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(Des Moines Register)   Des Moines, Iowa will allow the city's homeless to live in a tented community near a major bridge and thoroughfare. No word on when a fence will be erected "for their safety"   (desmoinesregister.com) divider line 96
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2013-02-12 01:29:58 PM
A bit off topic, but the phrase "for their safety" cracks me up. I can't help but think of mobsters talking to some hapless buisnessman:

"It's a dangerous world out there, lot's of unsafe things. Fires, accidents, late suppliers, even a bad rep that scares away customers. It's really fortunate that you have friends like us who can keep you safe - for a small fee, of course.

Just imagine how much better you'll sleep knowing you, your business and your family are safe."

/Ahh, Safety. What indignity can't you justify?
 
2013-02-12 01:30:15 PM
 

HortusMatris: They're talking about doing something like this in my town this year, too, and they're calling it Opportunity Village.  This idea doesn't seem to be placating the Occupy protesters, though, who are still downtown protesting the ban on letting people just camp out in any public space they want


luring the unsuspecting down-trodden to an internment community called Opportunity, y'say?
 
2013-02-12 01:32:24 PM

brap: inner ted: /i get it, you were the "weird" one in what ever town you came from.  but now you are here and you don't stand out.
/the irony


I get it, you like to stand on street corners with a feather duster in your colon and pass judgement on the world like some ostrich oracle.  After a quick huff of of Nipsy Russell's jock strap, you have "visions" of pure truth.  Say it like it is birdman.

alternate answer

Dad?


did you hit your head?

o i get it, i touched a nerve as to how unique and special you are.

don't worry tiger, i'm sure lots of people are impressed by the spear through your nose, top hat & fixie.  so go pretend to like piss warm pabst & be sure not to get a job.

cause you're an artist
or discovering yourself

or some such shiat
 
2013-02-12 01:42:24 PM
Why bother erecting a fence for their safety?  Just give them all guns.  That way they'll be all polite and not try to steal from each other.
 
2013-02-12 01:43:21 PM

HortusMatris: They're talking about doing something like this in my town this year, too, and they're calling it Opportunity Village.  This idea doesn't seem to be placating the Occupy protesters, though, who are still downtown protesting the ban on letting people just camp out in any public space they want.


I like the naming. It reminds me of Halo Jones. What was it they called the poor and destitute living in the  hoop? Increased leisure citizens, I thnk.


Odd Bird: Gordon Bennett: Mmmm, Soylent Green.

Yep, that came to my mind as well.
Which reminds me; I need new furniture.


As do I. And a Computer Space machine.
 
2013-02-12 01:43:57 PM
i253.photobucket.comHe don't know me very well, do he?
 
2013-02-12 01:46:06 PM
If you want to fix it and have it stay fixed, you should locate the camps far from anywhere beer or cigarettes are sold, and strongly enforce no smoking/drinking laws.

I see nicotine addiction in almost every case.

Coincidence?
 
2013-02-12 01:48:50 PM

RandyJohnson: Still better than living in Davenport.


Who doesn't love their davenport?
 
2013-02-12 01:50:58 PM
A nearby small city has had one of these areas for the last 20 years, a dozen or more kids there and upwards of 70 transient and working-poor residents.

/wetoldthemitwouldtrickledown.jpg
 
2013-02-12 01:51:47 PM
Fark this shiat. Portland has a camp called Right 2 Dream 2 or some bullshiat. It went up after the Occupy business was finally booted from the parks. It's not safe, no matter what the bleeding hearts say. Shelters are always full (I work in one and volunteer for another), but the solution isn't a vacant lot covered in tarps and tents. If I knew how to solve the problem, I'd solve it.
 
2013-02-12 01:57:24 PM
This will end well.

pauldorpat.com
 
2013-02-12 01:59:06 PM
Huh.  I was expecting the article to be about this summer's RAGBRAI, since the route goes through Des Moines.
 
2013-02-12 02:02:27 PM

Mr.Poops: don't have much sympathy for the homeless. Yes, there are some mentally handicapped homeless people that have no other options -- but many homeless choose to be homless because they're lazy or just don't care.


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It is not just as easy as a person "making the choice" to be homeless. Mental illness is one of the biggest issues that bring on the behaviors that ultimately lead to living on the street. It is a far larger problem than people realize as not every person who cannot hold a job is running around with a tin-foil beanie and howling at he moon. There is a whole array of behaviors that will lead to the eviction of a person who may have been in a fine situation prior.

Even if one argues that some people chose to be homeless, it is not a choice made with a clear mind. These same people often also believe things like the fact that (remember, in their minds) that the government placed roaches with radio transmitters n their apartments to watch them. So they stopped living in the apartment and moved to the street. These same persons with their "chosen" homelessness, also self-medicate because the mental health facilities they sorely need are not available to them because they do not exist. But a bottle of MD20/20 helps quiet voices and lessen the ruminations for a while and they can afford it as opposed to a health plan that costs hundreds of dollars a month.

No, it is not logical, but that is the life. And yes, while some may "choose" that life, consider that soundness of logic of that decision in light of some of their other choices for perspective. The reasons people live under bridges are a bit more involved than just saying that this is "what they wanted". See what I am getting at?
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The bridge(s) in question (Bing Map | as best I can figure). Living under a bridge is absolutely no fun. Trust me on this. However, if persons are doing so, there is a problem with the shelter system for any number of reasons from safety to not enough beds. Mayor Frank Cownie said he does not want to "criminalize the homeless" and "I don't think anybody is going to throw anybody in jail", yet the city is quick to post eviction notices. And what do you think will happen if people do not vacate? You guessed it - arrest.

There are countless and distinct reasons why they are homeless. Yes, some of the reasons of substance abuse, mental health and all the other issues apply - and in a very real way. But there are other parts of the equation people like to conveniently forget. Something as simple as a person with an arrest record, will have a far more difficult time finding a job than a person who does not or has the resources to explain or fight the conviction. Just a simple arrest record, say.....something like being evicted from a homeless camp under a bridge and then being arrested for vagrancy puts yet another obstacle in the path to get out of living under that bridge. And try to explain that to a potential employer. And when you can't pay the rent, what is a viable (albeit undesireable) alternative>> Yup, you guessed it....living under a bridge.

But that's ok....because "many homeless choose to be homless" (sic). and you will be with like minded people, yes? It will be like Burning Man, except a lot cheaper!! Also, you won't have to drive 500 miles in the desert or worry about being a participant as opposed to an observer because you have no choice in the matter - you are a participant whether you like it or not. Again, see what I am getting at?

And after the city comes to your rescue (usually during the election cycle) and you told to move or be arrested, it just becomes time to find another bridge I suppose. and wait until the next group of lawmakers feel it necessary to "search for better solutions for the homeless, focusing on public safety and public health." because it worked so well the time before?

Bottom line: nobody says you have to like the homeless. Just don't make their lives more difficult by furthering the myths that living on the street is a happy-happy-joy-joy world of self-determination and Ayn Randian bliss. Yeah, there are some people who are pretty rough out there, but there is a large portion of homeless people who, while not totally lost, still just keep sinking below the waterline of life. They able to grasp for enough air not to drown. But they still are in the water. Please don't thow them cinder blocks painted to look like life preservers.
 
2013-02-12 02:11:11 PM

brap: inner ted: /bet you love to point and scream 'gentrification' a lot too

I AM gentrification but I also think people should be able to move around, this isn't the freaking Middle Ages.

I've always hated that "locals only" bullshiate, sorry surfer Cheech, this ocean ain't yours alone.


Where you fell out of someone's vagina is where you should stay until  you die.
 
2013-02-12 02:11:41 PM
They have quite a bit of that in my neighborhood, mainly because the weather is so mild in winter and people keep coming down.

I dispute the assertion they are mentally ill; typical case is a Joe Lunchbucket type who has been knocked down so many times he has no urge to try anymore, and he finds it easy enough to lounge around, get free food, panhandle a little for cigarette and beer money, and pretty well vegetate.

There is no requirement to try to be better, so people keep staying in the same old hole.
 
2013-02-12 02:12:43 PM

Enuratique: ♫ Des Moines, Iowa - super cool to the homeless. Des Moines, Iowa-wa-wa - super cool to the homeless... ♫

/obscure?


Very. And super-COLD is more like it: why don't they go someplace warm, like Texas, Arizona, New Mexico or SoCal? Is staying homeless in Iowa as symptomatic of mental defectiveness as I think it is?
 
2013-02-12 02:23:05 PM

Kazan: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Why don't they just do all those jobs Americans won't do? Seems silly to import workers when we have enough unemployed people to fill up entire camps.

notsureifserious.jpg

you do realize that most homeless people have untreated mental illness and/or drug addictions that render them incapable of holding a job.... right?


Hey, I have an idea.

Let's make a distinction between chronically homeless mental cases and 20-somethings who need a place to stay between stints of couch-surfing because they're saving money for a down payment and it's too cold to sleep in the car.

That would be cool.

I may be mentally ill, but i was never THAT far gone.
 
2013-02-12 02:23:15 PM
wac.450f.edgecastcdn.net
 
2013-02-12 02:29:11 PM
Someone should call Mason City football and tell them their homeless person is in Des Moines.
 
2013-02-12 02:37:44 PM

Kazan: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Why don't they just do all those jobs Americans won't do? Seems silly to import workers when we have enough unemployed people to fill up entire camps.

notsureifserious.jpg

you do realize that most homeless people have untreated mental illness and/or drug addictions that render them incapable of holding a job.... right?


Unemployed mentally ill dopers?  You mean typical Fartbongo voters right?
 
2013-02-12 02:50:03 PM
Maybe this is what they will spend someof the 800 million in overpaid taxes the state is keeping because they can spend it better than those who they collected it from. One party wanted to give it back to tax payers,guess which one?
 
2013-02-12 02:51:51 PM

Gordon Bennett: HortusMatris: They're talking about doing something like this in my town this year, too, and they're calling it Opportunity Village.  This idea doesn't seem to be placating the Occupy protesters, though, who are still downtown protesting the ban on letting people just camp out in any public space they want.

I like the naming. It reminds me of Halo Jones. What was it they called the poor and destitute living in the  hoop? Increased leisure citizens, I thnk.


I'm a fan of the name too.  It's so appropriately ironic.

We have serious problems with the homeless here.  I remember a couple years ago someone just started going around shooting up bums.  I'm a bad person because part of me secretly rooted for the serial bum killer, but then everyone I talked to had pretty much the same sentiment.  There's only so much shiat a person can take in their own neighborhood before they run out of farks to give about bums.

/not sure if the serial bum killer was even ever caught, as the police have few farks left to give as well

//butt puns intentional

///maybe we could just send all the bums from Eugene up to Portland and let inner ted deal with them.  He's such a bad mofo, I bet after a week-long training camp he'd send 'em back pullin' up their bootstraps with jobs lined up waiting for them.

Just playing, inner ted, don't hurt me!
 
2013-02-12 02:53:20 PM

dv-ous: Kazan: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Why don't they just do all those jobs Americans won't do? Seems silly to import workers when we have enough unemployed people to fill up entire camps.

notsureifserious.jpg

you do realize that most homeless people have untreated mental illness and/or drug addictions that render them incapable of holding a job.... right?

Hey, I have an idea.

Let's make a distinction between chronically homeless mental cases and 20-somethings who need a place to stay between stints of couch-surfing because they're saving money for a down payment and it's too cold to sleep in the car.

That would be cool.

I may be mentally ill, but i was never THAT far gone.


don't be so touchy.. i was obv talking about the persistently homeless. a broke college student doesn't count because they can generally move back in with mommy.
 
2013-02-12 03:11:14 PM

Kazan: dv-ous: Kazan: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Why don't they just do all those jobs Americans won't do? Seems silly to import workers when we have enough unemployed people to fill up entire camps.

notsureifserious.jpg

you do realize that most homeless people have untreated mental illness and/or drug addictions that render them incapable of holding a job.... right?

Hey, I have an idea.

Let's make a distinction between chronically homeless mental cases and 20-somethings who need a place to stay between stints of couch-surfing because they're saving money for a down payment and it's too cold to sleep in the car.

That would be cool.

I may be mentally ill, but i was never THAT far gone.

don't be so touchy.. i was obv talking about the persistently homeless. a broke college student doesn't count because they can generally move back in with mommy.


Touchy? I wrote that with a big grin on my face. Sorry it didn't carry through.

If ever you need a little kick in the pants, spend a night in a homeless shelter. "There but for the grace of god go I" isn't the half of it.

But putting that "persistently" or "chronically" before the homeless is just cricket.
 
2013-02-12 03:23:47 PM

AcneVulgaris: brap: inner ted: /bet you love to point and scream 'gentrification' a lot too

I AM gentrification but I also think people should be able to move around, this isn't the freaking Middle Ages.

I've always hated that "locals only" bullshiate, sorry surfer Cheech, this ocean ain't yours alone.

Where you fell out of someone's vagina is where you should stay until  you die.


lulz
obviously that is a pile of stupid

you either live somewhere that nobody is flocking to or you are a transplant.

and i can appreciate wanting to move somewhere new

i can also appreciate what it's like to be the mecca of jobless douche bag hipsters & what it has done to this city.

hint: it's not an improvement
 
2013-02-12 03:40:10 PM

HortusMatris: Gordon Bennett: HortusMatris: They're talking about doing something like this in my town this year, too, and they're calling it Opportunity Village.  This idea doesn't seem to be placating the Occupy protesters, though, who are still downtown protesting the ban on letting people just camp out in any public space they want.

I like the naming. It reminds me of Halo Jones. What was it they called the poor and destitute living in the  hoop? Increased leisure citizens, I thnk.

I'm a fan of the name too.  It's so appropriately ironic.

We have serious problems with the homeless here.  I remember a couple years ago someone just started going around shooting up bums.  I'm a bad person because part of me secretly rooted for the serial bum killer, but then everyone I talked to had pretty much the same sentiment.  There's only so much shiat a person can take in their own neighborhood before they run out of farks to give about bums.

/not sure if the serial bum killer was even ever caught, as the police have few farks left to give as well

//butt puns intentional

///maybe we could just send all the bums from Eugene up to Portland and let inner ted deal with them.  He's such a bad mofo, I bet after a week-long training camp he'd send 'em back pullin' up their bootstraps with jobs lined up waiting for them.

Just playing, inner ted, don't hurt me!


lolwut

didn't think i came off as ITG  - but sorry if i did

like you say - i can have lots and lots of sympathy, but it has it's bounds.

& no - i don't advocate hunting the homeless
3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-02-12 04:04:03 PM

dv-ous: Kazan: dv-ous: Kazan: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Why don't they just do all those jobs Americans won't do? Seems silly to import workers when we have enough unemployed people to fill up entire camps.

notsureifserious.jpg

you do realize that most homeless people have untreated mental illness and/or drug addictions that render them incapable of holding a job.... right?

Hey, I have an idea.

Let's make a distinction between chronically homeless mental cases and 20-somethings who need a place to stay between stints of couch-surfing because they're saving money for a down payment and it's too cold to sleep in the car.

That would be cool.

I may be mentally ill, but i was never THAT far gone.

don't be so touchy.. i was obv talking about the persistently homeless. a broke college student doesn't count because they can generally move back in with mommy.

Touchy? I wrote that with a big grin on my face. Sorry it didn't carry through.

If ever you need a little kick in the pants, spend a night in a homeless shelter. "There but for the grace of god go I" isn't the half of it.

But putting that "persistently" or "chronically" before the homeless is just cricket.


i thought i detected snark, but it doesn't carry well in text.
 
2013-02-12 04:48:52 PM

brap: I usually don't encourage hitchhiking but living under a bridge in Iowa would be a little too hardcore for my tastes.

Also, I have a feeling that rent would be cheaper than heating a camper with propane.


You didn't put much thought into that second sentence, did you?
 
2013-02-12 04:55:03 PM

Spirit Hammer: Greylight: A start. If there is a need why not more shelters? Or to save money why not state welfare that pays for accommodations. Homeless living in camps is a shamful display of the communities priorities.

The shelters are pretty under-utilized unless the weather is terrible.
They can't seem to make a shelter without making rules too. Something that most of the homeless I've interacted with are trying to avoid.
"No sitting around smoking"
"No drinking"
"No Drugs"
"No sex.
If the alternative is camping, they choose camping.


TFA cites the lack of space in shelters as a contributing factor. More to the point though shelters don't get their peak usage in the worst weather, that's when people hunker down wherever they are at.

You're right in at one point, alcoholics are regularly turned out from any supporting organization regardless of their mental health. It's disgraceful.

It's also a foolish waste of money as they often end up in the hospital or needing to be temporarily housed in hotels by social services. If it wasn't for trying to appease middle class guilt and blaming the needy for their situation we could save tax dollars and actually do something good for society in general. Instead we pander to the lies and preconceived notions that allow our politicians to avoid tackeling unpopular issues.

No one should be hungry or poor in North America except as a failure on all of our parts.
 
2013-02-12 05:09:20 PM

HortusMatris: They're talking about doing something like this in my town this year, too, and they're calling it Opportunity Village.  This idea doesn't seem to be placating the Occupy protesters, though, who are still downtown protesting the ban on letting people just camp out in any public space they want.


Why should Occupy be placated by mere talk about looking for a nonprofit to do something next summer?
 
2013-02-12 05:15:09 PM

Greylight: A start. If there is a need why not more shelters? Or to save money why not state welfare that pays for accommodations. Homeless living in camps is a shamful display of the communities priorities.


Needs are infinite; resources are not.  Welcome to economics 101.
 
2013-02-12 05:20:46 PM

BarkingUnicorn: Greylight: A start. If there is a need why not more shelters? Or to save money why not state welfare that pays for accommodations. Homeless living in camps is a shamful display of the communities priorities.

Needs are infinite; resources are not.  Welcome to economics 101.


It's cheaper to pay the rent for them in the long term.

Welcome to math.
 
2013-02-12 05:36:44 PM

BarkingUnicorn: brap: I usually don't encourage hitchhiking but living under a bridge in Iowa would be a little too hardcore for my tastes.

Also, I have a feeling that rent would be cheaper than heating a camper with propane.

You didn't put much thought into that second sentence, did you?


You ask a lot of rhetorical questions don't you?
 
2013-02-12 06:14:28 PM
Oh, hot like the Fema Coffin craziness.
 
2013-02-12 06:23:28 PM
Ya know...
They need to set up a soap and candle-making facility on-site... it's been done before...
While we're at it, I think they could use a really nice inspirational saying over the gate.... something like, I don't know,,, "Work makes you free".
It might also be a nice place for gypsies to stay, too...
 
2013-02-12 06:33:37 PM

BarkingUnicorn: Greylight: A start. If there is a need why not more shelters? Or to save money why not state welfare that pays for accommodations. Homeless living in camps is a shamful display of the communities priorities.

Needs are infinite; resources are not.  Welcome to economics 101.


Actually, resources are plentiful.  Our economic system of distributing them is terrible.

Look at how much food we waste.  How much food gets thrown out in restarautns every night?  How much food is tossed out in grocery stores due to spoilage?  How much food gets tossed out in homes due to waste and spoilage?

We've got more empty homes than we have homeless people.  Yeah, some of those homeless people would probably ruin the homes or leave, but they probably need medical/psychiatric care. . .which we can't provide because our healthcare system is shiat.

Look at all the clothes that get dumped off to third world countries, or are otherwise disposed of.

We, as a society, have plenty to go around.  We have plenty to feed, house and clothe the masses without problem.

Our economic system, however, is based on "fark you, it's mine", which is terrible for providing for everybody.
 
2013-02-12 06:37:03 PM
There are six times as many empty houses as homeless people. The fact that there are any number of homeless people when there are a larger number of empty houses is pretty solid evidence that the system does not work.
 
2013-02-12 06:52:49 PM
I feel sorry enough for people in dead moines already

must be a real horror show if you're stuck there homeless...hopeless...another man's sac

everyone knows the bestest place to be homeless is iowa city

and live in the steam tunnels by the bridge

chud...
 
2013-02-12 06:58:55 PM
Mr.Poops
many homeless choose to be homless because they're lazy or just don't care.

"many"


inner ted
& no, you are NOT gentrification and neither am i. it's a bullshiat word & a bullshiat idea.

You've probably never heard of it.


Spirit Hammer
They can't seem to make a shelter without making rules too. Something that most of the homeless I've interacted with are trying to avoid.
"No sitting around smoking"
"No drinking"
"No Drugs"
"No sex.


"Show up between exactly 7-8PM and if you're not in the first half of the line we'll run out of room. You get 20 nights per year. We'll hang on to your medications for you. If you fail a drug test or break any rules you're banned for life. If someone attacks you because he's crazy or thinks you stole something and you defend yourself, you're both banned. The appeals process is mostly hypothetical, especially if you can't afford a lawyer (you can't) or the public advocate nonprofit is understaffed (it is). Now fill out these twelve forms that you don't have the paperwork for and make three appointments by Tuesday with people who are on vacation until Wednesday or you're kicked out. If you have to go camp and end up getting raped or stabbed or die of hypothermia, we'll hold a candlelight vigil for you."


Smock Pot
Fark this shiat. Portland has a camp called Right 2 Dream 2 or some bullshiat. It went up after the Occupy business was finally booted from the parks. It's not safe, no matter what the bleeding hearts say.

Statistics are for bleeding-heart hippies, apparently.

If I knew how to solve the problem, I'd solve it.

So then shut your farking cakehole.

/lol you actually typed "Fark"


olddinosaur
There is no requirement to try to be better, so people keep staying in the same old hole.

Why should there be? Why is there a requirement to come up with tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars just to live inside when there are so farking many empty houses, not even counting vacant stores and warehouses? Maybe people wouldn't act so knocked down if the barrier to entry for basic dignity was low enough that everyone could reach it, hm?


BarkingUnicorn
Why should Occupy be placated by mere talk about looking for a nonprofit to do something next summer?

Why should they be placated? "Occupy" is a tactic, not a brand. It means "GO farkING TAKE A BUILDING".
 
2013-02-12 08:29:14 PM

Kazan: you do realize that most homeless people have untreated mental illness been in and out of mental health facilities and non-complaint with medication and/or drug addictions have been to the local detox center so many times they get put on the "do not admit" list which renders them incapable of holding a job.... right?


Sorry, week 4 of 6 out of psych clerkship and pretty disillusioned with the mental health scene.
 
2013-02-12 08:39:12 PM

LiberalEastCoastElitist: Kazan: you do realize that most homeless people have untreated mental illness been in and out of mental health facilities and non-complaint with medication and/or drug addictions have been to the local detox center so many times they get put on the "do not admit" list which renders them incapable of holding a job.... right?

Sorry, week 4 of 6 out of psych clerkship and pretty disillusioned with the mental health scene.


i didn't say the cause of it being untreated. those are not the only causes, but they are some of them.
 
2013-02-12 08:49:15 PM

Kazan: LiberalEastCoastElitist: Kazan: you do realize that most homeless people have untreated mental illness been in and out of mental health facilities and non-complaint with medication and/or drug addictions have been to the local detox center so many times they get put on the "do not admit" list which renders them incapable of holding a job.... right?

Sorry, week 4 of 6 out of psych clerkship and pretty disillusioned with the mental health scene.

i didn't say the cause of it being untreated. those are not the only causes, but they are some of them.


I strongly strongly doubt more than 10% of mentally ill homeless people have not been to a psychiatrist. Sooner or later they do something whereby someone calls the cops on them and they end up at the ER and admitted to the psych unit. I don't know where people get the idea that they're discharged back to the community with no follow up. The hard truth is they don't give a shiat about their own well being. Alot of them were rotten bastards to their family and friends and burned all the bridges there. Once they have a diagnosis of schizophrenia or bipolar they can become eligible for social security disability, medicare and other goodies, provided they're willing to follow through with the lawyer and social worker visits. Alot of people do take advantage and lead ok lives. You don't notice those ones because they're not living under a bridge.
 
2013-02-12 09:25:58 PM

LiberalEastCoastElitist: Kazan: LiberalEastCoastElitist: Kazan: you do realize that most homeless people have untreated mental illness been in and out of mental health facilities and non-complaint with medication and/or drug addictions have been to the local detox center so many times they get put on the "do not admit" list which renders them incapable of holding a job.... right?

Sorry, week 4 of 6 out of psych clerkship and pretty disillusioned with the mental health scene.

i didn't say the cause of it being untreated. those are not the only causes, but they are some of them.

I strongly strongly doubt more than 10% of mentally ill homeless people have not been to a psychiatrist. Sooner or later they do something whereby someone calls the cops on them and they end up at the ER and admitted to the psych unit. I don't know where people get the idea that they're discharged back to the community with no follow up. The hard truth is they don't give a shiat about their own well being. Alot of them were rotten bastards to their family and friends and burned all the bridges there. Once they have a diagnosis of schizophrenia or bipolar they can become eligible for social security disability, medicare and other goodies, provided they're willing to follow through with the lawyer and social worker visits. Alot of people do take advantage and lead ok lives. You don't notice those ones because they're not living under a bridge.


People get the idea that people with serious mental illnesses are discharged with no follow up because it happens all the time. It's quaint that you have so much faith in the system and I really hate to ruin your rosey view but the mental health system is underfunded and not functioning well.

Championing mental health reform does not lead to votes and as you so successfully demonstrated some people are so callous they believe someone with active scitzophrenia to pick themselves up by their own bootstraps or perish as a punishment for the grief their disorder has caused others.
 
2013-02-12 10:43:09 PM

vpb: Well, it's easier to manage the problem if you have a camp or something where you can concentrate them.  Maybe we can finally have a solution to the problem.


Done in one!
 
2013-02-13 01:36:30 AM

Spirit Hammer: Greylight: A start. If there is a need why not more shelters? Or to save money why not state welfare that pays for accommodations. Homeless living in camps is a shamful display of the communities priorities.

The shelters are pretty under-utilized unless the weather is terrible.
They can't seem to make a shelter without making rules too. Something that most of the homeless I've interacted with are trying to avoid.
"No sitting around smoking"
"No drinking"
"No Drugs"
"No sex.
If the alternative is camping, they choose camping.


And the preaching.  That has always been the first complaint I hear about with shelters.
 
2013-02-13 10:46:09 AM

YixilTesiphon: But that weak episode of DS9 was set in San Francisco.


But it gave us the awesome scene where Sisko cocked a pump shotgun one-handed.
 
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