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(CF News 13)   Florida lawmaker files "Sunshine Protection Act" to stay on daylight saving time forever because he gets sad when it gets dark early and he has to go back inside   (cfnews13.com) divider line 160
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2013-02-12 03:49:06 PM  

spittman: Personally, I think I am going to start voting strictly on a politician's DST policy. If you are for setting DST as the time year round, you get my vote. Once we get that resolved, I will go back to other issues. Seriously, how many people work a regular schedule anymore. My hours are 7-3:30. When I don't work at home, I have a long commute. In the winter, if I have to go to the office, I won't see my house in the daylight. It's exhausting and depressing.


Well, we should ALL conform to YOUR needs then, obviously.

Are you a millennial by the way?
 
2013-02-12 03:53:25 PM  

Stone Meadow: It's easier for 2nd and 3rd shift workers as they aren't working during normal daylight hours...duh! Go outside brfore or after work to get some light. It's only normal 1st shift workers and school children that need DST.


first shifters in florida would need to be in the door at work at like 5am for it to be dark ion their commute, it doesn't get dark like what they call dusk up north until like well never, but it doesn't get dark by florida standards until ~8pm/9pmish.  If you are working 15 hour shifts at work, you probably don't give a fark about anything other than eating dinner & going to bed,  The rest of us don't need to suffer because you want to drive in the sun a bit  during your 70+ hour weeks
 
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2013-02-12 03:54:34 PM  

Frehar: Amos Quito: It's about time.

It's about space.


Nice.
 
2013-02-12 03:56:32 PM  
It's pretty simple really; at noon the sun should be at it's highest point in the sky (unless you are standing at the poles).
If we don't do it that way, we might as well use UTC globally.
 
2013-02-12 04:05:13 PM  

Kyosuke: Here are your choices, folks:

No daylight saving(s) time: Sun comes up at a god-awful early hour in the summer, goes down before your are ready.

Permanent daylight saving(s) time: Winter sun comes up late, so you get to drive to work in the dark while your children stand around at a dark cold bus stop.

It makes sense if you put some thought into it.

Or you can just whine about the time changes.


As someone who lives in a state that happily did NOT change their clocks twice a year until recently, and had kids going to school, I can say - not an issue.  We are at the very western edge of the Eastern Time Zone, so our sunrises were always late, but who effing cares?  The kids stood in the morning twilight for the bus, but that was never a problem, and we never felt like we ran out of daylight at the end of the day.

However, the time change twice a year wrecking your internal clock BLOWS.  And, as some studies indicates (although I hesitate to use the word "show" or "prove"), the time changes make things more dangerous, as sleepy people go off driving to work.

Changing the clocks, either to standard or DST, does close to nothing advantageous.  Dump it.
 
2013-02-12 04:10:20 PM  
As I understand it, Daylight Savings Time saved resources during the war by giving factory workers and farmers an extra hour of free, convenient light in which to work without artificial light, which meant burning a lot of coal or oil. But it doesn't always work that way and certainly does work as well as it did in the 1940s.

Nowadays, what you gain by essentially changing your hours is offset by such costs as Air Conditioning in the South (and everywhere else, seeing as we are now big wusses), while the system never did work as well in the North. In Canada, for example, it means that it gets dark around 4:30 p.m. (16:30) in the Winter months, which IS TOO DAMN EARLY.  There's little or no saving and further North, where the "real" North begins, it simply doesn't save anything.

Farmers never did like the time change because their cattle don't understand clock time and have to be milked at the same "real" time, which is inconvenient enough as it is.

I don't know about remaining on daylight saving time. It wouldn't be good for Canada. Apart from the misery it causes and the costs involved, all our American TV shows would be at the wrong time. This is basically why Canada goes along with the US--our economies tend to run North-South which means it is really inconvenient and costly to be out of sync. We pay the price of stupid DST because this is worse.

There aren't many farmers left and those who are tied to the natural rhythms of nature by livestock demanding to be milked or whatever, just have to live with it because Nature is not going anywhere for now.

But I wish that they would stop this foolish fiddling with the time. Pick one clock time and stick to it. We can't make everybody happy, and some areas will prefer to join the next time zone over for practical reasons that are regional or local, but the rest of us shouldn't have to deal with this grief.

I am looking forward to being able to walk home from work without a bicycle lamp flashing on my person. I will probably be much healthier and cheerier when I can see the Sun for at least half an hour a day, some days.

This sub-Arctic city was not built on Rock 'n' Roll. It was built on coffee and doughnuts (in the US, one third less, as "donuts"--even when spelling we pay a Canadian premium, dammit).
 
2013-02-12 04:14:25 PM  

SewerSquirrels: It's pretty simple really; at noon the sun should be at it's highest point in the sky (unless you are standing at the poles).
If we don't do it that way, we might as well use UTC globally.


So you are for the elimination of time zones? 'Cause for a given day, at most one line of longitude will experience this situation per time zone.
 
2013-02-12 04:15:21 PM  

Louisiana_Sitar_Club: I enjoy the change and would prefer that we adjust our clocks by 30 minuets quarterly.


I'd like to see an estimate of economic impact.

Didn't Apple recently fark up DST on one of their iPhones?

Even if I got that wrong IT managers will ask their staff if they're prepared for the time change. And bear in mind that it's not just testing to make sure the OS time will change. You've got payroll systems that need to calculate pay and overtime properly.

We should just abolish it completely.

Just adjust to where you live. If you live closer to a pole, the sun will come up later and go down sooner in the winter.
 
2013-02-12 04:16:25 PM  
I hate DST, and I hate W's extra long DST so it messes with trying to sync up with the rest of the world and wastes money for everyone to compensate for it when working across international boundaries.

Can we just decide what timezone we're in and be done with it? I don't care if we freeze on +5 or +6 for the East coast. Just decide already!
 
2013-02-12 04:16:38 PM  

HaywoodJablonski: LesterB: HaywoodJablonski: That's why I measure time in seconds since January 1, 1970

I hope your processor has more than 32 bits.

/Or you're very old
//Like I am

How old is very old?


Old enough to be dead before 2038 I guess...
 
2013-02-12 04:17:08 PM  

Every municipality needs to keep it's own clock -- it's the libertarian thing to do.  Ayn Rand would like it.
So the 4:15 from the east hits the 5:15 from the west just because every ten miles the clock is set to something else.


Small price for freedom.
i1237.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-12 04:19:33 PM  

Amos Quito: Frehar: Amos Quito: It's about time.

It's about space.

And a three hour tour.


A three hour tour.
 
2013-02-12 04:21:10 PM  
I don't understand why people are complaining... Just open your blinds in your office and you will get a ton of sunlight.
 
2013-02-12 04:21:29 PM  

The Irresponsible Captain: Can we just decide what timezone we're in and be done with it? I don't care if we freeze on +5 or +6 for the East coast. Just decide already!


As we currently go -5 or -6 on the East Coast, a change to +5/6 would be extremely disruptive.
 
2013-02-12 04:39:54 PM  

olddinosaur: Bucking for a STUPID tag.

The sun shines the same amount of time no matter what the clock says.



You sound like a clockblocker.
 
2013-02-12 04:41:48 PM  
We should go back to local sun time where noon depends on you line of longitude. If your watch is tied to GPS it will adjust automatically to the time in your location.
 
2013-02-12 04:47:44 PM  
It's not like this hasn't been tried before (late 70s). The biggest problem is that kids going to school need flashlights at like 8:30am and it's a dark morning rush hour. It's just dangerous.
 
2013-02-12 04:50:23 PM  

Rich Cream: It's not like this hasn't been tried before (late 70s)


*this may have been only in NJ.
 
2013-02-12 04:55:30 PM  

Rich Cream: It's not like this hasn't been tried before (late 70s). The biggest problem is that kids going to school need flashlights at like 8:30am and it's a dark morning rush hour. It's just dangerous.


dark in florida is not like dark in NJ & it's so much closer to the equator that the time change is rediculous
 
2013-02-12 05:00:38 PM  

BizarreMan: The Irresponsible Captain: Can we just decide what timezone we're in and be done with it? I don't care if we freeze on +5 or +6 for the East coast. Just decide already!

As we currently go -5 or -6 on the East Coast, a change to +5/6 would be extremely disruptive.


Yup, one of them sighny things from my math learnin'.
 
2013-02-12 05:17:09 PM  
I don't get where this "extra" hour is coming from. There's still a fixed amount of daylight every day.
 
2013-02-12 05:29:31 PM  

show me: SewerSquirrels: It's pretty simple really; at noon the sun should be at it's highest point in the sky (unless you are standing at the poles).
If we don't do it that way, we might as well use UTC globally.

So you are for the elimination of time zones? 'Cause for a given day, at most one line of longitude will experience this situation per time zone.


I thought about saying "closest to the highest point in the sky per time zone", but I thought that sounded a little pedantic. DST throws it off 15 degrees which is stupid. No wonder we don't have show downs anymore; "high noon" doesn't exist for over 6 months of the year.

I'm down with UTC, yeah you know me.
 
2013-02-12 05:49:02 PM  

SoundOfOneHandWanking: I don't get where this "extra" hour is coming from. There's still a fixed amount of daylight every day.


I tell my boss this but he still wont let me leave at 4.
 
2013-02-12 05:49:25 PM  

olddinosaur: Bucking for a STUPID tag.

The sun shines the same amount of time no matter what the clock says.


Exactly. Just get your lazy asses out of bed an hour earlier. And put your sleepy asses in bed an hour earlier.

/But, it's the  Solar System!
 
2013-02-12 06:08:03 PM  

JesseL: havocmike: while his rationale is stupid, his goal is noble.

seriously, we haven't been an agrarian society for over 100 years. enough of this clock changing horseshiat.

DST has nothing to do with farmers. Cows can't read clocks.

It's all really just an elaborate excuse to tell employers who are rigidly fixated on an 8-5 work schedule that they need to switch to 7-4.


Employers, employees, customers, students...we all just need to get it our heads that it's OK to start work at 8am all year long. Energy efficiency in the manufacturing sector? This is the US, there is no manufacturing sector, unless it's 24/7. Office energy efficiency? Lights are all on when the office is open, if the sun is up or not. School safety? Walking to school in a foggy, hazy, icy dawn is not inherently safer than walking home in the dark.
 
2013-02-12 07:10:55 PM  

kidgenius: In this day and age it really makes absolutely no sense to move between the two.  We should just stay on day light savings time and be done with it.


Yeah, seriously. Make fun fo the cranky old man all you like, but there's NO GOOD REASON for this to still be a thing.
 
2013-02-12 07:16:42 PM  

max_pooper: olddinosaur: Bucking for a STUPID tag.

The sun shines the same amount of time no matter what the clock says.

And we have a winner


yes but when you push the clock up an hour and you get off at work at 6 / its dark compared to getting off an hour earlier when its still light
 
2013-02-12 07:44:16 PM  

kidgenius: In this day and age it really makes absolutely no sense to move between the two.  We should just stay on day light savings time and be done with it.




Freaks people out. Think mini-Y2K.
 
2013-02-12 07:47:22 PM  

Millennium: Dammit; here I was all ready to criticize Subby for making light of Seasonal Affective Disorder, only to find out that this seems to actually be what's going through the lawmaker's head.


No, it actually doesn't.

The Orlando Democrat said he sponsored the bill  because he gets frustrated that it gets dark earlier during the winter.

It always gets dark earlier during the winter, even if you stay on DST. It happens, it's called "seasons." Even on DST, it's still going to be darker earlier, and there's nothing you can do to stop it.
 
2013-02-12 07:59:01 PM  

felching pen: JesseL: havocmike: while his rationale is stupid, his goal is noble.

seriously, we haven't been an agrarian society for over 100 years. enough of this clock changing horseshiat.

DST has nothing to do with farmers. Cows can't read clocks.

It's all really just an elaborate excuse to tell employers who are rigidly fixated on an 8-5 work schedule that they need to switch to 7-4.

Employers, employees, customers, students...we all just need to get it our heads that it's OK to start work at 8am all year long. Energy efficiency in the manufacturing sector? This is the US, there is no manufacturing sector, unless it's 24/7. Office energy efficiency? Lights are all on when the office is open, if the sun is up or not. School safety? Walking to school in a foggy, hazy, icy dawn is not inherently safer than walking home in the dark.


As far as electric lights go, it's an even worse argument than that.  While daylight saving time made sense in the 1930's as a way to conserve energy by discouraging the use of electric light, electric lights have become far more energy-efficient in the decades since then, and other everyday items (such as refrigerators) now dwarf the energy consumption of electric lights.

C. G. P. Grey has an excellent video on the history of daylight saving time and why it made sense then but not now.
 
2013-02-12 08:31:00 PM  
I don't care whether you choose DST or ST permanently, but as long as it's a fixed offset from UTC I'd be happier.  Too bad this isn't in California where I live.

However, I *won't* be happy about having to modify my company's products to understand the new Florida timezone.
 
2013-02-12 08:35:30 PM  

anfrind: As far as electric lights go, it's an even worse argument than that. While daylight saving time made sense in the 1930's as a way to conserve energy by discouraging the use of electric light, electric lights have become far more energy-efficient in the decades since then, and other everyday items (such as refrigerators) now dwarf the energy consumption of electric lights.


/sign

With Daylight-Saving Time, during the summer, you come home from work/school when it's still sunny outside, with your house still warm.  Without DST, you come home to a dark but cooler house.  Air conditioning simply dwarfs even the most energy-efficient incandescent light bulbs.
 
2013-02-12 08:53:49 PM  
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"I promised every floridian that you will all be rich, because we're gonna print some more money! Why didn't anybody ever think of this before?"
 
2013-02-12 08:54:05 PM  
ATTENTION PEOPLE: Daylight saving time is during the summer not the winter. Right now we are on real time.
 
2013-02-12 08:55:26 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Millennium: Dammit; here I was all ready to criticize Subby for making light of Seasonal Affective Disorder, only to find out that this seems to actually be what's going through the lawmaker's head.

No, it actually doesn't.

The Orlando Democrat said he sponsored the bill  because he gets frustrated that it gets dark earlier during the winter.

It always gets dark earlier during the winter, even if you stay on DST. It happens, it's called "seasons." Even on DST, it's still going to be darker earlier, and there's nothing you can do to stop it.


But come on, you can admit that the difference is incredibly dramatic the week before and after the time change. One week the sun is low every day in midafternoon, the next week it's full dark. Given that most people still get off in midafternoon, kids and adults alike, DST year-round (aka changing time zones) is the better solution. Shift workers are screwed no matter what the time is like, since they rarely have the same shift day-to-day anyway.

Indiana has the right idea. By geography alone, they should be in central time, but the benefits of all that extra daylight convinced them to stay on mostly eastern. I would gladly vote for more late-day sunlight over more morning sunlight any day. Louisville keeps it for the same reason.
 
2013-02-12 08:58:58 PM  

MindStalker: Florida is pretty far west and close to the Central Time Zone. They should just put the entire state in Central Zone and be done with it.


Fark that, why? That would do exactly the opposite, it'd make days end even earlier.

/Is there a name for prince edward island time zone?
 
2013-02-12 09:23:15 PM  
Growing up in FL the early sunsets were kind of annoying but when I moved up to NY and it would get dark at 4pm, sucked imo.  I used to go into the City at 3:30 in the winter and it would be dark by the time I got there.

/white northern peoples problems.
//in favor of this proposal even while back in FL
 
2013-02-12 09:34:01 PM  
give this man the HERO tag and get rid of the time change!
 
2013-02-12 09:34:30 PM  

foxyshadis: Indiana has the right idea. By geography alone, they should be in central time, but the benefits of all that extra daylight convinced them to stay on mostly eastern. I would gladly vote for more late-day sunlight over more morning sunlight any day. Louisville keeps it for the same reason.


As long as it's a fixed offset from UTC year-round, that's fine by me.
 
2013-02-12 10:57:11 PM  

topcon: It's the way it should be all the time.  It's inane we're still using this ridiculous time change system. It's much nicer (and more useful) when it stays daylight later.


A long blanket is nice, too. Do you cut a foot off one end of yours and sew it onto the other?

There's nothing magic about the name of the hour that school starts, or businesses open, or anything else. Change what you call the time, and they'll just change their schedule so.

All you're doing is changing the freaking NAME.
 
2013-02-12 10:57:20 PM  
I've had this idea before.  The only way to improve it would be never going DST in the first place.
I really hope they pull it off and other states follow.

/I just agreed with Florida
//Grumpy Indiana native
 
2013-02-12 11:22:17 PM  

Worldwalker: topcon: It's the way it should be all the time.  It's inane we're still using this ridiculous time change system. It's much nicer (and more useful) when it stays daylight later.

A long blanket is nice, too. Do you cut a foot off one end of yours and sew it onto the other?

There's nothing magic about the name of the hour that school starts, or businesses open, or anything else. Change what you call the time, and they'll just change their schedule so.

All you're doing is changing the freaking NAME.


Because every business changes their hours when DST starts and ends.
 
2013-02-12 11:51:29 PM  
I would think the guy would get sad everytime that he is reminded that he lives in Florida.
 
2013-02-13 12:43:37 AM  
Try getting up earlier you retard.  This guy puts the duh in Floriduh.
 
2013-02-13 12:45:37 AM  

KyDave: kidgenius: In this day and age it really makes absolutely no sense to move between the two.  We should just stay on day light savings time and be done with it.

Yeah - the lose-an-hour \ gain-an-hour thing just screws everything up. I've always wondered why we don't just set the clocks back 1/2 hour... and leave them the hell alone.


That's what India does.  It seems to work for them.
 
2013-02-13 12:52:38 AM  

Worldwalker: All you're doing is changing the freaking NAME.


That freaking NAME matters. It's the difference between it being dusk vs pitch black at 6 and 7 pm.

I know it's cute to say "well just get up earlier" or similar, but most of us have jobs. Jobs that do not adjust hours for the amount of sunlight at the given time of day.

I don't particularly care  what standard we end up on, but just  pick one and stop farking with the clocks!

/it guy
//DST change causes SOMETHING to fark up every single year
 
2013-02-13 12:54:35 AM  
Those of us who live in the north mock all of you.  Eskimo style.
 
2013-02-13 05:35:12 AM  
Daylight Saving time is the dumbest thing ever. You're just pretending it's an hour later than it actually is. I don't care which you go with, Standard time or Daylight, just pick one and be done with it. And why do they bother to call it Standard time anymore? It's less than half the year, there's really nothing standard about it anymore!

/end Andy Rooney style rant
 
2013-02-13 07:43:55 AM  
The Orlando Democrat said he sponsored the bill because he gets frustrated that it gets dark earlier during the winter.

Welcome to living on planet Earth. That's how the farking planet works. Less sun during the winter for people who live in the northern hemisphere.

Of course it would be a Democrat who thinks he deserves a more equal share of the planet's sunshine.
 
2013-02-13 08:51:46 AM  

foxyshadis: Worldwalker: topcon: It's the way it should be all the time.  It's inane we're still using this ridiculous time change system. It's much nicer (and more useful) when it stays daylight later.

A long blanket is nice, too. Do you cut a foot off one end of yours and sew it onto the other?

There's nothing magic about the name of the hour that school starts, or businesses open, or anything else. Change what you call the time, and they'll just change their schedule so.

All you're doing is changing the freaking NAME.

Because every business changes their hours when DST starts and ends.


Not a lot, because it's temporary. But if they make it permanent, you can bet they'll start changing their hours.

Here's a question: why do you think businesses picked 9 to 5 (or some other set of hours) in the first place? Was it because there's something magical about "9"? Was it because there's something magical about "5"? Or ... maybe ... was it because that's a convenient time relevant to the hours of sun?

Again: "year-round DST" doesn't change anything except what you call the hours. They've already said in the article they'll have to change school hours ... and, in time, everything else will follow. You can call it 9 am or 10 am or Fred, it doesn't matter.
 
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