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2013-02-11 11:55:09 PM
Meh, we went through this last week.  The second smallest hole was in 2002, and the largest ever recorded was in 2006.

We'll probably play this same game again in another 10 years.  It will take time for the hole to close permanently, or at least shrink to consistently small levels.
 
2013-02-11 11:56:21 PM
You mean something man did actually worked?  (CFC ban)

We must quash this false data, else everyone will expect us to do something about climate change!
 
2013-02-12 01:53:05 AM
Link farked already.
 
2013-02-12 05:23:44 AM
This goes against everything libs believe
 
2013-02-12 05:23:46 AM
It is funny to remember the headlines when CFCs were banned about how the entire global economy was going to crash and burn because of such massive government interference in the markets.
 
2013-02-12 05:28:15 AM
Thank god, I've been dying to use my stock pile of hair spray from the 80's. These bangs are going to soar again!
 
2013-02-12 05:30:44 AM
looks cyclical.

/ducks
 
2013-02-12 05:31:52 AM
Adele's pantyhose.  Thar be the enemy!
 
2013-02-12 05:35:03 AM

xria: It is funny to remember the headlines when CFCs were banned about how the entire global economy was going to crash and burn because of such massive government interference in the markets.


Funny, I remember how the hole in the ozone was going to kill us all and it was probably already too late
 
2013-02-12 05:38:39 AM
"Scientists" if the ozone hole closes - "We told you CFCs were the problem".

"Scientists" if the ozone hole doesn't close - "We told you that it was too late".

Science, it just works...either way....bizzatches.
 
2013-02-12 05:39:30 AM

giftedmadness: This goes against everything libs believe


LOLWUT?
 
2013-02-12 05:41:49 AM
As I said in the other link to this story.

Sorry the whole 'ozone hole' thing didn't work out the way you wanted and it is probably a naturally occurring phenomenon but you learned your lessons... You're much better at creating global panic over absolutely nothing now, so maybe 'climate change' will do a better job of creating a global panic the way you want.
 
2013-02-12 05:49:04 AM

mike_d85: looks cyclical.

/ducks


Shoots

/dog laughing
 
2013-02-12 05:53:17 AM

randomjsa: As I said in the other link to this story.

Sorry the whole 'ozone hole' thing didn't work out the way you wanted and it is probably a naturally occurring phenomenon but you learned your lessons... You're much better at creating global panic over absolutely nothing now, so maybe 'climate change' will do a better job of creating a global panic the way you want.


It was only a matter of time till someone took a thread shiat.
 
2013-02-12 05:55:12 AM
This thread is proof positive that if you strongly hold a position, any bit of news can be spun to reinforce your belief.
 
2013-02-12 05:59:40 AM

randomjsa: As I said in the other link to this story.

Sorry the whole 'ozone hole' thing didn't work out the way you wanted and it is probably a naturally occurring phenomenon but you learned your lessons... You're much better at creating global panic over absolutely nothing now, so maybe 'climate change' will do a better job of creating a global panic the way you want.


More easier to say some thrive on chaos and will twist facts any way in the name of positive change.

1970's: Global Cooling, everyone panic!
1980's: Ozone is depleting, everyone panic!
1990's: Global Warming, everyone panic!
2000's: Global Climate Change, everyone panic!
 
2013-02-12 06:00:50 AM

randomjsa: As I said in the other link to this story.

Sorry the whole 'ozone hole' thing didn't work out the way you wanted and it is probably a naturally occurring phenomenon but you learned your lessons...  but we decided not to be completely apathetic about it and actually did something before we wrecked our only place to live. ...


Seriously bud, your cause-and-effect inferences are amazing.
 
2013-02-12 06:02:30 AM

sudo give me more cowbell: randomjsa: As I said in the other link to this story.

Sorry the whole 'ozone hole' thing didn't work out the way you wanted and it is probably a naturally occurring phenomenon but you learned your lessons... was looking like a bit of a problem at first, but we decided not to be completely apathetic about it and actually did something before we wrecked our only place to live. ...

typo. FTFM
 
2013-02-12 06:02:30 AM

RabidJade: randomjsa: As I said in the other link to this story.

Sorry the whole 'ozone hole' thing didn't work out the way you wanted and it is probably a naturally occurring phenomenon but you learned your lessons... You're much better at creating global panic over absolutely nothing now, so maybe 'climate change' will do a better job of creating a global panic the way you want.

More easier to say some thrive on chaos and will twist facts any way in the name of positive change.

1970's: Global Cooling, everyone panic!
1980's: Ozone is depleting, everyone panic!
1990's: Global Warming, everyone panic!
2000's: Global Climate Change, everyone panic!




Wow, it's almost like we have decades worth of data to be concerned about.
 
2013-02-12 06:05:50 AM
Still too cold in Antarctica.
 
2013-02-12 06:06:09 AM

RabidJade: randomjsa: As I said in the other link to this story.

Sorry the whole 'ozone hole' thing didn't work out the way you wanted and it is probably a naturally occurring phenomenon but you learned your lessons... You're much better at creating global panic over absolutely nothing now, so maybe 'climate change' will do a better job of creating a global panic the way you want.

More easier to say some thrive on chaos and will twist facts any way in the name of positive change.

1970's: Global Cooling, everyone panic!

Nobody ever said this. Ever. Stop being deliberately dishonest.
1980's: Ozone is depleting, everyone panic! -Let's ban CFC's since they've been shown to be causing the probem.
2000's: Hey, that whole "banning CFC's thing" actually worked. Great!
1990's: Global Warming,
everyone panic!
2000's: Global Climate Change, everyone panic! sit on their asses and do nothing because we don't like science and prefer to live in our own pretend reality where science doesn't work.
 
2013-02-12 06:08:13 AM
This is great news for penguins. Now they don't have to worry about skin cancer.
 
2013-02-12 06:08:24 AM

ghare: giftedmadness: This goes against everything libs believe

LOLWUT?




R u that dumb?
 
2013-02-12 06:13:10 AM

giftedmadness: This goes against everything libs believe


Look, if you're going to troll then try not to go so completely over the top.  It just makes it so obvious.
 
2013-02-12 06:22:47 AM

xria: It is funny to remember the headlines when CFCs were banned about how the entire global economy was going to crash and burn because of such massive government interference in the markets.


Banning CFCs = A chemical in my fridge is replaced with another. BFD
Moving away from fossil fuel = I have to change the way I live. OMFG!
 
2013-02-12 06:24:33 AM

giftedmadness: This goes against everything libs believe


Fixing a problem by following the advice of scientists goes against everything libs believe?

This lib believes you's trollin'.
 
2013-02-12 06:42:52 AM
sudo give me more cowbell:
1970's: Global Cooling, everyone panic!
Nobody ever said this. Ever. Stop being deliberately dishonest.


Hrm,
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,944914,00.html
http://denisdutton.com/newsweek_coolingworld.pdf

Although it has been refuted my point was it was published in more than one place to create environmental panic in that decade. To refute a lot of that evidence some organizations reported they didn't have a great understanding of climate change for the era. But you know, let's just take the loudest and most obnoxious scientists at face value and run around in a panic waiting for the sky to implode.

Science is just another form of religion with the sides proving each other wrong with information that only certain people take as fact. Government mandating science isn't the proper course of action either.
 
2013-02-12 06:51:48 AM
Can we see the data in numerical form, possibly even graphical, to determine if there's been a positive trend since the Montreal Protocol?

/inquiring fire protection engineer mourning the loss of Halon products would be curious to know
 
2013-02-12 06:51:50 AM
Just further evidence that climate change is real.
 
2013-02-12 06:56:08 AM
What about the ozone layer everywhere else?  The hole over antarctica was kind of contraversial because there wasn't much early data--most satellites don't orbit at such extreme inclinations that they can get a look at the poles.  But the effect of CFC's on the ozone layer globally was noticed well before the hole was spotted.  So, has the ozone layer recovered elsewhere?
 
2013-02-12 06:57:33 AM

giftedmadness: ghare: giftedmadness: This goes against everything libs believe

LOLWUT?

R u that dumb?


LOLOLWUTWUT????
 
2013-02-12 06:58:12 AM

RabidJade: sudo give me more cowbell:
1970's: Global Cooling, everyone panic!
Nobody ever said this. Ever. Stop being deliberately dishonest.

Hrm,
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,944914,00.html
http://denisdutton.com/newsweek_coolingworld.pdf

Although it has been refuted my point was it was published in more than one place to create environmental panic in that decade. To refute a lot of that evidence some organizations reported they didn't have a great understanding of climate change for the era. But you know, let's just take the loudest and most obnoxious scientists at face value and run around in a panic waiting for the sky to implode.

Science is just another form of religion with the sides proving each other wrong with information that only certain people take as fact. Government mandating science isn't the proper course of action either.


LOLWUT?
 
2013-02-12 06:59:39 AM

RabidJade: Science is just another form of religion


Nonsense--if it were, we would have a much easier time raising money.

BTW, where do you think the gadget you are using to post to the internet came from?  And the internet itself for that matter?  Science probably also played a role in your not dying in childhood, though that is more statistical.
 
2013-02-12 07:00:39 AM
I find it funny that we have been funding „scientists "to go to Antarctica to study a hole in an invisible layer. These people have not been freezing their buttocks off - they took the money, stopped in Rio and had a great time.

"Oh, that hole in the invisible layer?It's closing now.Pass me another Caipirinha."
 
2013-02-12 07:01:40 AM

pciszek: RabidJade: Science is just another form of religion

Nonsense--if it were, we would have a much easier time raising money.

BTW, where do you think the gadget you are using to post to the internet came from?  And the internet itself for that matter?  Science probably also played a role in your not dying in childhood, though that is more statistical.


bah, that wasn't science that did that, it was reward from jebus for drilling for oil
 
2013-02-12 07:02:16 AM
But.. Hummers!!
 
2013-02-12 07:02:22 AM

xria: It is funny to remember the headlines when CFCs were banned about how the entire global economy was going to crash and burn because of such massive government interference in the markets.


Well, it didn't collapse, and mind you I have no ax to grind in the CFC question (how would i know what's caused the hole), but if the class warriors are to be believed, the economy has been stagnant for the non-rich since the 70s/80s.

Obviously there are many many variables, but I'm just sayin'.
 
2013-02-12 07:06:43 AM
Al Gore seen sticking his fingers in his ears, running around singing " LALALALALALALALALALALALALA".
 
2013-02-12 07:17:21 AM

7FARK7: Al Gore seen sticking his fingers in his ears, running around singing " LALALALALALALALALALALALALA".


??????

If the CFC ban hadn't made any difference, your jab might have some kind of relevance.
 
2013-02-12 07:21:37 AM

Debeo Summa Credo: Well, it didn't collapse, and mind you I have no ax to grind in the CFC question (how would i know what's caused the hole), but if the class warriors are to be believed, the economy has been stagnant for the non-rich since the 70s/80s.


But it hasn't been stagnant for the rich, now, has it?

Is there any evidence that "trickle down" economics works?  Don't tell me why it should work in theory, I've already heard that many times.  Can any economist cough up some empirical data to demonstrate that the model describes the real world?
 
2013-02-12 07:24:38 AM
1980s: We can't ban CFC's; besides, the hole will close on its own.
2010s: See? The hole closed on its own; we didn't need to ban CFCs.

Same logic:

1994: We can't ban assault weapons; besides, crime can't get any worse.
2013: See? crime went down; we didn't need to ban assault weapons.
 
2013-02-12 07:28:09 AM

HaywoodJablonski: Just further evidence that climate change is real.


Yep the temperature changes every day, usually after the sun rises or sets
 
2013-02-12 07:31:04 AM

xria: It is funny to remember the headlines when CFCs were banned about how the entire global economy was going to crash and burn because of such massive government interference in the markets.


No kidding...and I remember similar arguments back when catalytic converters on cars were going to send us all back to the Stone Age.
 
2013-02-12 07:32:51 AM

RabidJade: randomjsa: As I said in the other link to this story.

Sorry the whole 'ozone hole' thing didn't work out the way you wanted and it is probably a naturally occurring phenomenon but you learned your lessons... You're much better at creating global panic over absolutely nothing now, so maybe 'climate change' will do a better job of creating a global panic the way you want.

More easier to say some thrive on chaos and will twist facts any way in the name of positive change.

1970's: Global Cooling, everyone panic!
1980's: Ozone is depleting, everyone panic!
1990's: Global Warming, everyone panic!
2000's: Global Climate Change, everyone panic!


One Newsweek cover is global panic?

Good thing I only ever see it six months later, at my dentist...
 
2013-02-12 07:34:49 AM
So, I'm honestly curious, when we found the hole in the ozone layer, did we know that it wasn't already always there?  Was it solid everywhere and we punched a hole in it, or has there always been a hole there and it fluctuates as natural forces dictate?
 
2013-02-12 07:35:11 AM

RabidJade: sudo give me more cowbell:
1970's: Global Cooling, everyone panic!
Nobody ever said this. Ever. Stop being deliberately dishonest.

Hrm,
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,944914,00.html
http://denisdutton.com/newsweek_coolingworld.pdf

Although it has been refuted my point was it was published in more than one place to create environmental panic in that decade. To refute a lot of that evidence some organizations reported they didn't have a great understanding of climate change for the era. But you know, let's just take the loudest and most obnoxious scientists at face value and run around in a panic waiting for the sky to implode.

Science is just another form of religion with the sides proving each other wrong with information that only certain people take as fact. Government mandating science isn't the proper course of action either.


There should be a penalty of some kind for posting neo-luddite anti-science crap on the INTERNET.
 
2013-02-12 07:37:48 AM

RabidJade: But you know, let's just take the loudest and most obnoxious scientists at face value and run around in a panic waiting for the sky to implode.


www.desmogblog.com
oh yeah... .definitely just a handful of alarmists.
 
2013-02-12 07:38:54 AM
andreedave.com
 
2013-02-12 07:42:52 AM
pciszek:

Is there any evidence that "trickle down" economics works?

Is that a trick question?

Here, learn something, " . . . the record of history is absolutely clear."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWsx1X8PV_A
 
2013-02-12 08:43:08 AM
Gotta love conservatives... "We love pollution because libs libs libs!!!"
 
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