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(Slate)   "Spoiler alert: The next Pope is going to be an authoritarian old celibate picked by other mean old men for the purpose of telling the world that God has it out for gays and women. There will also be incense, to make it more convincing"   (slate.com) divider line 522
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2013-02-12 12:54:40 PM
Silly hats only, right?
 
2013-02-12 01:06:46 PM
And there's no earthly reason for anyone who isn't Catholic to give a shiat about who the next pope is.
 
2013-02-12 01:09:19 PM
Because he guides a third the world's population on social issues?  Gee, why would I care about that guy?
 
2013-02-12 01:10:54 PM
The incense is there so they can't smell the mosh pit below the window.
 
2013-02-12 01:12:40 PM
I hope they pick someone attractive to be Pope this time. The Papacy could use some sexy-factor these days. Enough with old wrinkly ancient men. I want 25 to 50 year old new hotness.
 
2013-02-12 01:17:44 PM
There is no war on women and gays. Attacking the Catholic Church is trendy.

You can be gay and be Catholic. You can use birth control and be Catholic

You can't have sex outside of marriage, gay or not. You can't use artificial birth control, but the most effective method of birth control is not artificial.

To suggest there there is some grand conspiracy against any group just marks you as a political pawn or unbalanced, or most probably both.
 
2013-02-12 01:18:24 PM

netizencain: Because he guides a third the world's population on social issues?  Gee, why would I care about that guy?


Except a large portion of the population that he guides roundly ignores him, and don't really care either way who's in charge.
 
2013-02-12 01:19:43 PM

slayer199: And there's no earthly reason for anyone who isn't Catholic to give a shiat about who the next pope is.


Not a whole LOT of reason, but a more socially liberal papacy could be seen as a good sign of overall world culture, I suppose.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-02-12 01:23:03 PM

feckingmorons: There is no war on women and gays. Attacking the Catholic Church is trendy.

You can be gay and be Catholic. You can use birth control and be Catholic

You can't have sex outside of marriage, gay or not. You can't use artificial birth control, but the most effective method of birth control is not artificial.

To suggest there there is some grand conspiracy against any group just marks you as a political pawn or unbalanced, or most probably both.


That's pretty good.  You meant to do that right?
 
2013-02-12 01:24:29 PM
feckingmorons:  You can use birth control and be Catholic


According to the Humanae Viae by the Pope, birth control is  "intrinsically evil."  And they don't allow birth control to be distributed by their third world charities.

And the pope also stated that homosexuality is also intrinsically evil.

While these statements may not prevent you from using condoms or being gay... you are deemed as a sinner by the church.  Thus, church goers will treat people the exercise birth control or people in the LGBT community as different, dirty or sinful.  Very 'Christian' of them.
 
2013-02-12 01:25:05 PM

feckingmorons: To suggest there there is some grand conspiracy against any group just marks you as a political pawn or unbalanced, or most probably both.


Um, the Catholic church is demonstrably anti-gay particularly after the death of JPII and is a world leader in gender-based discrimination (see: numbers of females in high-ranking church positions and reasons for exclusion (ProTip: reason is literally "because you have a vagina")), so try again.
 
2013-02-12 01:26:07 PM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: netizencain: Because he guides a third the world's population on social issues?  Gee, why would I care about that guy?

Except a large portion of the population that he guides roundly ignores him, and don't really care either way who's in charge.


True.  Except my mom.  She is really worried that one day the Pope will show up unannounced for a tour of her house.  This is why, when I was a kid, we had to scrub and clean the whole house every Saturday morning.  I curse the pope for my OCD on clean baseboards.
 
2013-02-12 01:28:00 PM

feckingmorons: the most effective method of birth control is not artificial.


Only because altar boys can't get pregnant
 
2013-02-12 01:30:00 PM

feckingmorons: You can't use artificial birth control, but the most effective method of birth control is not artificial.


Are you talking about abstinence? Because: Virgin Mary.

Or was that just made up?
 
2013-02-12 01:35:04 PM

BunkoSquad: feckingmorons: You can't use artificial birth control, but the most effective method of birth control is not artificial.

Are you talking about abstinence? Because: Virgin Mary.

Or was that just made up?


Well, I doubt God is going to come down to start knockin' up a bunch of virgins.
 
2013-02-12 01:35:12 PM

netizencain: According to the Humanae Viae by the Pope, birth control is  "intrinsically evil."  And they don't allow birth control to be distributed by their third world charities.And the pope also stated that homosexuality is also intrinsically evil.


Your understanding of Pope Paul's encyclical is imperfect. Please see §16 regarding infertile periods.

Catholic Charities follow Catholic teachings, they are indeed able to teach natural birth control, a very effective method of preventing pregnancy. Your post show that you think birth control is a think, rather than an action. You are most probably from a culture that requires little of its members other than to take a pill for every ailment or inconvenience in life.

Birth control need not be a pill, a device, or a surgical procedure. Millions and millions of families rely on natural methods of birth control.

Homosexuality has never been said to be intrinsically evil by any Pope. Simply being homosexual is not a sin nor is it evil. Sex outside marriage is.

You are woefully misinformed and you spread falsehoods at truth.
 
2013-02-12 01:38:04 PM

Elandriel: feckingmorons: To suggest there there is some grand conspiracy against any group just marks you as a political pawn or unbalanced, or most probably both.

Um, the Catholic church is demonstrably anti-gay particularly after the death of JPII and is a world leader in gender-based discrimination (see: numbers of females in high-ranking church positions and reasons for exclusion (ProTip: reason is literally "because you have a vagina")), so try again.


Your understanding of Catholic teaching is apparently nil. What do you mean by anti-gay? Do they kill gay people? Does Catholic scripture say that gay people should be banished, or tortured? Of course not, but since Catholic teachings about homosexual behavior don't agree with what you want to do you've decided they are anti-gay.

I doubt you're Catholic so why do you even care? I'm Catholic and I'm not anti-gay.
 
2013-02-12 01:39:33 PM

feckingmorons: Homosexuality has never been said to be intrinsically evil by any Pope. Simply being homosexual is not a sin nor is it evil. Sex outside marriage is.


Ah, the passive aggressive attack. I know it well. The ol' 'being gay is not a sin. It's only a sin if you act out on your sexual urges.'
 
2013-02-12 01:39:54 PM

feckingmorons: they are indeed able to teach natural birth control, a very effective method of preventing pregnancy.


feckingmorons: Millions and millions of families rely on natural methods of birth control.


You mentioned it twice but did not expand upon what exactly it is.
 
2013-02-12 01:41:26 PM
feckingmorons:.

Homosexuality has never been said to be intrinsically evil by any Pope.


Pope Benedict XVI :"The Archdiocese should withdraw all support from any group, which does not unequivocally accept the teaching of the Magisterium concerning the intrinsic evil of homosexual activity. "
 
2013-02-12 01:41:40 PM

exick: feckingmorons: they are indeed able to teach natural birth control, a very effective method of preventing pregnancy.

feckingmorons: Millions and millions of families rely on natural methods of birth control.

You mentioned it twice but did not expand upon what exactly it is.


Pulling out.
 
2013-02-12 01:45:51 PM

Abzzstain: feckingmorons: the most effective method of birth control is not artificial.

Only because altar boys can't get pregnant


What a vulgar and unfair comment. The majority of sexual abuse by clergy is not by Catholics, but by Protestants. I'm sure the left leaning Huffington Post will be a reliable enough source for you :

One of the most striking aspects of the Protestant clergy sex abuse pattern is that most people don't realize it is a pattern. The Catholic Church has taken a well deserved beating in the courts and in the court of public opinion as former altar boys, orphans and ordinary parishioners come forward with appalling stories of sex abuse. Yet equally egregious violations by Protestant clergy fail to generate the same level of outrage.


Certainly there have been many horrific crimes by Catholic clergy, but Pope Benedict has taken aggressive steps to eradicate the perpetrators and the midset that years ago swept their crimes under the rug. The Church immediately refers any accusations to local civil authorities as well as conducting an internal investigation. Criminals are punished both by the local civil criminal justice system and by the Church's laws. Show me where the protestant denominations have made such strides at eliminating the predatory crimes of their clergy.
 
2013-02-12 01:46:17 PM

netizencain: Pope Benedict XVI :"The Archdiocese should withdraw all support from any group, which does not unequivocally accept the teaching of the Magisterium concerning the intrinsic evil of homosexual activity. "


See, he wasn't Pope then. Just like he wasn't Pope when he helped cover up child rape. So he was fallible then, and it was okay for him to do those things, and since he didn't do those things when he wasn't wearing his Hat of Infallibility +5, he didn't do anything wrong on behalf of the church, and now that he unbound the hat, he's fallible again, so it's and oh dear I'm afraid I've gone cross-eyed.
 
2013-02-12 01:48:30 PM

feckingmorons: The majority of sexual abuse by clergy is not by Catholics, but by Protestants.


Ah, yes, that multinational, multi-billionaire, rigidly-hierarchical organization known as The Protestant Church, with its lead Captain Protestant. Exactly the same as the Catholic Church in all respects, that one.

Why not just make the excuse that it's okay because Catholic clergy doesn't engage in or cover up child rape at a rate any greater than the human population in general?
 
2013-02-12 01:49:09 PM

Cythraul: feckingmorons: Homosexuality has never been said to be intrinsically evil by any Pope. Simply being homosexual is not a sin nor is it evil. Sex outside marriage is.

Ah, the passive aggressive attack. I know it well. The ol' 'being gay is not a sin. It's only a sin if you act out on your sexual urges.'


That is the truth.

It is as much of a sin as if an unmarried heterosexual couple were to do something similar.

Thankfully the Church has the Sacrament of Reconciliation (confession) so that we might reconcile ourselves with God.
 
2013-02-12 01:51:32 PM

kronicfeld: feckingmorons: The majority of sexual abuse by clergy is not by Catholics, but by Protestants.

Ah, yes, that multinational, multi-billionaire, rigidly-hierarchical organization known as The Protestant Church, with its lead Captain Protestant. Exactly the same as the Catholic Church in all respects, that one.

Why not just make the excuse that it's okay because Catholic clergy doesn't engage in or cover up child rape at a rate any greater than the human population in general?


I never made any excuse for the criminal behavior of anyone, Catholic or not.

The article to which I linked addresses your other point perfectly.
The Catholic Church is easier to think of as a monolithic entity. That means it is easier for the press to cohere the abuse incidents into a single story and our brains to grok it. The idea of one big conspiracy appeals to us: "The Church" did it and then covered it up.
 
2013-02-12 01:53:19 PM

feckingmorons: The idea of one big conspiracy appeals to us: "The Church" did it and then covered it up.


Yup, then it appointed one of the cover-up artists CEO.
 
2013-02-12 01:53:45 PM

exick: feckingmorons: they are indeed able to teach natural birth control, a very effective method of preventing pregnancy.

feckingmorons: Millions and millions of families rely on natural methods of birth control.

You mentioned it twice but did not expand upon what exactly it is.


Natural Family planning is quite effective, the most effective method which is entirely natural is of course abstinence.

Wikipedia does a fairly good treatment of NFP.
 
2013-02-12 01:53:52 PM

feckingmorons: Thankfully the Church has the Sacrament of Reconciliation (confession) so that we might reconcile ourselves with God.


Is that the holy roller penalty booth where you confess all your icky deeds to a representative of an omnipotent being which will tell you at the end of your cathartic purging that you are to go home and ritually chant to receive forgiveness from the all powerful cloud-guy?
 
2013-02-12 01:55:04 PM

Cythraul: feckingmorons: Thankfully the Church has the Sacrament of Reconciliation (confession) so that we might reconcile ourselves with God.

Is that the holy roller penalty booth where you confess all your icky deeds to a representative of an omnipotent being which will tell you at the end of your cathartic purging that you are to go home and ritually chant to receive forgiveness from the all powerful cloud-guy?


And then you pray to the demi-gods of the Christian faith and say prayers to false idols like Mary?
 
2013-02-12 01:55:35 PM

kronicfeld: feckingmorons: The idea of one big conspiracy appeals to us: "The Church" did it and then covered it up.

Yup, then it appointed one of the cover-up artists CEO.


That is simply untrue, you can't simply make things up because you don't care for a religion.
 
2013-02-12 01:56:33 PM

Cythraul: feckingmorons: Thankfully the Church has the Sacrament of Reconciliation (confession) so that we might reconcile ourselves with God.

Is that the holy roller penalty booth where you confess all your icky deeds to a representative of an omnipotent being which will tell you at the end of your cathartic purging that you are to go home and ritually chant to receive forgiveness from the all powerful cloud-guy?


You don't have to believe it, but decent people don't make fun of other people's religious beliefs. You have absolutely no class.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-02-12 01:57:19 PM

BunkoSquad: feckingmorons: You can't use artificial birth control, but the most effective method of birth control is not artificial.

Are you talking about abstinence? Because: Virgin Mary.

Or was that just made up?


That was legitimate God-rape.
 
2013-02-12 01:58:08 PM

feckingmorons: Elandriel: feckingmorons: To suggest there there is some grand conspiracy against any group just marks you as a political pawn or unbalanced, or most probably both.

Um, the Catholic church is demonstrably anti-gay particularly after the death of JPII and is a world leader in gender-based discrimination (see: numbers of females in high-ranking church positions and reasons for exclusion (ProTip: reason is literally "because you have a vagina")), so try again.

Your understanding of Catholic teaching is apparently nil. What do you mean by anti-gay? Do they kill gay people? Does Catholic scripture say that gay people should be banished, or tortured? Of course not, but since Catholic teachings about homosexual behavior don't agree with what you want to do you've decided they are anti-gay.

I doubt you're Catholic so why do you even care? I'm Catholic and I'm not anti-gay.


They are anti-gay until they openly accept homosexuals as 100% equal members of the clergy and public.  If they even remotely suggest from a position of authority that homosexuals are even the tiniest bit not OK, they are anti-gay.

As for the birth control, I could give less of a good god damn about what their own members are told if they would quit interfering in the public good by drafting legislation, filing lawsuits et al to impose their viewpoint on the rest of us.  If Catholic-owned businesses like the Hobby Lobby would just be Catholic and not require all of their employees to adhere to their Catholic beliefs, I wouldn't mind.  As it stands though they throw giant hissy-fits to try and force everyone to do things their way because birth control is the devil, abortion is more the devil, and biatches should just keep their legs shut as it's the Mose Effective Method.
 
2013-02-12 01:58:26 PM

feckingmorons: Cythraul: feckingmorons: Thankfully the Church has the Sacrament of Reconciliation (confession) so that we might reconcile ourselves with God.

Is that the holy roller penalty booth where you confess all your icky deeds to a representative of an omnipotent being which will tell you at the end of your cathartic purging that you are to go home and ritually chant to receive forgiveness from the all powerful cloud-guy?

You don't have to believe it, but decent people don't make fun of other people's religious beliefs. You have absolutely no class.


No class?!  NO CLASS?!

HAH!

Farkers!  Let's remind this person of where he (or she) is.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-02-12 01:58:32 PM
Cythraul:

Well, I doubt God is going to come down to start knockin' up a bunch of virgins.

Isn't it a sin to doubt God?
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-02-12 02:00:16 PM
feckingmorons:

You are woefully misinformed and you spread falsehoods at truth.

Isn't that what religion is all about?
 
2013-02-12 02:00:59 PM

netizencain: Cythraul: feckingmorons: Thankfully the Church has the Sacrament of Reconciliation (confession) so that we might reconcile ourselves with God.

Is that the holy roller penalty booth where you confess all your icky deeds to a representative of an omnipotent being which will tell you at the end of your cathartic purging that you are to go home and ritually chant to receive forgiveness from the all powerful cloud-guy?

And then you pray to the demi-gods of the Christian faith and say prayers to false idols like Mary?


Your grasp of Catholic teaching is far less than I had thought. You don't understand it at all.

Hyperdulia, the respect we pay to Mary is fully explained at the link. However a more elementary explaination may be required. Latria is the adoration and respect we give to God (in God the Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit), Dulia is the respect we give to the Saints, Hyperdulia is the respect we give to Mary - think of her as 'the best Saint' if you will.
 
2013-02-12 02:03:35 PM

feckingmorons: That is simply untrue, you can't simply make things up because you don't care for a religion.


Look up Hanz Kung. Look up Ratziner's May 2001 letter.
 
2013-02-12 02:05:30 PM

Cythraul: Farkers!  Let's remind this person of where he (or she) is.


I know exactly where I am. I also know that there are any number of kind, caring, respectful people on Fark. You're simply not one of them.

You could be one of them, but you would have to change and I doubt you will.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-02-12 02:07:53 PM
feckingmorons:

You don't have to believe it, but decent people don't make fun of other people's religious beliefs. You have absolutely no class.

Well, most religious people I know love to mock other peoples religions.  Of course, they aren't decent people either.
 
2013-02-12 02:11:40 PM
Oh boy, another Catholic bashing thread...........

/how fun...
 
2013-02-12 02:11:43 PM
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2013-02-12 02:12:09 PM

Elandriel: If they even remotely suggest from a position of authority that homosexuals are even the tiniest bit not OK, they are anti-gay.


Where do they do this?

Think of Fr. Judge in NYC. He was gay and he was a priest and chaplain of the fire department. Being gay and being a Faithful Catholic are not mutually exclusive. I don't pretend that it was an easy road, but it is a road that can be traveled.

Elandriel:


As for the birth control, I could give less of a good god damn about what their own members are told if they would quit interfering in the public good by drafting legislation, filing lawsuits et al to impose their viewpoint on the rest of us.  If Catholic-owned businesses like the Hobby Lobby would just be Catholic and not require all of their employees to adhere to their Catholic beliefs, I wouldn't mind.  As it stands though they throw giant hissy-fits to try and force everyone to do things their way because birth control is the devil, abortion is more the devil, and biatches should just keep their legs shut as it's the Mose Effective Method.


Catholic businesses are being forced to violate their religious beliefs by providing birth control. They are not denying birth control to their employees, nor are they going to fire anyone who is not Catholic.

Paying for artificial birth control is not something observant Catholics can do, federal law should not force anyone to violate their religious beliefs. Think of the American Indian's use of eagle feathers for religious purposes. That is allowed under federal law even though it is against the law for you or I to possess eagle feathers. Their religion trumps federal law. It is only fair that others be accorded similar accommodations, it is guaranteed by our Constitution.
 
2013-02-12 02:14:04 PM

feckingmorons: Cythraul: Farkers!  Let's remind this person of where he (or she) is.

I know exactly where I am. I also know that there are any number of kind, caring, respectful people on Fark. You're simply not one of them.

You could be one of them, but you would have to change and I doubt you will.


I can change!  I'll be anything you want me to be, honey.  Just let me know what you're into.

/call me.
 
2013-02-12 02:14:52 PM

Elandriel: They are anti-gay until they openly accept homosexuals as 100% equal members of the clergy and public.


They support & defend homosexual pedophile clergy, isn't that good enough?
 
2013-02-12 02:17:35 PM

ShawnDoc: Elandriel: They are anti-gay until they openly accept homosexuals as 100% equal members of the clergy and public.

They support & defend homosexual pedophile clergy, isn't that good enough?


lawl
 
2013-02-12 02:20:28 PM

feckingmorons: Where do they do this?

Think of Fr. Judge in NYC. He was gay and he was a priest and chaplain of the fire department. Being gay and being a Faithful Catholic are not mutually exclusive. I don't pretend that it was an easy road, but it is a road that can be traveled.


You're absolutely right!  One guy was a priest in an extremely local parish, so the entirety of the Catholic church is absolved of their centuries of ongoing discrimination against homosexuality.

ShawnDoc: They support & defend homosexual pedophile clergy, isn't that good enough?


Oh you win this round, ShawnDoc!!
 
2013-02-12 02:21:48 PM

ShawnDoc: Elandriel: They are anti-gay until they openly accept homosexuals as 100% equal members of the clergy and public.

They support & defend homosexual pedophile clergy, isn't that good enough?


They need to go farther than that and allow homosexual pedophile altar boy marriage.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-02-12 02:24:01 PM
feckingmorons:

Certainly there have been many horrific crimes by Catholic clergy, but Pope Benedict has taken aggressive steps to eradicate the perpetrators and the midset that years ago swept their crimes under the rug. The Church immediately refers any accusations to local civil authorities as well as conducting an internal investigation. Criminals are punished both by the local civil criminal justice system and by the Church's laws. Show me where the protestant denominations have made such strides at eliminating the predatory crimes of their clergy.

That's hilarious!

Luftwaffenhelfer Ratzinger was one of the ones covering up for rapist priests.  He has had to use his "head of state" status to avoid being sued.

You bible thumper have an amazing ability to create your own imaginary reality.
 
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