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(Big 1059)   Dept. Of Ed. Chief says they will NOT teach creationism, intelligent design in schools; story evolving   (big1059.com) divider line 45
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2013-02-12 11:47:38 AM
7 votes:
FTFA:    "Because we do not have the scientific facts to teach creation, does that mean we can't teach that God created women and men," asked Sen. Donna Campbell (R-New Braunfels).  "Are we trying to eliminate that?"

Since that's precisely what science means, then yeah.  You are eliminating that.
2013-02-12 11:54:13 AM
5 votes:
Never a better use of the 'Obvious' tag. Creationism is  NOTscience (no matter how desperately they try to package it as such). Therefore it's a no-brainer that it should NOT be taught in science classes.
If your school has an elective theology course, then sure...go nuts with the creationism in that class.
2013-02-12 11:38:25 AM
5 votes:
'Hero' tag sleeping in today?
2013-02-12 02:11:46 PM
4 votes:
To the GOP lady ftfa:

When you're at home or church, you can teach your snowflake about God, Allah, Budda, The great spirit, mother gaia, Zenu - or even the one about the FSM creating the universe with a sauce spill.

But in Science class, we teach Science.
2013-02-12 02:05:04 PM
4 votes:
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2013-02-12 01:17:26 PM
4 votes:
I would have no problem with creationism or intelligent design being taught in schools. Hell, I'd even agree to the bible being required reading...

...in english class, where they teach all the other fantasy novels and fantastic, implausible ideas.
2013-02-12 02:39:56 PM
3 votes:
We need to get physics, chemistry, and biology into the churches.
2013-02-12 01:30:14 PM
3 votes:

eraser8: FirstNationalBastard: I would have no problem with creationism or intelligent design being taught in schools. Hell, I'd even agree to the bible being required reading...

You can't teach creationism/intelligent design while requiring students to actually read the Bible.  You have to choose one or the other.

Anyone who actually reads the Bible -- and comprehends what it says -- will realize in short order that the biblical creation story is Grade-A crap.  We can't have that.  Not in 'Murica.


Not to mention the violence, sex, cruelty, contradictions, that most of the heros like Lot are actually assholes, the incest, people as property etc.
2013-02-12 12:44:25 PM
3 votes:
"Because we do not have the scientific facts to teach creation, does that mean we can't teach that God created women and men," asked Sen. Donna Campbell (R-New Braunfels).  "Are we trying to eliminate that?"

YES WE ARE YOU STUPID FARKING coont!
2013-02-12 03:56:29 PM
2 votes:
there was a time in this nation where science and religion did not have to be mutually exclusive.  furthermore i remember a time when it was considered impolite to discuss ones faith outside of one's church and home.  However  this age of constant evangelism it is almost expects it.  One's faith, or lack there of, has to be pinned upon the chest.  What was once a topic of self reflection and private contemplation is now pubil spectacle.  All so we can be distracted from the more important things of our daily lives.

Pin a medal on that woman.  Her courage in the face of some very powerful opposition is appreciated.
2013-02-12 03:54:12 PM
2 votes:
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2013-02-12 02:59:47 PM
2 votes:
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2013-02-12 02:40:50 PM
2 votes:
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2013-02-12 01:27:16 PM
2 votes:

FirstNationalBastard: I would have no problem with creationism or intelligent design being taught in schools. Hell, I'd even agree to the bible being required reading...


You can't teach creationism/intelligent design while requiring students to actually read the Bible.  You have to choose one or the other.

Anyone who actually reads the Bible -- and comprehends what it says -- will realize in short order that the biblical creation story is Grade-A crap.  We can't have that.  Not in 'Murica.
2013-02-12 01:26:21 PM
2 votes:
The intelligent design people should have tried adjusting their argument to fit specific circumstances, and only keeping pieces of rhetoric that actually provided a positive benefit to the whole concept.
2013-02-12 01:21:03 PM
2 votes:
Good lord! Sanity from texas education?

Wonder how long this'll last?
2013-02-12 01:20:22 PM
2 votes:
"Because we do not have the scientific facts to teach creation, does that mean we can't teach that God created women and men," asked Sen. Donna Campbell (R-New Braunfels).

Yes. That is EXACTLY what it means.
2013-02-12 01:20:08 PM
2 votes:
"Because we do not have the scientific facts to teach creation, does that mean we can't teach that God created women and men," asked Sen. Donna Campbell (R-New Braunfels).
That's exactly what it means, you stupid twunt. Keep your bronze age superstitions to yourself.
2013-02-12 01:18:37 PM
2 votes:
"Because we do not have the scientific facts to teach creation, does that mean we can't teach that God created women and men," asked Sen. Donna Campbell (R-New Braunfels).  "Are we trying to eliminate that?"

This is what happens when a republican tries to ask a 'gotcha' question.

Guess you stupid liberal commie atheist socialist pinko libtards didn't think your cunning plan all the way through, now did you?
2013-02-12 12:09:55 PM
2 votes:
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2013-02-12 08:05:41 PM
1 votes:

shastacola: eraser8: FirstNationalBastard: I would have no problem with creationism or intelligent design being taught in schools. Hell, I'd even agree to the bible being required reading...

You can't teach creationism/intelligent design while requiring students to actually read the Bible.  You have to choose one or the other.

Anyone who actually reads the Bible -- and comprehends what it says -- will realize in short order that the biblical creation story is Grade-A crap.  We can't have that.  Not in 'Murica.

Has the question of who Cain and Abel married ever been answered?


Their parents lived for over 900 years and had many sons and daughter (after Seth, who went on to rock).  Must have been a couple of the daughters.
2013-02-12 04:56:38 PM
1 votes:

Joe Blowme: What came first, chicken or the egg?


Assuming the question is over which came first, the chicken or the chicken egg, it's the egg.

Premise 1: Evolution exists.
Premise 2: The type of egg is determined by what comes out of it--i.e., if a lark emerges from an egg, I can safely assume it's a lark egg.
Premise 3: The species of an animal is not determined by its offspring--i.e., if a male donkey and a female horse mate and have a mule, they're still a donkey and a horse.

Conclusion: at some point in the evolution of the chicken, something that was almost-but-not-quite a chicken laid an egg that contained a chicken. Hence, the chicken egg came before the chicken.
2013-02-12 04:27:58 PM
1 votes:

Joe Blowme: But what set evolution in motion?
What came first, chicken or the egg?
How much wood could a wood chuck chuck?
What does god need with a starship?
So many questions, so much entrophy?


Sexual reproduction
The egg predates the chicken by many millions of years
1 pallet an hour
Prefers it to walking.
Questions are entropy neutral so don't worry too much.
2013-02-12 04:26:42 PM
1 votes:

FirstNationalBastard: I would have no problem with creationism or intelligent design being taught in schools. Hell, I'd even agree to the bible being required reading...

...in english class, where they teach all the other fantasy novels and fantastic, implausible ideas.


When I took Humanities my senior year of high school, we actually did study the Bible... as literature. We discussed its influence on popular culture over the ages, particularly music, art, and other literary works, and my teacher picked apart the glaring inconsistencies and poor writing. Now, she didn't do that to be mean or pick on the poor persecuted Christians, she was giving the Bible the same treatment as everything else we read. I wasn't raised Christian and I still remember stuff from that class nearly two decades later! Ms. Pendergast, wherever you are, know that you were one of the best teachers I've ever had, including college.

The other acceptable place to (objectively) teach about religion would be social studies. It's impossible to really understand current and historical events in the Middle East, for example, without having some understanding of Islam (and its various factions like the Sunnis and Shi'ites) and its relation to Judaism and Christianity. Or (using an example from when I was in high school) to really understand the conflict between Catholics and Protestants in Ireland, you need to have some knowledge of those religions. Religion is inextricably tied to history.
2013-02-12 03:39:33 PM
1 votes:

IronOcelot: Ahhhh...
I wonder if this was the reason my super fundie sister in law to post on her Facebook about how she was "crying all day because the atheists have taken God's word out of our schools".

I hope so.


Their all powerful god sure is polite, what with him obeying school rules a lot.
2013-02-12 03:35:16 PM
1 votes:
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2013-02-12 03:32:41 PM
1 votes:

Carthax: shastacola: eraser8: FirstNationalBastard: I would have no problem with creationism or intelligent design being taught in schools. Hell, I'd even agree to the bible being required reading...

You can't teach creationism/intelligent design while requiring students to actually read the Bible.  You have to choose one or the other.

Anyone who actually reads the Bible -- and comprehends what it says -- will realize in short order that the biblical creation story is Grade-A crap.  We can't have that.  Not in 'Murica.

Has the question of who Cain and Abel married ever been answered?

The Bible does not say that Adam and Eve were the first people; only that they were the first ones created to be with God through eternity.  When Cain kills Abel, God puts a mark on his head to protect him from "the other peoples of the world."  Case closed -- either God did multiple creations (my Weenersor believed this), or there were already a lot of folks in the world when God created Adam and Eve to be the beginnings of the bloodline that would eventually become the Jews.


so then fan fiction?
2013-02-12 03:23:49 PM
1 votes:

Sin_City_Superhero: They already added "God" to this:

I pledge allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands, one nation indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.


THIS^

*ahem*

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what is this? the stone ages??  are we a nation of retards? idiocracy indeed
2013-02-12 03:16:36 PM
1 votes:

Sin_City_Superhero: They already added "God" to this:

I pledge allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands, one nation indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.


While were cleaning up the crude tack-ons, lets go ahead and take indivisible out too, Yankee devil.
2013-02-12 03:13:13 PM
1 votes:

Joe boater: This is what bothers me more.

"The head of the Texas Board of Education has provided assurances to Democrats in the State Senate that only Darwin's Theory of Evolution will be taught in public school science classes in the state,". 1200 WOAI news reports.


No other theories allowed, so we all must goosestep to the observations of a twenty year old?  Sieg farkin' heil! Heck even Richard Dawkins a stout evolutionist admitted it was possible we were created by, get this, ALIENS.


Read more: http://www.big1059.com/cc-common/news/sections/newsarticle.html?feed= 1 04668&article=10806921#ixzz2KiNkhUeI


You know that funny feeling you get when you think about this stuff?  It's the physical manifestation of your compartmentalization and cognitive dissonance.  You KNOW that evolution has happened, is happening, and will continue to happen.  In hindsight, it's one of the most intuitive scientific theories out there, and if Darwin hadn't recognized it any number of other budding scientists would have.  It's also the basis for many other fields of science from which you no doubt benefit, and can and has been observed in laboratory conditions.

In short, get on board!  You'll feel better once you start being honest with yourself, trust me.
2013-02-12 03:11:53 PM
1 votes:
They already added "God" to this:

I pledge allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands, one nation indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
2013-02-12 02:58:30 PM
1 votes:

Joe boater: This is what bothers me more.

"The head of the Texas Board of Education has provided assurances to Democrats in the State Senate that only Darwin's Theory of Evolution will be taught in public school science classes in the state,". 1200 WOAI news reports.


No other theories allowed, so we all must goosestep to the observations of a twenty year old?  Sieg farkin' heil! Heck even Richard Dawkins a stout evolutionist admitted it was possible we were created by, get this, ALIENS.


Evolution is not a theory on how life was created.
2013-02-12 02:44:37 PM
1 votes:

Joe boater: This is what bothers me more.

"The head of the Texas Board of Education has provided assurances to Democrats in the State Senate that only Darwin's Theory of Evolution will be taught in public school science classes in the state,". 1200 WOAI news reports.


No other theories allowed, so we all must goosestep to the observations of a twenty year old?  Sieg farkin' heil! Heck even Richard Dawkins a stout evolutionist admitted it was possible we were created by, get this, ALIENS.


Read more: http://www.big1059.com/cc-common/news/sections/newsarticle.html?feed= 1 04668&article=10806921#ixzz2KiNkhUeI


Translation: DERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRP.

This is because it's the *ONLY* scientific explanation we have right now. If another one comes along it will be taught to the children but since its the only one with evidence right now that's the one we teach.

Great Troll or I feel sorry for you.  It's one or the other.
2013-02-12 02:42:54 PM
1 votes:
I'd be fine with using creationism as an example of what isn't scientific theory to help students better understand what the discipline entails, what it means to be testable, verifiable, etc.
2013-02-12 02:27:21 PM
1 votes:
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2013-02-12 02:23:16 PM
1 votes:

kindms: FirstNationalBastard: I would have no problem with creationism or intelligent design being taught in schools. Hell, I'd even agree to the bible being required reading...

...in english class, where they teach all the other fantasy novels and fantastic, implausible ideas.

went to HS in the late 80s (Public School) The Bible was used in my sophomore english class. If I remember correctly we were doing a comparative religious or creation myth segment. I don't recall anyone getting upset about having their beliefs challenged. It was examined as literature and not a dogmatic book etc.


Yes, but that was the 80s, before these people really started trying to force Public Schools to become Sunday Schools.
2013-02-12 02:20:35 PM
1 votes:
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2013-02-12 02:14:55 PM
1 votes:
Mega Steve:
Back when I was in high school, we spent most of our lunch periods in the library. One day, my friend Bill notices the Bible was in the mythology section.

When I was in school there was no mythology section, only fiction and nonfiction. I don't recall too many people getting their hackles raised by the bible being in the fiction section, but people were smart enough to keep religion out of politics back then.

I feel a Barry Goldwater quote coming on.
2013-02-12 02:14:30 PM
1 votes:

shastacola: eraser8: FirstNationalBastard: I would have no problem with creationism or intelligent design being taught in schools. Hell, I'd even agree to the bible being required reading...

You can't teach creationism/intelligent design while requiring students to actually read the Bible.  You have to choose one or the other.

Anyone who actually reads the Bible -- and comprehends what it says -- will realize in short order that the biblical creation story is Grade-A crap.  We can't have that.  Not in 'Murica.

Has the question of who Cain and Abel married ever been answered?

.You can make up whatever answer you like, it's all pretty much fanfic.

2013-02-12 02:10:04 PM
1 votes:

eraser8: FirstNationalBastard: I would have no problem with creationism or intelligent design being taught in schools. Hell, I'd even agree to the bible being required reading...

You can't teach creationism/intelligent design while requiring students to actually read the Bible.  You have to choose one or the other.

Anyone who actually reads the Bible -- and comprehends what it says -- will realize in short order that the biblical creation story is Grade-A crap.  We can't have that.  Not in 'Murica.


Has the question of who Cain and Abel married ever been answered?
2013-02-12 02:04:25 PM
1 votes:
  "Because we do not have the scientific facts to teach creation, does that mean we can't teach that God created women and men," asked Sen. Donna Campbell (R-New Braunfels).  "Are we trying to eliminate that?"

wat

"Since we don't have facts, can we teach bronze-age mythology in our science classes?"

How does one become so stupid?
2013-02-12 01:45:37 PM
1 votes:
I don't know what the Quran says about the creation of the universe, but we should tell the Bible-thumpers that THAT's what will be taught in schools. Heads will assplode.
2013-02-12 01:23:00 PM
1 votes:

Smoking GNU: Good lord! Sanity from texas education?

Wonder how long this'll last?


Until someone shows up at the Department of Education chief's house with a gun.

So... 25 minutes?
2013-02-12 01:22:55 PM
1 votes:

FirstNationalBastard: I would have no problem with creationism or intelligent design being taught in schools. Hell, I'd even agree to the bible being required reading...

...in english class, where they teach all the other fantasy novels and fantastic, implausible ideas.


Back when I was in high school, we spent most of our lunch periods in the library. One day, my friend Bill notices the Bible was in the mythology section.

Bill: Why did they put the Bible there?
Me: That's where it belongs.

He was not amused, but I sure as Hell was
2013-02-12 01:21:54 PM
1 votes:
Creationists will just come up with a new name for their nonsense before they start pushing it again.
 
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