty-four customers total

At 1$ per table, that's 13.65 an hour if it's a decently fast place.

At 2$ per table, that's 25.65 per the allotted time(likely under two hours)

Now, I know it sucks when people don't tip.  But asking for a 15-20% tip is a bit ludicrous.

I typically go and tip 5$, 10$, or 20$, (regardless of any other tippers in my party if it's drinks and dinner, we take up more time...).
If it's really busy and we get good service and my group is above 4 or so, it's 20$.
If it's slow(ie easy work) and we're a small group, it's $10
If it's just me and another person, it's 5-10.

Sometimes I'm short on cash or on a budget, or the service was legitimately shiatty, so the tip is much smaller but I always try to leave a buck or two unless the server was an absolute biatch.
If everyone tipped like me, that could be anywhere from 20-200$ an hour.  I acknowledge that they don't, but when I go out to a busy place like that, there's almost always cash on the other tables when people leave.

Expecting people to pay, or asking them to, to make up for what others couldn't(or refused to), is asking for charity, imo.
Not cool.

Working in a place that shares out tips?  Get a job somewhere else, ASAP.  That's a shiatty boss with a shiatty policy.
If you can't get another job, I really am sorry, but it's not my place to be a charity fund.
 
2013-02-12 03:04:27 PM  

Kanemano: No one thinks about the dishwasher, he there before the servers show up and he's there when they leave, he makes no tips, but he still has to pay rent, gets truly minimum wage with nothing extra except a sandwich at the end of the night.

where is his essay?


Su en Español.
 
2013-02-12 03:04:28 PM  

stonicus: FTFA: It's your fourth shift in a row at the restaurant, all doubles because you only make $2.65 an hour...

Stopped reading here, because that is just straight up not true.


It is sort of true.  Sort of.

That's what you make per hour.  Then tips are added on top.  Then your hourly wage is calculated based on your wage + tips and if that is less than the federal minimum of $7.XX/hr, your employer is required to make up the diff.
 
2013-02-12 03:05:14 PM  
GET A DIFFERENT JOB, YOU WHINY WANKER.


No one is forcing you to do this.

Go work on a farm or ranch....then come back and whine.

/Sorry...can't stand people whining about something they have 100% power to change.
 
2013-02-12 03:05:21 PM  

stonicus: FTFA: It's your fourth shift in a row at the restaurant, all doubles because you only make $2.65 an hour...

Stopped reading here, because that is just straight up not true.


It depends on the state, you nitwit.
 
2013-02-12 03:05:22 PM  

Kanemano: No one thinks about the dishwasher, he there before the servers show up and he's there when they leave, he makes no tips, but he still has to pay rent, gets truly minimum wage with nothing extra except a sandwich at the end of the night.

where is his essay?


He's too busy actually working to write one...
 
2013-02-12 03:05:29 PM  
Tipping is the price you pay to eat like the nobility used to, to have people wait on you like servants.  Don't like it, don't eat at restaurants.
 
2013-02-12 03:06:02 PM  

stonicus: FTFA: It's your fourth shift in a row at the restaurant, all doubles because you only make $2.65 an hour...

Stopped reading here, because that is just straight up not true.


http://www.dol.gov/whd/state/tipped.htm

Looks like you're right, but only because it is state dependent.

/all three sisters were servers in college
//Save the $0.00 paychecks laying around all the time.
 
2013-02-12 03:06:21 PM  

dv-ous: stonicus: FTFA: It's your fourth shift in a row at the restaurant, all doubles because you only make $2.65 an hour...

Stopped reading here, because that is just straight up not true.

It depends on the state, you nitwit.


No it doesn't.  It's a matter of federal law. It's not allowed.
 
2013-02-12 03:06:26 PM  

kidgenius: First, doesn't matter a table of 8 didn't leave a tip.  Gratuity is almost always enforced on tables of 6 or 8.  Second, most restaurants have "bussers" that clear the tables, not waiters...


That get paid out by servers
 
2013-02-12 03:06:37 PM  
Also, what's the deal with tip jars at Chipotles and other places where they don't actually "serve" you? Seriously? You stood behind the cash register, took my order, called my number and gave me a big plastic cup to take over to the soda fountain. I should tip you for that?
 
2013-02-12 03:07:23 PM  

Marley'sGirl: If waiting tables is so bad, why do people do it?  I spent my college years working at a sub shop.  I still had to deal with customers, but I got paid over $10 an hour and was out of there by 10pm every night.  I have always assumed that the 'good' nights made the pay average out to more and that's why someone would choose to wait tables, but every single article I read says they are basically slaves who do nothing but selflessly serve their employers and customers for minimum wage.


Because, as this article demonstrates, it may not be better than any other low wage unskilled labor job but it also isn't any worse.
 
2013-02-12 03:07:32 PM  

Treygreen13: I tip, and I tip well.

But goddamnit I don't need a reminder about how much your job sucks.


Then don't read it, because it's not aimed at you. It IS aimed at the other people who think that a server can live on 5% tips. If you tip well, then you are doing your fellow man a service, and don't need to take this story personally.
 
2013-02-12 03:07:36 PM  

Kristoph57: Take-out. Same great food. Less fake happiness, Squatting-to-be-eye-level-friendly, "Did everything turn out alright?", "how was your meal?"-managing, conversation interrupting, loud plate smashing, line-dancing, & happy birthday singing, plus you don't have to do math at the end of dinner.


Wait!  you forgot screaming children... Takeout works for me.
 
2013-02-12 03:07:48 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: macdaddy357: Paying anyone less than minimum wage needs to be outlawed.

Lets start with our military.  It's not nice to be shiatty to the guys with the big guns


When I was in the military ('85-'94) I averaged out the number of hours I worked and figured out that I was being paid ~53 cents/hr including benefits.
 
2013-02-12 03:07:56 PM  
I tip well. I see it as a karma thing, and even if the waiter/waitress sucks, I tip 15%

That said, I don't think the point is not tipping. The thing is the BS of making a point of not tipping. Don't tip your server? Fine, that is an option. But then don't rub it in or use it as an opportunity to make a point. Like the tract BS. Your not going to convert anyone with your phony tip bs.

If I was a waiter, I would write down info like credit cards #s and whatnot. Give me a religious track, I post your CC info on irc.
 
2013-02-12 03:08:05 PM  
If only there were other jobs out there that paid more and were easier physically. But nope, poor servants can only do servants' work.
 
2013-02-12 03:08:21 PM  
Waited tables for two years starting in '76 when there were no decent jobs during that round of recession. Sure, it sucked at times, but no more so than any job. Get stiffed on a table? No worse than finding out that you severely underbid this redesign and you are going to have to eat most of it.

But I guess I had it good because I worked with other recent college grads who also couldn't find jobs in their fields, and we were in a resort town. It was a fun crowd because no one took it all that seriously. Paid in cash, get off at 11 which was prime party time, meet up with other waits at various clubs and bars where we could laugh about our clueless tables and check out the tourist jailbait who were looking for a little fun. Spend the day hanging out and report for duty at 4, starting the party circuit all over again.

I imagine if I had had to work in some crossroads burgh, I wouldn't remember it so fondly. And I also knew I'd only be doing it until the economy picked up. But as crap jobs go, it was certainly not the worst I ever had. I do tip well, 20% at minimum, because it IS a crap job. On the other hand, if I get a server with a shiatty attitude, I don't mind leaving them 10%.
 
2013-02-12 03:08:28 PM  

fireclown: Before this goes all crazy, has anyone experimented with a restaurant where servers are just paid a decent wage to start with so that tipping wasn't necessary?


Washington and Oregon states roll their eyes at you.
 
2013-02-12 03:08:47 PM  

kidgenius: dv-ous: stonicus: FTFA: It's your fourth shift in a row at the restaurant, all doubles because you only make $2.65 an hour...

Stopped reading here, because that is just straight up not true.

It depends on the state, you nitwit.

No it doesn't.  It's a matter of federal law. It's not allowed.


http://www.minimum-wage.org/michigan-tipped-employee-minimum-wage

They get a base pay of $2.65/hour. They get bumped up to $7.40 as a minimum if tips don't make up the difference.

$2.65/hour + tips.
 
2013-02-12 03:09:10 PM  
It's your first time to this particular restaurant.  You look around, the place is packed.  Heck, it seems as if it has been packed all day.  But you're hungry, your wife doesn't want to drive around and you heard this place has good food so you walk up to where the hostess is supposed to be to put your name in.  But she's not there.  So you stand around and wait until she finally comes back.  After glancing at her list of names, she tells you 15-20 minutes.  Really she knows it will be more like 45 minutes but she doesn't want customers to leave so she fudges the numbers.

You look around, there's just a single bench for seating in the waiting area and it's occupied.  Some people are packed in like sardines in the inside waiting area but most people are waiting outside in the cold, so you follow suit.  After 30 minutes you ask the hostess how much longer.  She says any minute now.  Another 15 minutes go by waiting, standing outside in the cold.  Your feet hurt and you're cold but your name gets called so you go get seated.

You sit at your table with your wife and wait.  It takes your waitress 15 minutes before she bothers to come by and introduce herself.  Your waitress has 42 other people to take care of, a full load.  You're just 5% of her work load and boy does she ever treat you like it.  She says "Hi, my name is, and I'll be your server, can I get you some drinks?"   Well you order your drinks but it's another 10 minutes before she bothers to bring them out.  When you do get your drinks, they should have come with a warning - drink slowly.  There's no chance she'll notice your drink is empty and when you ask for a refill, that's another 10 minute wait.  Somewhere around 20 minutes after you sat down the waitress asks if you're ready to order.  Yeah, we were ready 15 minutes ago, where were you?  When the food comes, it's terrible.  Turns out the cook is new and keeps screwing up orders.  The waitress knows it.  You asked specifically for no nuts because you're allergic to nuts.  This waitress is a veteran, she has a mind like a sponge, there's no way she forgot.  She looked right at your food when she picked it up, saw the nuts but crossed her fingers and hoped you wouldn't notice or care.  When you point out the nuts to her, she acts astonished and brings it back to have the cook just scrape them off and send it back out.

At the end of your meal the waitress brings your bill.  It's going to be $30 for the pleasure of waiting out in the cold for 45 minutes, sitting down to be neglected by a waitress for an hour and eat terrible food from a cook who has no idea what he's doing.

But you better farking leave a big tip you asshole.
 
2013-02-12 03:09:17 PM  
An eleven table, 40 seat section and it's not Denny's?
 
2013-02-12 03:09:18 PM  

kidgenius: dv-ous: stonicus: FTFA: It's your fourth shift in a row at the restaurant, all doubles because you only make $2.65 an hour...

Stopped reading here, because that is just straight up not true.

It depends on the state, you nitwit.

No it doesn't.  It's a matter of federal law. It's not allowed.


Look at the hourly pay rate on a pay stub for most servers. You'll then understand why you're wrong.
 
2013-02-12 03:09:21 PM  

Englebert Slaptyback: You pause, you pause, you breathe, you stow the panic about the rent and the bills that is in your throat like acid, you breathe, and then you


...try to figure out where the hell you went wrong in your life to end up in such an untenable position so you can fix whatever the hell it is so you can have a real job where you don't need to worry about making rent.


PS Hero tag? Really?


What, would you rather them NOT work at all so you can biatch and complain about them having to be on Welfare/unemployment? I've done this sort of work before and the article is VERY accurate!
 
2013-02-12 03:09:24 PM  

ModernLuddite: Sweetheart, I'm sorry that all those tips from lonely old men you made when you were 18 dried up now that you're 24 and the other waitress is 18, and you thought you could wear a tight shirt and make rent by the first Saturday of the month. I really am. But have you thought about GETTING A JOB DOING LITERALLY ANYTHING ELSE?


Well to be fair the strip clubs don't want them anymore either after the stretch marks and caesarian scars.
 
2013-02-12 03:09:43 PM  

fireclown: Before this goes all crazy, has anyone experimented with a restaurant where servers are just paid a decent wage to start with so that tipping wasn't necessary?


I ate a place this weekend that included the gratuity in the price of the meal. It was a good price too, $10 bucks for an entree, a side, and a non-alcoholic drink. They didn't specify at what rate the gratuity was included though. I think a lot of country clubs operate on this model. Either way, the server was terrible. She didn't check on us once after dropping off the food and it wasn't busy.
 
2013-02-12 03:10:02 PM  

dv-ous: kidgenius: dv-ous: stonicus: FTFA: It's your fourth shift in a row at the restaurant, all doubles because you only make $2.65 an hour...

Stopped reading here, because that is just straight up not true.

It depends on the state, you nitwit.

No it doesn't.  It's a matter of federal law. It's not allowed.

http://www.minimum-wage.org/michigan-tipped-employee-minimum-wage

They get a base pay of $2.65/hour. They get bumped up to $7.40 as a minimum if tips don't make up the difference.

$2.65/hour + tips.


Exactly.  At a minimum you are guaranteed a minimum of $7.XX or whatever the going federal rate is.  Some states are higher.
 
2013-02-12 03:10:14 PM  
I have all sorts of sympathy for servers. I really do.
But when "you've been doing this for years" -- you really should have taken that assistant management gig or KM or *something*.
Waiting tables is not a career.  It can be a helpful *point* in a career.  It can round out some shiat times.  But it's not a thing you *stay* in.
Yeah, you may be able to pull down more at the peak of your serving career than the management track pays to start -- but one of those numbers trends up and the other trends down, fast.
If you think it's hard to make ends meet as a 20-something server, take a couple minutes and consider what it's like at 40- and 50-something.

/ same goes for pretty much any gratuity-based and/or manual work
 
2013-02-12 03:10:17 PM  

yelmrog: Tipping is the price you pay to eat like the nobility used to, to have people wait on you like servants. Don't like it, don't eat at restaurants.


This. I am a 20+% tipper on average. If I don't wanna pay extra, I go to places where I stand at a counter to order and go get my own food when my number is called. It's that simple.

I uinderstand why people biatch about tipping, especially the automatic gratuity nonsense, but this is the system we live under (where wait-staff is paid $2/hour). Don't like tipping, get them the minimum wage (at least). I also have been known to ask in advance for the auto gratuity to not be included and, if the manager refuses, I get up and walk.  If the manager agrees, I'll tip extra because of the principle, not the money.
 
2013-02-12 03:10:41 PM  

yelmrog: Tipping is the price you pay to eat like the nobility used to, to have people wait on you like servants.  Don't like it, don't eat at restaurants.


I pay more for the food and drink going out than making it at home. THAT'S the price I pay. I tip for a server not making it a miserable experience.
 
2013-02-12 03:10:48 PM  
Tip well at places that don't pool tips.

Tip shiatty at places that do pool tips.
 
2013-02-12 03:11:19 PM  

MmmCrime: Look at the hourly pay rate on a pay stub for most servers. You'll then understand why you're wrong.


Their rate, including tips, must be >=$7.25 an hour.  This is federal law.  Some states are higher.
 
2013-02-12 03:11:36 PM  
Quit your biatching and tip your waitron...even if he or she sucks, give him or her 15%. If he or she rocks your table, give 20%

Either that or make your own goddamn supper.
 
2013-02-12 03:12:29 PM  
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2013-02-12 03:12:41 PM  

Publikwerks: If I was a waiter, I would write down info like credit cards #s and whatnot. Give me a religious track, I post your CC info on irc.


Then, you most certainly get fired, and quite possibly arrested.
 
2013-02-12 03:13:01 PM  

ModernLuddite: Sweetheart, I'm sorry that all those tips from lonely old men you made when you were 18 dried up now that you're 24 and the other waitress is 18, and you thought you could wear a tight shirt and make rent by the first Saturday of the month. I really am. But have you thought about GETTING A JOB DOING LITERALLY ANYTHING ELSE?


I think I pulled a muscle from laughing so hard...
 
2013-02-12 03:13:17 PM  

dv-ous: stonicus: FTFA: It's your fourth shift in a row at the restaurant, all doubles because you only make $2.65 an hour...

Stopped reading here, because that is just straight up not true.

It depends on the state, you nitwit.


Well tell us, which state is it?   IMO the guy writing the article must be stuck in 1980.
 
2013-02-12 03:13:46 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: even if he or she sucks, give him or her 15%.


holy shiat no. tipping exists to give those who actually deserve it recognition for being decent at their job.
 
2013-02-12 03:13:53 PM  

Beerguy: I am a maintenance manager at a public pool.

My back is throbbing from moving around 550 lb. barrels of hydrochloric acid. Then I get the call that some crumcruncher has pooped in the pool, so me and the lifeguards have to skim it out.

Then, it is discovered that someone else has vomited on the pool deck.

It goes on and on like that every day.

WE DON"T GET TIPPED.

The lifeguard that saves a different child every day from drowning doesn't get tipped. Even when they have to administer oxygen to some dumbass that decided to go swimming without his inhaler.

We know that being a waiter sucks and we know it sucks to get shiatty tips, but, you know what, a lot of us have very hard jobs too.


Do you get paid $2 an hour?  No?  Then STFU and GBTW.
 
2013-02-12 03:14:48 PM  

fastfxr: GET A DIFFERENT JOB, YOU WHINY WANKER.


No one is forcing you to do this.

Go work on a farm or ranch....then come back and whine.

/Sorry...can't stand people whining about something they have 100% power to change.


If you're going to feed and clean up after pigs and cows, you might as well do it somewhere with air conditioning.
 
2013-02-12 03:15:33 PM  
Wow, what a bunch of cheap bastards in this thread.  Is giving a few extra bucks to your server (or person from another service profession) really going to hurt you?   If so, then who really needs to get another job?
 
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