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2013-02-12 10:00:05 AM
I'm torn. Because I enjoyed a decent amount of his earlier work, but lately, he's been obsessed with Apocalyptic fantasies of government take over, and they aren't really commentary or observation of social conditions, but DERP of the highest caliber...
 
2013-02-12 10:08:35 AM
If he writes good stories, does it really matter what his points of views are? Everyone is entitled to their opinion. One should be able to separate their personal opinions from their line of work.

Yes I'm talking to you Dixie Chicks haters.
 
2013-02-12 10:09:08 AM
There's always been something a little pedocreepy about Orson Scott Card.
 
2013-02-12 10:11:52 AM

bulok: If he writes good stories, does it really matter what his points of views are? Everyone is entitled to their opinion. One should be able to separate their personal opinions from their line of work.

Yes I'm talking to you Dixie Chicks haters.


Opinion, yes.  And when it was just opinion I continued to support his work despite disagreeing with him.  However, he has gone on to take active part in running and maintaining political organizations seeking to make that opinion law.  While I can't fault him for that, I also wont support his work.

Opinion: Everyone's got one
Donations: Personal wealth, personal choice
Active involvement with organizations I disagree with: I'm no longer supporting your day job
 
2013-02-12 10:15:01 AM
So Superman now stands for truth, justice, and the traditional family way?
 
2013-02-12 10:15:08 AM

LowbrowDeluxe: bulok: If he writes good stories, does it really matter what his points of views are? Everyone is entitled to their opinion. One should be able to separate their personal opinions from their line of work.

Yes I'm talking to you Dixie Chicks haters.

Opinion, yes.  And when it was just opinion I continued to support his work despite disagreeing with him.  However, he has gone on to take active part in running and maintaining political organizations seeking to make that opinion law.  While I can't fault him for that, I also wont support his work.

Opinion: Everyone's got one
Donations: Personal wealth, personal choice
Active involvement with organizations I disagree with: I'm no longer supporting your day job


Agreed.  I'll let him have his opinions.   However, I won't financially support a man who allocates his money to things I deem morally reprehensible.
 
2013-02-12 10:15:34 AM

bulok: If he writes good stories, does it really matter what his points of views are? Everyone is entitled to their opinion. One should be able to separate their personal opinions from their line of work.


true, but when i buy his book he takes the proceeds and pours them into direct political actions based on his looney tunes right wing religious views.
 
2013-02-12 10:16:15 AM
If Card doesn't work out what's Miller up to?  I'd like me some topless Lois Lane with swastika nipple pasties.
 
2013-02-12 10:19:37 AM
As a gay comic nerd, I have no problem with this. While he's a tool, artistic output should be considered on its own merits, not the merits of the person creating it.
 
2013-02-12 10:20:40 AM
So now it's immoral to NOT be gay?
 
2013-02-12 10:20:42 AM

hubiestubert: I'm torn. Because I enjoyed a decent amount of his earlier work, but lately, he's been obsessed with Apocalyptic fantasies of government take over, and they aren't really commentary or observation of social conditions, but DERP of the highest caliber...


Different people deal with writers block in different ways.  David Brin was in a pretty long drought but he recently eked out a decent new novel.  Of course Brin probably can probably fall back on work in astronomy or whatever his PhD is in while he works on a new idea.  Card is just a writer and if he can't put a good story idea together he might see publishing DERP as an outlet for his frustrations.  Here's to hoping he climbs down off the DERP train and does something useful with his life.
 
2013-02-12 10:21:55 AM

bulok: If he writes good stories, does it really matter what his points of views are?


Unfortunately, his good stories were written some time ago, his point of view doesn't help.
 
2013-02-12 10:24:50 AM

bulok: If he writes good stories, does it really matter what his points of views are? Everyone is entitled to their opinion. One should be able to separate their personal opinions from their line of work.

Yes I'm talking to you Dixie Chicks haters.


The problem is that I don't have a lot of faith in his ability to write decent stories, given his track record as of late. His work over the last few years has been...well, kooky. Gub'mint coming to pull us from our sleep and pour Socialisms down our throats sort of stuff. If Robert Earl Keen starting putting out albums all of a sudden about how Jesus Needs Your Money and Kill All Abortionists, I'd have to rethink buying a new CD. They can be arranged all nice and pretty, but life is too short to invest in some brands of crazy.
 
2013-02-12 10:25:58 AM

PonceAlyosha: As a gay comic nerd, I have no problem with this. While he's a tool, artistic output should be considered on its own merits, not the merits of the person creating it.


Wasn't Tolkien a huge supporter of fascism? I think we should wait to see his work before lynching him.
 
2013-02-12 10:27:48 AM
purpleunions.com
/ Marvel
// Just sayin'
 
2013-02-12 10:32:34 AM

steve_wmn: hubiestubert: I'm torn. Because I enjoyed a decent amount of his earlier work, but lately, he's been obsessed with Apocalyptic fantasies of government take over, and they aren't really commentary or observation of social conditions, but DERP of the highest caliber...

Different people deal with writers block in different ways.  David Brin was in a pretty long drought but he recently eked out a decent new novel.  Of course Brin probably can probably fall back on work in astronomy or whatever his PhD is in while he works on a new idea.  Card is just a writer and if he can't put a good story idea together he might see publishing DERP as an outlet for his frustrations.  Here's to hoping he climbs down off the DERP train and does something useful with his life.


Heinlein did some work that was just plain crazy. The Sixth Column was suggest by John Campbell, and it really was damn offensive on a few levels. In part, deliberately so, and while Heinlein continued to evolve as a writer, and to articulate his views through his work, Card has been camping on the Crazy Train for a while now. I got a lot of love for a fair amount of his work, but lately, it's just cogent. A break to do Superman might get him over that hump, which would be good, but I'm not going to pretend that I ain't nervous about if he's going to be capable of it. Victoria Jackson, I enjoyed her comedy on SNL, but let's face it, the woman leaped off the deep end these last few years, and it would take a REALLY good effort to get me to watch or read anything from her, because it's just so damn asininely partisan and insane as of late.
 
2013-02-12 10:38:13 AM
"Wasn't Tolkien a huge supporter of fascism? "

WHAAAA.. .time to get on my high horse.  Tolkien hated the Nazis and Hitler.
 
2013-02-12 10:46:09 AM

Eps05: Wasn't Tolkien a huge supporter of fascism?


ferringtonpost.com
 
2013-02-12 10:51:45 AM
Ender's Game was good. Speaker for the Dead wasn't bad. Nothing else I've read by him has been anywhere close to the caliber of those two... and once he started going all derpy, it just wasn't worth supporting his craziness anymore.
 
2013-02-12 10:53:11 AM
I'm superman but I for want to hue ppl, sniff, kick,

I'm batman and I miss my parents, sniff, kick,

I'm green lantern and Ryan Reynolds killed my movie franchise, sniff, kick

You see where I'm going with this, sniff, kick
 
2013-02-12 10:53:43 AM

kregh99: [purpleunions.com image 479x363]
/ Marvel
// Just sayin'


TOO OLD.

goodcomics.comicbookresources.com

Much better.
 
2013-02-12 10:54:09 AM

JolobinSmokin: I'm superman but I dont want to hurt ppl, sniff, kick,

I'm batman and I miss my parents, sniff, kick,

I'm green lantern and Ryan Reynolds killed my movie franchise, sniff, kick

You see where I'm going with this, sniff, kick



Ftfms

Yeesh
 
2013-02-12 10:55:43 AM

hubiestubert: I'm torn. Because I enjoyed a decent amount of his earlier work, but lately, he's been obsessed with Apocalyptic fantasies of government take over, and they aren't really commentary or observation of social conditions, but DERP of the highest caliber...


Yup, you can see the signs in Ender's Game that Card has some 'interesting' thought processes going on.  The naked kids killing in the shower, etc.  That said, most good artists are a little off (if not outright cutting off ears).  Card's gone off the deep end though and it has damaged his work.  He seems to either be writing various novels that exploit the popularity of Ender's Game or just plain crazy shiat.  It's kind of ashame in that when I reread Ender's Game after Card went all depry, the book is slightly less enjoyable because it is easier to spot foreshadowing for future rants by Card.

/I've yet to even pick up the most recent Shadows novel
 
2013-02-12 11:04:54 AM
I find it just as strange that he's a Mormon... but I guess that's off limits where his anti-gay status is.
 
2013-02-12 11:14:11 AM
Meh. fark Orson Scott Card. Once you know he's an ass, it's impossible to not see hints of it everywhere, even in his better works. Plenty of people who aren't massive shiatheads put out good literature. I'll just read that instead.
 
2013-02-12 11:19:41 AM

vwarb: Meh. fark Orson Scott Card. Once you know he's an ass, it's impossible to not see hints of it everywhere, even in his better works. Plenty of people who aren't massive shiatheads put out good literature. I'll just read that instead.




The problem is, that I have...

www.coverbrowser.com

Not just bad, but Glenn Beck bad.
 
2013-02-12 11:21:53 AM

hubiestubert: vwarb: Meh. fark Orson Scott Card. Once you know he's an ass, it's impossible to not see hints of it everywhere, even in his better works. Plenty of people who aren't massive shiatheads put out good literature. I'll just read that instead.

The problem is, that I have...

[www.coverbrowser.com image 420x638]

Not just bad, but Glenn Beck bad.


That is the book that made me think "Ya know, maybe Card isn't a good writer, maybe he just got lucky with Ender's Game.  Nothing else he's done has been all that amazing since and now we have this turd..."
 
2013-02-12 11:25:32 AM
This isn't even a matter of difference of personal opinion or political viewpoints.   This isn't a matter of small government vs. greater collective social good.    This is about a man who believes another type of human being are sub-human and should be denied civil rights.   It's not about politically seeing eye to eye, it's about someone having opinions I believe are morally noxious and reprehensible.     Hitler may have been a phenomenal vegan chef, I'm not buying his recipe book.

That's putting aside the fact that his literary batting average is hovering around Ozzie Canseco territory.
 
2013-02-12 11:31:32 AM

kregh99: [purpleunions.com image 479x363]
/ Marvel
// Just sayin'


Marvel's given him almost all of his comics work the past ten years. Though, there are something like a dozen gay/bi characters running around Marvel nowadays vs maybe three at DC. Maybe he'll feel more at home there.
 
2013-02-12 11:35:02 AM

PonceAlyosha: kregh99: [purpleunions.com image 479x363]
/ Marvel
// Just sayin'

TOO OLD.

[goodcomics.comicbookresources.com image 641x250]

Much better.


Too male:

www.wired.com
 
2013-02-12 11:43:52 AM

miscreant: Ender's Game was good. Speaker for the Dead wasn't bad. Nothing else I've read by him has been anywhere close to the caliber of those two... and once he started going all derpy, it just wasn't worth supporting his craziness anymore.


Ender in Exile tied the two together nicely, but it was the last one written in that series, if I recall correctly.  Chronicles what happens after the bugger war and Ender planet hops while writing Hive Queen and Hegemon.

Currently reading Xenocide at the moment.
 
2013-02-12 11:50:41 AM

InmanRoshi: This isn't even a matter of difference of personal opinion or political viewpoints.   This isn't a matter of small government vs. greater collective social good.    This is about a man who believes another type of human being are sub-human and should be denied civil rights.   It's not about politically seeing eye to eye, it's about someone having opinions I believe are morally noxious and reprehensible.     Hitler may have been a phenomenal vegan chef, I'm not buying his recipe book.

That's putting aside the fact that his literary batting average is hovering around Ozzie Canseco territory.


+1. He often tries (and is quite successful at) spinning his words to deflect people from the heart of the issue. The bottom line is that someone who is actively trying to keep a group of people as second-class humans is despicable and should be shunned. I am honestly embarrassed for the sci-fi community that there is so little backlash against Card.
 
2013-02-12 11:59:09 AM

hubiestubert: vwarb: Meh. fark Orson Scott Card. Once you know he's an ass, it's impossible to not see hints of it everywhere, even in his better works. Plenty of people who aren't massive shiatheads put out good literature. I'll just read that instead.

The problem is, that I have...

[www.coverbrowser.com image 420x638]

Not just bad, but Glenn Beck bad.


Yet, strangely, it inspired a very good video game.
 
2013-02-12 12:01:50 PM

xkillyourfacex: So now it's immoral to NOT be gay?


Derp harder.
 
2013-02-12 12:02:11 PM
Good, I was afraid the way Superman has been going he would soon be exposed to Pink Kryptonite and would suddenly be in a relationship with Jimmy Olson.

Many years ago my friends and I used to come up with imaginary Superman stories, one of them came up with a winner that had Superman exposed to some Red Kryptonite made by Lex Luthor that had Superman doing one huge fart every hour on the hour, with each fart twice as powerful as the previous one, for 48 hours.

He was pretty imaginative in the way he wrote the story with the way he had Superman hiding his predicament, such as re-igniting volcanoes, going under the ocean and causing tsunami's..

Wish I could find a copy of that story now, pretty funny stuff....
 
2013-02-12 12:15:05 PM

hubiestubert: vwarb: Meh. fark Orson Scott Card. Once you know he's an ass, it's impossible to not see hints of it everywhere, even in his better works. Plenty of people who aren't massive shiatheads put out good literature. I'll just read that instead.

The problem is, that I have...

[www.coverbrowser.com image 420x638]

Not just bad, but Glenn Beck bad.


That cover art is hilariously bad. You'd think that Card's publisher could afford to have someone actually make a good one. ...and are those tanks on the cover from Halo?

Paging copyright police, paging copyright police...
 
2013-02-12 12:27:43 PM

blahpers: xkillyourfacex: So now it's immoral to NOT be gay?

Derp harder.


I'm sure I could learn so much from you.
 
2013-02-12 12:58:29 PM
I really miss the days when comic books had comic book writers instead of stunt casted Novelists, Film Directors, Actors, TV sitcom writers, and the occasional third assistant director's key grip from a WB show writing books because the big two think someone might recognize their name and actually pick up a comic book.

/no one ever does.
 
2013-02-12 12:59:06 PM
It's always sad and irritating to see people using the word "traditional" as a cover for their bigotry.
It's worse when a celebrity does it.
 
2013-02-12 01:35:11 PM

hubiestubert: Victoria Jackson, I enjoyed her comedy on SNL, but let's face it, the woman leaped off the deep end these last few years, and it would take a REALLY good effort to get me to watch or read anything from her, because it's just so damn asininely partisan and insane as of late.


That's actually WHY I watch her stuff now... I won't be giving her any of my money or support, but I'm always down for her latest Looney-Tunes rant...

I agree with everyone here who's torn on Card. He's a douche, but I like his writing. The Ender series is great, and I have one called Folk of the Fringe that's actually a pretty good book, too. I probably won't give him a dime of my money though. Definitely going to buy the books used, but it all depends on how good the ovie looks. I might have to see it on the big screen.
 
2013-02-12 01:42:25 PM

PonceAlyosha: As a gay comic nerd, I have no problem with this. While he's a tool, artistic output should be considered on its own merits, not the merits of the person creating it.



I absolutely agree on the works of art. They stand on their own merit... but that's not the problem. The problem is the cash money I pay for access to those works of art.

He's not just another artist with personal views of whatever... He contributes materially to the efforts to deny gay people equal rights both with his money and his effort. If I pay for his comic or pay for the new Ender's Game movie that's coming out soon some of those dollars are going to Card and he'll be using that to perpetuate an evil cause.

Why I'm torn is I am a HUGE fan of scifi, and Ender's Game was a fantastic book. I bought a few of the Enderverse novels before I found out what a massive and unrepentant bigot he is. The upcoming Ender's Game movie sounds like it is going to be the kind of scifi I want to see more of, so I would REALLY like to materially support it and pay to see it in the theater. But I also REALLY want my gay friends and countrymen/women/whatevs to be treated just like any other citizen of our ostensibly free country so I don't want to help him fund the fight against them.

I think If I see it in the theater I'm going to have to donate cash equal to the ticket price to a LGBT organization to help them fight against him. He won't see the whole ticket price go in to his pocket, but the charity I donate to will see that whole amount go in to theirs. Anyone have any suggestions of a good one to donate too? Perhaps the ACLU instead? I'd like to donate to an organization that will actually be fighting for the legal changes we need to recognize LGBT folks equally.
 
2013-02-12 02:00:55 PM

vwarb: InmanRoshi: This isn't even a matter of difference of personal opinion or political viewpoints.   This isn't a matter of small government vs. greater collective social good.    This is about a man who believes another type of human being are sub-human and should be denied civil rights.   It's not about politically seeing eye to eye, it's about someone having opinions I believe are morally noxious and reprehensible.     Hitler may have been a phenomenal vegan chef, I'm not buying his recipe book.

That's putting aside the fact that his literary batting average is hovering around Ozzie Canseco territory.

+1. He often tries (and is quite successful at) spinning his words to deflect people from the heart of the issue. The bottom line is that someone who is actively trying to keep a group of people as second-class humans is despicable and should be shunned. I am honestly embarrassed for the sci-fi community that there is so little backlash against Card.


Because the sci-fi community is full of socially illiterate f*cktards.
 
2013-02-12 02:05:33 PM

Mikey1969: I agree with everyone here who's torn on Card. He's a douche, but I like his writing. The Ender series is great, and I have one called Folk of the Fringe that's actually a pretty good book, too. I probably won't give him a dime of my money though. Definitely going to buy the books used, but it all depends on how good the ovie looks. I might have to see it on the big screen.


Folk on the Fringe is definitely the highlight of end of the world style works.  "The Worthing Saga" is also an excellent read and easily found in used book stores.  It gets a little weird at the end, but I figure it is fitting because Card is getting pretty damn weird at the end.
 
2013-02-12 02:11:11 PM

verbaltoxin: vwarb: InmanRoshi: +1. He often tries (and is quite successful at) spinning his words to deflect people from the heart of the issue. The bottom line is that someone who is actively trying to keep a group of people as second-class humans is despicable and should be shunned. I am honestly embarrassed for the sci-fi community that there is so little backlash against Card.

Because the sci-fi community is full of socially illiterate f*cktards.


For all the supposed foward-thinking aspects of the genre, there are huge swaths of the writing and fan community who are hard-core right wingers.
 
2013-02-12 02:17:48 PM

ha-ha-guy: Folk on the Fringe is definitely the highlight of end of the world style works.


I thought he found a good way to work in his Mormon ideals without preaching, too... I just had it in a box of books someone gave me one time, and I really liked it.

I'll keep my eye out for The Worthing Saga, thanks for the tip!
 
2013-02-12 02:25:54 PM

Disposable Rob: verbaltoxin: vwarb: InmanRoshi: +1. He often tries (and is quite successful at) spinning his words to deflect people from the heart of the issue. The bottom line is that someone who is actively trying to keep a group of people as second-class humans is despicable and should be shunned. I am honestly embarrassed for the sci-fi community that there is so little backlash against Card.

Because the sci-fi community is full of socially illiterate f*cktards.

For all the supposed foward-thinking aspects of the genre, there are huge swaths of the writing and fan community who are hard-core right wingers.



I can't speak for the writers, but as a fan I actually didn't know until about a year or two ago about his farktardery. I just hadn't heard of it. Once I did it made me glad I'd bought all of his books I've bought used, and made seeing the Ender's Game movie less appealing. Now I've decided when I go I'm going to donate an equal amount to what I paid for the wife and my movie tickets to an LGBT activist group.
 
2013-02-12 03:11:04 PM
I enjoyed all the books in the Ender series, they were fun and had some original ideas. I am willing to watch the work of actors and directors with dumbfark political ideas, don't see why I should make an exception for authors. I don't think his derp is gonna be the derp that derps us all to derpville, so why get all derped up about it?
 
2013-02-12 06:40:59 PM
I'm currently reading The Worthing Saga right now. Not as captivating but I'm enjoying it.

I have yet to hear anyone mention the Alvin Maker series or when they think Master Alvin might be released.

has anyone read Earth Unaware? I'd like to get a used copy of that sometime soon
 
2013-02-12 07:31:53 PM
Sooo... Crap writer of adolescents-who-played-too-many-video-games-and-got-bullied fantasies is now writing about a confirmed bachelor who runs around in spandex jammies?

Well ok then.
 
2013-02-12 07:59:37 PM
I wonder if Card with have Superman lead a revolt against the American Government for daring to allow gay people to marry? Perhaps he'll have Superman punch Obama's head off.

Card in 2008:

"How long before married people answer the dictators thus: Regardless of law, marriage has only one definition, and any government that attempts to change it is my mortal enemy. I will act to destroy that government and bring it down, so it can be replaced with a government that will respect and support marriage, and help me raise my children in a society where they will expect to marry in their turn. "

Oh, hey! A preview of Orson Scott Card's Superman:

i42.photobucket.com
 
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