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(Courthouse News Service)   The Pope's retirement may open him up to prosecution by the International Criminal Court for sheltering child abusers, oh snap   (courthousenews.com) divider line 39
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2013-02-12 01:53:50 AM  
pjmedia.com
 
2013-02-12 02:16:57 AM  
Never not ever ever going to happen.
 
2013-02-12 03:39:57 AM  
They didn't prosecute Dick & Dubya, they haven't prosecuted Putin, they aren't prosecuting Kim Jong Whatshisname, and they aren't going to prosecute the Pope.
 
2013-02-12 05:42:42 AM  
Oh, I'm sure that'll happen any day now.  I'm going to hold my breath while I wait for the news.
 
2013-02-12 06:37:54 AM  
So the rich and powerful can be prosecuted for their crimes now?

Did I sleep through the revolution, again?
 
2013-02-12 07:57:43 AM  
It would be nice.  Maybe this is how he plans to fall onto his sword for the church.

TINFOIL HAT TIME------

The pope knows he's going to die soon, cancer, Alzheimer's , whatever... So he uses this to step down something that hasn't happened since the 1400s... To take the rap for the church.
 
2013-02-12 09:39:42 AM  
How many Divisions do they have?
 
2013-02-12 09:46:03 AM  
Though a surprise to many, one group that the announcement failed to rattle is the Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests (SNAP)

OH SNAP!
 
2013-02-12 09:57:32 AM  
This is almost enough to make me care that the pope is stepping down. I say "almost" because there's no way it's going to happen.
 
2013-02-12 10:00:06 AM  
2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-02-12 10:00:10 AM  
It'll be right after bush's warcrimes trial.
 
2013-02-12 10:01:21 AM  
www.planetmadison.com
 
2013-02-12 10:02:04 AM  
That's alright. Third day of retirement and he'll eat his Glock.
 
2013-02-12 10:03:37 AM  
Regardless, I hope that the demons of Hell have spent the last few years filling a malbolge with maggots and shiat in preparation for Benedict's descent.
 
2013-02-12 10:03:39 AM  

Raharu: It would be nice.  Maybe this is how he plans to fall onto his sword for the church.

TINFOIL HAT TIME------

The pope knows he's going to die soon, cancer, Alzheimer's , whatever... So he uses this to step down something that hasn't happened since the 1400s... To take the rap for the church.


I don't think it's that magnanimous of an act. If he steps down now he can watch over the proceedings for his replacement and insure that some other conservative asswipe gets installed - thereby cementing his legacy of bringing the church back from the liberal reforms attempted by Vatican II. A live ex-Pope can exert a lot more pressure on the selection crew than a Pope who dies in office.
 
2013-02-12 10:08:52 AM  
Hahahahaha, yeah right, that type of article is priceless Internet humor.
 
2013-02-12 10:09:54 AM  

Eddie Adams from Torrance: Though a surprise to many, one group that the announcement failed to rattle is the Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests (SNAP)

OH SNAP!


Snert.
 
2013-02-12 10:16:03 AM  
So that's why they never retire.
 
2013-02-12 10:18:26 AM  
The ICC attorney doesn't care about the victims and justice. If he did, they wouldn't merely be talking about doing it. in public press. They'd go ahead and do it, <i>then</i> they would talk about it, after the process began. No, this is merely a stunt for the sake of political posturing. They just want to reinforce some word associations.

"Pope... scandal ..."  "Catholics ... pedophiles ..." what a shock some detractor wants to associate those two ideas and announce that to the world.  What's next?  "White people... racism..." or maybe "Christians ... creationism ...". maybe it will be "Mormons ... cult..."

Shocking.
 
2013-02-12 10:30:14 AM  

This About That: They didn't prosecute Dick & Dubya, they haven't prosecuted Putin, they aren't prosecuting Kim Jong Whatshisname, and they aren't going to prosecute the Pope.


Don't you DARE come around here with your stinking reality -
I reject your reality - and instead insert my own  .  .  .
 
2013-02-12 10:33:56 AM  
I thought since he'd be living out the rest of his days inside the Vatican that extradition might enter into it.
 
2013-02-12 10:46:47 AM  
"Pope Benedict's retirement plans may open him up to prosecution by the International Criminal Court for sheltering child abusers, an advocacy group said pulled out of its ass on Monday."

FTFT
 
2013-02-12 10:53:57 AM  

This About That: They didn't prosecute Dick & Dubya, they haven't prosecuted Putin, they aren't prosecuting Kim Jong Whatshisname, and they aren't going to prosecute the Pope.


Cheney and Bush were sheltering pedophiles?
 
2013-02-12 10:57:02 AM  
Popo for the Pope?
 
2013-02-12 10:59:45 AM  
One can only hope.
 
2013-02-12 11:39:08 AM  
Good. Nail this Nazi pedo to the farking wall and make a farking example out of him. We used to take assholes like this out on meathooks.
 
2013-02-12 11:40:32 AM  
The ICC can charge him with anything they want.  Dose anyone here think that the Vatican is going let them come and get him?  ya right.
 
2013-02-12 11:40:41 AM  

vudukungfu: Good. Nail this Nazi pedo to the farking wall and make a farking example out of him. We used to take assholes like this out on meathooks.


That's a bold statement.
 
2013-02-12 11:52:52 AM  

Mentalpatient87: vudukungfu: Good. Nail this Nazi pedo to the farking wall and make a farking example out of him. We used to take assholes like this out on meathooks.

That's a bold statement.


Correction: NOW it's a bold statement.
 
2013-02-12 12:15:31 PM  

vudukungfu: Good. Nail this Nazi pedo to the farking wall and make a farking example out of him. We used to take assholes like this out on meathooks.


Let the hate flow through you, soon journey will be complete, etc.
 
2013-02-12 12:26:58 PM  

Sgygus: Never not ever ever going to happen.


Yeah... NOBODY has the balls to do this.
 
2013-02-12 12:32:36 PM  
Saving the Catholic Church is going to require some truly Biblical reinvention. There is not a society in the world that will protect them from this chitstorm.
The only thing that could make that pedo step down is that the money pipe is drying up.

They are now the very Devil they fear so much.
 
2013-02-12 01:23:23 PM  
Good luck getting the Vatican to give him up. If he went home to Germany, they might give him up. Or he'd hang himself, but only after he'd been hog tied.
 
2013-02-12 03:23:23 PM  

Raharu: It would be nice.  Maybe this is how he plans to fall onto his sword for the church.

TINFOIL HAT TIME------

The pope knows he's going to die soon, cancer, Alzheimer's , whatever... So he uses this to step down something that hasn't happened since the 1400s... To take the rap for the church.


...You know, I was going to post that, provided the guy truly believes he can talk to God and all that, he might be doing this  expressly to pay for his sins.

Which would be so much restoring faith in humanity.
 
2013-02-12 03:48:12 PM  

Head_Shot: Mentalpatient87: vudukungfu: Good. Nail this Nazi pedo to the farking wall and make a farking example out of him. We used to take assholes like this out on meathooks.

That's a bold statement.

Correction: NOW it's a bold statement.


Everyone forgot to tack on "for a one eyed fat man"
 
2013-02-12 03:54:10 PM  

vudukungfu: Head_Shot: Mentalpatient87: vudukungfu: Good. Nail this Nazi pedo to the farking wall and make a farking example out of him. We used to take assholes like this out on meathooks.

That's a bold statement.

Correction: NOW it's a bold statement.

Everyone forgot to tack on "for a one eyed fat man"


This is hardly the forum to discuss my penis.
 
2013-02-12 06:24:31 PM  

jumac: The ICC can charge him with anything they want.  Dose anyone here think that the Vatican is going let them come and get him?  ya right.


Though ironically if they refused an ICC warrant, that could be more troublesome than usual--because, well...the Vatican, unlike the US, DOES recognise ICC jurisdiction and HAS filed cases with the ICC in past.

In fact, it's little known, but let's just say the the Vatican contributed substantial evidence re the ICC's trial of (and ultimate conviction of) Gen. Efrain Rios Montt on charges of genocide.  Montt actually explicitly targeted Catholic priests and nuns who worked with indigenous Mayans who had been targeted for genocide (Montt being an actual pastor of a church which is part of what is now known as the New Apostolic Reformation--yes, folks, the NARasites are probably the one non-"white power" group that is explicitly linked to genocide in the modern era) and, well, the Catholic Church compiled its own history of the genocide and the events that led up to it that has been used in not only the ICC trial but also subsequent trials in Spain that have not only led to formal genocide charges against Montt but an actual Interpol warrant for his arrest (Guatemala so far has refused to serve this--partly because there are STILL a lot of Montt sympathisers and Montt toadies in the government to this day--but he dares not step out of Guatemala lest he be subject to immediate arrest by any nation whose law enforcement works with Interpol).  (And yes, the Montt genocide not only explicitly targeted indigenous Mayans but Catholic clergy as well, and there are records that indicate Catholicism as a whole was targeted by the regime due to it being the main competition against Montt's NARasitism.)

That said--it's somewhat iffy whether the ICC technically has jurisdiction in regards to the scandal or whether this would possibly be an Interpol matter involving lawsuits in multiple countries (it's nowhere as clear cut of a case as when the Catholic church testified re Montt--genocide is pretty much the biggie "international law violation", and Montt's killings of Catholic clergy met the textbook definition of genocide).  The closest thing to international law regarding child sexual abuse involves Interpol (for international extradition and prosecution), the Hague Convention on custodial rights (which does have some special provisions for kids who may be at risk of sexual abuse), and non-UN laws pushing for extraterritorial jurisdiction in case of international travel for sexual abuse and international human trafficking for purposes of sex abuse--there simply is not yet an international convention regarding child sexual abuse (or really ANY convention re sexual abuse, save prohibiting rape as a weapon of war) nor are there really any international laws on the UN level that would potentially allow prosecution of the Vatican as a state actor re child sex abuse (outside of war).

Oddly enough, the best shot of actually getting Benny prosecuted for covering up child sex abuse would involve a lawsuit in a country which has provisions for extraterritorial prosecution AND which would be willing to see institutional coverup of child sex abuse by the Vatican as a human rights violation under its own laws (this is pretty much how Montt was charged with genocide in Spain--because Spanish (and Belgian) law explicitly allow non-nationals to file charges in their courts against others regarding human rights violations).  There are two major problems with this--the first being to be able to show that institutional coverup of child sexual abuse is a human rights violation under the laws of Spain or Belgium, and the second being that both countries that allow this are also majority Catholic. :P
 
2013-02-12 06:55:59 PM  
OK, there might be ONE other way where the ICC would in theory have jurisdiction--and theoretically where actual charges (with actual Interpol Red List listings) could happen.

It turns out the Vatican (under its UN name the Holy See) is a signatory to both the Convention on the Rights of the Child which specifically states that children have the right not to be sexually abused and to not be abused in general--and also mandates signatory states to protect kids against sexual abuse.

Pretty much as long as they can find a survivor not from the US, South Sudan, or Somalia--SNAP may well have a slam dunk; if they're using THIS provision in the ICC, I can see why the Vatican might be scared.

(The Convention on the Rights of the Child is pretty much THE international law of last resort in defending kids from religiously motivated abuse in particular, and has turned out to be a surprisingly powerful international law protecting kids.  Every country except the US (because of dominionists--we'll get into that in a bit), Somalia (which doesn't really have that much of a functional government yet, and as of 2009 committed to ratification once they actually get a working government) and South Sudan (because they're kind of working on getting a parliament together to actually do things like ratify UN conventions) have ratified it--including North Korea, including both countries that allow extraterritorial prosecution for human rights violations and who allow non-nationals to file suit in courts...and the Vatican.

(The US is pretty much the sole country with a functional government that refuses to ratify it (even with reservations), and this is because it has been persistently stonewalled since the 1990s by dominionists--because they know very damn well that it can give a legal basis for banning the worst kinds of religiously motivated abuse against kids and allow those kids to file suit against the abusive churches in court (it's already used successfully by accused "witch children" in sub-Saharan Africa against NARasite churches that have functionally forced them to become displaced persons, for example, and it's generally prohibited some of the worse kinds of dominionist-linked religiously motivated child abuse (like kids literally being beaten to death with plumbing) that occurs in the US).  It is our national shame--we should be farking ashamed, goddamn farking North Korea has ratified it and we can't ratify it because of a bunch of god-bothering religionationalist chucklefarks who are scared shiatless that there will be law to stop them from crippling and killing kids and leaving them educationally stunted in the name of their Blood God.  And we're pretty much the only country where kids CAN'T use the Convention to sue the crap out of the priests who buggered them AND the archdiosceses that shuffled the priests around.)
 
2013-02-12 09:37:22 PM  
Good luck with that. Maybe we should while ignoring the middle eastern sex slaves..the nearly 100,000 of them or the Asian sex slaves. Estimated at 1.1 million. But lets get the remaining 194 undisclosed teen abuse cases. i mean these are priests not school teahers (which is awesome).
Seems like our priorities are skewed.
 
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