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2013-02-12 02:44:29 PM  
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2013-02-12 02:44:36 PM  
Yay, another tipping thread! Honestly, aren't we getting tired of this yet?
 
2013-02-12 02:44:49 PM  
I tip, and I tip well.

But goddamnit I don't need a reminder about how much your job sucks.
 
2013-02-12 02:45:46 PM  
Server tipping?

www.fema.gov
 
2013-02-12 02:45:47 PM  
25.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-02-12 02:45:51 PM  
"Just the tip..."
static.diary.ru
 
2013-02-12 02:46:10 PM  
Before this goes all crazy, has anyone experimented with a restaurant where servers are just paid a decent wage to start with so that tipping wasn't necessary?
 
2013-02-12 02:47:51 PM  

fireclown: Before this goes all crazy, has anyone experimented with a restaurant where servers are just paid a decent wage to start with so that tipping wasn't necessary?


It's called McDonalds
 
2013-02-12 02:48:18 PM  
www.wisconsinbidforicypaa.org
 
2013-02-12 02:48:51 PM  
This story is an obvious fake.

A boozehound orders no olives. Those things take up space.
 
2013-02-12 02:48:53 PM  
it would suck to be a port-o-potty cleaner as well...jeez.

Servers, get over yourself all ready; if you don't like your job, get a different one.
 
2013-02-12 02:49:11 PM  
 
2013-02-12 02:49:17 PM  

fireclown: Before this goes all crazy, has anyone experimented with a restaurant where servers are just paid a decent wage to start with so that tipping wasn't necessary?


Of course not.  The owner would rather have you subsidize his workers than pay them himself.
 
2013-02-12 02:49:24 PM  

You pause, you pause, you breathe, you stow the panic about the rent and the bills that is in your throat like acid, you breathe, and then you


...try to figure out where the hell you went wrong in your life to end up in such an untenable position so you can fix whatever the hell it is so you can have a real job where you don't need to worry about making rent.


PS Hero tag? Really?
 
2013-02-12 02:50:09 PM  
Only a white person would refer to $9/hour as "slave wages".  Slaves were generally paid a lot less, like, zero.

And it's not so simple that servers t make $2.65 an hour - if their tips don't bring their gross up to minimum wage,they are paid minimum wage. Which isn't much, but when the Democrats had control of Congress with a filibuster-proof Senate, and the Presidency, from July 2010 to January 2012, they didn't bother fixing this. Or anything.

/wanker
 
2013-02-12 02:50:54 PM  
Long article is long.
 
2013-02-12 02:51:24 PM  
How many people actually leave and take the time to write a note that says you dont deserve a tip. Get out of here Pitt, you have some more crazy 9/11 truthing to do on Democratic Underground.
 
2013-02-12 02:51:31 PM  
What, no mandatory gratuity on a table of 8?

This story smells of BS... or the server got the 18% and complained about not getting more.
 
2013-02-12 02:51:49 PM  
Wasn't this the plot to that movie "Waiting" with Ryan Reynolds and that other guy?  What is that guys name?
 
2013-02-12 02:52:19 PM  

fireclown: Before this goes all crazy, has anyone experimented with a restaurant where servers are just paid a decent wage to start with so that tipping wasn't necessary?


Go ask Japan, Australia, Sweden, and all of those other socialist cesspools.
 
2013-02-12 02:52:32 PM  
Yay, tipping thread!

Remember kids, waiters are the hardest working people on the planet.  Without them, society would come to a grinding halt!
 
2013-02-12 02:52:50 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: fireclown: Before this goes all crazy, has anyone experimented with a restaurant where servers are just paid a decent wage to start with so that tipping wasn't necessary?

It's called McDonalds


Interesting point.  I was thinking more in terms of a sit down restaurant, though.
 
2013-02-12 02:53:02 PM  
I always tip.  Something.  It really does depend on the service.
I know the difference between when it's the kitchen's fault and the server's.  So I don't punish the server when it isn't their fault.

I normally start at 15%, and go up or down from there depending on how well it went.

A few weeks ago, we ate in a place where our appatizers came out before our drinks.  And two other tables were finished and cleaned up (and they came in after us), before we were even served our main course.  This is not the kitchen's fault, or the bar tender's.  This one lies soley on the server being unorganized.  I tipped very little that day.

In any case, I really do feel for these poor people that are only making like $1.37 an hour.  That's criminal.
 
2013-02-12 02:53:06 PM  

MadMonk: Long article is long.


You should read the crap he posts on forums.
 
2013-02-12 02:53:09 PM  

Ecobuckeye: This story is an obvious fake.

A boozehound orders no olives. Those things take up space.


ONly a true farker would catch that
 
2013-02-12 02:53:14 PM  

fireclown: Before this goes all crazy, has anyone experimented with a restaurant where servers are just paid a decent wage to start with so that tipping wasn't necessary?


A lot of the hotels here (Waikiki) are unionized so the serving staff make about $16 an hour

there is no discernible difference in service from the stand alone non unionized places.
 
2013-02-12 02:53:17 PM  

fireclown: Before this goes all crazy, has anyone experimented with a restaurant where servers are just paid a decent wage to start with so that tipping wasn't necessary?


europeans seem to do just fine.

/had a bartender in northern england insist we not tip him because he was being paid a fair wage and he felt bad when americans overtipped
//we tipped him anyway, he went to college in our hometown and he gave us a liberal free taste from all 20 taps
 
2013-02-12 02:53:24 PM  

fireclown: Before this goes all crazy, has anyone experimented with a restaurant where servers are just paid a decent wage to start with so that tipping wasn't necessary?


Yes, most everywhere I've been to in Europe. And the service is just fine. In the UK the service wasn't great but it was still adequate. Tipping is nothing more than legalized tax evasion for the food carriers, and its a slimy way to transfer risk from himself to his employees for restaurant owners.
 
2013-02-12 02:53:25 PM  
o.onionstatic.com
 
2013-02-12 02:53:43 PM  
Paying anyone less than minimum wage needs to be outlawed.
 
2013-02-12 02:53:53 PM  
"And I thought I had it bad."
2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-02-12 02:54:05 PM  

Farce-Side: Wasn't this the plot to that movie "Waiting" with Ryan Reynolds and that other guy?  What is that guys name?


Luis Guzman.
 
2013-02-12 02:54:32 PM  

fireclown: Before this goes all crazy, has anyone experimented with a restaurant where servers are just paid a decent wage to start with so that tipping wasn't necessary?


Of Course.  It's called "Europe".

/PS: They have been in the restaurant business even before the US existed.
 
2013-02-12 02:54:58 PM  
If being a waitress is such a lousy job, why do so many people do it?  And why have so many people done it over the years -- regardless of the economy which, I admit, is crap right now.
 
2013-02-12 02:55:08 PM  

Ecobuckeye: This story is an obvious fake.

A boozehound orders no olives. Those things take up space.


If you substitute them for dinner it works.
 
2013-02-12 02:56:07 PM  
Never wanted to be a server because people are assholes.

Made the dream come true.
 
2013-02-12 02:56:09 PM  
First, doesn't matter a table of 8 didn't leave a tip.  Gratuity is almost always enforced on tables of 6 or 8.  Second, most restaurants have "bussers" that clear the tables, not waiters...
 
2013-02-12 02:56:11 PM  
oh yes all servers are heroes. stfu already.
 
2013-02-12 02:56:57 PM  

fireclown: Before this goes all crazy, has anyone experimented with a restaurant where servers are just paid a decent wage to start with so that tipping wasn't necessary?


Yes.  Wegman's is a regional higher end market here in the NE and they have "Pubs" at some locations where you order and aren't allowed to tip.  All workers there are well compensated (per their comments to me when I repeatedly TRY to tip) and all have been very nice.
 
2013-02-12 02:57:14 PM  
Sweetheart, I'm sorry that all those tips from lonely old men you made when you were 18 dried up now that you're 24 and the other waitress is 18, and you thought you could wear a tight shirt and make rent by the first Saturday of the month. I really am. But have you thought about GETTING A JOB DOING LITERALLY ANYTHING ELSE?
 
2013-02-12 02:57:38 PM  
Want to help the workers? The economy? The whole country?

Make it illegal to pay anyone under the minimum wage perhaps? Or will servers start complaining when they no longer bring home after a good day the equivalent of what other people in entry service/retail  positions make in a week.
 
2013-02-12 02:57:51 PM  
If waiting tables is so bad, why do people do it?  I spent my college years working at a sub shop.  I still had to deal with customers, but I got paid over $10 an hour and was out of there by 10pm every night.  I have always assumed that the 'good' nights made the pay average out to more and that's why someone would choose to wait tables, but every single article I read says they are basically slaves who do nothing but selflessly serve their employers and customers for minimum wage.
 
2013-02-12 02:58:01 PM  

macdaddy357: Paying anyone less than minimum wage needs to be outlawed.


Lets start with our military.  It's not nice to be shiatty to the guys with the big guns
 
2013-02-12 02:58:32 PM  
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2013-02-12 02:58:41 PM  
As a former food service slave from WAY back, I always make sure I tip well. If the service is great, I tip even better. shiatty waitstaff still get a decent tip from me, just because I know what it's like on that side of the serving tray.

CSB
One night, after a particularly bad experience with a trainee waiter, I tipped him roughly 25%. On the way to the car, my girlfriend said, "Why did you tip him that much? He was AWFUL!" I just replied, "Look, I've done his job before. It's miserable when you know what you're doing. It's his FIRST day on the job, so he's going to make mistakes. In the grand scheme of things, what is the right thing to do: give someone a little extra encouragement, or walk out of there with the measly $10-15.00 tip still in your pocket? That money means more to him right now that it did to me."
/CSB
 
2013-02-12 02:58:46 PM  
FTFA There are two types of people in America: those who have worked in the service industry, and those who have not. Those who have know this story like the back of their hand, because they have lived it. Those who haven't are, virtually without exception, the reason stories like this exist.

So what?  Try ditch digging for a living. Or roofing in 120 degree weather.  Or guard patrol in Iraq.  At least you are in doors most of the time.  Or 75 hours a week months straight to make a development deadline.  I've never worked a service job in my life but I've fark'd enough waiters in my lifetime to know that waiting tables isn't the hardest job in the world.

/the server does their job well - they get tipped
//if they don't - they get nothing
///nooooothing
 
2013-02-12 02:58:54 PM  
Take-out. Same great food. Less fake happiness, Squatting-to-be-eye-level-friendly, "Did everything turn out alright?", "how was your meal?"-managing, conversation interrupting, loud plate smashing, line-dancing, & happy birthday singing, plus you don't have to do math at the end of dinner.
 
2013-02-12 02:58:58 PM  

fireclown: Before this goes all crazy, has anyone experimented with a restaurant where servers are just paid a decent wage to start with so that tipping wasn't necessary?


That would apply to any restaurant in Oregon. State law requires that all restaurant employees, whether they're working at McDonald's or a sit-down restaurant, to be paid Oregon's minimum wage. Currently that's $8.95 an hour. All tips are on top of that.
 
2013-02-12 02:59:11 PM  

vudukungfu: Farce-Side: Wasn't this the plot to that movie "Waiting" with Ryan Reynolds and that other guy?  What is that guys name?

Luis Guzman.


Yea! That's him! He was great in "Summer of Sam" as well.
 
2013-02-12 02:59:13 PM  
No one thinks about the dishwasher, he there before the servers show up and he's there when they leave, he makes no tips, but he still has to pay rent, gets truly minimum wage with nothing extra except a sandwich at the end of the night.

where is his essay?
 
2013-02-12 02:59:38 PM  
FTFA
and who works service and deals with this kind of galloping obnoxiousness for less than minimum wage every single day.

Sorry, but no.  There are laws against this.  You are required to be paid the federal minimum wage, after you collect your tips.
 
2013-02-12 03:00:41 PM  

Kanemano: No one thinks about the dishwasher, he there before the servers show up and he's there when they leave, he makes no tips, but he still has to pay rent, gets truly minimum wage with nothing extra except a sandwich at the end of the night.

where is his essay?


At the college getting an education like he should have done.
 
2013-02-12 03:01:00 PM  
Fark that noise. Oregon pays its servers minimum wage, which is almost $9/hr.

I will tip based on the experience. 90% of it is the servers attitude and attentiveness. I work hard for my money, so should they. I have been a server, and it sucks, but it is not hard to let the person you are serving feel like you care that they enjoy themselves.
 
2013-02-12 03:01:33 PM  
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2013-02-12 03:02:19 PM  
FTFA: It's your fourth shift in a row at the restaurant, all doubles because you only make $2.65 an hour...

Stopped reading here, because that is just straight up not true.
 
2013-02-12 03:02:24 PM  

fireclown: Before this goes all crazy, has anyone experimented with a restaurant where servers are just paid a decent wage to start with so that tipping wasn't necessary?


Europe.

It works.
 
2013-02-12 03:03:26 PM  
If you want better wages learn a skill; unskilled labor will never pay anything but shiat.
 
2013-02-12 03:03:40 PM  
I am a maintenance manager at a public pool.

My back is throbbing from moving around 550 lb. barrels of hydrochloric acid. Then I get the call that some crumcruncher has pooped in the pool, so me and the lifeguards have to skim it out.

Then, it is discovered that someone else has vomited on the pool deck.

It goes on and on like that every day.

WE DON"T GET TIPPED.

The lifeguard that saves a different child every day from drowning doesn't get tipped. Even when they have to administer oxygen to some dumbass that decided to go swimming without his inhaler.

We know that being a waiter sucks and we know it sucks to get shiatty tips, but, you know what, a lot of us have very hard jobs too.
 
2013-02-12 03:03:42 PM  

Litig8r: If being a waitress is such a lousy job, why do so many people do it?  And why have so many people done it over the years -- regardless of the economy which, I admit, is crap right now.


Because the world needs ditch diggers too.
 
2013-02-12 03:04:08 PM  
FTA

$2.65 an hour and need to pay for rent and heat and electricity, and your section is a set of booths and tables - six four-tops, four two-tops, one eight-top - that seat forty-four customers total

At 1$ per table, that's 13.65 an hour if it's a decently fast place.

At 2$ per table, that's 25.65 per the allotted time(likely under two hours)

Now, I know it sucks when people don't tip.  But asking for a 15-20% tip is a bit ludicrous.

I typically go and tip 5$, 10$, or 20$, (regardless of any other tippers in my party if it's drinks and dinner, we take up more time...).
If it's really busy and we get good service and my group is above 4 or so, it's 20$.
If it's slow(ie easy work) and we're a small group, it's $10
If it's just me and another person, it's 5-10.

Sometimes I'm short on cash or on a budget, or the service was legitimately shiatty, so the tip is much smaller but I always try to leave a buck or two unless the server was an absolute biatch.
If everyone tipped like me, that could be anywhere from 20-200$ an hour.  I acknowledge that they don't, but when I go out to a busy place like that, there's almost always cash on the other tables when people leave.

Expecting people to pay, or asking them to, to make up for what others couldn't(or refused to), is asking for charity, imo.
Not cool.

Working in a place that shares out tips?  Get a job somewhere else, ASAP.  That's a shiatty boss with a shiatty policy.
If you can't get another job, I really am sorry, but it's not my place to be a charity fund.
 
2013-02-12 03:04:27 PM  

Kanemano: No one thinks about the dishwasher, he there before the servers show up and he's there when they leave, he makes no tips, but he still has to pay rent, gets truly minimum wage with nothing extra except a sandwich at the end of the night.

where is his essay?


Su en Español.
 
2013-02-12 03:04:28 PM  

stonicus: FTFA: It's your fourth shift in a row at the restaurant, all doubles because you only make $2.65 an hour...

Stopped reading here, because that is just straight up not true.


It is sort of true.  Sort of.

That's what you make per hour.  Then tips are added on top.  Then your hourly wage is calculated based on your wage + tips and if that is less than the federal minimum of $7.XX/hr, your employer is required to make up the diff.
 
2013-02-12 03:05:14 PM  
GET A DIFFERENT JOB, YOU WHINY WANKER.


No one is forcing you to do this.

Go work on a farm or ranch....then come back and whine.

/Sorry...can't stand people whining about something they have 100% power to change.
 
2013-02-12 03:05:21 PM  

stonicus: FTFA: It's your fourth shift in a row at the restaurant, all doubles because you only make $2.65 an hour...

Stopped reading here, because that is just straight up not true.


It depends on the state, you nitwit.
 
2013-02-12 03:05:22 PM  

Kanemano: No one thinks about the dishwasher, he there before the servers show up and he's there when they leave, he makes no tips, but he still has to pay rent, gets truly minimum wage with nothing extra except a sandwich at the end of the night.

where is his essay?


He's too busy actually working to write one...
 
2013-02-12 03:05:29 PM  
Tipping is the price you pay to eat like the nobility used to, to have people wait on you like servants.  Don't like it, don't eat at restaurants.
 
2013-02-12 03:06:02 PM  

stonicus: FTFA: It's your fourth shift in a row at the restaurant, all doubles because you only make $2.65 an hour...

Stopped reading here, because that is just straight up not true.


http://www.dol.gov/whd/state/tipped.htm

Looks like you're right, but only because it is state dependent.

/all three sisters were servers in college
//Save the $0.00 paychecks laying around all the time.
 
2013-02-12 03:06:21 PM  

dv-ous: stonicus: FTFA: It's your fourth shift in a row at the restaurant, all doubles because you only make $2.65 an hour...

Stopped reading here, because that is just straight up not true.

It depends on the state, you nitwit.


No it doesn't.  It's a matter of federal law. It's not allowed.
 
2013-02-12 03:06:26 PM  

kidgenius: First, doesn't matter a table of 8 didn't leave a tip.  Gratuity is almost always enforced on tables of 6 or 8.  Second, most restaurants have "bussers" that clear the tables, not waiters...


That get paid out by servers
 
2013-02-12 03:06:37 PM  
Also, what's the deal with tip jars at Chipotles and other places where they don't actually "serve" you? Seriously? You stood behind the cash register, took my order, called my number and gave me a big plastic cup to take over to the soda fountain. I should tip you for that?
 
2013-02-12 03:07:23 PM  

Marley'sGirl: If waiting tables is so bad, why do people do it?  I spent my college years working at a sub shop.  I still had to deal with customers, but I got paid over $10 an hour and was out of there by 10pm every night.  I have always assumed that the 'good' nights made the pay average out to more and that's why someone would choose to wait tables, but every single article I read says they are basically slaves who do nothing but selflessly serve their employers and customers for minimum wage.


Because, as this article demonstrates, it may not be better than any other low wage unskilled labor job but it also isn't any worse.
 
2013-02-12 03:07:32 PM  

Treygreen13: I tip, and I tip well.

But goddamnit I don't need a reminder about how much your job sucks.


Then don't read it, because it's not aimed at you. It IS aimed at the other people who think that a server can live on 5% tips. If you tip well, then you are doing your fellow man a service, and don't need to take this story personally.
 
2013-02-12 03:07:36 PM  

Kristoph57: Take-out. Same great food. Less fake happiness, Squatting-to-be-eye-level-friendly, "Did everything turn out alright?", "how was your meal?"-managing, conversation interrupting, loud plate smashing, line-dancing, & happy birthday singing, plus you don't have to do math at the end of dinner.


Wait!  you forgot screaming children... Takeout works for me.
 
2013-02-12 03:07:48 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: macdaddy357: Paying anyone less than minimum wage needs to be outlawed.

Lets start with our military.  It's not nice to be shiatty to the guys with the big guns


When I was in the military ('85-'94) I averaged out the number of hours I worked and figured out that I was being paid ~53 cents/hr including benefits.
 
2013-02-12 03:07:56 PM  
I tip well. I see it as a karma thing, and even if the waiter/waitress sucks, I tip 15%

That said, I don't think the point is not tipping. The thing is the BS of making a point of not tipping. Don't tip your server? Fine, that is an option. But then don't rub it in or use it as an opportunity to make a point. Like the tract BS. Your not going to convert anyone with your phony tip bs.

If I was a waiter, I would write down info like credit cards #s and whatnot. Give me a religious track, I post your CC info on irc.
 
2013-02-12 03:08:05 PM  
If only there were other jobs out there that paid more and were easier physically. But nope, poor servants can only do servants' work.
 
2013-02-12 03:08:21 PM  
Waited tables for two years starting in '76 when there were no decent jobs during that round of recession. Sure, it sucked at times, but no more so than any job. Get stiffed on a table? No worse than finding out that you severely underbid this redesign and you are going to have to eat most of it.

But I guess I had it good because I worked with other recent college grads who also couldn't find jobs in their fields, and we were in a resort town. It was a fun crowd because no one took it all that seriously. Paid in cash, get off at 11 which was prime party time, meet up with other waits at various clubs and bars where we could laugh about our clueless tables and check out the tourist jailbait who were looking for a little fun. Spend the day hanging out and report for duty at 4, starting the party circuit all over again.

I imagine if I had had to work in some crossroads burgh, I wouldn't remember it so fondly. And I also knew I'd only be doing it until the economy picked up. But as crap jobs go, it was certainly not the worst I ever had. I do tip well, 20% at minimum, because it IS a crap job. On the other hand, if I get a server with a shiatty attitude, I don't mind leaving them 10%.
 
2013-02-12 03:08:28 PM  

fireclown: Before this goes all crazy, has anyone experimented with a restaurant where servers are just paid a decent wage to start with so that tipping wasn't necessary?


Washington and Oregon states roll their eyes at you.
 
2013-02-12 03:08:47 PM  

kidgenius: dv-ous: stonicus: FTFA: It's your fourth shift in a row at the restaurant, all doubles because you only make $2.65 an hour...

Stopped reading here, because that is just straight up not true.

It depends on the state, you nitwit.

No it doesn't.  It's a matter of federal law. It's not allowed.


http://www.minimum-wage.org/michigan-tipped-employee-minimum-wage

They get a base pay of $2.65/hour. They get bumped up to $7.40 as a minimum if tips don't make up the difference.

$2.65/hour + tips.
 
2013-02-12 03:09:10 PM  
It's your first time to this particular restaurant.  You look around, the place is packed.  Heck, it seems as if it has been packed all day.  But you're hungry, your wife doesn't want to drive around and you heard this place has good food so you walk up to where the hostess is supposed to be to put your name in.  But she's not there.  So you stand around and wait until she finally comes back.  After glancing at her list of names, she tells you 15-20 minutes.  Really she knows it will be more like 45 minutes but she doesn't want customers to leave so she fudges the numbers.

You look around, there's just a single bench for seating in the waiting area and it's occupied.  Some people are packed in like sardines in the inside waiting area but most people are waiting outside in the cold, so you follow suit.  After 30 minutes you ask the hostess how much longer.  She says any minute now.  Another 15 minutes go by waiting, standing outside in the cold.  Your feet hurt and you're cold but your name gets called so you go get seated.

You sit at your table with your wife and wait.  It takes your waitress 15 minutes before she bothers to come by and introduce herself.  Your waitress has 42 other people to take care of, a full load.  You're just 5% of her work load and boy does she ever treat you like it.  She says "Hi, my name is, and I'll be your server, can I get you some drinks?"   Well you order your drinks but it's another 10 minutes before she bothers to bring them out.  When you do get your drinks, they should have come with a warning - drink slowly.  There's no chance she'll notice your drink is empty and when you ask for a refill, that's another 10 minute wait.  Somewhere around 20 minutes after you sat down the waitress asks if you're ready to order.  Yeah, we were ready 15 minutes ago, where were you?  When the food comes, it's terrible.  Turns out the cook is new and keeps screwing up orders.  The waitress knows it.  You asked specifically for no nuts because you're allergic to nuts.  This waitress is a veteran, she has a mind like a sponge, there's no way she forgot.  She looked right at your food when she picked it up, saw the nuts but crossed her fingers and hoped you wouldn't notice or care.  When you point out the nuts to her, she acts astonished and brings it back to have the cook just scrape them off and send it back out.

At the end of your meal the waitress brings your bill.  It's going to be $30 for the pleasure of waiting out in the cold for 45 minutes, sitting down to be neglected by a waitress for an hour and eat terrible food from a cook who has no idea what he's doing.

But you better farking leave a big tip you asshole.
 
2013-02-12 03:09:17 PM  
An eleven table, 40 seat section and it's not Denny's?
 
2013-02-12 03:09:18 PM  

kidgenius: dv-ous: stonicus: FTFA: It's your fourth shift in a row at the restaurant, all doubles because you only make $2.65 an hour...

Stopped reading here, because that is just straight up not true.

It depends on the state, you nitwit.

No it doesn't.  It's a matter of federal law. It's not allowed.


Look at the hourly pay rate on a pay stub for most servers. You'll then understand why you're wrong.
 
2013-02-12 03:09:21 PM  

Englebert Slaptyback: You pause, you pause, you breathe, you stow the panic about the rent and the bills that is in your throat like acid, you breathe, and then you


...try to figure out where the hell you went wrong in your life to end up in such an untenable position so you can fix whatever the hell it is so you can have a real job where you don't need to worry about making rent.


PS Hero tag? Really?


What, would you rather them NOT work at all so you can biatch and complain about them having to be on Welfare/unemployment? I've done this sort of work before and the article is VERY accurate!
 
2013-02-12 03:09:24 PM  

ModernLuddite: Sweetheart, I'm sorry that all those tips from lonely old men you made when you were 18 dried up now that you're 24 and the other waitress is 18, and you thought you could wear a tight shirt and make rent by the first Saturday of the month. I really am. But have you thought about GETTING A JOB DOING LITERALLY ANYTHING ELSE?


Well to be fair the strip clubs don't want them anymore either after the stretch marks and caesarian scars.
 
2013-02-12 03:09:43 PM  

fireclown: Before this goes all crazy, has anyone experimented with a restaurant where servers are just paid a decent wage to start with so that tipping wasn't necessary?


I ate a place this weekend that included the gratuity in the price of the meal. It was a good price too, $10 bucks for an entree, a side, and a non-alcoholic drink. They didn't specify at what rate the gratuity was included though. I think a lot of country clubs operate on this model. Either way, the server was terrible. She didn't check on us once after dropping off the food and it wasn't busy.
 
2013-02-12 03:10:02 PM  

dv-ous: kidgenius: dv-ous: stonicus: FTFA: It's your fourth shift in a row at the restaurant, all doubles because you only make $2.65 an hour...

Stopped reading here, because that is just straight up not true.

It depends on the state, you nitwit.

No it doesn't.  It's a matter of federal law. It's not allowed.

http://www.minimum-wage.org/michigan-tipped-employee-minimum-wage

They get a base pay of $2.65/hour. They get bumped up to $7.40 as a minimum if tips don't make up the difference.

$2.65/hour + tips.


Exactly.  At a minimum you are guaranteed a minimum of $7.XX or whatever the going federal rate is.  Some states are higher.
 
2013-02-12 03:10:14 PM  
I have all sorts of sympathy for servers. I really do.
But when "you've been doing this for years" -- you really should have taken that assistant management gig or KM or *something*.
Waiting tables is not a career.  It can be a helpful *point* in a career.  It can round out some shiat times.  But it's not a thing you *stay* in.
Yeah, you may be able to pull down more at the peak of your serving career than the management track pays to start -- but one of those numbers trends up and the other trends down, fast.
If you think it's hard to make ends meet as a 20-something server, take a couple minutes and consider what it's like at 40- and 50-something.

/ same goes for pretty much any gratuity-based and/or manual work
 
2013-02-12 03:10:17 PM  

yelmrog: Tipping is the price you pay to eat like the nobility used to, to have people wait on you like servants. Don't like it, don't eat at restaurants.


This. I am a 20+% tipper on average. If I don't wanna pay extra, I go to places where I stand at a counter to order and go get my own food when my number is called. It's that simple.

I uinderstand why people biatch about tipping, especially the automatic gratuity nonsense, but this is the system we live under (where wait-staff is paid $2/hour). Don't like tipping, get them the minimum wage (at least). I also have been known to ask in advance for the auto gratuity to not be included and, if the manager refuses, I get up and walk.  If the manager agrees, I'll tip extra because of the principle, not the money.
 
2013-02-12 03:10:41 PM  

yelmrog: Tipping is the price you pay to eat like the nobility used to, to have people wait on you like servants.  Don't like it, don't eat at restaurants.


I pay more for the food and drink going out than making it at home. THAT'S the price I pay. I tip for a server not making it a miserable experience.
 
2013-02-12 03:10:48 PM  
Tip well at places that don't pool tips.

Tip shiatty at places that do pool tips.
 
2013-02-12 03:11:19 PM  

MmmCrime: Look at the hourly pay rate on a pay stub for most servers. You'll then understand why you're wrong.


Their rate, including tips, must be >=$7.25 an hour.  This is federal law.  Some states are higher.
 
2013-02-12 03:11:36 PM  
Quit your biatching and tip your waitron...even if he or she sucks, give him or her 15%. If he or she rocks your table, give 20%

Either that or make your own goddamn supper.
 
2013-02-12 03:12:29 PM  
ITT:

meatballcandy.com
 
2013-02-12 03:12:41 PM  

Publikwerks: If I was a waiter, I would write down info like credit cards #s and whatnot. Give me a religious track, I post your CC info on irc.


Then, you most certainly get fired, and quite possibly arrested.
 
2013-02-12 03:13:01 PM  

ModernLuddite: Sweetheart, I'm sorry that all those tips from lonely old men you made when you were 18 dried up now that you're 24 and the other waitress is 18, and you thought you could wear a tight shirt and make rent by the first Saturday of the month. I really am. But have you thought about GETTING A JOB DOING LITERALLY ANYTHING ELSE?


I think I pulled a muscle from laughing so hard...
 
2013-02-12 03:13:17 PM  

dv-ous: stonicus: FTFA: It's your fourth shift in a row at the restaurant, all doubles because you only make $2.65 an hour...

Stopped reading here, because that is just straight up not true.

It depends on the state, you nitwit.


Well tell us, which state is it?   IMO the guy writing the article must be stuck in 1980.
 
2013-02-12 03:13:46 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: even if he or she sucks, give him or her 15%.


holy shiat no. tipping exists to give those who actually deserve it recognition for being decent at their job.
 
2013-02-12 03:13:53 PM  

Beerguy: I am a maintenance manager at a public pool.

My back is throbbing from moving around 550 lb. barrels of hydrochloric acid. Then I get the call that some crumcruncher has pooped in the pool, so me and the lifeguards have to skim it out.

Then, it is discovered that someone else has vomited on the pool deck.

It goes on and on like that every day.

WE DON"T GET TIPPED.

The lifeguard that saves a different child every day from drowning doesn't get tipped. Even when they have to administer oxygen to some dumbass that decided to go swimming without his inhaler.

We know that being a waiter sucks and we know it sucks to get shiatty tips, but, you know what, a lot of us have very hard jobs too.


Do you get paid $2 an hour?  No?  Then STFU and GBTW.
 
2013-02-12 03:14:48 PM  

fastfxr: GET A DIFFERENT JOB, YOU WHINY WANKER.


No one is forcing you to do this.

Go work on a farm or ranch....then come back and whine.

/Sorry...can't stand people whining about something they have 100% power to change.


If you're going to feed and clean up after pigs and cows, you might as well do it somewhere with air conditioning.
 
2013-02-12 03:15:33 PM  
Wow, what a bunch of cheap bastards in this thread.  Is giving a few extra bucks to your server (or person from another service profession) really going to hurt you?   If so, then who really needs to get another job?
 
2013-02-12 03:15:52 PM  

kidgenius: MmmCrime: Look at the hourly pay rate on a pay stub for most servers. You'll then understand why you're wrong.

Their rate, including tips, must be >=$7.25 an hour.  This is federal law.  Some states are higher.


That is the rate at which they are taxed at if they're assumed to have made more than $30 in a month. Which means you can work the entire month, make $50 on top of the $424 you would bring in in wages, and then you're taxed as if you're making $7.25 an hr, or $1160 a month

kidgenius may be your name, but call someone you know who is a server and have them explain it to you.
 
2013-02-12 03:16:04 PM  

lennavan: It's your first time to this particular restaurant.  You look around, the place is packed.  Heck, it seems as if it has been packed all day.  But you're hungry, your wife doesn't want to drive around and you heard this place has good food so you walk up to where the hostess is supposed to be to put your name in.  But she's not there.  So you stand around and wait until she finally comes back.  After glancing at her list of names, she tells you 15-20 minutes.  Really she knows it will be more like 45 minutes but she doesn't want customers to leave so she fudges the numbers.

You look around, there's just a single bench for seating in the waiting area and it's occupied.  Some people are packed in like sardines in the inside waiting area but most people are waiting outside in the cold, so you follow suit.  After 30 minutes you ask the hostess how much longer.  She says any minute now.  Another 15 minutes go by waiting, standing outside in the cold.  Your feet hurt and you're cold but your name gets called so you go get seated.

You sit at your table with your wife and wait.  It takes your waitress 15 minutes before she bothers to come by and introduce herself.  Your waitress has 42 other people to take care of, a full load.  You're just 5% of her work load and boy does she ever treat you like it.  She says "Hi, my name is, and I'll be your server, can I get you some drinks?"   Well you order your drinks but it's another 10 minutes before she bothers to bring them out.  When you do get your drinks, they should have come with a warning - drink slowly.  There's no chance she'll notice your drink is empty and when you ask for a refill, that's another 10 minute wait.  Somewhere around 20 minutes after you sat down the waitress asks if you're ready to order.  Yeah, we were ready 15 minutes ago, where were you?  When the food comes, it's terrible.  Turns out the cook is new and keeps screwing up orders.  The waitress knows it.  You asked specifically for no nuts because you'r ...


Stop eating at IHOP.
 
2013-02-12 03:16:04 PM  
i277.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-12 03:16:12 PM  

Kanemano: No one thinks about the dishwasher, he there before the servers show up and he's there when they leave, he makes no tips, but he still has to pay rent, gets truly minimum wage with nothing extra except a sandwich at the end of the night.

where is his essay?


You're right, he makes minimum wage. $7.50 an hour. He works a set shift, just like the servers, and when he's cut, he's cut. Servers come in and make $2.65 an hour(In this case, $2.13 an hour in other cases). They have to come in and do prep at that wage, and when they are cut, they have anywhere from half an hour to two hours of sidework, rolling silverware, wiping down menus, and otherwise chasing down the lead server to get signed off before they can leave, all at $2.13 or $2.65 an hour. When Congress fights to raise the minimum wage, the dishwasher gets a raise. The server doesn't. I started waiting tables in 1990, and the wage has gone up 2 cents since then. 22 years, and 2 cents. The dishwasher also doesn't get his pay docked if the kitchen farks up the food, or if the dishwasher sends out dirty dishes. He gets to sit back there in the kitchen, usually listening to music, doesn't have to put oon a fake smaile for anyone, and doesn't have to put up with abuse from the customers as the representative of the whole restaurant.

Sure, dishwashing is dirty work, I served my time doing that as well, but these guys aren't working slave hours, they are part of a rotating shift that works the same type of hours as the server, sometimes even less, and they never end up with a paycheck that is actually a bill because wages are so low that they end up owing the restaurant money at the end of a pay cycle after taxes are taken out.

There's his essay.
 
2013-02-12 03:16:30 PM  

TheSwissNavy: the Democrats


That didn't take long. I'll play too. Hitler!
 
2013-02-12 03:16:41 PM  

Random Anonymous Blackmail: Never wanted to be a server because people are assholes.

Made the dream come true.


Same; I've worked a lot of retail and yeah, I biatch all the time about it (despite secretly liking some aspects of it), but restaurants and grocery stores are where I hope never to work. Hungry people are assholes, and feeding them doesn't always help.

I just wish I could afford to tip a bit better but they actually make more than ME at this point...
 
2013-02-12 03:16:44 PM  

fireclown: Before this goes all crazy, has anyone experimented with a restaurant where servers are just paid a decent wage to start with so that tipping wasn't necessary?


Every restaurant in Europe. Amazingly, it works pretty well.

Seriously, tipping is moronic. I do it, because the system is farked up and I don't want to hurt the server, but it needs to go away. Your job does not suck any more than a million others that don't get tips, your job is only special because restaurant owners bought congress off to exempt them from paying minimum wage.
 
2013-02-12 03:17:18 PM  
It offends me the number of servers I know who make more money than the teachers I know.  And yet few people complain about their jobs more than servers.

That is all.
 
2013-02-12 03:17:26 PM  

lennavan: It's your first time to this particular restaurant.  You look around, the place is packed.  Heck, it seems as if it has been packed all day.


Stopped reading here.  Tell your wife to stuff it and take her to McDonald's.  You knew going into it your service was going to be lacking.
 
2013-02-12 03:17:41 PM  

tripleseven: Stop eating at IHOP.


Considering many of the details from my post were copy/paste jobs from the article, I assume your response to this article is "Stop working at IHOP" then, right?
 
2013-02-12 03:17:44 PM  
4.bp.blogspot.com

/flame on
 
2013-02-12 03:18:00 PM  

Bathia_Mapes: fireclown: Before this goes all crazy, has anyone experimented with a restaurant where servers are just paid a decent wage to start with so that tipping wasn't necessary?

That would apply to any restaurant in Oregon. State law requires that all restaurant employees, whether they're working at McDonald's or a sit-down restaurant, to be paid Oregon's minimum wage. Currently that's $8.95 an hour. All tips are on top of that.


Something cool about Oregon also? Severs actually get raises like normal employees. That doesn't happen at a $2.13/hour restaurant. You can wait tables for 5 years and make the same farking wage as the day you started. Only way to earn more is to become a trainer or something, then you only get the extra wage when you're training.
 
2013-02-12 03:18:00 PM  

Farce-Side: Publikwerks: If I was a waiter, I would write down info like credit cards #s and whatnot. Give me a religious track, I post your CC info on irc.

Then, you most certainly get fired, and quite possibly arrested.


www.proxyism.com
 
2013-02-12 03:18:26 PM  

Litig8r: If being a waitress is such a lousy job, why do so many people do it?  And why have so many people done it over the years -- regardless of the economy which, I admit, is crap right now.


Yeah! Why can't we all be firemen, fighter pilots, magazine models or CEOs!!! That seems reasonable!
 
2013-02-12 03:18:28 PM  
Oh no, unskilled laborers are complaining about being paid unskilled labor wages again.

Unless you aren't covered by the FLSA, you'll get no sympathy from me about your pay.  If you can't live off minimum wage, you can't afford to be a waiter/waitress.
 
2013-02-12 03:18:38 PM  

udhq: It offends me the number of servers I know who make more money than the teachers I know.  And yet few people complain about their jobs more than servers.

That is all.


This is true also.

My oldest sister worked at Outback for years, and never had trouble making money even after tipping out.
 
2013-02-12 03:19:17 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: lennavan: It's your first time to this particular restaurant.  You look around, the place is packed.  Heck, it seems as if it has been packed all day.

Stopped reading here.  Tell your wife to stuff it and take her to McDonald's.  You knew going into it your service was going to be lacking.


The very first sentence FTFA:

It's your fourth shift in a row at the restaurant, all doubles because you only make $2.65 an hour and need to pay for rent and heat and electricity, and your section is a set of booths and tables - six four-tops, four two-tops, one eight-top - that seat forty-four customers total, and it's been packed from start to finish

Did you stop reading TFA right there and tell this server to shut it about the tips because she should know her service was lacking?
 
2013-02-12 03:19:49 PM  
C).. dont be such a farking farktard and go work somewhere else
 
2013-02-12 03:20:35 PM  

lennavan: The My Little Pony Killer: lennavan: It's your first time to this particular restaurant.  You look around, the place is packed.  Heck, it seems as if it has been packed all day.

Stopped reading here.  Tell your wife to stuff it and take her to McDonald's.  You knew going into it your service was going to be lacking.

The very first sentence FTFA:

It's your fourth shift in a row at the restaurant, all doubles because you only make $2.65 an hour and need to pay for rent and heat and electricity, and your section is a set of booths and tables - six four-tops, four two-tops, one eight-top - that seat forty-four customers total, and it's been packed from start to finish

Did you stop reading TFA right there and tell this server to shut it about the tips because she should know her service was lacking?


Explain to me how it's the server's fault that people come to the restaurant in hordes?  Or that you chose to eat at their particular restaurant when you could clearly see that they were hit hard by a rush?
 
2013-02-12 03:20:50 PM  

fireclown: Before this goes all crazy, has anyone experimented with a restaurant where servers are just paid a decent wage to start with so that tipping wasn't necessary?


There are lots of countries where tipping is not expected and suprisingly, the service is just as good (better in Japan) as most place in North America. That being said, I don't mind tipping but the problem is that some servers expect a 20% tip for doing the bare minimum which I think sours people on the whole issue.
 
2013-02-12 03:21:06 PM  

MmmCrime: kidgenius: MmmCrime: Look at the hourly pay rate on a pay stub for most servers. You'll then understand why you're wrong.

Their rate, including tips, must be >=$7.25 an hour.  This is federal law.  Some states are higher.

That is the rate at which they are taxed at if they're assumed to have made more than $30 in a month. Which means you can work the entire month, make $50 on top of the $424 you would bring in in wages, and then you're taxed as if you're making $7.25 an hr, or $1160 a month

kidgenius may be your name, but call someone you know who is a server and have them explain it to you.


No, sorry, but that's not the way it works.

You are required to make that as a minimum. Then, you are taxed at whatever you make. So if you make that minimum, you get taxed at it. If you make more, you get taxed at that rate.

What the really happens is this:

Employee takes tips as cash and doesn't report to boss & IRS, etc.
Employer marks "7.25/hr"

Employee is actually making more than that, but doesn't want to pay the tax man.

IF the employee is really making less than 7.25/hr, then they should track it. Report their real tips to their boss. Then, their boss will be required by law to kick them up to the minimum.
 
2013-02-12 03:21:20 PM  

lennavan: tripleseven: Stop eating at IHOP.

Considering many of the details from my post were copy/paste jobs from the article, I assume your response to this article is "Stop working at IHOP" then, right?


Correct.  Get into fine dining and make $200-$300 a night.
 
2013-02-12 03:21:45 PM  
Tip your server, or don't eat out at a restaurant, you cheap piece of shiat.

Honestly, why is that so hard to understand?
 
2013-02-12 03:21:55 PM  
Ok guys got a quetion about tipping.  At Chinese buffets do you leave a tip?  I tend to leave one but not as much as I would if I was going to TGIFridays or some place like that.
 
2013-02-12 03:22:23 PM  

John Napkintosh: holy shiat no. tipping exists to give those who actually deserve it recognition for being decent at their job.


Don't be that guy.

Really.
 
2013-02-12 03:22:47 PM  

fireclown: Before this goes all crazy, has anyone experimented with a restaurant where servers are just paid a decent wage to start with so that tipping wasn't necessary?


Northstar Cafe in Columbus, Ohio.  They have a couple locations around the city, and they have it printed on all their menus that the staff is paid a normal wage and doesn't work for tips.  I haven't had a single bad experience in the 3 years that I've been going there, and I enjoy the fact that there's not some unspoken expectation of tip at the end of the meal.
 
2013-02-12 03:22:56 PM  

feickus: Ok guys got a quetion about tipping.  At Chinese buffets do you leave a tip?  I tend to leave one but not as much as I would if I was going to TGIFridays or some place like that.


If you are refilling your own drink and clearing your own table. No tip.

If they complain, tell them Tipping is not a city in China.
 
2013-02-12 03:23:12 PM  
And then you start clearing the table of all the plates and side plates and glasses and napkins and silverware, and underneath it all is the check with your tip waiting on the line above the total, except that line is empty, and in the white space on the check to the side of the list of food that was ordered is a hastily-written note telling you that you don't deserve a tip for just doing your job.

Getting stiffed sucks, but I had one that sucked even more... Waiting tables doing a late lunch/early dinner thing in Phx. Friday afternoon, a bunch of lawyers from down the street come in, maybe 12 or 15 people. They stay for an hour and a half or so, everyone eats, has 3 or 4 drinks, pays their bills, and starts putting tip money in the center of the table as they leave. 2 guys remain, set up camp, and proceed to hang at that table for another 2 hours, shooting the shiat, and funding all of their drinks from the tip money in the center. End of story, a dozen people, 4 hours of my time, $150 or so of sales(That I get taxed on, regardless of whether or not I make any money), and I get about $4. Watching some cheap asshole using your income to buy himself drinks when you know he has the money to buy his own farking drinks? Beats getting stiffed any day, because you can't do a goddam thing about it.
 
2013-02-12 03:23:28 PM  

ChipNASA: [4.bp.blogspot.com image 640x960]

/flame on


A black customer didn't tip???  Whaaa?
 
2013-02-12 03:23:34 PM  

Taima: Wow, what a bunch of cheap bastards in this thread.  Is giving a few extra bucks to your server (or person from another service profession) really going to hurt you?   If so, then who really needs to get another job?


MmmCrime: kidgenius: MmmCrime: Look at the hourly pay rate on a pay stub for most servers. You'll then understand why you're wrong.

Their rate, including tips, must be >=$7.25 an hour.  This is federal law.  Some states are higher.

That is the rate at which they are taxed at if they're assumed to have made more than $30 in a month. Which means you can work the entire month, make $50 on top of the $424 you would bring in in wages, and then you're taxed as if you're making $7.25 an hr, or $1160 a month

kidgenius may be your name, but call someone you know who is a server and have them explain it to you.


If you brought in $424 ($2.65/hour @ 40 hours/week @ 4 weeks/month) and $50 in tips on top of that, then your employers has to pay you an additional $686 out of his pocket to put you at $1160/month ($7.25/hour).  That's federal law.  If you earn less than minimum wage, then your employer must make up the difference.  That is the law.  If your employers haven't been doing this to you, then you got screwed and your employers have broken the law.
 
2013-02-12 03:24:00 PM  

gingerjet: FTFA There are two types of people in America: those who have worked in the service industry, and those who have not. Those who have know this story like the back of their hand, because they have lived it. Those who haven't are, virtually without exception, the reason stories like this exist.

So what?  Try ditch digging for a living. Or roofing in 120 degree weather.  Or guard patrol in Iraq.  At least you are in doors most of the time.  Or 75 hours a week months straight to make a development deadline.  I've never worked a service job in my life but I've fark'd enough waiters in my lifetime to know that waiting tables isn't the hardest job in the world.

/the server does their job well - they get tipped
//if they don't - they get nothing
///nooooothing


Im a waiter.....
 
2013-02-12 03:24:10 PM  
Alternatively, the US could join the rest of the civilized world and pay servers a living wage.

I never tip and neither should you.  It just perpetuates a broken system.
 
2013-02-12 03:24:15 PM  
I think people are missing the bigger issue

Tip or don't tip. If you have a reason not to tip or whatnot, fine.

 BUT DON'T BE AN ASSHOLE ABOUT IT.

 Being an asshole about it is what takes it to the next level. Lots of servers have been stiffed(that's what she said), but they move on. But when you take that as an opportunity to be a asshole, well, you deserve your internet shaming
 
2013-02-12 03:24:32 PM  
Q: Why did the waitress get a small tip?

A: Because she didn't earn the whole thing!
 
2013-02-12 03:24:36 PM  

tricycleracer: ChipNASA: [4.bp.blogspot.com image 640x960]

/flame on

A black customer didn't tip???  Whaaa?


summerlandbaptist.ca
 
2013-02-12 03:24:49 PM  

feickus: Ok guys got a quetion about tipping.  At Chinese buffets do you leave a tip?  I tend to leave one but not as much as I would if I was going to TGIFridays or some place like that.


the answer to this question has always evaded me...

I tend, like you, to leave something ...at very least a dollar.
 
2013-02-12 03:25:02 PM  

fireclown: Before this goes all crazy, has anyone experimented with a restaurant where servers are just paid a decent wage to start with so that tipping wasn't necessary?


I was a server for a few months at a restaurant in a small beach town about 7 years ago, and we were paid pretty well ($8-10 per hour, all under the table).  Tipping wasn't a necessity, but the out-of-towners did so anyway, and did so very well.  I only left because I found full-time work elsewhere.

/shame they're not hiring at the moment
 
2013-02-12 03:25:45 PM  
I'm not reading the article.  I'm sure it details a difficult, low paying job where some patrons can be absolute a**holes.  I've never waited tables, but can appreciate it.  Having said that, deal with it or do something about it.  Don't want to be a waiter/waitress?  Invest in yourself and get a better job.
 
2013-02-12 03:26:33 PM  
Working in the restaurant business is really tough and can be a whole lotta work.


....and if you don't like it then get a farking education or skill and make a living by doing something you won't biatch about.  I did...as did most I know

/Don't complain about something that you can change
 
2013-02-12 03:26:51 PM  

tlchwi02: europeans seem to do just fine.


RembrandtQEinstein: Yes, most everywhere I've been to in Europe. And the service is just fine.


Gunderson: Of Course. It's called "Europe".


dv-ous: Europe.

It works.


You people have had very different experiences in Europe than I have.  I can count on one hand how many times I got even halfway decent service.  And no, I wasn't being an ugly American.  I actually kept getting confused for being a local where ever the hell I went.

I like our tipping process just fine, thanks.
 
2013-02-12 03:26:54 PM  

Perlin Noise: feickus: Ok guys got a quetion about tipping.  At Chinese buffets do you leave a tip?  I tend to leave one but not as much as I would if I was going to TGIFridays or some place like that.

the answer to this question has always evaded me...

I tend, like you, to leave something ...at very least a dollar.


You have to look out for the double-drop at buffets.  The whole check may be going in the server's pocket.
 
2013-02-12 03:27:01 PM  

TheSwissNavy: Only a white person would refer to $9/hour as "slave wages".  Slaves were generally paid a lot less, like, zero.

And it's not so simple that servers t make $2.65 an hour - if their tips don't bring their gross up to minimum wage,they are paid minimum wage. Which isn't much, but when the Democrats had control of Congress with a filibuster-proof Senate, and the Presidency, from July 2010 to January 2012, they didn't bother fixing this. Or anything.

/wanker


No, if 18% of your SALES don't equal minimum wage, you're brought up to minimum wage. There's a difference. You work out of your own drawer, so at the end of the night, after you have turned in your money, what's left is your tips. There is no way for you to prove how much or how little you make, so they take an automatic percentage of your sales and assume that you made that, whether you did or not. If THAT total doesn't make up the difference, then something is done, but if you get stiffed, nothing is done to make it up, no matter what you believe to be true.
 
2013-02-12 03:27:04 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: lennavan: The My Little Pony Killer: lennavan: It's your first time to this particular restaurant.  You look around, the place is packed.  Heck, it seems as if it has been packed all day.

Stopped reading here.  Tell your wife to stuff it and take her to McDonald's.  You knew going into it your service was going to be lacking.

The very first sentence FTFA:

It's your fourth shift in a row at the restaurant, all doubles because you only make $2.65 an hour and need to pay for rent and heat and electricity, and your section is a set of booths and tables - six four-tops, four two-tops, one eight-top - that seat forty-four customers total, and it's been packed from start to finish

Did you stop reading TFA right there and tell this server to shut it about the tips because she should know her service was lacking?

Explain to me how it's the server's fault that people come to the restaurant in hordes?  Or that you chose to eat at their particular restaurant when you could clearly see that they were hit hard by a rush?


Explain to me how it's the customer's fault that the restaurant gave the waitress more tables than she could handle well enough to give decent service.

Holy fark dude, you're arguing it's the customer's fault they got shiatty service because they ... ate there.
 
2013-02-12 03:27:55 PM  

JesusJuice: I never tip and neither should you.


I suggest that you don't visit the same establishment more than once every year or two.
 
2013-02-12 03:28:22 PM  

Jument: Yay, another tipping thread! Honestly, aren't we getting tired of this yet?


yes we are!
 
2013-02-12 03:29:02 PM  
For every waitress out there getting nothing, there's a hot waitress getting 30%+ from desperate guys. Let's be honest here. More often than not, the amount a waitress is tipped is directly proportional to how hot she is.
 
2013-02-12 03:29:34 PM  
In Washington State the servers make at least $9.19/hour (state minimum wage).

Washington has the highest minimum wage in the USA and servers must be paid no less than the state minimum (not including tips).  When I hear servers in Washington complain about tippers it makes me not want to tip any of them.  I don't get tips at work for provide services and technical support.
 
2013-02-12 03:29:42 PM  
If you hate tipping, learn how to cook, even just the basics.

In no time at all you'll be able to prepare better meals than 90% of the Sysco boiled-bag slop that you used to eat.
 
2013-02-12 03:31:10 PM  
I've hear this before, get a better job, I don't get tips at my job, I shouldn't have to supplement the server's pay...yada yada yada.

But bottom line...

If you get decent service and don't leave a decent tip - you're an asshole.  Period.
 
2013-02-12 03:31:28 PM  
Tipping....

I generally tip 10%, with a minimum of $2. If I get truly competent service I may go as high as 15%, maybe more if the prices on the menu aren't already gutting my wallet.

It's rare I don't tip something. Truly bad service gets pocket change, probably in the range of $.50 to $1, at least, if I plan on coming back because the food's good and maybe next time I'll get a server who doesn't suck.

If the food AND service sucks, I tip nothing, and also tend to pay in cash, as A: I'm not going back and B: as such, I don't plan on giving them my card as it's likely they'll add their own tip to my bill.
 
2013-02-12 03:31:29 PM  
I work near a regional Geico office.  They hire lots of people.  If someone out there isn't interested in a starting pay of $32,000 per year (add 3k if you're willing to work 3rd shift), full benefits, discounts on insurance and working indoors taking claims, payments or selling policies that are coming from people on the outside (no cold calling), plus 401k and bonuses, I really can't help you out. All without a college education. Hell, they have tuition reimbursement, too.

If you'd rather wait tables in this area, you are either not looking for full-time employment, a drug addict that can't pass a simple drug test, or just lazy.

CSB - know a guy who's been over there for about six years - makes about 68k and all he does is talk on the phone. Not bad for a guy who used to wait tables and decided enough was enough.
 
2013-02-12 03:32:06 PM  

stonicus: Taima: Wow, what a bunch of cheap bastards in this thread.  Is giving a few extra bucks to your server (or person from another service profession) really going to hurt you?   If so, then who really needs to get another job?

MmmCrime: kidgenius: MmmCrime: Look at the hourly pay rate on a pay stub for most servers. You'll then understand why you're wrong.

Their rate, including tips, must be >=$7.25 an hour.  This is federal law.  Some states are higher.

That is the rate at which they are taxed at if they're assumed to have made more than $30 in a month. Which means you can work the entire month, make $50 on top of the $424 you would bring in in wages, and then you're taxed as if you're making $7.25 an hr, or $1160 a month

kidgenius may be your name, but call someone you know who is a server and have them explain it to you.

If you brought in $424 ($2.65/hour @ 40 hours/week @ 4 weeks/month) and $50 in tips on top of that, then your employers has to pay you an additional $686 out of his pocket to put you at $1160/month ($7.25/hour).  That's federal law.  If you earn less than minimum wage, then your employer must make up the difference.  That is the law.  If your employers haven't been doing this to you, then you got screwed and your employers have broken the law.


The FLSA only applies to enterprise businesses (more than 2 employees, $500k.)  While that does cover most of the chain places, I'm sure there are small businesses out there whose employees are not protected.
 
hej
2013-02-12 03:32:28 PM  
It's strange, but seeing one story after another about how I need to be tipping servers actually makes me want to do it less.
 
2013-02-12 03:33:02 PM  

Mikey1969: TheSwissNavy: Only a white person would refer to $9/hour as "slave wages".  Slaves were generally paid a lot less, like, zero.

And it's not so simple that servers t make $2.65 an hour - if their tips don't bring their gross up to minimum wage,they are paid minimum wage. Which isn't much, but when the Democrats had control of Congress with a filibuster-proof Senate, and the Presidency, from July 2010 to January 2012, they didn't bother fixing this. Or anything.

/wanker

No, if 18% of your SALES don't equal minimum wage, you're brought up to minimum wage. There's a difference. You work out of your own drawer, so at the end of the night, after you have turned in your money, what's left is your tips. There is no way for you to prove how much or how little you make, so they take an automatic percentage of your sales and assume that you made that, whether you did or not. If THAT total doesn't make up the difference, then something is done, but if you get stiffed, nothing is done to make it up, no matter what you believe to be true.


Where do you get your 18% number? That's likely just a management thing.

from the DOL
"An employer may pay a tipped employee not less than $2.13 an hour in direct wages if that amount plus the tips received equal at least the federal minimum wage, the employee retains all tips and the employee customarily and regularly receives more than $30 a month in tips. If an employee's tips combined with the employer's direct wages of at least $2.13 an hour do not equal the federal minimum hourly wage, the employer must make up the difference."

Nothing about sales.

If you feel you didn't make the minimum wage per hour, keep a log and document everything. If you really didn't make it, show it to your boss, and report them if you'd like.
 
2013-02-12 03:33:27 PM  
"You want a tip?........DOOON'T bet on the races ! "

i.imgur.com
 
2013-02-12 03:33:28 PM  

Bathia_Mapes: fireclown: Before this goes all crazy, has anyone experimented with a restaurant where servers are just paid a decent wage to start with so that tipping wasn't necessary?

That would apply to any restaurant in Oregon. State law requires that all restaurant employees, whether they're working at McDonald's or a sit-down restaurant, to be paid Oregon's minimum wage. Currently that's $8.95 an hour. All tips are on top of that.


which is why i barf in my mouth just a little bit at the sanctimonious attitude thrown about at most eateries here.
add to that the idea that i'm supposed to be GRATEFUL that they chose to serve me at all

& ya, you gotta earn that tip
 
2013-02-12 03:33:34 PM  

feickus: Ok guys got a quetion about tipping.  At Chinese buffets do you leave a tip?  I tend to leave one but not as much as I would if I was going to TGIFridays or some place like that.


I *think* the standard is that if you are serving yourself at a buffet, but the waiter is refilling your drink/water/cleaning your old plates off, then you leave 10% for good service whereas 20% for good service at a *real* restaurant.

What I find baffling (having worked in the food service industry when I was younger) is that the waiter/waitress gets a tip at all. People will come back to a restaurant if the service is mediocre, but the food is excellent. They will not return if the food sucks... yet the cooks typically get *no* tip out.

It would make more sense to me if the roles were reversed. A set wage for waiters/waitresses and tip wages for cook staff.

But the waiters/waitresses here will get get sand in their vaginas after reading this I'm sure.
 
hej
2013-02-12 03:34:14 PM  

Kanemano: fireclown: Before this goes all crazy, has anyone experimented with a restaurant where servers are just paid a decent wage to start with so that tipping wasn't necessary?

A lot of the hotels here (Waikiki) are unionized so the serving staff make about $16 an hour

there is no discernible difference in service from the stand alone non unionized places.


What about difference in cost?
 
2013-02-12 03:34:38 PM  
It's one thing to leave nothing or a buck or two.  Whatever.

It's a whole different story when the customer feels the need to scribble a pointless little love note whose only purpose is to try and point out that he or she is better off than the lowly server.

Trust me.  The server already knows you're better off than they are.  That's why they're waiting on you.  They don't need you to remind them of that.
 
2013-02-12 03:34:55 PM  

JesusJuice: Alternatively, the US could join the rest of the civilized world and pay servers a living wage.

I never tip and neither should you.  It just perpetuates a broken system.


And meanwhile, you save a lot of money at the expense of your server. If you want to start a responsible boycott - you know, a high-visibility one, with media attention and what have you - gather a bunch of people for 'anti-tipping day' and swarm a restauraunt, with NOBODY tipping, so that the owner has to pay out the minimum wage. And make sure to be VERY nice to the servers, since they'll be stuck in your scheme whether they agree or not, and be taking home less pay today because of it. But all your 'solitary rebellion' does is satisfy your own greed.
 
2013-02-12 03:34:58 PM  
They can always pick produce for minimum wage instead of waiting tables for 2.50 an hour
 
2013-02-12 03:35:49 PM  

doczoidberg: Tip your server, or don't eat out at a restaurant, you cheap piece of shiat.

Honestly, why is that so hard to understand?


Serve well and get a tip. Why is that so hard to understand. The idea that tipping is mandatory just because I chose your establishment to spend my money at is absurd.
 
2013-02-12 03:36:05 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: JesusJuice: I never tip and neither should you.

I suggest that you don't visit the same establishment more than once every year or two.


Threats of having your food spit in, extorting money from people for over 50 years.
 
2013-02-12 03:37:16 PM  

Vodka Zombie: Trust me.  The server already knows you're better off than they are.  That's why they're waiting on you.  They don't need you to remind them of that.


Just because someone is serving you doesn't mean they are below you or that you are better than they are.  That's a pretty asinine thing to say.  Servers never go out to eat at other restaurants?
 
2013-02-12 03:37:23 PM  

Giltric: They can always pick produce for minimum wage instead of waiting tables for 2.50 an hour


Hah, right. No, farmers apparently don't want to pay a competitive (or at least minimum) wage, which is why they tend to ACTUALLY whine when illegals get cracked down on.
 
2013-02-12 03:37:33 PM  

feickus: Ok guys got a quetion about tipping.  At Chinese buffets do you leave a tip?  I tend to leave one but not as much as I would if I was going to TGIFridays or some place like that.


I've heard that $1/place setting is reasonable.
 
2013-02-12 03:37:36 PM  

aspAddict: As a former food service slave from WAY back, I always make sure I tip well. If the service is great, I tip even better. shiatty waitstaff still get a decent tip from me, just because I know what it's like on that side of the serving tray.

CSB
One night, after a particularly bad experience with a trainee waiter, I tipped him roughly 25%. On the way to the car, my girlfriend said, "Why did you tip him that much? He was AWFUL!" I just replied, "Look, I've done his job before. It's miserable when you know what you're doing. It's his FIRST day on the job, so he's going to make mistakes. In the grand scheme of things, what is the right thing to do: give someone a little extra encouragement, or walk out of there with the measly $10-15.00 tip still in your pocket? That money means more to him right now that it did to me."
/CSB


Well if that place is the same as any other place i've seen that has wait staff, you just tipped that waiter/tress that trained the new guy. good jerb.
 
2013-02-12 03:37:48 PM  

super_grass: Remember kids, waiters are the hardest working people on the planet. Without them, society would come to a grinding halt!


They should be paid the same amount as surgeons, lawyers and elementary school teachers.
 
2013-02-12 03:38:11 PM  
Get some effing job skills and you won't work such a shiatty job.
 
2013-02-12 03:38:43 PM  
Keeping it as a tip though allows the servers to keep the money, other than the agreed upon splits to bartender, bus staff, crumber, and Host/Hostess. Once it changes to a mandatory service fee or is built into the prices the business can do whatever it wants with the money, for example pay their managers out of it.This is common in catering, where less than half of the 15% fee is used to provide the pay for staff, normally $10-$15 per hour. The rest goes back into the business.

Anyways, the article is propaganda, it is much less common, except for the "we pretend to not know how to tip" Europeans for people tip less than 10-20% nowadays. Also, don't forget the Server doesn't clear the table as stated in the article; the busboy does that, even at diners.

Why don't we discuss the why the IRS uses 8% on sales volume to determine income?  Naturally you can claim less, but those tend to get flagged for review. For every 3% average above that 8% you get to keep an additional 1% of income as untaxed. This is a substantial unreported income that also is used by the propaganda machine to cry about how little servers make.

At a moderate prices restaurant you should expect to take home $250-$300 per shift for the two peak days and $100-$150 for your off days. Pulling a double means lunch so another $50-$75 per day.

In other words, servers at restaurants with entrees that price about $15 should expect to take home between $600-$700 per week for five eight hour shifts, $15 an hour or about $35,000-$40,000 per year after you add in the tax bonus provided due to cash tips.

If they were making less than minimum wage they'd work at McDonald's and not at a full service restaurant.
 
2013-02-12 03:38:52 PM  

JesusJuice: I never tip and neither should you.  It just perpetuates a broken system.


Yeah, way to stick it to the Man!!!!!

2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-02-12 03:40:46 PM  
If you don't believe in tipping, then don't go to restaurants with tipped employees. McDonald's and Burger King are just waiting for you to walk in the door.

If you want to eat at the big boy restaurants, then you pay for the fact that you get service at them, as opposed to ordering your food at a counter and bringing it to your table on your own, as well as handling drink refills, cleaning up after yourself, going back for desert, etc...
 
2013-02-12 03:41:14 PM  
sounds like they smaller sections so she doesn't ache and can give proper service.

Also, she should have pre-bussed.  Also if her section is smaller less likely she will hit the kitchen with several orders at once causing them to be weeded and could head off potential problems before they happen, like checking food prior to hitting the table.
 
2013-02-12 03:41:54 PM  

hej: Kanemano: fireclown: Before this goes all crazy, has anyone experimented with a restaurant where servers are just paid a decent wage to start with so that tipping wasn't necessary?

A lot of the hotels here (Waikiki) are unionized so the serving staff make about $16 an hour

there is no discernible difference in service from the stand alone non unionized places.

What about difference in cost?


slightly higher, but that could be because the hotels are beachfront properties, the little bistro's can't get a place that close to the water but one of the best restaurants here is in an office building so there's that.

http://www.yelp.com/biz/alan-wongs-restaurant-honolulu
 
2013-02-12 03:42:00 PM  

NathanAllen:
Why don't we discuss the why the IRS uses 8% on sales volume to determine income?  Naturally you can claim less, but those tend to get flagged for review. For every 3% average above that 8% you get to keep an additional 1% of income as untaxed. This is a substantial unreported income that also is used by the propaganda machine to cry about how little servers make.


It's amazing how few people recognize that this is what goes on.

My wife used to work in a salon. I know how much she made and I know how much the government thinks she made.
 
2013-02-12 03:42:08 PM  
God damn tipping thread. I love working for a small business, one of the busiest bars in town.

If you don't tip, we usually start slow -- we'll make a comment or stop opening your beer. Three strikes and we either cut you off or kick you out, because we reserve the right to refuse service for any reason. Not tipping? You're a dick. And you can leave.
 
2013-02-12 03:42:24 PM  

stonicus: Vodka Zombie: Trust me.  The server already knows you're better off than they are.  That's why they're waiting on you.  They don't need you to remind them of that.

Just because someone is serving you doesn't mean they are below you or that you are better than they are.  That's a pretty asinine thing to say.  Servers never go out to eat at other restaurants?


That's is certainly not the point I was making.  Strange that you only managed to read the last part of what I wrote when there was a whole lot more.

Did my comment get hacked off or something midway through?

Nope.  It's all there.

That's weird, isn't it?  I mean, really.  I don't know if your computer is faulty or what, but you might want to have it looked at or something if it's only displaying partial comments here.
 
2013-02-12 03:42:26 PM  

Gunderson: feickus: Ok guys got a quetion about tipping.  At Chinese buffets do you leave a tip?  I tend to leave one but not as much as I would if I was going to TGIFridays or some place like that.

I've heard that $1/place setting is reasonable.


Heck yeah, you dont tip as much at the pigsty as you do as those fancy places...
 
2013-02-12 03:42:35 PM  

kevinfra: I've hear this before, get a better job, I don't get tips at my job, I shouldn't have to supplement the server's pay...yada yada yada.

But bottom line...

If you get decent service and don't leave a decent tip - you're an asshole.  Period.


Agreed.

If, however, I worked a 60 hour week and am taking my girlfriend out for our first date night in a month, her first night away from the kids in 2 months, and we get shiatty service?  You get no tip.  In fact, if I can hear you talking on the phone, or chatting it up with another waitress at the server's stand about your personal problems, boyfriend problems, health issues, rotten kids, etc. while I wait 20 minutes for a drink, I'm gonna be an asshole about it.

My tipping starting point is 20%.  It drops rapidly if the server is a douchebag.  Zero is totally acceptable in extreme circumstances.
 
PJ-
2013-02-12 03:42:52 PM  
To be quite honest, I never understood how tipping became a percentage of your bill.  I don't tip based upon the bill, because that's just ridiculous, if I sit at a place and have a snack and a quick drink, but spend an hour there milking my drink (or three), would it be fair that I left $5 because my bill was $23?  No, I would probably tip about $10, not because I'm tipping almost 50%, but the fact that I spend an hour there.

At the same fact, I show up with a date and have a meal that last 30 minutes, but the bill comes to me saying $100.  Why the hell would anybody deserve making $30 an hour off me alone.  That's more than I make, and also more than a lot of people I know make.  It's only two people and since it's a quick dinner, it's not like we are ordering plate after plate and drink after drink.

Basically, the way I tip is based on how much time I spend there, and relate tipping on an hourly wage.  If they are good at their job, they get a good tip, because good workers get paid well.  The most I will tip personally is $15 an hour, which, to me anyways, is a very healthy wage, and anybody complaining that I a small tipper deserves to be kicked in the nuts.
 
2013-02-12 03:42:52 PM  
I feel like this thread should be nuked from orbit.
 
hej
2013-02-12 03:42:58 PM  

Mikey1969: If you don't believe in tipping, then don't go to restaurants with tipped employees. McDonald's and Burger King are just waiting for you to walk in the door.


You don't tip at McDonalds or Burger King??
 
2013-02-12 03:43:26 PM  

kidgenius: Nothing about sales.

If you feel you didn't make the minimum wage per hour, keep a log and document everything. If you really didn't make it, show it to your boss, and report them if you'd like.


It's ALL about sales. You have no witness, no way to prove that table 12 left you $3 on a $200 tab, unless it's a credit card. The only way they can track it is based on your sales. Your little "log" will get you laughed out of the manager's office.

/That is unless you think that you can get a notary to follow you around all night.  Welcome to reality, your employer isn't just going to take your word for it if you don't make enough.
 
2013-02-12 03:44:16 PM  

Ecobuckeye: This story is an obvious fake.

A boozehound orders no olives. Those things take up space.


This and this and this. And this?
 
2013-02-12 03:44:32 PM  

NathanAllen: Keeping it as a tip though allows the servers to keep the money, other than the agreed upon splits to bartender, bus staff, crumber, and Host/Hostess. Once it changes to a mandatory service fee or is built into the prices the business can do whatever it wants with the money, for example pay their managers out of it.This is common in catering, where less than half of the 15% fee is used to provide the pay for staff, normally $10-$15 per hour. The rest goes back into the business.

Anyways, the article is propaganda, it is much less common, except for the "we pretend to not know how to tip" Europeans for people tip less than 10-20% nowadays. Also, don't forget the Server doesn't clear the table as stated in the article; the busboy does that, even at diners.

Why don't we discuss the why the IRS uses 8% on sales volume to determine income?  Naturally you can claim less, but those tend to get flagged for review. For every 3% average above that 8% you get to keep an additional 1% of income as untaxed. This is a substantial unreported income that also is used by the propaganda machine to cry about how little servers make.

At a moderate prices restaurant you should expect to take home $250-$300 per shift for the two peak days and $100-$150 for your off days. Pulling a double means lunch so another $50-$75 per day.

In other words, servers at restaurants with entrees that price about $15 should expect to take home between $600-$700 per week for five eight hour shifts, $15 an hour or about $35,000-$40,000 per year after you add in the tax bonus provided due to cash tips.

If they were making less than minimum wage they'd work at McDonald's and not at a full service restaurant.


As someone who has lived in the US and Europe - I would VERY strongly advise against using the EU as an example of how restaurants should be done.

Restaurants here are significantly more expensive and the service is significantly worse than anything I was accustom to in the US
 
2013-02-12 03:45:01 PM  

thismomentinblackhistory: God damn tipping thread. I love working for a small business, one of the busiest bars in town.

If you don't tip, we usually start slow -- we'll make a comment or stop opening your beer. Three strikes and we either cut you off or kick you out, because we reserve the right to refuse service for any reason. Not tipping? You're a dick. And you can leave.


LOL dont tell the owner or you'll be the one going out the door, asshole.
 
2013-02-12 03:45:20 PM  

RembrandtQEinstein: fireclown: Before this goes all crazy, has anyone experimented with a restaurant where servers are just paid a decent wage to start with so that tipping wasn't necessary?

Yes, most everywhere I've been to in Europe. And the service is just fine. In the UK the service wasn't great but it was still adequate. Tipping is nothing more than legalized tax evasion for the food carriers, and its a slimy way to transfer risk from himself to his employees for restaurant owners.


It's also annoying that some folks are not contributing their fair share in SS and MCare contributions.  Not so much the waiters I'm concerned about, but generations of restaurant owners have scammed the system.
 
2013-02-12 03:45:27 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: JesusJuice: I never tip and neither should you.

I suggest that you don't visit the same establishment more than once every year or two.


I always inspect my food for contaminants and if I think anything is off, I speak to a manager.  I will also speak to a manager if I feel I'm not getting good service just because I refuse to tip.  Only one place has ever told me I wasn't welcome, everywhere else has been very accommodating.
 
2013-02-12 03:45:28 PM  

thismomentinblackhistory: If you don't tip, we usually start slow -- we'll make a comment or stop opening your beer.


I always get a kick out of bartenders specifically.  You opened a beer, so clearly you deserve $1.

No need to kick me out.  If a bartender ever commented on not getting a tip for opening a beer, I'd leave.  The place is clearly run by assholes.
 
2013-02-12 03:45:30 PM  
I had to scrounge in my car once to get enough to pay a check.  I left ("stiffing" the waitress), went to an ATM, got some change, and returned with a generous tip.  I got a laugh from the manager.

Sure, maybe the system's broken.  It's supposed to give some control to the customer with regard to getting good service.  But until the system's fixed you're just punishing the server.

And yes, there are worse jobs, but most of them don't rely on tips.  So I suppose if you don't care about the service, then don't tip and they'll make minimum wage and you'll start getting shiatty service because that's all they'll make.
 
2013-02-12 03:45:38 PM  

hej: Mikey1969: If you don't believe in tipping, then don't go to restaurants with tipped employees. McDonald's and Burger King are just waiting for you to walk in the door.

You don't tip at McDonalds or Burger King??


Only on the 5th Tuesday in February...
 
2013-02-12 03:45:51 PM  

marleymaniac: yelmrog: Tipping is the price you pay to eat like the nobility used to, to have people wait on you like servants.  Don't like it, don't eat at restaurants.

I pay more for the food and drink going out than making it at home. THAT'S the price I pay. I tip for a server not making it a miserable experience.


You'd pay those inflated prices even if the place you're eating at doesn't have servers (chipotle, Qdoba, Buffet joints, etc).

Seriously.  You want to have servants bring you food and refill your drinks like you're some kind of big shot?  Then act like one and kick down some of that sweet high roller cash to the unwashed masses.
 
2013-02-12 03:46:09 PM  
Look, there are plenty of reasons to whine about tipping. Even some more than legitimate ones. I sympathize, I really do. To an honest, ethical person, a tip is a reward for good service, or a hope for it in the case of some pre meal wheel greasing. Tipping is the price you pay for eating out and being slaved over like you are some 15th century nobleman.

However, pretty much every argument goes out the window if you honestly realize that in most states tipped employees are nearly slave labor with almost no employment protection in any way.


But I'm not surprised that the Fark conservative, armchair libertarian brigades shiat on tipping. I think most of you should be punched in the genitals repeatedly until morale improves and you stop being selfish, awful, horrible, disgusting evil shiatbags who should die.

/those tip jars at chipotle ARE bullshiat though.
 
2013-02-12 03:47:22 PM  

Jument: Yay, another tipping thread! Honestly, aren't we getting tired of this yet?



The liberals need someone to pity.The author of this article is some kind of idiot MFA who never worked a real job.The fact is that pity is a terrible value.If being a server is so bad, people will migrate to some other job. But they don't. I wonder why?The kind of "writing" exhibited in this article reminds me of being in 7th grade all over again.So does the sentiment. Liberalism is a mental disorder
 
2013-02-12 03:47:36 PM  

JesusJuice: Alternatively, the US could join the rest of the civilized world and pay servers a living wage.

I never tip and neither should you.  It just perpetuates a broken system.


You're a douchebag and should fully expect your food to have "bonuses" in it.  Boycott the restaurant, talk to the owner, don't punish the waiter that has no say in the matter.  Either way you'd be paying the same amount for the meal, if you can't/don't want to pay that then eat at home.

Douche.
 
2013-02-12 03:48:12 PM  

stonicus


Vodka Zombie: Trust me. The server already knows you're better off than they are. That's why they're waiting on you. They don't need you to remind them of that.

Just because someone is serving you doesn't mean they are below you or that you are better than they are. That's a pretty asinine thing to say. Servers never go out to eat at other restaurants?


I embiggened the word that stonicus obviously missed.
 
2013-02-12 03:48:20 PM  
 your section is a set of booths and tables - six four-tops, four two-tops, one eight-top - that seat forty-four customers total

Hmmm.  It seems a "four-top" is waiter slang for a table that seats four people.  And so on. So I've got 24 people sitting at "four-tops", 8 people sitting at "two-tops", and 8 people sitting at an "eight-top". Where are the other 4 people sitting? How can I server them if I don't know where they are? Can I still get a tip from them?
 
2013-02-12 03:48:42 PM  

Madbassist1: thismomentinblackhistory: God damn tipping thread. I love working for a small business, one of the busiest bars in town.

If you don't tip, we usually start slow -- we'll make a comment or stop opening your beer. Three strikes and we either cut you off or kick you out, because we reserve the right to refuse service for any reason. Not tipping? You're a dick. And you can leave.

LOL dont tell the owner or you'll be the one going out the door, asshole.


Not likely. Corporate restaurants have ruined customers expectations. People think they can go wherever they want and act however they want and that nobody will call them out on it. We don't put up with any shiat, and the numbers we put up on a fricking Tuesday are what most in this town would kill for on a Saturday.

If we don't like you, we don't serve you. We don't need 14 frat boys screaming for bud lights and ruining the place just because they have money. They can go be farks somewhere else.
 
2013-02-12 03:48:45 PM  
www.raucousrecords.com

I worked in the service industry for years. Stories like this are just preaching to the choir - you're not going to convince anyone that specifically avoids tipping.

My advice to people who don't tip: Yes, you're completely within your legal rights to do so. However, do not EVER go back to the same place again. I guarantee that there will be something in your food or drink that you won't like... and you probably won't be aware of it at all.

/our bartender used to dip his manky, sweaty balls into cheap peoples' beer
//i actually prayed for some people not to tip me
///wouldn't feel guilty then
////and he was the NICE one
//two words: rat poop
 
2013-02-12 03:49:13 PM  

diabloninja: Threats of having your food spit in, extorting money from people for over 50 years.


Well, look at it like this. You know what the situation is for these folks. If you frequent a place and are intentionally a dickhead to these people, sooner or later the possibility exists that someone will respond in kind.

Don't be a dickhead.
 
2013-02-12 03:49:16 PM  
You know why I don't wait tables into my 20's? Only someone truly desperate would work a job that doesn't guarantee hours OR pay. That being said, I tip 20% and round up. I'm not cheap enough to stiff anyone out of a dollar.
 
2013-02-12 03:49:30 PM  

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2013-02-12 03:50:02 PM  

JesusJuice: Dancin_In_Anson: JesusJuice: I never tip and neither should you.

I suggest that you don't visit the same establishment more than once every year or two.

I always inspect my food for contaminants and if I think anything is off, I speak to a manager.  I will also speak to a manager if I feel I'm not getting good service just because I refuse to tip.  Only one place has ever told me I wasn't welcome, everywhere else has been very accommodating.


...and I think that tipping 15-20% is well worth it to live in a world where I don't have to inspect my food for contaminants or be asked not to return.
 
2013-02-12 03:50:05 PM  

lennavan: thismomentinblackhistory: If you don't tip, we usually start slow -- we'll make a comment or stop opening your beer.

I always get a kick out of bartenders specifically.  You opened a beer, so clearly you deserve $1.

No need to kick me out.  If a bartender ever commented on not getting a tip for opening a beer, I'd leave.  The place is clearly run by assholes.


I'm serving the guy who leaves a dollar every time first, and the guy who never leaves a dollar last. The guy who leaves one here and there doesn't even pop up on my radar. Bottled beer drinkers take 5 seconds to serve. The fact that they leave so quickly and ask so little of you can be tip enough.
 
2013-02-12 03:50:10 PM  
I always make sure to tip your mom.

Yeah, ALL of your moms.

Believe me, they/she do more than enough to earn it.
 
2013-02-12 03:50:44 PM  

PJ-: At the same fact, I show up with a date and have a meal that last 30 minutes, but the bill comes to me saying $100. Why the hell would anybody deserve making $30 an hour off me alone.


Exactly.  If I go to a restaurant for a 5 minute meal and the bill comes to $3,000, why the hell would anyone deserve to make $9,000/hour?  Our examples are totally reasonable.
 
2013-02-12 03:50:46 PM  
I must be fortunate.  None of my friends are horses asses who refuse to tip well.  Makes going out to dinner much more pleasant.
 
2013-02-12 03:51:07 PM  

toomuchmarisa: [www.raucousrecords.com image 240x240]

I worked in the service industry for years. Stories like this are just preaching to the choir - you're not going to convince anyone that specifically avoids tipping.

My advice to people who don't tip: Yes, you're completely within your legal rights to do so. However, do not EVER go back to the same place again. I guarantee that there will be something in your food or drink that you won't like... and you probably won't be aware of it at all.

/our bartender used to dip his manky, sweaty balls into cheap peoples' beer
//i actually prayed for some people not to tip me
///wouldn't feel guilty then
////and he was the NICE one
//two words: rat poop


That is farking disgusting and you should be ashamed.
 
2013-02-12 03:51:20 PM  

JesusJuice: I always inspect my food for contaminants and if I think anything is off, I speak to a manager. I will also speak to a manager if I feel I'm not getting good service just because I refuse to tip. Only one place has ever told me I wasn't welcome, everywhere else has been very accommodating.


Aren't you special...
 
2013-02-12 03:51:55 PM  

ChipNASA: /flame on


maybe the point was that white people are just lousy tippers.
 
2013-02-12 03:52:17 PM  
people that don't tip should be horsewhipped. i've been in fistfights and broken up with friends over it. I've gone back the next day to tip $60 bucks out of my own pocket after finding out the sanctimonious biatch that collected our cash didn't bothering calculating a tip. I will GET IN YA FACE about it. I've had shouting matches with black people over not tipping.right there in the restaurant. IDGAF if it's Waffle House, leave a good tip

But they don't generally need to be horsewhipped because the Curse of the Waitress is very, very real, oh yes it is...
 
2013-02-12 03:52:18 PM  
Hah hah, I once had a job delivering pizza, all cash, and I was also paid pogey.

/ for four weeks.
/ and then I got a real job and had to pay back the four week's work of pogey.
 
2013-02-12 03:52:35 PM  
Get a job that pays at least minimum wage?  I would not work any job that paid $2.65 an hour.
 
2013-02-12 03:52:59 PM  
Fun fact:  servers must make at least the minimum wage (7.25 an hour), but tips are included in the calculations.  If a server doesn't get tips, their employer must increase their pay accordingly.
 
2013-02-12 03:53:05 PM  
It's not this bad. Jesus, that article makes it sound like no one ever tips. These walkouts are rare. I owned a down-market bar/restaurant. We served working poor blue collar people and lots of convicted criminals. Even in that environment, half of the drinks and 90% of the food service ended up drawing a tip.
 
2013-02-12 03:53:33 PM  

thismomentinblackhistory: Madbassist1: thismomentinblackhistory: God damn tipping thread. I love working for a small business, one of the busiest bars in town.

If you don't tip, we usually start slow -- we'll make a comment or stop opening your beer. Three strikes and we either cut you off or kick you out, because we reserve the right to refuse service for any reason. Not tipping? You're a dick. And you can leave.

LOL dont tell the owner or you'll be the one going out the door, asshole.

Not likely. Corporate restaurants have ruined customers expectations. People think they can go wherever they want and act however they want and that nobody will call them out on it. We don't put up with any shiat, and the numbers we put up on a fricking Tuesday are what most in this town would kill for on a Saturday.

If we don't like you, we don't serve you. We don't need 14 frat boys screaming for bud lights and ruining the place just because they have money. They can go be farks somewhere else.


You might think its not likely. I'd be willing to say you're likely wrong. If I found out my employees were bouncing my paying customers because they weren't getting their (not required) cut, I'd can them so fast it would make their head spin. I think most business men would as well. I also find that pretty generally, employees almost always overestimate their worth to the business...as you are doing right now. Trust me, if the owner canned you and hired someone else you might be missed for a month...maybe two, but it will survive.
 
2013-02-12 03:54:03 PM  
If you don't want to be a server, maybe you should have finished high school. Or maybe they should of did what all the other high school drops out I knew did, become cops.
 
2013-02-12 03:54:05 PM  

udhq: It offends me the number of servers I know who make more money than the teachers I know. And yet few people complain about their jobs more than servers.


Teachers complain more about their jobs than any other group of people on the planet.  I'll leave the room if more than three of them start talking to each other.
 
2013-02-12 03:54:23 PM  

Publikwerks: and I think that tipping 15-20% is well worth it to live in a world where I don't have to inspect my food for contaminants or be asked not to return.


Plus the fact he's not making people pay to serve him.

You know, JesusJuice, your little one man rant against a system that you think is broken does little more than make you a dickhead. Funny how you expect to be treated better than the others you interact with too.
 
2013-02-12 03:54:46 PM  
You know who nobody ever thinks of, the guy who's dating the owner's daughter, and so he can dog it the whole time, just sort of look like he's working, and lord it over everyone, and he knows that they don't like him, man, I mean, it gets to him...right here.
 
2013-02-12 03:55:01 PM  
He keeps his tips.

chabadjapan.org
 
2013-02-12 03:55:42 PM  
I like tipping people who dont expect it.
Gas Jockey
Meat store guy
Adult Novelty store lady.
dollar store owner


they were all shocked when I tipped them and seemed to appreciate it WAY more then the servers who often dont even do anything other then a basic form of their job
 
2013-02-12 03:55:43 PM  

Ladeeda: Get a job that pays at least minimum wage?  I would not work any job that paid $2.65 an hour.


You can make $750-$1200 in cash (tax free if you want) working 5 days a week where I work. It's legalized drug dealing. Paychecks? Those are those pieces of paper I forget to take to the bank.
 
2013-02-12 03:55:57 PM  

NathanAllen: Also, don't forget the Server doesn't clear the table as stated in the article; the busboy does that, even at diners.


All depends on where you go.  Most places I go waitresses do it all. Or maybe it's a regional thing.

Greasy spoon diners to Red Lobster/TGI Fridays sort of places.(Yeah, I'm not rich, not eating at the "real" classy places, not that there are any places like that for hundreds of miles)

In my whole life, in several states and even the UK, a busboy was a very rare thing.  Your absolute about busboys is preposterous.

As an aside:
I do feel bad when there's a shift change mid meal, and "my" waitress has gone.  I tend not to tip much in that situation, the new gal did nothing extraordinary to earn it, she could be(and often is) plain biatchy, not at work 5 minutes and huffing when a patron asks for anything.

Maybe that's a thing and waitresses should do warm-ups or something.
 
2013-02-12 03:56:16 PM  

potterydove: Fun fact:  servers must make at least the minimum wage (7.25 an hour), but tips are included in the calculations.  If a server doesn't get tips, their employer must increase their pay accordingly.


Fun fact:  If no one tipped at all and the owners had to pay minimum wage/whatever wage, the prices of the food would go up across the board so you'd be paying it anyway.

Stiffing wait staff for no reason now is just being a greedy prick and isn't justified in the least.
 
2013-02-12 03:56:29 PM  
They should start a game show on this. Hidden cameras. If the waiter claims the exact amount they make on tips and report it correctly to the manager, they get a huge bonus/raise/promotion, etc. If they lie, they get arrested for tax fraud.

I just want to see a lot of people get arrested.
 
2013-02-12 03:57:08 PM  

Madbassist1: thismomentinblackhistory: Madbassist1: thismomentinblackhistory: God damn tipping thread. I love working for a small business, one of the busiest bars in town.

If you don't tip, we usually start slow -- we'll make a comment or stop opening your beer. Three strikes and we either cut you off or kick you out, because we reserve the right to refuse service for any reason. Not tipping? You're a dick. And you can leave.

LOL dont tell the owner or you'll be the one going out the door, asshole.

Not likely. Corporate restaurants have ruined customers expectations. People think they can go wherever they want and act however they want and that nobody will call them out on it. We don't put up with any shiat, and the numbers we put up on a fricking Tuesday are what most in this town would kill for on a Saturday.

If we don't like you, we don't serve you. We don't need 14 frat boys screaming for bud lights and ruining the place just because they have money. They can go be farks somewhere else.

You might think its not likely. I'd be willing to say you're likely wrong. If I found out my employees were bouncing my paying customers because they weren't getting their (not required) cut, I'd can them so fast it would make their head spin. I think most business men would as well. I also find that pretty generally, employees almost always overestimate their worth to the business...as you are doing right now. Trust me, if the owner canned you and hired someone else you might be missed for a month...maybe two, but it will survive.


At what point did I say we are doing anything other than what he wants? It's his business. He doesn't want assholes there. He's been in business for over 20 years, owns damn near every building on the block. It's his sandbox.
 
2013-02-12 03:57:36 PM  

fireclown: Before this goes all crazy, has anyone experimented with a restaurant where servers are just paid a decent wage to start with so that tipping wasn't necessary?


Yes.  In Japan.  The servers are genuinely happy to see you and serve you your food correctly.  Why? Because a happy customer is a repeat customer and repeat customers mean the restaurant stays open and they keep their jobs.
 
2013-02-12 03:57:46 PM  

Farce-Side: Wasn't this the plot to that movie "Waiting" with Ryan Reynolds and that other guy?  What is that guys name?


Justin Long article is Justin Long
 
2013-02-12 03:57:49 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: diabloninja: Threats of having your food spit in, extorting money from people for over 50 years.

Well, look at it like this. You know what the situation is for these folks. If you frequent a place and are intentionally a dickhead to these people, sooner or later the possibility exists that someone will respond in kind.

Don't be a dickhead.


They are making at least minimum wage (if working for an enterprise business) so they don't get any sympathy from me about not being tipped.  I don't like tipping being expected, if all a server does is take my order, refill my drink once, and drop off the check, why am I paying them $5-6?  A lot of chain places have runners bring out the food, and the interaction with the waiter is minimal.

Not tipping isn't a dick move, unless the service was great.  My disagreement with the social norm is that I'm expected to give 20% regardless of what happened during the meal.  I refuse to tip for bad or average service, and I won't go back because I know people like that are petty, immature children who would spit in someone's food because the last time they dined, the server didn't get what they wanted.
 
2013-02-12 03:58:26 PM  
Honest question: does every server always claim their tips as taxable income?
 
2013-02-12 03:58:58 PM  

thismomentinblackhistory: Ladeeda: Get a job that pays at least minimum wage?  I would not work any job that paid $2.65 an hour.

You can make $750-$1200 in cash (tax free if you want) working 5 days a week where I work. It's legalized drug dealing. Paychecks? Those are those pieces of paper I forget to take to the bank.


LOL you dont bother to cash your check, but throw people out for not tipping you for a beer. You're a goddamned genius, Gump.
 
2013-02-12 03:59:24 PM  

JesusJuice: Dancin_In_Anson: JesusJuice: I never tip and neither should you.

I suggest that you don't visit the same establishment more than once every year or two.

I always inspect my food for contaminants and if I think anything is off, I speak to a manager.  I will also speak to a manager if I feel I'm not getting good service just because I refuse to tip.  Only one place has ever told me I wasn't welcome, everywhere else has been very accommodating.


Jesus (no pun intended), what a poster child for a cheap, entitlement snowflake.
 
2013-02-12 03:59:27 PM  

Englebert Slaptyback: You pause, you pause, you breathe, you stow the panic about the rent and the bills that is in your throat like acid, you breathe, and then you


...try to figure out where the hell you went wrong in your life to end up in such an untenable position so you can fix whatever the hell it is so you can have a real job where you don't need to worry about making rent.



That's a bullshiat copout. There are millions of people doing that job, and we need millions of people to do that job unless no one wants to eat at restaurants anymore. They do work very hard and your condescension doesn't change the fact that a perfectly valid and legal profession is exempt from minimum wage laws because labor unions have been devastated across the country and the average worker has no one with power to advocate for them.

We should not allow this garbage to continue. At the very least the exemption of minimum wage needs to be rescinded. But really we need to pay people who work ANY legal job a goddamn living wage already. The destruction of the wealth and income of the majority of Americans has gone on for far too long already.

Holier than thou bullshiat about how menial their jobs are compared to ours doesn't change those basic facts.
 
2013-02-12 04:00:03 PM  

Solid State Vittles: fireclown: Before this goes all crazy, has anyone experimented with a restaurant where servers are just paid a decent wage to start with so that tipping wasn't necessary?

Go ask Japan, Australia, Sweden, and all of those other socialist cesspools.


Some years ago, during my Navy days, a few of us from the same ship were in a bar/pub in Australia where we ate lunch and had a couple of beers.

Of course, out of habit, we left a tip for the server.

Some 'bloke' followed us out of the bar demanding that we take our "tip" money back. The Marine in our group ended up taking the money back in and giving it to the server anyway.

It almost started a street brawl, which would have been bad news all around.
 
2013-02-12 04:00:08 PM  

thismomentinblackhistory: At what point did I say we are doing anything other than what he wants? It's his business. He doesn't want assholes there.


Well he's got one working his bar, so apparently not.
 
2013-02-12 04:00:19 PM  
OK. I am a heavy tipper and the servers love me. I am easy, have my mind made up quickly, and rarely ask for advice on choices. 
But seriously, I worked my way up from being homeless and in construction for $4.25/hr to where I am now. I still tip well and will always do so.
If you are unhappy in your job GO DO SOMETHING ELSE! EDUCATION IS EVERYWHERE!
 
2013-02-12 04:00:38 PM  

2KanZam: Working in the restaurant business is really tough and can be a whole lotta work.


....and if you don't like it then get a farking education or skill and make a living by doing something you won't biatch about.  I did...as did most I know

/Don't complain about something that you can change


OK, just to give you guys a different perspective:

I'm a single mother.  I work for a university as a business manager.  I have a master's degree and fifteen years' experience in my field.  I also bar tend part time on the weekends in a 'gentleman's club' because I am my sole source of income--no support or help from the ex at all (married for 8 years).  So, I could live in a snake pit and not provide a reasonably comfortable existence for myself and my daughter, or I could use what hotness I have left to make a little scratch on the side to live well.

So to all of you narrow-minded, tunnel-visioned Mr. Magoo's who can't see past their own experiences, people like me often work in service jobs because they need a SECOND source of income to supplement, and that job needs to have different hours than the OTHER job I have that provides my family with insurance, benefits, etc.

If you can't afford to tip, you can't afford to go out.  Stay home.

And you are supposed to tip the staff if you get take out from a restaurant.  Do you know that the servers have to pay taxes on a minimum of 8% of their sales?  So, if you stiff them, they still have to pay taxes on money they didn't even earn.

Thanks a lot to those of you who have the class to take care of those who take care of you!!  And to the rest of you, I hope someone puts Visine in your rum and coke.
 
2013-02-12 04:01:06 PM  

diabloninja: I refuse to tip for bad or average service, and I won't go back because I know people like that are petty, immature children who would spit in someone's food because the last time they dined, the server didn't get what they wanted.


I've worked in restaurants and bars my whole life. I had a few real jobs in there, but when those fall through (got downsized last year), it's a good skill to fall back on. I have NEVER seen someone's food messed with. There is nothing a customer can do to warrant that. Maybe armed robbery -- but then again, they'd be armed.
 
2013-02-12 04:01:13 PM  

fireclown: Before this goes all crazy, has anyone experimented with a restaurant where servers are just paid a decent wage to start with so that tipping wasn't necessary?


But that would cut into the profit of the restaurant owner.  Honestly I cant think of another business model where the patrons pay the employees wages directly.  How do the European countries do it?

I tip good where deserved and not so good for shiat service.  I don't penalize the server if it is the kitchen screw up.  I am smart enough to know the difference.
 
2013-02-12 04:01:36 PM  

Kanemano: No one thinks about the dishwasher, he there before the servers show up and he's there when they leave, he makes no tips, but he still has to pay rent, gets truly minimum wage with nothing extra except a sandwich at the end of the night.

where is his essay?


I've worked at a bunch of restaurants, and all of them started the dishwashers at at least $10 an hour. So nice try, but no.
 
2013-02-12 04:02:52 PM  
After sharing my tips with hosts, bussers, and bartenders, I make less than $9 an hour on average, before taxes.

Yeah but you had more fun in High School than me.

So you got that going for you. Which is nice.
 
2013-02-12 04:02:59 PM  

stonicus: Taima: Wow, what a bunch of cheap bastards in this thread.  Is giving a few extra bucks to your server (or person from another service profession) really going to hurt you?   If so, then who really needs to get another job?

MmmCrime: kidgenius: MmmCrime: Look at the hourly pay rate on a pay stub for most servers. You'll then understand why you're wrong.

Their rate, including tips, must be >=$7.25 an hour.  This is federal law.  Some states are higher.

That is the rate at which they are taxed at if they're assumed to have made more than $30 in a month. Which means you can work the entire month, make $50 on top of the $424 you would bring in in wages, and then you're taxed as if you're making $7.25 an hr, or $1160 a month

kidgenius may be your name, but call someone you know who is a server and have them explain it to you.

If you brought in $424 ($2.65/hour @ 40 hours/week @ 4 weeks/month) and $50 in tips on top of that, then your employers has to pay you an additional $686 out of his pocket to put you at $1160/month ($7.25/hour).  That's federal law.  If you earn less than minimum wage, then your employer must make up the difference.  That is the law.  If your employers haven't been doing this to you, then you got screwed and your employers have broken the law.


Good luck with making that happen.
 
2013-02-12 04:02:59 PM  

Madbassist1: thismomentinblackhistory: Ladeeda: Get a job that pays at least minimum wage?  I would not work any job that paid $2.65 an hour.

You can make $750-$1200 in cash (tax free if you want) working 5 days a week where I work. It's legalized drug dealing. Paychecks? Those are those pieces of paper I forget to take to the bank.

LOL you dont bother to cash your check, but throw people out for not tipping you for a beer. You're a goddamned genius, Gump.


The point is that the base wage doesn't really matter. I'm not driving 30 minutes to deposit $70 bucks or something. I'll wait until I have 3 or 4 of them. No, you don't automatically get kicked out for not tipping. We're too busy to even notice most of the time. But if you mark yourself as a consistent non-tipper, you won't need AA to quit drinking at our bar. You're just dead to us.
 
2013-02-12 04:04:03 PM  

thismomentinblackhistory: I've worked in restaurants and bars my whole life. I had a few real jobs in there, but when those fall through (got downsized last year), it's a good skill to fall back on. I have NEVER seen someone's food messed with. There is nothing a customer can do to warrant that. Maybe armed robbery -- but then again, they'd be armed.


This.

Somebody sent something back to me over the weekend. They were like, "I'm really apprehensive to do this, because I've heard stories about what happens in the back." I did my best to assure them that -- from my experience, at least -- this is mythical. I couldn't conceive of messing with someone's food,
 
2013-02-12 04:04:44 PM  

thismomentinblackhistory: lennavan: thismomentinblackhistory: If you don't tip, we usually start slow -- we'll make a comment or stop opening your beer.

I always get a kick out of bartenders specifically.  You opened a beer, so clearly you deserve $1.

No need to kick me out.  If a bartender ever commented on not getting a tip for opening a beer, I'd leave.  The place is clearly run by assholes.

I'm serving the guy who leaves a dollar every time first, and the guy who never leaves a dollar last. The guy who leaves one here and there doesn't even pop up on my radar. Bottled beer drinkers take 5 seconds to serve. The fact that they leave so quickly and ask so little of you can be tip enough.


I wouldn't blame you for serving the guy who tips more first.  It's funny that now you agree with me though.  Your original post seemed to suggest you make a comment to someone who doesn't tip for every beer.
 
2013-02-12 04:04:45 PM  

Stimpy's new tooth: If you can't afford to tip, you can't afford to go out. Stay home.


People mock bar tenders and servers as being uneducated service monkeys that could be replaced by robots who are too dumb to make real money, yet at the same time, these captains of industry are apparently too poor to leave a tip. Keep your broke ass home.
 
2013-02-12 04:04:50 PM  

thismomentinblackhistory: diabloninja: I refuse to tip for bad or average service, and I won't go back because I know people like that are petty, immature children who would spit in someone's food because the last time they dined, the server didn't get what they wanted.

I've worked in restaurants and bars my whole life. I had a few real jobs in there, but when those fall through (got downsized last year), it's a good skill to fall back on. I have NEVER seen someone's food messed with. There is nothing a customer can do to warrant that. Maybe armed robbery -- but then again, they'd be armed.


Yeah pretty much this.  Stories of bad things happening to food are greatly exaggerated, in my opinion.  The worst thing I ever saw happen while working in restaurants was when a real dick of a customer sent a steak back twice (he wanted it well-done and claimed that it wasn't done enough) and the cook plopped it in the deep-fryer for thirty seconds and then put it in the microwave for an additional minute.

Of course, after that the dude said it was awesome.
 
hej
2013-02-12 04:05:10 PM  
Slam Dunkz:
Fun fact:  If no one tipped at all and the owners had to pay minimum wage/whatever wage, the prices of the food would go up across the board so you'd be paying it anyway.

I'd actually greatly prefer that.
 
2013-02-12 04:05:11 PM  
If you come to me with a slack-ass attitude and Justin beiber hair all in your face, we may have a problem though.
/had that in Tampa. The guy screwed up an order for a steak sammich. Pants below his ass, and never bothered to check on soda levels...
 
2013-02-12 04:05:14 PM  

johnny_vegas: Jesus (no pun intended), what a poster child for a cheap, entitlement snowflake.


As opposed to the entitled snowflakes who feel they should be paid extra money for merely doing the job for which they are employed?
 
2013-02-12 04:05:59 PM  
Man these stories make me want to stop tipping. But I won't, because I'm not an asshole.

You servers who love to biatch so much should go get a job delivering furniture or hot tubs sometime. You get to carry heavy shiat all day and help morons move their old heavy shiat out of the way so their new heavy shiat will have somewhere to go. When you are finally done, you get to leave without a tip because it isn't like you had to do anything difficult like bringing them some drinks or a god damned pizza.
 
2013-02-12 04:06:17 PM  
hmm, the most i've EVER worked in my life was as a Staff Sgt back in 2007. we were pulling 12 hr shifts every day of the working week for over 6 months to adjust for squadron 'reorganization' (another way of saying that they decided our squadron could do with 50 guys what it used to do with 180). That worked out to a bit more than 9 bucks an hour for a job that most people needed a 4 year degree to even think about doing.

Not too shabby, the work itself wasnt strenuous. What made the job suck was dealing with other servicemember jerkoffs who didnt appreciate that we used the metric system in all our data or that we had to conform to an incredibly tight schedule and thus couldnt entertain their mickey mouse questions for 20 minutes because fark off dude, i got 6 other active duty bases, 5 airfields and 11 county agencies to deal with every 30 minutes.
 
2013-02-12 04:06:18 PM  

lennavan: thismomentinblackhistory: lennavan: thismomentinblackhistory: If you don't tip, we usually start slow -- we'll make a comment or stop opening your beer.

I always get a kick out of bartenders specifically.  You opened a beer, so clearly you deserve $1.

No need to kick me out.  If a bartender ever commented on not getting a tip for opening a beer, I'd leave.  The place is clearly run by assholes.

I'm serving the guy who leaves a dollar every time first, and the guy who never leaves a dollar last. The guy who leaves one here and there doesn't even pop up on my radar. Bottled beer drinkers take 5 seconds to serve. The fact that they leave so quickly and ask so little of you can be tip enough.

I wouldn't blame you for serving the guy who tips more first.  It's funny that now you agree with me though.  Your original post seemed to suggest you make a comment to someone who doesn't tip for every beer.


No, but it has happened before. But like I said in another comment, most of the time we're too busy to notice. Any time I see someone throw down a tip, I thank them. I also try to remember what they look like. I'm assuming they're leaving it for a reason. I think I owe them to try even harder to get to them first if they're tipping.
 
2013-02-12 04:06:30 PM  

yelmrog: thismomentinblackhistory: diabloninja: I refuse to tip for bad or average service, and I won't go back because I know people like that are petty, immature children who would spit in someone's food because the last time they dined, the server didn't get what they wanted.

I've worked in restaurants and bars my whole life. I had a few real jobs in there, but when those fall through (got downsized last year), it's a good skill to fall back on. I have NEVER seen someone's food messed with. There is nothing a customer can do to warrant that. Maybe armed robbery -- but then again, they'd be armed.

Yeah pretty much this.  Stories of bad things happening to food are greatly exaggerated, in my opinion.  The worst thing I ever saw happen while working in restaurants was when a real dick of a customer sent a steak back twice (he wanted it well-done and claimed that it wasn't done enough) and the cook plopped it in the deep-fryer for thirty seconds and then put it in the microwave for an additional minute.

Of course, after that the dude said it was awesome.


I will have to try that. Sounds interesting.
 
2013-02-12 04:06:45 PM  

Solid State Vittles: fireclown: Before this goes all crazy, has anyone experimented with a restaurant where servers are just paid a decent wage to start with so that tipping wasn't necessary?

Go ask Japan, Australia, Sweden, and all of those other socialist cesspools.


WTF does that have to do with restaurants paying their employees a decent wage?
 
2013-02-12 04:06:47 PM  
I avoid all waitresses and waiters.  I eat at the bar and tip my bartender.  Two birds, ect. ect.
 
2013-02-12 04:08:48 PM  

thismomentinblackhistory: Madbassist1: thismomentinblackhistory: Ladeeda: Get a job that pays at least minimum wage?  I would not work any job that paid $2.65 an hour.

You can make $750-$1200 in cash (tax free if you want) working 5 days a week where I work. It's legalized drug dealing. Paychecks? Those are those pieces of paper I forget to take to the bank.

LOL you dont bother to cash your check, but throw people out for not tipping you for a beer. You're a goddamned genius, Gump.

The point is that the base wage doesn't really matter. I'm not driving 30 minutes to deposit $70 bucks or something. I'll wait until I have 3 or 4 of them. No, you don't automatically get kicked out for not tipping. We're too busy to even notice most of the time. But if you mark yourself as a consistent non-tipper, you won't need AA to quit drinking at our bar. You're just dead to us.


I realize you were being hyperbolic. I was having a little fun at your expense. I also dont think youre an asshole as far as that goes. You're actually my type of bartender. My minimum tip? 10 bucks. If I spend more than 30 dollars, the tip goes up to 20. if I spend more than $100 its a 30% tip. Why? When I walk in my bar, my drinks are waiting on me, The bartenders know my name, and I get servered first...except for the one bartender who is always talking to her boyfriend, who sits at the end of the bar and never buys shiat. I still tip her well though.
 
hej
2013-02-12 04:08:50 PM  

diabloninja: johnny_vegas: Jesus (no pun intended), what a poster child for a cheap, entitlement snowflake.

As opposed to the entitled snowflakes who feel they should be paid extra money for merely doing the job for which they are employed?


And more to the point, for doing a job for me that I'd be more than happy to do myself.  I've been to Panera Bread before.  Carrying a plate of food to my table is 7 seconds of inconvenience that I'm more than able to tolerate.
 
2013-02-12 04:08:56 PM  
Stimpy's new tooth:
Thanks a lot to those of you who have the class to take care of those who take care of you!!  And to the rest of you, I hope someone puts Visine in your rum and coke.

That can be deadly

I always tip. I make very little money right now but if I go out to eat I budget the tip too.
 
2013-02-12 04:09:24 PM  
I almost always tip 20%, if a server is leaving, especially a bar tender I tip them out to the point they are at in the bill or the meal. If you are a really lousy server I will tip 10-15% BUT I will probably never come back to the place again. I don't want the guilt of shorting someone and trying to slink out before they see it. I will pay once and vanish forever if it really is bad all the way around but I really have never had a terrible experience where it was ALL the server's fault. Usually the food isn't ready or done correctly and thats generally not their fault. I tip well or over-tip at places I like because when I come back a second time (or 200th time) I want them to know its going to go well for them, I will get treated like a king and they will likely remember my drink order in detail and/or get to me quickly. I am competing for their time with other guests and I want the advantage or at least a level playing field. I know, like most people, these jobs are tough and bullying a server financially is just pathetic. I think people who don't tip are acting like they have power over someone for once in their life and their first instinct is to torture the poor person. Its like the vicious prison guard mentality and thats some toxic karma to be dragging around.

The other approach is you think you are a judge on the waiter/bartender version of American Idol and you waste your time trying to ultra-fine-tune the tip like you know everything they are up against and your picky-ass criteria matters. Either tip the servers for the work appropriately or don't go to the place.
 
2013-02-12 04:10:01 PM  

lennavan: I wouldn't blame you for serving the guy who tips more first. It's funny that now you agree with me though. Your original post seemed to suggest you make a comment to someone who doesn't tip for every beer.


Yeah I need to walk that comment back.

It's more like: "Hey, see that dude in the red cap? He left $4 on two captains and coke." And that guy is now first in line whenever he comes back.

And on the flipside: "Did that bald guy tip you? He didn't get me the last round either. He can wait." People will just leave on their own.

When we kick people out for not tipping it's because it's not the kind of people we want there anyway (super ghetto thugs or frat boys, mostly).
 
2013-02-12 04:10:02 PM  
I love this thread. This is the best ego boost I could have hoped for today. For all my faults, negative qualities and questionable life history, self loathing and general cynicism, at least...

...at least I'm not one of you miserable, god awful, non tipping people. Seriously. You people are the lowest of the low. I wouldn't heimlich your ass if I saw you choking.
 
2013-02-12 04:11:13 PM  

Madbassist1: You're actually my type of bartender. My minimum tip? 10 bucks. If I spend more than 30 dollars, the tip goes up to 20. if I spend more than $100 its a 30% tip. Why? When I walk in my bar, my drinks are waiting on me, The bartenders know my name, and I get servered first...except for the one bartender who is always talking to her boyfriend, who sits at the end of the bar and never buys shiat. I still tip her well though.


You're my kind of customer -- the kind I make sure to include when I feel like doing a shot!
 
2013-02-12 04:11:28 PM  

Kanemano: No one thinks about the dishwasher, he there before the servers show up and he's there when they leave, he makes no tips, but he still has to pay rent, gets truly minimum wage with nothing extra except a sandwich at the end of the night.

where is his essay?


Also, no one thinks about the kitchen staff.  At the end of the night, what's more important?  The person who cooked your food, or the person who carried it to your table?
 
2013-02-12 04:11:43 PM  

Taima: Wow, what a bunch of cheap bastards in this thread.  Is giving a few extra bucks to your server (or person from another service profession) really going to hurt you?   If so, then who really needs to get another job?


The law is very gray in my area. Saying that you have no money and can't afford rent and your back is killing you and asking me for a donation so you an pay your rent is too close to "pan handling" for me to feel comfortable giving you money. If you have to beg for a living, then there are many decent local organizations who will help you get a leg up.
 
2013-02-12 04:11:44 PM  

neongoats: I love this thread. This is the best ego boost I could have hoped for today. For all my faults, negative qualities and questionable life history, self loathing and general cynicism, at least...

...at least I'm not one of you miserable, god awful, non tipping people. Seriously. You people are the lowest of the low. I wouldn't heimlich your ass if I saw you choking.


hehe
 
2013-02-12 04:12:37 PM  

umad: Man these stories make me want to stop tipping. But I won't, because I'm not an asshole.

You servers who love to biatch so much should go get a job delivering furniture or hot tubs sometime. You get to carry heavy shiat all day and help morons move their old heavy shiat out of the way so their new heavy shiat will have somewhere to go. When you are finally done, you get to leave without a tip because it isn't like you had to do anything difficult like bringing them some drinks or a god damned pizza.


This makes me feel bad but I've never used movers, but I would definitely tip a mover. I tip the tow truck guy. Does that count?
 
2013-02-12 04:13:32 PM  

fireclown: Before this goes all crazy, has anyone experimented with a restaurant where servers are just paid a decent wage to start with so that tipping wasn't necessary?


Try anywhere in the world except America.
 
2013-02-12 04:13:47 PM  
I bet the servers that complain the loudest about "bad tippers" are the same ones who rationalize not declaring their tips as taxable income.
 
2013-02-12 04:13:47 PM  

lennavan: The My Little Pony Killer: lennavan: The My Little Pony Killer: lennavan: It's your first time to this particular restaurant.  You look around, the place is packed.  Heck, it seems as if it has been packed all day.

Stopped reading here.  Tell your wife to stuff it and take her to McDonald's.  You knew going into it your service was going to be lacking.

The very first sentence FTFA:

It's your fourth shift in a row at the restaurant, all doubles because you only make $2.65 an hour and need to pay for rent and heat and electricity, and your section is a set of booths and tables - six four-tops, four two-tops, one eight-top - that seat forty-four customers total, and it's been packed from start to finish

Did you stop reading TFA right there and tell this server to shut it about the tips because she should know her service was lacking?

Explain to me how it's the server's fault that people come to the restaurant in hordes?  Or that you chose to eat at their particular restaurant when you could clearly see that they were hit hard by a rush?

Explain to me how it's the customer's fault that the restaurant gave the waitress more tables than she could handle well enough to give decent service.

Holy fark dude, you're arguing it's the customer's fault they got shiatty service because they ... ate there.


Obviously the solution is for everyone to stop going to restaurants.  Then the servers won't have to complain anymore about being too busy.
 
2013-02-12 04:13:52 PM  

TheSwissNavy: Only a white person would refer to $9/hour as "slave wages". Slaves were generally paid a lot less, like, zero.


You know what, I bet your white and generally well off, and are just using this non sequitur as an excuse to disparage people who are paid less than you are.
 
2013-02-12 04:14:41 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: Publikwerks: and I think that tipping 15-20% is well worth it to live in a world where I don't have to inspect my food for contaminants or be asked not to return.

Plus the fact he's not making people pay to serve him.

You know, JesusJuice, your little one man rant against a system that you think is broken does little more than make you a dickhead. Funny how you expect to be treated better than the others you interact with too.


Making?  Nobody's making anybody do anything.  You're free to quit if you refuse to serve me, and you're free to try to find a better job.  If $3 an hour is what you're worth, then that's what you should get.  I shouldn't have to pay more because you didn't study hard enough in school.

Don't like it?  Find a new job, go back to school, or be homeless.  Your livelihood is not my responsibility just because you walked some food out to me.
 
2013-02-12 04:16:32 PM  

WhippingBoy: I bet the servers that complain the loudest about "bad tippers" are the same ones who rationalize not declaring their tips as taxable income.


Honestly, I've never met one that didn't rationalize not declaring their cash tips as income.
 
2013-02-12 04:17:02 PM  
If you can't afford to tip, there's no one to blame except yourself. Also, if you can't afford to tip, you shouldn't be going to any restaurant that doesn't offer a meal for children with a toy included.
 
2013-02-12 04:17:40 PM  
"COUGH UP A BUCK, YA CHEAP BASTID!"

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2013-02-12 04:18:14 PM  

This Looks Fun: WhippingBoy: I bet the servers that complain the loudest about "bad tippers" are the same ones who rationalize not declaring their tips as taxable income.

Honestly, I've never met one that didn't rationalize not declaring their cash tips as income.


God forbid the working man have a loophole or two.
 
2013-02-12 04:18:25 PM  

thismomentinblackhistory: Stimpy's new tooth: If you can't afford to tip, you can't afford to go out. Stay home.

People mock bar tenders and servers as being uneducated service monkeys that could be replaced by robots who are too dumb to make real money, yet at the same time, these captains of industry are apparently too poor to leave a tip. Keep your broke ass home.


Preach it, brother!
 
2013-02-12 04:18:27 PM  

JesusJuice: Dancin_In_Anson: Publikwerks: and I think that tipping 15-20% is well worth it to live in a world where I don't have to inspect my food for contaminants or be asked not to return.

Plus the fact he's not making people pay to serve him.

You know, JesusJuice, your little one man rant against a system that you think is broken does little more than make you a dickhead. Funny how you expect to be treated better than the others you interact with too.

Making?  Nobody's making anybody do anything.  You're free to quit if you refuse to serve me, and you're free to try to find a better job.  If $3 an hour is what you're worth, then that's what you should get.  I shouldn't have to pay more because you didn't study hard enough in school.

Don't like it?  Find a new job, go back to school, or be homeless.  Your livelihood is not my responsibility just because you walked some food out to me.


LOL you're just a goddamned cartoon character, arent you?
 
2013-02-12 04:18:36 PM  

neems: WTF does that have to do with restaurants paying their employees a decent wage?


Absolutely nothing, but some people are what I like to call "political fundamentalists"
 
2013-02-12 04:18:40 PM  

WhyKnot: it would suck to be a port-o-potty cleaner as well...jeez.

Servers, get over yourself all ready; if you don't like your job, get a different one.


THIS

/fark subby and "hero" tag.
//heroes pay taxes
 
2013-02-12 04:19:18 PM  
Is tomorrow the manual gearbox vs. automatic transmission thread?
 
2013-02-12 04:19:32 PM  

Subtle_Canary: hmm, the most i've EVER worked in my life was as a Staff Sgt back in 2007. we were pulling 12 hr shifts every day of the working week for over 6 months to adjust for squadron 'reorganization' (another way of saying that they decided our squadron could do with 50 guys what it used to do with 180). That worked out to a bit more than 9 bucks an hour for a job that most people needed a 4 year degree to even think about doing.

Not too shabby, the work itself wasnt strenuous. What made the job suck was dealing with other servicemember jerkoffs who didnt appreciate that we used the metric system in all our data or that we had to conform to an incredibly tight schedule and thus couldnt entertain their mickey mouse questions for 20 minutes because fark off dude, i got 6 other active duty bases, 5 airfields and 11 county agencies to deal with every 30 minutes.


OK my Turn.....

When I was an Airman (E-2)
back in Okinawa in the early 1980s, we calculated with *EVERYTHING*, base pay, dorm, food medical expenses, as best as we could calculate, we got $1 an hour, every hour, 24 hours a day, (work, poop, sleep, standing in line in the chow hall, whatever) 365 days a year.
It was amusing and depressing all at the same time.

Worse than that, an old salt I used to work with said in Korea, the officers had to pay for billeting (housing) out of their paycheck, because they got paid extra for it......even if they were living in a foxhole that they dug themselves. PRICLESS.

/no my life really wasn't in danger but it's still the military.
 
2013-02-12 04:20:17 PM  

TeddyRooseveltsMustache: If you can't afford to tip, there's no one to blame except yourself. Also, if you can't afford to tip, you shouldn't be going to any restaurant that doesn't offer a meal for children with a toy included.


if you cant afford to work without tips.  Dont work a job that depends on them
 
2013-02-12 04:22:37 PM  

offacue: Is tomorrow the manual gearbox vs. automatic transmission thread?


I only tip servers who drive manual.
 
2013-02-12 04:23:04 PM  

JesusJuice: Dancin_In_Anson: Publikwerks: and I think that tipping 15-20% is well worth it to live in a world where I don't have to inspect my food for contaminants or be asked not to return.

Plus the fact he's not making people pay to serve him.

You know, JesusJuice, your little one man rant against a system that you think is broken does little more than make you a dickhead. Funny how you expect to be treated better than the others you interact with too.

Making?  Nobody's making anybody do anything.  You're free to quit if you refuse to serve me, and you're free to try to find a better job.  If $3 an hour is what you're worth, then that's what you should get.  I shouldn't have to pay more because you didn't study hard enough in school.

Don't like it?  Find a new job, go back to school, or be homeless.  Your livelihood is not my responsibility just because you walked some food out to me.


nobody is making you go to restaurants when you can't afford it either.  The custom in this country is to tip at sit down restaurants, don't like it?  don't go.  You know what the pay scale is for the employees yet you continue to eat at these places .  Get over yourself.
 
2013-02-12 04:23:15 PM  

TeddyRooseveltsMustache: If you can't afford to tip, there's no one to blame except yourself. Also, if you can't afford to tip, you shouldn't be going to any restaurant that doesn't offer a meal for children with a toy included.


farking this.
 
2013-02-12 04:23:41 PM  

Devmapall: Stimpy's new tooth:
Thanks a lot to those of you who have the class to take care of those who take care of you!!  And to the rest of you, I hope someone puts Visine in your rum and coke.

That can be deadly

I always tip. I make very little money right now but if I go out to eat I budget the tip too.


I would never actually do that to anyone.  And I'm always nice to people, even if they don't tip.  I have such a variety of customers that, just for instance, I had one guy leave $100 on a $30 tab, and a guy leave $20 on a $200 tab.  Same me, same service.  It all works out and I'm just grateful that I was fortunate enough to find a second job.  Bartending gigs (especially decent ones) are incredible hard to find because people don't leave them.
 
2013-02-12 04:24:05 PM  
I tip pretty well, anywhere from 20-30% (even more if I'm given a military discount), and even more if the server is genuinely funny or brings me my drinks quickly. But really.... if your job sucks that goddamn bad, head back to school, take advantage of Pell grants and scholarships, and learn a trade that will earn more than $9/hour. I'm sorry your job sucks, but news flash, most people hate their jobs and feel as if they are underpaid. But let's be honest... unless you are busing the tables as well, serving and cooking the food yourself, you're paid to write an order down, and carry it 20 goddamn feet. You knew what the job required of you when you filled out the application.

Either find a job that makes you happy, or do something outside of the job that makes you so happy that you'll put up a shiatty job. Otherwise, life is going to be pretty farking miserable.
 
2013-02-12 04:24:45 PM  

JesusJuice: Making? Nobody's making anybody do anything. You're free to quit if you refuse to serve me, and you're free to try to find a better job. If $3 an hour is what you're worth, then that's what you should get. I shouldn't have to pay more because you didn't study hard enough in school.

Don't like it? Find a new job, go back to school, or be homeless. Your livelihood is not my responsibility just because you walked some food out to me.


Heh. You had me going there for a second...
 
2013-02-12 04:25:31 PM  
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2013-02-12 04:25:33 PM  

Treygreen13: I tip, and I tip well.

But goddamnit I don't need a reminder about how much your job sucks.


farking amen!
 
2013-02-12 04:25:42 PM  

kvinesknows: TeddyRooseveltsMustache: If you can't afford to tip, there's no one to blame except yourself. Also, if you can't afford to tip, you shouldn't be going to any restaurant that doesn't offer a meal for children with a toy included.

if you cant afford to work without tips.  Dont work a job that depends on them


Enjoy the spit and dickcheese in your food the next time you come in, dude. Servers don't forget pieces of self-important shiat who barely get in the door without tripping on their own egos.

/not condoning it
//but I understand
 
2013-02-12 04:25:49 PM  

offacue: Is tomorrow the manual gearbox vs. automatic transmission thread?


Yep.  Then followed by gun ownership and legalizing marijuana.
 
2013-02-12 04:26:12 PM  

shaunmark: They should start a game show on this. Hidden cameras. If the waiter claims the exact amount they make on tips and report it correctly to the manager, they get a huge bonus/raise/promotion, etc. If they lie, they get arrested for tax fraud.

I just want to see a lot of people get arrested.


Every server in the US would be in jail.
 
2013-02-12 04:26:37 PM  

WhippingBoy: I bet the servers that complain the loudest about "bad tippers" are the same ones who rationalize not declaring their tips as taxable income.


As an accountant, I always advise my co-workers to claim everything. It will only come back to bite them in the butt.  For instance, need a car loan?  Need any kind of financial documentation?  Oh, what's that?  You only claimed $8k last year?  No loan for you!!

CSB:  After the BP oil spill, I received probably 3x what my co-workers did in the payoffs because I had claimed my tips for the previous three years.  Suck it, cheaters!
 
2013-02-12 04:26:41 PM  
The only possible use for this thread is humor. MOAR PICS
 
2013-02-12 04:26:55 PM  
I always tip 200% because I like extra ice in my diet coke.

Also it makes me feel like a big man.
 
2013-02-12 04:27:02 PM  

This Looks Fun: WhippingBoy: I bet the servers that complain the loudest about "bad tippers" are the same ones who rationalize not declaring their tips as taxable income.

Honestly, I've never met one that didn't rationalize not declaring their cash tips as income.


Me neither. The ones I've called on it usually responded with some juvenile excuse about "sticking it to the man!".
 
2013-02-12 04:27:02 PM  

xooxox: What, no mandatory gratuity on a table of 8?

This story smells of BS... or the server got the 18% and complained about not getting more.


In all my years of serving, I never auto-gratted. It was a point of pride for me.
 
2013-02-12 04:27:22 PM  
Anyone who leaves a passive-aggressive note in lieu of a tip and skitters out is a coward. If the service was bad, have the balls to complain about it to the manager. Otherwise, you deserve to have your picture taken and posted on every host or hostess station in town so that they can turn you away.
 
2013-02-12 04:27:35 PM  

RoxtarRyan: But let's be honest... unless you are busing the tables as well, serving and cooking the food yourself, you're paid to write an order down, and carry it 20 goddamn feet.


I don't think you've been a waiter.

RoxtarRyan: most people hate their jobs and feel as if they are underpaid


What do you do? Am I to assume I could do it the way a vast majority of people who have never tended bar or waited tables assume that they could do it? Could most of them do it well?

It's no secret that the bar is pretty low to get a job waiting tables. And there are plenty of restaurants that will continue to employ morons who don't care about their job.

There is real money to be made out there, and at the places where there is money to be made, it is very competitive indeed. The weak do not last. If you can multitask, keep your cool under pressure, stay organized, and have the personality to accommodate an ever changing clientele with their own unique standards and set of demands, you can make bank.
 
2013-02-12 04:29:07 PM  

ChipNASA: Worse than that, an old salt I used to work with said in Korea, the officers had to pay for billeting (housing) out of their paycheck, because they got paid extra for it......even if they were living in a foxhole that they dug themselves. PRICLESS.


Officers still have to pay for their uniforms. They are given a one-time sum once they tack on, and after that, it is on them. But, as they saying goes, no one enlists to become rich.
 
2013-02-12 04:29:14 PM  

Theaetetus: Anyone who leaves a passive-aggressive note in lieu of a tip and skitters out is a coward. If the service was bad, have the balls to complain about it to the manager. Otherwise, you deserve to have your picture taken and posted on every host or hostess station in town so that they can turn you away.


Also -- people who leave religious literature that looks like a $10.00 bill, because having Jesus Christ as your personal savior pays the rent.
 
2013-02-12 04:29:16 PM  

Big Man On Campus: The only possible use for this thread is humor. MOAR PICS


How's this?

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2013-02-12 04:29:16 PM  
Allow me to weigh in.
I'm a bartender.  I love my job so much I've been doing it for ten years.  I have a degree (psychology) but opt to not use it.  I make damn good money at what I do (somewhere in the range of 50k a year) in ARKANSAS.  So the money is not the problem.
The problem with paying people a set wage is that this country is too comfortable in its sense of entitlement.  The tip is typically incentive to do a little better than you would if they were paying you standard wages.  Is it a stupid concept?  fark yes it is.  I also hate the idea of "To Insure (Ensure but whatever) Proper Service."  No, you should do your best at whatever table your at or whatever job you have elected to take.
Now with that said, are tips appreciated?  Hell yes they are.  I'm very personable, very high energy, and rather knowledgeable about drinks, food, and dabble enough in other stuff to be able to keep up a conversation.  As a server (which I have also done) the dynamic is different and much less personal, which is why I see why servers feel so shafted on their end of the deal, but it happens.  Earn your stripes, get to know your clientele, or move on to another location.
At 30 the job has taken a small toll on me, but I get to work rather lax hours.  4pm to 2am, 4 days a week.  Life is pain...until I look at all my expensive toys I've been able to afford over the years.  If you are that worried about making rent and paying bills, budget money better.  I've gotten myself into some bad debt because of this line of work, and I managed to work my way out of it with DISCIPLINE.

Mind you, I'm also the outlier here.  Most people wait tables/tend bar as an in between style job until they get "something better."  I simply enjoy the atmosphere and the money I do make (the good days and the bad) enough to be completely satisfied working the job I do.

But never a corporate bar....fark corporate bars.
/Turned down management.
//It would have been a ~20k a year pay cut.
 
2013-02-12 04:29:40 PM  
JesusJuice:

I never tip and neither should you.  It just perpetuates a broken system.

Want to know how I know you are an asshole?
 
2013-02-12 04:30:01 PM  

gingerjet: Or guard patrol in Iraq.  At least you are in doors most of the time.  Or 75 hours a week months straight to make a development deadline.  I've never worked a service job in my life but I've fark'd enough waiters in my lifetime to know that waiting tables isn't the hardest job in the world.


It's a slacker job. There's rush times at conventional mealtimes, and a lot of waiting around otherwise. You don't have to learn much and you can blame your customers for their troubles.


Are people oafs? The majority of them are, both servers and customers.


Why do people keep working server jobs? It's better in their view than the alternative, which would require more commitment.


I'm not the biggest fan of jobs or "hard work" (usually bullshiat) but let's call it what it is. There's a reason they give these jobs to teenagers and the elderly. They're mentally easy jobs.
 
2013-02-12 04:30:18 PM  
All the servers I know tend to go from one server job to the next because it is way they can make  a lot of money without requiring them to put in a lot of hours.  Sure it's hard work, and I'm not suggesting people shouldn't tip them, but most of the servers I know personally are doing alright for people who only put in 15-20 hours a week.
 
2013-02-12 04:30:24 PM  
I believe tipping a server says much more about me and who I am than it does the server, I tip according to this belief.

The people who have the balls to write sh*tty messages to a server on the receipt ought to have their toenails pulled out and shoved into their eye sockets.
 
2013-02-12 04:32:17 PM  
God I hate bad tippers.  I hate more so the fark assholes who say "if you don't like it, get a different job".  Fark you.

Let's talk about my favorite waitress Robin.  She waited tables to put her husband threw college.  She worked her ass off as an investment.  He graduated and got a good job.  Then she got pregnant so had to skip her turn for college.   Three kids later the husband leaves her.  Now she's middle aged, and a single mom.  She hasn't worked for 10 years because she was a stay at home mom.  So she goes back to being a waitress because that's one of the few jobs she can get.  So yeah, she should totally get a job as an investment broker instead of waitressing and stop biatching about not getting a tip.

The people who give waitresses the most shiat are usually the people who had the most privileged life. Daddy paid for college and they never had to wait a table in their life.  High on the list of shiatty tippers are the "good christians".  Those people are complete butt-wipes.

When I was poor, I tipped what I could.  It wasn't always what the waitress deserved, but it was the best I could do.  Now that I am successful, I alway overtip unless the service was absolutely horrible.

/I've never worked in a restaurant in my life, but I've worked some pretty shiatty jobs
 
2013-02-12 04:32:38 PM  

blatz514: Big Man On Campus: The only possible use for this thread is humor. MOAR PICS

How's this?

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She gets 25% if she brings me the beer.
 
2013-02-12 04:32:39 PM  

ChipNASA: [25.media.tumblr.com image 500x218]


This picture: Winner of every tipping thread.  Anyone else using their puny words is just wasting their time.
 
2013-02-12 04:32:53 PM  

TheSwissNavy: Only a white person would refer to $9/hour as "slave wages".  Slaves were generally paid a lot less, like, zero.

And it's not so simple that servers t make $2.65 an hour - if their tips don't bring their gross up to minimum wage,they are paid minimum wage. Which isn't much, but when the Democrats had control of Congress with a filibuster-proof Senate, and the Presidency, from July 2010 to January 2012, they didn't bother fixing this. Or anything.

/wanker


You obviously never heard of Blue Dog Democrats, have you?  They're Republicans who for some reason are Democrats.  They also held up a lot of things during that time.  One of them held up Obamacare for a long time due to his, and since your Repub you're going to have a hard time believing this one, strong anti-abortion stance.  Coupled with the overall spinelessness of the party in general, no not a lot got done.

And $9 an hour is not slave wages.  It's substance-level survival wages, with roommates depending on where you live.  I guess yeah, that is different.  So hey, I agree with you!  Ain't that something?
 
2013-02-12 04:33:07 PM  

Wyldfire: Allow me to weigh in.
I'm a bartender.  I love my job so much I've been doing it for ten years.  I have a degree (psychology) but opt to not use it.  I make damn good money at what I do (somewhere in the range of 50k a year) in ARKANSAS.  So the money is not the problem.
The problem with paying people a set wage is that this country is too comfortable in its sense of entitlement.  The tip is typically incentive to do a little better than you would if they were paying you standard wages.  Is it a stupid concept?  fark yes it is.  I also hate the idea of "To Insure (Ensure but whatever) Proper Service."  No, you should do your best at whatever table your at or whatever job you have elected to take.
Now with that said, are tips appreciated?  Hell yes they are.  I'm very personable, very high energy, and rather knowledgeable about drinks, food, and dabble enough in other stuff to be able to keep up a conversation.  As a server (which I have also done) the dynamic is different and much less personal, which is why I see why servers feel so shafted on their end of the deal, but it happens.  Earn your stripes, get to know your clientele, or move on to another location.
At 30 the job has taken a small toll on me, but I get to work rather lax hours.  4pm to 2am, 4 days a week.  Life is pain...until I look at all my expensive toys I've been able to afford over the years.  If you are that worried about making rent and paying bills, budget money better.  I've gotten myself into some bad debt because of this line of work, and I managed to work my way out of it with DISCIPLINE.

Mind you, I'm also the outlier here.  Most people wait tables/tend bar as an in between style job until they get "something better."  I simply enjoy the atmosphere and the money I do make (the good days and the bad) enough to be completely satisfied working the job I do.

But never a corporate bar....fark corporate bars.
/Turned down management.
//It would have been a ~20k a year pay cut.


I was kind of down on myself for getting back into bar tending, but I'm lucky to have a skill to fall back on. I work 8 pm to 2 am 4-5 days a week and am pretty much in the same boat as you are. It's not a bad life. Not a lifetime career choice, sure, but certainly a good gig for a few years.
 
2013-02-12 04:35:14 PM  
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For some of you HUMVEE drivers in this thread......

"I TIP BIG BECAUSE I'M TRYING TO GET LAID. "

/yeah, let me know how that works out for you......"shocker"......
 
2013-02-12 04:35:26 PM  

kidgenius: NathanAllen:
Why don't we discuss the why the IRS uses 8% on sales volume to determine income?  Naturally you can claim less, but those tend to get flagged for review. For every 3% average above that 8% you get to keep an additional 1% of income as untaxed. This is a substantial unreported income that also is used by the propaganda machine to cry about how little servers make.

It's amazing how few people recognize that this is what goes on.

My wife used to work in a salon. I know how much she made and I know how much the government thinks she made.


This aint no lie.  I worked foodservice as a line cook for a few years out of high school.  We got paid better up front, but man, only the suckiest wait staff wasnt taking home more than we were.

Now, I can believe waiters have taken a pay hit over the last few years because its harder to hide tips on credit receipts, but, I also think most people using cards tend to tip a little more because it seems less real than throwing cash out.  It probably balances out to some extent.
 
2013-02-12 04:35:35 PM  

Wyldfire: I have a degree (psychology) but opt to not use it.


Pretty much all psych majors "opt" to not use it after graduation.
 
2013-02-12 04:35:43 PM  

thismomentinblackhistory: I don't think you've been a waiter.


You're right! I don't feel like walking around all day, being a "gopher" (gopher this, gopher that), while being paid a shiatty wage.

thismomentinblackhistory: What do you do?


Enlisted in the military, WMD specialist. Paid less than the civilians who work at the BX... As stated previously though, no one enlists to get rich. Want real money? Work at KBR doing trash detail in Kandahar. I met some 20-something kid who was paid nearly $100k/year for going around to the chow tents collecting trash. He made about 3.5x much as I did!
 
2013-02-12 04:37:30 PM  
thismomentinblackhistory: I was kind of down on myself for getting back into bar tending, but I'm lucky to have a skill to fall back on. I work 8 pm to 2 am 4-5 days a week and am pretty much in the same boat as you are. It's not a bad life. Not a lifetime career choice, sure, but certainly a good gig for a few years.

Don't be down on yourself.  I'm just not an office drone.  Worked as a paralegal for six months...hated it.  Got into the whole therapist circle and realized that while it would have been a blast to try and help people cope with problems, most of the time I would be stuck with unwilling or court ordered clients.  This way I get to serve people who want to come in and unwind and then voluntarily discuss their problems.
I'm catering to my degree and still able to use my job of serving alcohol to support my habit of....drinking alcohol! :P
 
2013-02-12 04:37:40 PM  
Person A and person B go to eat together.
Person A orders a $20 filet mignon.
Person B orders a $5 cheeseburger.
The server writes both orders down, punches it into the computer, then carries two plates of food to the table.  The work the server does for each person is identical.  Yet, person A is expected to pay more for the service than person B, even though the server did no additional work for person A.
 
2013-02-12 04:37:49 PM  

thismomentinblackhistory: I was kind of down on myself for getting back into bar tending, but I'm lucky to have a skill to fall back on. I work 8 pm to 2 am 4-5 days a week and am pretty much in the same boat as you are. It's not a bad life. Not a lifetime career choice, sure, but certainly a good gig for a few years.


Dude, I was a bartender for about 15 yrs. then mngmt. I have left it behind, yes, but those years were some of the very best of my life. I've did things people only dream of. I've done shiat to make a porn star blush. I've seen things that would make an MMA guy wince.

I wouldnt trade it for the world, but I'm glad I'm out.
 
2013-02-12 04:38:00 PM  

CaliNJGuy: Treygreen13: I tip, and I tip well.

But goddamnit I don't need a reminder about how much your job sucks.

farking amen!


The job doesn't suck until you get stiffed.
 
2013-02-12 04:39:14 PM  

OgreMagi: God I hate bad tippers.  I hate more so the fark assholes who say "if you don't like it, get a different job".  Fark you.

Let's talk about my favorite waitress Robin.  She waited tables to put her husband threw college.  She worked her ass off as an investment.  He graduated and got a good job.  Then she got pregnant so had to skip her turn for college.   Three kids later the husband leaves her.  Now she's middle aged, and a single mom.  She hasn't worked for 10 years because she was a stay at home mom.  So she goes back to being a waitress because that's one of the few jobs she can get.  So yeah, she should totally get a job as an investment broker instead of waitressing and stop biatching about not getting a tip.

The people who give waitresses the most shiat are usually the people who had the most privileged life. Daddy paid for college and they never had to wait a table in their life.  High on the list of shiatty tippers are the "good christians".  Those people are complete butt-wipes.

When I was poor, I tipped what I could.  It wasn't always what the waitress deserved, but it was the best I could do.  Now that I am successful, I alway overtip unless the service was absolutely horrible.

/I've never worked in a restaurant in my life, but I've worked some pretty shiatty jobs


No offense, but you make it sound like "getting pregnant" was something beyond her control.
 
2013-02-12 04:39:45 PM  

lennavan: Wyldfire: I have a degree (psychology) but opt to not use it.

Pretty much all psych majors "opt" to not use it after graduation.


If you're a bartender, you use your psych degree everyday.
 
2013-02-12 04:40:53 PM  

OgreMagi: She waited tables to put her husband threw college. She worked her ass off as an investment. He graduated and got a good job. Then she got pregnant so had to skip her turn for college. Three kids later the husband leaves her. Now she's middle aged, and a single mom. She hasn't worked for 10 years because she was a stay at home mom. So she goes back to being a waitress because that's one of the few jobs she can get. So yeah, she should totally get alimony  a job as an investment broker instead of waitressing and stop biatching about not getting a tip.


That's the entire farking point of alimony.
 
2013-02-12 04:41:50 PM  
Ok, my .02. I tip and tip well, if I can't afford to eat out, then I don't. That bieng said, My sister is a bartender at a country club, and makes a shiat ton of cash.
 
2013-02-12 04:41:57 PM  
Here's a brilliant idea, pay them minimum wage and customers can tip $2-$5 extra if they feel like it. If McDonald's can afford to pay their workers minimum wage, Olive Garden can too without jacking up the price of noodles and sauce.
 
2013-02-12 04:43:12 PM  

Madbassist1: Dude, I was a bartender for about 15 yrs.


I loved tending bar. It was better than working the floor to be sure.
 
2013-02-12 04:45:44 PM  
Tip.
 
2013-02-12 04:47:27 PM  
TL,DR

Waiting tables isn't hard, so get off your soap box and get a real job.

/Has waited tables in 3 different restaurants
//Always leaves 20% tip, because real math is hard
 
2013-02-12 04:47:43 PM  

megarian: Tip.


Just the tip.  To see how it feels.
 
2013-02-12 04:48:09 PM  

stonicus: Person A and person B go to eat together.
Person A orders a $20 filet mignon.
Person B orders a $5 cheeseburger.
The server writes both orders down, punches it into the computer, then carries two plates of food to the table.  The work the server does for each person is identical.  Yet, person A is expected to pay more for the service than person B, even though the server did no additional work for person A.


If part of the tip goes to the chef, then it makes a little more sense.
 
2013-02-12 04:49:51 PM  

stonicus: Person A and person B go to eat together.
Person A orders a $20 filet mignon.
Person B orders a $5 cheeseburger.
The server writes both orders down, punches it into the computer, then carries two plates of food to the table.  The work the server does for each person is identical.  Yet, person A is expected to pay more for the service than person B, even though the server did no additional work for person A.


People who buy filet mignon are classier. Being classy is expensive.
 
2013-02-12 04:51:58 PM  
A whole thread full of Jennifer Lopez caliber diners. Hey, if you pretend to knock your silverware off the table as they walk by, you can fart in their face when they stoop to pick it up.
 
2013-02-12 04:52:01 PM  
Why is it that the server who gets $6.50 an hour deserves a tip for dealing with your bullshiat, but the sales associate at a department story, who gets $7.40 an hour, doesn't deserve a tip for dealing with MORE of your bullshiat and often for a longer period of time?

And more to the point, why does the server get a tip when it's the busboy and dishwasher who deal with the nasty part of the job?

I'm all for just changing the whole system so servers get a higher wage and tipping is no longer compulsory.
 
2013-02-12 04:52:12 PM  

OgreMagi: megarian: Tip.

Just the tip.  To see how it feels.


Exaaaaaaactly.
 
2013-02-12 04:53:05 PM  
Oops. Department store.
 
2013-02-12 04:55:03 PM  

megarian: OgreMagi: megarian: Tip.

Just the tip.  To see how it feels.

Exaaaaaaactly.


I'm curious.  Are there guys who actually try this line on women?  And are there women who fall for it?

/addresses of the women would be useful
//for research purposes
 
2013-02-12 04:55:05 PM  

lennavan: It's your first time to this particular restaurant.  You look around, the place is packed.  Heck, it seems as if it has been packed all day.  But you're hungry, your wife doesn't want to drive around and you heard this place has good food so you walk up to where the hostess is supposed to be to put your name in.  But she's not there.  So you stand around and wait until she finally comes back.  After glancing at her list of names, she tells you 15-20 minutes.  Really she knows it will be more like 45 minutes but she doesn't want customers to leave so she fudges the numbers.

You look around, there's just a single bench for seating in the waiting area and it's occupied.  Some people are packed in like sardines in the inside waiting area but most people are waiting outside in the cold, so you follow suit.  After 30 minutes you ask the hostess how much longer.  She says any minute now.  Another 15 minutes go by waiting, standing outside in the cold.  Your feet hurt and you're cold but your name gets called so you go get seated.

You sit at your table with your wife and wait.  It takes your waitress 15 minutes before she bothers to come by and introduce herself.  Your waitress has 42 other people to take care of, a full load.  You're just 5% of her work load and boy does she ever treat you like it.  She says "Hi, my name is, and I'll be your server, can I get you some drinks?"   Well you order your drinks but it's another 10 minutes before she bothers to bring them out.  When you do get your drinks, they should have come with a warning - drink slowly.  There's no chance she'll notice your drink is empty and when you ask for a refill, that's another 10 minute wait.  Somewhere around 20 minutes after you sat down the waitress asks if you're ready to order.  Yeah, we were ready 15 minutes ago, where were you?  When the food comes, it's terrible.  Turns out the cook is new and keeps screwing up orders.  The waitress knows it.  You asked specifically for no nuts because you'r ...



Welcome to the "Green 3" favorites team.
 
2013-02-12 04:55:34 PM  

ZeroCorpse: Why is it that the server who gets $6.50 an hour deserves a tip for dealing with your bullshiat, but the sales associate at a department story, who gets $7.40 an hour, doesn't deserve a tip for dealing with MORE of your bullshiat and often for a longer period of time?


Traditionally department stores gave employees commissions on sales.
 
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2013-02-12 04:57:06 PM  

stonicus: shaunmark: They should start a game show on this. Hidden cameras. If the waiter claims the exact amount they make on tips and report it correctly to the manager, they get a huge bonus/raise/promotion, etc. If they lie, they get arrested for tax fraud.

I just want to see a lot of people get arrested.

Every server in the US would be in jail.


Go on....
 
2013-02-12 04:57:43 PM  

kidgenius: First, doesn't matter a table of 8 didn't leave a tip.  Gratuity is almost always enforced on tables of 6 or 8.  Second, most restaurants have "bussers" that clear the tables, not waiters...


If that's the case you have to tip them out.

fastfxr: Sorry...can't stand people whining about something they have 100% power to change.


I'm sure there are lots of single mothers and students that would love to find jobs that meet their financial needs w/out having to deal with all the assholes being a server or bartender necessitates.

Also no matter the industry you tip misers currently feel masters of that allows you the absence of empathy you're showing toward a big group of people that do work very hard just remember you will age.  You will become less desirable and your skill set will become obsolete.  There will be a point that you might need the goodwill of strangers and I hope the universe pays you back for your lack of generosity to those less fortunate.

I can afford to tip well.  When I do the smile on the person's face often makes me feel like I've made their day a little better.  Who wouldn't give a few bucks to make someone's awful day a little bit better?  What kind of person does that make you?

And if you're unwilling to provide the customary 15%-20% tip to your server you likely should get carry out or just eat at home.

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2013-02-12 05:01:11 PM  

Giant Clown Shoe: Also no matter the industry you tip misers currently feel masters of that allows you the absence of empathy you're showing toward a big group of people that do work very hard just remember you will age. You will become less desirable and your skill set will become obsolete. There will be a point that you might need the goodwill of strangers and I hope the universe pays you back for your lack of generosity to those less fortunate.


I dont see my skillset becoming obsolete in my lifetime, but you know what? I realize how lucky I am and I tip like a motherfarker.
 
2013-02-12 05:02:06 PM  

Giant Clown Shoe: Who wouldn't give a few bucks to make someone's awful day a little bit better? What kind of person does that make you?


Bums are exempt from this philosophy, I hope.
 
2013-02-12 05:02:27 PM  
I'd rather see waitstaff simply paid a liveable wage and the cost of their salary factored into the cost of their product just like every other industry works. It's less humiliating for the waitstaff who no longer have to beg their customers for scraps to survive and it means I don't have to do any math at the end of the night when I'm drunk. Tipping should be an obsolete practice.
 
2013-02-12 05:04:19 PM  
Here's how things went last night in a restaurant we go to almost weekly.

Waiter:  Hello guys, I'm going off shift, but I'll make sure [waiter] has you covered.  You want a mojito, right?
Me: Yep
Friend:  And I'll have an ice tea.
about three minutes go by
New Waiter:  Here's your mojito and ice tea.  Do you need more time or are you ready to order:
Friend:  I'm ready.
Me: I'm ready.
We place orders
Several minutes go by, the appetizer arrives.
Another 10 minutes go by, the food arrives.
There were no issues until the very end when the waiter was stuck at a table with some slow people so couldn't pick up the credit card and process the order.  It wasn't his fault.  The people were that stupid in trying to order.

We left a proper tip.
 
2013-02-12 05:08:24 PM  

The Shatner Incident: kvinesknows: TeddyRooseveltsMustache: If you can't afford to tip, there's no one to blame except yourself. Also, if you can't afford to tip, you shouldn't be going to any restaurant that doesn't offer a meal for children with a toy included.

if you cant afford to work without tips.  Dont work a job that depends on them

Enjoy the spit and dickcheese in your food the next time you come in, dude. Servers don't forget pieces of self-important shiat who barely get in the door without tripping on their own egos.

/not condoning it
//but I understand


did I say I dont tip?
 
2013-02-12 05:10:09 PM  
I think everyone should be required to work a year or two at some service industry type job.  It gives you a lot of perspective.  I also think people who have only worked as waitstaff and constantly complain about how hard it is/how little it pays should have to work as a cashier, retail slug, or some other type of minimum wage job that isn't tipped.
 
2013-02-12 05:12:07 PM  

super_grass: Yay, tipping thread!

Remember kids, waiters are the hardest working people on the planet.  Without them, society would come to a grinding halt!


Totally! They deserve to be paid the salaries of professional athletes, millions a year....because without them we'd have to serve ourselves like most people in the world do anyway.

/screw servers
//your tip is find a different job and quit whining
 
2013-02-12 05:13:43 PM  
If you don't like begging for hands outs, dont be a waiter
if you want to make more than min wage, don't be a waiter (YES, they make min wage if their tips don't cover. NO restraunt owners don't break federal laws to repress the young)


I only tip on first dates, because of social norms.. after that get wrecked.

I don't get $5 for great spreedsheets, I get my salery
 
2013-02-12 05:15:53 PM  

browntimmy: Here's a brilliant idea, pay them minimum wage and customers can tip $2-$5 extra if they feel like it. If McDonald's can afford to pay their workers minimum wage, Olive Garden can too without jacking up the price of noodles and sauce.


Yeah, yeah, yeah...

Here's the problem - the one thing that every single server is carefully avoiding to mention is that they don't want to work for minimum wage. They already know they're more than qualified to go to McDonald's and make $8 an hour. They want to make significantly more than that, so all of your arguments about paying the minimum wage are intentionally being ignored. Show me just ONE server or bartender on here who would be willing to work for 20-30% over minimum wage rather than stay with the current model.
 
2013-02-12 05:15:53 PM  

Jument: Yay, another tipping thread! Honestly, aren't we getting tired of this yet?


I'd hope so.

It's hilarious that they push tipping like it must be done in the US. Whereas in other countries it's basically an insult.
 
2013-02-12 05:16:39 PM  
I worked as a waiter for 7 years in high school, college, and shortly after.

It was hard work, but I made a crapton of money. It is one of the highest paid unskilled jobs out there that requires no education or training.

Complaining about the job is stupid. The waiters/waitresses who complained the most about tips usually sucked and had a bad attitude.

15% is plenty. I considered 18-20% a great tip when I did a great job. There is no need for the % to inflate because it is already a %.
 
2013-02-12 05:23:29 PM  

OgreMagi: megarian: OgreMagi: megarian: Tip.

Just the tip.  To see how it feels.

Exaaaaaaactly.

I'm curious.  Are there guys who actually try this line on women?  And are there women who fall for it?

/addresses of the women would be useful
//for research purposes


I've been a bartender for a life time. No one has actually fallen for it. The ones that "have fallen for it" = hotdog + hallway.

Please see MySpace for details.
 
2013-02-12 05:23:35 PM  

tbhouston: If you don't like begging for hands outs, dont be a waiter
if you want to make more than min wage, don't be a waiter (YES, they make min wage if their tips don't cover. NO restraunt owners don't break federal laws to repress the young)


I only tip on first dates, because of social norms.. after that get wrecked.

I don't get $5 for great spreedsheets spelling, I get my

salery

/you are welcome
//sieg heil and all that
 
2013-02-12 05:25:09 PM  

megarian: OgreMagi: megarian: OgreMagi: megarian: Tip.

Just the tip.  To see how it feels.

Exaaaaaaactly.

I'm curious.  Are there guys who actually try this line on women?  And are there women who fall for it?

/addresses of the women would be useful
//for research purposes

I've been a bartender for a life time. No one has actually fallen for it. The ones that "have fallen for it" = hotdog + hallway.

Please see MySpace for details.


MySpace still exists?
 
2013-02-12 05:25:11 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: Quit your biatching and tip your waitron...even if he or she sucks, give him or her 15%. If he or she rocks your table, give 20%

Either that or make your own goddamn supper.


This is exactly why we have crappy servers, they expect 15% for doing a shiate job. Good service, 20% is pretty standard for me but why would I give a terrible server 5% less than a server who did a great job.
Bill $100
Awesome server $100*.2=$20
Terrible server     $100*.15=$15
By your rule, on a $100 tab, the worst server in a restaurant should only get only $5 less than a server who worked their a** off to do a great job.

Are you employed as a sh*tty server? Running for president of the sh*tty server union maybe?
 
2013-02-12 05:26:03 PM  
1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-02-12 05:27:10 PM  

yelmrog: Tipping is the price you pay to eat like the nobility used to, to have people wait on you like servants.  Don't like it, don't eat at restaurants.


o'rly?

2.bp.blogspot.comwww.standard.co.uk
 
2013-02-12 05:27:38 PM  

ZeroPly: browntimmy: Here's a brilliant idea, pay them minimum wage and customers can tip $2-$5 extra if they feel like it. If McDonald's can afford to pay their workers minimum wage, Olive Garden can too without jacking up the price of noodles and sauce.

Yeah, yeah, yeah...

Here's the problem - the one thing that every single server is carefully avoiding to mention is that they don't want to work for minimum wage. They already know they're more than qualified to go to McDonald's and make $8 an hour. They want to make significantly more than that, so all of your arguments about paying the minimum wage are intentionally being ignored. Show me just ONE server or bartender on here who would be willing to work for 20-30% over minimum wage rather than stay with the current model.


This. When I was waiting tables/bartending almost full time back in college, I was making tons of money. I only wish I had saved more, but because the money was so easy, I didn't bother. And I think it's more of an issue about the type of server you are. A bartender (I actually pick up a few shifts a week for awesome extra cash) is going to pull in some nice loot regardless of how the customer tips. Unless there's no one there on a dead night, it all usually works out at the end of the night. You're going to be giving your good tippers more service (subconsciously or on purpose) and they are going to offset the few who don't tip (who should also get good service or else you wind up in a self-fulfilling prophecy). Same thing goes for a server in a more high end joint. Now if you're in a greasy spoon or a Dennys or something, I'm sure every customer counts as you might be lucky to get 10 a table. A stiffing is going to hurt you a lot more there.

But at any rate, I tip well no matter where I go. If you've worked in that industry it's easy to understand. If you haven't, I can see why a lot of people don't really get it.
 
2013-02-12 05:28:21 PM  
What's the deal with this phrase, "Hi, I'm So and so and I'll be helping you out this evening."

Is that just a Los Angeles thing with servers?
 
2013-02-12 05:29:39 PM  

res_nihil: I think everyone should be required to work a year or two at some service industry type job.


Not required, but overall I agree, but needs to include firefighter, EMT, or dispatcher or the like . Build a good sense of community and whatnot. Though I also think that if someone does 2 years of volunteer firefighter, EMT, or other job that someone is able to do (gotta be able to allow people with physical disabilities to take part), they should be allowed to go to their local community college to get their Associates tuition and fee free, if only to help people get on the right path to college or help pay for it for families who can't afford to send their kid to school right after high school. Spend the last couple years of high school doing some volunteer work, get the first two years of college free.

farkingatwork: It's hilarious that they push tipping like it must be done in the US. Whereas in other countries it's basically an insult.


Huh... didn't know that.
 
2013-02-12 05:30:54 PM  

fireclown: Before this goes all crazy, has anyone experimented with a restaurant where servers are just paid a decent wage to start with so that tipping wasn't necessary?


Yes: Europe. Result: shiatty service. Exception: Ehen the wait staff are also owners/family.
 
2013-02-12 05:32:42 PM  

PooperMcSlides: This is exactly why we have crappy servers, they expect 15% for doing a shiate job.


Ever done the job?
 
2013-02-12 05:34:08 PM  
What if we replaced all waiters and waitresses with self-service order terminals connected via network to the order tracking system at the bar/kitchen? And you enter your order and it's automatically transmitted and queued into the kitchen's order system. And when the bartender or cook finishes your order, they note it as completed in their tracking system, which is then reflected in your self-service terminal at your table.  Then you get up and go get it yourself.  When you're done, you pay at the self-service terminal as well.

There. I've just eliminated any need for a waiter or waitress or cashier, thereby cutting the costs significantly, while also increasing the efficiency and customer satisfaction of all medium to large restaurants.

Also, there's absolutely zero reason for a cashier/order-taker in an non full service restaurant.  All ordering should be self service, all payments should be self service.  Without self service you've entering a security liability into the financial transaction, while also entering a liability for entering the order wrongly.  WaWa knows what's up.
 
2013-02-12 05:35:29 PM  

fireclown: Before this goes all crazy, has anyone experimented with a restaurant where servers are just paid a decent wage to start with so that tipping wasn't necessary?


Yes. In fact here in Washington state they get their normal wages PLUS tips. They are still greedy pricks that think they are on par with Doctors and expect wages to match.

I would rather pay my tip directly to the cook and/or bartender because that guy/gal actually worked for it.

/These problems don't come up in high end restaurants in general
//Stop dining at Denny's and you can't biatch about crap service
///Olive Garden is NOT high-end regardless of what you whiny little snots think. Anyone that has a basic all-you-can-eat policy is a step above McDonalds and below Country Buffet.
////Slashies!
 
2013-02-12 05:36:47 PM  

OgreMagi: megarian: OgreMagi: megarian: OgreMagi: megarian: Tip.

Just the tip.  To see how it feels.

Exaaaaaaactly.

I'm curious.  Are there guys who actually try this line on women?  And are there women who fall for it?

/addresses of the women would be useful
//for research purposes

I've been a bartender for a life time. No one has actually fallen for it. The ones that "have fallen for it" = hotdog + hallway.

Please see MySpace for details.

MySpace still exists?


You have to be * really* desperate. There's a logarithmic equation.
 
2013-02-12 05:38:24 PM  
I've been walking since i was 4 years old

maybe do a job that cant be done by a 4 year old?

OMG you walked..and than, omg you walked back.. tell it again
 
2013-02-12 05:40:58 PM  
www.gothiclegends.co.uk

/what over tipping looks like... or is it tipping over?
 
2013-02-12 05:41:05 PM  
I did not want to weigh in on this, but if I pay by credit I often tip cash so that the server gets the money right away. It's possible that the tips left on the table left in someones elses pocket.
 
2013-02-12 05:41:16 PM  
You're not impressing me when you don't write down my order. I don't care if you maintain eye contact; I care that I don't get pickles on my burger. If you think that maintaining eye contact is going to ensure you a better tip than getting my order right you are fully mistaken.
 
2013-02-12 05:43:10 PM  

Stimpy's new tooth: 2KanZam: Working in the restaurant business is really tough and can be a whole lotta work.


....and if you don't like it then get a farking education or skill and make a living by doing something you won't biatch about.  I did...as did most I know

/Don't complain about something that you can change

OK, just to give you guys a different perspective:

I'm a single mother.  I work for a university as a business manager.  I have a master's degree and fifteen years' experience in my field.  I also bar tend part time on the weekends in a 'gentleman's club' because I am my sole source of income--no support or help from the ex at all (married for 8 years).  So, I could live in a snake pit and not provide a reasonably comfortable existence for myself and my daughter, or I could use what hotness I have left to make a little scratch on the side to live well.

So to all of you narrow-minded, tunnel-visioned Mr. Magoo's who can't see past their own experiences, people like me often work in service jobs because they need a SECOND source of income to supplement, and that job needs to have different hours than the OTHER job I have that provides my family with insurance, benefits, etc.

If you can't afford to tip, you can't afford to go out.  Stay home.

And you are supposed to tip the staff if you get take out from a restaurant.  Do you know that the servers have to pay taxes on a minimum of 8% of their sales?  So, if you stiff them, they still have to pay taxes on money they didn't even earn.

Thanks a lot to those of you who have the class to take care of those who take care of you!!  And to the rest of you, I hope someone puts Visine in your rum and coke.


need moar profile pic plox
 
2013-02-12 05:44:20 PM  
If these threads (and real life) weren't full of assholes telling servers to get a better job, or telling all of us how much their job sucks by comparison so everybody should just put up with whatever shiat their employer decides to dish out, I might be inclined to tell the servers to suck it up.

But there are assholes everywhere, assholing all over everything, so I'm on the side of the servers.

I guess for most people, making unreasonable demands in a restaurant is the only bit of real power they'll ever have. Maybe we should feel sorry for them that the only way they can feel important is to heap abuse on the lowly restaurant workers.
 
2013-02-12 05:48:39 PM  
I thought being paid less than minimum wage is ILLEGAL?

Tips are optional, not obligated. If you receive a tip, say thanks, if not, don't hold a grudge against the customers. It's not only the server who is having a hard time in life. Just because somebody's a customer of a restaurant doesn't mean he exactly has that much throwaway money or doesn't have a lot of bills to pay where the tip money could be better used.

Reading that write-up made me feel stressed and out of breath, probably due to its lack of proper punctuations.

Why was the hero tag used again? I think it's time we had an "Angry Worker" tag.
 
2013-02-12 05:49:44 PM  

tbhouston: I've been walking since i was 4 years old

maybe do a job that cant be done by a 4 year old?

OMG you walked..and than, omg you walked back.. tell it again


I feel this way about mailmen.
 
2013-02-12 05:54:51 PM  

fastfxr: GET A DIFFERENT JOB, YOU WHINY WANKER.


No one is forcing you to do this.

Go work on a farm or ranch....then come back and whine.

/Sorry...can't stand people whining about something they have 100% power to change.


Oh, I know this game!

"I'm unemployed and can't make ends meet."
"Well then get a job waiting tables, you farking knob!"

"Okay, I got a crappy job waiting tables and I still can't make ends meet."
"You get no sympathy from me! Why don't you get a read job!?"

Apparently you don't have any employment problems in your world (because farms, apparently). In the world the rest of us live in, jobs are in short supply and someone has to get stuck with the crap jobs.  Since you're one of the lucky ones who doesn't have to do that, it seems strange for you to dump on the people who aren't so lucky.

In my own case, I'm grateful that I've got a good job and I don't feel put out by the thought of sharing my good fortune with the person who's bringing me my food. I really don't get the sort of outrage that you are, apparently, feeling. It strikes me as a strange form of indignation.
 
2013-02-12 05:54:57 PM  
My mother managed to raise two kids by herself in Hawaii (very expensive) on food and beverage wages and tips. She always put the customer first and expected nothing. She did very well for herself with ONE job and two kids.

She was expected to provide a service in that job and she did so. Tips were a recognition of that job well done. Tips were never counted on nor expected, she did her job well because it was the right thing to do.

Work ethics have changed a lot in the last 30 years. Now we got the snowflakes in service and they expect participation rewards just for showing up to the job alive.
 
2013-02-12 06:00:22 PM  

Treygreen13: I tip, and I tip well.

But goddamnit I don't need a reminder about how much your job sucks.


I dream of a job where the most complicated thing I have to figure out every day is who ordered the Coke with no ice.
 
2013-02-12 06:01:26 PM  

ReverendJynxed: My mother managed to raise two kids by herself in Hawaii (very expensive) on food and beverage wages and tips. She always put the customer first and expected nothing. She did very well for herself with ONE job and two kids.

She was expected to provide a service in that job and she did so. Tips were a recognition of that job well done. Tips were never counted on nor expected, she did her job well because it was the right thing to do.

Work ethics have changed a lot in the last 30 years. Now we got the snowflakes in service and they expect participation rewards just for showing up to the job alive.


A lot of THIS
 
2013-02-12 06:03:37 PM  
I don't have enough friends to be 10 at a table because I'm a bit of a goofball. But I'll be damned if I'm going to tip someone who just charged me $2 for water over beans by turning around and working a machine.
 
2013-02-12 06:03:45 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: PooperMcSlides: This is exactly why we have crappy servers, they expect 15% for doing a shiate job.

Ever done the job?


Absolutely I have, it got me through school and I hated it because you have to put up with a lot of crap which is why for good service (not even great), I tip 20%. I get it, it can suck but like so many people have pointed out, there are lots of other difficult low paying jobs that don't provide tips.

My point earlier was like in any other job, the best people should be rewarded better. If I am the worst waiter in a restaurant or the worst lawyer in a law firm, I should expect that my compensation will be significantly worse than the best person in that job. Reward hard work and a job well done, not just showing up.

That boarderline crazy old man rant aside, I get that it is tough job and depending on the customers, it can be downright miserable.
 
2013-02-12 06:07:19 PM  
boo farking hoo
 
2013-02-12 06:08:31 PM  
I tip a lot, and if you don't for good service, you're an asshole.
It's pretty simple.

Also, ChipNasa is bag of dicks.
 
2013-02-12 06:10:46 PM  

burning_bridge: TheSwissNavy: Only a white person would refer to $9/hour as "slave wages".  Slaves were generally paid a lot less, like, zero.

And it's not so simple that servers t make $2.65 an hour - if their tips don't bring their gross up to minimum wage,they are paid minimum wage. Which isn't much, but when the Democrats had control of Congress with a filibuster-proof Senate, and the Presidency, from July 2010 to January 2012, they didn't bother fixing this. Or anything.

/wanker

You obviously never heard of Blue Dog Democrats, have you?  They're Republicans who for some reason are Democrats.  They also held up a lot of things during that time.  One of them held up Obamacare for a long time due to his, and since your Repub you're going to have a hard time believing this one, strong anti-abortion stance.  Coupled with the overall spinelessness of the party in general, no not a lot got done.

And $9 an hour is not slave wages.  It's substance-level survival wages, with roommates depending on where you live.  I guess yeah, that is different.  So hey, I agree with you!  Ain't that something?

They're Republicans who for some reason are Democrats


LOL!!!

You need to spend more time on the Fark Politics tab.
 
2013-02-12 06:11:24 PM  
A always tip my server well for the food she gives me.

And by "server", I mean prostitue.
And by "food", I mean sex.
 
2013-02-12 06:11:34 PM  

PooperMcSlides: Absolutely I have, it got me through school and I hated it because you have to put up with a lot of crap which is why for good service (not even great), I tip 20%. I get it, it can suck but like so many people have pointed out, there are lots of other difficult low paying jobs that don't provide tips.


Twenty percent has been the normal, expected tip for a while now. Going to have to up it to 30% for good service.
 
2013-02-12 06:15:14 PM  

Litig8r: If being a waitress is such a lousy job, why do so many people do it?  And why have so many people done it over the years -- regardless of the economy which, I admit, is crap right now.


I'm sure it was because they felt the medical/legal/engineering/name-any-other-profession-where-you-needed-t o-apply-yourself-in-your-education-years-here fields were already saturated with talented workers...so they decided to slum it for awhile and wait tables.

Seriously, life is a continuous process.  If the moment sucks, and you find yourself in that moment repeatedly, you can look to your past for the cause and your future for the solution...because unless you're an actual slave, the present is 100% your own doing.  Next time you're a kid in class, sit down, shut up and learn.  Get an education and put up with the crap (including, possibly, waiting tables) until you get one.  Otherwise, enjoy the rest of your life suffering through the crap.
 
2013-02-12 06:16:56 PM  
I generally tip 20%, never leaving less than $5.  I do pretty ok financially these days, but I certainly recall working for minimum wage earlier in my life.
 
2013-02-12 06:18:02 PM  
Get a real education, one that has jobs. If you are just studying what you like then you have failed at understanding the point of education.
 
2013-02-12 06:22:55 PM  
Some 'Splainin' To Do: Apparently you don't have any employment problems in your world (because farms, apparently). In the world the rest of us live in, jobs are in short supply and someone has to get stuck with the crap jobs.  Since you're one of the lucky ones who doesn't have to do that, it seems strange for you to dump on the people who aren't so lucky.

In my own case, I'm grateful that I've got a good job and I don't feel put out by the thought of sharing my good fortune with the person who's bringing me my food. I really don't get the sort of outrage that you are, apparently, feeling. It strikes me as a strange form of indignation.


Hm.  I live in the United States where the unemployment rate is around 7.9% and within the past 45 days I've gotten not one but two full time positions and am working them both.

I'll suggest that being employable and finding a job has less to do with being "lucky" and more to do with the skills you possess, the quality of those skills and your willingness to acquire, maintain and refine the skills that employers need and are looking for.
 
2013-02-12 06:24:45 PM  
Former server here.  I waited tables for about four years at a variety of mid-range family places.  It can be stressful, especially when things are going south.  I used to have nightmares about "being in the weeds" for years after I stopped.  In those 4 years, however, I got stiffed maybe three times - twice by teenagers and once by an old man who should have known better.  This article is nice, but complete fiction.

I tip 20% if everything is great, 15% if I feel things were sub-par.
 
2013-02-12 06:26:29 PM  

Taima: Wow, what a bunch of cheap bastards in this thread.  Is giving a few extra bucks to your server (or person from another service profession) really going to hurt you?   If so, then who really needs to get another job?


But be honest, "a couple of bucks" isn't 20%, unless you only order $10 worth of food.

When I take my family out to dinner, our bill is usually around $60.  20% of that is $12.00.  We're usually there for an hour, from the time we sit down to the time we leave (sometimes less).  That means that server just made a minimum of $12.00/hour FROM ME. (Because I typically do tip 20%. I'll tip more if the server just keeps our drinks refilled and doesn't talk. I hate being asked "how is everything?"  --  If there was a problem waiter, you would have known about it already).

But anyway - so the server just made $12.00/hour off me. Plus no telling how many other diners.  Even if they get the occasional non-tipper, they're STILL going to make out like bandits at the end of the night.

My own daughters have both been waitresses at various restaurants, and they've both told me there's never been a night they didn't walk out with at least $100 in tips after a full night, and sometimes as much as $300. (And that's from no where near as many tables as this author apparently had).

It doesn't take many diners to pull out $100 in tips, even at only $5 a table.  Even on a 5 hour shift, that works out to only 2 tables per hour.

So I don't think it's a question of "20%", but "how much does your server think they deserve per hour"?

Because any server that isn't making at least $10/hour on average needs to find a different restaurant.
 
2013-02-12 06:26:57 PM  

Thisbymaster: Get a real education, one that has jobs. If you are just studying what you like then you have failed at understanding the point of education.


No. There's absolutely nothing wrong with studying whatever you like, provided you don't assume this entitles you to a job.

The problem is if you expect to get a job without any real forethought or planning.
I don't care what your parents, teachers, high-school guidance counsellor, or "society" told you. If you're not smart enough to see that a degree in English Lit or Philosophy isn't exactly the path to a successful career, then you get what you deserve.
 
2013-02-12 06:31:14 PM  
Okay, serious tipping question here:

Assuming the service is essentially fine each time, should I tip at Starbucks each time I order my usual latte? I typically get one every other day or so.

I notice that most people don't put anything in the tip jar. Are they being labelled as stiffs by the staff? Or is tipping just generally less expected at coffee shops than at restaurants?
 
2013-02-12 06:32:51 PM  
After sharing my tips with hosts, bussers, and bartenders, I make less than $9 an hour on average, before taxes.

You need to find a better restaurant to work at. I averaged $20+ an hour when I waited tables and was among the low earners because I was new and always got the crappy section.

It's hard, demanding work if you do it right. But it should pay well if you're doing it right.
 
2013-02-12 06:34:14 PM  
Having heard out the case for not tipping, I'm inclined to tip even more in the future. My take away from all this is that the act of not tipping is but a small gesture born of a greater integrated credo of being an all around asshole with perhaps a little bit of anger issues thrown in to boot.
 
2013-02-12 06:36:42 PM  

WhippingBoy: A always tip my server well for the food she gives me.

And by "server", I mean prostitue.
And by "food", I mean sex.


What do you mean by "tip"?
 
2013-02-12 06:40:17 PM  

MagSeven: WhippingBoy: A always tip my server well for the food she gives me.

And by "server", I mean prostitue.
And by "food", I mean sex.

What do you mean by "tip"?


*sobs*
 
2013-02-12 06:41:09 PM  

ChipNASA: "Just the tip..."


Just for a second. Just to see how it feels.
 
2013-02-12 06:44:13 PM  
www.listofimages.com

"Tip your AMERICAN server..."

Fixed that for you, subby.  Every other server on the planet get paid an hourly wage for it.
 
2013-02-12 06:45:13 PM  
If the server is good, prompt and does their job well, they'll get a good tip.

If they're uncaring about the meal, not getting us our drinks for 30 minutes after we sat down, the food showing up nearly 40 minutes after the drinks (easy meals to make), and it takes another 40 minutes for us to get our bill after we finished our food, all at a place with maybe 15 other patrons, half of which were seated well after us, and got their desserts and were finished long before us....well that server will get a bad tip. If they're lucky.

Not that that exact scenario happened to me the other night or anything...
 
2013-02-12 06:47:44 PM  

Litig8r: If being a waitress is such a lousy job, why do so many people do it?  And why have so many people done it over the years -- regardless of the economy which, I admit, is crap right now.


Some people have responded in a negative fashion, so I'll try to be more positive.

A good friend of mine has been in the food service industry for close to 30 years and has held wait staff, bartender and management positions in cafes, dive bars and upscale restaurants. She does it in part because she likes taking care of people and making sure they have a good time. And for someone without a college education, her time spent working in upscale restaurants earned her a pretty good income--much of it untaxed--when the economy was booming. When the economy sucks, the tips go way down, even in expensive restaurants.

Although she lacks a formal education, she is by no means dumb and knows almost enough about wines and food to be a sommelier (probably because she was never a good student and doesn't want to get the credentials). She's a pretty good cook, but was never interested in becoming a chef because when all is said and done, she's a people person and working behind the scenes doesn't interest her.

Yes, she complains about everything mentioned in TFA. But she found something she's good at, can make decent money doing, and once you're in the restaurant business, the long periods of working odd hours with the same people kind of forms a closed circle of friends. Who else is ready to START partying at 2:30am on a Wednesday and doesn't have to be at work until 2pm the same day? (Oh wait, this is Fark. Forget I asked.)

Seriously, though, from the time she was old enough to hold down a full-time job, she's been in the food service business. She took a small detour for a while and tried working a regular 9-5 job because she wanted more income stability, even if it meant she couldn't just work 3 double-shifts T-W-Th to make extra money. Didn't work out and she went back to working at restaurants. Last I heard from her, she was managing and working the floor at a nice restaurant in a pricey neighborhood. So she probably is getting pretty good tips and has lots of "regulars" who benefit from her knowing how they like their martinis, steaks, desserts, etc.

She is the reason I tip well when I go out. I know these people in the food service industry depend on tips to make ends meet. If I get truly bad service from my server, I'll talk to the manager. It isn't always the server's fault and not tipping the server isn't the best solution even if the server IS the problem.
 
2013-02-12 06:50:46 PM  

Mitch Taylor's Bro: knows almost enough about wines and food to be a sommelier (never tried to become one, probably because she was never a good student and doesn't want to get the credentials).


Gah, fixed.
 
2013-02-12 06:51:29 PM  
Several years ago, I was traveling on business and had dinner in a small, upper-end family restaurant in the small town I was working in.  I was dining alone.  Service started out pretty good.  Waiter was prompt and efficient.  However, just after my appetizer was served and I had ordered another drink, a table of 4 cute young girls was seated in my waiter's section.  He was all over that table and I was neglected.  I had ordered another drink but that no longer seemed important to him.  While he was at the bar or in the kitchen getting stuff for them, I noticed them going around to other patrons who seemed to be friends and trying to scrape up enough money to pay the bill.  Of course, romeo didn't notice that.

After about 20 minutes of waiting, I got his attention and motioned him over.  He came over and apologized for forgetting my drink.  I asked  him to hold on just a minute - I wanted to talk to him.  I explained to him that I was just as impressed with the young girls' looks as he was but that I was very disappointed in the turn the quality of my service had taken once they walked in the restaurant.  I told him that his other tables appeared to be somewhat annoyed as well.  I then asked him to look at his tables and make a quick analysis.  I was a stranger in town, most likely on business and therefore putting my tab on an expense account.  There was another table with an older couple, obviously well off.  Another table with a family and, from the way they were dressed and behaved, probably above average income.  Then there were the 4 girls.  Obviously co-eds.  I explained that I had observed them hitting up friends and acquaintances in the restaurant hoping to come up with enough money to cover their bill.  And I suggested that, unless he was guaranteed getting laid or at least a great BJ from one of the young girls at the table, his best bet for a tip was going to be to give superior service to the tables where it looked like there might be some money and not be swooning over the one table.  For a moment, he looked at me like he had been pole-axed.  He gathered himself, took off for the bar and brought me 2 drinks, explaining that one was on him for the delay.  For the rest of the evening, my service was impeccable, as was that for his other tables.  He didn't neglect the 4 young women but he didn't spend any more time there than necessary.  I tipped him well.

A couple nights later I was in the same town, went to the same restaurant.  I was seated at a table and shortly after, the hostess came over and asked if I would mind sitting in a different section.  Seems the young man had seen me come in and asked that I be seated in his section - he wanted to make sure I was well taken care of.  And during the course of the evening, he admitted to me that the girls had stiffed him on the tip.  My service, however was impeccable and I tipped him well.
 
2013-02-12 06:51:55 PM  

TheSwissNavy: Only a white person would refer to $9/hour as "slave wages".  Slaves were generally paid a lot less, like, zero.

And it's not so simple that servers t make $2.65 an hour - if their tips don't bring their gross up to minimum wage,they are paid minimum wage. Which isn't much, but when the Democrats had control of Congress with a filibuster-proof Senate, and the Presidency, from July 2010 to January 2012, they didn't bother fixing this. Or anything.

/wanker


Except for the whole food and shelter being provided for them.
 
2013-02-12 06:52:34 PM  
I've had bad cutomers here and there, but by and large, I never average less than 15% in tips no matter where I've worked, and I was once a 15 year old waiter at a diner, probably the only living example of one nationwide. The simple fact of the matter is, if she was only making $9 an hour, why doesn't she just work the Burger King night shift for $10? I agree with the premise that there is no excuse for low tipping with good service, but I take these anecdotes with a grain or two.
 
2013-02-12 06:53:14 PM  
Haha. Waiters. Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah. Look, your late teens and early twenties are supposed to suck. It's a rule. They say good things come to those who wait, but if you're over 30 and you're still waiting, it's too late. You waited too long. They call it "waiting" because you're only supposed to do it until you can find a real job.
 
2013-02-12 06:53:23 PM  
20% when out.

at my local where I get a 25% discount for food I tip based on the list price.  25%
 
2013-02-12 06:54:23 PM  
"Tip your AMERICAN server..."

Fixed that for you, subby.  Every other server on the planet get paid an hourly wage for it.


Yeah, a really shiatty wage good servers like me wouldn't get out of bed for.
American servers are the highest paid, worldwide.
 
2013-02-12 06:55:07 PM  

PooperMcSlides: Dancin_In_Anson: Quit your biatching and tip your waitron...even if he or she sucks, give him or her 15%. If he or she rocks your table, give 20%

Either that or make your own goddamn supper.

This is exactly why we have crappy servers, they expect 15% for doing a shiate job. Good service, 20% is pretty standard for me but why would I give a terrible server 5% less than a server who did a great job.
Bill $100
Awesome server $100*.2=$20
Terrible server     $100*.15=$15
By your rule, on a $100 tab, the worst server in a restaurant should only get only $5 less than a server who worked their a** off to do a great job.

Are you employed as a sh*tty server? Running for president of the sh*tty server union maybe?


That's kinda the point I was making as well - if your bill is $100, and you tip $20 and were there for an hour, that server is making $20/hour just from you. All the other tables could tip 0%, and that server STILL made $20 for that hour (plus their standard $2.65 or whatever is mandated in their state).

Unless a restaurant is completely dead (no customers), I doubt there's a server out there that can't at least average $10/hour in tips.

The question then becomes "does a server deserve more than $10 hour". But that's a whole different thread. :)
 
2013-02-12 06:57:02 PM  

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: PooperMcSlides: Absolutely I have, it got me through school and I hated it because you have to put up with a lot of crap which is why for good service (not even great), I tip 20%. I get it, it can suck but like so many people have pointed out, there are lots of other difficult low paying jobs that don't provide tips.

Twenty percent has been the normal, expected tip for a while now. Going to have to up it to 30% for good service.


Ha, yes, I heard that in Manhattan that is the case. To get 30% from me, they are going to have to do something pretty spectacular. It's not impossible but I can't imagine what realistically would make me tip that much.
 
2013-02-12 06:57:53 PM  

Dixon Cider: JesusJuice:

I never tip and neither should you.  It just perpetuates a broken system.

Want to know how I know you are an asshole?


I'm guessing you define everyone more intelligent than you to be an asshole.
 
2013-02-12 06:58:16 PM  

tricycleracer: ChipNASA: [4.bp.blogspot.com image 640x960]

/flame on

A black customer didn't tip???  Whaaa?
An entitled, self-righteous black customer who brings up slavery as a defense mechanism even though they've most likely never experienced anything close to it didn't tip???  Whaaa?

 

/you're welcome
 
2013-02-12 07:01:19 PM  

Mitch Taylor's Bro: And for someone without a college education, her time spent working in upscale restaurants earned her a pretty good income--much of it untaxed--when the economy was booming.


So she's effectively stealing, and I'm supposed to give her *more* money?

I don't get tips and I pay tax on every cent I make. Where's my parade?
 
2013-02-12 07:02:14 PM  
ecx.images-amazon.com
Worth a read.  Very, very funny.
 
2013-02-12 07:03:37 PM  

fireclown: Before this goes all crazy, has anyone experimented with a restaurant where servers are just paid a decent wage to start with so that tipping wasn't necessary?


I think that's called Europe.
 
2013-02-12 07:05:01 PM  
Oh no. It's the entitled snowflake arts graduate thread again.

Look, sweetcheeks, you're doing low skill manual labour and you can be replaced in, oh, twenty seconds at the outside. If you didn't want to be in that situation you should have worked harder at school or chosen more wisely at university.
 
2013-02-12 07:05:10 PM  

Galileo's Daughter: [ecx.images-amazon.com image 300x300]
Worth a read.  Very, very funny.


I used to love reading that site when he updated it with his stories (before putting them in a book).. He didn't rant a whole lot about tipping though, just demanding diners. It almost always brought a smile or a chuckle from me. :)
 
2013-02-12 07:06:45 PM  

Corn_Fed: Okay, serious tipping question here:

Assuming the service is essentially fine each time, should I tip at Starbucks each time I order my usual latte? I typically get one every other day or so.

I notice that most people don't put anything in the tip jar. Are they being labelled as stiffs by the staff? Or is tipping just generally less expected at coffee shops than at restaurants?


I think it's less expected at places where you don't get table service, but appreciated just the same. I might drop my change in the tip jar at a coffee place if I feel like it, but don't go out of my way to tip a percentage of my order. Same thing when I order take-out from a place that does offer table service.
 
2013-02-12 07:09:20 PM  

Mr. Right: Seems the young man had seen me come in and asked that I be seated in his section - he wanted to make sure I was well taken care of.


You handled it very well.

Feedback: A++++++++++++ would read stories from this Farker again!
 
2013-02-12 07:09:59 PM  
Good LORD, "just get another job." REALLY?? Yeah, I forgot how we're still in the golden age of kicking down the door to any random establishment, slapping your resume down, and walking out employed.

And hey, you're to cheap for a couple of extra bucks for a job well done? Fine, but DON'T pretend like manual labor doesn't pay RIDICULOUSLY better than the service industry.

/never worked restaurant
//worked retail
///wanna talk about thankless work?
 
2013-02-12 07:17:54 PM  

thismomentinblackhistory: toomuchmarisa: [www.raucousrecords.com image 240x240]

I worked in the service industry for years. Stories like this are just preaching to the choir - you're not going to convince anyone that specifically avoids tipping.

My advice to people who don't tip: Yes, you're completely within your legal rights to do so. However, do not EVER go back to the same place again. I guarantee that there will be something in your food or drink that you won't like... and you probably won't be aware of it at all.

/our bartender used to dip his manky, sweaty balls into cheap peoples' beer
//i actually prayed for some people not to tip me
///wouldn't feel guilty then
////and he was the NICE one
//two words: rat poop

That is farking disgusting and you should be ashamed.


Yes, it is disgusting. That's the whole point.

/not ashamed at all
 
2013-02-12 07:18:33 PM  

Empty Matchbook: Fine, but DON'T pretend like manual labor doesn't pay RIDICULOUSLY better than the service industry.


And yet, oddly, I see "construction workers wanted" signs all over. No "waiters wanted" signs....my guess is that people would rather receive less money for waiting tables than more money for working construction, even though, as you have astutely pointed out, construction pays a lot better. Then, somehow, I'm supposed to want to give them extra money for making the easy choice? Taking the coward's way out? No, thank you. Not me, sir.
 
2013-02-12 07:20:03 PM  

toomuchmarisa: Yes, it is disgusting. That's the whole point.

/not ashamed at all


You're not ashamed of attempted murder, but I'm supposed to be ashamed for not caving in to your attempted extortion? What kind of upside-down world do waiters inhabit?
 
2013-02-12 07:26:39 PM  
Biggest reasons I don't go out to eat:

1. Waiting to be served
2. Tipping 20%
3. Ridiculously high taxes on food service
4. 5x alcohol price jack-up
5. Pushy waiters
6. Poor beer selection
7. Sports on TV
8. Mediocre food with portions that are too big
9. Unknown crappy ingredients
10. Listening to loud people at the table next door

But mostly the tipping and waiting. Give me a good food court any day over a sit down restaurant
 
2013-02-12 07:27:08 PM  

WhyKnot: it would suck to be a port-o-potty cleaner as well...jeez.

Servers, get over yourself all ready; if you don't like your job, get a different one.


Exactly.  Geez, my job sucks too but it's what I do.  If you don't make enough cash or don't like your job, quit your farking whinging and go work in some other industry.

/no tipping in Japan last time I was there.
 
2013-02-12 07:33:36 PM  

fireclown: Before this goes all crazy, has anyone experimented with a restaurant where servers are just paid a decent wage to start with so that tipping wasn't necessary?


Yes, Wegman's restaurant The Food Bar.  No tipping.  Service is always spot on.
 
2013-02-12 07:36:10 PM  
I was a server, I know it can suck, but if you're so smart and hard working why are you in the service industry?  Work your way up through college and grad school, get a real job somewhere, work your way up through that and live a better life.  What's that? You got a degree in English and no one wants to hire you at a real job?  I thought you were smart, why would you do that if you're such a genius?

Also, these people complain about getting stiffed on 20 dollar tips.  Yes I know that sucks, but I think a lot of these people have absolutely no clue about what real financial pain is.  Talk to the guy who spent decades working his ass off to pay off the mortgage to the house which he is going to sell so he can finally retire...only to watch the housing market implode and realize he just lost 300,000 dollars and will never be retiring.  Ask the salesman who loses a 10k commission he has spent months working for through no fault of his own how he feels about your crappy tips.  Ask the guy who poured his life savings into a new business only to see it go under, he has to declare bankruptcy and has no idea how he's going to support his kids.  Ask these people about what real financial pain is because you don't really know yet.  You are basically in the junior pee wee league of personal finance.
 
2013-02-12 07:40:25 PM  
Wow, sure are lots of angry scullery maids/men on Fark.

Get a job that pays, or take a risk and start your own business.

Last time I didn't leave a tip? The dolt had a Obama button on.

I made sure she knew that that was just the icing, she forgot to put our order in promptly. Forgot to bring drinks. Forgot to check on our order, it got cold, was sent back (third time in my life, I sent food back, and I eat out atleast 4 nights a week).

I didn't forget to leave a tip, I also didn't pay the tab, I also complained to the teen aged "Manager".

/if i'm paying for it, i expect it to be decent
 
2013-02-12 07:43:56 PM  
I NEVER TIP,,,,if they don't like it they can get a better job. I actually had a girl follow me out the building one time begging for a tip. Sad.....
 
2013-02-12 07:44:07 PM  
never worked as a waiter, but...

tips are not what they make in addition to their normal wage. tips is what they earn; their paycheck is diminished by the taxes they pay. if you can't afford to leave 20%, you shouldn't be eating out. and you should leave at least 15% unless the service was really catastrophically atrocious, like the kind for which you'd need to talk to the manager about.

as for why do people work in such jobs? not sure why anyone would stay too long in them; the main advantage i see is the mobility--you can easily change jobs if you want to. but that's not really the business of the customer to decide that they're not going to pay someone. i personally find the business of being a funeral director kind of strange. does it mean that i can opt out of paying for my father's funeral (knocks wood) when that day comes? i may not approve of the iraq war, and certainly some soldiers signed up specifically just to fight in it---can i have their pay and benefits withheld because i feel that i'm doing something more noble?

people are a bunch of farksticks, and while i think going away from the tipping model is desirable, if you don't approve of the model, then find restaurants which pay the waiters well enough that they don't have tipping, or cook your own food. refusing to pay the waiters for their work is a pretty bad thing to do, and you should feel bad.
 
2013-02-12 07:44:59 PM  
Came to see all the people telling the waitress to "get another job".

Left satisfied before I got ten posts in.

I encourage anyone to go try it before telling anyone in this economy to do it.
 
2013-02-12 07:45:20 PM  

Southern100: If there was a problem waiter, you would have known about it already).


You sound like a douche.
 
2013-02-12 07:46:13 PM  

weltallica: [www.listofimages.com image 850x531]

"Tip your AMERICAN server..."

Fixed that for you, subby.  Every other server on the planet get paid an hourly wage for it.



you need to get out more....

http://pocketcultures.com/2011/03/16/tipping-etiquette-around-the-wo rl d/
 
2013-02-12 07:49:53 PM  
What a whiny biatch.
 
2013-02-12 07:51:17 PM  

I agree with you: I NEVER TIP,,,,if they don't like it they can get a better job. I actually had a girl follow me out the building one time begging for a tip. Sad.....


You sound poor.
 
2013-02-12 07:55:14 PM  
When did the standard tip increase from 15 to 20 % and more importantly why?

/Outlaw tipping and charge more for the meal.
 
2013-02-12 07:57:54 PM  

I agree with you: I NEVER TIP,,,,if they don't like it they can get a better job. I actually had a girl follow me out the building one time begging for a tip. Sad.....


It's the societal norm to tip in restaurants.  Why go if you can't afford to tip or are "morally" against the practice?  If you do so, then why be surprised when you are considered a douche?  Are young, possibly under skilled, and/or itinerant servers the only people to whom you can feel superior and you relish that feeling?
 
2013-02-12 08:00:03 PM  

proteus_b: if you don't approve of the model, then find restaurants which pay the waiters well enough that they don't have tipping


Yes, many Farkers patronize fast food establishments.
 
2013-02-12 08:00:34 PM  

I agree with you: I NEVER TIP,,,,if they don't like it they can get a better job. I actually had a girl follow me out the building one time begging for a tip. Sad.....


I can't believe someone with such impeccable grammar would have such a closed mind.

/four superfluous commas?
//FOUR??
 
2013-02-12 08:01:48 PM  

spickus: When did the standard tip increase from 15 to 20 % and more importantly why?

/Outlaw tipping and charge more for the meal.


I'm old enough to remember when the standard was 10%. Then 12%, then 15. Now they want 20. If they hold to the previous pattern, the next jump will be to 30 or more.
 
2013-02-12 08:02:28 PM  

fastfxr: GET A DIFFERENT JOB, YOU WHINY WANKER.


The economy's in the crapper and it's all B. Hussein Osama's fault.
 
2013-02-12 08:06:25 PM  

untaken_name: spickus: When did the standard tip increase from 15 to 20 % and more importantly why?

/Outlaw tipping and charge more for the meal.

I'm old enough to remember when the standard was 10%. Then 12%, then 15. Now they want 20. If they hold to the previous pattern, the next jump will be to 30 or more.


I'm at around 16-17, 20 if it's really good. Fark if I'm going to 30.
 
2013-02-12 08:09:41 PM  

megarian: OgreMagi: megarian: OgreMagi: megarian: OgreMagi: megarian: Tip.

Just the tip.  To see how it feels.

Exaaaaaaactly.

I'm curious.  Are there guys who actually try this line on women?  And are there women who fall for it?

/addresses of the women would be useful
//for research purposes

I've been a bartender for a life time. No one has actually fallen for it. The ones that "have fallen for it" = hotdog + hallway.

Please see MySpace for details.

MySpace still exists?

You have to be * really* desperate. There's a logarithmic equation.


Well, I haven't had a date in over a month.  I might qualify.
 
2013-02-12 08:11:26 PM  

kidgenius: untaken_name: spickus: When did the standard tip increase from 15 to 20 % and more importantly why?

/Outlaw tipping and charge more for the meal.

I'm old enough to remember when the standard was 10%. Then 12%, then 15. Now they want 20. If they hold to the previous pattern, the next jump will be to 30 or more.

I'm at around 16-17, 20 if it's really good. Fark if I'm going to 30.


I figure it at 15% If it's an inexpensive meal and the service was good I give more.
 
2013-02-12 08:15:47 PM  
So---he be dead?
 
2013-02-12 08:17:21 PM  

untaken_name: toomuchmarisa: Yes, it is disgusting. That's the whole point.

/not ashamed at all

You're not ashamed of attempted murder, but I'm supposed to be ashamed for not caving in to your attempted extortion? What kind of upside-down world do waiters inhabit?


No, you're not supposed to be ashamed of framing your interactions with a waiter as "extortion". You're supposed to enjoy your ballsack-beer, while we laugh at you. Or, as I suggested, just don't come back.

/not rocket science
 
2013-02-12 08:17:48 PM  
I tip, but only if the service is good or above average.
What these crybabies should be doing, is evaluating their life, finding out why being a waiter/waitress
is the only job they can find & hold down.  Are their jobs in other towns that you could move to?
Did you waste your time & money getting inked & pierced?  Did you "party" when you should have
been studying in high school?  Did you drop out of school?  Did you get pregnant as a teen?
Maybe, instead of complaining about only making 2 bucks or more & hour, and complaining that
people, who worked hard, didn't party 24/7 or did other dopey things when they were young, and
made something out of their life, aren't tipping enough, you should buckle down and work at finding
a job that offers more than a few bucks an hour.
And no, I wasn't born with a silver spoon in my mouth.  I had loving parents that were strict on me,
made me study when others were out having a good time, I worked like a dog as a teenager,
got a degree in a field I love, and have been gainfully employed for over 32 years.
Not everything is given to you in life.  You have to EARN it.  I struggled when I was young, and
I have NO respect or sympathy for those that complain about their lot in life.  If you don't like it,
CHANGE IT!
 
2013-02-12 08:17:51 PM  

skankboy: Southern100: If there was a problem waiter, you would have known about it already).

You sound like a douche.


Why, because I let the waiter know that the $30 steak I ordered Medium Rare was delivered Well Done? Or that the baked potato that I ordered with no salt was rolled in sea salt?  I have absolutely no problem with that at all, as I'm not shy.  If I'm going out to dinner, I want my food the way I ordered it, at least to SOME extent. Therefore, if I haven't informed the server that there's a problem with my order, then they can be reasonably assured that everything is satisfactory.

I'm not going to complain about little things like not enough salad dressing, or an empty drink glass (I'm sure they'll get around to filling it eventually), or too much butter on the bread, or crap like that; if it's edible, we'll eat, pay, tip & leave.  To me, though, a well done steak isn't edible. Undercook it a little, that's fine - but if it's cooked to the point it's dry as a bone, you can be damn sure I'll have them bring me another one.

If you're just going to eat what they bring you, why even bother ordering it a certain way?
 
2013-02-12 08:19:39 PM  

untaken_name: spickus: When did the standard tip increase from 15 to 20 % and more importantly why?

/Outlaw tipping and charge more for the meal.

I'm old enough to remember when the standard was 10%. Then 12%, then 15. Now they want 20. If they hold to the previous pattern, the next jump will be to 30 or more.


It already is.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/20/tipping-15-percent-25-30_n_ 19 00559.html

Almost 1/3rd of diners already tip between 25-30%.

So expect in the next few years for servers to complain that you're not leaving a 30% tip.
 
2013-02-12 08:20:06 PM  
The best tip I can give them is to Unionize so you can get paid more than sweatshop workers in Thailiand. Another tip is to stop expecting people to supplement your poor life choices. You chose the job. Don't expect something for nothing. It's obnoxious. Yeah, I know it's hard work. I don't doubt that. I'm sure you put up with all sorts of failures of humanity. It's probably worse than a dozen Wal Marts. Still, stop being a whiney little biatch expecting everything to be handed to you. It isn't our fault you made poor life choices, lay down and accept being paid unacceptable wages, and have to deal with undesirables. How about another tip: Make a positive change in your life.

It could be worse. You could live in Japan where it is an insult to tip, because good service is included in the price. They also pay their workers decent pay. Maybe if American restaurant owners would stop being money hungry and insidious the business would be a better place to work.
 
2013-02-12 08:22:07 PM  

fireclown: Before this goes all crazy, has anyone experimented with a restaurant where servers are just paid a decent wage to start with so that tipping wasn't necessary?


The west coast. They make $9+/hr + tips.
 
2013-02-12 08:22:25 PM  

toomuchmarisa: untaken_name: toomuchmarisa: Yes, it is disgusting. That's the whole point.

/not ashamed at all

You're not ashamed of attempted murder, but I'm supposed to be ashamed for not caving in to your attempted extortion? What kind of upside-down world do waiters inhabit?

No, you're not supposed to be ashamed of framing your interactions with a waiter as "extortion". You're supposed to enjoy your ballsack-beer, while we laugh at you. Or, as I suggested, just don't come back.

/not rocket science


The extortion, genius, is that if I don't pay you money, you will adulterate my food, genius. That is pretty much the textbook definition of extortion, genius. Gee, I wonder why you're a waiter?
 
2013-02-12 08:22:38 PM  

Publikwerks: I tip well. I see it as a karma thing, and even if the waiter/waitress sucks, I tip 15%

That said, I don't think the point is not tipping. The thing is the BS of making a point of not tipping. Don't tip your server? Fine, that is an option. But then don't rub it in or use it as an opportunity to make a point. Like the tract BS. Your not going to convert anyone with your phony tip bs.

If I was a waiter, I would write down info like credit cards #s and whatnot. Give me a religious track, I post your CC info on irc.


I generally tip 20%+, especially in a group because there's always at least one asshat in your group that can't figure out basic math and shorts his share of the split.  When it's just me, or me and my lady, I tip well unless the experience was truly awful. I mean spilled-shiat-on-me, gave me a dish with something that I'm allergic to in it after I specified to have it without (yes, i know it's the kitchen's fault mostly, but the server is responsible for verifying special orders with the kitchen supervisor before the plate goes out), flat out giving me something other than what i ordered, etc. Major fark-ups.  As long as my beverage and my water glasses don't run dry at the same time, and the food comes out in decent time (subject to busy-ness of the venue), I leave a good tip.  Hell, i've tipped 50% when the server was really great, and went out of their way to make the experience special. I usually stick around in the foyer or entryway to sneak a look at the server as he/she finds that 50% tip. You can see how much they really appreciate it.

What I don't get is North Americans who just don't "agree with it". Tipping, that is. The whole sense of entitlement that even though everybody else knows it's customary to tip, they aren't gonna do it out of "principle", yet they somehow feel they deserve to dine out anyway. FARK YOU GUYS. If you're not going to tip, STAY THE FARK HOME AND EAT FROZEN PIZZA AND CRAPPY "OLDE EL PASO" tacos. Those of us who DO appreciate the hard work of our servers didn't want you near us anyway.

The fiancee and I don't go out to dinner a whole lot these days, saving for the wedding and doing some minor reno on the condo we just bought, so we treat our nights out as special occasions, and the full-service dining experience is a part of that.  Including tipping a thoughtful and friendly server.

TL:DR Version: TIP, YA CHEAP BASTAGES!
 
2013-02-12 08:27:47 PM  

Southern100: If you're just going to eat what they bring you, why even bother ordering it a certain way?


You're not a douche.
 
2013-02-12 08:33:12 PM  
I think I'll start doubling my tips.

I've had some crappy servers in my time, but not enough to take it out on the others. The whole episode reminded me kind of that old TV series 'Alice' -- a program very loosely based on Alice's restaurant.

I couldn't be a server. I thought about it a couple of times over the years, but don't have the temperament for it. I'd be fired for trying to shove Iced-Tea glasses up patrons arses, especially those with uncontrolled little kids.

I knew a woman who worked as a barmaid from time to time and wasn't real sure how she tolerated it. Then I knew a guy who really got into it, working his way up from bus-boy to wine steward. He said he loved a challenge and showed me the right way to pour wine so no drops uncouthly formed on the rim of the bottle. Later, he got a degree in psychology and joined the military. (Pre-9/11)

I like to leave at least 20%. Thanks to the electronic technology of these days, I forget to carry cash and I prefer to leave cash. (Easier for the waitress to pocket and not have to split it with everyone else.) When I have to leave an electronic tip, it's 25 to 30%.

When I was young and stupid, I thought it hilarious to leave the tip in coin, under an overturned glass full of water. (I usually didn't go back to those places for quite awhile afterwards.)

No. There's no way I could be a server, especially today with my general disdain for 3/4 of the human race. Plus, people who can't control their screaming crotch rockets, IMO, at a public eatery need to be forcibly sterilized. Novocain should not be used.

There were several times, in my youth, when a polite, quick acting professional waitress took the sting out of me spilling my drink all over the place when dining with friends. (That awkward stage, you know.)

They got tipped very well.
 
2013-02-12 08:34:27 PM  

rooftop235: OK. I am a heavy tipper and the servers love me. I am easy, have my mind made up quickly, and rarely ask for advice on choices. 
But seriously, I worked my way up from being homeless and in construction for $4.25/hr to where I am now. I still tip well and will always do so.
If you are unhappy in your job GO DO SOMETHING ELSE! EDUCATION IS EVERYWHERE!


My epiphany came upon a cold January morn, whilst I tried to slumber in a frozen sugar beet field.

Work is hard, but deciding that you will do one thing a day to better yourself is so freaking easy. And people tend to notice those that are trying to better themselves.

Stimpy's new tooth: 2KanZam: Working in the restaurant business is really tough and can be a whole lotta work.


....and if you don't like it then get a farking education or skill and make a living by doing something you won't biatch about.  I did...as did most I know

/Don't complain about something that you can change

OK, just to give you guys a different perspective:

I'm a single mother.  I work for a university as a business manager.  I have a master's degree and fifteen years' experience in my field.  I also bar tend part time on the weekends in a 'gentleman's club' because I am my sole source of income--no support or help from the ex at all (married for 8 years).  So, I could live in a snake pit and not provide a reasonably comfortable existence for myself and my daughter, or I could use what hotness I have left to make a little scratch on the side to live well.

So to all of you narrow-minded, tunnel-visioned Mr. Magoo's who can't see past their own experiences, people like me often work in service jobs because they need a SECOND source of income to supplement, and that job needs to have different hours than the OTHER job I have that provides my family with insurance, benefits, etc.

If you can't afford to tip, you can't afford to go out.  Stay home.

And you are supposed to tip the staff if you get take out from a restaurant.  Do you know that the servers have to pay taxes on a minimum of 8% of their sales?  So, if you stiff them, they still have to pay taxes on money they didn't even earn.

Thanks a lot to those of you who have the class to take care of those who take care of you!!  And to the rest of you, I hope someone puts Visine in your rum and coke.


Heyzeus Kristo, why don't you just hook? The classy broads always seem to make more.

As for the Visine, I actually have  a friend that owns a couple of eateries. His horror story is getting shutdown by the State over an allegation of food tampering.

That and having to hire all new staff because he let everyone go over this.

But you've got a MA in 16th Century Baroque Cross Stitching, so you know how it really is.
 
2013-02-12 08:36:23 PM  
You chose to be in food industry, why should I give you my money for you performing your job? I don't tip.
 
2013-02-12 08:36:25 PM  

untaken_name: toomuchmarisa: untaken_name: toomuchmarisa: Yes, it is disgusting. That's the whole point.

/not ashamed at all

You're not ashamed of attempted murder, but I'm supposed to be ashamed for not caving in to your attempted extortion? What kind of upside-down world do waiters inhabit?

No, you're not supposed to be ashamed of framing your interactions with a waiter as "extortion". You're supposed to enjoy your ballsack-beer, while we laugh at you. Or, as I suggested, just don't come back.

/not rocket science

The extortion, genius, is that if I don't pay you money, you will adulterate my food, genius. That is pretty much the textbook definition of extortion, genius. Gee, I wonder why you're a waiter?


As I said, you're free to go somewhere else, as this will only occur if you repeatedly refuse to tip for good service (obviously some people do this regardless of their quality of service, but I'm speaking only for myself here). Or, you know, just keep your cheap ass at home and eat your microwaveable pizzas.

I have no intention of claiming a moral high-ground here, not at all. It's simple cause-and-effect. I have no interest in arguing about what "should be", just in identifying what is. When a server gets below minimum wage and tips out 3-5% of their sales, if you don't tip them at least 3-5% then they actually paid to serve you (not including the lost income from the average tipper). If you honestly believe that they'll continue this cycle with you, without any repercussions, then you really should avoid eating in places with servers that work for tips.

And, as I said, I was a server - past tense, genius.
 
2013-02-12 08:37:25 PM  
The west coast (along with a couple of other states) require minimum wage plus tips:

http://www.dol.gov/whd/state/tipped.htm
 
2013-02-12 08:39:38 PM  
Will they post another job description soon so the rest of us can biatch?
 
2013-02-12 08:40:03 PM  

craig328: within the past 45 days I've gotten not one but two full time positions and am working them both.


Why are you working 60+ hours per week?
 
2013-02-12 08:41:33 PM  

drew is pedal: You chose to be in food industry, why should I give you my money for you performing your job? I don't tip.


With such a strong moral stance, I am sure you make this very clear to the server up front right?
 
2013-02-12 08:44:23 PM  

drew is pedal: You chose to be in food industry, why should I give you my money for you performing your job? I don't tip.


Good for you. I'd avoid going to the same place twice.
 
2013-02-12 08:45:09 PM  

jdbob: The west coast (along with a couple of other states) require minimum wage plus tips:

http://www.dol.gov/whd/state/tipped.htm


From your link:

A tipped employee engages in an occupation in which he or she customarily and regularly receives more than $30 per month in tips. An employer of a tipped employee is only required to pay $2.13 per hour in direct wages if that amount combined with the tips received at least equals the federal minimum wage. If the employee's tips combined with the employer's direct wages of at least $2.13 per hour do not equal the federal minimum hourly wage, the employer must make up the difference. Many states, however, require higher direct wage amounts for tipped employees.

All 50 states. Period.
 
2013-02-12 08:45:37 PM  
I work for the IRS. If you expect a tip, expect an audit.
 
2013-02-12 08:46:41 PM  

toomuchmarisa: Or, you know, just keep your cheap ass at home and eat your microwaveable pizzas.


Dingdingding. We have a winner. Like I'd ever leave here to go amongst YOU low-class jackholes.

toomuchmarisa: I have no intention of claiming a moral high-ground here, not at all.


Which is fortunate for you, since you couldn't.

toomuchmarisa: I have no interest in arguing about what "should be", just in identifying what is.


Me either. Like, what you described is extortion. Not saying what should or shouldn't be. Just what is.

toomuchmarisa: If you honestly believe that they'll continue this cycle with you, without any repercussions, then you really should avoid eating in places with servers that work for tips.


So now I'm responsible for your life choices? Interesting idea, that. I don't buy it. I don't see you stepping up to pay my horribly-thought-out mortgage (if I had one, which obviously I don't because I'm intelligent, but you should get the idea).

toomuchmarisa: And, as I said, I was a server - past tense, genius.


Hahahahah. Touchy about your loser past, eh? I don't blame you. I used to work a crappy job, too. The difference is that I did a good job and didn't fark people over, even if they didn't just hand me extra money that they didn't owe me. That's because I'm not a worthless criminal. Oh, and by the way, ringing endorsement of your former (so you say) profession, and the people who are in it.
 
2013-02-12 08:48:45 PM  

WhippingBoy: I work for the IRS. If you expect a tip, expect an audit.


Here, let me spit in that for you.

;)
 
2013-02-12 08:48:50 PM  
I'd love to see all of the wait staff across the country take a week long vacation...at the same time.  Then all of you non-tippers could biatch about how it sucks that you couldn't go out to eat or to the bar for a week.  If you don't want to tip then go to friggin' McDonald's...as a bonus they have a play area for whiny snowflakes like you.
 
2013-02-12 08:48:53 PM  
If we assume that FARKers are a representative cross-section of the US population*, working as a waitperson must suck badly.  What a bunch of cheap bastages.

*A sobering and scary assumption.
 
2013-02-12 08:49:52 PM  

al's hat: I'd love to see all of the wait staff across the country take a week long vacation...at the same time.  Then all of you non-tippers could biatch about how it sucks that you couldn't go out to eat or to the bar for a week.  If you don't want to tip then go to friggin' McDonald's...as a bonus they have a play area for whiny snowflakes like you.


I'd love to see that, too. It wouldn't affect me in the slightest and a lot of cocaine dealers would go hungry for a week. Win/win.
 
2013-02-12 08:51:35 PM  
Tipping just encourages tax evasion. I'm doing you a favor by *not* tipping.

You're welcome.
 
2013-02-12 08:52:58 PM  

ChipNASA: Subtle_Canary: hmm, the most i've EVER worked in my life was as a Staff Sgt back in 2007. we were pulling 12 hr shifts every day of the working week for over 6 months to adjust for squadron 'reorganization' (another way of saying that they decided our squadron could do with 50 guys what it used to do with 180). That worked out to a bit more than 9 bucks an hour for a job that most people needed a 4 year degree to even think about doing.

Not too shabby, the work itself wasnt strenuous. What made the job suck was dealing with other servicemember jerkoffs who didnt appreciate that we used the metric system in all our data or that we had to conform to an incredibly tight schedule and thus couldnt entertain their mickey mouse questions for 20 minutes because fark off dude, i got 6 other active duty bases, 5 airfields and 11 county agencies to deal with every 30 minutes.

OK my Turn.....

When I was an Airman (E-2) back in Okinawa in the early 1980s, we calculated with *EVERYTHING*, base pay, dorm, food medical expenses, as best as we could calculate, we got $1 an hour, every hour, 24 hours a day, (work, poop, sleep, standing in line in the chow hall, whatever) 365 days a year.
It was amusing and depressing all at the same time.

Worse than that, an old salt I used to work with said in Korea, the officers had to pay for billeting (housing) out of their paycheck, because they got paid extra for it......even if they were living in a foxhole that they dug themselves. PRICLESS.

/no my life really wasn't in danger but it's still the military.


But your mess hall had beer on tap, and make your own pizzas.

Used to love driving the newbie Officers to and from Kadena.

I really don't know why the Airmen wouldn't come to Camp Hansen, our mess halls really did sling some good food.

1984, E-3, $778 base, $110 housing (if accompanied), $13 uniform allowance, 12 to 16 hour days. Good times, good times.

/but i gots to blow things up, so it evened out.
 
2013-02-12 08:55:07 PM  

untaken_name: toomuchmarisa: And, as I said, I was a server - past tense, genius.

So now I'm responsible for your life choices?


Hmmm, perhaps this IS rocket science for someone like you. Sorry bout that.

Hahahahah. Touchy about your loser past, eh? I don't blame you. I used to work a crappy job, too. The difference is that I did a good job and didn't fark people over, even if they didn't just hand me extra money that they didn't owe me. That's because I'm not a worthless criminal. Oh, and by the way, ringing endorsement of your former (so you say) profession, and the people who are in it.

LOL. Actually I loved that job, it was a tonne of fun. Also, just an FYI, I regularly made more in just three nights than most people made in a week - precisely because I was good at it.

/enjoy your ballsack-beer!
//i tried
 
2013-02-12 08:57:23 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-02-12 08:59:20 PM  
Waah feel bad for me because I spent high school getting high and drinking instead of acquiring skills.
 
2013-02-12 09:04:16 PM  

spickus: From your link:

A tipped employee engages in an occupation in which he or she customarily and regularly receives more than $30 per month in tips. An employer of a tipped employee is only required to pay $2.13 per hour in direct wages if that amount combined with the tips received at least equals the federal minimum wage. If the employee's tips combined with the employer's direct wages of at least $2.13 per hour do not equal the federal minimum hourly wage, the employer must make up the difference. Many states, however, require higher direct wage amounts for tipped employees.

All 50 states. Period.


You know, a ton of people have said that in this thread, but you know they're people who never waited tables in their lives.  A sad reality of the serving world is that, that may be the law, but a lot of shiatty places will punish servers who try to make use of it.

You have a shiatty week, your tips come out to less than minimum wage, you tell your manager, he's then forced to dig into the restaurant's pockets to pay you.  Well, that won't fly!  You must be a shiatty waiter if your tips weren't good! So you're either fired and replaced with someone who won't complain about a lean week (thank god for at-will states!), or you're stuck with bad sections, two shifts a week, scheduled during slow times...  Being punished for daring to claim your full pay is a thing.

Not all places are assholes like this, and if you're working for one that is, you should obviously find a better job, but it's a shiat job market out there right now for students and people without medical, computing, or engineering degrees, and that's can be hard.  So a lot of servers will just STFU, eat ramen, and hope next week goes better.
 
2013-02-12 09:06:51 PM  

thismomentinblackhistory: God damn tipping thread. I love working for a small business, one of the busiest bars in town.

If you don't tip, we usually start slow -- we'll make a comment or stop opening your beer. Three strikes and we either cut you off or kick you out, because we reserve the right to refuse service for any reason. Not tipping? You're a dick. And you can leave.


/CSB Back when I did Serious Drinkin', I always used to tip big on the first round, 25-35% ($10 or $20 if i was buying drinks for the table) and then 20% every round after that. The first tip was to let the bartender know I was there for Serious Drinkin' and to keep the booze a'flowin'.  I rarely had to wait for my glass to be empty before the next one was in front of me. Tipping big up front also tends to get the bartender to keep an eye on ya, to make sure you're all right. Once or twice, a bartender stopped me from falling off my stool, or stumbling off to the washroom without my wallet.  On those occasions, I would finish my drink, slap down a final good tip, and stagger my way out to the curb to projectile vomit and hail a cab.

/CSB over

I don't do no Serious Drinkin' no more. A few too many nights where I couldn't remember how I got home.... plus all the money I was wasting on booze and smokes, I could then spend on nerd gadgets and collectibles. Now that I'm getting married, I don't get to do that any more, either.
 
2013-02-12 09:12:41 PM  

DemonEater: spickus: From your link:

A tipped employee engages in an occupation in which he or she customarily and regularly receives more than $30 per month in tips. An employer of a tipped employee is only required to pay $2.13 per hour in direct wages if that amount combined with the tips received at least equals the federal minimum wage. If the employee's tips combined with the employer's direct wages of at least $2.13 per hour do not equal the federal minimum hourly wage, the employer must make up the difference. Many states, however, require higher direct wage amounts for tipped employees.

All 50 states. Period.

You know, a ton of people have said that in this thread, but you know they're people who never waited tables in their lives.  A sad reality of the serving world is that, that may be the law, but a lot of shiatty places will punish servers who try to make use of it.

You have a shiatty week, your tips come out to less than minimum wage, you tell your manager, he's then forced to dig into the restaurant's pockets to pay you.  Well, that won't fly!  You must be a shiatty waiter if your tips weren't good! So you're either fired and replaced with someone who won't complain about a lean week (thank god for at-will states!), or you're stuck with bad sections, two shifts a week, scheduled during slow times...  Being punished for daring to claim your full pay is a thing.

Not all places are assholes like this, and if you're working for one that is, you should obviously find a better job, but it's a shiat job market out there right now for students and people without medical, computing, or engineering degrees, and that's can be hard.  So a lot of servers will just STFU, eat ramen, and hope next week goes better.


That IS the law.

I understand your point but two things come to mind. If your wages come out to less than minimum wage, the job isn't worth driving to and if you're fool enough to allow someone to pay you less than minimum wage, you deserve it. Be sure to tell your local labor board that you were fired for demanding minimum wage.
 
2013-02-12 09:14:21 PM  
After the fifteenth moan-piece from a waiter posted on Fark in two years, I think I will just stop going to restaurants if it is going to inconvenience them that much.
 
2013-02-12 09:14:31 PM  

WhyKnot: it would suck to be a port-o-potty cleaner as well...jeez.

Servers, get over yourself all ready; if you don't like your job, get a different one.


I bet port-o-let cleaners make a decent hourly wage, though.

Right now, minimum wage for a tipped employee is $4.77 / hour here in Florida.

I did my time as a waitress and though I was fortunate to work in decent places
and with staff who didn't try to screw me, it was still a big farking hustle every day
to make up the difference in tips so that at the end of the week I earned a wage
that I could live off of.

You said that they should quit if they don't like the job. The *job* of a server is
ok - sometimes its even fun in the right environment. It's the asshat customers
who think that it's ok not to tip the server because HEY the next guy will make it
up for them, the douchenozzle customers who think it's funny to leave a tip all
in change at the bottom of a coffee cup that still has coffee in it - they are what
make the job so difficult.
 
2013-02-12 09:21:07 PM  
Here's my CSB:

I'm a starving college student and it's my first wait job. A family with small kids comes in. They order big pizzas and drinks so it's a big order. I'm in the middle of BFE so large orders are not the norm. True, the kids spill their drinks so I have to cheerfully bus and reset the table and they leave a ring of trash around the trash covered table but when they leave I am so excited to finally be getting a nice, big, juicy tip. The restaurant is empty so I rip through the crumpled napkins and there is NO TIP!!! Those bastards.

Soon thereafter I start studying who tips and who doesn't. Families and church people...you go over into that other section where the new server is. Rich ladies at lunch who don't seem to have ever worked...oh hell no. I'm not even going to bother. It's my job. If necessary I'll give you some service with a very, very small s. It's a job and I'm a pro. Regulars who always tip? Anyone who looks blue collar or like an ex-server? Bikers? Hell yes, you sit right down and get some great service. Your order goes in first. Your drinks come out first. I'm waiting for your food and delivering it first.

Well, unless you're a dick. Giving a tip doesn't let you be a dick.

End CSB.
 
2013-02-12 09:25:20 PM  
If you depend on tips, you need to get a real job. Surely you have better job skills than "loads/unloads trays - washes dishes." Listening to whiny servers is like listening to a bunch of whiny Apple fans. Get over it pussies.

Be glad you work indoors and only have to carry 20 pounds tops. And even gladder people just hand you money all day because you smile at people.

/Pussies
 
2013-02-12 09:30:22 PM  

D_Evans45: If you depend on tips, you need to get a real job. Surely you have better job skills than "loads/unloads trays - washes dishes." Listening to whiny servers is like listening to a bunch of whiny Apple fans. Get over it pussies.

Be glad you work indoors and only have to carry 20 pounds tops. And even gladder people just hand you money all day because you smile at people.

/Pussies


People who have real jobs and don't tip should bring their personal servants to wait on them at restaurants...
 
2013-02-12 09:39:47 PM  
Dedicated lurker but Sam Adams Alpine Spring pushed me over the edge...
<CSB> Best service I have ever had in a restaurant was in Paris. From a young guy who said right off the bat that  it was his first day on the job. GF and I walked around after 10 pm to find crowded places and try to get a table there. Found one and almost regretted it right away. A tiny table for two next to a big crowd of 'merikans loudly discussing how to split their check. I love French onion soup and felt that France is the right place to see how good it can get. But feeling adventurous I ordered Gratinee Lyonnaise. Out waiter saw the confusion on my face when he showed up with my order. After I confessed that I had no clue about what to do he proceeded to enthusiastically explain (in broken English) what this dish is about and what is the best way to make it taste great. And it did taste great. Afterwards he got very flustered when we tried to leave a  tip (very measly by American standards) and kept thanking us as were walking out of the door. Those damn French...
 </CSB>
 
2013-02-12 09:40:31 PM  

al's hat: People who have real jobs and don't tip should bring their personal servants to wait on them at restaurants...


No need, they have you.
 
2013-02-12 09:41:29 PM  

al's hat: D_Evans45:...

People who have real jobs and don't tip should bring their personal servants to wait on them at restaurants...


The purpose of going to a restaurant is being fed and serviced by staff. Thats what you are paid to do. I would have went to the market and then prepared the burger at my house if I had the time and energy. Instead, I go to a store where someone quickly serves it up to me without fuss.

Imagine if everyone were as pissy as you chumps. Your mechanic isn't going to fix your car to the best of his ability because your car isn't a BMW. Your construction workers warily accept your cash before they slap up a half assed building, with a shiatty attitude at that.

Why is it okay for serve staff to think like this? You are a bunch of cheap fuhks unwilling to apply yourself for real jobs, and piss and moan when people dont leave you a bunch of money after they eat. fark off lazyasses.

/I worked at a restaurant for about 3 months
//Thn I got a real job
 
2013-02-12 09:44:43 PM  

orbister: Oh no. It's the entitled snowflake arts graduate thread again.

Look, sweetcheeks, you're doing low skill manual labour and you can be replaced in, oh, twenty seconds at the outside. If you didn't want to be in that situation you should have worked harder at school or chosen more wisely at university.


Arts /Masters/. Get it right.
 
2013-02-12 09:47:12 PM  

untaken_name: Empty Matchbook: Fine, but DON'T pretend like manual labor doesn't pay RIDICULOUSLY better than the service industry.

And yet, oddly, I see "construction workers wanted" signs all over. No "waiters wanted" signs....my guess is that people would rather receive less money for waiting tables than more money for working construction, even though, as you have astutely pointed out, construction pays a lot better. Then, somehow, I'm supposed to want to give them extra money for making the easy choice? Taking the coward's way out? No, thank you. Not me, sir.


Well...since we're just going full-anecdotal, I see almost NO manual labor jobs, and all I see are "Help Wanted" signs in restaurants. And no, because ya know what their JOB is? Their JOB is to bring you food and your bill in a timely manner.

You tip them for going above and beyond, asking if you need anything else, refilling your water without being asked, remembering you and what you like from previous visits, for doing MORE than most manual laborers/desk drones/clerks. It's why you DON'T tip at McDonald's. Want to eliminate tipping? Pay the waitstaff more than minimum wage. Cause guess what? Contrary to popular belief: McDonald's, and MOST fast food chains, DO JUST THAT.
 
2013-02-12 09:50:28 PM  

spickus: al's hat: People who have real jobs and don't tip should bring their personal servants to wait on them at restaurants...

No need, they have you.


No, I'm the servant who makes sure the email gets to your inbox and your porn is available at your whim.  I get paid appropriately so I don't need tips...but I don't begrudge them to those who don't get paid appropriately.
 
2013-02-12 09:56:41 PM  

D_Evans45: al's hat: D_Evans45:...

People who have real jobs and don't tip should bring their personal servants to wait on them at restaurants...

The purpose of going to a restaurant is being fed and serviced by staff. Thats what you are paid to do. I would have went to the market and then prepared the burger at my house if I had the time and energy. Instead, I go to a store where someone quickly serves it up to me without fuss.

Imagine if everyone were as pissy as you chumps. Your mechanic isn't going to fix your car to the best of his ability because your car isn't a BMW. Your construction workers warily accept your cash before they slap up a half assed building, with a shiatty attitude at that.

Why is it okay for serve staff to think like this? You are a bunch of cheap fuhks unwilling to apply yourself for real jobs, and piss and moan when people dont leave you a bunch of money after they eat. fark off lazyasses.

/I worked at a restaurant for about 3 months
//Thn I got a real job


I'm betting you worked at a restaurant for 3 months and found that your pissy attitude got you poor tips.  If you think that the majority of wait staff are whiny and aren't working "real" jobs then please remove yourself from the equation.  I'd honestly prefer to not be seated next to an arrogant arsehole while having dinner served to me by someone who is providing me a service.