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(The New York Times)   Brooklyn fathers who started hipster dad magazine "Kindling" baffled that anyone could possibly label them hipsters or their project hipster-ish, deem term an empty demarcation. With pics of them playing with their beautiful boys Amon and Phoenix   (cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com) divider line 59
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2013-02-12 01:29:40 AM  
A Particular Kind of Asshole You Didn't Know Existed Until The New York Times Pointed It Out To You.
 
2013-02-12 02:54:08 AM  
He named his kid after a villain in Avatar the Last Airbender?
www.barronnetwork.com
 
2013-02-12 03:02:31 AM  
I think it's cool that beards seem to be making a comeback, but for the love of god will these people hurry up and learn how to trim that shiat already???
 
2013-02-12 03:07:43 AM  
Their names are all you need to know. August, Amon, Phoenix. Even the guy with a normal name like Dave has to go by 'David Michael'.
 
2013-02-12 03:13:13 AM  

foothor: He named his kid after a villain in Avatar the Last Airbender?
[www.barronnetwork.com image 500x281]



Technically Amon is from The Legend of Korra.  Just sayin

/back to my nerd bunker
 
2013-02-12 03:19:03 AM  
upload.wikimedia.org
Amon's a...bold...choice, I guess.
 
2013-02-12 04:44:04 AM  

log_jammin: I think it's cool that beards seem to be making a comeback, but for the love of god will these people hurry up and learn how to trim that shiat already???


The "unkempt scraggly" beard look seems to be a popular fashion around here as well.
 
2013-02-12 05:31:49 AM  
miffed gay fellows who don't want to point out their obvious sexuality. for them it's not hipster, it's sensitive new dad and you're supposed to see that for yourself. no way guys that butt ugly are married to women.
 
2013-02-12 05:49:01 AM  
Magazines are a dead business model. Good luck sustaining that on a "freelance writers" salary (i.e. family money). I give them two issues, tops, before they realize they can't even cover their costs selling $14 magazines to other hypesters.
 
2013-02-12 07:04:52 AM  
Your trust fund or lawyer-wife's patience isn't gonna last forever guys. Enjoy it while you can.

/ They call stores which sell the magazine "stockists" (all five of them, but they have a prospect in Athens, Greece ).
 
2013-02-12 07:36:54 AM  

KrispyKritter: miffed gay fellows who don't want to point out their obvious sexuality. for them it's not hipster, it's sensitive new dad and you're supposed to see that for yourself. no way guys that butt ugly are married to women.


You don't get out much, do you?

Anyway, hipsters aren't hipsters, everyone else are hipsters. According to hipsters.
 
2013-02-12 07:59:31 AM  

2and4: Their names are all you need to know. August, Amon, Phoenix. Even the guy with a normal name like Dave has to go by 'David Michael'.


I don't know: these are not the most common names, but they've got historical cred. August goes all the way back to ancient Rome, and has popped up in English more than once since then. Amon is more likely named after the Egyptian god than the Biblical king, though the pronunciation would be different and we haven't heard their names spoken. Phoenix is a stretch -it's much more common as a last name than a first- but it's got a similar story to Amon: probably the mythological bird, but there are enough people with the name that it could be a family thing.

In short, if we're dealing with hipster-style names-as-branding, it is at least a lesser form of such: they're using things that are actually names, and credibly from their own culture, no less. That's a step up from X-TREEM spellings, jumbled-up syllables, random dictionary words, or straight-up cultural appropriation. It should be encouraged as such.
 
2013-02-12 08:10:26 AM  
I have no idea what this is all about, but I do know that at this point the word "hipster" has been so badly misused as a generic slur for "person whose tastes I dislike" that it has lost all possible meaning and nobody using it really knows what it's supposed to mean anymore.
 
2013-02-12 08:14:46 AM  
What hole in the ground do you guys live in that having a scraggly beard isn't a youth culture thing that almost everyone under 30 is doing?

Also, can we get some Jesus Lizard t-shirts on those kids for christsakes?
 
2013-02-12 08:32:00 AM  
I started out ready to get my hate on, but it all seems positive enough.

The thing that makes people hate hipsters is the I'm-cooler-than-you pretension, people liking expensiveclothes and writing magazine articles about how much they enjoy being fathers doesn't seem overly detestable.
 
2013-02-12 09:09:44 AM  

Millennium: 2and4: Their names are all you need to know. August, Amon, Phoenix. Even the guy with a normal name like Dave has to go by 'David Michael'.

I don't know: these are not the most common names, but they've got historical cred. August goes all the way back to ancient Rome, and has popped up in English more than once since then. Amon is more likely named after the Egyptian god than the Biblical king, though the pronunciation would be different and we haven't heard their names spoken. Phoenix is a stretch -it's much more common as a last name than a first- but it's got a similar story to Amon: probably the mythological bird, but there are enough people with the name that it could be a family thing.

In short, if we're dealing with hipster-style names-as-branding, it is at least a lesser form of such: they're using things that are actually names, and credibly from their own culture, no less. That's a step up from X-TREEM spellings, jumbled-up syllables, random dictionary words, or straight-up cultural appropriation. It should be encouraged as such.


Why do I get the feeling that "Kindling" won't be featuring any young boys named Tyrell, Jalondè, or D'Apostrophe?
 
2013-02-12 09:18:20 AM  

The Smails Kid: Why do I get the feeling that "Kindling" won't be featuring any young boys named Tyrell, Jalondè, or D'Apostrophe?


You know, I kind of like D'Apostrophe.

/has a papillon named D'Artagnan
//is apparently fairly common for papillons
 
2013-02-12 09:21:25 AM  
Business tab, huh?

Not for long.
 
2013-02-12 09:22:03 AM  

Vegan Meat Popsicle: I have no idea what this is all about, but I do know that at this point the word "hipster" has been so badly misused as a generic slur for "person whose tastes I dislike" that it has lost all possible meaning and nobody using it really knows what it's supposed to mean anymore.

You're saying it's an empty demarcation?
 
2013-02-12 09:51:14 AM  
Am I the only one who thought of Brian Posehn after seeing that picture?

/probably
 
2013-02-12 09:54:13 AM  
Aemon the Dragonknight?
 
2013-02-12 09:56:12 AM  
My hipster hate has nothing to do with them liking things I don't. More like, a lot of them are pretentious, judgmental arseholes who think themselves to be more enlightened than others. Like buying a $5 head of "locally sourced", "organic" lettuce and only riding a fixie everywhere somehow makes them better.
 
2013-02-12 10:03:50 AM  
bearcats1983


My hipster hate has nothing to do with them liking things I don't. More like, a lot of them are pretentious, judgmental arseholes who think themselves to be more enlightened than others. Like buying a $5 head of "locally sourced", "organic" lettuce and only riding a fixie everywhere somehow makes them better.


Nailed it
 
2013-02-12 10:05:09 AM  

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: A Particular Kind of Asshole You Didn't Know Existed Until The New York Times Pointed It Out To You.


Thread over, but could I get a source for that?
 
2013-02-12 10:18:04 AM  
FTFA:"Each issue is about how men rebuild themselves around being with their kids," Mr. Perez said.
...
"We have this idea that parenting is all dirty diapers," Mr. Perez said. "But being with my son is amazing. It's dealing with all my anxiety or weird issues that's the real challenge of being a father."


ME!  ME!  ME!  MY ISSUES!!
 
2013-02-12 10:23:22 AM  

Millennium: The Smails Kid: Why do I get the feeling that "Kindling" won't be featuring any young boys named Tyrell, Jalondè, or D'Apostrophe?

You know, I kind of like D'Apostrophe.

/has a papillon named D'Artagnan
//is apparently fairly common for papillons


[steve_mcqueen.jpg]

"I feel pretty good, but I need someone to tell me how I look"
 
2013-02-12 10:59:02 AM  

Millennium: August goes all the way back to ancient Rome, and has popped up in English more than once since then.


My son is named Augustin.  Augustus is a family name (my grandfathers middle name, and his grandfathers first name).  We call him Auggie, and if he wants to have something more manly later in life then it is a simple jump to "Gus".
 
2013-02-12 11:02:12 AM  

Buffalo77: bearcats1983


My hipster hate has nothing to do with them liking things I don't. More like, a lot of them are pretentious, judgmental arseholes who think themselves to be more enlightened than others. Like buying a $5 head of "locally sourced", "organic" lettuce and only riding a fixie everywhere somehow makes them better.


Nailed it


THIS.

Everything they do has to have long winded screed behind it or it isn't worth doing.

Also they're huge attention whores running around basically screaming "OH LOOK AT HOW UNIQUE i AM! PLEASE PAY ATTENTION TO ME!"

Try being yourself for a change FFS.
 
2013-02-12 11:07:02 AM  
Those dudes are 32??  They look in their mid 40s.

We're getting our first child out in August, live in Brooklyn, but are a bit older.  Fortunately live in a non-hipster area.  I'm more concerned, after one early miscarriage and friends having problems, with a healthy son or daughter.  Then I get to freak out about health for a while longer.  The one guy, David Michael, I think, says that "Amon is amazing" and child rearing isn't all dirty diapers.  Of course your baby is amazing, you cretin, he's the most specialist baby in the whole wide world!

I look forward to seeing these kids in their late teens as preservatives-packing Republicans, just to spite their insufferable parents, who have divorced years ago and have lost their creative-type artsy-organic jobs years ago after the market for them collapsed.
 
2013-02-12 11:30:45 AM  
These are the kind of dad's that need their asses kicked by a shirtless, lawn mowin, beer drinkin dad.
 
2013-02-12 11:42:15 AM  

Vegan Meat Popsicle: I have no idea what this is all about, but I do know that at this point the word "hipster" has been so badly misused as a generic slur for "person whose tastes I dislike" that it has lost all possible meaning and nobody using it really knows what it's supposed to mean anymore.


Hipster only works in the direction of less artsy/trendy/youth to more artsy/trendy/youth.  The inverse is either Redneck, Square, or Conservative, or maybe there's some obscure word that captures all of the above but I've never heard of it.
 
2013-02-12 12:33:53 PM  

Monkeyfark Ridiculous: [upload.wikimedia.org image 206x370]
Amon's a...bold...choice, I guess.


Better pic for the young'ns who weren't taught history:

www.scrapbookpages.com
 
2013-02-12 12:55:35 PM  
FTFA:"Before I became a dad, everybody was saying how hard it would be," said Mr. Perez, publisher and editor in chief of the magazine,. "When he was born," he said of his son, Amon, "nobody told me I'd actually enjoy this."

At work a guy without kids was listening while I and another coworker chatted about some of the horrors of parenthood.  At one point he interjected, "You know, you guys don't really sell the parenthood thing very well."  My response to anyone who doesn't have kids is that you can't sell it at all or you are lying.

Everything about being a responsible adult sucks: having a job that you have to go to, having to pay bills, expectations on your behavior and time.  All of that is offset by having the legal freedom to choose what you want to do when you aren't doing all that other crap.  Parenting is the same: more restrictions on your time and money, touching someone else's excrement, and if you are in my lucky boat, getting woken up every 2 hours by a screaming infant that does not feel sleep is a necessary element to life (She is 9 months old and I hope she lives to see 10).  All of the awful is offset by the indescribable joy when she smiles or rolls over for the first time or stands without holding onto anything.

Some people don't get that joy out of kids, but have them anyway and regret it forever, some people do get that joy and can't or don't have kids and regret that forever.  If you don't want to have children, you shouldn't.  Don't do it as an obligation, don't do it to leave a legacy, do it because you want to spend time and energy raising a human from birth.  If that doesn't interest you, don't do it.

//Also, I would never chose this for anyone, but there are plenty of unwanted, neglected, abused, and at-risk kids in the world.  If you are not prepared financially and emotionally to raise a child, get an abortion or arrange for an adoption before the birth, you will both be better off.
 
2013-02-12 01:35:34 PM  

Vegan Meat Popsicle: I have no idea what this is all about, but I do know that at this point the word "hipster" has been so badly misused as a generic slur for "person whose tastes I dislike" that it has lost all possible meaning and nobody using it really knows what it's supposed to mean anymore.


I've been trying to figure this out for some time, and I think I'm starting to really pull something together. Some people here have probably seen my whole authenticity-through-mimesis spiel (i.e. that hipsterism is the idea of being true to yourself by imitating people who are true to themselves), but I'm starting to think that while there's a lot of overlap between these people and hipsters, it's not really a perfect match.

My new attempt at defining hipsterism is "passive-authentic." Like existentialists, hipsters crave authenticity: the sense of being true to themselves. And like the most militant existentialists (e.g. Sartre), they believe that mainstream culture inherently forces people to be "inauthentic." Where they differ from existentialists is that hipsters are not so keen on the idea of forging their own authenticity: they want it prepackaged, sanitary, and easily-recognized. This last serves two purposes: it lets the hipster more easily find "authentic" things to consume, and it also lets others more easily recognize the hipster as "authentic". Even the hipster's own sense of authenticity is rendered passive: only when others recognize him as authentic is he truly satisfied.

This gives us the rise of hipster brands, followed religiously and paraded about until they become mainstream. But it also puts hipster naming into the context of branding: hipsters aim to raise more hipsters, and a faux-creative "unique" name is a core part of that experience. It not only marks the child as authentic in the hipster sense, but the parents as well.

Trying to figure out a sensible definition of hipsterism is tough, because frankly the behavior patterns of hipsterism don't make a lot of sense.
 
2013-02-12 01:46:33 PM  
Amon  from Amon ra- is the god of the sun get it son, sun son

Phoenix burns to death and gets reborn, get it he got gave his wife gonorrhea and impregnated her at the same time.

the inside joke crack me up
 
2013-02-12 01:53:08 PM  
Yes, white hipster dads need a publication to help them along the road of fatherhood. That's precisely the demographic we should turn our attention to.
 
2013-02-12 01:53:34 PM  
Self-absorbed twaddle.
 
2013-02-12 02:01:15 PM  

roc6783: getting woken up every 2 hours by a screaming infant that does not feel sleep is a necessary element to life


Ouch, feel ya!  My first child slept 6 hours a night right from the hospital. He is three now and can do 10 hours easily.

My second one slept for about an hour a night....(in 10 min intervals throughout the night)

She is a year old now, and will sleep for about 4 hours before crying for 30 mins then going back to sleep. If she doesn't sound stressed out, I just ignore her.

/she is the demon possessed ginger that I love with all my heart and soul (since I'm pretty sure she stole my soul the day she was conceived)
 
2013-02-12 02:15:54 PM  

Burr: roc6783: ***snip***

My second one slept for about an hour a night....(in 10 min intervals throughout the night)

She is a year old now, and will sleep for about 4 hours before crying for 30 mins then going back to sleep. If she doesn't sound stressed out, I just ignore her.

/she is the demon possessed ginger that I love with all my heart and soul (since I'm pretty sure she stole my soul the day she was conceived)


*internetfistpound*

I am just hoping she survives to the age where we can just tell her to amuse herself in her bedroom if she wakes up, then go back to sleep, since at this point she just starts screaming until someone her mother gets her.  She really has no interest in me at night and 9 of 10 times will just keep her head pointed in the direction of our bedroom door and cry until my wife comes and takes her from me.  My wife hasn't slept for more than 4 hours in a row in 18 months and usually sleeps for less than 2 hours in a row.  She is very much at the end of her ability to cope (she stays home with our daughter too so she never gets a real break) so I really hope something changes in the next few months.  We have tried every suggestion, besides giving her alcohol, and even our doctor's response was "Ya, sometimes kids just don't sleep much.  Sucks to be you."
 
2013-02-12 02:20:33 PM  
When did the hipsters overtake Brooklyn?
 
2013-02-12 03:11:47 PM  

RabidJade: log_jammin: I think it's cool that beards seem to be making a comeback, but for the love of god will these people hurry up and learn how to trim that shiat already???

The "unkempt scraggly" beard look seems to be a popular fashion around here as well.


The hipsters are just mimicing the Orthodox Jews that live just down the street from the hipster neighborhood. (I just pray I don't see Orthodox Jewish hipsters with multi-colored payos!)
 
2013-02-12 03:18:53 PM  

roc6783: Burr: roc6783: ***snip***

My second one slept for about an hour a night....(in 10 min intervals throughout the night)

She is a year old now, and will sleep for about 4 hours before crying for 30 mins then going back to sleep. If she doesn't sound stressed out, I just ignore her.

/she is the demon possessed ginger that I love with all my heart and soul (since I'm pretty sure she stole my soul the day she was conceived)

*internetfistpound*

I am just hoping she survives to the age where we can just tell her to amuse herself in her bedroom if she wakes up, then go back to sleep, since at this point she just starts screaming until someone her mother gets her.  She really has no interest in me at night and 9 of 10 times will just keep her head pointed in the direction of our bedroom door and cry until my wife comes and takes her from me.  My wife hasn't slept for more than 4 hours in a row in 18 months and usually sleeps for less than 2 hours in a row.  She is very much at the end of her ability to cope (she stays home with our daughter too so she never gets a real break) so I really hope something changes in the next few months.  We have tried every suggestion, besides giving her alcohol, and even our doctor's response was "Ya, sometimes kids just don't sleep much.  Sucks to be you."


Give her to the zoo?
 
2013-02-12 03:33:06 PM  

keepitcherry: When did the hipsters overtake Brooklyn?


Since the late 90s to early 2000s. They used to be called "Bohemians" back then. My ex-girlfriend all those years ago in the Bronx seemed to be enamored with them but at the same time tell me stories that got me to cringe. It's probably why I have my hipster hate now, because not only have I seen a homogenization of the bad things that come with these hipsters, they have been starting to steal things from Goths like me and other subcultures and then pretend it's something they "discovered" and try to rename it as their own. For example, alot of Goth bands that some hipsters will listen to like Siouxsie, Bauhaus, Death in June, Rosetta Stone, and others will be called "Post Punk" and never have the title Goth be mentioned by a single hipster, I have even seen and heard of Wikipedia entries changed to reflect this.

Now if you're wondering why I am complaining about a simple change to an internet created dictionary, is how I came to learn about and enjoy Goth music and the Goth scene in the first place. As a very young adult who was in college and in the work force, I had a high school friend who was a Marilyn Manson-type goth girl who introduced me to the scene and took me to my first club in Philly. Instead of picking up every Marylin Manson and Nine Inch Nails CD I could get a hold of, I instead went online and did a little research and found out what Goth truly is to people and what the music is like. I found I loved it alot more than listening to "Beautiful People" at my friend's place and I bought my first (I still own it today) Sisters of Mercy album First and Last and Always (while my confused friend looks at me sideways and has to ask her boyfriend who The Sisters of Mercy are).  Now if I was ten years younger and today wanted to learn about the Goth scene, some hipster friend would be pushing me away from that and instead I would be wearing a pair of no-lens glasses frames and unmatched clothing, going to the inaugural concert of the "Post Punk Quadraphonic Hip Hop Revival band 'The Purple Dildos'" and I wouldn't have much opposing information to that because the most common website to look up things gets changed to reflect some shaithead hipster's ideal of music.
 
2013-02-12 03:40:24 PM  

roc6783: Burr: roc6783: ***snip***

My second one slept for about an hour a night....(in 10 min intervals throughout the night)

She is a year old now, and will sleep for about 4 hours before crying for 30 mins then going back to sleep. If she doesn't sound stressed out, I just ignore her.

/she is the demon possessed ginger that I love with all my heart and soul (since I'm pretty sure she stole my soul the day she was conceived)

*internetfistpound*

I am just hoping she survives to the age where we can just tell her to amuse herself in her bedroom if she wakes up, then go back to sleep, since at this point she just starts screaming until someone her mother gets her.  She really has no interest in me at night and 9 of 10 times will just keep her head pointed in the direction of our bedroom door and cry until my wife comes and takes her from me.  My wife hasn't slept for more than 4 hours in a row in 18 months and usually sleeps for less than 2 hours in a row.  She is very much at the end of her ability to cope (she stays home with our daughter too so she never gets a real break) so I really hope something changes in the next few months.  We have tried every suggestion, besides giving her alcohol, and even our doctor's response was "Ya, sometimes kids just don't sleep much.  Sucks to be you."


Have you tried a co-sleeping arrangement (i.e. place crib next to Mommy) and/or having her place her shirt in the crib with her so she can "smell" her?

If she is feeding every 2 hours that's a sign of something like Hypoglycemia.
 
2013-02-12 03:52:37 PM  

EvilJordan: roc6783: Burr: roc6783: ***snip***

Give her to the zoo?


I'm on Fark, that was the second option I considered after ritual sacrifice by trebuchet, while wearing a Mythbuster's officially licensed beret, of course.

shortymac: roc6783: Burr: roc6783: ***snip***

Have you tried a co-sleeping arrangement (i.e. place crib next to Mommy) and/or having her place her shirt in the crib with her so she can "smell" her?

If she is feeding every 2 hours that's a sign of something like Hypoglycemia.


Yes, yes, and she isn't feeding every 2 hours, she just wakes up and yells at us.  She's like a tiny R. Lee Ermey who hates sleep as much as she hate Charlie.
 
2013-02-12 04:25:08 PM  
Came for the Amon Goethe references, leaving happy.

/you kids might remember him as the guy who was played by Ralph Fiennes in Schindler's List
 
2013-02-12 04:32:31 PM  
I want to not hate this idea. In fact I like the concept of media aimed at stay at home fathers.

But when these DBags use "source" as a verb or say "empty demarcation" with a straight face, or talk about how fatherhood is really about them and their feelings about being dads, or think $14 is a reasonable price for a farking magazine, well I feel hate rising in my gullet, kinda like when you start to vomit but just barely hold it in and swallow it back down.

Kindling: the magazine that makes you almost, but not quite, vomit.

/are they hipsters? Does it really matter what label they have? Does it make them any less pretentious?
 
2013-02-12 04:44:14 PM  

js34603: /are they hipsters?


Most likely.

Does it really matter what label they have?

No, but it does make it easier to see them as who they are and call them out for their bullshait.

Does it make them any less pretentious?

I wish it did! ...and this comment is coming from a pretentious Goth guy... (yes, the Hipsters are too farking pretentious, even for me!)
 
2013-02-12 05:16:34 PM  

keepitcherry: When did the hipsters overtake Brooklyn?


They havent.

They gentrified a few select areas (and what a shock, its the areas that are closest to manhattan), but much of the borough is still relatively untouched. This is either because that area is (a) a strong-hold of people who wont put up with their shiat (there are still many stong italian and jewish sections) or (b) because while they claim to love ethnic cultures, there are parts of brooklyn where those culture *actually* live and that is simply too much for them to handle, and will beat the shiat out of them on a daily basis.

In short: You wont find many hipsters in Bay ridge or in East New York
 
2013-02-12 07:35:22 PM  

shortymac: Also they're huge attention whores running around basically screaming "OH LOOK AT HOW UNIQUE i AM! PLEASE PAY ATTENTION TO ME!"

Try being yourself for a change FFS.


Do you guys ranting about youth culture even read the stuff you write? I just imagine you're some kid with a ponytail screaming "SLIPKNOT IS GOOD ENOUGH FOR ME IT'S GOOD ENOUGH FOR EVERYONE!"
 
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