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(Big 1059)   Dept. Of Ed. Chief says they will NOT teach creationism, intelligent design in schools; story evolving   (big1059.com) divider line 143
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2013-02-12 04:32:57 PM  
Geez, the Senator was just asking a question.
 
2013-02-12 04:34:59 PM  

Joe Blowme: But what set evolution in motion?
What came first, chicken or the egg?
How much wood could a wood chuck chuck?
What does god need with a starship?
So many questions, so much entrophy?


No more secrets.
 
2013-02-12 04:40:52 PM  

kindms: FirstNationalBastard: kindms: FirstNationalBastard: I would have no problem with creationism or intelligent design being taught in schools. Hell, I'd even agree to the bible being required reading...

...in english class, where they teach all the other fantasy novels and fantastic, implausible ideas.

went to HS in the late 80s (Public School) The Bible was used in my sophomore english class. If I remember correctly we were doing a comparative religious or creation myth segment. I don't recall anyone getting upset about having their beliefs challenged. It was examined as literature and not a dogmatic book etc.

Yes, but that was the 80s, before these people really started trying to force Public Schools to become Sunday Schools.

Well that isn't entirely true. There was always the folks who didn't think X,Y or Z should be taught, The fight in those days seemed to come down on the sex ed / health classes etc.

But the thing is this. Those kids in my class etc are the folks in their late 30s early 40s. The same folks who would primarily have kids going through schools now. So who is really pushing this agenda ? I supposed a bunch of kids from the late 80s early 90s could all of a sudden forget what it was like to go to public school and become god crazy.


That would be my kids (6th and 8th grade).

They don't teach anything about religion around here other than the fact that it exists.  Like, social studies where they talk about what the Myans or Ancient Egyptians believed.  And that's cool, because kids should know about that stuff.  It's real.  It's history that really happened.

One day, some friend of my son's started spouting off about stories in the bible and asked my wife and I to clear it up.  So, we told him the stories, and what many people actually believe.  He just looked at us kind of funny and said, "That is completely ridiculous."

That's my boy.
On of my son's
 
2013-02-12 04:41:40 PM  
Let me give you a little inside information about God. God likes to watch. He's a prankster. Think about it. He gives man instincts. He gives you this extraordinary gift, and then what does He do, I swear for His own amusement, his own private, cosmic gag reel, He sets the rules in opposition. It's the goof of all time. Look but don't touch. Touch, but don't taste. Taste, don't swallow. Ahaha. And while you're jumpin' from one foot to the next, what is he doing? He's laughin' His sick, farkin' ass off! He's a tight-ass! He's a SADIST! He's an absentee landlord! Worship that? NEVER!
 
2013-02-12 04:45:07 PM  
I should be in the kitchen:

The other acceptable place to (objectively) teach about religion would be social studies. It's impossible to really understand current and historical events in the Middle East, for example, without having some understanding of Islam (and its various factions like the Sunnis and Shi'ites) and its relation to Judaism and Christianity. Or (using an example from when I was in high school) to really understand the conflict between Catholics and Protestants in Ireland, you need to have some knowledge of those religions. Religion is inextricably tied to history.

and that's how my school handled it, well, except the lack of discussion of islam
 
2013-02-12 04:53:35 PM  
OK, who's the Farker whose mom ran for the state school board? I need the lowdown on this lady. Is she just lying to keep her job, or does she really not want to sneak in the wedge?
 
2013-02-12 04:54:43 PM  
So, what sort of celebration was popular in the 18th century? Whatever it was, we should all do that now. Yay.
 
2013-02-12 04:56:38 PM  

Joe Blowme: What came first, chicken or the egg?


Assuming the question is over which came first, the chicken or the chicken egg, it's the egg.

Premise 1: Evolution exists.
Premise 2: The type of egg is determined by what comes out of it--i.e., if a lark emerges from an egg, I can safely assume it's a lark egg.
Premise 3: The species of an animal is not determined by its offspring--i.e., if a male donkey and a female horse mate and have a mule, they're still a donkey and a horse.

Conclusion: at some point in the evolution of the chicken, something that was almost-but-not-quite a chicken laid an egg that contained a chicken. Hence, the chicken egg came before the chicken.
 
2013-02-12 05:01:55 PM  

loonatic112358: I should be in the kitchen:

The other acceptable place to (objectively) teach about religion would be social studies. It's impossible to really understand current and historical events in the Middle East, for example, without having some understanding of Islam (and its various factions like the Sunnis and Shi'ites) and its relation to Judaism and Christianity. Or (using an example from when I was in high school) to really understand the conflict between Catholics and Protestants in Ireland, you need to have some knowledge of those religions. Religion is inextricably tied to history.

and that's how my school handled it, well, except the lack of discussion of islam


Come to think of it, we didn't learn a whole lot about Islam in high school, but things over there were relatively quiet at the time. Today, though, I think it's essential. Of course to some people any factual discussion of non-Christian religions (or the wrong Christian denomination) is "indoctrination", and so Americans continue to be ignorant of the rest of the world. IMO, you don't have to like or respect other people's beliefs, but you do have to understand them.
 
2013-02-12 05:58:26 PM  

Karac: Here's the problem I have with people that believe in YEC, or that all different forms of life were created at the same time, and didn't evolve from common ancestors:

In order for this view to jive with clearly evident data, then you must assume that God created the entire planet 6000 years ago, and then planted evidence all over the place that would disprove that act.  He changed the decay rate of radioisotopes so that dating anything that was past 4004 BC is unreliable.  He created all the light from distant stars already en route to earth.  He planted mounds of fossils and other evidence pointing to evolution.  He did all this in order to make you question the Bible.  This view leads to only one inescapable conclusion: God is a troll, and a piss-poor one at that.


Pick another one besides Jehovah. That guy is nuts.
 
2013-02-12 06:13:26 PM  

shastacola: eraser8: FirstNationalBastard: I would have no problem with creationism or intelligent design being taught in schools. Hell, I'd even agree to the bible being required reading...

You can't teach creationism/intelligent design while requiring students to actually read the Bible.  You have to choose one or the other.

Anyone who actually reads the Bible -- and comprehends what it says -- will realize in short order that the biblical creation story is Grade-A crap.  We can't have that.  Not in 'Murica.

Has the question of who Cain and Abel married ever been answered?


Cain married a Six and Abel an Eight.
 
2013-02-12 07:09:57 PM  
I see a creationist troll has evolved. Let's see how this new schtick works.
 
2013-02-12 07:10:26 PM  

born_yesterday: Arkanaut: unyon: FTFA:    "Because we do not have the scientific facts to teach creation, does that mean we can't teach that God created women and men," asked Sen. Donna Campbell (R-New Braunfels).  "Are we trying to eliminate that?"

Since that's precisely what science means, then yeah.  You are eliminating that.

Apparently it's too much to just take your damn kids to church if you want to indoctrinate them.

Or sending them to a private school.  The Catholics have been doing it since forever, why in the hell won't these asshats?


Catholic schools don't teach creationism. Not as science anyway. They do however teach evolution in science class.
 
2013-02-12 07:12:51 PM  

kid_icarus: Never a better use of the 'Obvious' tag. Creationism is  NOTscience (no matter how desperately they try to package it as such). Therefore it's a no-brainer that it should NOT be taught in science classes.
If your school has an elective theology course, then sure...go nuts with the creationism in that class.


I think you are taking things a bit far.  In science it is often good to look at what came before to understand where you are now.  For example, in chemistry they still teach the plumb pudding model (the atom is like a bowl of positively charged pudding with negative bits floating in it), which modern science has shown to be untrue.  The same goes for early astronomers who thought the sun revolved around the earth.
 
2013-02-12 07:13:44 PM  

eraser8: FirstNationalBastard: I would have no problem with creationism or intelligent design being taught in schools. Hell, I'd even agree to the bible being required reading...

You can't teach creationism/intelligent design while requiring students to actually read the Bible.  You have to choose one or the other.

Anyone who actually reads the Bible -- and comprehends what it says -- will realize in short order that the biblical creation story is Grade-A crap.  We can't have that.  Not in 'Murica.


Not if they haint done had their minds corrupted with all that science and critical thinkin' crap in one of them thar commie schoolz.
 
2013-02-12 07:52:58 PM  

eraser8: FirstNationalBastard: I would have no problem with creationism or intelligent design being taught in schools. Hell, I'd even agree to the bible being required reading...

You can't teach creationism/intelligent design while requiring students to actually read the Bible.  You have to choose one or the other.

Anyone who actually reads the Bible -- and comprehends what it says -- will realize in short order that the biblical creation story is Grade-A crap.  We can't have that.  Not in 'Murica.


I don't know if I'd say it's crap, and there are parallels to accepted scientific theory within it.  I picked up much of my understanding of basic science in middle school, didn't begin reading the Bible until beginning my 20s.  When people defend the Bible, it often does seem as if they are picking and choosing what to take literally and what to take as metaphor or exaggeration.  That said, I always thought of the "word" in the beginning of Genesis as an emanation, such as the "Big Bang", or spontaneous expansion of the universe.  "Days" aren't mentioned until the separation of light and dark occurs, which could be the cooling of the early universe.  Then it mentions the types of life, all of which appear in the same sequence as the fossil record (or even intuition) suggests.  Where it gets interesting is right about where most churches seem themselves unable to continue taking it literally; with the introduction of genetic manipulation and its resultant horrors.  As a warning against manipulating DNA it contains more science than its most vocal proponents seem willing to embrace.  It claimed that defects (sin) were passed from the father through the blood(line) before Mendel, and understood matriarchal lineage long before mitochondria had been identified.

But I rarely hear anyone talk about any of that.
 
2013-02-12 08:05:41 PM  

shastacola: eraser8: FirstNationalBastard: I would have no problem with creationism or intelligent design being taught in schools. Hell, I'd even agree to the bible being required reading...

You can't teach creationism/intelligent design while requiring students to actually read the Bible.  You have to choose one or the other.

Anyone who actually reads the Bible -- and comprehends what it says -- will realize in short order that the biblical creation story is Grade-A crap.  We can't have that.  Not in 'Murica.

Has the question of who Cain and Abel married ever been answered?


Their parents lived for over 900 years and had many sons and daughter (after Seth, who went on to rock).  Must have been a couple of the daughters.
 
2013-02-12 08:47:27 PM  
Wait, so there's a difference between science and making stuff up?
 
2013-02-12 09:55:49 PM  

Two16: [zerobs.net image 391x527]


You're being snarky, but I'll have to point out that science built the place too...and the towers.
 
2013-02-12 09:56:24 PM  

LoneWolf343: Two16: [zerobs.net image 391x527]

You're being snarky, but I'll have to point out that science built the placeplane too...and the towers.


Goddammit so much.
 
2013-02-12 10:08:11 PM  

Dixon Cider: 'Hero' tag sleeping in today?


Isn't that setting the bar a bit low?  Do I get the Hero tag for not punching any babies today?
 
2013-02-12 10:18:56 PM  

pounddawg: Let me give you a little inside information about God. God likes to watch.


3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-02-12 10:34:49 PM  
From what I can tell, Cargill's not so much opposed to creationism as opposed to getting caught pushing it.
 
2013-02-12 11:30:10 PM  
"Christians" aren't thumping their Bibles insisting that what they believe be taught to their children, they are doing it to ensure what they believe is taught to everyone's children.

They've got a problem, their base is dying off.  Need new recruits.
 
2013-02-12 11:49:27 PM  
Everytime I see pics of Roseanne Barr or Janet Napolitano I can't help thinking:  "Intelligently designed?  More like a cross between an albino hippo and Janet Reno.
 
2013-02-12 11:49:30 PM  

HAMMERTOE: In all fairness, Christianity does belong in school, right along side all the other mythologies. Atlas, Zeus, FSM, Jesus, Iahova, all of it, in Theology class. Science is for the provable and the verifiable.


My issue is this: No theology classes in public schools (heck, calculus and physics are). I have no issues with such, but I would have loved to have a choice. I for one like hearing about the religions of the world.

As for fundies, ask this: "What is time to God? He said he created the world in 6 days, but how would he/she know? Does God have a watch... or was he dumbing it down so his "children" could understand?"

/Christian
//thinks evolution did occur
///still want them to discover the Mitochodrial Eve.
 
2013-02-13 12:10:50 AM  

IAmTheTagTeamChampions: shastacola: eraser8: FirstNationalBastard: I would have no problem with creationism or intelligent design being taught in schools. Hell, I'd even agree to the bible being required reading...

You can't teach creationism/intelligent design while requiring students to actually read the Bible.  You have to choose one or the other.

Anyone who actually reads the Bible -- and comprehends what it says -- will realize in short order that the biblical creation story is Grade-A crap.  We can't have that.  Not in 'Murica.

Has the question of who Cain and Abel married ever been answered?

Cain married a Six and Abel an Eight.


That's a mistranslation, Abel actually married 4 twos.
 
2013-02-13 12:41:55 AM  
Texas is opting to teach commie pinko science instead of real 'murkin bible-believing Patriotism?

I didn't see that coming.
 
2013-02-13 12:47:07 AM  
www.prometheus2-movie.com
As long as this is still banned, I'm all for it. Fark Damon Lindeoff.
 
2013-02-13 05:00:30 AM  

olddinosaur: But of course global warming is okay, even though the scientific basis is about equal.


0/10
 
2013-02-13 05:04:11 AM  

Joe boater: This is what bothers me more.

"The head of the Texas Board of Education has provided assurances to Democrats in the State Senate that only Darwin's Theory of Evolution will be taught in public school science classes in the state,". 1200 WOAI news reports.


No other theories allowed, so we all must goosestep to the observations of a twenty year old?  Sieg farkin' heil! Heck even Richard Dawkins a stout evolutionist admitted it was possible we were created by, get this, ALIENS.


Read more: http://www.big1059.com/cc-common/news/sections/newsarticle.html?feed= 1 04668&article=10806921#ixzz2KiNkhUeI


BUT IT'S NOT SCIENCE. I notice that you neglected to bold the part of the quote about science classes though, so I'll assume you're just trolling.
 
2013-02-13 05:28:33 AM  

severedtoe: there was a time in this nation where science and religion did not have to be mutually exclusive.  furthermore i remember a time when it was considered impolite to discuss ones faith outside of one's church and home.  However  this age of constant evangelism it is almost expects it.  One's faith, or lack there of, has to be pinned upon the chest.  What was once a topic of self reflection and private contemplation is now pubil spectacle.  All so we can be distracted from the more important things of our daily lives.

Pin a medal on that woman.  Her courage in the face of some very powerful opposition is appreciated.


I find the contacts much more comfortable.
 
2013-02-13 06:10:52 AM  
No pics of jesus on a raptor?
 
2013-02-13 09:24:46 AM  

BMFPitt: Dixon Cider: 'Hero' tag sleeping in today?

Isn't that setting the bar a bit low?  Do I get the Hero tag for not punching any babies today?


Depends on how you define 'baby'.
 
2013-02-13 10:01:56 AM  

BMFPitt: Dixon Cider: 'Hero' tag sleeping in today?

Isn't that setting the bar a bit low?


welcometofark.jpg

you get a hero tag here if you can manage not to eat your own poop
 
2013-02-13 10:06:38 AM  

I drunk what: BMFPitt: Dixon Cider: 'Hero' tag sleeping in today?

Isn't that setting the bar a bit low?

welcometofark.jpg

you get a hero tag here if you can manage not to eat your own poop


So.. not a single Farker gets the title?
 
2013-02-13 11:02:46 AM  

shastacola: Has the question of who Cain and Abel married ever been answered?


Genesis 5:4 "After Seth was born, Adam lived 800 years and had other sons and daughters."

If you're going to criticize a book, at least read it first.  Now stop making yourself look like an idiot by asking stupid questions like that and focus on the real, valid criticisms of that worthless book.
 
2013-02-13 11:42:59 AM  

Dixon Cider: I drunk what: BMFPitt: Dixon Cider: 'Hero' tag sleeping in today?

Isn't that setting the bar a bit low?

welcometofark.jpg

you get a hero tag here if you can manage not to eat your own poop

So.. not a single Farker gets the title?


24.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-02-13 12:25:00 PM  

Sin_City_Superhero: [lolpics.se image 750x600]


The layout of that page is the most compelling argument I've seen that there is no God...
 
2013-02-13 01:07:19 PM  
Local churches seen stock piling tar and feathers.
 
2013-02-13 03:07:20 PM  

Carthax: shastacola: eraser8: FirstNationalBastard: I would have no problem with creationism or intelligent design being taught in schools. Hell, I'd even agree to the bible being required reading...

You can't teach creationism/intelligent design while requiring students to actually read the Bible.  You have to choose one or the other.

Anyone who actually reads the Bible -- and comprehends what it says -- will realize in short order that the biblical creation story is Grade-A crap.  We can't have that.  Not in 'Murica.

Has the question of who Cain and Abel married ever been answered?

The Bible does not say that Adam and Eve were the first people; only that they were the first ones created to be with God through eternity.  When Cain kills Abel, God puts a mark on his head to protect him from "the other peoples of the world."  Case closed -- either God did multiple creations (my Weenersor believed this), or there were already a lot of folks in the world when God created Adam and Eve to be the beginnings of the bloodline that would eventually become the Jews.


L Ron did a better job.
 
2013-02-13 03:12:23 PM  

Xenomech: shastacola: Has the question of who Cain and Abel married ever been answered?

Genesis 5:4 "After Seth was born, Adam lived 800 years and had other sons and daughters."

If you're going to criticize a book, at least read it first.  Now stop making yourself look like an idiot by asking stupid questions like that and focus on the real, valid criticisms of that worthless book.


Soooo, incest?
 
2013-02-13 07:12:52 PM  

machodonkeywrestler: Xenomech: shastacola: Has the question of who Cain and Abel married ever been answered?

Genesis 5:4 "After Seth was born, Adam lived 800 years and had other sons and daughters."

If you're going to criticize a book, at least read it first.  Now stop making yourself look like an idiot by asking stupid questions like that and focus on the real, valid criticisms of that worthless book.

Soooo, incest?


It's a disgusting book of holiness, alright.
 
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