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(Big 1059)   Dept. Of Ed. Chief says they will NOT teach creationism, intelligent design in schools; story evolving   (big1059.com ) divider line
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2013-02-12 02:30:38 PM  

Dr Dreidel: like who married Reuben, for example


Shirley Partridge?
 
2013-02-12 02:32:33 PM  

Dr Dreidel: shastacola: Has the question of who Cain and Abel married ever been answered?

"Just because Adam, Eve, Cain and Abel (and later, Seth) were the only people mentioned, doesn't mean they were the only people. Maybe those 4/5 were the only ones worth mentioning, and the facts of early man gettin' down are assumed to have involved women other than Mama Eve (which doesn't really add to the story). The genealogical exposition in Genesis establishes the patrilineal line, so none of the women are mentioned.

// the same way we don't know much about Biblical women in general - like who married Reuben, for example


We discussed this in my Bible as Literature class in college before. The professor seemed to think that the God referred to in the early parts of the Old Testament was a tribal/familial god, not the only god. So it would be safe to assume that women from other tribes/families would be intermingling.
 
2013-02-12 02:36:01 PM  

Raharu: You can make up whatever answer you like, it's all pretty much slash fiction.


Cain held Abel tightly in his arms.  "This is wrong, we are brothers! But it feels so right..."
 
2013-02-12 02:39:12 PM  

abfalter: What a hero looks like:

[www.barbaracargill.com image 600x750]


whats the T stand for? is her name Tina?
 
2013-02-12 02:39:56 PM  
We need to get physics, chemistry, and biology into the churches.
 
2013-02-12 02:40:50 PM  
zerobs.net
 
2013-02-12 02:41:58 PM  
This is what bothers me more.

"The head of the Texas Board of Education has provided assurances to Democrats in the State Senate that only Darwin's Theory of Evolution will be taught in public school science classes in the state,". 1200 WOAI news reports.


No other theories allowed, so we all must goosestep to the observations of a twenty year old?  Sieg farkin' heil! Heck even Richard Dawkins a stout evolutionist admitted it was possible we were created by, get this, ALIENS.


Read more: http://www.big1059.com/cc-common/news/sections/newsarticle.html?feed= 1 04668&article=10806921#ixzz2KiNkhUeI
 
2013-02-12 02:42:07 PM  
LOL at suggesting story wasn't created solely by an intelligent being.
 
2013-02-12 02:42:54 PM  
I'd be fine with using creationism as an example of what isn't scientific theory to help students better understand what the discipline entails, what it means to be testable, verifiable, etc.
 
2013-02-12 02:44:05 PM  
In all fairness, Christianity does belong in school, right along side all the other mythologies. Atlas, Zeus, FSM, Jesus, Iahova, all of it, in Theology class. Science is for the provable and the verifiable.
 
2013-02-12 02:44:37 PM  

Joe boater: This is what bothers me more.

"The head of the Texas Board of Education has provided assurances to Democrats in the State Senate that only Darwin's Theory of Evolution will be taught in public school science classes in the state,". 1200 WOAI news reports.


No other theories allowed, so we all must goosestep to the observations of a twenty year old?  Sieg farkin' heil! Heck even Richard Dawkins a stout evolutionist admitted it was possible we were created by, get this, ALIENS.


Read more: http://www.big1059.com/cc-common/news/sections/newsarticle.html?feed= 1 04668&article=10806921#ixzz2KiNkhUeI


Translation: DERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRP.

This is because it's the *ONLY* scientific explanation we have right now. If another one comes along it will be taught to the children but since its the only one with evidence right now that's the one we teach.

Great Troll or I feel sorry for you.  It's one or the other.
 
2013-02-12 02:46:00 PM  
I got the same assurances from my school district regarding the textbooks they will be purchasing.  It's already Oregon state policy.

I'm still going to try and be as involved as I possibly can in the selection to make sure they are not bullied into getting creationist textbooks.
 
2013-02-12 02:49:30 PM  

Raharu: So, fan fiction then.


With a healthy dose of intergenerational telephone and cultural bleed, too.

Three reasons to never teach The Bible in (non-sociological) science class. Hell, I remember some parents getting up in arms over the way certain topics were taught in religion classes, and we were all the same faith! At least in science class, you have to show your work to argue, and someone's allowed to be wrong.

// purple monkey dishwasher
 
2013-02-12 02:54:23 PM  
Ahhhh...
I wonder if this was the reason my super fundie sister in law to post on her Facebook about how she was "crying all day because the atheists have taken God's word out of our schools".

I hope so.
 
2013-02-12 02:58:30 PM  

Joe boater: This is what bothers me more.

"The head of the Texas Board of Education has provided assurances to Democrats in the State Senate that only Darwin's Theory of Evolution will be taught in public school science classes in the state,". 1200 WOAI news reports.


No other theories allowed, so we all must goosestep to the observations of a twenty year old?  Sieg farkin' heil! Heck even Richard Dawkins a stout evolutionist admitted it was possible we were created by, get this, ALIENS.


Evolution is not a theory on how life was created.
 
2013-02-12 02:59:47 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-02-12 03:02:58 PM  

born_yesterday: Arkanaut: unyon: FTFA:    "Because we do not have the scientific facts to teach creation, does that mean we can't teach that God created women and men," asked Sen. Donna Campbell (R-New Braunfels).  "Are we trying to eliminate that?"

Since that's precisely what science means, then yeah.  You are eliminating that.

Apparently it's too much to just take your damn kids to church if you want to indoctrinate them.

Or sending them to a private school.  The Catholics have been doing it since forever, why in the hell won't these asshats?


Because the Catholic schools teach evolution.
 
2013-02-12 03:11:53 PM  
They already added "God" to this:

I pledge allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands, one nation indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
 
2013-02-12 03:13:13 PM  

Joe boater: This is what bothers me more.

"The head of the Texas Board of Education has provided assurances to Democrats in the State Senate that only Darwin's Theory of Evolution will be taught in public school science classes in the state,". 1200 WOAI news reports.


No other theories allowed, so we all must goosestep to the observations of a twenty year old?  Sieg farkin' heil! Heck even Richard Dawkins a stout evolutionist admitted it was possible we were created by, get this, ALIENS.


Read more: http://www.big1059.com/cc-common/news/sections/newsarticle.html?feed= 1 04668&article=10806921#ixzz2KiNkhUeI


You know that funny feeling you get when you think about this stuff?  It's the physical manifestation of your compartmentalization and cognitive dissonance.  You KNOW that evolution has happened, is happening, and will continue to happen.  In hindsight, it's one of the most intuitive scientific theories out there, and if Darwin hadn't recognized it any number of other budding scientists would have.  It's also the basis for many other fields of science from which you no doubt benefit, and can and has been observed in laboratory conditions.

In short, get on board!  You'll feel better once you start being honest with yourself, trust me.
 
2013-02-12 03:15:39 PM  
Intelligent? Personally I would have gone with sentient plants instead of the brutal, kill and be killed food chain idea.
 
2013-02-12 03:16:36 PM  

Sin_City_Superhero: They already added "God" to this:

I pledge allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands, one nation indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.


While were cleaning up the crude tack-ons, lets go ahead and take indivisible out too, Yankee devil.
 
2013-02-12 03:19:06 PM  
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you guys make me so proud, i see this thread is already taken care of :D

death to christians, i'm ok you're ok ;)
 
2013-02-12 03:23:49 PM  

Sin_City_Superhero: They already added "God" to this:

I pledge allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands, one nation indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.


THIS^

*ahem*

radio.foxnews.com

what is this? the stone ages??  are we a nation of retards? idiocracy indeed
 
2013-02-12 03:25:44 PM  

I drunk what: Sin_City_Superhero: They already added "God" to this:

I pledge allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands, one nation indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

THIS^

*ahem*

what is this? the stone ages??  are we a nation of retards? idiocracy indeed


^^^^
 
2013-02-12 03:25:52 PM  

Raharu: shastacola: eraser8: FirstNationalBastard: I would have no problem with creationism or intelligent design being taught in schools. Hell, I'd even agree to the bible being required reading...

You can't teach creationism/intelligent design while requiring students to actually read the Bible.  You have to choose one or the other.

Anyone who actually reads the Bible -- and comprehends what it says -- will realize in short order that the biblical creation story is Grade-A crap.  We can't have that.  Not in 'Murica.

Has the question of who Cain and Abel married ever been answered?
.You can make up whatever answer you like, it's all pretty much fanfic.


THIS^ lolz i agree with everything he says

*brofisting*
 
2013-02-12 03:28:29 PM  

shastacola: eraser8: FirstNationalBastard: I would have no problem with creationism or intelligent design being taught in schools. Hell, I'd even agree to the bible being required reading...

You can't teach creationism/intelligent design while requiring students to actually read the Bible.  You have to choose one or the other.

Anyone who actually reads the Bible -- and comprehends what it says -- will realize in short order that the biblical creation story is Grade-A crap.  We can't have that.  Not in 'Murica.

Has the question of who Cain and Abel married ever been answered?


The Bible does not say that Adam and Eve were the first people; only that they were the first ones created to be with God through eternity.  When Cain kills Abel, God puts a mark on his head to protect him from "the other peoples of the world."  Case closed -- either God did multiple creations (my Weenersor believed this), or there were already a lot of folks in the world when God created Adam and Eve to be the beginnings of the bloodline that would eventually become the Jews.
 
2013-02-12 03:32:15 PM  

shastacola: eraser8: FirstNationalBastard: I would have no problem with creationism or intelligent design being taught in schools. Hell, I'd even agree to the bible being required reading...

You can't teach creationism/intelligent design while requiring students to actually read the Bible.  You have to choose one or the other.

Anyone who actually reads the Bible -- and comprehends what it says -- will realize in short order that the biblical creation story is Grade-A crap.  We can't have that.  Not in 'Murica.

Has the question of who Cain and Abel married ever been answered?


Neanderthals.
 
2013-02-12 03:32:41 PM  

Carthax: shastacola: eraser8: FirstNationalBastard: I would have no problem with creationism or intelligent design being taught in schools. Hell, I'd even agree to the bible being required reading...

You can't teach creationism/intelligent design while requiring students to actually read the Bible.  You have to choose one or the other.

Anyone who actually reads the Bible -- and comprehends what it says -- will realize in short order that the biblical creation story is Grade-A crap.  We can't have that.  Not in 'Murica.

Has the question of who Cain and Abel married ever been answered?

The Bible does not say that Adam and Eve were the first people; only that they were the first ones created to be with God through eternity.  When Cain kills Abel, God puts a mark on his head to protect him from "the other peoples of the world."  Case closed -- either God did multiple creations (my Weenersor believed this), or there were already a lot of folks in the world when God created Adam and Eve to be the beginnings of the bloodline that would eventually become the Jews.


so then fan fiction?
 
2013-02-12 03:35:16 PM  
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1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-02-12 03:37:27 PM  
Here's the problem I have with people that believe in YEC, or that all different forms of life were created at the same time, and didn't evolve from common ancestors:

In order for this view to jive with clearly evident data, then you must assume that God created the entire planet 6000 years ago, and then planted evidence all over the place that would disprove that act.  He changed the decay rate of radioisotopes so that dating anything that was past 4004 BC is unreliable.  He created all the light from distant stars already en route to earth.  He planted mounds of fossils and other evidence pointing to evolution.  He did all this in order to make you question the Bible.  This view leads to only one inescapable conclusion: God is a troll, and a piss-poor one at that.
 
2013-02-12 03:39:33 PM  

IronOcelot: Ahhhh...
I wonder if this was the reason my super fundie sister in law to post on her Facebook about how she was "crying all day because the atheists have taken God's word out of our schools".

I hope so.


Their all powerful god sure is polite, what with him obeying school rules a lot.
 
2013-02-12 03:47:06 PM  

miss diminutive: generallyso: Creationists will just come up with a new name for their nonsense before they start pushing it again.

My guess?

Transcendental Formation.


I read that as "Transcendental Fornication" and it sounded like fun...
 
2013-02-12 03:50:28 PM  

shastacola: eraser8: FirstNationalBastard: I would have no problem with creationism or intelligent design being taught in schools. Hell, I'd even agree to the bible being required reading...

You can't teach creationism/intelligent design while requiring students to actually read the Bible.  You have to choose one or the other.

Anyone who actually reads the Bible -- and comprehends what it says -- will realize in short order that the biblical creation story is Grade-A crap.  We can't have that.  Not in 'Murica.

Has the question of who Cain and Abel married ever been answered?


Cain & Abel:  The First Gay Marriage.
 
2013-02-12 03:50:31 PM  
I used to be an antitheist. I raged against "God" being on money and in our Pledge of Allegiance, but now I simply don't care. If people want to believe in God, that's their problem. If people want to worship frozen peas, they're welcome to do so. If people want to put their underwear on their head while they say the Pledge of Allegiance, then they can go right ahead and do that. It doesn't bother me at all.

Honestly, what bothers me is stuff like the fact that our free nation has a Pledge of Allegiance at all. Why should we have to pledge allegiance to our flag or union? Isn't it enough that I hold to the laws of the land, and uphold the ideals of America? Do I have to stand up and place my hand on my heart and swear it, too?  That's just a bit too paranoid-sounding for me. My allegiance to my country should be a given. I shouldn't have to recite a loyalty oath every day.

The loyalty oath bothers me a lot more than adding "God" to money. Money is dirty and the root of all evil, so really, I think it's only right that it mention God.
 
2013-02-12 03:51:07 PM  
FTA: "I do not want in the textbooks Creationism or Intelligent Design,"

Do you want in the textbooks Yoda's Guide to Correct Grammar?
 
2013-02-12 03:54:12 PM  
images.wikia.comcdn2-b.examiner.com
 
2013-02-12 03:54:35 PM  
To TeaBillies, the government-run public school must serve as church and home, too, since Tea partying precludes teaching any ethical value either at home, and sending kids to church might require them darking church doors themselves.

And wow -- a Tea Party Doctor -- in a state where malpractice is capped at $250K.
 
2013-02-12 03:56:29 PM  
there was a time in this nation where science and religion did not have to be mutually exclusive.  furthermore i remember a time when it was considered impolite to discuss ones faith outside of one's church and home.  However  this age of constant evangelism it is almost expects it.  One's faith, or lack there of, has to be pinned upon the chest.  What was once a topic of self reflection and private contemplation is now pubil spectacle.  All so we can be distracted from the more important things of our daily lives.

Pin a medal on that woman.  Her courage in the face of some very powerful opposition is appreciated.
 
2013-02-12 03:57:40 PM  

ZeroCorpse: Money is dirty and the root of all evil, so really, I think it's only right that it mention God.


PWNED ! :D

and then POOF he is gone in a puff of logic

you know what is really scary? "adults" who really believe in angels are allowed to own firearms 0.0

would you give an assault machine gun to a retard?
 
2013-02-12 03:58:40 PM  
Here is the link to her donations page.  If you appreciate her stance, show it bu trying to keep her in office.

http://www.barbaracargill.com/donations.htm
 
2013-02-12 04:03:04 PM  

ZeroCorpse: I used to be an antitheist. I raged against "God" being on money and in our Pledge of Allegiance, but now I simply don't care. If people want to believe in God, that's their problem. If people want to worship frozen peas, they're welcome to do so. If people want to put their underwear on their head while they say the Pledge of Allegiance, then they can go right ahead and do that. It doesn't bother me at all.



4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-02-12 04:08:03 PM  

ZeroCorpse: I used to be an antitheist. I raged against "God" being on money and in our Pledge of Allegiance, but now I simply don't care. If people want to believe in God, that's their problem. If people want to worship frozen peas, they're welcome to do so. If people want to put their underwear on their head while they say the Pledge of Allegiance, then they can go right ahead and do that. It doesn't bother me at all.

Honestly, what bothers me is stuff like the fact that our free nation has a Pledge of Allegiance at all. Why should we have to pledge allegiance to our flag or union? Isn't it enough that I hold to the laws of the land, and uphold the ideals of America? Do I have to stand up and place my hand on my heart and swear it, too?  That's just a bit too paranoid-sounding for me. My allegiance to my country should be a given. I shouldn't have to recite a loyalty oath every day.

The loyalty oath bothers me a lot more than adding "God" to money. Money is dirty and the root of all evil, so really, I think it's only right that it mention God.


Come on, give peas a chance.
 
2013-02-12 04:10:12 PM  

unyon: FTFA:    "Because we do not have the scientific facts to teach creation, does that mean we can't teach that God created women and men," asked Sen. Donna Campbell (R-New Braunfels).  "Are we trying to eliminate that?"

Since that's precisely what science means, then yeah.  You are eliminating that.


Is this an actual example of "begging the question"?
 
2013-02-12 04:19:37 PM  

ZeroCorpse: The loyalty oath bothers me a lot more than adding "God" to money.


Loyalty oaths in have always been used primarily as a method to justify doing the wrong thing in the name of loyalty (or perceived lack thereof).
 
2013-02-12 04:20:49 PM  
But what set evolution in motion?
What came first, chicken or the egg?
How much wood could a wood chuck chuck?
What does god need with a starship?
So many questions, so much entrophy?
 
2013-02-12 04:21:41 PM  

I drunk what: Sin_City_Superhero: They already added "God" to this:

I pledge allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands, one nation indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

THIS^

*ahem*

[radio.foxnews.com image 300x200]

what is this? the stone ages??  are we a nation of retards? idiocracy indeed


4/10
 
2013-02-12 04:26:42 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: I would have no problem with creationism or intelligent design being taught in schools. Hell, I'd even agree to the bible being required reading...

...in english class, where they teach all the other fantasy novels and fantastic, implausible ideas.


When I took Humanities my senior year of high school, we actually did study the Bible... as literature. We discussed its influence on popular culture over the ages, particularly music, art, and other literary works, and my teacher picked apart the glaring inconsistencies and poor writing. Now, she didn't do that to be mean or pick on the poor persecuted Christians, she was giving the Bible the same treatment as everything else we read. I wasn't raised Christian and I still remember stuff from that class nearly two decades later! Ms. Pendergast, wherever you are, know that you were one of the best teachers I've ever had, including college.

The other acceptable place to (objectively) teach about religion would be social studies. It's impossible to really understand current and historical events in the Middle East, for example, without having some understanding of Islam (and its various factions like the Sunnis and Shi'ites) and its relation to Judaism and Christianity. Or (using an example from when I was in high school) to really understand the conflict between Catholics and Protestants in Ireland, you need to have some knowledge of those religions. Religion is inextricably tied to history.
 
2013-02-12 04:27:09 PM  
"Because we do not have the scientific facts to teach creation, does that mean we can't teach that God created women and men,"

That's precisely what it means in a science classroom yes.

Particularly since the god you believe in doesn't exist.
 
2013-02-12 04:27:58 PM  

Joe Blowme: But what set evolution in motion?
What came first, chicken or the egg?
How much wood could a wood chuck chuck?
What does god need with a starship?
So many questions, so much entrophy?


Sexual reproduction
The egg predates the chicken by many millions of years
1 pallet an hour
Prefers it to walking.
Questions are entropy neutral so don't worry too much.
 
2013-02-12 04:31:27 PM  

Joe Blowme: But what set evolution in motion?


Nature

Joe Blowme: What came first, chicken or the egg?


Big Bang

Joe Blowme: What does god need with a starship?


the same thing that santa claus needs with one

Two16: 4/10


2/5

i see math isn't your strong suit
 
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