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Dixon Cider		2013-02-12 11:38:25 AM

'Hero' tag sleeping in today?

unyon		2013-02-12 11:47:38 AM

FTFA: "Because we do not have the scientific facts to teach creation, does that mean we can't teach that God created women and men," asked Sen. Donna Campbell (R-New Braunfels). "Are we trying to eliminate that?"

Since that's precisely what science means, then yeah. You are eliminating that.

kid_icarus		2013-02-12 11:54:13 AM

Never a better use of the 'Obvious' tag. Creationism is NOTscience (no matter how desperately they try to package it as such). Therefore it's a no-brainer that it should NOT be taught in science classes.
If your school has an elective theology course, then sure...go nuts with the creationism in that class.

Rev.K		2013-02-12 12:09:55 PM

Bontesla		2013-02-12 12:28:15 PM

unyon: FTFA: "Because we do not have the scientific facts to teach creation, does that mean we can't teach that God created women and men," asked Sen. Donna Campbell (R-New Braunfels). "Are we trying to eliminate that?"

Since that's precisely what science means, then yeah. You are eliminating that.

We found Ric Romero's reading base.

exick		2013-02-12 12:44:25 PM

"Because we do not have the scientific facts to teach creation, does that mean we can't teach that God created women and men," asked Sen. Donna Campbell (R-New Braunfels). "Are we trying to eliminate that?"

YES WE ARE YOU STUPID FARKING coont!

FirstNationalBastard		2013-02-12 01:17:26 PM

I would have no problem with creationism or intelligent design being taught in schools. Hell, I'd even agree to the bible being required reading...

...in english class, where they teach all the other fantasy novels and fantastic, implausible ideas.

HighZoolander		2013-02-12 01:18:37 PM

"Because we do not have the scientific facts to teach creation, does that mean we can't teach that God created women and men," asked Sen. Donna Campbell (R-New Braunfels). "Are we trying to eliminate that?"

This is what happens when a republican tries to ask a 'gotcha' question.

Guess you stupid liberal commie atheist socialist pinko libtards didn't think your cunning plan all the way through, now did you?

Arkanaut		2013-02-12 01:18:49 PM

TofuTheAlmighty		2013-02-12 01:20:08 PM

"Because we do not have the scientific facts to teach creation, does that mean we can't teach that God created women and men," asked Sen. Donna Campbell (R-New Braunfels).

That's exactly what it means, you stupid twunt. Keep your bronze age superstitions to yourself.

Sin_City_Superhero		2013-02-12 01:20:22 PM

"Because we do not have the scientific facts to teach creation, does that mean we can't teach that God created women and men," asked Sen. Donna Campbell (R-New Braunfels).

Yes. That is EXACTLY what it means.

Satanic_Hamster		2013-02-12 01:20:24 PM

born_yesterday		2013-02-12 01:21:00 PM

Arkanaut: unyon: FTFA: "Because we do not have the scientific facts to teach creation, does that mean we can't teach that God created women and men," asked Sen. Donna Campbell (R-New Braunfels). "Are we trying to eliminate that?"

Since that's precisely what science means, then yeah. You are eliminating that.

Apparently it's too much to just take your damn kids to church if you want to indoctrinate them.

Or sending them to a private school. The Catholics have been doing it since forever, why in the hell won't these asshats?

Smoking GNU		2013-02-12 01:21:03 PM

Good lord! Sanity from texas education?

Wonder how long this'll last?

generallyso		2013-02-12 01:21:54 PM

Creationists will just come up with a new name for their nonsense before they start pushing it again.

Mega Steve		2013-02-12 01:22:55 PM

FirstNationalBastard: I would have no problem with creationism or intelligent design being taught in schools. Hell, I'd even agree to the bible being required reading...

...in english class, where they teach all the other fantasy novels and fantastic, implausible ideas.

Back when I was in high school, we spent most of our lunch periods in the library. One day, my friend Bill notices the Bible was in the mythology section.

Bill: Why did they put the Bible there?
Me: That's where it belongs.

He was not amused, but I sure as Hell was

FirstNationalBastard		2013-02-12 01:23:00 PM

Smoking GNU: Good lord! Sanity from texas education?

Wonder how long this'll last?

Until someone shows up at the Department of Education chief's house with a gun.

So... 25 minutes?

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier		2013-02-12 01:26:21 PM

The intelligent design people should have tried adjusting their argument to fit specific circumstances, and only keeping pieces of rhetoric that actually provided a positive benefit to the whole concept.

eraser8		2013-02-12 01:27:16 PM

FirstNationalBastard: I would have no problem with creationism or intelligent design being taught in schools. Hell, I'd even agree to the bible being required reading...

You can't teach creationism/intelligent design while requiring students to actually read the Bible. You have to choose one or the other.

Anyone who actually reads the Bible -- and comprehends what it says -- will realize in short order that the biblical creation story is Grade-A crap. We can't have that. Not in 'Murica.

Raharu		2013-02-12 01:30:14 PM

eraser8: FirstNationalBastard: I would have no problem with creationism or intelligent design being taught in schools. Hell, I'd even agree to the bible being required reading...

You can't teach creationism/intelligent design while requiring students to actually read the Bible. You have to choose one or the other.

Anyone who actually reads the Bible -- and comprehends what it says -- will realize in short order that the biblical creation story is Grade-A crap. We can't have that. Not in 'Murica.

Not to mention the violence, sex, cruelty, contradictions, that most of the heros like Lot are actually assholes, the incest, people as property etc.

miss diminutive		2013-02-12 01:33:43 PM

generallyso: Creationists will just come up with a new name for their nonsense before they start pushing it again.

My guess?

Transcendental Formation.

Sin_City_Superhero		2013-02-12 01:45:37 PM

I don't know what the Quran says about the creation of the universe, but we should tell the Bible-thumpers that THAT's what will be taught in schools. Heads will assplode.

Nefarious		2013-02-12 01:48:07 PM

I vaguely remember learning about intelligent design in school but it was history/social studies in elementary school and it was in reference to pre-Darwinian theories.

gopher321		2013-02-12 01:52:38 PM

Mega Steve: FirstNationalBastard: I would have no problem with creationism or intelligent design being taught in schools. Hell, I'd even agree to the bible being required reading...

...in english class, where they teach all the other fantasy novels and fantastic, implausible ideas.

Back when I was in high school, we spent most of our lunch periods in the library. One day, my friend Bill notices the Bible was in the mythology section.

Bill: Why did they put the Bible there?
Me: That's where it belongs.

He was not amused, but I sure as Hell was

And I am amused by this response ;)

fireclown		2013-02-12 02:03:54 PM

Sin_City_Superhero: I don't know what the Quran says about the creation of the universe, but we should tell the Bible-thumpers that THAT's what will be taught in schools. Heads will assplode.

As a secular American, that is pretty much the same thing to me. However it would be worth it just to watch the show. Maybe we could just make the announcement and wait for the hullabaloo?

Snarfangel		2013-02-12 02:04:19 PM

They won't teach cretinism! Hooray!

Lionel Mandrake		2013-02-12 02:04:25 PM

"Because we do not have the scientific facts to teach creation, does that mean we can't teach that God created women and men," asked Sen. Donna Campbell (R-New Braunfels). "Are we trying to eliminate that?"

wat

"Since we don't have facts, can we teach bronze-age mythology in our science classes?"

How does one become so stupid?

Slives		2013-02-12 02:05:04 PM

FirstNationalBastard: Smoking GNU: Good lord! Sanity from texas education?

Wonder how long this'll last?

Until someone shows up at the Department of Education chief's house with a gun.

So... 25 minutes?

Texas is a big state, give them another 30 minutes for driving time.

Sin_City_Superhero		2013-02-12 02:05:04 PM

Shaggy0717		2013-02-12 02:07:29 PM

Smoking GNU: Good lord! Sanity from texas education?

Wonder how long this'll last?

why are you bringing Him into this? That is exactly what they are trying to get rid of

shastacola		2013-02-12 02:10:04 PM

eraser8: FirstNationalBastard: I would have no problem with creationism or intelligent design being taught in schools. Hell, I'd even agree to the bible being required reading...

You can't teach creationism/intelligent design while requiring students to actually read the Bible. You have to choose one or the other.

Anyone who actually reads the Bible -- and comprehends what it says -- will realize in short order that the biblical creation story is Grade-A crap. We can't have that. Not in 'Murica.

Has the question of who Cain and Abel married ever been answered?

Private_Citizen		2013-02-12 02:11:46 PM

To the GOP lady ftfa:

When you're at home or church, you can teach your snowflake about God, Allah, Budda, The great spirit, mother gaia, Zenu - or even the one about the FSM creating the universe with a sauce spill.

But in Science class, we teach Science.

Egoy3k		2013-02-12 02:11:58 PM

shastacola: eraser8: FirstNationalBastard: I would have no problem with creationism or intelligent design being taught in schools. Hell, I'd even agree to the bible being required reading...

You can't teach creationism/intelligent design while requiring students to actually read the Bible. You have to choose one or the other.

Anyone who actually reads the Bible -- and comprehends what it says -- will realize in short order that the biblical creation story is Grade-A crap. We can't have that. Not in 'Murica.

Has the question of who Cain and Abel married ever been answered?

A couple of thetans who were transporting the lost tribe of Israel to the new world on flying horses.

Raharu		2013-02-12 02:14:30 PM

.You can make up whatever answer you like, it's all pretty much fanfic.

SewerSquirrels		2013-02-12 02:14:55 PM

Mega Steve:
Back when I was in high school, we spent most of our lunch periods in the library. One day, my friend Bill notices the Bible was in the mythology section.

When I was in school there was no mythology section, only fiction and nonfiction. I don't recall too many people getting their hackles raised by the bible being in the fiction section, but people were smart enough to keep religion out of politics back then.

I feel a Barry Goldwater quote coming on.

ringersol		2013-02-12 02:20:20 PM

TFA: "Are we trying to eliminate that?"

*Eliminate*? Someone's as bad at their recent history as they are science.

Public schools *didn't* teach creation - as it was the prevailing interpretation of the 'separation of church and state' that they *couldn't* teach specific theological beliefs.

Then you-all nutters tried to *force it* into the curriculum.

So, *no*. No-one's trying to "eliminate" the teaching of specific theological beliefs in public schools.
We're trying to *prevent it in the first damn place* -- to uphold a long-settled interpretation of the Establishment Clause, to not privilege any one set of religious beliefs over the others -- you intellectually dishonest slimebag.

Unless, of course, you want to see biblical creation 'taught' on equal footing as the wheel of life, the creation of the black-headed people, the rending of the flesh of Ymir to forge the world, and all the rest.

kindms		2013-02-12 02:20:24 PM

FirstNationalBastard: I would have no problem with creationism or intelligent design being taught in schools. Hell, I'd even agree to the bible being required reading...

...in english class, where they teach all the other fantasy novels and fantastic, implausible ideas.

went to HS in the late 80s (Public School) The Bible was used in my sophomore english class. If I remember correctly we were doing a comparative religious or creation myth segment. I don't recall anyone getting upset about having their beliefs challenged. It was examined as literature and not a dogmatic book etc.

Dahnkster		2013-02-12 02:20:35 PM

Quickmatch		2013-02-12 02:21:19 PM

Teaching the Controversy aside, where did that writer go to Journalism School? George Bush's Institutified Academy of Americanish?

Jeebus, it was a painful read.

enricofermi		2013-02-12 02:21:34 PM

I wish Kansas would do the same thing, but thanks to the Tea Party movement, a bunch of nutjobs got in and I imagine the kids are watching Kirk Cameron banana videos. They view the Governor, Sam Brownback, as too moderate, and that guy is a creationist moron.

Maud Dib		2013-02-12 02:23:09 PM

FirstNationalBastard		2013-02-12 02:23:16 PM

kindms: FirstNationalBastard: I would have no problem with creationism or intelligent design being taught in schools. Hell, I'd even agree to the bible being required reading...

...in english class, where they teach all the other fantasy novels and fantastic, implausible ideas.

went to HS in the late 80s (Public School) The Bible was used in my sophomore english class. If I remember correctly we were doing a comparative religious or creation myth segment. I don't recall anyone getting upset about having their beliefs challenged. It was examined as literature and not a dogmatic book etc.

Yes, but that was the 80s, before these people really started trying to force Public Schools to become Sunday Schools.

Killer Cars		2013-02-12 02:24:46 PM

I demand an apology from state senator Donna Campbell for having me read the dumbest, most painfully f*cking retarded quote from an elected official in some time.

Dr Dreidel		2013-02-12 02:26:23 PM

shastacola: Has the question of who Cain and Abel married ever been answered?

"Just because Adam, Eve, Cain and Abel (and later, Seth) were the only people mentioned, doesn't mean they were the only people. Maybe those 4/5 were the only ones worth mentioning, and the facts of early man gettin' down are assumed to have involved women other than Mama Eve (which doesn't really add to the story). The genealogical exposition in Genesis establishes the patrilineal line, so none of the women are mentioned.

// the same way we don't know much about Biblical women in general - like who married Reuben, for example

abfalter		2013-02-12 02:27:21 PM

What a hero looks like:

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Ego edo infantia cattus		2013-02-12 02:28:42 PM

There's no way that was real. All the same, I now have a new favorite rap song.

olddinosaur		2013-02-12 02:28:56 PM

But of course global warming is okay, even though the scientific basis is about equal.

Raharu		2013-02-12 02:29:40 PM

Dr Dreidel: shastacola: Has the question of who Cain and Abel married ever been answered?

"Just because Adam, Eve, Cain and Abel (and later, Seth) were the only people mentioned, doesn't mean they were the only people. Maybe those 4/5 were the only ones worth mentioning, and the facts of early man gettin' down are assumed to have involved women other than Mama Eve (which doesn't really add to the story). The genealogical exposition in Genesis establishes the patrilineal line, so none of the women are mentioned.

// the same way we don't know much about Biblical women in general - like who married Reuben, for example

So, fan fiction then.

Mr. Fuzzypaws		2013-02-12 02:30:05 PM

Buh?

kindms		2013-02-12 02:30:25 PM

FirstNationalBastard: kindms: FirstNationalBastard: I would have no problem with creationism or intelligent design being taught in schools. Hell, I'd even agree to the bible being required reading...

...in english class, where they teach all the other fantasy novels and fantastic, implausible ideas.

went to HS in the late 80s (Public School) The Bible was used in my sophomore english class. If I remember correctly we were doing a comparative religious or creation myth segment. I don't recall anyone getting upset about having their beliefs challenged. It was examined as literature and not a dogmatic book etc.

Yes, but that was the 80s, before these people really started trying to force Public Schools to become Sunday Schools.

Well that isn't entirely true. There was always the folks who didn't think X,Y or Z should be taught, The fight in those days seemed to come down on the sex ed / health classes etc.

But the thing is this. Those kids in my class etc are the folks in their late 30s early 40s. The same folks who would primarily have kids going through schools now. So who is really pushing this agenda ? I supposed a bunch of kids from the late 80s early 90s could all of a sudden forget what it was like to go to public school and become god crazy.

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