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(NYPost)   If you're going to carry an illegal loaded semiautomatic firearm in NYC, it is probably best to not press your luck by trying to beat a $2 subway fare   (nypost.com) divider line 215
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2013-02-12 12:43:31 PM

it is probably best to not press your luck


BIG BUCKS!
NO WHAMMIES!
 
2013-02-12 12:45:12 PM
Poor bastard.  Too stupid to leave that pit.
 
2013-02-12 12:45:27 PM
PATH train isn't the subway subby.
 
2013-02-12 12:45:36 PM
Cue Chris Rock "How Not To Get Your Ass Beat By The Cops" sketch.
 
2013-02-12 12:45:44 PM
That's so gangsta'
 
2013-02-12 12:45:49 PM
In any sane locale cheating the fare would be a far bigger crime than carrying a constitutionally protected tool.
 
2013-02-12 12:46:31 PM
Do illegal things 1 at a time
 
2013-02-12 12:46:42 PM
Why should I follow the law?  That's why I got the gun.
 
2013-02-12 12:46:51 PM
Idiot subby - guy was packing heat to fend off the tyrannical jackbooted thugs of the MTA.
 
2013-02-12 12:47:14 PM
$2.25, subster.
 
2013-02-12 12:47:15 PM

JesseL: In any sane locale cheating the fare would be a far bigger crime than carrying a constitutionally protected tool.


In any sane locale you wouldn't have Sheriff Arpaio wiping his ass with the constitution.
 
2013-02-12 12:47:42 PM
But he's a responsible, law-obiding, NRA member! What are you, commie??
 
2013-02-12 12:48:53 PM
Question: Anyone know if the guy had any priors?

If he is the kinda guy with felonies to his name, I would be applauding New York.

If he is just a citizen who was carrying to protect himself for whatever reason, I find this story incredibly sad.
 
2013-02-12 12:49:07 PM
Sadly, hand cannons tend to make some people extra cocky.  If you carry one long enough you tend to figure out that its not there making you feel bigger than you are, its there to remind you that your involved in something that having a gun was a good idea.  Then you start thinking about where you life choices went wrong and you hopefully get the fark out of that life.  I have known pleanty of idiots who thought having a couple guns strapped to them meant they were the king of the block.

Also IMHO if you have a CCL and you have a habit of telling random people that you have a CCL for no discernible reason, then you probably shouldn't have a CCL.
 
2013-02-12 12:49:21 PM

downtownkid: JesseL: In any sane locale cheating the fare would be a far bigger crime than carrying a constitutionally protected tool.

In any sane locale you wouldn't have Sheriff Arpaio wiping his ass with the constitution.


You may be surprised to know that I agree with you. Lucky for me, I don't live in Maricopa county.
 
2013-02-12 12:49:47 PM
How did that gun get by the gun free zone bubble around wonderful liberal utopia NYC? That seems impossible.
 
2013-02-12 12:50:40 PM
we need to ban NYC, subways, luck, probability, arms
 
2013-02-12 12:50:42 PM

JesseL: downtownkid: JesseL: In any sane locale cheating the fare would be a far bigger crime than carrying a constitutionally protected tool.

In any sane locale you wouldn't have Sheriff Arpaio wiping his ass with the constitution.

You may be surprised to know that I agree with you. Lucky for me, I don't live in Maricopa county.


Fair enough.
 
2013-02-12 12:51:44 PM

atomicmask: How did that gun get by the gun free zone bubble around wonderful liberal utopia NYC? That seems impossible.


Do you have any idea how stupid you make yourself look when you say things like that?
 
2013-02-12 12:53:26 PM

downtownkid: In any sane locale you wouldn't have Sheriff Arpaio wiping his ass with the constitution.


Very true. I'm especially not fond of his jackbooted tactics for intimidating political enemies.

JesseL: In any sane locale cheating the fare would be a far bigger crime than carrying a constitutionally protected tool.


Also true
 
2013-02-12 12:53:50 PM
dr-shotgun  Question: Anyone know if the guy had any priors?

If he is the kinda guy with felonies to his name, I would be applauding New York.

If he is just a citizen who was carrying to protect himself for whatever reason, I find this story incredibly sad.



7 years for possession of an illegal firearm?  Sort of stiff.  Yeah, I'd also like to know more details about this.
 
2013-02-12 12:54:37 PM

downtownkid: JesseL: In any sane locale cheating the fare would be a far bigger crime than carrying a constitutionally protected tool.

In any sane locale you wouldn't have Sheriff Arpaio wiping his ass with the constitution.


Neither of these is mutually exclusive.
 
2013-02-12 12:55:24 PM

qorkfiend: atomicmask: How did that gun get by the gun free zone bubble around wonderful liberal utopia NYC? That seems impossible.

Do you have any idea how stupid you make yourself look when you say things like that?


Certainly no more stupid than the people who wrote those laws.
 
2013-02-12 12:55:33 PM
To be fair, submitter, the subway costs $2.25 per ride. That extra quarter make the difference
 
2013-02-12 12:56:18 PM
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"Again?"
 
2013-02-12 12:56:32 PM

qorkfiend: atomicmask: How did that gun get by the gun free zone bubble around wonderful liberal utopia NYC? That seems impossible.

Do you have any idea how stupid you make yourself look when you say things like that?


Do you have any idea how stupid "gun free zones" are? They are just as dumb as open prison doors with signs that say "As a favor to us, don't leave this prison"
 
2013-02-12 12:56:51 PM
Freedom isn't free
No, there's a hefty f*ckin' fee
And if you don't throw in your buck o' five
Who will?

This guy is a moron but can we get the short list of what IS still legal in New York?
Did he have a concealed beverage as well?
 
2013-02-12 12:57:19 PM
I was told by gun nuts that no one ever gets arrested for possessing illegal guns. Is that not true?
 
2013-02-12 12:58:50 PM

downtownkid: PATH train isn't the subway subby.


Not "the subway" but it is undergroudn there, and most people call an underground train a subway in the US.


/not subby
 
2013-02-12 01:00:07 PM

orclover: Sadly, hand cannons tend to make some people extra cocky.  If you carry one long enough you tend to figure out that its not there making you feel bigger than you are, its there to remind you that your involved in something that having a gun was a good idea.  Then you start thinking about where you life choices went wrong and you hopefully get the fark out of that life.  I have known pleanty of idiots who thought having a couple guns strapped to them meant they were the king of the block.


Since this is an anonymous forum, I feel that I can say that I have a CHL without appearing to be going for tough guy points.

Funny enough, carrying has had the exact opposite effect on me. I was never a hugely confrontational guy to begin with, but I've become extraordinarily passive and excessively polite when I'm out and about, ever since I started carrying.

Outside of my military service and my time as a paramedic, I've never been in a fight or direct violent confrontation in my life. I don't plan on that ever happening either. Having said that, I am *extremely* conscious of the fact that I am carrying and that if someone were to start up with me (physically), my firearm would likely become involved. In that scenario, I want the timeline to be  astoundingly clear that I was not the one to begin, to extend or to egg on the confrontation in  any way.
 
2013-02-12 01:01:38 PM

dr-shotgun: If he is the kinda guy with felonies to his name, I would be applauding New York.


Don't know if it's the same one, but a google for "Ruben Sanabria" shows a conviction for drug charges in Jersey City, NJ,  with an appeal in 2006.
 
2013-02-12 01:02:51 PM

SirEattonHogg: 7 years for possession of an illegal firearm? Sort of stiff. Yeah, I'd also like to know more details about this.


Either he got one of those "max penalty all the time" judges, or there were other things going on.  7 years is the max penalty for the Class D felony version of the crime.

My guess is he got snippy with the transit authority and/or had a history of douchebaggery.
 
2013-02-12 01:03:54 PM

Corvus: I was told by gun nuts that no one ever gets arrested for possessing illegal guns. Is that not true?


Well, Duh.  Make having a gun illegal, as NYC pretty much does except for the politically well-connected, and of course people will be arrested.

Having said that, this guy may have been a convicted drug dealer, which would be "felon in possession".
 
2013-02-12 01:04:18 PM

dr-shotgun: Outside of my military service and my time as a paramedic, I've never been in a fight or direct violent confrontation in my life. I don't plan on that ever happening either. Having said that, I am *extremely* conscious of the fact that I am carrying and that if someone were to start up with me (physically), my firearm would likely become involved. In that scenario, I want the timeline to be astoundingly clear that I was not the one to begin, to extend or to egg on the confrontation in any way.


So "an armed society is a polite society" actually has something to it?
 
2013-02-12 01:04:33 PM
So he's probably got priors.  Nice (lack of) reporting there New York Post.
 
2013-02-12 01:05:28 PM

Mirrorz: Did he have a concealed beverage as well?


High capacity assault cups are banned in NYC.
 
2013-02-12 01:06:56 PM

Corvus: I was told by gun nuts that no one ever gets arrested for possessing illegal guns. Is that not true?


wat
 
2013-02-12 01:08:00 PM
Before people start whining about guns not being allowed on the subway, keep in mind that it's, you know, a subway.

Ever hear the expression fish in a barrel?

Plus the whole thing's covered in signs telling you carrying a firearm is 7 years in prison.
 
2013-02-12 01:11:10 PM

qorkfiend: atomicmask: How did that gun get by the gun free zone bubble around wonderful liberal utopia NYC? That seems impossible.

Do you have any idea how stupid you make yourself look when you say things like that?


As stupid as the people who like to say "another responsible gun owner" look?
 
2013-02-12 01:11:29 PM
semiautomatic? What do people still carry around muskets and flintlock pistols?
 
2013-02-12 01:11:34 PM

Here'sJohnny: Before people start whining about guns not being allowed on the subway, keep in mind that it's, you know, a subway.

Ever hear the expression fish in a barrel?


So the transit cops don't carry?
 
2013-02-12 01:12:59 PM

Stomponfoot: semiautomatic? What do people still carry around muskets and flintlock pistols?


As a matter of fact....

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2013-02-12 01:14:12 PM

atomicmask: How did that gun get by the gun free zone bubble around wonderful liberal utopia NYC? That seems impossible.


Dear moron:

Although our gun-related death rate is lower than almost every other city in the country, with a total chance to be murdered per year equal to .005%, guns from jurisdictions that still enable straw purchases and gun shows do still sometimes make their way into the city. This is one of the side effects of allowing unfettered traffic of goods across state lines, which is why New York representatives and senators are supportive of anti-trafficking measures. On top of that, you can absolutely get a permit for a gun in New York City if you can show you're not likely to go shoot up a school. I know several people who own firearms, perfectly legally, and nobody cares and it wasn't a big hassle because they aren't criminals.
 
2013-02-12 01:16:33 PM
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This is what the subway is like.  All of New York is like this actually.
 
2013-02-12 01:17:47 PM

captainktainer: atomicmask: How did that gun get by the gun free zone bubble around wonderful liberal utopia NYC? That seems impossible.

Dear moron:

Although our gun-related death rate is lower than almost every other city in the country, with a total chance to be murdered per year equal to .005%, guns from jurisdictions that still enable straw purchases and gun shows do still sometimes make their way into the city. This is one of the side effects of allowing unfettered traffic of goods across state lines, which is why New York representatives and senators are supportive of anti-trafficking measures. On top of that, you can absolutely get a permit for a gun in New York City if you can show you're not likely to go shoot up a school. I know several people who own firearms, perfectly legally, and nobody cares and it wasn't a big hassle because they aren't criminals.


TYRANNY!
 
2013-02-12 01:18:14 PM

orclover: Sadly, hand cannons tend to make some people extra cocky.


And it has the opposite effect on a lot of people. When the neighborhood I lived in was worse than it is now I had a CCW and carried sometimes. What I noticed was how it made me more likely to cross the street or avoid conflict. Any confrontation could turn into a deadly force encounter, so the stakes were much higher
 
2013-02-12 01:18:32 PM

Here'sJohnny: Before people start whining about guns not being allowed on the subway, keep in mind that it's, you know, a subway.

Ever hear the expression fish in a barrel?

Plus the whole thing's covered in signs telling you carrying a firearm is 7 years in prison.


Yea, it's the subway...

The scuzzy station with limited exits and poor sight lines, where criminals are more comfortable to commit their acts against people. Time them well enough and you can mug/rob someone and hop onto the train as the doors close!

Or the subway car. The place with zero sight lines, limited police presence and downgraded cellular service.

Yea, I can't imagine why a good citizen might possibly wish to carry the most reliable means of self defense and protection in that kind of environment....
 
2013-02-12 01:19:00 PM
dittybopper:   semiautomatic? What do people still carry around muskets and flintlock pistols?

As a matter of fact....


How much of a recoil does a musket have?  I would love to fire one... and then spend the next couple of minutes reloading it.
 
2013-02-12 01:21:01 PM

captainktainer: atomicmask: How did that gun get by the gun free zone bubble around wonderful liberal utopia NYC? That seems impossible.

Dear moron:

Although our gun-related death rate is lower than almost every other city in the country, with a total chance to be murdered per year equal to .005%,


Dear other moron:  The total chance to be murdered in my city is equal to 0.0021%.  And that's by all causes, and we have more guns than you do.
 
2013-02-12 01:21:06 PM

Molavian: Poor bastard.  Too stupid to leave that pit.


Please. Don't give them any ideas.
 
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