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2013-02-12 10:04:42 AM
Sex change?

RTFA

yep. It's something I don't understand. Maybe someone could ask Anthony Coulter about this.
 
2013-02-12 10:09:53 AM
No need to get all racial here subby.
 
2013-02-12 10:36:11 AM
This is what happens, Larry
 
2013-02-12 11:12:27 AM
Tennis clap.
 
2013-02-12 11:13:50 AM
Brown University? They got one of those in Providence!
 
2013-02-12 11:14:42 AM
unintentionally hilarious cms page label:  .../brown-university-insurance-covers-sex-changes-stud/
 
2013-02-12 11:19:48 AM
After you send the last payment to Sallie Mae, you get your penis back.
 
2013-02-12 11:21:45 AM
As long a not a single penny of tax money is used to subsidize this program i'm OK with this.

I don't care how you mutilate your body to deal with your mental/emotional problems as long others aren't paying for it unknowingly. If i was a student there and my insurance plan costs increased because of this new policy i would have words with the university.
 
2013-02-12 11:24:25 AM

Xcott: After you send the last payment to Sallie Mae, you get your penis back.


An addadictomy.
 
2013-02-12 11:25:16 AM
I wonder if they'd cover penis enlargement?
 
2013-02-12 11:35:22 AM
This is good news for my incarcerated business partner's retarded gay niece, who went to Brown.
 
2013-02-12 11:36:41 AM

jaybeezey: As long a not a single penny of tax money is used to subsidize this program i'm OK with this.

I don't care how you mutilate your body to deal with your mental/emotional problems as long others aren't paying for it unknowingly. If i was a student there and my insurance plan costs increased because of this new policy i would have words with the university.


Why?

First - it's not mutilation, it's the accepted treatment for a medical and mental health condition that is frequently fatal (via suicide or homicide, but still).  Do you tell people with heart disease due to smoking "suck it up"?  41% of transgender people report having attempted suicide - and that's the ones that *fail*.

/I predict a lot of transphobia here.
//Jokes about Ann Coulter count, as do addadictomy jokes.
 
2013-02-12 11:37:47 AM

swankywanky: This is good news for my incarcerated business partner's retarded gay niece, who went to Brown.


WTF would that matter?  Sexual orientation and gender identity are two different things.  One is who you want to wake up with, the other is who you are waking up *as*.
 
2013-02-12 11:41:03 AM

Exception Collection: swankywanky: This is good news for my incarcerated business partner's retarded gay niece, who went to Brown.

WTF would that matter?  Sexual orientation and gender identity are two different things.  One is who you want to wake up with, the other is who you are waking up *as*.


you know - if I had been on Fark since 2011, and I was a Total Fark member, and then I saw something that was written to be a little too extreme, I might...just might...want to drop over to google and check it out before I went off on something.

/psstt....  over here -->  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YF0k18ahjlY

//but hey, that's just me
 
2013-02-12 11:41:42 AM
I can't imagine college driving someone so insane they wanna chop their own dick off...
 
2013-02-12 11:41:53 AM
I was under the impression the process took longer than four years, which would make it odd for the university to cover it. Perhaps coverage ends when you graduate?
 
2013-02-12 11:47:46 AM
I almost went to Brown. Glad I didn't

/Columbia SEAS '01
 
2013-02-12 11:50:25 AM

Exception Collection: jaybeezey: As long a not a single penny of tax money is used to subsidize this program i'm OK with this.

I don't care how you mutilate your body to deal with your mental/emotional problems as long others aren't paying for it unknowingly. If i was a student there and my insurance plan costs increased because of this new policy i would have words with the university.

Why?

First - it's not mutilation, it's the accepted treatment for a medical and mental health condition that is frequently fatal (via suicide or homicide, but still).  Do you tell people with heart disease due to smoking "suck it up"?  41% of transgender people report having attempted suicide - and that's the ones that *fail*.

/I predict a lot of transphobia here.
//Jokes about Ann Coulter count, as do addadictomy jokes.


Yes i would tell people who have wrecked their bodies due to their habits/addiction to suck it up.

Is that 41% post or pre-op? If it's post-op, then obviously the treatment doesn't work.

I treat it the same way that i would treat someone who though that they were a lizard in a human's body. If you want to tattoo scales all over and get dermal implants to make yourself more lizard like, then knock yourself out. Just don,t expect others to cover the cost of your chemical imbalance.
 
2013-02-12 11:50:39 AM
Exception Collection:

First - it's not mutilation, it's the accepted treatment for a medical and mental health condition that is frequently fatal (via suicide or homicide, but still).

I have a physical and mental condition that requires me to get my body altered by extensive plastic surgery that nobody could argue is mutilation after seeing me once: it's called middle age. Deep down inside I'm meant to be a handsome 26 year old. So SEND ME MONEY if you're not a hater! Or do you want me to hold my breath until I die?!?!


EIP! KTHX!
 
2013-02-12 11:59:39 AM
How can we tell which option they picked?
 
2013-02-12 12:05:03 PM

jaybeezey: Exception Collection: jaybeezey: As long a not a single penny of tax money is used to subsidize this program i'm OK with this.

I don't care how you mutilate your body to deal with your mental/emotional problems as long others aren't paying for it unknowingly. If i was a student there and my insurance plan costs increased because of this new policy i would have words with the university.

Why?

First - it's not mutilation, it's the accepted treatment for a medical and mental health condition that is frequently fatal (via suicide or homicide, but still).  Do you tell people with heart disease due to smoking "suck it up"?  41% of transgender people report having attempted suicide - and that's the ones that *fail*.

/I predict a lot of transphobia here.
//Jokes about Ann Coulter count, as do addadictomy jokes.

Yes i would tell people who have wrecked their bodies due to their habits/addiction to suck it up.

Is that 41% post or pre-op? If it's post-op, then obviously the treatment doesn't work.

I treat it the same way that i would treat someone who though that they were a lizard in a human's body. If you want to tattoo scales all over and get dermal implants to make yourself more lizard like, then knock yourself out. Just don,t expect others to cover the cost of your chemical imbalance.


Except that insurance doesn't work that way - people that ruin their bodies through habits/addictions get their treatments with the same insurance, usually without paying much extra into the system.

As for the lizard in a human's body, that's a fairly offensive, incorrect and irritating analogy.  Also, people that think they are lizards are incorrect, and this can be proven scientifically.  People that are transgender can, however, provide evidence that they are in fact transgender - fMRI's, for example, show far closer similarities between transwomen and ciswomen than they do transwomen and men.

/The One True TheDavid, congratulations.  You're the second person in 14 years of Farking to make it to my ignore list.
 
2013-02-12 12:05:16 PM

jaybeezey: As long a not a single penny of tax money is used to subsidize this program i'm OK with this.

I don't care how you mutilate your body to deal with your mental/emotional problems as long others aren't paying for it unknowingly. If i was a student there and my insurance plan costs increased because of this new policy i would have words with the university.


I'm inclined to agree with you but would probably be more sympathetic to the issues people are dealing with.

That being said cutting people up and putting them on a lifetime cocktail of hormones and anti-depressants doesn't seem like the best public policy.
 
2013-02-12 12:11:47 PM

ck1938: jaybeezey: As long a not a single penny of tax money is used to subsidize this program i'm OK with this.

I don't care how you mutilate your body to deal with your mental/emotional problems as long others aren't paying for it unknowingly. If i was a student there and my insurance plan costs increased because of this new policy i would have words with the university.

I'm inclined to agree with you but would probably be more sympathetic to the issues people are dealing with.

That being said cutting people up and putting them on a lifetime cocktail of hormones and anti-depressants doesn't seem like the best public policy.


What do you have against women with Ovarian cancer?  It's not their fault they are on hormones...

More seriously, anti-depressants don't really work on transwomen - it's that difference between chemical vs. real depression.  They also aren't frequently dispensed post-transition.

jaybeezey: Is that 41% post or pre-op? If it's post-op, then obviously the treatment doesn't work.


That's pre-transition, including time closeted.  Post-op suicide rate drops to within 1% of normal; in addition, general happiness for those that have been treated goes up significantly, generally (though not always) causing an increase in ability to handle life, leading to higher incomes and a better quality of life.  It's almost as if the treatment works!
 
2013-02-12 12:29:33 PM
A sex change can cost upwards of $50,000?  That's bullshiat.  My bill for a simple two level discectomy was $70,000 before insurance.  Why is the medical profession biased towards sex changes?
 
2013-02-12 12:37:50 PM

Exception Collection: jaybeezey: Is that 41% post or pre-op? If it's post-op, then obviously the treatment doesn't work.

That's pre-transition, including time closeted. Post-op suicide rate drops to within 1% of normal; in addition, general happiness for those that have been treated goes up significantly, generally (though not always) causing an increase in ability to handle life, leading to higher incomes and a better quality of life. It's almost as if the treatment works!


Except that disrupts the narrative that jay has decided upon.  So, which way do we think we're going to go with this conversation: denial of the evidence, claiming that it's contrary to personal anecdotal evidence, or an honest re-evaluation of his position?
 
2013-02-12 12:48:55 PM

SphericalTime: Exception Collection: jaybeezey: Is that 41% post or pre-op? If it's post-op, then obviously the treatment doesn't work.

That's pre-transition, including time closeted. Post-op suicide rate drops to within 1% of normal; in addition, general happiness for those that have been treated goes up significantly, generally (though not always) causing an increase in ability to handle life, leading to higher incomes and a better quality of life. It's almost as if the treatment works!

Except that disrupts the narrative that jay has decided upon.  So, which way do we think we're going to go with this conversation: denial of the evidence, claiming that it's contrary to personal anecdotal evidence, or an honest re-evaluation of his position?


I always hope for honest re-evaluation.  People can't help being stupid, but they can help being ignorant.  Unfortunately, most people seem to be happy being both.  And I've had at least one person that I thought was trolling that I actually managed to get through to - though I only learned that yesterday, in a TFD parody thread.

/I can't always tell when people are jerking my chain, so I default to assuming they're serious rather than assuming everyone's out to get me.
 
2013-02-12 01:01:53 PM
Exception Collection:

fMRI's, for example, show far closer similarities between transwomen and ciswomen than they do transwomen and men.

Before or after they take gobs of female hormones for several years?


/The One True TheDavid, congratulations.  You're the second person in 14 years of Farking to make it to my ignore list.

S/he really knows how to flatter a guy.

By the way, all the trans-advocates out there are welcome to contribute toward the procedures necessary for my mental health and longevity: I'll need jaw and chin resculpting, lots of male hormones (especially steroids), liposuction, voice deepening and several forehead ridges. Or do you hate transklingons?!?
 
2013-02-12 01:01:58 PM

Exception Collection: SphericalTime: Exception Collection: jaybeezey: Is that 41% post or pre-op? If it's post-op, then obviously the treatment doesn't work.

That's pre-transition, including time closeted. Post-op suicide rate drops to within 1% of normal; in addition, general happiness for those that have been treated goes up significantly, generally (though not always) causing an increase in ability to handle life, leading to higher incomes and a better quality of life. It's almost as if the treatment works!

Except that disrupts the narrative that jay has decided upon.  So, which way do we think we're going to go with this conversation: denial of the evidence, claiming that it's contrary to personal anecdotal evidence, or an honest re-evaluation of his position?

I always hope for honest re-evaluation.  People can't help being stupid, but they can help being ignorant.  Unfortunately, most people seem to be happy being both.  And I've had at least one person that I thought was trolling that I actually managed to get through to - though I only learned that yesterday, in a TFD parody thread.

/I can't always tell when people are jerking my chain, so I default to assuming they're serious rather than assuming everyone's out to get me.


I appreciate your optimism.
 
2013-02-12 01:14:05 PM

jaybeezey: As long a not a single penny of tax money is used to subsidize this program i'm OK with this.


Brown gets tax breaks from the city & state (*being nonprofit), but I believe any incoming government grant money is earmarked for research purposes and projects only.

Interesting to see the student reaction to this, as tuition and fees up there on College Hill aren't known to be all that cheap.
 
2013-02-12 01:15:40 PM
Not to sound trollish but could gender identity disorder be considered a form of body integrity identity disorderhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_integrity_identity_disorder ? In both cases the patient is positive that they were born into the wrong body shape and only surgical alterations will make them right.
 
2013-02-12 01:16:35 PM
Exception Collection:

More seriously, anti-depressants don't really work on transwomen

[citation needed]


- it's that difference between chemical vs. real depression.

Chemical depression IS real depression. Just ask the psychiatry faculty of every medical school in the USA.

What antidepressants ain't good for is situational blues, like when you lose your job: if your mood gets magically restored when you're hired at Apple you weren't "chemically" depressed. (Knowing what you're talking about is a big plus.)

Aren't female hormones implicated in people's moods anyway? You know, as in PMS and post-partum depression? I'm no expert but my hunch is my mood might improve on lots of estrogens: balding is a biatch.


jaybeezey: Is that 41% post or pre-op? If it's post-op, then obviously the treatment doesn't work.

That's pre-transition, including time closeted.  Post-op suicide rate drops to within 1% of normal; in addition, general happiness for those that have been treated goes up significantly, generally (though not always) causing an increase in ability to handle life, leading to higher incomes and a better quality of life.  It's almost as if the treatment works!


Again, [citation needed]. And no, "the voices in my butt" don't count.

And it's too bad the vast majority of post-ops I've seen still can't pass as real women.

On the other hand, with the surgical procedures I deeply need nobody will be able to tell I wasn't born a Klingon. Even my lousy dentition would fit right in.
 
2013-02-12 01:17:46 PM
Slypork:

Not to sound trollish but could gender identity disorder be considered a form of body integrity identity disorderhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_integrity_identity_disorder ? In both cases the patient is positive that they were born into the wrong body shape and only surgical alterations will make them right.

Yeah but I really AM a Klingon deep down inside. I've ALWAYS known it too!!!!
 
2013-02-12 01:18:42 PM
This is a good thing and I am glad that this is available to students

/dealwithit
 
2013-02-12 01:37:54 PM
This is how I was MEANT to look.

images1.wikia.nocookie.net

And I'm sure my brain fMRI would be closer to a cisklingon's than to a human male. Especially on heavy steroids (and crystal meth, indispensible to most trannies I've known).

So pass the blood wine. NOW, you puny humans.
 
2013-02-12 01:45:44 PM

The One True TheDavid: This is how I was MEANT to look.

[images1.wikia.nocookie.net image 331x317]

And I'm sure my brain fMRI would be closer to a cisklingon's than to a human male. Especially on heavy steroids (and crystal meth, indispensible to most trannies I've known).

So pass the blood wine. NOW, you puny humans.


Hah! Hab SoSlI' Quch! (translation:Your mother has a smooth forehead!)
 
2013-02-12 02:18:37 PM

mrlewish: No need to get all racial here subby.


Exactly - what about white students that seek such a change? Do they have to wait in the back of the O.R.???
 
2013-02-12 02:45:18 PM

Slypork: The One True TheDavid: This is how I was MEANT to look.

[images1.wikia.nocookie.net image 331x317]

And I'm sure my brain fMRI would be closer to a cisklingon's than to a human male. Especially on heavy steroids (and crystal meth, indispensible to most trannies I've known).

So pass the blood wine. NOW, you puny humans.

Hah! Hab SoSlI' Quch! (translation:Your mother has a smooth forehead!)


The difference being that human women actually exist, making it possible to verify my reasoning. Klingons, sadly, exist only on TV and in the delusional minds of people too afraid or too stupid to face the reality that the world is a complicated and wonderful thing.
 
2013-02-12 08:08:37 PM
i1171.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-12 08:16:13 PM

Exception Collection: Slypork: The One True TheDavid: This is how I was MEANT to look.

[images1.wikia.nocookie.net image 331x317]

And I'm sure my brain fMRI would be closer to a cisklingon's than to a human male. Especially on heavy steroids (and crystal meth, indispensible to most trannies I've known).

So pass the blood wine. NOW, you puny humans.

Hah! Hab SoSlI' Quch! (translation:Your mother has a smooth forehead!)

The difference being that human women actually exist, making it possible to verify my reasoning. Klingons, sadly, exist only on TV and in the delusional minds of people too afraid or too stupid to face the reality that the world is a complicated and wonderful thing.


The problem is that "transwomen" will likewise never be real women, regardless of what they have done to themselves. If you're born XY with a normal penis & testicles it makes no sense whatsover to claim to be anything but male. A feminine male, yes; a woman, no. Anyone who cannot accept this inescapable fact of simple biology is mentally unbalanced, and those who support him in his delusion are likewise unwise.

And yes, the same goes for women: Chastity Bono is a mutilated woman, nothing like a real man. There's nothing wrong with being lesbian or even a "bull dyke," neither of which necessitate removing her breasts and humiliating herself on TV.

Again, there's nothing wrong with being a feminine man or a masculine woman, nor is there anything wrong with being homo-, hetero- or bisexual. For that matter there's nothing wrong with being a celibate androgyne or a voluntary castrato. It is possible to be any of these without retreating into a fantasy world where words mean whatever you want them to mean, as it is possible to practice cosmetic surgery without selling or reinforcing "transsexual" delusions.

I don't give a damn what adults do to their own bodies. What I object to is using PC to force the rest of us to acquiesce in some silly fantasy game or risk being called "haters."

If Renee Richards is a woman and Chaz Bono is a man then I am a Klingon. Once you've accepted the first two what basis do you have to reject my Klingonicity? If the first two are anything but deluded fantasists how dare you deny my transspeciality. What are y'all but hypocritical haters? What could your objection be but that we are not (yet) on the Kewl List you've swallowed whole?

Furries, transklingons, amputee-wannabes and half the Jackson family are clearly entitled to your support. In for a penny, in for a pound. And you better allow us to dictate the "Reality" of the subject to you as well, regardless of whatever plain facts that might contravene: you are Nice People, aren't you?!?

"Help, help! I'm being repressed!"
 
2013-02-13 12:24:39 AM

Exception Collection: Why?

First - it's not mutilation, it's the accepted treatment for a medical and mental health condition that is frequently fatal (via suicide or homicide, but still).  Do you tell people with heart disease due to smoking "suck it up"?  41% of transgender people report having attempted suicide - and that's the ones that *fail*.

/I predict a lot of transphobia here.
//Jokes about Ann Coulter count, as do addadictomy jokes.



No need to abuse the word phobia anymore.

Just call it bigotry or ignorance.
 
2013-02-13 12:42:46 AM

Chicken Soda: Exception Collection:
[...]

/I predict a lot of transphobia here.
//Jokes about Ann Coulter count, as do addadictomy jokes.

No need to abuse the word phobia anymore.

Just call it bigotry or ignorance.


Ignorance of what? Anatomy? Biology? Common sense?

If by "bigotry" you mean my refusal to let your political doctrine overwhelm the evidence of my own senses and my Reason then so help me I shall continue to live and eventually die a "bigot."

You have a right to believe whatever bullshiat you want for whatever reason you please, but I refuse you the right to require me to agree; not only that but I dispute your power to do so.


O'Brien held up his left hand, its back towards Winston, with the thumb hidden and the four fingers extended.

'How many fingers am I holding up, Winston?'

'Four.'

'And if the party says that it is not four but five -- then how many?'

'Four.'
 
2013-02-13 10:10:40 AM

The One True TheDavid: If by "bigotry" you mean my refusal to let your political doctrine overwhelm the evidence of my own senses and my Reason then so help me I shall continue to live and eventually die a "bigot."

You have a right to believe whatever bullshiat you want for whatever reason you please, but I refuse you the right to require me to agree; not only that but I dispute your power to do so.

O'Brien held up his left hand, its back towards Winston, with the thumb hidden and the four fingers extended.

'How many fingers am I holding up, Winston?'

'Four.'

'And if the party says that it is not four but five -- then how many?'

'Four.'


Ah, quoting George Orwell.  How ... pubescent.

Orwell tried to warn the world about creeping totalitarianism.  Instead he just inspired a nation of 13-year-olds to rage against math teachers and the oppression of being put on an ignore list.
 
2013-02-13 10:20:02 AM

Xcott: The One True TheDavid: If by "bigotry" you mean my refusal to let your political doctrine overwhelm the evidence of my own senses and my Reason then so help me I shall continue to live and eventually die a "bigot."

You have a right to believe whatever bullshiat you want for whatever reason you please, but I refuse you the right to require me to agree; not only that but I dispute your power to do so.

O'Brien held up his left hand, its back towards Winston, with the thumb hidden and the four fingers extended.

'How many fingers am I holding up, Winston?'

'Four.'

'And if the party says that it is not four but five -- then how many?'

'Four.'

Ah, quoting George Orwell.  How ... pubescent.

Orwell tried to warn the world about creeping totalitarianism.  Instead he just inspired a nation of 13-year-olds to rage against math teachers and the oppression of being put on an ignore list.


I'm almost 50. You insist on not getting it. Welcome to my Ignore list.
 
2013-02-13 12:31:47 PM

Chicken Soda: Exception Collection: Why?

First - it's not mutilation, it's the accepted treatment for a medical and mental health condition that is frequently fatal (via suicide or homicide, but still).  Do you tell people with heart disease due to smoking "suck it up"?  41% of transgender people report having attempted suicide - and that's the ones that *fail*.

/I predict a lot of transphobia here.
//Jokes about Ann Coulter count, as do addadictomy jokes.


No need to abuse the word phobia anymore.

Just call it bigotry or ignorance.


The only meaning words have is the meaning we (as a society) give them.  See: Xenophobia, "fear of that which is alien".
 
2013-02-13 02:52:16 PM
Fark is full of degenerates that don't realize how far they and their society has fallen, how "Spiffy".
 
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