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(NYPost)   If you're going to carry an illegal loaded semiautomatic firearm in NYC, it is probably best to not press your luck by trying to beat a $2 subway fare   (nypost.com) divider line 215
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2013-02-12 04:46:09 PM

Amos Quito: Corvus: Pathman: Corvus: I was told by gun nuts that no one ever gets arrested for possessing illegal guns. Is that not true?

no.  and no you weren't.
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Umm they pretend it all the time.

Kinda sounds like the "gun nuts" have a valid point there, Corvus.


You know I can't argue with you. You are the person I showed the exact wording of a law (which you had never read) and it said exactly what I said it said and you said that was not proof enough for you. You are someone who's mind is impossible to change with any amount of facts.
 
2013-02-12 04:47:42 PM

Dimensio: You may wish to actually read the captions on the images that you have posted. None state nor imply that no one is ever arrested for "possession of illegal firearms".


That is not "taking them off the streets"? Do they give those illegal firearms back then?
 
2013-02-12 04:47:47 PM

Corvus: Dimensio: Corvus: Pathman: Corvus: I was told by gun nuts that no one ever gets arrested for possessing illegal guns. Is that not true?

no.  and no you weren't.
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Umm they pretend it all the time.

You may wish to actually read the captions on the images that you have posted. None state nor imply that no one is ever arrested for "possession of illegal firearms".

So what is it implying then if it's not implying that these laws do nothing to actually make any change of getting weapons off the street?

Please tell me.


The image captions state that prohibiting possession of firearms does not cause criminals to be physically incapable of possessing them. Only an individual of sub-par mental capability would conclude that the captions state that criminals are never arrested for possession of an illegal firearm.
 
2013-02-12 04:49:16 PM

Dimensio: The image captions state that prohibiting possession of firearms does not cause criminals to be physically incapable of possessing them. Only an individual of sub-par mental capability would conclude that the captions state that criminals are never arrested for possession of an illegal firearm.


So they have possession of fire arms when the go to jail for illegal gun possesion?
 
2013-02-12 04:49:38 PM
dr-shotgun as far as New York City is concerned, you are given absolutely no path to be able to defend yourself outside your home.
Unless you are very wealthy or politically connected. Those folks can get CCW permits...


So guns are the ONLY possible way to defend yourself?
 
2013-02-12 04:49:56 PM

Corvus: Dimensio: The image captions state that prohibiting possession of firearms does not cause criminals to be physically incapable of possessing them. Only an individual of sub-par mental capability would conclude that the captions state that criminals are never arrested for possession of an illegal firearm.

So they have possession of fire arms when the go to jail for illegal gun possesion?


Absolutely no possible rational nor honest interpretation of my statement could allow for such a conclusion.
 
2013-02-12 04:50:48 PM

Dimensio: The image captions state that prohibiting possession of firearms does not cause criminals to be physically incapable of possessing them. Only an individual of sub-par mental capability would conclude that the captions state that criminals are never arrested for possession of an illegal firearm.


So when you against arrested for illegal gun possession and you are in jail for years they let you have access to guns while you are there?

And they also give you guns back? (because it also says it doesn't get guns off the street)
 
2013-02-12 04:52:09 PM

Corvus: Dimensio: The image captions state that prohibiting possession of firearms does not cause criminals to be physically incapable of possessing them. Only an individual of sub-par mental capability would conclude that the captions state that criminals are never arrested for possession of an illegal firearm.

So when you against arrested for illegal gun possession and you are in jail for years they let you have access to guns while you are there?

And they also give you guns back? (because it also says it doesn't get guns off the street)


No. Absolutely no sane and intelligent individual could derive such a conclusion from any statement that I have issued.
 
2013-02-12 04:52:24 PM

Dimensio: Corvus: Dimensio: The image captions state that prohibiting possession of firearms does not cause criminals to be physically incapable of possessing them. Only an individual of sub-par mental capability would conclude that the captions state that criminals are never arrested for possession of an illegal firearm.

So they have possession of fire arms when the go to jail for illegal gun possesion?

Absolutely no possible rational nor honest interpretation of my statement could allow for such a conclusion.


THAT'S WHAT THE CAPITATION SAID YOU ASS.

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That's what the caption said you are now defending.

So when they arrest people for illegal gun possession, does it take the weapon off the street or not?
 
2013-02-12 04:52:28 PM

Corvus: Pathman: Corvus: I was told by gun nuts that no one ever gets arrested for possessing illegal guns. Is that not true?

no.  and no you weren't.
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Umm they pretend it all the time.


wtf does any of that have to do with the claim that no one ever gets arrested for possessing illegal guns?
 
2013-02-12 04:53:00 PM

BradleyUffner: dr-shotgun as far as New York City is concerned, you are given absolutely no path to be able to defend yourself outside your home.
Unless you are very wealthy or politically connected. Those folks can get CCW permits...

So guns are the ONLY possible way to defend yourself?


No but you can and will get popped for carrying other things used to commonly defend yourself. One can learn a martial art and take self defense classes,  but those are of limited utility to someone who is outnumbered  or outsized. I got lucky when I was mugged by 3 guys. They took the "bad guy from the movie' send one guy in at a time approach. I scrapped, ran, scrapped, et al till I was far enough I could dial 911. It's not always clear cut.
 
2013-02-12 04:53:28 PM

Corvus: Dimensio: Corvus: Dimensio: The image captions state that prohibiting possession of firearms does not cause criminals to be physically incapable of possessing them. Only an individual of sub-par mental capability would conclude that the captions state that criminals are never arrested for possession of an illegal firearm.

So they have possession of fire arms when the go to jail for illegal gun possesion?

Absolutely no possible rational nor honest interpretation of my statement could allow for such a conclusion.

THAT'S WHAT THE CAPITATION SAID YOU ASS.

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That's what the caption said you are now defending.

So when they arrest people for illegal gun possession, does it take the weapon off the street or not?


No rational individual could derive the conclusion "felons would be allowed to possess firearms while in prison" from the image caption.
 
2013-02-12 04:54:08 PM

Pathman: Corvus: Pathman: Corvus: I was told by gun nuts that no one ever gets arrested for possessing illegal guns. Is that not true?

no.  and no you weren't.
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Umm they pretend it all the time.

wtf does any of that have to do with the claim that no one ever gets arrested for possessing illegal guns?


I am beginning to suspect that Corvus is dishonest, irrational, or both. Those are the only conditions under which his claims would make sense.
 
2013-02-12 04:54:14 PM

Dimensio: Corvus: Dimensio: The image captions state that prohibiting possession of firearms does not cause criminals to be physically incapable of possessing them. Only an individual of sub-par mental capability would conclude that the captions state that criminals are never arrested for possession of an illegal firearm.

So when you against arrested for illegal gun possession and you are in jail for years they let you have access to guns while you are there?

And they also give you guns back? (because it also says it doesn't get guns off the street)

No. Absolutely no sane and intelligent individual could derive such a conclusion from any statement that I have issued.


Does being arrested and in jail for having an illegal gun "cause criminals to be physically incapable of possessing them."?

Yes or No? Those are the words you used.
 
2013-02-12 04:56:53 PM

Dimensio: Corvus: Dimensio: Corvus: Dimensio: The image captions state that prohibiting possession of firearms does not cause criminals to be physically incapable of possessing them. Only an individual of sub-par mental capability would conclude that the captions state that criminals are never arrested for possession of an illegal firearm.

So they have possession of fire arms when the go to jail for illegal gun possesion?

Absolutely no possible rational nor honest interpretation of my statement could allow for such a conclusion.

THAT'S WHAT THE CAPITATION SAID YOU ASS.

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That's what the caption said you are now defending.

So when they arrest people for illegal gun possession, does it take the weapon off the street or not?

No rational individual could derive the conclusion "felons would be allowed to possess firearms while in prison" from the image caption.


Is this guy who is going to jail now while in jail "physically incapable of possessing them[guns]. " now?


Yes or No?

Did he get arrested before he could cause more crime to be committed using these guns?
 
2013-02-12 04:57:45 PM

Dimensio: Pathman: Corvus: Pathman: Corvus: I was told by gun nuts that no one ever gets arrested for possessing illegal guns. Is that not true?

no.  and no you weren't.
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Umm they pretend it all the time.

wtf does any of that have to do with the claim that no one ever gets arrested for possessing illegal guns?

I am beginning to suspect that Corvus is dishonest, irrational, or both. Those are the only conditions under which his claims would make sense.


Irrational you keep pretending someone who goes to jail still has the same access to guns and the ability to commit crime as someone who isn't in jail. You keep dodging that point.
 
2013-02-12 04:58:25 PM

Corvus: Dimensio: Corvus: Dimensio: The image captions state that prohibiting possession of firearms does not cause criminals to be physically incapable of possessing them. Only an individual of sub-par mental capability would conclude that the captions state that criminals are never arrested for possession of an illegal firearm.

So when you against arrested for illegal gun possession and you are in jail for years they let you have access to guns while you are there?

And they also give you guns back? (because it also says it doesn't get guns off the street)

No. Absolutely no sane and intelligent individual could derive such a conclusion from any statement that I have issued.

Does being arrested and in jail for having an illegal gun "cause criminals to be physically incapable of possessing them."?

Yes or No? Those are the words you used.


While difficult to obtain, an incarcerated individual is still typically not physically incapable of possessing a firearm. However, as not all criminals are incarcerated, the answer to the question is of no relevance to the validity of the statement that prohibiting firearm possession does not render criminals physically incapable of possessing firearms.
 
2013-02-12 04:59:08 PM

Dimensio: No rational individual could derive the conclusion "felons would be allowed to possess firearms while in prison" from the image caption.


Well doesn't that take guns off the street? (which the caption implies will not happen)

Doesn't someone stopping someone and taking their illegal guns away "taking guns of the street"?
 
2013-02-12 05:01:16 PM

Dimensio: Corvus: Dimensio: Corvus: Dimensio: The image captions state that prohibiting possession of firearms does not cause criminals to be physically incapable of possessing them. Only an individual of sub-par mental capability would conclude that the captions state that criminals are never arrested for possession of an illegal firearm.

So when you against arrested for illegal gun possession and you are in jail for years they let you have access to guns while you are there?

And they also give you guns back? (because it also says it doesn't get guns off the street)

No. Absolutely no sane and intelligent individual could derive such a conclusion from any statement that I have issued.

Does being arrested and in jail for having an illegal gun "cause criminals to be physically incapable of possessing them."?

Yes or No? Those are the words you used.

While difficult to obtain, an incarcerated individual is still typically not physically incapable of possessing a firearm. However, as not all criminals are incarcerated, the answer to the question is of no relevance to the validity of the statement that prohibiting firearm possession does not render criminals physically incapable of possessing firearms.


So you are saying no one ever gets incarcerated for illegal gun possession? (which is what you originally argued no one actually is saying).
 
2013-02-12 05:03:46 PM

Dimensio: While difficult to obtain, an incarcerated individual is still typically not physically incapable of possessing a firearm. However, as not all criminals are incarcerated, the answer to the question is of no relevance to the validity of the statement that prohibiting firearm possession does not render criminals physically incapable of possessing firearms.


But they are STILL not given their "illegal" guns back right? So it is "taking gun off the street".

Also even if 1 is it is still stopping criminals from possessing guns. OR are you trying to say NONE get incarcerated (which is what you said no one was saying in the first place).
 
2013-02-12 05:04:47 PM

Dimensio: However, as not all criminals are incarcerated, the answer to the question is of no relevance to the validity of the statement that prohibiting firearm possession does not render criminals physically incapable of possessing firearms.


Hmm I wonder what that sounds like:

Corvus: I was told by gun nuts that no one ever gets arrested for possessing illegal guns. Is that not true?


Wow it sounds very close to the comment people have been saying no one ever says.
 
2013-02-12 05:04:55 PM

Corvus: So you are saying no one ever gets incarcerated for illegal gun possession? (which is what you originally argued no one actually is saying).


No possible rational nor honest interpretation of my statement could allow for such a conclusion.
 
2013-02-12 05:06:43 PM

Corvus: Dimensio: However, as not all criminals are incarcerated, the answer to the question is of no relevance to the validity of the statement that prohibiting firearm possession does not render criminals physically incapable of possessing firearms.

Hmm I wonder what that sounds like:

Corvus: I was told by gun nuts that no one ever gets arrested for possessing illegal guns. Is that not true?

Wow it sounds very close to the comment people have been saying no one ever says.


Only an irrational or a dishonest individual would claim the two statements to be expressing the same sentiment.
 
2013-02-12 05:09:35 PM

Dimensio: Corvus: Dimensio: However, as not all criminals are incarcerated, the answer to the question is of no relevance to the validity of the statement that prohibiting firearm possession does not render criminals physically incapable of possessing firearms.

Hmm I wonder what that sounds like:

Corvus: I was told by gun nuts that no one ever gets arrested for possessing illegal guns. Is that not true?

Wow it sounds very close to the comment people have been saying no one ever says.

Only an irrational or a dishonest individual would claim the two statements to be expressing the same sentiment.


Do gun laws ever get "guns off the street"? Yes or No?

When someone is arrested for gun laws do those guns get off the street? Yes or NO?
 
2013-02-12 05:11:08 PM

Dimensio: Corvus: Dimensio: However, as not all criminals are incarcerated, the answer to the question is of no relevance to the validity of the statement that prohibiting firearm possession does not render criminals physically incapable of possessing firearms.

Hmm I wonder what that sounds like:

Corvus: I was told by gun nuts that no one ever gets arrested for possessing illegal guns. Is that not true?

Wow it sounds very close to the comment people have been saying no one ever says.

Only an irrational or a dishonest individual would claim the two statements to be expressing the same sentiment.


That sending someone to jail is the same as sending someone to jail? Yeah those are very different.

Are you then admitting that gun laws DOES arrest criminals (who no longer have access to guns?) and gets guns off the streets then (because they don't give them back)?

Or you still being dishonest a flipping back and forth?
 
2013-02-12 05:11:59 PM

Corvus: Dimensio: Corvus: Dimensio: However, as not all criminals are incarcerated, the answer to the question is of no relevance to the validity of the statement that prohibiting firearm possession does not render criminals physically incapable of possessing firearms.

Hmm I wonder what that sounds like:

Corvus: I was told by gun nuts that no one ever gets arrested for possessing illegal guns. Is that not true?

Wow it sounds very close to the comment people have been saying no one ever says.

Only an irrational or a dishonest individual would claim the two statements to be expressing the same sentiment.

Do gun laws ever get "guns off the street"? Yes or No?


No. Laws themselves do not remove firearms.


When someone is arrested for gun laws do those guns get off the street? Yes or NO?

To which "guns" do you refer?
 
2013-02-12 05:12:28 PM

Dimensio: Corvus: Dimensio: Corvus: Dimensio: However, as not all criminals are incarcerated, the answer to the question is of no relevance to the validity of the statement that prohibiting firearm possession does not render criminals physically incapable of possessing firearms.

Hmm I wonder what that sounds like:

Corvus: I was told by gun nuts that no one ever gets arrested for possessing illegal guns. Is that not true?

Wow it sounds very close to the comment people have been saying no one ever says.

Only an irrational or a dishonest individual would claim the two statements to be expressing the same sentiment.

Do gun laws ever get "guns off the street"? Yes or No?

No. Laws themselves do not remove firearms.


When someone is arrested for gun laws do those guns get off the street? Yes or NO?

To which "guns" do you refer?


You're a farking troll.
 
2013-02-12 05:13:42 PM

Corvus: Dimensio: Corvus: Dimensio: However, as not all criminals are incarcerated, the answer to the question is of no relevance to the validity of the statement that prohibiting firearm possession does not render criminals physically incapable of possessing firearms.

Hmm I wonder what that sounds like:

Corvus: I was told by gun nuts that no one ever gets arrested for possessing illegal guns. Is that not true?

Wow it sounds very close to the comment people have been saying no one ever says.

Only an irrational or a dishonest individual would claim the two statements to be expressing the same sentiment.

That sending someone to jail is the same as sending someone to jail? Yeah those are very different.

Are you then admitting that gun laws DOES arrest criminals (who no longer have access to guns?) and gets guns off the streets then (because they don't give them back)?

Or you still being dishonest a flipping back and forth?


You claimed that "gun nuts" assert that "no one ever gets arrested for possessing illegal guns". Your claim, thus far, remains unsubstantiated. Nothing that you have stated constitutes substantiation of this claim.

I have "flipped" regarding no issue. Your assertion that I have is inconsistent with reality.
 
2013-02-12 05:13:49 PM

Dimensio: Do gun laws ever get "guns off the street"? Yes or No?

No. Laws themselves do not remove firearms.


Cool. Then you have no problem with banning firearms because they won't remove anyones weapons.
 
2013-02-12 05:15:23 PM

Dimensio: You claimed that "gun nuts" assert that "no one ever gets arrested for possessing illegal guns". Your claim, thus far, remains unsubstantiated.


Dimensio: However, as not all criminals are incarcerated, the answer to the question is of no relevance to the validity of the statement that prohibiting firearm possession does not render criminals physically incapable of possessing firearms.


Right there you said my point was irrelevant because I couldn't show that people go to jail for possessing illegal firearms (which they do).
 
2013-02-12 05:56:21 PM

Corvus: Dimensio: Corvus: Dimensio: However, as not all criminals are incarcerated, the answer to the question is of no relevance to the validity of the statement that prohibiting firearm possession does not render criminals physically incapable of possessing firearms.

Hmm I wonder what that sounds like:

Corvus: I was told by gun nuts that no one ever gets arrested for possessing illegal guns. Is that not true?

Wow it sounds very close to the comment people have been saying no one ever says.

Only an irrational or a dishonest individual would claim the two statements to be expressing the same sentiment.

That sending someone to jail is the same as sending someone to jail? Yeah those are very different.

Are you then admitting that gun laws DOES arrest criminals (who no longer have access to guns?) and gets guns off the streets then (because they don't give them back)?

Or you still being dishonest a flipping back and forth?


You claimed that "gun nuts" assert that "no one ever gets arrested for possessing illegal guns". Your claim, thus far, remains unsubstantiated. Nothing that you have stated constitutes substantiation of this claim.

I have "flipped" regarding no issue. Your assertion that I have is inconsistent with reality.

Corvus: Dimensio: Do gun laws ever get "guns off the street"? Yes or No?

No. Laws themselves do not remove firearms.

Cool. Then you have no problem with banning firearms because they won't remove anyones weapons.


You are continuing to derive non-sequitur conclusions from my statements. I am able to conclude only that you are either dishonest or irrational.
 
2013-02-12 06:13:57 PM
Adolf Oliver Nipples:

Every time I see something like this I am reminded of why I have no interest in living in cities. It's not even a liberal-conservative thing, it's a "common-sense" thing. You know, the thing that allegedly governs the desire of gun-control people and is, ironically, the one thing that they lack. They put a man away for 7 years for not shooting someone with a gun that nobody even knew he had until he jumped a turnstile over $2.25. I'd rather pay his $2.25 than the $20,000 per year per the next 7 it's going to take to incarcerate him. THAT is "common sense".

You could argue that he broke the law and therefore got what he had coming to him, and you'd be right. I won't argue against you. I will, however, argue that the law is stupid, and the same people that push laws like this to put people in jail for extended periods of time also rail against prison overcrowding and the incarceration of non-violent drug offenders. It's amazing how when it comes to things like drugs, guns, and other hot-button issues, so many people can be wrong about so many things.


I read an article years ago about the results of crackdowns on so called minor offenders, particularly turnstile jumpers (although I can't remember if it was the subway in NY or the El in Chicago, doesn't really matter though).  The police learned, amazingly, that criminals commit crimes, and relatively "big" criminals had no problem committing relatively minor crimes.  When they started cracking down on turnstile jumpers, they found a high number (like ~30% IIRC) had warrants, or were on probation/parole for more serious crimes, and cracking down on minor crimes lowered the rate of more serious crimes significantly.

This guy, according to another article when it happened almost a year ago, was also charged with Resisting arrest, and if the Google searches of other Farkers is correct was a felon in possession of a firearm, which I have no problem  him going away for.

If he was a normal person, carrying for self defense, then yeah, the law is stupid.  Then again, guys like that probably wouldn't jump the turnstile.
 
2013-02-12 06:34:39 PM

Corvus: KidneyStone: Corvus: I was told by gun nuts that no one ever gets arrested for possessing illegal guns. Is that not true?

No gun nut said any such thing. Not seriously, anyhow

So they never say that making guns illegal will do nothing to deter gun crime or criminal with gun ownership? They never say that?


You are debating two entirely different points.

A) nobody with an illegal gun ever gets arrested. False.

B) making guns illegal won't slow down criminals who want a gun. True. If they already buy them illegally then how is any law going to change that? It's like making a school a gun free zone to prevent mass killings. If the shooter doesn't care about laws against murder then why would they care about gun laws?

It's OK to put the pipe down once in a while.
 
2013-02-12 06:42:26 PM

Corvus: KidneyStone: Corvus: I was told by gun nuts that no one ever gets arrested for possessing illegal guns. Is that not true?

No gun nut said any such thing. Not seriously, anyhow

So they never say that making guns illegal will do nothing to deter gun crime or criminal with gun ownership? They never say that?


Dude, this is from your own profile:

After being on Fark for a few years, I now understand there are people who don't use facts to come to their conclusions. No matter how many facts you give, they just jump to a new talking point or just make stuff up. They are not uninformed, they are just crazy. I have come to the conclusion that these people need to be ridiculed and to be shown to be wrong so others do not give validity to their made up arguments. I was wrong to think these people were just uninformed.

You need to read your own ramblings
 
2013-02-12 06:50:38 PM

dr-shotgun: orclover: Sadly, hand cannons tend to make some people extra cocky.  If you carry one long enough you tend to figure out that its not there making you feel bigger than you are, its there to remind you that your involved in something that having a gun was a good idea.  Then you start thinking about where you life choices went wrong and you hopefully get the fark out of that life.  I have known pleanty of idiots who thought having a couple guns strapped to them meant they were the king of the block.

Since this is an anonymous forum, I feel that I can say that I have a CHL without appearing to be going for tough guy points.

Funny enough, carrying has had the exact opposite effect on me. I was never a hugely confrontational guy to begin with, but I've become extraordinarily passive and excessively polite when I'm out and about, ever since I started carrying.

Outside of my military service and my time as a paramedic, I've never been in a fight or direct violent confrontation in my life. I don't plan on that ever happening either. Having said that, I am *extremely* conscious of the fact that I am carrying and that if someone were to start up with me (physically), my firearm would likely become involved. In that scenario, I want the timeline to be  astoundingly clear that I was not the one to begin, to extend or to egg on the confrontation in  any way.


Same here.
 
2013-02-12 07:47:26 PM

dr-shotgun: I want the timeline to be astoundingly clear that I was not the one to begin, to extend or to egg on the confrontation in any way.




This!
 
2013-02-12 08:19:01 PM

orclover: you have pee hands: Mrbogey: Most CCW permit holders tend to be less aggressive. Your entire post is a straw.an against what you think they are.

And yours is a response to something he didn't say.  If this guy was a CCW holder, the article doesn't say, and most people who are CCW holders don't spend all day talking about it (except on the internet).

His response is about what I expected.  I have had waaaay too many conversations with way too many different people about the scenarios they envision (practically wet dreams for them)  in which they will likely use their CCW.  Many of them living in a state of perpetual fear and a few of them (relatives included) who are drooling over the day when they can finally, righteously take out that darkie who they know is going to try to car jack them.  Often going into great detail in how they are going to complete the scenario with their choice of weapons.  Did I mention I live in Texas?  Splains a lot.   These are not rare or isolated conversations, sadly.


Of course my response was what you expected. When you say something dumb, after a while you keep getting the same response from people about it.
 
2013-02-12 09:43:24 PM
I see the big city douche bag patrol is out tonight.
 
Rat
2013-02-12 11:30:20 PM
Let's get down to brass tacks here people and look at the real crime.  $2.25 to ride the subway???  Good lord...

© BTW I just bought a nice new 1911 Ultra Carry, so if anything ever happens and one of you libs need someone to hide behind, I'm not prejudice, just ask!
 
2013-02-13 12:10:36 AM

Corvus: I've been told many many times in these threads that buying guns illegal will not do anything to detour criminals from having guns. I hear this time and time again.


English mother farker. Start speaking it.
 
2013-02-13 07:54:18 AM

Corvus: [woodgatesview.files.wordpress.com image 245x324]

I love this bit. Substitute the word "Guns" for words like "murder" or "Rape" to show you how stupid it is.

Basic it says "Because a law is not 100% effective we should get rid of it". Which is retarded.


A "gun" is an object that has no will of it's own.  Murder and rape are actions committed by humans.

Showing that you can't distinguish between the two completely separate and distinct categories marks you as singularly unintelligent.
 
2013-02-13 07:55:22 AM

dittybopper: A "gun" is an object that has no will of it's its own.


FTFM.  Damn, those apostrophes slip in when you least expect them.
 
2013-02-13 08:04:58 AM

Noticeably F.A.T.: dittybopper: Another thing that works well is plain old Dawn detergent in hot water.

That's what I've always used for cleaning. It works, but it's a bit of a PITA. That's why I'm going to try this stuff, hopefully it'll keep everything from sticking in the first place. If I'm lucky it'll work while I'm shooting as well, so I don't have to swab the bastard out as often as I do at the moment.


Have you tried Triple Seven powder?  I've shot it a few times in non-flintlock guns, and it does indeed have much less fouling.  My dad swears by it for his percussion guns, and he's been building guns since the late 1960's.  Company claims it cleans up with just water, and it is measurably more powerful than either black powder or Pyrodex:  We chronographed a bunch of guns with "equivalent loads", and the T7 always had an edge velocity-wise, sometimes a quite significant one depending on the gun.

Anyway, if you use that, your clean up will be much easier from the get-go, especially if you've been using black powder.  I have to use BP because I have a flintlock, and neither Pyrodex or T7 is sensitive enough to reliably ignite in a flintlock.  I could use a duplex load (~10 grains of BP, with 80 or 90 grains of T7 on top of it), but that's a real pain in the ass to load, especially if you are doing it for time.
 
2013-02-13 08:40:42 AM

heavymetal: atomicmask: How did that gun get by the gun free zone bubble around wonderful liberal utopia NYC? That seems impossible.

He bought it at a gun show so he could avoid the background check due to him being a felon.


You do realize that dealers at shows have to run background checks through the NCIS system?  The "gun show loophole" is not existent.  What people refer to the "loophole" is a private sale.  Person to person.  Yes, some people acquire them this way, but to say it's from a gun show is rather ignorant.  It's still illegal on a federal level to sell a firearm to a felon or other person who shouldn't have one.  There's just no way for private citizens to check.  There is no way they could be allowed access to the NCIS database.

That's the REAL reason there's the loophole. There's NO WAY they're going to let joe public into that database.  

The solution could be to force all sales to go through a FFL, but I don't know if people would go for that.
 
2013-02-13 08:46:33 AM

Corvus: [woodgatesview.files.wordpress.com image 245x324]

I love this bit. Substitute the word "Guns" for words like "murder" or "Rape" to show you how stupid it is.

Basic it says "Because a law is not 100% effective we should get rid of it". Which is retarded.


The difference is, there are legal guns.  There isn't legal murder/rape.  Limiting the firearms also takes them away from law abiding people, turning people into criminals with the stroke of a pen.  Making murder illegal doesn't exactly have an effect on law abiding citizens.  

I don't think the point is we should have NO laws....  but we shouldn't have STUPID laws that only limit law abiding people.  

As other people have said, why was it illegal for this guy to have a gun?  If he was a felon, ok, but otherwise, the law is dumb.  He didn't shoot anyone.  He didn't harm anyone.  Who knows.  I think it's pretty lame for him to goto jail for something I do legally every day.
 
2013-02-13 08:47:19 AM

Corvus: You'reI'm a farking troll.


FTFY.
 
2013-02-13 09:51:12 AM

Mr.BobDobalita: heavymetal: atomicmask: How did that gun get by the gun free zone bubble around wonderful liberal utopia NYC? That seems impossible.

He bought it at a gun show so he could avoid the background check due to him being a felon.

You do realize that dealers at shows have to run background checks through the NCIS system?  The "gun show loophole" is not existent. What people refer to the "loophole" is a private sale.  Person to person.  Yes, some people acquire them this way, but to say it's from a gun show is rather ignorant.  It's still illegal on a federal level to sell a firearm to a felon or other person who shouldn't have one.  There's just no way for private citizens to check.  There is no way they could be allowed access to the NCIS database.

That's the REAL reason there's the loophole. There's NO WAY they're going to let joe public into that database.  

The solution could be to force all sales to go through a FFL, but I don't know if people would go for that.



You're playing with semantics here.  The fact is that in many states you can go to a gun show and very easily purchase a gun with no background check whatsoever.  Yes, the licensed dealers there are required to do background checks but there are great numbers of private sellers at these events.  It could not possibly be simpler to do.  The whole "there is no gun show loophole" idea is an NRA talking point that is dishonest and misleading.
 
2013-02-13 10:58:24 AM

downtownkid: Mr.BobDobalita: heavymetal: atomicmask: How did that gun get by the gun free zone bubble around wonderful liberal utopia NYC? That seems impossible.

He bought it at a gun show so he could avoid the background check due to him being a felon.

You do realize that dealers at shows have to run background checks through the NCIS system?  The "gun show loophole" is not existent. What people refer to the "loophole" is a private sale.  Person to person.  Yes, some people acquire them this way, but to say it's from a gun show is rather ignorant.  It's still illegal on a federal level to sell a firearm to a felon or other person who shouldn't have one.  There's just no way for private citizens to check.  There is no way they could be allowed access to the NCIS database.

That's the REAL reason there's the loophole. There's NO WAY they're going to let joe public into that database.  

The solution could be to force all sales to go through a FFL, but I don't know if people would go for that.


You're playing with semantics here.  The fact is that in many states you can go to a gun show and very easily purchase a gun with no background check whatsoever.  Yes, the licensed dealers there are required to do background checks but there are great numbers of private sellers at these events.  It could not possibly be simpler to do.  The whole "there is no gun show loophole" idea is an NRA talking point that is dishonest and misleading.


So you have done this?   Have you seen this done?   I'm curious as to where you are getting your information from.  All the gun shows I"ve been to require you to be a firearms dealer (FFL) to sell guns there.  You can get a table and hock your wares that are related to guns, rednecks, etc....   but you can't sell guns there unless you are a private individual.  I'm not saying there aren't people around trying to sell grandpa's rifle or something, but as I said, I"m curious where you're getting your info from, or if you're just trumpeting anti-gun talking points.
 
2013-02-13 12:52:38 PM

Noticeably F.A.T.: SirEattonHogg: Very interesting. Thanks. Always thought about maybe getting a Civil War era rifled musket (like a Springfield 1861) for the novelty of firing one.

Do it. They are fun as hell.


Yes, Do it!!  This is what I harvested my first deer with at the ripe old age of 10 years old.
www.lymanproducts.com
.54 Cal Great Plains Rifle Flintlock Muzzle loader.
32" barrel and heavy but to this day Flintlock season remains my favorite season, and even got my best friend into it and got him the exact same rifle although in .50cal.
nothing like filling up the bath tub with hot soapy water to clean them after firing them off.  MY wife just loves that part.
 
2013-02-13 01:10:56 PM

downtownkid: You're playing with semantics here.  The fact is that in many states you can go to a gun show and very easily purchase a gun with no background check whatsoever.  Yes, the licensed dealers there are required to do background checks but there are great numbers of private sellers at these events.  It could not possibly be simpler to do.  The whole "there is no gun show loophole" idea is an NRA talking point that is dishonest and misleading.


Then let's be honest and call it the "private sales loophole".
 
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