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(NYPost)   If you're going to carry an illegal loaded semiautomatic firearm in NYC, it is probably best to not press your luck by trying to beat a $2 subway fare   (nypost.com) divider line 215
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2013-02-12 01:21:16 PM

qorkfiend: $2.25, subster.


victrin: To be fair, submitter, the subway costs $2.25 per ride. That extra quarter make the difference


Though it is $2.25 now, the PATH fare on March 30, 2012 was $2.00.

/Keep your MetroCards: A new one will cost you $1, starting March 3.
 
2013-02-12 01:21:47 PM

orclover: Sadly, hand cannons tend to make some people extra cocky.  If you carry one long enough you tend to figure out that its not there making you feel bigger than you are, its there to remind you that your involved in something that having a gun was a good idea.  Then you start thinking about where you life choices went wrong and you hopefully get the fark out of that life.  I have known pleanty of idiots who thought having a couple guns strapped to them meant they were the king of the block.

Also IMHO if you have a CCL and you have a habit of telling random people that you have a CCL for no discernible reason, then you probably shouldn't have a CCL.


Most CCW permit holders tend to be less aggressive. Your entire post is a straw.an against what you think they are.
 
2013-02-12 01:22:34 PM

atomicmask: qorkfiend: atomicmask: How did that gun get by the gun free zone bubble around wonderful liberal utopia NYC? That seems impossible.

Do you have any idea how stupid you make yourself look when you say things like that?

Do you have any idea how stupid "gun free zones" are? They are just as dumb as open prison doors with signs that say "As a favor to us, don't leave this prison"


You're really kind of getting tied-up in semantics and missing what it SHOULD be called:

"ENHANCED GUN SENTENCING ZONE"

/NYC isn't a gun-free zone - it requires registration
 
2013-02-12 01:23:02 PM

SirEattonHogg: How much of a recoil does a musket have? I would love to fire one... and then spend the next couple of minutes reloading it.


Minutes? Don't you know, a skilled marksman can reload and fire that weapon as fast at one can bump fire an AR-15 (which is completely legal).
 
2013-02-12 01:24:04 PM

Rapmaster2000: On top of that, you can absolutely get a permit for a gun in New York City if you can show you're not likely to go shoot up a school. I know several people who own firearms, perfectly legally, and nobody cares and it wasn't a big hassle because they aren't criminals.



Yes, but if you want to actually  carry that weapon, you are SOL.

No matter how responsible you are, no matter how much training you've got, no matter if you live or work in a rough part of town, no matter if you are subject to a direct threat from a stalker or former spouse... as far as New York City is concerned, you are given absolutely no path to be able to defend yourself outside your home.

Unless you are very wealthy or politically connected. Those folks can get CCW permits...
 
2013-02-12 01:25:43 PM

Mrbogey: Most CCW permit holders tend to be less aggressive. Your entire post is a straw.an against what you think they are.


And yours is a response to something he didn't say.  If this guy was a CCW holder, the article doesn't say, and most people who are CCW holders don't spend all day talking about it (except on the internet).
 
2013-02-12 01:26:08 PM

Rapmaster2000: [blogs.amctv.com image 560x330]

This is what the subway is like.  All of New York is like this actually.


Well, no. Fuhrer Bloomberg would have Charles Bronson hauled off to prison for 45 years for smoking on the subway.
 
2013-02-12 01:26:12 PM

Stomponfoot: semiautomatic? What do people still carry around muskets and flintlock pistols?


Yeah - that kind of headline always irritated me.  That the gun was loaded is really kind of the default.  The difference between a double-action revolver and a semiautomatic is really kind of minimal.  Unless it was something like a sawed-off shotgun or highly unusual, like an AR-15 pistol, then really, "loaded" and "semi-automatic" are really there just to be inflammatory.
 
2013-02-12 01:28:34 PM

dr-shotgun: Rapmaster2000: On top of that, you can absolutely get a permit for a gun in New York City if you can show you're not likely to go shoot up a school. I know several people who own firearms, perfectly legally, and nobody cares and it wasn't a big hassle because they aren't criminals.


Yes, but if you want to actually  carry that weapon, you are SOL.

No matter how responsible you are, no matter how much training you've got, no matter if you live or work in a rough part of town, no matter if you are subject to a direct threat from a stalker or former spouse... as far as New York City is concerned, you are given absolutely no path to be able to defend yourself outside your home.

Unless you are very wealthy or politically connected. Those folks can get CCW permits...


Maybe you are.  Not me.  I'm proficient in judo, karate, and a bunch of other martial arts that I learned back in Nam.  When you're looking for your gun, I've already taken out the perp with my fists of fury, my knees of knowledge, and my elbows of elbowing.
 
2013-02-12 01:29:25 PM

vygramul: Stomponfoot: semiautomatic? What do people still carry around muskets and flintlock pistols?

Yeah - that kind of headline always irritated me.  That the gun was loaded is really kind of the default.  The difference between a double-action revolver and a semiautomatic is really kind of minimal.  Unless it was something like a sawed-off shotgun or highly unusual, like an AR-15 pistol, then really, "loaded" and "semi-automatic" are really there just to be inflammatory.


Gotta get those page clicks somehow.
 
2013-02-12 01:30:09 PM
Rapmaster2000

This is what the subway is like. All of New York is like this actually.

It's really not.  Even late at night the subway is pretty tame these days.  What you do see is the occasional shoving match getting on and off the train, and someone yelling because someone won't get out of their way.  And, sometimes, you get a ranty crazy person who lectures the car about terrorists or not having a job or how we're all going to Hell or whatever, but it isn't a big deal, and it happens pretty infrequently.

Still, it would be a bad idea to carry a gun on the subway--sometimes I get these red-mist rages over someone who keeps bumping into me with their purse or who won't take their backpack off when we're packed together during rush hour (I'm actually feeling my heart rate go up writing about it).  I never do anything about it, but I think the temptation might be to much for someone who was unbalanced.
 
2013-02-12 01:31:48 PM

SirEattonHogg: dittybopper:   semiautomatic? What do people still carry around muskets and flintlock pistols?

As a matter of fact....

How much of a recoil does a musket have?  I would love to fire one... and then spend the next couple of minutes reloading it.


Well, first off, that's technically a rifle, not a musket.

Typically a musket or rifle isn't going to have all that much recoil, and what recoil they do have is more like a "shove" than the kick of a modern gun.  Certainly, it's lower than a 12 gauge or a .30'06.

Also, it doesn't take 2 minutes to load.  I shoot "primitive biathlons", where speed is of the essence:  You score is your time, so the amount of time it takes to load and fire the 9 shots you take over the course is a factor in how well you do.  Using pre-made paper powder charges, a loading block (that thing with 8 holes in it dangling from my neck), and a pan primer (also around my neck), I can get to a shooting station, load and fire my 2 shots, and be out of there in less than a minute.  That's with a rifle, a smoothbore musket would be even quicker, albeit less accurate.

All it takes is a bit of practice.  I think with a bit more practice, I might be able to get it close to 40 seconds to load and fire two shots.
 
2013-02-12 01:33:22 PM

dr-shotgun: Yea, it's the subway...

The scuzzy station with limited exits and poor sight lines, where criminals are more comfortable to commit their acts against people. Time them well enough and you can mug/rob someone and hop onto the train as the doors close!

Or the subway car. The place with zero sight lines, limited police presence and downgraded cellular service.

Yea, I can't imagine why a good citizen might possibly wish to carry the most reliable means of self defense and protection in that kind of environment....


In the midst of a subway crime wave in 2011, there was a grand total of 7 crimes - *all* crimes, including property damage - per day on the subways. There were a grand total of two murders by crazy people on the subways in 2012, both of which were on platforms, not on the subway, and involved ambushers suddenly pushing people onto the tracks, which guns don't help with. Meanwhile, the penalties for carrying guns on the subway are very high because of the tremendous risk of collateral damage. Bullets can and will penetrate from one car to another, and the ones that don't will ricochet within the car, and the other passengers are packed in close quarters with you. It is an absolutely inappropriate environment for anyone to be firing a gun, even in self-defense.
 
2013-02-12 01:33:45 PM
captainktainer:
Although our gun-related death rate is lower than almost every other city in the country, with a total chance to be murdered per year equal to .005%, guns from jurisdictions that still enable straw purchases and gun shows do still sometimes make their way into the city. This is one of the side effects of allowing unfettered traffic of goods across state lines, which is why New York representatives and senators are supportive of anti-trafficking measures.

Dear Moron, please list jurisdictions where "Straw purchases" are legal.  (Hint see 27 CFR  § 478.29)
 
2013-02-12 01:34:40 PM

dittybopper: captainktainer: atomicmask: How did that gun get by the gun free zone bubble around wonderful liberal utopia NYC? That seems impossible.

Dear moron:

Although our gun-related death rate is lower than almost every other city in the country, with a total chance to be murdered per year equal to .005%,

Dear other moron:  The total chance to be murdered in my city is equal to 0.0021%.  And that's by all causes, and we have more guns than you do.


Congratulations on your podunk town in the middle of nowhere?
 
2013-02-12 01:34:51 PM
captainktainer:
guns from jurisdictions that still enable straw purchases and gun shows do still sometimes make their way into the city.

That's the funny thing, though - the places that "enable" those sales, despite having many more firearms available per capita, have much, much lower firearm related crime rates - and lower murder rates.

It's almost like heavy restrictions on weapons causes the law abiding people to not carry them - and allows the violent criminal types to acquire them and use them against the rest of the population.

How strange.
 
2013-02-12 01:36:03 PM

dr-shotgun: Question: Anyone know if the guy had any priors?


How about this one, or rather, several:

STATE OF NEW JERSEY v. RUBEN SANABRIA (2006)

That's his felony convictions being upheld on appeal.

Hope the Federal DA prosecutes for Felon In Possession.  Not holding out too much hope, though, considering that those prosecutions have dropped 40%.  C;mon guys, go get the boring low hanging fruit AND the cool complicated ones.
 
2013-02-12 01:38:01 PM

kmark: Rapmaster2000

This is what the subway is like. All of New York is like this actually.

It's really not.  Even late at night the subway is pretty tame these days.  What you do see is the occasional shoving match getting on and off the train, and someone yelling because someone won't get out of their way.


Don't forget the-

And, sometimes, you get a ranty crazy person


Oh you have that covered. Ok smart guy what about the silent crazies who stare at me goggle eyed on an empty train making me think I'm about to get my face eaten off but then nothing happens and I make it home safely? Sounds harmless but I need a CC just thinking about it.
 
2013-02-12 01:38:05 PM

Oldiron_79: Do illegal things 1 at a time


This is why i either murder OR rape...never both.
 
2013-02-12 01:41:26 PM

qorkfiend: $2.25, subster.


Until March 1st
 
2013-02-12 01:41:37 PM

orclover: Sadly, hand cannons tend to make some people extra cocky.  If you carry one long enough you tend to figure out that its not there making you feel bigger than you are, its there to remind you that your involved in something that having a gun was a good idea.  Then you start thinking about where you life choices went wrong and you hopefully get the fark out of that life.  I have known pleanty of idiots who thought having a couple guns strapped to them meant they were the king of the block.

Also IMHO if you have a CCL and you have a habit of telling random people that you have a CCL for no discernible reason, then you probably shouldn't have a CCL.


That's true in many cases.

However, I know a LOT of people who got a permit and carry and started to avoid confrontation. I'm one of them.

I have drawn a gun once in my life when some manic started pounding on the glass door at a beach house I was renting. At 2:30am. No matter what I said he just wouldn't stop. Drew, aimed, he saw it, and left. It turned out he was just really drunk and at the wrong house and I'm VERY glad he didn't break the door because at that point I would have shot him. I really hope I never shoot anyone.
 
2013-02-12 01:41:47 PM

Corvus: I was told by gun nuts that no one ever gets arrested for possessing illegal guns. Is that not true?


Yes, that is not true, and therefore the second amendment is no longer an individual right and it requires a person to join a government-back militia.  Your side won!
 
2013-02-12 01:42:22 PM

Big_Fat_Liar: Corvus: I was told by gun nuts that no one ever gets arrested for possessing illegal guns. Is that not true?

Yes, that is not true, and therefore the second amendment is no longer an individual right and it requires a person to join a government-back militia.  Your side won!


or gov-backed, whatever it takes...
 
2013-02-12 01:42:35 PM

kmark: Rapmaster2000

This is what the subway is like. All of New York is like this actually.

It's really not.  Even late at night the subway is pretty tame these days.  What you do see is the occasional shoving match getting on and off the train, and someone yelling because someone won't get out of their way.  And, sometimes, you get a ranty crazy person who lectures the car about terrorists or not having a job or how we're all going to Hell or whatever, but it isn't a big deal, and it happens pretty infrequently.

Still, it would be a bad idea to carry a gun on the subway--sometimes I get these red-mist rages over someone who keeps bumping into me with their purse or who won't take their backpack off when we're packed together during rush hour (I'm actually feeling my heart rate go up writing about it).  I never do anything about it, but I think the temptation might be to much for someone who was unbalanced.


Nope, I've seen all of the Death Wish movies.  New York is entirely populated by multi-cultural, break-dancing, punk rock gangs and the retired Jewish people that they prey upon.

i463.photobucket.com

It's just bullets whizzing all over the place all day.

Also, everyone cuts their hair like that.
 
2013-02-12 01:43:24 PM

Corvus: I was told by gun nuts that no one ever gets arrested for possessing illegal guns. Is that not true?


No gun nut said any such thing. Not seriously, anyhow
 
2013-02-12 01:44:28 PM

blunttrauma: Dear Moron, please list jurisdictions where "Straw purchases" are legal. (Hint see 27 CFR § 478.29)


Every jurisdiction without gun registration and gun shows without background checks. Without that, the legislation is toothless. Straw purchases are not federally illegal for used guns.
 
2013-02-12 01:45:23 PM

dittybopper: Mirrorz: Did he have a concealed beverage as well?

High capacity assault cups are banned in NYC.


That cracked me up
 
2013-02-12 01:51:55 PM
dittybopper: semiautomatic? What do people still carry around muskets and flintlock pistols?

As a matter of fact....

How much of a recoil does a musket have?  I would love to fire one... and then spend the next couple of minutes reloading it.



Well, first off, that's technically a rifle, not a musket.

Typically a musket or rifle isn't going to have all that much recoil, and what recoil they do have is more like a "shove" than the kick of a modern gun.  Certainly, it's lower than a 12 gauge or a .30'06.

Also, it doesn't take 2 minutes to load.  I shoot "primitive biathlons", where speed is of the essence:  You score is your time, so the amount of time it takes to load and fire the 9 shots you take over the course is a factor in how well you do.  Using pre-made paper powder charges, a loading block (that thing with 8 holes in it dangling from my neck), and a pan primer (also around my neck), I can get to a shooting station, load and fire my 2 shots, and be out of there in less than a minute.  That's with a rifle, a smoothbore musket would be even quicker, albeit less accurate.

All it takes is a bit of practice.  I think with a bit more practice, I might be able to get it close to 40 seconds to load and fire two shots.



Very interesting.  Thanks.  Always thought about maybe getting a Civil War era rifled musket (like a Springfield 1861) for the novelty of firing one.
 
2013-02-12 01:56:18 PM

Corvus: I was told by gun nuts that no one ever gets arrested for possessing illegal guns. Is that not true?


no.  and no you weren't.
 
2013-02-12 01:56:26 PM

cirby: That's the funny thing, though - the places that "enable" those sales, despite having many more firearms available per capita, have much, much lower firearm related crime rates - and lower murder rates.

It's almost like heavy restrictions on weapons causes the law abiding people to not carry them - and allows the violent criminal types to acquire them and use them against the rest of the population.

How strange.


Nope.
 
2013-02-12 01:59:17 PM
 
2013-02-12 01:59:36 PM

SirEattonHogg: Very interesting. Thanks. Always thought about maybe getting a Civil War era rifled musket (like a Springfield 1861) for the novelty of firing one.


Do it. They are fun as hell.
 
2013-02-12 02:01:47 PM

JesseL: In any sane locale cheating the fare would be a far bigger crime than carrying a constitutionally protected tool.


We aint talkn' Montana son.  Montana with it's 6.9/sq mi is no match for NY's

HERE -

Montana = 6.9 people / SQ MI VS NYC = 26,402 people/ SQ MI
So what makes sense in NYC doesn't in Montana.  In Montana there are regularly Bears, Moose, a stray Elk or two and drunken bandits and cowboys on main street (so I'm told - no direct experience)

In New York you have celebrities, the insanely rich, cab drivers trying to make a buck, CEO's, Politicians of every stripe from every country, shop owners, Graphic Artists and waitresses cops and more than a few hustlers.

In short there is no comparison - which if you ask me, makes it nearly impossible to develop an intelligent weapons policy to fit the whole nation.
While NY doesn't try to make rules for the whole place, only for NY, what passes for reasonably intelligent in Montana can't realistically be applied to NYC -

In theory the very same type of slug you fire in Montana, if it misses it's target will fall to the ground, in NYC it'd go across the island to the atlantic after hitting an untold number of people and houses, factories, cars, you name it.

Good luck to any congress trying to figure this out with their limited intellect.
 
2013-02-12 02:02:34 PM
FTFA: "Skipping out on a $2.25 subway fare cost this guy 10 years of his life. "

Actually it should say "Illegally carrying a firearm, cost this guy 10 years of his life"
 
2013-02-12 02:02:38 PM
Fark Rye For Many Whores

Oh you have that covered. Ok smart guy what about the silent crazies who stare at me goggle eyed on an empty train making me think I'm about to get my face eaten off but then nothing happens and I make it home safely? Sounds harmless but I need a CC just thinking about it.

Think of it as character building.  But, if it really bugs you, start acting extra friendly toward the person--that freaks out New Yorkers--he won't be able to get away from you fast enough.  He might even change cars while the train is in motion--the NYC subway version of the cut direct.

Rapmaster2000
Also, everyone cuts their hair like that.

Yep, it's all like a mash-up between The Warriors and The Wiz.  And everyone talks like Bugs Bunny.
 
2013-02-12 02:04:21 PM
They need to ban subway fares, that would have resolved this problem.
 
2013-02-12 02:04:58 PM

captainktainer: blunttrauma: Dear Moron, please list jurisdictions where "Straw purchases" are legal. (Hint see 27 CFR § 478.29)

Every jurisdiction without gun registration and gun shows without background checks. Without that, the legislation is toothless. Straw purchases are not federally illegal for used guns.


Wrong.  You need to stop listening to your mayor, he is an idiot.

It is a federal crime for a non-licensee, that is someone without a Federal Firearms License, to go to a neighboring state and buy a handgun.  I even cited the relevant federal code.  A FFL holder will not sell you a handgun if you are not a resident of the state where the FFL is licensed.  If he does, he and you are committing a crime.  He may sell you a rifle, but you must fill out a 4473 and pass a NICS check (or the local equivalent) and the transaction must be legal in both states.  I don't know if NY allows it, but I doubt it, I know California doesn't, and there may be others.

A firearms transaction that crosses a state line has to have a FFL involved, otherwise it is a federal crime.  If you lie and say you are a local resident and buy from an individual in a neighboring state, you have committed a federal crime, and the guy who sold it to you is a moron for not exercising due diligence in verifying residence, and if he know you were not a resident, he committed a crime as well.

A straw purchase is actually different, that is where a non-prohibited person buys a firearm for someone else.  It is also a federal crime.
 
2013-02-12 02:04:58 PM

ethics-gradient: Cue Chris Rock "How Not To Get Your Ass Beat By The Cops" sketch.


Exactly the first thing that popped into my head -  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gCCjFbFXn8 - about 1:00 in.
 
2013-02-12 02:05:30 PM
SirEattonHogg:
7 years for possession of an illegal firearm?  Sort of stiff.  Yeah, I'd also like to know more details about this.

Note "Possession of an illegal firearm", it's "Illegal possession of a firearm".

The gun itself was not illegal, carrying it in public is illegal.
 
2013-02-12 02:05:55 PM
Wonder if the founding fathers would approve of a guy getting 10 years in jail for carrying a pistol.
 
2013-02-12 02:12:42 PM

Noticeably F.A.T.: SirEattonHogg: Very interesting. Thanks. Always thought about maybe getting a Civil War era rifled musket (like a Springfield 1861) for the novelty of firing one.

Do it. They are fun as hell.


Yes, and because you wouldn't be stupid like me and use a flintlock, you could use a black powder substitute like Triple7 that is much easier to clean up.
 
2013-02-12 02:12:52 PM

you have pee hands: Mrbogey: Most CCW permit holders tend to be less aggressive. Your entire post is a straw.an against what you think they are.

And yours is a response to something he didn't say.  If this guy was a CCW holder, the article doesn't say, and most people who are CCW holders don't spend all day talking about it (except on the internet).


His response is about what I expected.  I have had waaaay too many conversations with way too many different people about the scenarios they envision (practically wet dreams for them)  in which they will likely use their CCW.  Many of them living in a state of perpetual fear and a few of them (relatives included) who are drooling over the day when they can finally, righteously take out that darkie who they know is going to try to car jack them.  Often going into great detail in how they are going to complete the scenario with their choice of weapons.  Did I mention I live in Texas?  Splains a lot.   These are not rare or isolated conversations, sadly.
 
2013-02-12 02:13:32 PM
captainktainer:
Every jurisdiction without gun registration and gun shows without background checks. Without that, the legislation is toothless. Straw purchases are not federally illegal for used guns.

Further reference, ATF's FAQ on the matter:

http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/unlicensed-persons.html
 
2013-02-12 02:16:02 PM

plausdeny: How about this one, or rather, several:

STATE OF NEW JERSEY v. RUBEN SANABRIA (2006)

That's his felony convictions being upheld on appeal.

Hope the Federal DA prosecutes for Felon In Possession.  Not holding out too much hope, though, considering that those prosecutions have dropped 40%.  C;mon guys, go get the boring low hanging fruit AND the cool complicated ones.


Well, we need to make sure that this convicted Ruben Sanabria is the same Rubin Sanabria.

If he is - fark him.

Odd though. If he was a convicted felon, why wouldn't the NYPD and DA's office be trumpeting the fact that they are doing what  everyone in the gun debate agrees with - catching bad guys with guns and locking them up.
 
2013-02-12 02:23:44 PM

Englebert Slaptyback: it is probably best to not press your luck


BIG BUCKS!
NO WHAMMIES!


Done in one.
 
2013-02-12 02:29:00 PM
Marcintosh:
In short there is no comparison - which if you ask me, makes it nearly impossible to develop an intelligent weapons policy to fit the whole nation.
While NY doesn't try to make rules for the whole place, only for NY, what passes for reasonably intelligent in Montana can't realistically be applied to NYC -


That's news to me. NY politicians seem rather fond of trying to bend the nation to fit their political and social ideals.
 
2013-02-12 02:30:49 PM

Thunderpipes: Wonder if the founding fathers would approve of a guy getting 10 years in jail for carrying a pistol.


They would be too confused and amazed by computers, automobiles, mobile phones and the like to even begin considering how stupid your post is.
 
2013-02-12 02:32:18 PM

captainktainer: dittybopper: captainktainer: atomicmask: How did that gun get by the gun free zone bubble around wonderful liberal utopia NYC? That seems impossible.

Dear moron:

Although our gun-related death rate is lower than almost every other city in the country, with a total chance to be murdered per year equal to .005%,

Dear other moron:  The total chance to be murdered in my city is equal to 0.0021%.  And that's by all causes, and we have more guns than you do.

Congratulations on your podunk town in the middle of nowhere?


Heh.  I laugh every time someone from NYC says something like this.  There really isn't very much you can do in NYC that I can't do in my podunk town in the middle of nowhere, and an awful lot of things I can do that you can't.  Like order something with trans fats, or a 32 ounce soda, or hell, buy a gun without spending hundreds of dollars and waiting months just for the privilege

For those few things where NYC actually does have an advantage that can't be satisfied by some sort of telepresense, I can take the train and visit.

I mean, the monthly rent on a studio apartment in Manhattan costs more than the mortgage on my house, plus my utilities, plus a car payment, plus my car insurance, and gas to travel to work.  And if I want to visit NYC, I can buy a round trip train ticket for a relative pittance.

Why would I live there?  Pretty much all the culture, arts, and all of the positives can be experienced either with a short visit, or remotely (we got this thing called the Intarwebs, you should check it out).  There really isn't any incentive for me to live there.  Even if you were to double my current salary, my standard of living would actually go *DOWN* by moving there.
 
2013-02-12 02:32:33 PM

JesseL: Marcintosh:
In short there is no comparison - which if you ask me, makes it nearly impossible to develop an intelligent weapons policy to fit the whole nation.
While NY doesn't try to make rules for the whole place, only for NY, what passes for reasonably intelligent in Montana can't realistically be applied to NYC -

That's news to me. NY politicians seem rather fond of trying to bend the nation to fit their political and social ideals.


WHAAAAAAAAT? The biggest city in the country, the place that drives the nations economy and culture, has influence that stretches beyond it's geographic boundaries?  I'm shocked.  Must be the Jews behind this huh?
 
2013-02-12 02:34:42 PM
A Manhattan PATH rider was sentenced yesterday to seven years in prison - and another 3 1/2 years' parole - after cops stopped him for fare-beating and discovered an illegal handgun.
Ruben Sanabria, 37, was caught with a loaded .40-caliber Smith & Wesson at the 14th Street station March 30.



/sighs, if only we had stricter gun laws totally preventing law abiding gun owners from doing this, things would be much better.  Oh wait...he wasnt a lawful owner, and didn't give a shiat about existing laws nor any gun law they can come up with.  But please, target the "scary" guns, and make it so those of us who DO obey the law suffer by your derpy pulled out of your ass legislation.
 
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