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2013-02-12 01:22:38 AM
Thaaat settles it, I'm converting.
 
2013-02-12 02:00:17 AM

PreMortem: Thaaat settles it, I'm converting.


Yeah, no kidding.  I have my rosary beads from my confirmation around here somewhere...
 
2013-02-12 06:05:10 AM
Never mind that. Did they find the antimatter canister yet?
 
2013-02-12 06:59:42 AM

SnarfVader: Never mind that. Did they find the antimatter canister yet?


www.thefilmpilgrim.com

/not amused
 
2013-02-12 07:01:33 AM

PreMortem: Thaaat settles it, I'm converting.


You should.

s3-ec.buzzfed.com
 
2013-02-12 07:09:38 AM

doglover: PreMortem: Thaaat settles it, I'm converting.

You should.

[s3-ec.buzzfed.com image 500x642]


Talk about going back to my roots!
 
2013-02-12 07:19:01 AM
And I thought Trump was a tough guy to work for...
 
2013-02-12 07:44:54 AM
God's just pissed that the pope is resigning what should have been his job until he died,
 
2013-02-12 08:25:53 AM
Wow, I bet that never happens
 
2013-02-12 08:27:31 AM
of course he is (if he existed, which he doesn't) because catholics are the only true christians

religious people are retarded, and should be systematically wiped out from this universe
 
2013-02-12 08:29:07 AM
My hobby is experimental theology, so I'm getting a kick out of this story.
 
2013-02-12 08:29:53 AM
In other news, the Vatican HR department is scrambling like fnck to figure out what the pension benefits for a retired Pope are supposed to be.
 
2013-02-12 08:30:44 AM
IT'S A SIGN FROM THE HEAVENS.

or it happens all the time.  Not sure.
 
2013-02-12 08:31:16 AM
Apparently when Pope Palpatine examined his conscience before god, he didn't do it closely enough.  Either that or the call to god when he was discussing his resignation got dropped.  It happens.
 
2013-02-12 08:32:16 AM
Looks shopped, I can tell from the pixels
 
2013-02-12 08:32:47 AM
It could have been an errant bolt of Force Lightning coming from within the dome. Maybe Benedict is purging the Vatican of younglings.
 
2013-02-12 08:34:09 AM
So does he become a Bishop or Cardnial again?  He technically holds those offices and was properly anointed to them.
 
2013-02-12 08:34:31 AM

PonceAlyosha: Maybe Benedict is purging the Vatican of younglings.


I really hope that isn't a euphemism.
 
2013-02-12 08:35:00 AM
Zeus is cheering him on.
 
2013-02-12 08:35:43 AM
Is this what happens when you tell God "Take this job and shove it!"?
 
2013-02-12 08:35:50 AM

I drunk what: of course he is (if he existed, which he doesn't) because catholics are the only true christians

religious people are retarded, and should be systematically wiped out from this universe


s9.postimage.org
 
2013-02-12 08:37:28 AM
'They ride the lightning.'

Soon after, outiside the vatican, a messenger appears:

encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com
 
2013-02-12 08:38:11 AM
If God were omnipotent, he could've shot right past that lightning rod.

/trying to work up something with "omnipotent" and "equipotential", but it's early
 
2013-02-12 08:40:56 AM
That was just how God high fives.

/it would be an ecumenical matter
 
2013-02-12 08:44:04 AM
Nah.  Doctor Frankenstein is making another creation.  The Popeinhat monster will rise
 
2013-02-12 08:44:04 AM
Thunderbolts and lightning, very very frightening
 
2013-02-12 08:44:35 AM

jfivealive: Thunderbolts and lightning, very very frightening


Galileo
 
2013-02-12 08:44:42 AM
Team FAKE.

/what's a 'pixel'?
 
2013-02-12 08:45:17 AM

I drunk what: of course he is (if he existed, which he doesn't) because catholics are the only true christians

religious people are retarded, and should be systematically wiped out from this universe


and here we see an example of the "militant atheist"

I'm glad you've found somebody to be bigoted against.
 
2013-02-12 08:45:40 AM
www.inklingscommunity.org
 
2013-02-12 08:46:44 AM
I didn't know about the seagull/dove thing, that's hilarious :D
 
2013-02-12 08:47:16 AM

The_Original_Roxtar: I drunk what: of course he is (if he existed, which he doesn't) because catholics are the only true christians

religious people are retarded, and should be systematically wiped out from this universe

and here we see an example of the "militant atheist"

I'm glad you've found somebody to be bigoted against.


madmikesamerica.com

your just jealous of my debate skills and because of how much women adore me, you'll get over it
 
2013-02-12 08:47:45 AM

nmemkha: jfivealive: Thunderbolts and lightning, very very frightening

Galileo


Figaro
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-02-12 08:48:36 AM
Does anyone know what caused Luftwaffenhelfer Ratzinger to resign?  I think there must be something from his past about to surface.  I certainly did nazi this coming.
 
2013-02-12 08:50:14 AM
I would convert to Catholicism in a second if Pope Captain Marvel the First told me to.
 
2013-02-12 08:52:43 AM
He's not resigning, he's just giving up being pope for lent.
 
2013-02-12 08:55:00 AM

orezona: nmemkha: jfivealive: Thunderbolts and lightning, very very frightening

Galileo

Figaro


Manifico!

/I'm just a poor boy
//Nobody loves me.
 
2013-02-12 08:55:54 AM

I drunk what: The_Original_Roxtar: I drunk what: of course he is (if he existed, which he doesn't) because catholics are the only true christians

religious people are retarded, and should be systematically wiped out from this universe

and here we see an example of the "militant atheist"

I'm glad you've found somebody to be bigoted against.

[madmikesamerica.com image 475x336]

your just jealous of my debate skills and because of how much women adore me, you'll get over it


media.mahalo.com

What an actual "Militant Atheist" may look like.  You know, somebody who founded an organization actually called the "League of Militant Atheists" with the explicit goal of eradicating religion from the world.  Somebody who used the powers of a totalitarian state to close churches and seminaries, imprison clergy, and use massive propaganda to demonize the very concept of religious faith.

Calling a snarky guy on the internet a "militant atheist" is like calling my grandmother with her FWD:FWD:FWD e-mails about Jesus a "militant Christian"

Every belief system has its militant members, atheism is included in that.  Atheists like to pretend they are somehow superior to theists, but they forget how much blood has been spilled in the name of atheist philosophies like communism.  That or they play the "no true Scotsman" card and claim that communism isn't really atheistic or that it doesn't count somehow despite atheism being a key tenet of communism.
 
2013-02-12 08:56:29 AM

I drunk what: your just jealous of my debate skills


And you're grammatical skills
 
2013-02-12 09:01:07 AM

greentea1985: God's just pissed that the pope is resigning what should have been his job until he died,


Or reminding Benedict that it can still happen that way...
 
2013-02-12 09:03:01 AM

I drunk what: The_Original_Roxtar: I drunk what: of course he is (if he existed, which he doesn't) because catholics are the only true christians

religious people are retarded, and should be systematically wiped out from this universe

and here we see an example of the "militant atheist"

I'm glad you've found somebody to be bigoted against.

[madmikesamerica.com image 475x336]

your just jealous of my debate skills and because of how much women adore me, you'll get over it


Nah, I'm just jealous of your ability to find and post snarky pictures you find online that substitute for debate.
 
2013-02-12 09:03:11 AM
Yeah, lightning never hits lightning rods at the top of the tallest building in town. And this isn't the Vatican PR department manipulating people's superstitions. Neither of those things ever happen. Ever.
 
2013-02-12 09:06:01 AM
I think the assumptions got it all wrong,

Right after the bolt of lightning, and clap of thunder you can barely hear... "Dammit, missed"
 
2013-02-12 09:06:08 AM
Seriously though, you don't leave a high profile job so suddenly and with bad timing unless you can see some shiat going down soon. We may not ever know why he's really leaving but I guarantee it isn't because things are going great.
 
2013-02-12 09:06:30 AM

Silverstaff: I drunk what: The_Original_Roxtar: I drunk what: of course he is (if he existed, which he doesn't) because catholics are the only true christians

religious people are retarded, and should be systematically wiped out from this universe

and here we see an example of the "militant atheist"

I'm glad you've found somebody to be bigoted against.

[madmikesamerica.com image 475x336]

your just jealous of my debate skills and because of how much women adore me, you'll get over it



What an actual "Militant Atheist" may look like.  You know, somebody who founded an organization actually called the "League of Militant Atheists" with the explicit goal of eradicating religion from the world.  Somebody who used the powers of a totalitarian state to close churches and seminaries, imprison clergy, and use massive propaganda to demonize the very concept of religious faith.

Calling a snarky guy on the internet a "militant atheist" is like calling my grandmother with her FWD:FWD:FWD e-mails about Jesus a "militant Christian"

Every belief system has its militant members, atheism is included in that.  Atheists like to pretend they are somehow superior to theists, but they forget how much blood has been spilled in the name of atheist philosophies like communism.  That or they play the "no true Scotsman" card and claim that communism isn't really atheistic or that it doesn't count somehow despite atheism being a key tenet of communism.


Don't feed the trolls. The guy you responded to is about as likely to be an atheist as the pope. He's trying way, way too hard to be believable. Check his profile and you'll see what I mean.
 
2013-02-12 09:06:37 AM

mongbiohazard: Yeah, lightning never hits lightning rods at the top of the tallest building in town. And this isn't the Vatican PR department manipulating people's superstitions. Neither of those things ever happen. Ever.


^^ this ^^
 
2013-02-12 09:10:26 AM
If there is a g(G?)od I doubt she gives a shiat one way or the other.
 
2013-02-12 09:11:30 AM

bikerbob59: mongbiohazard: Yeah, lightning never hits lightning rods at the top of the tallest building in town. And this isn't the Vatican PR department manipulating people's superstitions. Neither of those things ever happen. Ever.

^^ this ^^


Counterpoint (TFA):

"Thunderstorms are not unknown in winter, but they are more likely to hit the celestial city in spring or summer, which makes the lightning strike even more unusual."

Who cares? Until Jesus shows up leading his army of flying raptor riding angels is all just speculation one way or the other.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-02-12 09:13:40 AM
Silverstaff:

Every belief system has its militant members, atheism is included in that.  Atheists like to pretend they are somehow superior to theists, but they forget how much blood has been spilled in the name of atheist philosophies like communism.  That or they play the "no true Scotsman" card and claim that communism isn't really atheistic or that it doesn't count somehow despite atheism being a key tenet of communism.

"Key tennant" huh?  So are you trolling or do you just not realize that whatever Fox news brodcast you got that from was BS?
 
2013-02-12 09:14:33 AM
Maybe God wasn't angry. Maybe that's his version of a high five because he isn't a fan of this current pope.
 
2013-02-12 09:14:51 AM

Silverstaff: I drunk what: The_Original_Roxtar: I drunk what: of course he is (if he existed, which he doesn't) because catholics are the only true christians

religious people are retarded, and should be systematically wiped out from this universe

and here we see an example of the "militant atheist"

I'm glad you've found somebody to be bigoted against.

[madmikesamerica.com image 475x336]

your just jealous of my debate skills and because of how much women adore me, you'll get over it

[media.mahalo.com image 265x335]

What an actual "Militant Atheist" may look like.  You know, somebody who founded an organization actually called the "League of Militant Atheists" with the explicit goal of eradicating religion from the world.  Somebody who used the powers of a totalitarian state to close churches and seminaries, imprison clergy, and use massive propaganda to demonize the very concept of religious faith.

Calling a snarky guy on the internet a "militant atheist" is like calling my grandmother with her FWD:FWD:FWD e-mails about Jesus a "militant Christian"

Every belief system has its militant members, atheism is included in that.  Atheists like to pretend they are somehow superior to theists, but they forget how much blood has been spilled in the name of atheist philosophies like communism.  That or they play the "no true Scotsman" card and claim that communism isn't really atheistic or that it doesn't count somehow despite atheism being a key tenet of communism.


Sadly true. The biggest problem is that the militants often don't see themselves as militant or extremist or hardliners. They see themselves merely as "right" and everyone else as "wrong".

FWIW, I've noticed most of the nasty "kill all religion" folks I've bumped into were raised in one of the Abrahamic faiths. Those sorts left the religion, but not the behaviors the people in their branch of that religious path taught them. They also seem to know little or nothing about those of us in the non-Abrahamic faith paths and lump us and our beliefs in with the Abrahamics, which couldn't be further from the truth (in my path, at least). I attribute that to their own upbringing though. It's hard to break away from something you were taught since birth, so I try to be nice to them. It's not totally their fault, I don't think.
 
2013-02-12 09:18:06 AM

Silverstaff: What an actual "Militant Atheist" may look like.  You know, somebody who founded an organization actually called the "League of Militant Atheists" with the explicit goal of eradicating religion from the world.  Somebody who used the powers of a totalitarian state to close churches and seminaries, imprison clergy, and use massive propaganda to demonize the very concept of religious faith.


also Mao and Pol Pot
 
2013-02-12 09:18:29 AM
www.examiner.com
 
2013-02-12 09:21:02 AM
My favorite part of the video was when the Dove of Peace tried to fly through a wall and was eaten by a seagull.
 
2013-02-12 09:23:54 AM
Maybe he was trying to get Benny to leave sooner, ever thought about that?
 
2013-02-12 09:26:26 AM
 
2013-02-12 09:27:50 AM
To segue off the 'Frankenstein' comment earlier, they are obviously trying to bring back John Paul II.
 
2013-02-12 09:35:30 AM
Meh.

Who the hell cares?
 
2013-02-12 09:38:30 AM

ObscureNameHere: To segue off the 'Frankenstein' comment earlier, they are obviously trying to bring back John Paul II.


I liked JP! I'm not Catholic, either. He just looked like a kindly old Grandfather that you disagreed with vehemently, but couldn't help but want to hug.
 
2013-02-12 09:40:23 AM

I drunk what: of course he is (if he existed, which he doesn't) because catholics are the only true christians

religious people are retarded, and should be systematically wiped out from this universe




We need to separate the liars first.
 
2013-02-12 09:40:31 AM
It was Him, calling up Petrus Romanus.
 
2013-02-12 09:42:06 AM

Spanky McStupid: I drunk what: The_Original_Roxtar: I drunk what: of course he is (if he existed, which he doesn't) because catholics are the only true christians

religious people are retarded, and should be systematically wiped out from this universe

and here we see an example of the "militant atheist"

I'm glad you've found somebody to be bigoted against.

[madmikesamerica.com image 475x336]

your just jealous of my debate skills and because of how much women adore me, you'll get over it

Nah, I'm just jealous of your ability to find and post snarky pictures you find online that substitute for debate.


4.bp.blogspot.com
encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com
 
2013-02-12 09:42:50 AM

Spanky McStupid: I drunk what: The_Original_Roxtar: I drunk what: of course he is (if he existed, which he doesn't) because catholics are the only true christians

religious people are retarded, and should be systematically wiped out from this universe

and here we see an example of the "militant atheist"

I'm glad you've found somebody to be bigoted against.

[madmikesamerica.com image 475x336]

your just jealous of my debate skills and because of how much women adore me, you'll get over it

Nah, I'm just jealous of your ability to find and post snarky pictures you find online that substitute for debate.


The real miracle here is that people are actually buying this guy's schtick.  It's not even good trolling.
 
2013-02-12 09:44:28 AM

StoPPeRmobile: I drunk what: of course he is (if he existed, which he doesn't) because catholics are the only true christians

religious people are retarded, and should be systematically wiped out from this universe

We need to separate the liars first.


that's easy all christians are liars and most religious people are, except for islam the religion of peace, and if you insist on keeping a christian group i suggest mormons because they are the most honest group even  though only catholics are real christians, i don't mind if they want to pretend
 
2013-02-12 09:44:44 AM

czetie: PonceAlyosha: Maybe Benedict is purging the Vatican of's younglings.

I really hope that isn't a euphemism.

 
2013-02-12 09:47:27 AM

RassilonsExWife: I drunk what: your just jealous of my debate skills

And you're grammatical grammartical skills


FTFY

now who is the retard? don't be mad just because i understand science and you don't
 
2013-02-12 09:49:03 AM

The_Original_Roxtar: I drunk what: of course he is (if he existed, which he doesn't) because catholics are the only true christians

religious people are retarded, and should be systematically wiped out from this universe

and here we see an example of the "militant atheist"

I'm glad you've found somebody to be bigoted against.


i'm ok you're ok
 
2013-02-12 09:49:08 AM
The churches didn't want lighting rods at first...
Something about God's will...
But damage and fires cost money, and the lightning rods didn't cost that much.

So they put them up, no more lightning damage, thank God!
 
2013-02-12 09:51:10 AM
I would hit that like the angry fist of God.  Oh, wait...wrong thread.  Sorry.
 
2013-02-12 09:53:55 AM
The earth itself said GTFO!
 
2013-02-12 09:55:06 AM
Surah 30:24

And among His Signs, He shows you the lightning, by way both of fear and of hope, and He sends down rain from the sky and with it gives life to the earth after it is dead: verily in that are Signs for those who are wise.
 
2013-02-12 10:01:16 AM

LDM90: Wow, I bet that never happens


It's almost like they have something up there...something to...conduct electricity, perhaps? In a long metal cylindrical shape designed to ensure that the lightning doesn't strike elsewhere?
 
2013-02-12 10:12:16 AM

LoneWolf343: orezona: nmemkha: jfivealive: Thunderbolts and lightning, very very frightening

Galileo

Figaro

Manifico!

/I'm just a poor boy
//Nobody loves me.


Did Scaramouche ever do the fandango? Is this still an issue or what?
 
2013-02-12 10:17:27 AM

I drunk what: of course he is (if he existed, which he doesn't) because catholics are the only true christians

religious people are retarded, and should be systematically wiped out from this universe


Lol. So edgy.
 
2013-02-12 10:21:38 AM
Bolts of lightning are so old school. God (or should I say aliens) should of just beamed him up.
 
2013-02-12 10:22:46 AM

I drunk what: of course he is (if he existed, which he doesn't) because catholics are the only true christians

religious people are retarded, and should be systematically wiped out from this universe


You're not helping....
 
2013-02-12 10:31:15 AM
Lightning crashes, an old pope resigns.
 
2013-02-12 10:31:54 AM

Silverstaff: I drunk what: The_Original_Roxtar: I drunk what: of course he is (if he existed, which he doesn't) because catholics are the only true christians

religious people are retarded, and should be systematically wiped out from this universe

and here we see an example of the "militant atheist"

I'm glad you've found somebody to be bigoted against.

[madmikesamerica.com image 475x336]

your just jealous of my debate skills and because of how much women adore me, you'll get over it

[media.mahalo.com image 265x335]

What an actual "Militant Atheist" may look like.  You know, somebody who founded an organization actually called the "League of Militant Atheists" with the explicit goal of eradicating religion from the world.  Somebody who used the powers of a totalitarian state to close churches and seminaries, imprison clergy, and use massive propaganda to demonize the very concept of religious faith.

Calling a snarky guy on the internet a "militant atheist" is like calling my grandmother with her FWD:FWD:FWD e-mails about Jesus a "militant Christian"

Every belief system has its militant members, atheism is included in that.  Atheists like to pretend they are somehow superior to theists, but they forget how much blood has been spilled in the name of atheist philosophies like communism.  That or they play the "no true Scotsman" card and claim that communism isn't really atheistic or that it doesn't count somehow despite atheism being a key tenet of communism.


8/10

And I'll bite: please explain how atheism is a "key tenet of communism".
 
2013-02-12 10:45:39 AM

NateAsbestos: Silverstaff: I drunk what: The_Original_Roxtar: I drunk what: of course he is (if he existed, which he doesn't) because catholics are the only true christians

religious people are retarded, and should be systematically wiped out from this universe

and here we see an example of the "militant atheist"

I'm glad you've found somebody to be bigoted against.

[madmikesamerica.com image 475x336]

your just jealous of my debate skills and because of how much women adore me, you'll get over it

[media.mahalo.com image 265x335]

What an actual "Militant Atheist" may look like.  You know, somebody who founded an organization actually called the "League of Militant Atheists" with the explicit goal of eradicating religion from the world.  Somebody who used the powers of a totalitarian state to close churches and seminaries, imprison clergy, and use massive propaganda to demonize the very concept of religious faith.

Calling a snarky guy on the internet a "militant atheist" is like calling my grandmother with her FWD:FWD:FWD e-mails about Jesus a "militant Christian"

Every belief system has its militant members, atheism is included in that.  Atheists like to pretend they are somehow superior to theists, but they forget how much blood has been spilled in the name of atheist philosophies like communism.  That or they play the "no true Scotsman" card and claim that communism isn't really atheistic or that it doesn't count somehow despite atheism being a key tenet of communism.

8/10

And I'll bite: please explain how atheism is a "key tenet of communism".


Lets flip it around: name a significant communist movement that was ideologically theist.
 
2013-02-12 10:50:24 AM

nmemkha: NateAsbestos: Silverstaff: I drunk what: The_Original_Roxtar: I drunk what: of course he is (if he existed, which he doesn't) because catholics are the only true christians

religious people are retarded, and should be systematically wiped out from this universe

and here we see an example of the "militant atheist"

I'm glad you've found somebody to be bigoted against.

[madmikesamerica.com image 475x336]

your just jealous of my debate skills and because of how much women adore me, you'll get over it

[media.mahalo.com image 265x335]

What an actual "Militant Atheist" may look like.  You know, somebody who founded an organization actually called the "League of Militant Atheists" with the explicit goal of eradicating religion from the world.  Somebody who used the powers of a totalitarian state to close churches and seminaries, imprison clergy, and use massive propaganda to demonize the very concept of religious faith.

Calling a snarky guy on the internet a "militant atheist" is like calling my grandmother with her FWD:FWD:FWD e-mails about Jesus a "militant Christian"

Every belief system has its militant members, atheism is included in that.  Atheists like to pretend they are somehow superior to theists, but they forget how much blood has been spilled in the name of atheist philosophies like communism.  That or they play the "no true Scotsman" card and claim that communism isn't really atheistic or that it doesn't count somehow despite atheism being a key tenet of communism.

8/10

And I'll bite: please explain how atheism is a "key tenet of communism".

Lets flip it around: name a significant communist movement that was ideologically theist.


No, that's a totally different question and has nothing to do with Silverstaff's claim.
 
2013-02-12 11:06:50 AM
1.bp.blogspot.com

Does the Pope play golf (in the woods)?
 
2013-02-12 11:10:13 AM

NateAsbestos: nmemkha: NateAsbestos: Silverstaff: I drunk what: The_Original_Roxtar: I drunk what: of course he is (if he existed, which he doesn't) because catholics are the only true christians

religious people are retarded, and should be systematically wiped out from this universe

and here we see an example of the "militant atheist"

I'm glad you've found somebody to be bigoted against.

[madmikesamerica.com image 475x336]

your just jealous of my debate skills and because of how much women adore me, you'll get over it

[media.mahalo.com image 265x335]

What an actual "Militant Atheist" may look like.  You know, somebody who founded an organization actually called the "League of Militant Atheists" with the explicit goal of eradicating religion from the world.  Somebody who used the powers of a totalitarian state to close churches and seminaries, imprison clergy, and use massive propaganda to demonize the very concept of religious faith.

Calling a snarky guy on the internet a "militant atheist" is like calling my grandmother with her FWD:FWD:FWD e-mails about Jesus a "militant Christian"

Every belief system has its militant members, atheism is included in that.  Atheists like to pretend they are somehow superior to theists, but they forget how much blood has been spilled in the name of atheist philosophies like communism.  That or they play the "no true Scotsman" card and claim that communism isn't really atheistic or that it doesn't count somehow despite atheism being a key tenet of communism.

8/10

And I'll bite: please explain how atheism is a "key tenet of communism".

Lets flip it around: name a significant communist movement that was ideologically theist.

No, that's a totally different question and has nothing to do with Silverstaff's claim.


So ... can't find one?
 
2013-02-12 11:10:45 AM
I think dog was just taking a pot shot.
 
2013-02-12 11:32:58 AM

nmemkha: Lets flip it around: name a significant communist movement that was ideologically theist.


Liberation theology, perhaps? At least the right-wingers who feel threatened by it like to tag it as "communism".

Christian communism is a form of religious communism based on Christianity. It is a theological and political theory based upon the view that the teachings of Jesus Christ compel Christians to support communism as the ideal social system. Although there is no universal agreement on the exact date when Christian communism was founded, many Christian communists assert that evidence from the Bible suggests that the first Christians, including the Apostles, established their own small communist society in the years following Jesus' death and resurrection. As such, many advocates of Christian communism argue that it was taught by Jesus and practiced by the Apostles themselves.

Of course, you can say that that's not a truly Scottish "significant" movement.
 
2013-02-12 11:36:45 AM

NateAsbestos: And I'll bite: please explain how atheism is a "key tenet of communism".


"Religion is the Opiate of the People" - Karl Marx.

"Atheism is a natural and inseparable part of Marxism, of the theory and practice of scientific socialism " - Vladimir Lenin

"All modern religions and churches, all and of every kind of religious organizations are always considered by Marxism as the organs of bourgeois reaction, used for the protection of the exploitation and the stupefaction of the working class." - Vladimir Lenin

There is the League of Militant Atheists, the official state body of the USSR created to eradicate religion and oversee the dismantling of religion from society.

The People's Republic of China is officially atheist, and part of the whole point of the Cultural Revolution was the wholesale eradication of all religion from China.  Religion was only tolerated once it was clear it could not be destroyed outright.

Then there was Pol Pot and his goal (among other goals) of the wholesale eradication of religion in Cambodia, from razing Buddhist temples and Catholic cathedrals to the ground, to the wholesale slaughter of clergy and monks in the killing fields.

The whole reason that the National Motto of the United States was changed from "E Pluribus Unum" to "In God We Trust" and that "Under God" was appended to the end of the Pledge of Allegiance in the 1950's was specifically to respond to the atheism of Communism.

Then there was this classic bit of Communist propaganda:
upload.wikimedia.org

. . .where the enemies of Communism are established: Capitalist governments, religion, the military that back capitalist governments, and the middle class (i.e. the bourgeois since Communist dogma liked to use the French term)

I find is incredibly amusing that at suggesting that atheism is not this morally superior philosophy that it pretends to be and is just as flawed as any other belief system, that I'm called a troll or a FOX News viewer.  Atheists get just as butthurt at hearing that their belief system isn't perfect as theists do.

No, not all atheists are communists, but Marxist-Leninist and Maoist Communism (i.e. pretty much everything that is generally referred to as "Communist") are blatantly and unabashedly atheist ideologies. . .and that's the face of militant atheism.

Did communists have other motives beyond just atheism?  Yeah.  Then again, if you think every Taliban fighter is in it just because of Islamic fundamentalism instead of loyalty to their Pashtu tribes and resentment at being invaded yet again, or that Palestinian militants are blowing themselves up because they are fundamentalist Muslims instead of trying to resist Israeli oppression, you may be the one watching too much FOX News.
 
2013-02-12 11:38:31 AM

jfarkinB: nmemkha: Lets flip it around: name a significant communist movement that was ideologically theist.

Liberation theology, perhaps? At least the right-wingers who feel threatened by it like to tag it as "communism".

Christian communism is a form of religious communism based on Christianity. It is a theological and political theory based upon the view that the teachings of Jesus Christ compel Christians to support communism as the ideal social system. Although there is no universal agreement on the exact date when Christian communism was founded, many Christian communists assert that evidence from the Bible suggests that the first Christians, including the Apostles, established their own small communist society in the years following Jesus' death and resurrection. As such, many advocates of Christian communism argue that it was taught by Jesus and practiced by the Apostles themselves.

Of course, you can say that that's not a truly Scottish "significant" movement.


I am willing to grant they are significant movement. Just tell what country as historically embraced their philosophy and I will concede the debate. Surely a "significant" movement would have been the basis of at least one sovereign government throughout history.

I know Atheistic Communism has been the basis for several (USSR, China, Korea, Vietnam, etc.).
 
2013-02-12 12:01:52 PM

Silverstaff: I find is incredibly amusing that at suggesting that atheism is not this morally superior philosophy that it pretends to be and is just as flawed as any other belief system, that I'm called a troll or a FOX News viewer. Atheists get just as butthurt at hearing that their belief system isn't perfect as theists do.

No, not all atheists are communists, but Marxist-Leninist and Maoist Communism (i.e. pretty much everything that is generally referred to as "Communist") are blatantly and unabashedly atheist ideologies. . .and that's the face of militant atheism.

Did communists have other motives beyond just atheism? Yeah. Then again, if you think every Taliban fighter is in it just because of Islamic fundamentalism instead of loyalty to their Pashtu tribes and resentment at being invaded yet again, or that Palestinian militants are blowing themselves up because they are fundamentalist Muslims instead of trying to resist Israeli oppression, you may be the one watching too much FOX News.


Cut it out. This is no place for careful and nuanced consideration.
 
2013-02-12 12:04:09 PM
Too many kid farkers in catholicism for me to EVER take them seriously about anything.
B
 
2013-02-12 12:15:02 PM

I drunk what: of course he is (if he existed, which he doesn't) because catholics are the only true christians

religious people are retarded, and should be systematically wiped out from this universe


thanks for the nazi dogma, God knows we can't get enough of that...
 
2013-02-12 12:17:11 PM

verdigris1: I drunk what: of course he is (if he existed, which he doesn't) because catholics are the only true christians

religious people are retarded, and should be systematically wiped out from this universe

thanks for the nazi dogma, God knows we can't get enough of that...


you know who else liked nazi dogma?
 
2013-02-12 01:16:12 PM
Borgias?  Anyone?
 
2013-02-12 01:19:31 PM
I drunk what is just trying to be edgy like all the cool kids are these days. He'll out grow it some time when people he associates with do the same.
 
2013-02-12 01:27:00 PM

WTFDYW: I drunk what is just trying to be edgy like all the cool kids are these days. He'll out grow it some time when people he associates with do the same.



By now I'm convinced he's a believer who is trolling. I think he's made that pretty obvious in this thread.
 
2013-02-12 01:42:40 PM

mongbiohazard: WTFDYW: I drunk what is just trying to be edgy like all the cool kids are these days. He'll out grow it some time when people he associates with do the same.


By now I'm convinced he's a believer who is trolling. I think he's made that pretty obvious in this thread.


that's funny because i was just thinking the same thing about you, how do we know you aren't some religious fundamentalist just trying to troll us for the lulz?

Frank N Stein: I drunk what: of course he is (if he existed, which he doesn't) because catholics are the only true christians

religious people are retarded, and should be systematically wiped out from this universe

Lol. So edgy.


on the cutting edge of Progress! cheers :D
 
2013-02-12 03:06:38 PM

The_Original_Roxtar: I drunk what: of course he is (if he existed, which he doesn't) because catholics are the only true christians

religious people are retarded, and should be systematically wiped out from this universe

and here we see an example of the "militant atheist"

I'm glad you've found somebody to be bigoted against.


api.ning.com
We found one!
 
2013-02-12 03:14:47 PM
Well, for you anti-papists... just hope the next pope takes the name Peter Romanus and things should end well for you.
 
2013-02-12 03:15:04 PM

saturn badger: The_Original_Roxtar: I drunk what: of course he is (if he existed, which he doesn't) because catholics are the only true christians

religious people are retarded, and should be systematically wiped out from this universe

and here we see an example of the "militant atheist"

I'm glad you've found somebody to be bigoted against.

[api.ning.com image 672x780]
We found one!


LOL invisible sky wizard lulz
 
2013-02-12 03:32:57 PM
nmemkha:So ... can't find one?

Didn't even look because it's a red herring and a movement of the goalposts.

Silverstaff:

By this rationale, everything America does is exemplary of capitalism. You're arguing backwards.

The prominent communist leaders you mention were atheist, therefore being atheist is required to be communist? They were also all men, so being a man must be a requisite to be a communist.

Never said  I was atheist, communist, or watched Fox News (not even sure why this came up). Just pointing out the logic is not sound.
 
2013-02-12 03:53:16 PM

jfarkinB: nmemkha: Lets flip it around: name a significant communist movement that was ideologically theist.

Liberation theology, perhaps? At least the right-wingers who feel threatened by it like to tag it as "communism".

Christian communism is a form of religious communism based on Christianity. It is a theological and political theory based upon the view that the teachings of Jesus Christ compel Christians to support communism as the ideal social system. Although there is no universal agreement on the exact date when Christian communism was founded, many Christian communists assert that evidence from the Bible suggests that the first Christians, including the Apostles, established their own small communist society in the years following Jesus' death and resurrection. As such, many advocates of Christian communism argue that it was taught by Jesus and practiced by the Apostles themselves.

Of course, you can say that that's not a truly Scottish "significant" movement.


The idea that the early Church were proto-communists most likely comes from this passage in Acts 2, describing early Christians.

"44 And all who believed were together and had all things in common.45 And they were selling their possessions and belongings and distributing the proceeds to all, as any had need.46 And day by day, attending the temple together and breaking bread in their homes, they received their food with glad and generous hearts"

And later in Acts 4:

"34There was not a needy person among them, for as many as were owners of lands or houses sold them and brought the proceeds of what was sold35and laid it at the apostles' feet, and it was distributed to each as any had need"
 
2013-02-12 04:26:45 PM
The next pope
i47.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-12 06:17:58 PM

NateAsbestos: The prominent communist leaders you mention were atheist, therefore being atheist is required to be communist? They were also all men, so being a man must be a requisite to be a communist.

Never said I was atheist, communist, or watched Fox News (not even sure why this came up). Just pointing out the logic is not sound.


From those quotes, I would say that to the definitions of communism laid out by Karl Marx and V.I. Lenin, yes, atheism is a requirement to communism.

Yes, I know there are people who call themselves religious communists. . .but to the people who basically created communism and defined it that would be crazy talk.  I would not say it's No True Scotsman to say somebody who doesn't follow the definitions of communism by the people who created the ideology isn't really a communist.

As for the FOX news thing, vpb upthread accused me of getting the idea that there was any tie between atheism and communism from FOX News.  I got the idea from the words of the author of the Communist Manifesto and the leader of the communist revolution in Russia.  Y'know, people who might know what communism is about.  Then backed that up with communist propaganda, which is at least useful for knowing what communism claims as doctrine, and how other communist leaders and regimes engaged in similar campaigns to eradicate religion.

Anyway, the whole point of this little derailment in the discussion was as a rebuttal to I drunk what posting that worn-out comic that tries to liken grumpy whiners with suicide bombers and abortion-clinic killers, pretending that nobody has ever killed or committed atrocities in the name of atheism, which the history of the 20th century shows is false.  Even if you weed out the vast majority of things done by those regimes, the Orthodox Christian clergy who were thrown in gulags and had their churches bulldozed by the USSR because of their religion, or the Buddhist monks who were slain in the killing fields for no reason other than their faith, the Chechen Muslims who were deported en-masse to work camps to be worked to death because their faith made them enemies of the state, or the Chinese monks who were killed and their temples burned to the ground during the Cultural Revolution would seem to put up a significant body count, certainly higher than abortion clinic killers.
 
2013-02-12 06:31:24 PM
Silverstaff:<snip>

Fair enough. I'd never try to claim that atheists had never committed atrocities. I just disagree from a pedantic standpoint that the advocacy of government-owned capital has any bearing whatsoever on one's religious beliefs, much less demand a disavowal of a god or gods. They just don't seem like intrinsically linked philosophies, even if the leaders who instilled communism generally were atheists. The ideology of communism may have been created by atheists but it's not an important tenet: communism is a market civic, the other a religious philosophy. Me being a computer scientist doesn't require I adhere to the religious beliefs of Turing, Lovelace, or Babbage.

*shrug*
 
2013-02-12 06:51:47 PM

The_Original_Roxtar: I drunk what: of course he is (if he existed, which he doesn't) because catholics are the only true christians

religious people are retarded, and should be systematically wiped out from this universe

and here we see an example of the "militant atheist" troll

I'm glad you've found somebody to be bigoted against.


FTFY.  I have a pair of pliers handy if you need help with that hook.
 
2013-02-12 08:17:05 PM

RootBoy42: jfarkinB: nmemkha: Lets flip it around: name a significant communist movement that was ideologically theist.

Liberation theology, perhaps? At least the right-wingers who feel threatened by it like to tag it as "communism".

Christian communism is a form of religious communism based on Christianity. It is a theological and political theory based upon the view that the teachings of Jesus Christ compel Christians to support communism as the ideal social system. Although there is no universal agreement on the exact date when Christian communism was founded, many Christian communists assert that evidence from the Bible suggests that the first Christians, including the Apostles, established their own small communist society in the years following Jesus' death and resurrection. As such, many advocates of Christian communism argue that it was taught by Jesus and practiced by the Apostles themselves.

Of course, you can say that that's not a truly Scottish "significant" movement.

The idea that the early Church were proto-communists most likely comes from this passage in Acts 2, describing early Christians.

"44 And all who believed were together and had all things in common.45 And they were selling their possessions and belongings and distributing the proceeds to all, as any had need.46 And day by day, attending the temple together and breaking bread in their homes, they received their food with glad and generous hearts"

And later in Acts 4:

"34There was not a needy person among them, for as many as were owners of lands or houses sold them and brought the proceeds of what was sold35and laid it at the apostles' feet, and it was distributed to each as any had need"


Too bad they sold out to Mammon.
 
2013-02-12 08:36:34 PM
Maybe Darth Sidious was finally found out. Star Wars is real, yo. He has to face his crimes.
 
2013-02-12 08:48:48 PM

Spaced Cowboy: The_Original_Roxtar: I drunk what: of course he is (if he existed, which he doesn't) because catholics are the only true christians

religious people are retarded, and should be systematically wiped out from this universe

and here we see an example of the "militant atheist" troll

I'm glad you've found somebody to be bigoted against.

FTFY.  I have a pair of pliers handy if you need help with that hook.


so what you're saying is that anyone who doesn't believe in invisible sky wizards is a troll?

encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com
 
2013-02-12 10:32:34 PM
Cheap shot, sparky.
 
2013-02-13 10:44:05 PM

saturn badger: The_Original_Roxtar: I drunk what: of course he is (if he existed, which he doesn't) because catholics are the only true christians

religious people are retarded, and should be systematically wiped out from this universe

and here we see an example of the "militant atheist"

I'm glad you've found somebody to be bigoted against.

[api.ning.com image 672x780]
We found one!


  I remember this one:

www.lolwtfcomics.com
 
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