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2013-02-12 12:04:03 PM
You can't have Hospice without Hospital.....
 
2013-02-12 12:04:47 PM
Those that died after visiting the hospital were obviously not readmitted.
 
2013-02-12 12:06:48 PM
Wait, are they talking about when the surgery's over, or just the surgeries under Dunn?
 
2013-02-12 12:07:50 PM
Since my son just died after spending 33 days in the ICU, I am not getting a kick out of these replies. :(
 
2013-02-12 12:09:34 PM
The "real" money is in treatment, not cure.
Go USA, the most expensive medical care in the world, because you can afford it.
Profiting from human suffering and disease has never been more highly regarded, or so some would have you believe.
farkin' sheeple
 
2013-02-12 12:09:45 PM

momalboe: Since my son just died after spending 33 days in the ICU, I am not getting a kick out of these replies. :(


I'm sorry for your loss.

Hospitals are nasty places. I let a neighbor culture my shoes for science class. Shoes I wear to work do not come into the house.
 
2013-02-12 12:09:58 PM

momalboe: Since my son just died after spending 33 days in the ICU, I am not getting a kick out of these replies. :(


Sorry for your loss.
 
2013-02-12 12:10:05 PM

momalboe: Since my son just died after spending 33 days in the ICU, I am not getting a kick out of these replies. :(


We understand. We've been there.

i.imgur.com
 
2013-02-12 12:10:07 PM

momalboe: Since my son just died after spending 33 days in the ICU, I am not getting a kick out of these replies. :(

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-02-12 12:12:38 PM

ChipNASA: momalboe: Since my son just died after spending 33 days in the ICU, I am not getting a kick out of these replies. :(

We understand. We've been there.

[i.imgur.com image 720x538]


Thanks for making me laugh. :)
 
2013-02-12 12:12:51 PM
So... repeat business =  high customer satisfaction.

Right?
 
2013-02-12 12:14:27 PM

momalboe: ChipNASA: momalboe: Since my son just died after spending 33 days in the ICU, I am not getting a kick out of these replies. :(

We understand. We've been there.

[i.imgur.com image 720x538]

Thanks for making me laugh. :)


I'm glad you didn't reach through the internet and beat my ass. (It was a touchy call to post that) ;-D hug

/losing a child is an unnatural thing. sorry.
 
2013-02-12 12:17:33 PM

Farce-Side: momalboe: Since my son just died after spending 33 days in the ICU, I am not getting a kick out of these replies. :(

Sorry for your loss.



Indeed.

My Condolences.


/Reality sucks
 
GBB
2013-02-12 12:18:59 PM

Twilight Farkle: Wait, are they talking about when the surgery's over, or just the surgeries under Dunn?


You can't have surgery under Dunn because Dunn is over Unger.  Surgery isd under Unger.
 
GBB
2013-02-12 12:21:52 PM

momalboe: Since my son just died after spending 33 days in the ICU, I am not getting a kick out of these replies. :(


encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com
RIP, son.
 
2013-02-12 12:21:59 PM

ChipNASA: momalboe: ChipNASA: momalboe: Since my son just died after spending 33 days in the ICU, I am not getting a kick out of these replies. :(

We understand. We've been there.

[i.imgur.com image 720x538]

Thanks for making me laugh. :)

I'm glad you didn't reach through the internet and beat my ass. (It was a touchy call to post that) ;-D hug

/losing a child is an unnatural thing. sorry.


Luckily, my sense of humor did not die with him.  This was one of his favorites (his name was Carl):  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNHQZTxo78I
 
2013-02-12 12:22:21 PM
There are four things that hospitals do very well:

1) Cause you to feel pain
2) Take away your pants
3) Expose you to disease
4) Charge you money


More than twice as many people die every year in the US due to medical mistakes than die from firearms and auto accidents combined.
 
2013-02-12 12:24:00 PM
Something to consider... the statistics might be skewed by the increased octogenarian population.

/translation: old people need more repeat visits to the hospital than younger folks.
 
2013-02-12 12:26:24 PM

give me doughnuts: There are four things that hospitals do very well:

1) Cause you to feel pain
2) Take away your pants
3) Expose you to disease
4) Charge you money


More than twice as many people die every year in the US due to medical mistakes than die from firearms and auto accidents combined.


We donate them to the local homeless population and it makes us look like saints.
 
2013-02-12 12:26:36 PM
How large is the elderly population there in Retirement-land?  That's going to inflate their rates.  Also how many people are going to get a free meal (homeless) in their E.R.?  Drug seekers with back pain, finger pain, toe pain, toothache, etc?
 
2013-02-12 12:27:37 PM

ChipNASA: /losing a child is an unnatural thing. sorry.


It definitely sucks, but at least for infants, it was quite natural for 99+% of human history.  Even as recently as the early 50's, the worldwide infant mortality rate was 152 per 1000, over a 15% chance of losing your infant.
 
2013-02-12 12:29:49 PM

momalboe: ChipNASA: momalboe: ChipNASA: momalboe: Since my son just died after spending 33 days in the ICU, I am not getting a kick out of these replies. :(

We understand. We've been there.

[i.imgur.com image 720x538]

Thanks for making me laugh. :)

I'm glad you didn't reach through the internet and beat my ass. (It was a touchy call to post that) ;-D hug

/losing a child is an unnatural thing. sorry.

Luckily, my sense of humor did not die with him.  This was one of his favorites (his name was Carl):  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNHQZTxo78I


Sorry for your loss and thanks for sharing the video. That was great. He must have had a great sense of humr.
 
2013-02-12 12:30:27 PM

momalboe: ChipNASA: momalboe: ChipNASA: momalboe: Since my son just died after spending 33 days in the ICU, I am not getting a kick out of these replies. :(

We understand. We've been there.

[i.imgur.com image 720x538]

Thanks for making me laugh. :)

I'm glad you didn't reach through the internet and beat my ass. (It was a touchy call to post that) ;-D hug

/losing a child is an unnatural thing. sorry.

Luckily, my sense of humor did not die with him.  This was one of his favorites (his name was Carl):  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNHQZTxo78I


I totally have no idea what I watched but it was oddly funny and odd and funny and odd.
 
2013-02-12 12:30:28 PM
humor.

/grumble, grumble
 
2013-02-12 12:30:48 PM

12349876: ChipNASA: /losing a child is an unnatural thing. sorry.

It definitely sucks, but at least for infants, it was quite natural for 99+% of human history.  Even as recently as the early 50's, the worldwide infant mortality rate was 152 per 1000, over a 15% chance of losing your infant.


Random CSB...

In the cemetery where my grandfather is buried, there's a set of triplets born in the early 1900s, none of them made it to 1 year old. Cora, Dora and Nora. Unfortunate names, but I can't imagine losing three kids.   :(

/end CSB
 
2013-02-12 12:31:10 PM

ChipNASA: momalboe: Since my son just died after spending 33 days in the ICU, I am not getting a kick out of these replies. :(

We understand. We've been there.

[i.imgur.com image 720x538]


LOL you are a bad, bad man.

Florida is full of old people. When old people get sick or injured, they are basically screwed. It's not at all surprising to me that they would need repeat hospital visits or stays.

/getting old
//ugh
 
2013-02-12 12:35:02 PM

ChipNASA: I totally have no idea what I watched but it was oddly funny and odd and funny and odd.


Agreed. Episode two is just as twisted.
 
2013-02-12 12:37:30 PM

momalboe: Since my son just died after spending 33 days in the ICU, I am not getting a kick out of these replies. :(


Oh my god, I'm so sorry to hear that.
 
2013-02-12 12:38:41 PM

saturn badger: ChipNASA: I totally have no idea what I watched but it was oddly funny and odd and funny and odd.

Agreed. Episode two is just as twisted.


OMG there are MANY Llama with Hats.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpjyH-LkEAg

Cruise Ship Edition....these are really odd, strange and funny.
 
2013-02-12 12:39:31 PM
MRSA and C. diff for the win!
 
2013-02-12 12:44:25 PM
My sister died in a hospital in Florida last week. Granted, it was because she did not take best care of herself, but the hospital did not cause her death. I think most people don't realize the sheer number of elderly in Florida. Also, as evidenced by the Fark tag, Florida is not only God's Waiting Room, but also Darwin's Checkout Line.
 
2013-02-12 12:47:31 PM
I wonder how this compares to the rest of the country and to other nations.
 
2013-02-12 12:53:35 PM
Sometimes there's not much you can do about repeat visits.  As in, send someone home on tube feed, because they cannot swallow without aspiration, a fact they are well aware of....they are back within a few weeks with aspiration pneumonia.  Nothing we can do about someone who is non-compliant.

OTOH, there are definitely times when we say about a possible discharge, "get that person out of here before they really get sick."  It's a fine line.
 
2013-02-12 12:54:29 PM

momalboe: Since my son just died after spending 33 days in the ICU, I am not getting a kick out of these replies. :(


My sincerest condolences.  My fiancee died after a hospital stay (and  because of it) - I understand your pain.  Stay strong.
 
2013-02-12 01:15:50 PM
encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com

Son, I am grieve....


Anyway, hospitals are indeed nasty places. Most of the people I know who have stayed in them wound up with staph infections. My dad died from one.

I'll avoid a hospital stay at all costs.
 
2013-02-12 01:22:01 PM

Amos Quito: So... repeat business =  high customer satisfaction.

Right?


They're making money, which is really all that matters.
 
2013-02-12 01:25:27 PM
My last two hospital stays were great.  Well, considering the nursing school is adjacent to the hospital helped.
 
2013-02-12 01:31:58 PM
Hospitals don't admit for trivialities anymore. If you're admitted, you probably have something going on that would kill you without treatment. Is it any wonder then that you're a) probably not going to be completely cured on the first visit, or b) treatment will carry significant risks?
 
2013-02-12 01:33:25 PM

snocone: The "real" money is in treatment, not cure.
Go USA, the most expensive medical care in the world, because you can afford it.
Profiting from human suffering and disease has never been more highly regarded, or so some would have you believe.
farkin' sheeple


Yup, cures for everything have been developed. The doctors are keeping them SECRET, otherwise they wouldn't be able to make their house payments.

And if you believe that, I've got some magic water to sell you. It's a cure! Just don't try to ask any of the people it cured, they all died.
 
2013-02-12 01:36:26 PM
My favorite experience with regards to readmissions was inpatient medicine at the VA.  We were literally a revolving door for CHF and COPD patients.  The reason being, we were able to restrict their diet on the wards, which largely controlled the CHF exacerbations, and take away their smokes, which controlled the COPD.

When they were discharged, they would resume their unhealthy habits, and thus ensure that they would come back soon.  So, if someone would care to offer a non-totalitarian solution to this problem, and yes, we did inform the patients of the role their habits played in their illnesses, the medical community would appreciate it.
 
2013-02-12 01:39:21 PM

Unda: Hospitals don't admit for trivialities anymore. If you're admitted, you probably have something going on that would kill you without treatment. Is it any wonder then that you're a) probably not going to be completely cured on the first visit, or b) treatment will carry significant risks?


This. Another thing is that patients want to leave. All day, every day, people are asking when they can leave. There's also pressure from above to get out the patients who aren't that sick. All told, 20% sounds about right. I'd have guessed ~15% at our university hospital. Higher or lower on different services.
 
2013-02-12 01:42:01 PM

The 4chan Psychiatrist: My favorite experience with regards to readmissions was inpatient medicine at the VA.  We were literally a revolving door for CHF and COPD patients.  The reason being, we were able to restrict their diet on the wards, which largely controlled the CHF exacerbations, and take away their smokes, which controlled the COPD.

When they were discharged, they would resume their unhealthy habits, and thus ensure that they would come back soon.  So, if someone would care to offer a non-totalitarian solution to this problem, and yes, we did inform the patients of the role their habits played in their illnesses, the medical community would appreciate it.


And an even bigger "this" for that post. The CHF patients might as well call ahead to the ER on holidays that center around big meals.
 
2013-02-12 01:53:14 PM

SkerriNinja: I think most people don't realize the sheer number of elderly in Florida. Also, as evidenced by the Fark tag, Florida is not only God's Waiting Room, but also Darwin's Checkout Line.


There's also been a surprising increase in HIV cases among older folks and the elderly in Florida. I guess when you're retired and need something to do besides golf... and you don't have to prevent pregnancy anymore...

/ew.
 
2013-02-12 01:53:43 PM
www.thegatewaypundit.com

We only know about these hospital readmission rates due to Medicare's Hospital Readmissions Reduction Program, which is part of Obamacare. Thanks, Obama!


In figures released last week, the Congressional Budget Office said it had erased hundreds of billions of dollars in projected spending on Medicare and Medicaid. The budget office now projects that spending on those two programs in 2020 will be about $200 billion, or 15 percent, less than it projected three years ago. New data also show overall health care spending growth continuing at the lowest rate in decades for a fourth consecutive year.  -- The Damn' Libtard New York Times
 
2013-02-12 01:54:45 PM
Old people and STDS is my guess.
 
2013-02-12 01:58:39 PM

momalboe: ChipNASA: momalboe: ChipNASA: momalboe: Since my son just died after spending 33 days in the ICU, I am not getting a kick out of these replies. :(

We understand. We've been there.

[i.imgur.com image 720x538]

Thanks for making me laugh. :)

I'm glad you didn't reach through the internet and beat my ass. (It was a touchy call to post that) ;-D hug

/losing a child is an unnatural thing. sorry.

Luckily, my sense of humor did not die with him.  This was one of his favorites (his name was Carl):  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNHQZTxo78I


I just clicked that. I have no idea why I have never seen awesomeness before. So major thanks to your kid for enlightening me.
 
2013-02-12 01:59:36 PM

The 4chan Psychiatrist: My favorite experience with regards to readmissions was inpatient medicine at the VA.  We were literally a revolving door for CHF and COPD patients.  The reason being, we were able to restrict their diet on the wards, which largely controlled the CHF exacerbations, and take away their smokes, which controlled the COPD.

When they were discharged, they would resume their unhealthy habits, and thus ensure that they would come back soon.  So, if someone would care to offer a non-totalitarian solution to this problem, and yes, we did inform the patients of the role their habits played in their illnesses, the medical community would appreciate it.


require more than 3 hours of nutritional classes for all doctors and all medical fields would be a start.  offer some nutritional information to patients as well. Neither of these will work though because nutrition doesn't pay a doctor, medicine does.  Even when that medicine doesn't work, they still get paid.

why do patients keep going back to smoking/over eating?  it's called a habit.  get rid of the trigger and the habit will change.

too many non-informed and un-intersted people on both medical side and general public.
 
2013-02-12 02:00:01 PM

The 4chan Psychiatrist: My favorite experience with regards to readmissions was inpatient medicine at the VA.  We were literally a revolving door for CHF and COPD patients.  The reason being, we were able to restrict their diet on the wards, which largely controlled the CHF exacerbations, and take away their smokes, which controlled the COPD.

When they were discharged, they would resume their unhealthy habits, and thus ensure that they would come back soon.  So, if someone would care to offer a non-totalitarian solution to this problem, and yes, we did inform the patients of the role their habits played in their illnesses, the medical community would appreciate it.


DNRTT, but I'm guessing a surprising number of readmissions are related to things like this as well as not taking their meds properly.  I know of a few hospitals that are working with local pharmacies to help ensure the patient understands their regimen by turning that over to the local pharmacist.  They actually pay the pharmacist to come in, explain the meds, and give them their first fill.  That way they've got a better chance of that patient sticking to it and not coming back.  Financially, this actually costs less than the readmissions, plus patient safety is increased as they're actually doing what they're supposed to.

Doesn't help unhealthy eating habits, though.
 
2013-02-12 02:01:41 PM

ChipNASA: You can't have Hospice without Hospital.....


wasn't Hospice the name of the long, lost Spice Girl?
 
2013-02-12 02:02:20 PM

DrRatchet: [www.thegatewaypundit.com image 250x358]

We only know about these hospital readmission rates due to Medicare's Hospital Readmissions Reduction Program, which is part of Obamacare. Thanks, Obama!


In figures released last week, the Congressional Budget Office said it had erased hundreds of billions of dollars in projected spending on Medicare and Medicaid. The budget office now projects that spending on those two programs in 2020 will be about $200 billion, or 15 percent, less than it projected three years ago. New data also show overall health care spending growth continuing at the lowest rate in decades for a fourth consecutive year.  -- The Damn' Libtard New York Times


Seriously.... I wish there was a way to ration healthcare without taking it away from those who actually need it. If someone shows up at the ER with a cold or a stubbed toe, the staff should be allowed to punch them. I bet that would cut down on BS visits
 
2013-02-12 02:04:24 PM
Hospital pan, hospital pan
What's it like
It's not important
Hospital pan
 
2013-02-12 02:08:36 PM
What's your vector, victor?

/Gees did no one get the reference in the headline?
//or don't ya speak jive?
 
2013-02-12 02:13:13 PM

Unda: Hospitals don't admit for trivialities anymore. If you're admitted, you probably have something going on that would kill you without treatment. Is it any wonder then that you're a) probably not going to be completely cured on the first visit, or b) treatment will carry significant risks?



Well hopefully these wonderful health institutions have stopped routinely prescribing Proton Pump Inhibitors (Prilosec, Prevacid, Nexium, Aciphex, etc) for virtually every patient they admit.

The increased risk for hospital acquired pneumonia that they cause was needlessly killing about 33,000 Americans every year.


/To your health!
 
2013-02-12 02:21:43 PM
What percentage of those are people in the last third of their life who are now being treated for chronic diseases and losing the battle?

/because those are frequent fliers no matter how good the treatment
 
2013-02-12 02:23:24 PM

The 4chan Psychiatrist: The reason being, we were able to restrict their diet on the wards, which largely controlled the CHF exacerbations.... When they were discharged, they would resume their unhealthy habits, and thus ensure that they would come back soon

.

Did anyone check to see that a CHF diet was available to these people at home? It's not a given. If someone is partially disabled or depending on assistance for food, or just not doing their own shopping and cooking (and I suspect most CHF patients fall into those catigories) then they are likely eating what they are served.

QueenMamaBee: Seriously.... I wish there was a way to ration healthcare without taking it away from those who actually need it. If someone shows up at the ER with a cold or a stubbed toe, the staff should be allowed to punch them. I bet that would cut down on BS visits


My wife just finished working on a hospital readmission reduction program. A few things I gleaned from her sleep-talking... One, there are FAR more readmissions then what the stats show. If you are discharged from a hospital, collapse in the street, and the ambulance takes you to an ER at a different hospital, that isn't counted as a re-admit (it will be in the future, though.)

The readmissions she was working with were things like patients being sent home with prescriptions in bottles written in a language they cannot read, with no instructions or followup. One patient in particular dumped all his meds in a bowl, and whenever he felt bad, he reached in and took a few. Other patients just skipped theirs entirely. Or would choose to buy "food" rather than "Medicine" as it was an either/or proposition for them. Or they couldn't open the bottle. All these readmits were avoidable. None were BS.
 
2013-02-12 02:23:28 PM

Amos Quito: Unda: Hospitals don't admit for trivialities anymore. If you're admitted, you probably have something going on that would kill you without treatment. Is it any wonder then that you're a) probably not going to be completely cured on the first visit, or b) treatment will carry significant risks?


Well hopefully these wonderful health institutions have stopped routinely prescribing Proton Pump Inhibitors (Prilosec, Prevacid, Nexium, Aciphex, etc) for virtually every patient they admit.

The increased risk for hospital acquired pneumonia that they cause was needlessly killing about 33,000 Americans every year.


/To your health!


And you replied to me with that... why?

The difference between science based medicine and all the other crap out there is that science based medicine changes in response to statistically significant data. The only claims to infallibility are come from straw man arguments.
 
2013-02-12 02:32:27 PM

Tran Forsythe: Something to consider... the statistics might be skewed by the increased octogenarian population.

/translation: old people need more repeat visits to the hospital than younger folks.


The more general problem with focus on any given divorced-from-context statistic is that people will try to game the stat. Same as 'No Child Left Behind' or any of a hundred other statistical measures put in by oh-so-clever politicians. I had at least one surgeon bluntly tell my mother, when she was dying of cancer, that'd he'd be willing to do a high-risk surgery on her (very low chance of cure, mostly palliative), but the hospital and insurance weren't going to approve something that might lower their 'stats'.
 
2013-02-12 02:41:42 PM

Shaggy0717: ChipNASA: You can't have Hospice without Hospital.....

wasn't Hospice the name of the long, lost Spice Girl?


I think Ho was the middle name of all 5
 
2013-02-12 02:45:21 PM

basemetal: What percentage of those are people in the last third of their life who are now being treated for chronic diseases and losing the battle?

/because those are frequent fliers no matter how good the treatment


Last third?
90% of all healthcare dollars are spent in the 1st and last years of life.  80% on the last year alone.
 
2013-02-12 02:48:19 PM

DrRatchet: My wife just finished working on a hospital readmission reduction program. A few things I gleaned from her sleep-talking... One, there are FAR more readmissions then what the stats show. If you are discharged from a hospital, collapse in the street, and the ambulance takes you to an ER at a different hospital, that isn't counted as a re-admit (it will be in the future, though.)

The readmissions she was working with were things like patients being sent home with prescriptions in bottles written in a language they cannot read, with no instructions or followup. One patient in particular dumped all his meds in a bowl, and whenever he felt bad, he reached in and took a few. Other patients just skipped theirs entirely. Or would choose to buy "food" rather than "Medicine" as it was an either/or proposition for them. Or they couldn't open the bottle. All these readmits were avoidable. None were BS


During my short stay of working the ER, we had people who would regularly bring in their entire families to be checked out when one had a cold. Or someone would come in when they "felt bad for the past six months." Of course, we also had the druggies who would request Demerol from whoever walked in the door, including housekeeping. I truly wish something could be done for the people like your wife was referring to, instead of wasting good money on people like the ones I mentioned, who were all either Medicaid or hospital charity cases.
 
2013-02-12 02:58:45 PM

Unda: Amos Quito: Unda: Hospitals don't admit for trivialities anymore. If you're admitted, you probably have something going on that would kill you without treatment. Is it any wonder then that you're a) probably not going to be completely cured on the first visit, or b) treatment will carry significant risks?


Well hopefully these wonderful health institutions have stopped routinely prescribing Proton Pump Inhibitors (Prilosec, Prevacid, Nexium, Aciphex, etc) for virtually every patient they admit.

The increased risk for hospital acquired pneumonia that they cause was needlessly killing about 33,000 Americans every year.


/To your health!

And you replied to me with that... why?

The difference between science based medicine and all the other crap out there is that science based medicine changes in response to statistically significant data. The only claims to infallibility are come from straw man arguments.



The post wasn't intended to insult you personally. Please don't misconstrue.

"Science", in it's pure form, is a wonderful thing - unfortunately, this is a rare and elusive creature, as most of what we call "science" is polluted with prejudice, preconceived notions, egos, and the pursuit of fame, power, and the almighty dollar.
 
2013-02-12 03:23:16 PM

Amos Quito: Unda: Amos Quito: Unda: Hospitals don't admit for trivialities anymore. If you're admitted, you probably have something going on that would kill you without treatment. Is it any wonder then that you're a) probably not going to be completely cured on the first visit, or b) treatment will carry significant risks?


Well hopefully these wonderful health institutions have stopped routinely prescribing Proton Pump Inhibitors (Prilosec, Prevacid, Nexium, Aciphex, etc) for virtually every patient they admit.

The increased risk for hospital acquired pneumonia that they cause was needlessly killing about 33,000 Americans every year.


/To your health!

And you replied to me with that... why?

The difference between science based medicine and all the other crap out there is that science based medicine changes in response to statistically significant data. The only claims to infallibility are come from straw man arguments.


The post wasn't intended to insult you personally. Please don't misconstrue.

"Science", in it's pure form, is a wonderful thing - unfortunately, this is a rare and elusive creature, as most of what we call "science" is polluted with prejudice, preconceived notions, egos, and the pursuit of fame, power, and the almighty dollar.


May the Almighty Dollar protect and save us.

Amen.
 
2013-02-12 03:24:25 PM

ChipNASA: saturn badger: ChipNASA: I totally have no idea what I watched but it was oddly funny and odd and funny and odd.

Agreed. Episode two is just as twisted.

OMG there are MANY Llama with Hats.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpjyH-LkEAg

Cruise Ship Edition....these are really odd, strange and funny.


DO NOT miss this one. It is the best I have seen after watching several.

Who likes raw faces?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJixW2u4IvQ
 
2013-02-12 03:28:09 PM

saturn badger: ChipNASA: saturn badger: ChipNASA: I totally have no idea what I watched but it was oddly funny and odd and funny and odd.

Agreed. Episode two is just as twisted.

OMG there are MANY Llama with Hats.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpjyH-LkEAg

Cruise Ship Edition....these are really odd, strange and funny.

DO NOT miss this one. It is the best I have seen after watching several.

Who likes raw faces?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJixW2u4IvQ


I had to find and watch all 5.

Too bad there aren't more.

MOAR Llamas with Hats
 
2013-02-12 03:29:52 PM

saturn badger: ChipNASA: saturn badger: ChipNASA: I totally have no idea what I watched but it was oddly funny and odd and funny and odd.

Agreed. Episode two is just as twisted.

OMG there are MANY Llama with Hats.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpjyH-LkEAg

Cruise Ship Edition....these are really odd, strange and funny.

DO NOT miss this one. It is the best I have seen after watching several.

Who likes raw faces?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJixW2u4IvQ


Obviously there's a miscommunication.
 
2013-02-12 04:19:20 PM

Banned on the Run: basemetal: What percentage of those are people in the last third of their life who are now being treated for chronic diseases and losing the battle?

/because those are frequent fliers no matter how good the treatment

Last third?
90% of all healthcare dollars are spent in the 1st and last years of life.  80% on the last year alone.


The last years of your life are in the final third of your life.....
 
2013-02-12 04:22:48 PM
Fun fact about the US health system -- there are more government-run hospitals in the US (1,253) than there are for-profit hospitals in the US (1,025), but the majority are run by non-profit charities (2,903).

I mean, it could be that these largely non-profit and government-run hospitals in Florida are operating on a profit-based motives that make them want to not cure people or, just maybe, it could be that Florida is full of old people.
 
2013-02-12 04:27:53 PM

ChipNASA: saturn badger: ChipNASA: saturn badger: ChipNASA: I totally have no idea what I watched but it was oddly funny and odd and funny and odd.

Agreed. Episode two is just as twisted.

OMG there are MANY Llama with Hats.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpjyH-LkEAg

Cruise Ship Edition....these are really odd, strange and funny.

DO NOT miss this one. It is the best I have seen after watching several.

Who likes raw faces?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJixW2u4IvQ

I had to find and watch all 5.

Too bad there aren't more.

MOAR Llamas with Hats


I thought it was the Pope that wore funny hats, not the Dalai Llama?
 
2013-02-12 04:32:07 PM
Amos Quito:

The post wasn't intended to insult you personally. Please don't misconstrue.

"Science", in it's pure form, is a wonderful thing - unfortunately, this is a rare and elusive creature, as most of what we call "science" is polluted with prejudice, preconceived notions, egos, and the pursuit of fame, power, and the almighty dollar.


But what is the alternative? All the branches of AltMed are polluted by the same problems to a much worse degree, with none of the benefits of even attempting to collect data to back up their claims. Who on earth better exemplifies "prejudice, preconceived notions, egos, and the pursuit of fame, power, and the almighty dollar " better than charlatans like Burzyski or Mercola or Wakefield?
 
2013-02-12 06:36:48 PM

Amos Quito: So... repeat business =  high customer satisfaction.

Right?


Somewhat. Every patient I've met wants to get home ASAP. However at the same time we get dinged for re-admits. Personally I don't think re-admits are a bad thing. A lot of healing can happen at home and having to re-admit is part of that.

/Most people want to die at home too and not in a hospital.
 
2013-02-12 07:45:08 PM
RULE #1:

GOMERS DON'T DIE
 
2013-02-12 07:52:00 PM
i1171.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-12 09:06:13 PM
I'm a nurse at a long term care/ rehabilitation facility. It's amazing the admits we get from hospitals that have no business being released to us yet. They come with CDiff(even tho the hospital says they tested negative), poor respirations, etc. Its often we have to send them back to the hospital within a week for the same reason they went to begin with.
It's not fair to the patient. When they come to our place to rehab they should be ready not ready enough.
 
2013-02-12 09:37:53 PM
Not trolling here but I seriously do wonder how much of the re-admit is due to the insurance cos pushing hospitals to get people out the door ASAP? The last two surgeries I had were joint related and I was sent home the same day whereas my gall bladder surgery had a three day stay.
 
2013-02-12 10:20:02 PM
QueenMamaBee: ......
Seriously.... I wish there was a way to ration healthcare without taking it away from those who actually need it. If someone shows up at the ER with a cold or a stubbed toe, the staff should be allowed to punch them. I bet that would cut down on BS visits

This!
 
2013-02-12 10:20:38 PM

lyanna96: How large is the elderly population there in Retirement-land?  That's going to inflate their rates.  Also how many people are going to get a free meal (homeless) in their E.R.?  Drug seekers with back pain, finger pain, toe pain, toothache, etc?


HA! Shows what you know! That'd be close to zero. Docs won't let us feed anyone until they've been worked up, and these days the kitchen has very limited hours. If they stick around long enough in the ER they might get graham crackers or saltines, maybe some apple sauce. That's it. That's all I've got for anyone. If I'm really lucky and the stars align, I might have a few bowls of microwave broth available, but the homeless almost never get those.
 
2013-02-12 10:26:46 PM

Unda: Hospitals don't admit for trivialities anymore. If you're admitted, you probably have something going on that would kill you without treatment. Is it any wonder then that you're a) probably not going to be completely cured on the first visit, or b) treatment will carry significant risks?


Mostly correct. More so than used to be, but I still see plenty of WTF admits.
 
2013-02-12 10:33:23 PM

QueenMamaBee: DrRatchet: [www.thegatewaypundit.com image 250x358]

We only know about these hospital readmission rates due to Medicare's Hospital Readmissions Reduction Program, which is part of Obamacare. Thanks, Obama!


In figures released last week, the Congressional Budget Office said it had erased hundreds of billions of dollars in projected spending on Medicare and Medicaid. The budget office now projects that spending on those two programs in 2020 will be about $200 billion, or 15 percent, less than it projected three years ago. New data also show overall health care spending growth continuing at the lowest rate in decades for a fourth consecutive year.  -- The Damn' Libtard New York Times

Seriously.... I wish there was a way to ration healthcare without taking it away from those who actually need it. If someone shows up at the ER with a cold or a stubbed toe, the staff should be allowed to punch them. I bet that would cut down on BS visits


If only!
 
2013-02-12 10:34:16 PM

LtDarkstar: What's your vector, victor?

/Gees did no one get the reference in the headline?
//or don't ya speak jive?


You sound like you like movies about gladiators.
 
2013-02-12 10:39:40 PM

meanmutton: Fun fact about the US health system -- there are more government-run hospitals in the US (1,253) than there are for-profit hospitals in the US (1,025), but the majority are run by non-profit charities (2,903).

I mean, it could be that these largely non-profit and government-run hospitals in Florida are operating on a profit-based motives that make them want to not cure people or, just maybe, it could be that Florida is full of old people.


Those "non-profit charities" are run very similarly to for-profit corporations. They operate on profit-based motives.
 
2013-02-12 10:45:16 PM

Medic Zero: lyanna96: How large is the elderly population there in Retirement-land?  That's going to inflate their rates.  Also how many people are going to get a free meal (homeless) in their E.R.?  Drug seekers with back pain, finger pain, toe pain, toothache, etc?

HA! Shows what you know! That'd be close to zero. Docs won't let us feed anyone until they've been worked up, and these days the kitchen has very limited hours. If they stick around long enough in the ER they might get graham crackers or saltines, maybe some apple sauce. That's it. That's all I've got for anyone. If I'm really lucky and the stars align, I might have a few bowls of microwave broth available, but the homeless almost never get those.


I'm sorry to disagree but where I work it's cold and from fall to spring we get homeless who come in two or three times a week with made up complaints that will not preclude them from asking for a sandwich, drink and blanket.
 
2013-02-13 02:33:33 AM
What percentage of hospital readmission are various things might "might" make some interesting reading such as:

% cared for by hospitalists v. private docs
% HMO v non HMO
% Medicaid or indigent v insurance
% under 50 v % over 75 etc and various ages older and younger
% who understood their discharge instructions
% who actually think they got discharge instructions
% smokers
% more than one drink a day alcoholics
% recurrence or nonresolution of the original problem v. a new unrelated problem.
etc

I can't help but wonder if the hospital readmit rates do not need to be studied for subgroupings such as these and not just the broad category
 
2013-02-13 06:35:00 AM
QueenMamaBee:

During my short stay of working the ER, we had people who would regularly bring in their entire families to be checked out when one had a cold. Or someone would come in when they "felt bad for the past six months." Of course, we also had the druggies who would request Demerol from whoever walked in the door, including housekeeping. I truly wish something could be done for the people like your wife was referring to, instead of wasting good money on people like the ones I mentioned, who were all either Medicaid or hospital charity cases.

Many many moons ago when you had to get your primary care doc's permission to go to the ER (for insurance purposes), I worked for a medical answering service.  Every farking Friday night at 6pm on, we'd get multiple calls from people who'd say "I've had a cold/fever/sore throat/stomach ache for 3 days and I have to go to the ER NOW!"

We got yelled at a lot---either from the doctors on call ("don't bother me with those inconsiderate asshats---they could have been seen in the last 3 days during office hours!") or from the patients ("what do you mean he said no?  I've been sick for days!!!").  Urgh.

Hated working Friday nights.
 
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