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(NYPost)   If you're going to carry an illegal loaded semiautomatic firearm in NYC, it is probably best to not press your luck by trying to beat a $2 subway fare   (nypost.com) divider line 52
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2013-02-12 12:45:49 PM  
7 votes:
In any sane locale cheating the fare would be a far bigger crime than carrying a constitutionally protected tool.
2013-02-12 12:55:24 PM  
5 votes:

qorkfiend: atomicmask: How did that gun get by the gun free zone bubble around wonderful liberal utopia NYC? That seems impossible.

Do you have any idea how stupid you make yourself look when you say things like that?


Certainly no more stupid than the people who wrote those laws.
2013-02-12 03:03:40 PM  
3 votes:

kmark: Rapmaster2000

This is what the subway is like. All of New York is like this actually.

It's really not.  Even late at night the subway is pretty tame these days.  What you do see is the occasional shoving match getting on and off the train, and someone yelling because someone won't get out of their way.  And, sometimes, you get a ranty crazy person who lectures the car about terrorists or not having a job or how we're all going to Hell or whatever, but it isn't a big deal, and it happens pretty infrequently.

Still, it would be a bad idea to carry a gun on the subway--sometimes I get these red-mist rages over someone who keeps bumping into me with their purse or who won't take their backpack off when we're packed together during rush hour (I'm actually feeling my heart rate go up writing about it).  I never do anything about it, but I think the temptation might be to much for someone who was unbalanced.


This is called projection.  You don't trust YOURSELF with a gun so you can't possibly comprehend how someone else could be.  This "red mist rage" you refer to is a phenomenon I have never experienced.  

Just because YOU can't handle the responsibility of a firearm shouldn't mean NO one can.
2013-02-12 02:04:58 PM  
3 votes:

captainktainer: blunttrauma: Dear Moron, please list jurisdictions where "Straw purchases" are legal. (Hint see 27 CFR § 478.29)

Every jurisdiction without gun registration and gun shows without background checks. Without that, the legislation is toothless. Straw purchases are not federally illegal for used guns.


Wrong.  You need to stop listening to your mayor, he is an idiot.

It is a federal crime for a non-licensee, that is someone without a Federal Firearms License, to go to a neighboring state and buy a handgun.  I even cited the relevant federal code.  A FFL holder will not sell you a handgun if you are not a resident of the state where the FFL is licensed.  If he does, he and you are committing a crime.  He may sell you a rifle, but you must fill out a 4473 and pass a NICS check (or the local equivalent) and the transaction must be legal in both states.  I don't know if NY allows it, but I doubt it, I know California doesn't, and there may be others.

A firearms transaction that crosses a state line has to have a FFL involved, otherwise it is a federal crime.  If you lie and say you are a local resident and buy from an individual in a neighboring state, you have committed a federal crime, and the guy who sold it to you is a moron for not exercising due diligence in verifying residence, and if he know you were not a resident, he committed a crime as well.

A straw purchase is actually different, that is where a non-prohibited person buys a firearm for someone else.  It is also a federal crime.
2013-02-12 01:33:45 PM  
3 votes:
captainktainer:
Although our gun-related death rate is lower than almost every other city in the country, with a total chance to be murdered per year equal to .005%, guns from jurisdictions that still enable straw purchases and gun shows do still sometimes make their way into the city. This is one of the side effects of allowing unfettered traffic of goods across state lines, which is why New York representatives and senators are supportive of anti-trafficking measures.

Dear Moron, please list jurisdictions where "Straw purchases" are legal.  (Hint see 27 CFR  § 478.29)
2013-02-12 01:21:01 PM  
3 votes:

captainktainer: atomicmask: How did that gun get by the gun free zone bubble around wonderful liberal utopia NYC? That seems impossible.

Dear moron:

Although our gun-related death rate is lower than almost every other city in the country, with a total chance to be murdered per year equal to .005%,


Dear other moron:  The total chance to be murdered in my city is equal to 0.0021%.  And that's by all causes, and we have more guns than you do.
2013-02-12 01:14:12 PM  
3 votes:

atomicmask: How did that gun get by the gun free zone bubble around wonderful liberal utopia NYC? That seems impossible.


Dear moron:

Although our gun-related death rate is lower than almost every other city in the country, with a total chance to be murdered per year equal to .005%, guns from jurisdictions that still enable straw purchases and gun shows do still sometimes make their way into the city. This is one of the side effects of allowing unfettered traffic of goods across state lines, which is why New York representatives and senators are supportive of anti-trafficking measures. On top of that, you can absolutely get a permit for a gun in New York City if you can show you're not likely to go shoot up a school. I know several people who own firearms, perfectly legally, and nobody cares and it wasn't a big hassle because they aren't criminals.
2013-02-12 12:46:31 PM  
3 votes:
Do illegal things 1 at a time
2013-02-12 02:32:18 PM  
2 votes:

captainktainer: dittybopper: captainktainer: atomicmask: How did that gun get by the gun free zone bubble around wonderful liberal utopia NYC? That seems impossible.

Dear moron:

Although our gun-related death rate is lower than almost every other city in the country, with a total chance to be murdered per year equal to .005%,

Dear other moron:  The total chance to be murdered in my city is equal to 0.0021%.  And that's by all causes, and we have more guns than you do.

Congratulations on your podunk town in the middle of nowhere?


Heh.  I laugh every time someone from NYC says something like this.  There really isn't very much you can do in NYC that I can't do in my podunk town in the middle of nowhere, and an awful lot of things I can do that you can't.  Like order something with trans fats, or a 32 ounce soda, or hell, buy a gun without spending hundreds of dollars and waiting months just for the privilege

For those few things where NYC actually does have an advantage that can't be satisfied by some sort of telepresense, I can take the train and visit.

I mean, the monthly rent on a studio apartment in Manhattan costs more than the mortgage on my house, plus my utilities, plus a car payment, plus my car insurance, and gas to travel to work.  And if I want to visit NYC, I can buy a round trip train ticket for a relative pittance.

Why would I live there?  Pretty much all the culture, arts, and all of the positives can be experienced either with a short visit, or remotely (we got this thing called the Intarwebs, you should check it out).  There really isn't any incentive for me to live there.  Even if you were to double my current salary, my standard of living would actually go *DOWN* by moving there.
2013-02-12 02:01:47 PM  
2 votes:

JesseL: In any sane locale cheating the fare would be a far bigger crime than carrying a constitutionally protected tool.


We aint talkn' Montana son.  Montana with it's 6.9/sq mi is no match for NY's

HERE -

Montana = 6.9 people / SQ MI VS NYC = 26,402 people/ SQ MI
So what makes sense in NYC doesn't in Montana.  In Montana there are regularly Bears, Moose, a stray Elk or two and drunken bandits and cowboys on main street (so I'm told - no direct experience)

In New York you have celebrities, the insanely rich, cab drivers trying to make a buck, CEO's, Politicians of every stripe from every country, shop owners, Graphic Artists and waitresses cops and more than a few hustlers.

In short there is no comparison - which if you ask me, makes it nearly impossible to develop an intelligent weapons policy to fit the whole nation.
While NY doesn't try to make rules for the whole place, only for NY, what passes for reasonably intelligent in Montana can't realistically be applied to NYC -

In theory the very same type of slug you fire in Montana, if it misses it's target will fall to the ground, in NYC it'd go across the island to the atlantic after hitting an untold number of people and houses, factories, cars, you name it.

Good luck to any congress trying to figure this out with their limited intellect.
2013-02-12 01:26:12 PM  
2 votes:

Stomponfoot: semiautomatic? What do people still carry around muskets and flintlock pistols?


Yeah - that kind of headline always irritated me.  That the gun was loaded is really kind of the default.  The difference between a double-action revolver and a semiautomatic is really kind of minimal.  Unless it was something like a sawed-off shotgun or highly unusual, like an AR-15 pistol, then really, "loaded" and "semi-automatic" are really there just to be inflammatory.
2013-02-12 01:11:10 PM  
2 votes:

qorkfiend: atomicmask: How did that gun get by the gun free zone bubble around wonderful liberal utopia NYC? That seems impossible.

Do you have any idea how stupid you make yourself look when you say things like that?


As stupid as the people who like to say "another responsible gun owner" look?
2013-02-12 01:00:07 PM  
2 votes:

orclover: Sadly, hand cannons tend to make some people extra cocky.  If you carry one long enough you tend to figure out that its not there making you feel bigger than you are, its there to remind you that your involved in something that having a gun was a good idea.  Then you start thinking about where you life choices went wrong and you hopefully get the fark out of that life.  I have known pleanty of idiots who thought having a couple guns strapped to them meant they were the king of the block.


Since this is an anonymous forum, I feel that I can say that I have a CHL without appearing to be going for tough guy points.

Funny enough, carrying has had the exact opposite effect on me. I was never a hugely confrontational guy to begin with, but I've become extraordinarily passive and excessively polite when I'm out and about, ever since I started carrying.

Outside of my military service and my time as a paramedic, I've never been in a fight or direct violent confrontation in my life. I don't plan on that ever happening either. Having said that, I am *extremely* conscious of the fact that I am carrying and that if someone were to start up with me (physically), my firearm would likely become involved. In that scenario, I want the timeline to be  astoundingly clear that I was not the one to begin, to extend or to egg on the confrontation in  any way.
2013-02-12 12:48:53 PM  
2 votes:
Question: Anyone know if the guy had any priors?

If he is the kinda guy with felonies to his name, I would be applauding New York.

If he is just a citizen who was carrying to protect himself for whatever reason, I find this story incredibly sad.
2013-02-12 12:45:27 PM  
2 votes:
PATH train isn't the subway subby.
2013-02-13 05:42:31 PM  
1 votes:

Noticeably F.A.T.: dittybopper: Have you tried Triple Seven powder?

I haven't, but I'll look into it, thanks.

Mr.BobDobalita: There's just no way for private citizens to check. There is no way they could be allowed access to the NCIS database.

Not entirely true. You can take your private transaction to someone with an FFL and pay to have them run the check (basically the same thing you have to do to ship a gun). That's still not your average joe having direct access to the system, but a private sale can still include a BG check.

downtownkid: How about the "private sales at gun shows loophole"?

Often not allowed, or at least not without a BG check. There are no shows here in CO you can go to and legally buy/sell a gun without a check (not even out in the parking lot). I suppose you could make a deal at the show then drive somewhere else, but how is that any different than finding a gun in a classified ad, fire sale, auction, bumping into someone at Starbucks, etc.? I suppose you could make private sales (or private sales without a check) illegal, bot how in the fark would you ever enforce it? These are transactions that by their very nature are untraceable unless the people involved want to make it traceable, and those are the people you don't need to worry about.


If you check the link I posted above, there are 33 states where there is no regulation on private sales at gun shows. I'm surprised to hear that private sales are not common at gun shows because my experience has been entirely the opposite.

I think guns should be registered and insured just like an automobile is.
2013-02-13 04:17:45 PM  
1 votes:

dittybopper: downtownkid: dittybopper: downtownkid: You're playing with semantics here.  The fact is that in many states you can go to a gun show and very easily purchase a gun with no background check whatsoever.  Yes, the licensed dealers there are required to do background checks but there are great numbers of private sellers at these events.  It could not possibly be simpler to do.  The whole "there is no gun show loophole" idea is an NRA talking point that is dishonest and misleading.

Then let's be honest and call it the "private sales loophole".

How about the "private sales at gun shows loophole"?

What happens when, as happened in New York years ago, that particular "loophole" gets closed?

You'll then eventually be arguing what New York recently passed:  Ban all private sales without a background check, which means all sales *MUST* go through an FFL.

Fark you.  I've been lied to for years about this.



If your stance is that private sales must be allowed with no paperwork or regulation then we are fundamentally opposed on the issue.
2013-02-13 04:16:09 PM  
1 votes:

Mr.BobDobalita: downtownkid: Mr.BobDobalita: heavymetal: atomicmask: How did that gun get by the gun free zone bubble around wonderful liberal utopia NYC? That seems impossible.

He bought it at a gun show so he could avoid the background check due to him being a felon.

You do realize that dealers at shows have to run background checks through the NCIS system?  The "gun show loophole" is not existent. What people refer to the "loophole" is a private sale.  Person to person.  Yes, some people acquire them this way, but to say it's from a gun show is rather ignorant.  It's still illegal on a federal level to sell a firearm to a felon or other person who shouldn't have one.  There's just no way for private citizens to check.  There is no way they could be allowed access to the NCIS database.

That's the REAL reason there's the loophole. There's NO WAY they're going to let joe public into that database.  

The solution could be to force all sales to go through a FFL, but I don't know if people would go for that.


You're playing with semantics here.  The fact is that in many states you can go to a gun show and very easily purchase a gun with no background check whatsoever.  Yes, the licensed dealers there are required to do background checks but there are great numbers of private sellers at these events.  It could not possibly be simpler to do.  The whole "there is no gun show loophole" idea is an NRA talking point that is dishonest and misleading.

So you have done this?   Have you seen this done?   I'm curious as to where you are getting your information from.  All the gun shows I"ve been to require you to be a firearms dealer (FFL) to sell guns there.  You can get a table and hock your wares that are related to guns, rednecks, etc....   but you can't sell guns there unless you are a private individual.  I'm not saying there aren't people around trying to sell grandpa's rifle or something, but as I said, I"m curious where you're getting your info from, or if you're just trumpeting a ...



A quick search indicates that there are 33 States where it is possible to buy guns from private individuals at gun shows with no background check.  I'm the furthest thing from being anti-gun, and am actually a bit of an aficionado.  However the gun show loophole makes a joke out of the notion of all other gun regulation.
2013-02-13 04:00:43 PM  
1 votes:

Mr.BobDobalita: downtownkid: Mr.BobDobalita: heavymetal: atomicmask: How did that gun get by the gun free zone bubble around wonderful liberal utopia NYC? That seems impossible.

He bought it at a gun show so he could avoid the background check due to him being a felon.

You do realize that dealers at shows have to run background checks through the NCIS system?  The "gun show loophole" is not existent. What people refer to the "loophole" is a private sale.  Person to person.  Yes, some people acquire them this way, but to say it's from a gun show is rather ignorant.  It's still illegal on a federal level to sell a firearm to a felon or other person who shouldn't have one.  There's just no way for private citizens to check.  There is no way they could be allowed access to the NCIS database.

That's the REAL reason there's the loophole. There's NO WAY they're going to let joe public into that database.  

The solution could be to force all sales to go through a FFL, but I don't know if people would go for that.


You're playing with semantics here.  The fact is that in many states you can go to a gun show and very easily purchase a gun with no background check whatsoever.  Yes, the licensed dealers there are required to do background checks but there are great numbers of private sellers at these events.  It could not possibly be simpler to do.  The whole "there is no gun show loophole" idea is an NRA talking point that is dishonest and misleading.

So you have done this?   Have you seen this done?   I'm curious as to where you are getting your information from.  All the gun shows I"ve been to require you to be a firearms dealer (FFL) to sell guns there.  You can get a table and hock your wares that are related to guns, rednecks, etc....   but you can't sell guns there unless you are a private individual.  I'm not saying there aren't people around trying to sell grandpa's rifle or something, but as I said, I"m curious where you're getting your info from, or if you're just trumpeting a ...


I have both done this and seen it done.  Bought a Starfire .380 at a show in Ohio and  a Smith and Wesson .357 from a Louisiana State Policeman at a show down there.  Not sure what shows you go to but every one I've attended is packed with private sellers.  As a matter of fact, although gun shows have been around forever it was illegal for anyone holding an FFL to sell at a show prior to the FOPA being enected in 1986.  Prior to that it was exclusively private dealers.  Now they generally run about 50/50 Private sellers and licensed dealers.
2013-02-13 09:51:12 AM  
1 votes:

Mr.BobDobalita: heavymetal: atomicmask: How did that gun get by the gun free zone bubble around wonderful liberal utopia NYC? That seems impossible.

He bought it at a gun show so he could avoid the background check due to him being a felon.

You do realize that dealers at shows have to run background checks through the NCIS system?  The "gun show loophole" is not existent. What people refer to the "loophole" is a private sale.  Person to person.  Yes, some people acquire them this way, but to say it's from a gun show is rather ignorant.  It's still illegal on a federal level to sell a firearm to a felon or other person who shouldn't have one.  There's just no way for private citizens to check.  There is no way they could be allowed access to the NCIS database.

That's the REAL reason there's the loophole. There's NO WAY they're going to let joe public into that database.  

The solution could be to force all sales to go through a FFL, but I don't know if people would go for that.



You're playing with semantics here.  The fact is that in many states you can go to a gun show and very easily purchase a gun with no background check whatsoever.  Yes, the licensed dealers there are required to do background checks but there are great numbers of private sellers at these events.  It could not possibly be simpler to do.  The whole "there is no gun show loophole" idea is an NRA talking point that is dishonest and misleading.
2013-02-12 06:42:26 PM  
1 votes:

Corvus: KidneyStone: Corvus: I was told by gun nuts that no one ever gets arrested for possessing illegal guns. Is that not true?

No gun nut said any such thing. Not seriously, anyhow

So they never say that making guns illegal will do nothing to deter gun crime or criminal with gun ownership? They never say that?


Dude, this is from your own profile:

After being on Fark for a few years, I now understand there are people who don't use facts to come to their conclusions. No matter how many facts you give, they just jump to a new talking point or just make stuff up. They are not uninformed, they are just crazy. I have come to the conclusion that these people need to be ridiculed and to be shown to be wrong so others do not give validity to their made up arguments. I was wrong to think these people were just uninformed.

You need to read your own ramblings
2013-02-12 05:06:43 PM  
1 votes:

Corvus: Dimensio: However, as not all criminals are incarcerated, the answer to the question is of no relevance to the validity of the statement that prohibiting firearm possession does not render criminals physically incapable of possessing firearms.

Hmm I wonder what that sounds like:

Corvus: I was told by gun nuts that no one ever gets arrested for possessing illegal guns. Is that not true?

Wow it sounds very close to the comment people have been saying no one ever says.


Only an irrational or a dishonest individual would claim the two statements to be expressing the same sentiment.
2013-02-12 04:47:47 PM  
1 votes:

Corvus: Dimensio: Corvus: Pathman: Corvus: I was told by gun nuts that no one ever gets arrested for possessing illegal guns. Is that not true?

no.  and no you weren't.
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Umm they pretend it all the time.

You may wish to actually read the captions on the images that you have posted. None state nor imply that no one is ever arrested for "possession of illegal firearms".

So what is it implying then if it's not implying that these laws do nothing to actually make any change of getting weapons off the street?

Please tell me.


The image captions state that prohibiting possession of firearms does not cause criminals to be physically incapable of possessing them. Only an individual of sub-par mental capability would conclude that the captions state that criminals are never arrested for possession of an illegal firearm.
2013-02-12 04:36:54 PM  
1 votes:

Pathman: Corvus: I was told by gun nuts that no one ever gets arrested for possessing illegal guns. Is that not true?

no.  and no you weren't.

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Umm they pretend it all the time.
2013-02-12 04:34:12 PM  
1 votes:

KidneyStone: Corvus: I was told by gun nuts that no one ever gets arrested for possessing illegal guns. Is that not true?

No gun nut said any such thing. Not seriously, anyhow


So they never say that making guns illegal will do nothing to deter gun crime or criminal with gun ownership? They never say that?
2013-02-12 04:28:23 PM  
1 votes:
"This defendant illegally carried a loaded semiautomatic firearm into a public transportation system used by thousands of people every day," Vance said.
"Preventing gun violence is one of my top priorities as district attorney, and I will make sure that this office continues to seek strong sentences for crimes involving firearms."


That is the stupidest thing I have ever read. Lots of people carry weapons near thousands of people every day in my state, sometimes even (gasp!) on public transportation. Furthermore, it is only a crime involving firearms because the government deems it so in that particular area. He wouldn't even have been noted where I live. But in New York City? OMG GUN HURRDURR!

Every time I see something like this I am reminded of why I have no interest in living in cities. It's not even a liberal-conservative thing, it's a "common-sense" thing. You know, the thing that allegedly governs the desire of gun-control people and is, ironically, the one thing that they lack. They put a man away for 7 years for not shooting someone with a gun that nobody even knew he had until he jumped a turnstile over $2.25. I'd rather pay his $2.25 than the $20,000 per year per the next 7 it's going to take to incarcerate him. THAT is "common sense".

You could argue that he broke the law and therefore got what he had coming to him, and you'd be right. I won't argue against you. I will, however, argue that the law is stupid, and the same people that push laws like this to put people in jail for extended periods of time also rail against prison overcrowding and the incarceration of non-violent drug offenders. It's amazing how when it comes to things like drugs, guns, and other hot-button issues, so many people can be wrong about so many things.

But keep fighting the good fight, Mr. Vance. You and the rest of the leadership of New York City are setting a strong example for the country. Why, by putting this guy away you might have saved... nobody. Amazing, I'm doing that right now, and it costs the taxpayer nothing. I've done just as much as Cyrus Vance has.
2013-02-12 04:21:22 PM  
1 votes:

hdhale: Rapmaster2000: [blogs.amctv.com image 560x330]

This is what the subway is like.  All of New York is like this actually.

When that film was made, you didn't have to ride around long to find someone who willing to pull a knife on you if you rode on the wrong line.  Rudy Giuliani spoiled you.  Don't worry though, those times are coming back.  Enjoy.  Meanwhile, I'll be over here, not visiting or spending my tourist dollars in Singapore New York City.


I really doubt those times are coming back when those times can't afford to live in New York.
2013-02-12 04:14:18 PM  
1 votes:

Corvus: I was told by gun nuts that no one ever gets arrested for possessing illegal guns. Is that not true?


Well, if you want to be technical about it, this guy was arrested for illegal possession of a legal gun... but antis think "illegal gun" better suits their cause. Sort of like how they call scary-looking guns "assault weapons."
2013-02-12 02:57:03 PM  
1 votes:

dr-shotgun: orclover: Sadly, hand cannons tend to make some people extra cocky.  If you carry one long enough you tend to figure out that its not there making you feel bigger than you are, its there to remind you that your involved in something that having a gun was a good idea.  Then you start thinking about where you life choices went wrong and you hopefully get the fark out of that life.  I have known pleanty of idiots who thought having a couple guns strapped to them meant they were the king of the block.

Since this is an anonymous forum, I feel that I can say that I have a CHL without appearing to be going for tough guy points.

Funny enough, carrying has had the exact opposite effect on me. I was never a hugely confrontational guy to begin with, but I've become extraordinarily passive and excessively polite when I'm out and about, ever since I started carrying.

Outside of my military service and my time as a paramedic, I've never been in a fight or direct violent confrontation in my life. I don't plan on that ever happening either. Having said that, I am *extremely* conscious of the fact that I am carrying and that if someone were to start up with me (physically), my firearm would likely become involved. In that scenario, I want the timeline to be  astoundingly clear that I was not the one to begin, to extend or to egg on the confrontation in  any way.


Yep... read my post a couple above this one...       Carrying, and being acutely aware you are carryin gives you the carte blanche to walk out of any situation without egg on your face because you know you weren't backing down out of fear.  You were backing down because it's the right thing to do.  That, and shooting someone would seriously ruin your week.
2013-02-12 02:53:52 PM  
1 votes:

orclover: Sadly, hand cannons tend to make some people extra cocky.  If you carry one long enough you tend to figure out that its not there making you feel bigger than you are, its there to remind you that your involved in something that having a gun was a good idea.  Then you start thinking about where you life choices went wrong and you hopefully get the fark out of that life.  I have known pleanty of idiots who thought having a couple guns strapped to them meant they were the king of the block.

Also IMHO if you have a CCL and you have a habit of telling random people that you have a CCL for no discernible reason, then you probably shouldn't have a CCL.


I've found most people I know and interact with feel just the opposite.  Carrying a firearm is a big, BIG responsibility and a lot of people find themselves AVOIDing possible confrontations, etc...   

My favorite tactic for avoiding road rage is pretending that the person tailgating me or cutting me off is taking their pregnant wife to the ER or has some other medical emergency, so I pull over and let them by.  In the past, I may have egged them on just to be a dick.  Matching wits with an idiot doesn't prove very effective

If things get dicey when I'm out and perhaps someone thinks I looked at their GF or something petty and wants to fight, I simply apologize and leave.  In the past, I probably would have gotten sucked into a pissing match to "prove my manhood" but at this point, I just don't want to have to shoot someone.  It's when someone attacks me from behind or refuses to let me disengage/de-escalate that we're going to have problems.

I certainly don't walk around talking trash to anyone/everyone like Billy Badass knowing I have Smith & Wesson to back me up, nor do the many gun owners I know and associate with.
2013-02-12 02:37:13 PM  
1 votes:

dittybopper: Heh. I laugh every time someone from NYC says something like this. There really isn't very much you can do in NYC that I can't do in my podunk town in the middle of nowhere, and an awful lot of things I can do that you can't. Like order something with trans fats, or a 32 ounce soda, or hell, buy a gun without spending hundreds of dollars and waiting months just for the privilege


You could eat out at a nice restaurant and get drinks at a nice bar every day for the rest of the decade in Manhattan without ever going to the same place twice.  You can also walk home instead of DUIing it.  It's just different strokes for different folks.  Clearly, living in Manhattan is in higher demand because living in podunk towns is cheap.
2013-02-12 02:35:13 PM  
1 votes:

dittybopper: captainktainer: dittybopper: captainktainer: atomicmask: How did that gun get by the gun free zone bubble around wonderful liberal utopia NYC? That seems impossible.

Dear moron:

Although our gun-related death rate is lower than almost every other city in the country, with a total chance to be murdered per year equal to .005%,

Dear other moron:  The total chance to be murdered in my city is equal to 0.0021%.  And that's by all causes, and we have more guns than you do.

Congratulations on your podunk town in the middle of nowhere?

Heh.  I laugh every time someone from NYC says something like this.  There really isn't very much you can do in NYC that I can't do in my podunk town in the middle of nowhere, and an awful lot of things I can do that you can't.  Like order something with trans fats, or a 32 ounce soda, or hell, buy a gun without spending hundreds of dollars and waiting months just for the privilege

For those few things where NYC actually does have an advantage that can't be satisfied by some sort of telepresense, I can take the train and visit.

I mean, the monthly rent on a studio apartment in Manhattan costs more than the mortgage on my house, plus my utilities, plus a car payment, plus my car insurance, and gas to travel to work.  And if I want to visit NYC, I can buy a round trip train ticket for a relative pittance.

Why would I live there?  Pretty much all the culture, arts, and all of the positives can be experienced either with a short visit, or remotely (we got this thing called the Intarwebs, you should check it out).  There really isn't any incentive for me to live there.  Even if you were to double my current salary, my standard of living would actually go *DOWN* by moving there.



Maybe if you were smart enough to understand that he pointed out that you were living in the sticks to demonstrate why your comparison of death rates between your hillrat burg and New York City is an invalid one you could make enough to live here.
2013-02-12 02:05:55 PM  
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Wonder if the founding fathers would approve of a guy getting 10 years in jail for carrying a pistol.
2013-02-12 02:02:34 PM  
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FTFA: "Skipping out on a $2.25 subway fare cost this guy 10 years of his life. "

Actually it should say "Illegally carrying a firearm, cost this guy 10 years of his life"
2013-02-12 01:34:51 PM  
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captainktainer:
guns from jurisdictions that still enable straw purchases and gun shows do still sometimes make their way into the city.

That's the funny thing, though - the places that "enable" those sales, despite having many more firearms available per capita, have much, much lower firearm related crime rates - and lower murder rates.

It's almost like heavy restrictions on weapons causes the law abiding people to not carry them - and allows the violent criminal types to acquire them and use them against the rest of the population.

How strange.
2013-02-12 01:28:34 PM  
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dr-shotgun: Rapmaster2000: On top of that, you can absolutely get a permit for a gun in New York City if you can show you're not likely to go shoot up a school. I know several people who own firearms, perfectly legally, and nobody cares and it wasn't a big hassle because they aren't criminals.


Yes, but if you want to actually  carry that weapon, you are SOL.

No matter how responsible you are, no matter how much training you've got, no matter if you live or work in a rough part of town, no matter if you are subject to a direct threat from a stalker or former spouse... as far as New York City is concerned, you are given absolutely no path to be able to defend yourself outside your home.

Unless you are very wealthy or politically connected. Those folks can get CCW permits...


Maybe you are.  Not me.  I'm proficient in judo, karate, and a bunch of other martial arts that I learned back in Nam.  When you're looking for your gun, I've already taken out the perp with my fists of fury, my knees of knowledge, and my elbows of elbowing.
2013-02-12 01:24:04 PM  
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Rapmaster2000: On top of that, you can absolutely get a permit for a gun in New York City if you can show you're not likely to go shoot up a school. I know several people who own firearms, perfectly legally, and nobody cares and it wasn't a big hassle because they aren't criminals.



Yes, but if you want to actually  carry that weapon, you are SOL.

No matter how responsible you are, no matter how much training you've got, no matter if you live or work in a rough part of town, no matter if you are subject to a direct threat from a stalker or former spouse... as far as New York City is concerned, you are given absolutely no path to be able to defend yourself outside your home.

Unless you are very wealthy or politically connected. Those folks can get CCW permits...
2013-02-12 01:18:32 PM  
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Here'sJohnny: Before people start whining about guns not being allowed on the subway, keep in mind that it's, you know, a subway.

Ever hear the expression fish in a barrel?

Plus the whole thing's covered in signs telling you carrying a firearm is 7 years in prison.


Yea, it's the subway...

The scuzzy station with limited exits and poor sight lines, where criminals are more comfortable to commit their acts against people. Time them well enough and you can mug/rob someone and hop onto the train as the doors close!

Or the subway car. The place with zero sight lines, limited police presence and downgraded cellular service.

Yea, I can't imagine why a good citizen might possibly wish to carry the most reliable means of self defense and protection in that kind of environment....
2013-02-12 01:17:47 PM  
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captainktainer: atomicmask: How did that gun get by the gun free zone bubble around wonderful liberal utopia NYC? That seems impossible.

Dear moron:

Although our gun-related death rate is lower than almost every other city in the country, with a total chance to be murdered per year equal to .005%, guns from jurisdictions that still enable straw purchases and gun shows do still sometimes make their way into the city. This is one of the side effects of allowing unfettered traffic of goods across state lines, which is why New York representatives and senators are supportive of anti-trafficking measures. On top of that, you can absolutely get a permit for a gun in New York City if you can show you're not likely to go shoot up a school. I know several people who own firearms, perfectly legally, and nobody cares and it wasn't a big hassle because they aren't criminals.


TYRANNY!
2013-02-12 01:16:33 PM  
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blogs.amctv.com

This is what the subway is like.  All of New York is like this actually.
2013-02-12 01:04:33 PM  
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So he's probably got priors.  Nice (lack of) reporting there New York Post.
2013-02-12 12:57:19 PM  
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I was told by gun nuts that no one ever gets arrested for possessing illegal guns. Is that not true?
2013-02-12 12:56:51 PM  
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Freedom isn't free
No, there's a hefty f*ckin' fee
And if you don't throw in your buck o' five
Who will?

This guy is a moron but can we get the short list of what IS still legal in New York?
Did he have a concealed beverage as well?
2013-02-12 12:56:32 PM  
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qorkfiend: atomicmask: How did that gun get by the gun free zone bubble around wonderful liberal utopia NYC? That seems impossible.

Do you have any idea how stupid you make yourself look when you say things like that?


Do you have any idea how stupid "gun free zones" are? They are just as dumb as open prison doors with signs that say "As a favor to us, don't leave this prison"
2013-02-12 12:54:37 PM  
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downtownkid: JesseL: In any sane locale cheating the fare would be a far bigger crime than carrying a constitutionally protected tool.

In any sane locale you wouldn't have Sheriff Arpaio wiping his ass with the constitution.


Neither of these is mutually exclusive.
2013-02-12 12:51:44 PM  
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atomicmask: How did that gun get by the gun free zone bubble around wonderful liberal utopia NYC? That seems impossible.


Do you have any idea how stupid you make yourself look when you say things like that?
2013-02-12 12:50:40 PM  
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we need to ban NYC, subways, luck, probability, arms
2013-02-12 12:49:47 PM  
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How did that gun get by the gun free zone bubble around wonderful liberal utopia NYC? That seems impossible.
2013-02-12 12:49:07 PM  
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Sadly, hand cannons tend to make some people extra cocky.  If you carry one long enough you tend to figure out that its not there making you feel bigger than you are, its there to remind you that your involved in something that having a gun was a good idea.  Then you start thinking about where you life choices went wrong and you hopefully get the fark out of that life.  I have known pleanty of idiots who thought having a couple guns strapped to them meant they were the king of the block.

Also IMHO if you have a CCL and you have a habit of telling random people that you have a CCL for no discernible reason, then you probably shouldn't have a CCL.
2013-02-12 12:45:36 PM  
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Cue Chris Rock "How Not To Get Your Ass Beat By The Cops" sketch.
2013-02-12 12:45:12 PM  
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Poor bastard.  Too stupid to leave that pit.
2013-02-12 12:43:31 PM  
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it is probably best to not press your luck


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