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(NYPost)   If you're going to carry an illegal loaded semiautomatic firearm in NYC, it is probably best to not press your luck by trying to beat a $2 subway fare   (nypost.com) divider line 215
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2013-02-12 02:35:13 PM  

dittybopper: captainktainer: dittybopper: captainktainer: atomicmask: How did that gun get by the gun free zone bubble around wonderful liberal utopia NYC? That seems impossible.

Dear moron:

Although our gun-related death rate is lower than almost every other city in the country, with a total chance to be murdered per year equal to .005%,

Dear other moron:  The total chance to be murdered in my city is equal to 0.0021%.  And that's by all causes, and we have more guns than you do.

Congratulations on your podunk town in the middle of nowhere?

Heh.  I laugh every time someone from NYC says something like this.  There really isn't very much you can do in NYC that I can't do in my podunk town in the middle of nowhere, and an awful lot of things I can do that you can't.  Like order something with trans fats, or a 32 ounce soda, or hell, buy a gun without spending hundreds of dollars and waiting months just for the privilege

For those few things where NYC actually does have an advantage that can't be satisfied by some sort of telepresense, I can take the train and visit.

I mean, the monthly rent on a studio apartment in Manhattan costs more than the mortgage on my house, plus my utilities, plus a car payment, plus my car insurance, and gas to travel to work.  And if I want to visit NYC, I can buy a round trip train ticket for a relative pittance.

Why would I live there?  Pretty much all the culture, arts, and all of the positives can be experienced either with a short visit, or remotely (we got this thing called the Intarwebs, you should check it out).  There really isn't any incentive for me to live there.  Even if you were to double my current salary, my standard of living would actually go *DOWN* by moving there.



Maybe if you were smart enough to understand that he pointed out that you were living in the sticks to demonstrate why your comparison of death rates between your hillrat burg and New York City is an invalid one you could make enough to live here.
 
2013-02-12 02:37:13 PM  

dittybopper: Heh. I laugh every time someone from NYC says something like this. There really isn't very much you can do in NYC that I can't do in my podunk town in the middle of nowhere, and an awful lot of things I can do that you can't. Like order something with trans fats, or a 32 ounce soda, or hell, buy a gun without spending hundreds of dollars and waiting months just for the privilege


You could eat out at a nice restaurant and get drinks at a nice bar every day for the rest of the decade in Manhattan without ever going to the same place twice.  You can also walk home instead of DUIing it.  It's just different strokes for different folks.  Clearly, living in Manhattan is in higher demand because living in podunk towns is cheap.
 
2013-02-12 02:38:37 PM  

blunttrauma: A straw purchase is actually different, that is where a non-prohibited person buys a firearm for someone else. It is also a federal crime.


Close, unless things have changed while I wasn't looking (which is entirely possible). If you are buying it for them because they are prohibited from buying it themselves, that's a crime. It's still legal to give guns as a gift, and it's still legal to buy a gun for the purpose of giving it as a gift.

dittybopper: Yes, and because you wouldn't be stupid like me and use a flintlock, you could use a black powder substitute like Triple7 that is much easier to clean up.


I haven't tried it on mine just yet (haven't gotten around to it), but if you aren't opposed to using modren stuff in your gun, try Frog Lube. I put it on just about everything else I own, and I can't hardly get fouling to stick to it anymore. I'm willing to run it through my muzzleloader (again, the only reason I haven't is that it's been sitting in my cabinet for too long), I don't like using the usual solvents but this stuff smells about like the bore butter I generally use and it's not petroleum based.
 
2013-02-12 02:39:51 PM  

downtownkid: JesseL: Marcintosh:
In short there is no comparison - which if you ask me, makes it nearly impossible to develop an intelligent weapons policy to fit the whole nation.
While NY doesn't try to make rules for the whole place, only for NY, what passes for reasonably intelligent in Montana can't realistically be applied to NYC -


That's news to me. NY politicians seem rather fond of trying to bend the nation to fit their political and social ideals.

WHAAAAAAAAT? The biggest city in the country, the place that drives the nations economy and culture, has influence that stretches beyond it's geographic boundaries?  I'm shocked.  Must be the Jews behind this huh?


I think you've confused coasts -

When California mandates a change in the autos offered for sale there, generally those changes become national. That's why I think you have your coasts mixed.  just a thought.
 
2013-02-12 02:41:16 PM  

downtownkid: They would be too confused and amazed by computers, automobiles, mobile phones and the like


I'll give you amazed, but I doubt there would be as much confusion as you might think. They were some very smart men. Hell, Franklin was probably noodling over some ideas for things we still haven't invented.
 
2013-02-12 02:44:16 PM  
Clearly this patriot was only trying to keep us safe from New York's notorious and feared wild pigs. God bless and god speed, you great American who was noble enough to break the law in order to defend our freedom *sniff*
 
2013-02-12 02:49:37 PM  

downtownkid: Thunderpipes: Wonder if the founding fathers would approve of a guy getting 10 years in jail for carrying a pistol.

They would be too confused and amazed by computers, automobiles, mobile phones and the like to even begin considering how stupid your post is.


And yet liberals like you are the ones who are so angry about people getting harsh sentences for drugs.....

Hippiecrits.
 
2013-02-12 02:51:37 PM  

downtownkid: JesseL: Marcintosh:
In short there is no comparison - which if you ask me, makes it nearly impossible to develop an intelligent weapons policy to fit the whole nation.
While NY doesn't try to make rules for the whole place, only for NY, what passes for reasonably intelligent in Montana can't realistically be applied to NYC -

That's news to me. NY politicians seem rather fond of trying to bend the nation to fit their political and social ideals.

WHAAAAAAAAT? The biggest city in the country, the place that drives the nations economy and culture, has influence that stretches beyond it's geographic boundaries?  I'm shocked.  Must be the Jews behind this huh?


No I don't think Jews have anything to do with it, and I don't resent NYC having a strong cultural and economic influence on the rest of the nation and world.

What I do object to is when NY politicos try to hammer the rest of the nation into the NYC mold, whether we like it or not. It's the difference between an inspirational leader and a thug with a bayonet at your back.
 
2013-02-12 02:53:52 PM  

orclover: Sadly, hand cannons tend to make some people extra cocky.  If you carry one long enough you tend to figure out that its not there making you feel bigger than you are, its there to remind you that your involved in something that having a gun was a good idea.  Then you start thinking about where you life choices went wrong and you hopefully get the fark out of that life.  I have known pleanty of idiots who thought having a couple guns strapped to them meant they were the king of the block.

Also IMHO if you have a CCL and you have a habit of telling random people that you have a CCL for no discernible reason, then you probably shouldn't have a CCL.


I've found most people I know and interact with feel just the opposite.  Carrying a firearm is a big, BIG responsibility and a lot of people find themselves AVOIDing possible confrontations, etc...   

My favorite tactic for avoiding road rage is pretending that the person tailgating me or cutting me off is taking their pregnant wife to the ER or has some other medical emergency, so I pull over and let them by.  In the past, I may have egged them on just to be a dick.  Matching wits with an idiot doesn't prove very effective

If things get dicey when I'm out and perhaps someone thinks I looked at their GF or something petty and wants to fight, I simply apologize and leave.  In the past, I probably would have gotten sucked into a pissing match to "prove my manhood" but at this point, I just don't want to have to shoot someone.  It's when someone attacks me from behind or refuses to let me disengage/de-escalate that we're going to have problems.

I certainly don't walk around talking trash to anyone/everyone like Billy Badass knowing I have Smith & Wesson to back me up, nor do the many gun owners I know and associate with.
 
2013-02-12 02:53:55 PM  
 
2013-02-12 02:55:53 PM  
I hope this was a technical issue, where he scanned the card the gate didn't open, but debited his account (for prepay) or locked him out from rescanning for 5 minutes (commuter pass) and he had to get to the train.
 
2013-02-12 02:57:03 PM  

dr-shotgun: orclover: Sadly, hand cannons tend to make some people extra cocky.  If you carry one long enough you tend to figure out that its not there making you feel bigger than you are, its there to remind you that your involved in something that having a gun was a good idea.  Then you start thinking about where you life choices went wrong and you hopefully get the fark out of that life.  I have known pleanty of idiots who thought having a couple guns strapped to them meant they were the king of the block.

Since this is an anonymous forum, I feel that I can say that I have a CHL without appearing to be going for tough guy points.

Funny enough, carrying has had the exact opposite effect on me. I was never a hugely confrontational guy to begin with, but I've become extraordinarily passive and excessively polite when I'm out and about, ever since I started carrying.

Outside of my military service and my time as a paramedic, I've never been in a fight or direct violent confrontation in my life. I don't plan on that ever happening either. Having said that, I am *extremely* conscious of the fact that I am carrying and that if someone were to start up with me (physically), my firearm would likely become involved. In that scenario, I want the timeline to be  astoundingly clear that I was not the one to begin, to extend or to egg on the confrontation in  any way.


Yep... read my post a couple above this one...       Carrying, and being acutely aware you are carryin gives you the carte blanche to walk out of any situation without egg on your face because you know you weren't backing down out of fear.  You were backing down because it's the right thing to do.  That, and shooting someone would seriously ruin your week.
 
2013-02-12 02:59:02 PM  

downtownkid: Maybe if you were smart enough to understand that he pointed out that you were living in the sticks to demonstrate why your comparison of death rates between your hillrat burg and New York City is an invalid one you could make enough to live here.


Umm, so living near a whole lot of other people would double my risk of dying of a homicide, and I'm the stupid one?
 
2013-02-12 03:02:51 PM  

you have pee hands: dittybopper: Heh. I laugh every time someone from NYC says something like this. There really isn't very much you can do in NYC that I can't do in my podunk town in the middle of nowhere, and an awful lot of things I can do that you can't. Like order something with trans fats, or a 32 ounce soda, or hell, buy a gun without spending hundreds of dollars and waiting months just for the privilege

You could eat out at a nice restaurant and get drinks at a nice bar every day for the rest of the decade in Manhattan without ever going to the same place twice.  You can also walk home instead of DUIing it.  It's just different strokes for different folks.  Clearly, living in Manhattan is in higher demand because living in podunk towns is cheap.


I could do that, but that would, what, more than quadruple what I spend on food?

I can go to some decent bars in my town and walk home, but quite frankly, I haven't really done too much of that, at least not since my mid-twenties.  Grew up and grew out of it.

Living in podunk towns is cheap because along with all the nice things in NYC, you get all the bad things too, and both have significant dollar costs.
 
2013-02-12 03:03:40 PM  

kmark: Rapmaster2000

This is what the subway is like. All of New York is like this actually.

It's really not.  Even late at night the subway is pretty tame these days.  What you do see is the occasional shoving match getting on and off the train, and someone yelling because someone won't get out of their way.  And, sometimes, you get a ranty crazy person who lectures the car about terrorists or not having a job or how we're all going to Hell or whatever, but it isn't a big deal, and it happens pretty infrequently.

Still, it would be a bad idea to carry a gun on the subway--sometimes I get these red-mist rages over someone who keeps bumping into me with their purse or who won't take their backpack off when we're packed together during rush hour (I'm actually feeling my heart rate go up writing about it).  I never do anything about it, but I think the temptation might be to much for someone who was unbalanced.


This is called projection.  You don't trust YOURSELF with a gun so you can't possibly comprehend how someone else could be.  This "red mist rage" you refer to is a phenomenon I have never experienced.  

Just because YOU can't handle the responsibility of a firearm shouldn't mean NO one can.
 
2013-02-12 03:05:46 PM  

Mr.BobDobalita: My favorite tactic for avoiding road rage is pretending that the person tailgating me or cutting me off is taking their pregnant wife to the ER or has some other medical emergency, so I pull over and let them by. In the past, I may have egged them on just to be a dick. Matching wits with an idiot doesn't prove very effective


Is that the CCW or just growing up?  I don't have a gun but I've noticed the same change.  When I was 18 if someone cut me off I might turn on my high beams and tailgate them for miles.  Now, fark it.  I'll let them pass just so when they do hit someone or something it's not me.  I don't even need to care where they're going and my angry response isn't going to make them suddenly realize that they're bad drivers.
 
2013-02-12 03:06:53 PM  

Thunderpipes: downtownkid: Thunderpipes: Wonder if the founding fathers would approve of a guy getting 10 years in jail for carrying a pistol.

They would be too confused and amazed by computers, automobiles, mobile phones and the like to even begin considering how stupid your post is.

And yet liberals like you are the ones who are so angry about people getting harsh sentences for drugs.....

Hippiecrits.



That's rich. It's much more often that Farkers accuse me of being a conservative.
 
2013-02-12 03:11:08 PM  
7 years is not long enough.  Having an illegal firearm is the worst of all firearm related things, next to trafficking and shooting people anyways
 
2013-02-12 03:15:03 PM  
"I jump the turnstile, never pay the toll
And then you Doo Wa Diddy, and bust in with the pre-roll"
 
2013-02-12 03:15:56 PM  
In the wild west days the penalty for illegally possesing a firearm in some western cities was being shot by the sheriff.

Right?
 
2013-02-12 03:18:50 PM  

Corvus: I was told by gun nuts that no one ever gets arrested for possessing illegal guns. Is that not true?


I don't know what gun nut told you that.
 
2013-02-12 03:19:23 PM  

you have pee hands: Mr.BobDobalita: My favorite tactic for avoiding road rage is pretending that the person tailgating me or cutting me off is taking their pregnant wife to the ER or has some other medical emergency, so I pull over and let them by. In the past, I may have egged them on just to be a dick. Matching wits with an idiot doesn't prove very effective

Is that the CCW or just growing up?  I don't have a gun but I've noticed the same change.  When I was 18 if someone cut me off I might turn on my high beams and tailgate them for miles.  Now, fark it.  I'll let them pass just so when they do hit someone or something it's not me.  I don't even need to care where they're going and my angry response isn't going to make them suddenly realize that they're bad drivers.


Knowing that you might put yourself into a situation where you have to use deadly force, and having to account and answer questions of how you got there and the role you may or may not have had in that situation is quite a deterrent.  

I'm not saying I was a hot head, but occasionally would get suckered into doing something stupid on a bad day or whatever....    I certainly think 2wice about that now.  It's because of the 2lbs of metal in my pocket.
 
2013-02-12 03:21:19 PM  

Noticeably F.A.T.: dittybopper: Yes, and because you wouldn't be stupid like me and use a flintlock, you could use a black powder substitute like Triple7 that is much easier to clean up.

I haven't tried it on mine just yet (haven't gotten around to it), but if you aren't opposed to using modren stuff in your gun, try Frog Lube. I put it on just about everything else I own, and I can't hardly get fouling to stick to it anymore. I'm willing to run it through my muzzleloader (again, the only reason I haven't is that it's been sitting in my cabinet for too long), I don't like using the usual solvents but this stuff smells about like the bore butter I generally use and it's not petroleum based.


I use "moose milk".  It's a 10 to 1 mixture of water and water-soluble oil.  Looks like milk, and it works fine.  Another thing that works well is plain old Dawn detergent in hot water.

I actually had two "flash in the pans" on my last competition:  I fired the 9 shots first go around, and then fired another 7 before I got them.  I hadn't really done much to clean the gun between runs except to run a single spit patch down the bore.  All the fouling from the shots kept getting rammed back down the bore and building up around the touch-hole.  Finally, it was enough that it obstructed the path to the powder.

Next year, when I do 2 runs, I'll be sure to clean the gun decently, or at least remember to pick a bit of priming powder into the touch-hole to make it go off.
 
2013-02-12 03:26:10 PM  

meanmutton: Corvus: I was told by gun nuts that no one ever gets arrested for possessing illegal guns. Is that not true?

I don't know what gun nut told you that.


The same person that told me that strawmen arguments were no longer allowed on Fark.
 
2013-02-12 03:26:19 PM  

atomicmask: How did that gun get by the gun free zone bubble around wonderful liberal utopia NYC? That seems impossible.




He bought it at a gun show so he could avoid the background check due to him being a felon.
 
2013-02-12 03:29:53 PM  
He got one year for the gun possession and 6 years for having an oversized coke on him.
 
2013-02-12 03:41:07 PM  

dittybopper: Another thing that works well is plain old Dawn detergent in hot water.


That's what I've always used for cleaning. It works, but it's a bit of a PITA. That's why I'm going to try this stuff, hopefully it'll keep everything from sticking in the first place. If I'm lucky it'll work while I'm shooting as well, so I don't have to swab the bastard out as often as I do at the moment.
 
2013-02-12 03:58:55 PM  

Rapmaster2000: [blogs.amctv.com image 560x330]

This is what the subway is like.  All of New York is like this actually.


When that film was made, you didn't have to ride around long to find someone who willing to pull a knife on you if you rode on the wrong line.  Rudy Giuliani spoiled you.  Don't worry though, those times are coming back.  Enjoy.  Meanwhile, I'll be over here, not visiting or spending my tourist dollars in Singapore New York City.
 
2013-02-12 04:00:03 PM  

SirEattonHogg: So he's probably got priors.  Nice (lack of) reporting there New York Post.



www.holidayscalendar.com

Scarecrow article.
 
2013-02-12 04:13:54 PM  

yukichigai: SirEattonHogg: 7 years for possession of an illegal firearm? Sort of stiff. Yeah, I'd also like to know more details about this.

Either he got one of those "max penalty all the time" judges, or there were other things going on.  7 years is the max penalty for the Class D felony version of the crime.

My guess is he got snippy with the transit authority and/or had a history of douchebaggery.


No the gun was loaded so it's a class C felony which has a range of a minimum of 3 1/2 years and a max of 15 (the article said he faced up to 15 years).  So his sentence was closer to the minimum than the maximum.  In NY you do 6/7 of the sentence so he'll be out in 6 with 3 1/2 years of parole.
 
2013-02-12 04:14:18 PM  

Corvus: I was told by gun nuts that no one ever gets arrested for possessing illegal guns. Is that not true?


Well, if you want to be technical about it, this guy was arrested for illegal possession of a legal gun... but antis think "illegal gun" better suits their cause. Sort of like how they call scary-looking guns "assault weapons."
 
2013-02-12 04:21:22 PM  

hdhale: Rapmaster2000: [blogs.amctv.com image 560x330]

This is what the subway is like.  All of New York is like this actually.

When that film was made, you didn't have to ride around long to find someone who willing to pull a knife on you if you rode on the wrong line.  Rudy Giuliani spoiled you.  Don't worry though, those times are coming back.  Enjoy.  Meanwhile, I'll be over here, not visiting or spending my tourist dollars in Singapore New York City.


I really doubt those times are coming back when those times can't afford to live in New York.
 
2013-02-12 04:27:12 PM  
Sanabria was also carrying extra bullets and a holster.

I'm sorry, what does carrying a holster have to do with anything? Extra bullets? Sure, I can see where it's pertinent to the story, but a holster?
 
2013-02-12 04:28:23 PM  
"This defendant illegally carried a loaded semiautomatic firearm into a public transportation system used by thousands of people every day," Vance said.
"Preventing gun violence is one of my top priorities as district attorney, and I will make sure that this office continues to seek strong sentences for crimes involving firearms."


That is the stupidest thing I have ever read. Lots of people carry weapons near thousands of people every day in my state, sometimes even (gasp!) on public transportation. Furthermore, it is only a crime involving firearms because the government deems it so in that particular area. He wouldn't even have been noted where I live. But in New York City? OMG GUN HURRDURR!

Every time I see something like this I am reminded of why I have no interest in living in cities. It's not even a liberal-conservative thing, it's a "common-sense" thing. You know, the thing that allegedly governs the desire of gun-control people and is, ironically, the one thing that they lack. They put a man away for 7 years for not shooting someone with a gun that nobody even knew he had until he jumped a turnstile over $2.25. I'd rather pay his $2.25 than the $20,000 per year per the next 7 it's going to take to incarcerate him. THAT is "common sense".

You could argue that he broke the law and therefore got what he had coming to him, and you'd be right. I won't argue against you. I will, however, argue that the law is stupid, and the same people that push laws like this to put people in jail for extended periods of time also rail against prison overcrowding and the incarceration of non-violent drug offenders. It's amazing how when it comes to things like drugs, guns, and other hot-button issues, so many people can be wrong about so many things.

But keep fighting the good fight, Mr. Vance. You and the rest of the leadership of New York City are setting a strong example for the country. Why, by putting this guy away you might have saved... nobody. Amazing, I'm doing that right now, and it costs the taxpayer nothing. I've done just as much as Cyrus Vance has.
 
2013-02-12 04:30:17 PM  

Fark Rye For Many Whores: Corvus: I was told by gun nuts that no one ever gets arrested for possessing illegal guns. Is that not true?

wat


I've been told many many times in these threads that buying guns illegal will not do anything to detour criminals from having guns. I hear this time and time again.
 
2013-02-12 04:32:25 PM  

meanmutton: Corvus: I was told by gun nuts that no one ever gets arrested for possessing illegal guns. Is that not true?

I don't know what gun nut told you that.


Really? They never say making some guns illegal won't slow don't criminals from having guns and using them? They say it in every thread.
 
2013-02-12 04:33:59 PM  

dr-shotgun: plausdeny: How about this one, or rather, several:

STATE OF NEW JERSEY v. RUBEN SANABRIA (2006)

That's his felony convictions being upheld on appeal.

Hope the Federal DA prosecutes for Felon In Possession.  Not holding out too much hope, though, considering that those prosecutions have dropped 40%.  C;mon guys, go get the boring low hanging fruit AND the cool complicated ones.

Well, we need to make sure that this convicted Ruben Sanabria is the same Rubin Sanabria.

If he is - fark him.

Odd though. If he was a convicted felon, why wouldn't the NYPD and DA's office be trumpeting the fact that they are doing what  everyone in the gun debate agrees with - catching bad guys with guns and locking them up.


Such a statement does not itself lend support to arguments for imposing prohibitive regulation upon civilian firearm ownership.
 
2013-02-12 04:34:12 PM  

KidneyStone: Corvus: I was told by gun nuts that no one ever gets arrested for possessing illegal guns. Is that not true?

No gun nut said any such thing. Not seriously, anyhow


So they never say that making guns illegal will do nothing to deter gun crime or criminal with gun ownership? They never say that?
 
2013-02-12 04:34:38 PM  

Corvus: meanmutton: Corvus: I was told by gun nuts that no one ever gets arrested for possessing illegal guns. Is that not true?

I don't know what gun nut told you that.

Really? They never say making some guns illegal won't slow don't criminals from having guns and using them? They say it in every thread.


It's because you don't know the difference between illegal possession of guns and illegal guns. It didn't matter if he had a simple handgun, as in this case, or if he were packing a 3 uzis and a airsoft rifle. You're comparing apples and oranges.
 
2013-02-12 04:35:20 PM  

Rapmaster2000: [blogs.amctv.com image 560x330]

This is what the subway is like.  All of New York is like this actually.


It's not nearly that clean.
 
2013-02-12 04:36:54 PM  

Pathman: Corvus: I was told by gun nuts that no one ever gets arrested for possessing illegal guns. Is that not true?

no.  and no you weren't.

woodgatesview.files.wordpress.com
1.bp.blogspot.com
www.rightwingnews.com

Umm they pretend it all the time.
 
2013-02-12 04:38:32 PM  

redmid17: Corvus: meanmutton: Corvus: I was told by gun nuts that no one ever gets arrested for possessing illegal guns. Is that not true?

I don't know what gun nut told you that.

Really? They never say making some guns illegal won't slow don't criminals from having guns and using them? They say it in every thread.

It's because you don't know the difference between illegal possession of guns and illegal guns. It didn't matter if he had a simple handgun, as in this case, or if he were packing a 3 uzis and a airsoft rifle. You're comparing apples and oranges.


Ok so one no one gets arrested and the other they do? Please explain which one is the one that never stop any criminal ever in it's history for me please.
 
2013-02-12 04:40:27 PM  

OwnTheRide: Corvus: I was told by gun nuts that no one ever gets arrested for possessing illegal guns. Is that not true?

Well, if you want to be technical about it, this guy was arrested for illegal possession of a legal gun... but antis think "illegal gun" better suits their cause. Sort of like how they call scary-looking guns "assault weapons."


To provide fair consideration: gun control advocates have recently been classifying more traditional-looking rifles as "assault weapons" as well.
 
2013-02-12 04:41:25 PM  
woodgatesview.files.wordpress.com

I love this bit. Substitute the word "Guns" for words like "murder" or "Rape" to show you how stupid it is.

Basic it says "Because a law is not 100% effective we should get rid of it". Which is retarded.
 
2013-02-12 04:41:37 PM  

Corvus: Pathman: Corvus: I was told by gun nuts that no one ever gets arrested for possessing illegal guns. Is that not true?

no.  and no you weren't.
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[www.rightwingnews.com image 333x374]

Umm they pretend it all the time.


You may wish to actually read the captions on the images that you have posted. None state nor imply that no one is ever arrested for "possession of illegal firearms".
 
2013-02-12 04:42:20 PM  
Holy Cr@p I'm tired of people using the word "semiautomatic" with every gun reference! The vast majority of guns are semi-auto and references like this are extremely misleading. This is the reason morons think you can go in any gun shop and buy an automatic weapon. Do you also say you drive a "four-wheeled" car?

/rant over, sigh.
 
2013-02-12 04:42:42 PM  

Corvus: redmid17: Corvus: meanmutton: Corvus: I was told by gun nuts that no one ever gets arrested for possessing illegal guns. Is that not true?

I don't know what gun nut told you that.

Really? They never say making some guns illegal won't slow don't criminals from having guns and using them? They say it in every thread.

It's because you don't know the difference between illegal possession of guns and illegal guns. It didn't matter if he had a simple handgun, as in this case, or if he were packing a 3 uzis and a airsoft rifle. You're comparing apples and oranges.

Ok so one no one gets arrested and the other they do? Please explain which one is the one that never stop any criminal ever in it's history for me please.


You are conflating possession with the acts. I'm not going to explain it any more. You're just being a troll.
 
2013-02-12 04:42:44 PM  

Corvus: Pathman: Corvus: I was told by gun nuts that no one ever gets arrested for possessing illegal guns. Is that not true?

no.  and no you weren't.
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Umm they pretend it all the time.


Kinda sounds like the "gun nuts" have a valid point there, Corvus.
 
2013-02-12 04:43:48 PM  

Dimensio: Corvus: Pathman: Corvus: I was told by gun nuts that no one ever gets arrested for possessing illegal guns. Is that not true?

no.  and no you weren't.
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[1.bp.blogspot.com image 441x316]
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Umm they pretend it all the time.

You may wish to actually read the captions on the images that you have posted. None state nor imply that no one is ever arrested for "possession of illegal firearms".


So what is it implying then if it's not implying that these laws do nothing to actually make any change of getting weapons off the street?

Please tell me.
 
2013-02-12 04:44:50 PM  

Amos Quito: Corvus: Pathman: Corvus: I was told by gun nuts that no one ever gets arrested for possessing illegal guns. Is that not true?

no.  and no you weren't.
[woodgatesview.files.wordpress.com image 245x324]
[1.bp.blogspot.com image 441x316]
[www.rightwingnews.com image 333x374]

Umm they pretend it all the time.

Kinda sounds like the "gun nuts" have a valid point there, Corvus.


What that is a law is not 100% effective we shouldn't have it? That makes sense to you?
 
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