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(Telegraph)   When they came for the wizards, I did not speak out - Because I was not a wizard   (telegraph.co.uk) divider line 44
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2013-02-12 10:09:17 AM
Haven't we learned anything from Gildor?  Do NOT meddle in the affairs of Wizards, for they are subtle and quick to anger!
 
2013-02-12 10:13:03 AM
In looking at the pic, I'm not surprised.  Dwarves are fearful of magic.
 
2013-02-12 10:13:54 AM
Let's get this out of the way...
 
2013-02-12 10:14:03 AM
trollcats.com
 
2013-02-12 10:15:09 AM
Yea, this will work.
 
2013-02-12 10:15:27 AM
Wizards and sorcerers are two different things, subby. Inherent talent versus a trained skill.
 
2013-02-12 10:16:21 AM

Grandemadaca: Let's get this out of the way...


What wizardry made my image vanish?!?

Trying again...
i2.kym-cdn.com
 
2013-02-12 10:17:07 AM
psychics and wizards are make-believe, unlike Allah... he's totally real.
 
2013-02-12 10:18:19 AM
weknowmemes.com
 
2013-02-12 10:20:34 AM
Obviously Red Court vampires are behind this.
 
2013-02-12 10:23:13 AM
Chechnya?  I thought that place got raped and "cleansed" out of existence?
 
2013-02-12 10:23:33 AM
Even the Spanish Inquisition thought that witchcraft was pretty much a bunch of hooey. They were after Moors, Protestants and Jews- not some old women the locals thought was turning people into frogs.
 
2013-02-12 10:24:29 AM
This kind of "what you do is 'magic' and 'evil' what we do is GAWD'S POWER" thinking for pretty much the exact same actions is just, well, stupid. Change a name in your prayer and it's OK? Extremists of any kind do their entire belief system a severe disservice. I guess they also serve as early-warning systems for the rest of us so we know who to avoid, though.
 
2013-02-12 10:25:04 AM
...whom he accused of exploiting people's sufferings for money.

The last thing he needs is more competition.
 
2013-02-12 10:26:22 AM
I am not saying it's wizards....but it's wizards

On a side note, if they really were Wizards and the Chechnyan version of the FBI came to round them up, wouldn't they just do wizard stuff and pretty much it would be over?
 
2013-02-12 10:29:45 AM
I'm safe... for now. Not quite 30 yet.
 
2013-02-12 10:31:34 AM
I bet it was because Mr. Norell bought all of their books.

/Not obscure...you'll just forget that you read this and start babbling nonsense if someone asks you about it.
 
2013-02-12 10:32:41 AM
They are merely going after Tyrannosaurus hex.

/Terrible wizard.
//sorry
 
2013-02-12 10:32:43 AM
I'm an 83rd level chaotic good rolling stone. I like the funny looks that gamers get on their faces when I bounce them like Tigger. And never let it be forgotten in a rush of Disneyesque sentimentality, a Tigger is a terrible thing. Especially when it bounces you.

Squish, squish, squish. Only trolls survive a surprise attack from the bouncing ball.

Not really. But I like my the version of video games in my head better than the "real" thing. Saves a lot of time and money.

A rolling stone is afraid of nothing except giant sheets of paper.
 
2013-02-12 10:36:04 AM
Even dictators are afraid of postering campaigns.

The pen is mightier than the hoard.
 
2013-02-12 10:41:43 AM
It's less confusing if you just have one delusional fantasy to choose rather than a whole bunch of different ones.
 
2013-02-12 10:44:12 AM
ts1.mm.bing.net
nuff said.
 
2013-02-12 10:45:52 AM

Jeremysbrain: Obviously Red Court vampires are behind this.


Nah, they all got wiped out. It's clearly the work of Outsiders.
 
2013-02-12 10:53:49 AM
You shall not pass!!!
 
2013-02-12 11:14:34 AM
Came for quick to anger.
Leaving subtle.
 
2013-02-12 11:16:52 AM

Real Women Drink Akvavit: This kind of "what you do is 'magic' and 'evil' what we do is GAWD'S POWER" thinking for pretty much the exact same actions is just, well, stupid. Change a name in your prayer and it's OK? Extremists of any kind do their entire belief system a severe disservice. I guess they also serve as early-warning systems for the rest of us so we know who to avoid, though.


Well obviously Arcane casters are evil while Divine casters are good.

/duh
//Druids ftw!
 
2013-02-12 11:26:54 AM
"I'm all out of pink!"
 
2013-02-12 11:32:53 AM
i45.tinypic.com
 
2013-02-12 11:55:09 AM
Did I read that right?
He's cracking down on charlatans that dupe people out of their money,
but not HIS charlatans who are performing djinn removals?
 
2013-02-12 12:23:16 PM

JohnCarter: I am not saying it's wizards....but it's wizards

On a side note, if they really were Wizards and the Chechnyan version of the FBI came to round them up, wouldn't they just do wizard stuff and pretty much it would be over?


A mid- or high-level wizard, yes.  A low-level wizard might be able to stop one or two KGB agents, but after that would be out of spells and completely helpless.
 
2013-02-12 12:23:42 PM

jayessell: Did I read that right?
He's cracking down on charlatans that dupe people out of their money,
but not HIS charlatans who are performing djinn removals?


GDISM, it is NOT charlatanism when WE do it!

/but, but, he's a "they"
 
2013-02-12 12:27:42 PM
What is your primary source of income?
Sorcery...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZk717kXM9w
 
2013-02-12 01:07:47 PM
Obviously Chechnya is run by 1st ed barbarians.
 
2013-02-12 01:48:41 PM
I didn't know Chechnya had an Amish community?
 
2013-02-12 02:19:38 PM

anfrind: JohnCarter: I am not saying it's wizards....but it's wizards

On a side note, if they really were Wizards and the Chechnyan version of the FBI came to round them up, wouldn't they just do wizard stuff and pretty much it would be over?

A mid- or high-level wizard, yes.  A low-level wizard might be able to stop one or two KGB agents, but after that would be out of spells and completely helpless.


Spells?

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." -- Arthur C. Clarke
 
2013-02-12 02:32:40 PM

MacWizard: anfrind: JohnCarter: I am not saying it's wizards....but it's wizards

On a side note, if they really were Wizards and the Chechnyan version of the FBI came to round them up, wouldn't they just do wizard stuff and pretty much it would be over?

A mid- or high-level wizard, yes.  A low-level wizard might be able to stop one or two KGB agents, but after that would be out of spells and completely helpless.

Spells?

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." -- Arthur C. Clarke


"Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced." Gehm's corollary.

"Any sufficiently well-understood magic is indistinguishable from technology." SF Fandom's addendum.
 
2013-02-12 03:21:28 PM
"Kremlin-backed strongman Ramzan Kadyrov called on Chechens to steer clear of "charlatans" claiming to have magic powers, whom he accused of exploiting people's sufferings for money."

So they're banning all religions?
 
2013-02-12 05:12:39 PM

KingsleyZisou: Real Women Drink Akvavit: This kind of "what you do is 'magic' and 'evil' what we do is GAWD'S POWER" thinking for pretty much the exact same actions is just, well, stupid. Change a name in your prayer and it's OK? Extremists of any kind do their entire belief system a severe disservice. I guess they also serve as early-warning systems for the rest of us so we know who to avoid, though.

Well obviously Arcane casters are evil while Divine casters are good.

/duh
//Druids ftw!


Well, sure. If someone is totally unfamiliar with what they're railing against, that is. However, the divine of most faith systems (those that have a concept of the divine as we're talking about it, anyway) is also usually fairly arcane.

Ha! Take that, "my arcane divine is better than your arcane divine" types! (and please don't burn me at the stake or something as I'm not a witch)
 
2013-02-12 06:32:43 PM

Real Women Drink Akvavit: KingsleyZisou: Real Women Drink Akvavit: This kind of "what you do is 'magic' and 'evil' what we do is GAWD'S POWER" thinking for pretty much the exact same actions is just, well, stupid. Change a name in your prayer and it's OK? Extremists of any kind do their entire belief system a severe disservice. I guess they also serve as early-warning systems for the rest of us so we know who to avoid, though.

Well obviously Arcane casters are evil while Divine casters are good.

/duh
//Druids ftw!

Well, sure. If someone is totally unfamiliar with what they're railing against, that is. However, the divine of most faith systems (those that have a concept of the divine as we're talking about it, anyway) is also usually fairly arcane.

Ha! Take that, "my arcane divine is better than your arcane divine" types! (and please don't burn me at the stake or something as I'm not a witch)


One difference is that with divine systems, practitioners lose their powers if they fail to act in accordance with their ethos.  Arcane systems are not based on devotion to an ethos, so they grant the same powers regardless of the ethos of the practitioner.
 
2013-02-12 06:51:03 PM

anfrind: Real Women Drink Akvavit: KingsleyZisou: Real Women Drink Akvavit: This kind of "what you do is 'magic' and 'evil' what we do is GAWD'S POWER" thinking for pretty much the exact same actions is just, well, stupid. Change a name in your prayer and it's OK? Extremists of any kind do their entire belief system a severe disservice. I guess they also serve as early-warning systems for the rest of us so we know who to avoid, though.

Well obviously Arcane casters are evil while Divine casters are good.

/duh
//Druids ftw!

Well, sure. If someone is totally unfamiliar with what they're railing against, that is. However, the divine of most faith systems (those that have a concept of the divine as we're talking about it, anyway) is also usually fairly arcane.

Ha! Take that, "my arcane divine is better than your arcane divine" types! (and please don't burn me at the stake or something as I'm not a witch)

One difference is that with divine systems, practitioners lose their powers if they fail to act in accordance with their ethos.  Arcane systems are not based on devotion to an ethos, so they grant the same powers regardless of the ethos of the practitioner.


I did not know that. However, I do not do Seidr or Spae, so I would not. I'm also the agnostic, polytheistic version of Heathenfolk. I leave the chatting up of the deities to others, with a few notable exceptions, and those are very casual because for all I know, I'm talking to myself or giving the landvaettir something to snicker about. I'm more focused on wights, my disir and the such, truth be told. The rest will sort itself out later. Maybe...
 
2013-02-12 07:54:31 PM

Jeremysbrain: Obviously Red Court vampires are behind this.


Beware Russian communication satellites.
 
2013-02-12 08:02:19 PM

cynicalbastard: Even the Spanish Inquisition thought that witchcraft was pretty much a bunch of hooey. They were after Moors, Protestants and Jews- not some old women the locals thought was turning people into frogs.


It's actually more complicated than that.  The Catholic church went from thinking witchcraft was hooey -- to the point that proclaiming belief in witchcraft (belief that it existed, that it was real) was heresy -- to the exact opposite stance --- that denying it's reality was heresy.  The process of reversing their position took something like 600 years.

Then, over the next 400 years or so, the Catholic church retreated from that position.  I think they're back to hooey now.

But, of course, what the Pope says is infallible, so I'm not sure how that fits in there.
 
2013-02-12 08:03:50 PM

Treetop1000: "I'm all out of pink!"


I attack the darkness!
 
2013-02-12 09:28:10 PM

ciberido: cynicalbastard: Even the Spanish Inquisition thought that witchcraft was pretty much a bunch of hooey. They were after Moors, Protestants and Jews- not some old women the locals thought was turning people into frogs.

It's actually more complicated than that.  The Catholic church went from thinking witchcraft was hooey -- to the point that proclaiming belief in witchcraft (belief that it existed, that it was real) was heresy -- to the exact opposite stance --- that denying it's reality was heresy.  The process of reversing their position took something like 600 years.

Then, over the next 400 years or so, the Catholic church retreated from that position.  I think they're back to hooey now.

But, of course, what the Pope says is infallible, so I'm not sure how that fits in there.


Well, yes-and no- even during the height of the witch trials in Europe (1450-1650), the Inquisition per se tended towards scepticism. And as regards witch trials, you were no better off in non-Catholic Europe than in the Catholic states. And areas with the most social disorder (30 years war Germany, lookin' at you) tended to have the highest numbers of accusations and trials.
There's an interesting phenomenon associated with the trials. Apparently, if you were tried at home, you had over a 75 per cent chance of conviction. But if you were tried over a day's walk from home, your chances of acquittal were very good, over 75 per cent that way. Seems like most times, trials tended to attract the attention of all the bad neighbours a person had.
 
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