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2013-02-11 08:07:35 PM
Boogie Nights should be in the top 10.
 
2013-02-11 08:26:59 PM
27. "Cinema Paradiso" (1988)
Definitely.  This might even be on my own personal list of the top 10 best movies of my lifetime.  On the other hand:

20. "The Royal Tenenbaums" (2001)
Uh, no. Just no.
 
2013-02-11 08:28:52 PM
I don't DO the Oscars anymore. Whoopi Goldberg got robbed when she didn't win best actress in The Color Purple. That movie should've cleaned up at the awards that year. It got ELEVEN nominations and not a single win.
 
2013-02-11 08:37:32 PM
Back to the Future?

Really?

A good enough film for its time, but hardly Best Picture material.
 
2013-02-11 08:40:33 PM

Cyberluddite: 27. "Cinema Paradiso" (1988)
Definitely.  This might even be on my own personal list of the top 10 best movies of my lifetime.  On the other hand:

20. "The Royal Tenenbaums" (2001)
Uh, no. Just no.


Agreed. Cinema Paradiso is on my Top 5 list of movies. It's just such a beautiful film. I remember just blinking a lot when I watched The Royal Tenenbaums. I remember thinking to myself, "I don't get it."
 
2013-02-11 08:58:09 PM

Cyberluddite: 27. "Cinema Paradiso" (1988)Definitely.  This might even be on my own personal list of the top 10 best movies of my lifetime.  On the other hand:


Really? Cineman Paradiso was cute and heartwarming, but, like 8 1/2, it felt too much like film-making wankery. I don't know, maybe it's just that I don't like when film makers make movies about how amazing movies are, but I prefer a movie like Hugo, which shows it's love of film and film-making, without being about films and film-making.

47. "Bringing Up Baby" (1938) - I really, really dislike this movie.

28. "The Usual Suspects" (1995) - Definitely belongs on the list

24. "City of God" (2002) - Easily the best movie on this list, IMO

1. "Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind" (2004) - Am I the only person on Earth who didn't really like this movie?
 
2013-02-11 09:05:53 PM
"Bringing Up Baby" is easily in my Top 10 favorite movies.
 
2013-02-11 09:08:28 PM
Hey look, it's another movie list from people who don't understand why people don't like the things they like.
 
2013-02-11 09:11:28 PM

nmrsnr: 1. "Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind" (2004) - Am I the only person on Earth who didn't really like this movie?


No. You are not.

SilentStrider: Back to the Future?

Really?

A good enough film for its time, but hardly Best Picture material.


Good enough to have been nominated, but there's no way it would have won. The Color Purple should have beaten Out of Africa anyway.
 
2013-02-11 09:20:05 PM

SilentStrider: Back to the Future?

Really?

A good enough film for its time, but hardly Best Picture material.


Yup.  Stopped reading right there.
 
2013-02-11 09:27:11 PM
There is probably a certain mix of Payola (cash)  and Sprayola (making sure everone has seen your film) at play here.

While I rarely to never agree with the Oscar nominations, as long as they keep making films, I'm not going to biatch too hard.
 
2013-02-11 09:32:39 PM

cmunic8r99: nmrsnr: 1. "Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind" (2004) - Am I the only person on Earth who didn't really like this movie?

No. You are not.

SilentStrider: Back to the Future?

Really?

A good enough film for its time, but hardly Best Picture material.

Good enough to have been nominated, but there's no way it would have won. The Color Purple should have beaten Out of Africa anyway.


I like you. I'm putting you on my list.
 
2013-02-11 09:35:16 PM

nmrsnr: Cyberluddite: 27. "Cinema Paradiso" (1988)Definitely.  This might even be on my own personal list of the top 10 best movies of my lifetime.  On the other hand:

Really? Cineman Paradiso was cute and heartwarming, but, like 8 1/2, it felt too much like film-making wankery. I don't know, maybe it's just that I don't like when film makers make movies about how amazing movies are, but I prefer a movie like Hugo, which shows it's love of film and film-making, without being about films and film-making.

47. "Bringing Up Baby" (1938) - I really, really dislike this movie.

28. "The Usual Suspects" (1995) - Definitely belongs on the list

24. "City of God" (2002) - Easily the best movie on this list, IMO

1. "Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind" (2004) - Am I the only person on Earth who didn't really like this movie?


No. And Jim Carrey should be banned by federal law from doing dramatic roles.
 
2013-02-11 09:38:24 PM

ecmoRandomNumbers: No. And Jim Carrey should be banned by federal law from doing dramatic roles.


The Truman Show was a decent movie. But it's the exception that proves the rule.
 
2013-02-11 09:39:04 PM

ecmoRandomNumbers: cmunic8r99: nmrsnr: 1. "Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind" (2004) - Am I the only person on Earth who didn't really like this movie?

No. You are not.

SilentStrider: Back to the Future?

Really?

A good enough film for its time, but hardly Best Picture material.

Good enough to have been nominated, but there's no way it would have won. The Color Purple should have beaten Out of Africa anyway.

I like you. I'm putting you on my list.


Hopefully not this one:
25.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-02-11 09:46:22 PM

SilentStrider: Back to the Future?

Really?

A good enough film for its time, but hardly Best Picture material.


Just because it wasn't a "serious" movie doesn't mean it wasn't well made.

Fight Club should have been #1. fark American Beauty. Pretentious bullshiat.
 
2013-02-11 09:53:43 PM

Mugato: fark American Beauty. Pretentious bullshiat.


American Beauty was probably the one winner I actually liked.
 
2013-02-11 09:56:45 PM
26. "The Dark Knight" (2008)
Here is where the "Academy is out of touch" argument gets its strongest piece of evidence, because here was a film that critics, the box office, and movie-lovers all adored.


I didn't.

Dare to ask me why.
 
2013-02-11 09:58:10 PM

Ishkur: 26. "The Dark Knight" (2008)
Here is where the "Academy is out of touch" argument gets its strongest piece of evidence, because here was a film that critics, the box office, and movie-lovers all adored.

I didn't.

Dare to ask me why.


Why didn't you like the only comic book movie I've ever liked?

/Besides Superman 2
 
2013-02-11 10:01:34 PM
The Shining for the win. That movie wasn't nominated for anything except Razzies when it first came out. Now it is widely regarded as genius. Not really typical Best Picture Fare, but there are a dozen other awards it would probably win today
 
2013-02-11 10:04:28 PM

Mugato: Just because it wasn't a "serious" movie doesn't mean it wasn't well made.


I didn't say it wasn't well made, just that I don't think it was something that I think of when I think of Best Picture.
 
2013-02-11 10:05:23 PM
If the Academy could just show us its long-form Best **** Qualification Checklist we could put this whole nonsense behind us.
 
2013-02-11 10:15:26 PM
content9.flixster.com
Malkovich, Malkovich?
www.soundonsight.org
 
2013-02-11 10:16:18 PM
syriana was pretty good.
 
2013-02-11 10:20:22 PM

nmrsnr: ecmoRandomNumbers: No. And Jim Carrey should be banned by federal law from doing dramatic roles.

The Truman Show was a decent movie. But it's the exception that proves the rule.


I'm probably going to cop a lot of flak for this, but I prefer him in dramatic roles compared to his comedic ones.  The rubber face buffoonery gets stale pretty quickly.

/I can only think of those two roles off the top of my head, but still...
 
2013-02-11 10:20:51 PM

SpikeStrip: syriana was pretty good.


If I recall correctly, Syriana was confusing as fark.
 
2013-02-11 10:21:05 PM

jaylectricity: Why didn't you like the only comic book movie I've ever liked?


I enjoyed it too, but I didn't think it was all that special. It was above average but not worthy of the hype.

See, the problem is the plot suffered from one fatal flaw: The Joker. He's too powerful.

Here's a guy that, despite being a psychotic madman who employs schizophrenics (who are apparently expendable and therefore possess no unique skills or talents), has advanced knowledge and skillset in everything demanded by the plot from logistics, project management, construction, engineering, explosives and detonation, and civil planning.

He has friends, contacts and confidants everywhere (but he doesn't use the mob because they hate him too -- he robbed then burnt all their money), he is able to procure and execute diabolical schemes in a matter of days that would take any competent team of professional engineers weeks to prepare. He can purchase or obtain any illegal weapon, controlled substance or illicit chemical while evading detection from the authorities who closely monitor those things (and somehow smuggle them in the diciest of places like warehouses, boats, or the desk drawer of a district attorney). He has no problem getting ahold of anything that his plans require, like a fleet of busses to pull off a bank robbery or a dozen security guard uniforms to blend into a parade. And he somehow procures these things under the noses of everybody.

AND he has the magical superpower known as "off-screen teleportation", meaning that if he's not on camera, he is simultaneously nowhere and anywhere -- no home, no job, no physical place he always hangs out. No locked door, fence, building or secure area is safe from him -- he always magically finds a way in. He's always one step ahead of the good guys and immune to being tracked, recorded or anticipated. Nothing is ever learned about or from him while he is in this state of superposition yet he is apparently a relentless busybody who moves with genius precision to plan, construct, engineer and execute an immense array of impressive stunts and NO ONE EVER farkING NOTICES HIM DOING THIS.

(meanwhile, Batman can't even make a custom car in his own garage without someone from his own company finding out)

The Joker dominates the film to such an extent that he is essentially a villain Mary Sue. He has no limitations, no obstacles, and no complications. He is capable of anything. If the story needs him to do something to the city, its innocent civilians, or any of the good guys including Batman, he will succeed in that purpose because fark you, the Joker is badass. Even when he's captured, it's all portrayed as being part of his plan because no one is in control of anything except him. He has contingencies for everything (because he managed to surgically put a bomb inside a man just in case something like this would happen).

It didn't make the movie fun to watch. It made him overpowered in too many areas and he never struggled with any of the plot points. Oh, wait. A detonator didn't go off once, but he jiggled it and it worked again. That was the only hiccup we ever saw in any of his plans. Everything he did was flawless and perfect.

I mean, if he did one implausible thing in the movie, I can gloss over that. Even if he did two or three, it's easy to overlook. But this guy was pulling crazy shiat out of his ass every five minutes, each with many variables and moving parts and sequences involved, and they all went off perfect, on time, without a hitch. There's at least two dozen "how did he do that"s in the movie, and it gets really annoying seeing his plans continuously pave off time after time.

I think the biggest one was when he crashes the Penthouse party. This is a fundraising gala full of the richest and most powerful people in Gotham, and he somehow got passed the lobby guards and up 30+ flights of keyfob/password-locked floors and just waltzes right in. It would be like a terrorist group crashing a Koch Bros. Teaparty Convention. Those things are crawling with security, you can't get within 500 feet of the building.

And he crashes the mob boss meeting too. How did he know it was there? How did he get through the locked doors? How did he evade security? He never seems to have a problem with these simple logistics.

And how did he know Harvey and Rachel were getting married? They didn't tell anyone but each other. Yet he teases Batman with this info. Where did he get this intelligence from? It's amazing how he always knows everything about everyone and what's going on at all times.

I can only conclude that the Joker actually has a super power. He is a teleporter.

/rant over
 
2013-02-11 10:26:10 PM

Ishkur: /rant over


Well, I see you've put a lot of thought into this. Hopefully you have found an outlet for your energy besides a random Fark post.
 
2013-02-11 10:31:56 PM

jaylectricity: Well, I see you've put a lot of thought into this. Hopefully you have found an outlet for your energy besides a random Fark post.


As a matter of fact, I have......
 
2013-02-11 10:32:03 PM

SJKebab: The rubber face buffoonery gets stale pretty quickly.


I agree, I didn't say I liked his comedic roles much better, but he makes a good one every now and again (the Mask, Liar Liar, Bruce Almighty) .

/I can only think of those two roles off the top of my head, but still...

The Majestic, The Number 23 (anyone remember that piece of garbage?), and Man on the Moon are ones I can think of off the top of my head.
 
2013-02-11 10:33:26 PM

GAT_00: SpikeStrip: syriana was pretty good.

If I recall correctly, Syriana was confusing as fark.


yeah, i've watched it a bunch of times and still don't completely understand it. i just really liked the acting, directing, cinematography et al.
 
2013-02-11 10:43:06 PM

Ishkur: jaylectricity: Well, I see you've put a lot of thought into this. Hopefully you have found an outlet for your energy besides a random Fark post.

As a matter of fact, I have......


And I didn't mean anything negative by that. Did we recently talk about you having some sort of blog, maybe about movies? It hadn't rung a bell before my last post, but suddenly I'm remembering a conversation about you having a blog.
 
2013-02-11 10:43:59 PM
And I might not have been technically in that conversation. Maybe just an observer.
 
2013-02-11 10:51:08 PM
And on the list of "Movies that never deserved jack squat." #1) Hurt Locker.
 
2013-02-11 10:51:46 PM

jaylectricity: And I didn't mean anything negative by that. Did we recently talk about you having some sort of blog, maybe about movies? It hadn't rung a bell before my last post, but suddenly I'm remembering a conversation about you having a blog.


Not movies, music.
 
2013-02-11 10:55:28 PM
That's not a half bad list, with the exception of 35.  Blade Runner

I sincerely don't get the love for this movie.
 
2013-02-11 10:57:37 PM

Ishkur: jaylectricity: And I didn't mean anything negative by that. Did we recently talk about you having some sort of blog, maybe about movies? It hadn't rung a bell before my last post, but suddenly I'm remembering a conversation about you having a blog.

Not movies, music.


OK, yes.
 
2013-02-11 11:04:04 PM

jaylectricity: OK, yes.


Sorry if I seem dismissive and terse, but yeah..... I'm cataloguing thousands of hours of music for a project to be released later this year.
 
2013-02-11 11:09:58 PM
No apologies necessary.
 
2013-02-11 11:12:03 PM

Ishkur: jaylectricity: And I didn't mean anything negative by that. Did we recently talk about you having some sort of blog, maybe about movies? It hadn't rung a bell before my last post, but suddenly I'm remembering a conversation about you having a blog.

Not movies, music.


You're that Ishkur?  I remember spending spending an evening looking through your guide and listening to samples.  Probably a decade ago.  Found a few new groups and genres from it.

Thanks for the fun.

/way off topic
 
2013-02-11 11:12:56 PM

jaylectricity: Mugato: fark American Beauty. Pretentious bullshiat.

American Beauty was probably the one winner I actually liked.loved.


The Sting too.
 
2013-02-11 11:26:48 PM
Absent from the list:

Casino
 
2013-02-11 11:27:16 PM

beautifulbob: You're that Ishkur?


Yes, I am that Ishkur.

Hold tight, new one's coming out soon. It'll have 10,000 samples to start.
 
2013-02-11 11:36:15 PM
City Of God was an amazing film and it's a damn shame more people haven't seen it.
 
2013-02-11 11:44:55 PM

nmrsnr: ecmoRandomNumbers: No. And Jim Carrey should be banned by federal law from doing dramatic roles.

The Truman Show was a decent movie. But it's the exception that proves the rule.


how can an exception prove a rule?

that really is a stupid saying.

if anything, it invalidates the rule.
 
2013-02-11 11:47:45 PM
They lost me right away on Wall-E. Not only should it have been MUCH higher on the list, but the author's description of Spirited Away as its only competition in the "best animated film of the past 25 years" argument is ludicrous.

The Iron Giant
How To Train Your Dragon
(although I don't think it's aging well -- I saw it on cable and I didn't enjoy it as much as I did in the theater)
Akira and Metropolis for your other Japanese entries
Ratatouille is a dark horse

FFS, the past 25 years includes the entire Disney renaissance.
 
2013-02-12 12:48:40 AM
And The Princess Bride has become part of our culture, and no Oscar to be had. Perhaps the Academy should have an oops category.
 
2013-02-12 01:43:01 AM

Ishkur: I think the biggest one was when he crashes the Penthouse party. This is a fundraising gala full of the richest and most powerful people in Gotham, and he somehow got passed the lobby guards and up 30+ flights of keyfob/password-locked floors and just waltzes right in. It would be like a terrorist group crashing a Koch Bros. Teaparty Convention. Those things are crawling with security, you can't get within 500 feet of the building.


Just to point out one thing: The cop that was a "hostage" in the elevator was working for Marconi (and used by the Joker)


Ishkur: And how did he know Harvey and Rachel were getting married? They didn't tell anyone but each other. Yet he teases Batman with this info. Where did he get this intelligence from? It's amazing how he always knows everything about everyone and what's going on at all times.


Joker never Batman about Rachel and Harvey marriage plan, but they did know Rachel and Harvey were lovers.  In fact, the Joker thought Harvey was Batman the way he threw himself after Rachel getting pushed out of the window.  The Joker was mocking Batman for getting between Harvey and Rachel as lovers...not that they were going to get married.
 
2013-02-12 01:46:36 AM

SpikeStrip: GAT_00: SpikeStrip: syriana was pretty good.

If I recall correctly, Syriana was confusing as fark.

yeah, i've watched it a bunch of times and still don't completely understand it. i just really liked the acting, directing, cinematography et al.


Syriana was a rather good film-that basically examines the nature of interactions in the Middle East between governments, business and Religion.  It doesn't offer any answers except "It's pretty damn complicated"  But it shows the complications.  It's all shorthand however.
 
2013-02-12 03:07:02 AM

Darth_Lukecash: Joker never Batman about Rachel and Harvey marriage plan, but they did know Rachel and Harvey were lovers. In fact, the Joker thought Harvey was Batman the way he threw himself after Rachel getting pushed out of the window. The Joker was mocking Batman for getting between Harvey and Rachel as lovers...not that they were going to get married.


Joker : Choose between one life or the other. Your friend the district attorney or his blushing bride-to-be.
 
2013-02-12 03:28:46 AM
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-02-12 03:28:59 AM
collider.com
 
2013-02-12 03:37:04 AM

Popcorn Johnny: Boogie Nights should be in the top 10.


Zuerste you are an idiot
Second this list is fail
Third I have been trolled hard
 
2013-02-12 03:41:25 AM
The Hitchcock masterpieces Rear Window, North by Northwest and Vertigo and Psycho not getting the best picture noms is a gawddarned travesty!

The fact Hitchcock never even won a Oscar still gives the academy awards a deep dark scar that is still there to this day
 
2013-02-12 03:46:29 AM
cmunic8r99:

Good enough to have been nominated, but there's no way it would have won. The Color Purple should have beaten Out of Africa anyway.

You do realize why The Color Purple was shut out in '85 don't you? What Speilburg's rep was at the time? Today, he would be considered another Micheal Bay. Nobody took his ass seriously as a "serious" director at the time.
 
2013-02-12 03:48:04 AM
Not a bad list.

5 snubs on there that gave me the biggest "WTF were they thinking?" moments would be His Girl Friday, Memento, Princess Bride, Usual Suspects and Blade Runner.

Seriously good movies with massive replayability.
 
2013-02-12 03:51:02 AM

Ishkur: Darth_Lukecash: Joker never Batman about Rachel and Harvey marriage plan, but they did know Rachel and Harvey were lovers. In fact, the Joker thought Harvey was Batman the way he threw himself after Rachel getting pushed out of the window. The Joker was mocking Batman for getting between Harvey and Rachel as lovers...not that they were going to get married.

Joker : Choose between one life or the other. Your friend the district attorney or his blushing bride-to-be.


There's several explanations, but the most likely is that the Joker was in full taunting mode and got lucky.  He used a lot of terms, like "bunny" and "Did Harvey know..." that was showing that Batman was clueless.  He probably didn't even know he was hitting close to the mark.

Harvey popped the question at the fundraiser.  She didn't even accept until right before she died.  So even SHE didn't know she was going to accept it at that point.

The Joker was clearly just aggravating Batman because he knew it was a sore spot,  and making a direct hit even knowing it was true.
 
2013-02-12 03:59:47 AM
So, apparently, The Lion King was never nominated. I know it's a children's movie and all, but come on, it's The friggin' Lion King.

Decent list, though.
 
2013-02-12 04:01:05 AM

Darth_Lukecash: There's several explanations, but the most likely is that the Joker was in full taunting mode and got lucky


HE'S LUCKY 47 TIMES IN THE MOVIE!!1

Can't he just express anything resembling a somewhat lack of perfect knowledge and understanding of every contingency and outcome, just once?

He's written as a farking god and it makes watching his ludicrous plans succeed thoroughly unenjoyable.
 
2013-02-12 04:06:48 AM

nmrsnr: 1. "Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind" (2004) - Am I the only person on Earth who didn't really like this movie?


Nope, I'm with you as well.  Not that I thought it was bad initially, it was just a boringly mediocre movie based off of what could have been a pretty interesting, if already well-explored premise common in science fiction literature that hadn't actually be brought to the big screen before (outside of Total Recall, which had a different tone entirely).

And, yeah, the main problem was that it was  tragically miscast, the whole plot was based on the characters being sympathetic and relatable and their romance being actually relatively deep and meaningful and, well,  mature.  If it's twee preteen manic pixie dream girl bullshiat with a painfully obvious transitory nature, there's not really any tragedy in the premise, it's just a pair of farking douchebags ending their obviously-temporary-to-everyone-but-them novelty-based worthless cutesy relationship in a slightly more thorough manner than normally possible.

Basically, being even slightly hip or "quirky" was an absolute death sentence to the basic premise being anything but farking retarded.  You cannot,  cannot got all 500 days of Summer or Garden State on that shiat, you have to draw on real people based big-boy experience and give us something that we, as an audience, feel is truly worth preserving.  They're damned actors and screenwriters, surely they have enough divorces between them to give us a bit more "Tangled up in Blue" and a bit less "When I Saw Her Standing There."

//But, it's a Kaufman flick, so it gets a free +30% or so on Rotten Tomatoes because all film critics are film school dropouts that live in the hope of one day licking his balls.
//I say this as someone that has no problem with absurd wish-fulfillment crap in movies, just... don't act like I'm supposed to treat your movie like srs bzns with srs themes if that's what they are.  By that logic The Raid: Redemption deserves best picture for all time ever.  Though that had a better-developed relationship subplot, too, come to think of it...
//If someone has to look up one of the film references in this post, I have done my job as a film geek (admittedly a little more pop than what I usually go for, but still).  If any of them have to look up the music references I just am not sure I want to live on this planet anymore.
 
2013-02-12 04:14:48 AM
I actually thought that list was pretty spot on until number 1. Eternal Sunshine is what 500 days of summer is going to be in 10 years.

The Shining should really have been on the list and Harry Potter 7.2 should have come off. I would accept the argument that it should have at least gotten a placeholder nomination if it was a truly good movie on it's own rights, but it's great strength was only that it paid off the book. It wasn't even the best movie in the series.

Of course, neither was Return of the King.
 
2013-02-12 04:39:40 AM
Whenever it comes to a movie like this I always have to go with "The Sweet Hereafter."  I can't think of any movie that works as well at leaving a lasting impact on those that see it.
 
2013-02-12 04:42:48 AM

ecmoRandomNumbers: I don't DO the Oscars anymore. Whoopi Goldberg got robbed when she didn't win best actress in The Color Purple. That movie should've cleaned up at the awards that year. It got ELEVEN nominations and not a single win.


You want robbed? How about Mickey Rourke losing to Sean Penn in 2009? It was horrible to see Rourke lose when he should have won yet lost to Academy politics, and Penn didn't even have a speech prepared ahead of time because he thought he wasn't going to win.
 
2013-02-12 05:07:20 AM
"I personally consider this the most unconscionable snub of the entire list"


Then why did you put it dead-last?
 
2013-02-12 05:26:19 AM
Maybe if they had ten nominees like they do now, they would have been nominated.  Would that make you feel better, Grandpa?
 
2013-02-12 06:20:39 AM

Ishkur: Darth_Lukecash: There's several explanations, but the most likely is that the Joker was in full taunting mode and got lucky

HE'S LUCKY 47 TIMES IN THE MOVIE!!1

Can't he just express anything resembling a somewhat lack of perfect knowledge and understanding of every contingency and outcome, just once?

He's written as a farking god and it makes watching his ludicrous plans succeed thoroughly unenjoyable.




I think you simultaneously over and under estimate the Joker. While I don't expect I will change your viewpoint, I will offer you this counterpoint all the same.

The Joker succeeds because he does only what is within his power. Granted his power/reach/authority seems extreme, but only when measured against the thorough incompetence of society as whole. We don't expect much, and are therefore impressed when we see much, and our brains can't handle the juxtaposition.

The Joker is a psychopathic, ADD Mensa applicant. If he hands out small jobs to people, and is able to adequately track that, things will always be precisely where he expects. It's not unrealistic, it's just abnormal for us.
 
2013-02-12 07:16:46 AM
The lack of love for Eternal Sunshine is disturbing.  Depressing, in fact.
 
2013-02-12 07:18:32 AM
could swear this is a repeat, but whatever...

as to topic
good that link mentions older films
good that link mentions foreign films


really really weird that link doesn't mention old foreign films.
tons of years from 1920-1960 should have easily had foreign films win best picture
 
2013-02-12 07:30:43 AM
Kill Bill was utter dreck and was rightfully snubbed.
 
2013-02-12 07:31:57 AM

ecmoRandomNumbers: I don't DO the Oscars anymore. Whoopi Goldberg got robbed when she didn't win best actress in The Color Purple. That movie should've cleaned up at the awards that year. It got ELEVEN nominations and not a single win.


Was she denied an "Oscar Oscar?"

/Piss on Whoopi
 
2013-02-12 07:33:56 AM
There are a lot in that list that I don't think should've ever had a nomination, but then there are quite a few that should've.

Surprised to see The Princess Bride in that list. Sure, it's a good movie, but why anyone would think it deserved a nomination is beyond me.
 
2013-02-12 07:36:15 AM

nmrsnr: 1. "Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind" (2004) - Am I the only person on Earth who didn't really like this movie?


That movie was an odd one.  It's one of those movies I really liked a lot, but would NEVER EVER EVER see again.  It's hard to describe.
 
2013-02-12 07:40:43 AM
Add "Gettysburg" (1993).  Not just missing out on the best film, it was nominated in NO categories.  Not best script for the adaptation of Michael Shaara's "The Killer Angels," or best direction, or for the stunning score, or for performances by either Jeff Daniels (Col. Joshua Chamberlain) or Martin Sheen (Gen. Robert E. Lee), or for best costuming.  I'd also have given it best cinematography for the shots of the artillery fire and Pickett's Charge because of the way that they sweep the field.

Sheen was so good in his role that the thousands of Civil War re-enactors, who take so much pride in the authenticity of their uniforms, camp gear and rifles, was greeted with "Martin! Martin! Martin!" as he rides up.  In the movie, they use the scene but change the audio so that they're chanting, "Lee! Lee! Lee!"
 
2013-02-12 07:41:52 AM
What is just about any Akira Kurosawa film.
 
2013-02-12 07:49:14 AM
Time is a better judge than the academy.

Best picture 1980 "Kramer vs Kramer" WTF is that about?

1986, "Out of Africa" Ain't seen that.

1995, "Forest Gump" okay, that one is better than Toy Story.

I'd rather have a movie that works 30 years later than an award and obscurity.
 
2013-02-12 07:55:54 AM

Ishkur: I can only conclude that the Joker actually has a super power. He is a teleporter.

/rant over


Now add a *bamf* ending and you're golden with that treatise.
 
2013-02-12 08:11:58 AM

Fluorescent Testicle: So, apparently, The Lion King was never nominated. I know it's a children's movie and all, but come on, it's The friggin' Lion King.

Decent list, though.



1994 was a crowded year for nominations. The bigger crime is that Forrest Gump beat Shawshank and Pulp Fiction.
 
2013-02-12 08:18:08 AM
Hollywood award ceremonies in general are rigged and worthless. I swore off the Emmys forever when Benedict Cumberbatch lost to Kevin Costner for best actor. Are you KIDDING me??? The best Sherlock in decades couldn't beat a man who can't find an acting job unless he directs the movie himself...ridiculous.
 
2013-02-12 08:24:40 AM

stoli n coke: Fluorescent Testicle: So, apparently, The Lion King was never nominated. I know it's a children's movie and all, but come on, it's The friggin' Lion King.

Decent list, though.


1994 was a crowded year for nominations. The bigger crime is that Forrest Gump beat Shawshank and Pulp Fiction.


or that neither Red nor White were nominated....
 
2013-02-12 08:33:40 AM
List sucks without this

ts2.mm.bing.net
 
2013-02-12 08:37:24 AM
2. 
One of cinema's cruel history lessons is this: Alfred Hitchcock never won a Best Director Oscar, and his best films never even scraped up a Best Picture. Yes, that includes "Vertigo." Now one of the most acclaimed, worshipped, studied and referenced films of all time, "Vertigo" was weaker in Oscar's eyes than "Gigi." While both films will give you nightmares ("Thank Heaven For Little Girls," anyone?), "Vertigo" remains one of the most chilling, unsettling, and original films of any given year. Whenever you get flustered that a wild and original film dodged "Best Picture," remember "Vertigo" did too, and how little it all matters.- E.R.


Of course when Vertigo first came out, the critics didn't like it.  It took a few years for people to love it.
 
2013-02-12 08:45:46 AM

wildcardjack: Time is a better judge than the academy.

Best picture 1980 "Kramer vs Kramer" WTF is that about?

1986, "Out of Africa" Ain't seen that.

1995, "Forest Gump" okay, that one is better than Toy Story.

I'd rather have a movie that works 30 years later than an award and obscurity.

 I don't know...I think that there are plenty of movies that are "known" 30 years later, but they don't really deserve an award.


But yeah, that's a "problem" with the Academy Awards...the award isn't necessarily about "the movies that will become classics or most quotable in years to come." A large chunk of the award is the backroom process of making a movie and the logistics of it, and taking certain risks (either finanicially, impossible-to-film-ily, or storywise) that are known from the insider's perspective. Also, there is a certain amount of "awarding those that have deserved it in the past, but have never gotten an award", even though those wind up in other categories (Paul Newman for "The Color of Money" being a prime example).

"Return of the King" wasn't awarded based on the merits of that movie alone, it was awarded because New Line took a freakin' huge risk, bankrolling and filming all three movies at once on a story that for the longest time Hollywood said was un-filmable; and could've ruined the company if they didn't become hits.

Also, when viewing things through the "how hard are the logistics" window, I think that this is what makes period pieces ripe for academy awards. The Artist, while kind of gimmicky, is an amazing work of capturing the look of  film techniques from the 20's. The attention to detail in that movie from a historical point is fascinating.

I think that when you look at the early 80's award-winners, what you are looking at is the industry fighting against "summer blockbuster" issue that had suddenly become rampant with the advent of "Star Wars" and "Planet of the Ape" movies. The 70's were this time where "good movies" were created to be "art" (even though I have to laugh when I see that Towering Inferno and Airport were up for awards). And now the industry was losing the "art" race to a bunch of movies that were putting in laser beams special effects. And so the industry was happy to award movies that were quieter, with popular actors, at the time.

Anyway, based on this, (and because the last two years to gave the award to smaller movies), I would expect "Les Miserable" to win this year. It was popular enough with critics and audiences, but mostly based on the backroom logistics of filming it, it's an impressive amount of filmaking. It's a period piece, it was big and hard to film (another one of those "damn we really need to make a movie out of this, but it seems impossible to do" projects that's been floating around Hollywood for 25 years), and they created a whole new way to film musicals (recording the singing live while being filmed, and then scoring the music afterwards to match the performance).
 
2013-02-12 08:47:31 AM
I like Bill Simmons' idea of waiting five years before nominating the films, like hall of fame inductions. So this year we'd be looking at the movies of 2008.
 
2013-02-12 08:52:20 AM
CIty of God is absolutely AMAZING and needs to be much, much higher on this list. It was listed as the #6 best movie of all time on IMDB at one point, if I remember correctly. Just watched it last Friday night, and I forgot how incredible the cinematography, music, and intertwining storyline really is. It's an absolutely incredible movie based on a true story.

Pan's Labyrinth is also incredibly good, and deserves much more praise than it gets. I try to watch it at least once a year, if not more. There's no other movie that has made me want to see a director's movie catalog moreso than this one. Unfortunately, I haven't seen many of Del Toro's other movies.
 
2013-02-12 08:53:49 AM
Also, WTF IMDB? You need to pay to see the listing of top movies and a ton of other stuff now?

$16 a month??? Are you f*cking kidding me?
 
2013-02-12 08:55:39 AM

rbaron71: I like Bill Simmons' idea of waiting five years before nominating the films, like hall of fame inductions. So this year we'd be looking at the movies of 2008.


Slum-dog Millionaire
The Wrestler
Wall-E
Gran Torino
Tropic Thunder
 
2013-02-12 09:02:30 AM

snowshovel: I think that when you look at the early 80's award-winners, what you are looking at is the industry fighting against "summer blockbuster" issue that had suddenly become rampant


My point is that most movies fall into obscurity and the $5 bin at WalMart within a few years and no one loves them anymore. But Star Wars, Toy Story, Forest Gump, Stand By Me are all movies that have remained on the full price shelf. Kramer Vs Kramer is available for free on Amazon Prime.
 
2013-02-12 09:04:46 AM
Stand By Me (1986)

Nominated that year for Best Picture:
Platoon
Children of a Lesser God
Room With A View
The Mission
Hannah and her Sisters


Sorry, I'm not going to be sad Stand By Me wasn't up for it.  That's a really, really strong list.
 
2013-02-12 09:05:48 AM
Whoever wrote this put together a decent list, but some of their facts are just plain wrong.  Brad Pitt's first snub was 1995 with se7en, not 1999 with fight club.

The only inclusion I truly hate is 25th hour.  It was just a guy talking about anal rape for 2 hours, and whats with Spike Lee, Ed Norton, and prison rape?  Was American History X not enough?  I don't get the love for Walle either, but I don't hate it.

Anyways Children of Men, City of God, Pan's, are great to put on there but he shouldn't have ranked them.
 
2013-02-12 09:07:04 AM

Broktun: Slum-dog Millionaire


YOU GET THE FARK OUT OF HERE RIGHT NOW.

That pos needed to stay in India.
 
2013-02-12 09:23:29 AM

Ishkur: jaylectricity: Why didn't you like the only comic book movie I've ever liked?

I enjoyed it too, but I didn't think it was all that special. It was above average but not worthy of the hype.

See, the problem is the plot suffered from one fatal flaw: The Joker. He's too powerful.

Here's a guy that, despite being a psychotic madman who employs schizophrenics (who are apparently expendable and therefore possess no unique skills or talents), has advanced knowledge and skillset in everything demanded by the plot from logistics, project management, construction, engineering, explosives and detonation, and civil planning.

He has friends, contacts and confidants everywhere (but he doesn't use the mob because they hate him too -- he robbed then burnt all their money), he is able to procure and execute diabolical schemes in a matter of days that would take any competent team of professional engineers weeks to prepare. He can purchase or obtain any illegal weapon, controlled substance or illicit chemical while evading detection from the authorities who closely monitor those things (and somehow smuggle them in the diciest of places like warehouses, boats, or the desk drawer of a district attorney). He has no problem getting ahold of anything that his plans require, like a fleet of busses to pull off a bank robbery or a dozen security guard uniforms to blend into a parade. And he somehow procures these things under the noses of everybody.

AND he has the magical superpower known as "off-screen teleportation", meaning that if he's not on camera, he is simultaneously nowhere and anywhere -- no home, no job, no physical place he always hangs out. No locked door, fence, building or secure area is safe from him -- he always magically finds a way in. He's always one step ahead of the good guys and immune to being tracked, recorded or anticipated. Nothing is ever learned about or from him while he is in this state of superposition yet he is apparently a relentless busybody who moves ...


Y CAN'T SUPERHEROES BE MOAR REALISM
 
2013-02-12 09:25:50 AM
Eternal Sunshine, a movie that appeals to the forever alone crowd who thinks that's what love looks like, and also hits the whimsy for whimsy's sake crowd.  Inch deep and a mile wide.

Empire Strikes Back, just watch the ending, a huge emotional gut punch, coupled with perhaps the most effective film score ever.  Lucas fighting with all the guilds at the time probably didn't help though.

Although I think the never ending internet love of Pixar is unearned, Toy Story is a decent movie and was a ground breaking use of technology.  That should've secured it a nomination even though it was a crowded year.
 
2013-02-12 09:50:00 AM

Ishkur: Darth_Lukecash: There's several explanations, but the most likely is that the Joker was in full taunting mode and got lucky

HE'S LUCKY 47 TIMES IN THE MOVIE!!1

Can't he just express anything resembling a somewhat lack of perfect knowledge and understanding of every contingency and outcome, just once?

He's written as a farking god and it makes watching his ludicrous plans succeed thoroughly unenjoyable.


I've always felt that Nolan's Batman was less about Batman and more about Nolan's (often contradictory) personal musings on the nature of crime and justice. Batman isn't Batman, he's a hand puppet for Justice. The villains (including the Joker) aren't the villains with identifiable characteristics and tricks of the trade, they're a hand puppet for crime and chaos. All of the extra character added to the films are simply hollow misdirection, like a magic trick. It feels empty.

Oddly, even though I liked the films for the most part as crime and justice films, I've despised them as Batman films. And it leads me to believe that's why any type of spin off or conglomeration ala Marvel's universe using Nolan's Batman as its core is doomed to fail.
 
2013-02-12 09:56:19 AM

John Buck 41: That's not a half bad list, with the exception of 35.  Blade Runner

I sincerely don't get the love for this movie.




1.bp.blogspot.com
Layers.
 
2013-02-12 10:00:11 AM

xanadian: nmrsnr: 1. "Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind" (2004) - Am I the only person on Earth who didn't really like this movie?

That movie was an odd one.  It's one of those movies I really liked a lot, but would NEVER EVER EVER see again.  It's hard to describe.


If only there was a way to wipe your memory so that you could experience it again for the first time.

Broktun: rbaron71: I like Bill Simmons' idea of waiting five years before nominating the films, like hall of fame inductions. So this year we'd be looking at the movies of 2008.

Slum-dog Millionaire
The Wrestler
Wall-E
Gran Torino
Tropic Thunder


I'd replace Gran Torino with either Frost/Nixon or In Bruges. Sorry, it's good, but overrated. Thao's acting was terrible (Walt! WAAAAAALT!), and some of the gang members look like they just walked in from whatever the local high school was producing. I liked Slumdog a lot, but I could see it being replaced too. My winner would probably be a toss-up between Wall-E and The Wrestler, though Tropic Thunder is one of the rare comedies that actually seems to get better with age.
 
2013-02-12 10:03:09 AM

thecpt: Whoever wrote this put together a decent list, but some of their facts are just plain wrong.  Brad Pitt's first snub was 1995 with se7en, not 1999 with fight club.


Brad Pitt was snubbed in 1995, but it was for 12 Monkeys, not Se7en.  And given that he lost the Oscar to Kevin Spacey in Usual Suspects, you can't even really call it a snub.

As for the list, Fight Club didn't do well at the box office at all. It didn't start being hailed as a classic until it was on video. That's the same reason I think Shawshank lost best picture in 1994. It was a great movie, but when it was in theaters, nobody saw it.
 
2013-02-12 10:05:25 AM

stoli n coke: thecpt: Whoever wrote this put together a decent list, but some of their facts are just plain wrong.  Brad Pitt's first snub was 1995 with se7en, not 1999 with fight club.

Brad Pitt was snubbed in 1995, but it was for 12 Monkeys, not Se7en.  And given that he lost the Oscar to Kevin Spacey in Usual Suspects, you can't even really call it a snub.

As for the list, Fight Club didn't do well at the box office at all. It didn't start being hailed as a classic until it was on video. That's the same reason I think Shawshank lost best picture in 1994. It was a great movie, but when it was in theaters, nobody saw it.


That and I'm not sure that anything was going to overtake the colossus that was Forrest Gump that year. I was only 10 at the time, but I remember that movie (and the push for Hanks to win his second straight Oscar) being EVERYWHERE.
 
2013-02-12 10:06:35 AM

picodenico: Pan's Labyrinth is also incredibly good, and deserves much more praise than it gets.


wat

That movie is incredible but it couldn't possibly get more praise than it does
 
2013-02-12 10:07:20 AM

stoli n coke: Brad Pitt was snubbed in 1995, but it was for 12 Monkeys, not Se7en.


Five thousand dollars!  Five thousand dollars!
 
2013-02-12 10:08:22 AM

Incorrigible Astronaut: In Bruges


Not in farking bruges
 
2013-02-12 10:10:10 AM

wildcardjack: Kramer Vs Kramer is available for free on Amazon Prime.


And it sucks, along with Ordinary People
 
2013-02-12 10:10:37 AM

stoli n coke: Brad Pitt was snubbed in 1995, but it was for 12 Monkeys, not Se7en.  And given that he lost the Oscar to Kevin Spacey in Usual Suspects, you can't even really call it a snub.


I was going with what the author listed.  They had their time line wrong is what I was getting at.  Saying Pitt deserved the nomination for either movie is a stretch and from what I can tell, you don't need box office success for nominations.

Author also mentioned that Nolan was snubbed for Inception.  I'm one of the biggest Nolan fans on here, but c'mon.  That movie was so dumbed down and didn't have much of a soul.
 
2013-02-12 10:10:57 AM

Incorrigible Astronaut: xanadian: nmrsnr: 1. "Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind" (2004) - Am I the only person on Earth who didn't really like this movie?

That movie was an odd one.  It's one of those movies I really liked a lot, but would NEVER EVER EVER see again.  It's hard to describe.

If only there was a way to wipe your memory so that you could experience it again for the first time.

Broktun: rbaron71: I like Bill Simmons' idea of waiting five years before nominating the films, like hall of fame inductions. So this year we'd be looking at the movies of 2008.

Slum-dog Millionaire
The Wrestler
Wall-E
Gran Torino
Tropic Thunder

I'd replace Gran Torino with either Frost/Nixon or In Bruges. Sorry, it's good, but overrated. Thao's acting was terrible (Walt! WAAAAAALT!), and some of the gang members look like they just walked in from whatever the local high school was producing. I liked Slumdog a lot, but I could see it being replaced too. My winner would probably be a toss-up between Wall-E and The Wrestler, though Tropic Thunder is one of the rare comedies that actually seems to get better with age.



I still contend that if Heath Ledger was still alive, Downey would have won the Oscar that year.
As for best picture in 2008, I'd have to go with The Wrestler. Rourke was flat-out robbed.
 
2013-02-12 10:10:58 AM

picodenico: Also, WTF IMDB? You need to pay to see the listing of top movies and a ton of other stuff now?

$16 a month??? Are you f*cking kidding me?


wat

http://www.imdb.com/chart/top
 
2013-02-12 10:12:58 AM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: Incorrigible Astronaut: In Bruges

Not in farking bruges


Maybe it was the time/place that I saw it, but I farking loved that movie.
 
2013-02-12 10:13:25 AM

stoli n coke: It was a great movie, but when it was in theaters, nobody saw it.


How many people saw "Black Swan", before the oscar buzz?
 
2013-02-12 10:13:50 AM

Leader O'Cola: or that neither Red nor White were nominated....


alltheragefaces.com
 
2013-02-12 10:14:26 AM

Incorrigible Astronaut: The All-Powerful Atheismo: Incorrigible Astronaut: In Bruges

Not in farking bruges

Maybe it was the time/place that I saw it, but I farking loved that movie.


That was a quote from the movie.
I enjoyed it but it was way more depressing than I was led to believe.
 
2013-02-12 10:14:52 AM
stoli n coke:
As for best picture in 2008, I'd have to go with The Wrestler. Rourke was flat-out robbed.

This.
 
2013-02-12 10:15:05 AM

Broktun: stoli n coke: It was a great movie, but when it was in theaters, nobody saw it.

How many people saw "Black Swan", before the oscar buzz?


Uh, like tons of people?
Everyone went to see that movie for the lesbo scene.  I know I did.
 
2013-02-12 10:16:39 AM

thecpt: The only inclusion I truly hate is 25th hour.  It was just a guy talking about anal rape for 2 hours, and whats with Spike Lee, Ed Norton, and prison rape?  Was American History X not enough?  I don't get the love for Walle either, but I don't hate it.


Interesting. I loved 25th hour. One of my favorites, but the angry NY scene (Ed Norton telling all the groups to fark you) was too similar to the angry New Yorkers scene from "Do The Right Thing". Once thing I got out of the list, the author likes Spike Lee. As there were 3 Spike Lee moves listed.

I looked up Spike Lee in IMDB and I actually forget that Spike Lee really is a great director and has made a lot of great movies. Do the Right Thing, 25th Hour, Malcom X, Inside Man and to a lesser extent Bamboozled, He Got Game, Crooklyn and Summer of Sam. It's actually pretty stunning that he's never been nominated for a Best Director Oscar..
 
2013-02-12 10:16:41 AM

Leader O'Cola: tons of years from 1927-1960 should have easily had foreign films win best picture


ftfy...
 
2013-02-12 10:17:20 AM

JohnHall: thecpt: The only inclusion I truly hate is 25th hour.  It was just a guy talking about anal rape for 2 hours, and whats with Spike Lee, Ed Norton, and prison rape?  Was American History X not enough?  I don't get the love for Walle either, but I don't hate it.

Interesting. I loved 25th hour. One of my favorites, but the angry NY scene (Ed Norton telling all the groups to fark you) was too similar to the angry New Yorkers scene from "Do The Right Thing". Once thing I got out of the list, the author likes Spike Lee. As there were 3 Spike Lee moves listed.

I looked up Spike Lee in IMDB and I actually forget that Spike Lee really is a great director and has made a lot of great movies. Do the Right Thing, 25th Hour, Malcom X, Inside Man and to a lesser extent Bamboozled, He Got Game, Crooklyn and Summer of Sam. It's actually pretty stunning that he's never been nominated for a Best Director Oscar..


Summer of Sam Sucked.  Seriously.
 
2013-02-12 10:23:11 AM

JohnHall: Interesting. I loved 25th hour. One of my favorites, but the angry NY scene (Ed Norton telling all the groups to fark you) was too similar to the angry New Yorkers scene from "Do The Right Thing". Once thing I got out of the list, the author likes Spike Lee. As there were 3 Spike Lee moves listed.

I looked up Spike Lee in IMDB and I actually forget that Spike Lee really is a great director and has made a lot of great movies. Do the Right Thing, 25th Hour, Malcom X, Inside Man and to a lesser extent Bamboozled, He Got Game, Crooklyn and Summer of Sam. It's actually pretty stunning that he's never been nominated for a Best Director Oscar..


something about the characters he writes makes me not like his movies, and then I find out how much of an a-hole he is in real life (although I try not to let that effect how I see his work).  His characters just wreak of how he sees the world full of people who are black and white on the issue of race (pun kind of intended).  I understand that he is like a love him or hate him kind of guy, so you're onto something that the author included 3 of his movies.

I completely stopped watching his work after Miracle at Santa Anna.  Oh my gawd that thing was awful.
 
2013-02-12 10:25:22 AM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: Broktun: stoli n coke: It was a great movie, but when it was in theaters, nobody saw it.

How many people saw "Black Swan", before the oscar buzz?

Uh, like tons of people?
Everyone went to see that movie for the lesbo scene.  I know I did.


I thought that movie premiered with Oscar buzz.  Arenofsky movie premiering during oscar buzz months about a ballerina?

I love that movie, but IMO The Social Network was robbed that year.
 
2013-02-12 10:31:46 AM

John Buck 41: That's not a half bad list, with the exception of 35.  Blade Runner

I sincerely don't get the love for this movie.


Fine. I seriously don't get why some people don't get it.
 
2013-02-12 11:07:46 AM

wildcardjack: Time is a better judge than the academy.

Best picture 1980 "Kramer vs Kramer" WTF is that about?

1986, "Out of Africa" Ain't seen that.

1995, "Forest Gump" okay, that one is better than Toy Story.

I'd rather have a movie that works 30 years later than an award and obscurity.


No.  No, it's not.
 
2013-02-12 11:18:22 AM
37."25th Hour" (2002)
It's still the best movie about 9/11 ever, approaching it as it does impressionistically and at right angles. Spike Lee's story was nominally about Edward Norton living his last day of freedom before being sent to prison, but it was really about post-WTC angst, about defiant NYC pride, about fathers and sons and the fantasy of a happy ending. Not sure why it wasn't able to get any awards traction (too soon? too oblique?), but when those end-of decade lists came out, "25th Hour" got its due credit at last. - J.R.


I don't know if it's been talked about yet, but this all bears repeating.  25th Hour is really fantastically good.  Not only good, it's one of the few pieces of popular culture that reflected on 9/11 with any kind of weight, respect, and intelligence.  Just the other day I was thinking about Brian Cox's "this never would have happened" extended monologue at the end, when he imagines Monty going out west to make up a new life.  It's all about living up to the consequences of your actions, no matter how much you dread them.  Amazing stuff, in my opinion, and the diametric opposite of what we, at a nation, were actually doing, going to war with a country we had no business fighting, losing money left and right, devoting our political powers to a cretinous administration and its really, really shaky moral fiber.
 
2013-02-12 11:18:45 AM
dawncompk.files.wordpress.com
Am I really the first with this?
 
2013-02-12 11:23:30 AM
Oscars == BCS Rankings, at least for the non-technical categories.
 
2013-02-12 11:26:02 AM

simplicimus: And The Princess Bride has become part of our culture, and no Oscar to be had. Perhaps the Academy should have an oops category.


Heh, I could get behind that concept. The Should Have Won But Didn't Because We Were Too Clueless And Out Of Touch category. Also, some movies just don't age well at all.

And seriously, Stand By Me should have been nominated.
 
2013-02-12 11:30:26 AM
Wiki time....
....

Chronological misses by both:
Way too many from 1927
King Kong - I'm not sure how the ferocity of those effects could sway less consideration than a Janet Gaynor vehicle
A Night at the Opera - it was kind of a comeback, and the balance between music and comedy would've given it the leap over Naughty Marietta if not for the likely "but Duck Soup bombed" mindset around that time
Fury - Impressive how there are more Fritz Lang trademarks on screen than Code standards, and a twist that still slightly surprising today thanks to those trademarks
Alexander Nevsky - That influential battle scene, and the threats foreshadowed
Angels with Dirty Faces - for that ending
A Matter of Life and Death - that imagery
Sansho the Bailiff - dusty right now
Richard III - Of the many Olivier Shakespeare ventures, this seemed more fun; but probably because I watched it from a different perspective after becoming interested in it by watching the Filth and the Fury
The Man with the Golden Arm - helluva gripping message film
The Innocents -  polished enough to make the Academy forget momentarily that it's horror, no matter how... nevermind, SPOILERS
2001: A Space OdyalsdE#URJOED#( WHAT?!? - that got snubbed??? Even by those three?
Once Upon a Time in the West - Like 2001, it has a length and even scenes intended to break you into walking away, but fails at both with that atmosphere; and I say that while still having issues getting past the opening scenes of each Dollar trilogy entry
Panic in Needle Park - appropriate for those in the Academy that had soul-crushing preferences
Badlands - though I can understand the Academy not wanting to pass up a British film with Glenda Jackson (yum) for viewing pleasure
Slapshot - parody of trends at the time, and the Academy had a healthy enough love affair with Paul Newman/George Roy Hill pairings that it would have made it or missed by low amounts
Ran - Arrow to the knee eye! And everything else was awesome too, of course.
Mona Lisa - nice bit of neo-noir
Grave of the Fireflies - the more I say, the dustier it gets, sorry
The Killer - okay, a stretch, but the plot's drama could've caught someone's attention when they weren't ducking
Glory - just seems obvious


Oh and Summoner101:  just about any (other) Akira Kurosawa film.


/same goes for Chaplin
// will probably delve into the 90s and beyond later
 
2013-02-12 11:31:16 AM

Broktun: stoli n coke: It was a great movie, but when it was in theaters, nobody saw it.

How many people saw "Black Swan", before the oscar buzz?


Natalie Portman lesbian scene? You bet your sweet ass I saw it before the buzz.
 
2013-02-12 11:39:44 AM
Mickey Rooney ruined Breakfast at Tiffany's for me.  Also the fact that Holly Golightly was a terrible, terrible character.

Also, The Royal Tenenbaums sucked.  People only like it because they think they're supposed to like it.  It's completely self-indulgent garbage.
 
2013-02-12 12:08:15 PM

INeedAName: The Joker succeeds because he does only what is within his power the plot wants him to.


FTFY.
 
2013-02-12 12:36:19 PM
2 movies I'm surprised didn't make the list:

Heat (my #1 for 1995 and the gold standard for shootouts pre-Matrix).
Zodiac (my #1 for 2007; just might be Fincher's best film and that's saying something considering Se7en, Fight Club, The Social Network and The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo are masterpieces as well).
 
2013-02-12 12:38:21 PM
I agree with most of the list except {insert popular movie here}. I never really got that one.
 
2013-02-12 12:59:34 PM
List is FAIL without Radio.

Cuba Gooding should have gotten best actor for that role. He NAILED it.
 
2013-02-12 01:03:41 PM

IC Stars: John Buck 41: That's not a half bad list, with the exception of 35.  Blade Runner

I sincerely don't get the love for this movie.

Fine. I seriously don't get why some people don't get it.


Blade Runner is a gorgeous movie that inspired the sci-fi look of countless films.  It is also boring and almost insufferable to watch, the voiceover is boring and monotonous, the villian bland and pointess, the concept ridiculous (who cares if robots live longer) and it is simply not the great film that avid fans would try and have you believe.  I am a huge sci-fi fan.  I love Harrison Ford as an actor and have seen most of his films.  Ridley Scott tends to make incredible films.  And yet the sum total of Blade Runner is a pretty but mostly boring-to-tears movie that movie-goers avoided and critics destroyed.  It has become a cult classic and is highly rated, but most people that watch that movie either can't finish it or watch all of it and hate it.

Sorry.
 
2013-02-12 01:07:33 PM

rbaron71: I like Bill Simmons' idea of waiting five years before nominating the films, like hall of fame inductions. So this year we'd be looking at the movies of 2008.


That's actually not a bad idea
 
2013-02-12 01:19:59 PM

GavinTheAlmighty: Mickey Rooney ruined Breakfast at Tiffany's for me.  Also the fact that Holly Golightly was a terrible, terrible character.

Also, The Royal Tenenbaums sucked.  People only like it because they think they're supposed to like it.  It's completely self-indulgent garbage.


this right here.  TRT is a terrible film.
 
2013-02-12 01:23:20 PM

GAT_00: SpikeStrip: syriana was pretty good.

If I recall correctly, Syriana was confusing as fark.


What was confusing? The ending was deliberately ambiguous but I didn't find anything confusing.
 
2013-02-12 01:57:29 PM
nmrsnr:
Really? Cineman Paradiso was cute and heartwarming, but, like 8 1/2, it felt too much like film-making wankery. I don't know, maybe it's just that I don't like when film makers make movies about how amazing movies are, but I prefer a movie like Hugo, which shows it's love of film and film-making, without being about films and film-making.

I thought that's exactly what Hugo came across as.  I must be one of the few who just really disliked it.  The story was weak and took a backseat to Scorcese's "look at how awesome cinema is" diversions.  He should have just made a film about Melies without trying to incorporate all of the other nonsense.
 
2013-02-12 02:00:16 PM

Phins: GAT_00: SpikeStrip: syriana was pretty good.

If I recall correctly, Syriana was confusing as fark.

What was confusing? The ending was deliberately ambiguous but I didn't find anything confusing.


I can see how some would find it confusing.  There was a lot going on.

I recently watched it again after reading Robert Baer's "See No evil."  That definitely added some depth to the Clooney character for me.
 
2013-02-12 02:09:13 PM

John Buck 41: That's not a half bad list, with the exception of 35.  Blade Runner

I sincerely don't get the love for this movie.


Rutger Hauer at the peak of his career and a young Daryl Hannah trying to crush someone's head with her thighs. What's not to love?
 
2013-02-12 02:31:51 PM

Wellon Dowd: [collider.com image 850x660]


Came for this, leaving satisfied.
 
2013-02-12 02:40:50 PM

frepnog: IC Stars: John Buck 41: That's not a half bad list, with the exception of 35.  Blade Runner

I sincerely don't get the love for this movie.

Fine. I seriously don't get why some people don't get it.

Blade Runner is a gorgeous movie that inspired the sci-fi look of countless films.  It is also boring and almost insufferable to watch, the voiceover is boring and monotonous, the villian bland and pointess, the concept ridiculous (who cares if robots live longer) and it is simply not the great film that avid fans would try and have you believe.  I am a huge sci-fi fan.  I love Harrison Ford as an actor and have seen most of his films.  Ridley Scott tends to make incredible films.  And yet the sum total of Blade Runner is a pretty but mostly boring-to-tears movie that movie-goers avoided and critics destroyed.  It has become a cult classic and is highly rated, but most people that watch that movie either can't finish it or watch all of it and hate it.

Sorry.


Most people? Citation needed.
 
2013-02-12 03:57:50 PM

IC Stars: frepnog: IC Stars: John Buck 41: That's not a half bad list, with the exception of 35.  Blade Runner

I sincerely don't get the love for this movie.

Fine. I seriously don't get why some people don't get it.

Blade Runner is a gorgeous movie that inspired the sci-fi look of countless films.  It is also boring and almost insufferable to watch, the voiceover is boring and monotonous, the villian bland and pointess, the concept ridiculous (who cares if robots live longer) and it is simply not the great film that avid fans would try and have you believe.  I am a huge sci-fi fan.  I love Harrison Ford as an actor and have seen most of his films.  Ridley Scott tends to make incredible films.  And yet the sum total of Blade Runner is a pretty but mostly boring-to-tears movie that movie-goers avoided and critics destroyed.  It has become a cult classic and is highly rated, but most people that watch that movie either can't finish it or watch all of it and hate it.

Sorry.

Most people? Citation needed.


Yeah, most of the people I know who have seen it love it and say it's one of their favorites.
 
2013-02-12 03:57:59 PM
Quite a few of the newer films on that list weren't even the best movie in the theater they were being shown in, nevermind worthy of consideration for Best Picture.
 
2013-02-12 04:05:32 PM
ecmo:
I don't DO the Oscars anymore. Whoopi Goldberg got robbed when she didn't win best actress in The Color Purple. That movie should've cleaned up at the awards that year. It got ELEVEN nominations and not a single win.


The backlash from the black community, led by a media blitz, killed the Color Purple. There was a segment of the population that was appalled that old southern dirty laundry and oppression could be told by a Jewish director and the backlash pushed the Academy into a defensive position. Instead of allowing CP to sweep all of the awards as it should have, it became a political issue that Hollywood didnt want. The backlash was felt all the way through the late 80's (see Do The Right Thing ommission) until it settled at the feet of Malcolm X, which was originally supposed to be filmed by Norman Jewison.

I respect George C Scott for the simple fact that he turned down his Oscar.  'I dont act for awards".....well done.
 
2013-02-12 04:08:05 PM
In regards to Blade Runner, the original cut is underwhelming. The director's cut is better. Same w/ Kingdom of Heaven.
 
2013-02-12 04:12:13 PM

frepnog: IC Stars: John Buck 41: That's not a half bad list, with the exception of 35.  Blade Runner

I sincerely don't get the love for this movie.

Fine. I seriously don't get why some people don't get it.

Blade Runner is a gorgeous movie that inspired the sci-fi look of countless films.  It is also boring and almost insufferable to watch, the voiceover is boring and monotonous, the villian bland and pointess, the concept ridiculous (who cares if robots live longer) and it is simply not the great film that avid fans would try and have you believe.  I am a huge sci-fi fan.  I love Harrison Ford as an actor and have seen most of his films.  Ridley Scott tends to make incredible films.  And yet the sum total of Blade Runner is a pretty but mostly boring-to-tears movie that movie-goers avoided and critics destroyed.  It has become a cult classic and is highly rated, but most people that watch that movie either can't finish it or watch all of it and hate it.

Sorry.


Which cut are you referring to? Because there's quite a difference.
 
2013-02-12 05:01:21 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: nmrsnr: ecmoRandomNumbers: No. And Jim Carrey should be banned by federal law from doing dramatic roles.

The Truman Show was a decent movie. But it's the exception that proves the rule.

how can an exception prove a rule?

that really is a stupid saying.

if anything, it invalidates the rule.


I believe this is a bastardisation of "The exception  proofs the rule", as in puts it to the test.
 
2013-02-12 05:37:31 PM

Gleeman: Which cut are you referring to? Because there's quite a difference.


Really.
 
2013-02-12 08:54:44 PM

Gleeman: frepnog: IC Stars: John Buck 41: That's not a half bad list, with the exception of 35. Blade Runner

I sincerely don't get the love for this movie.

Fine. I seriously don't get why some people don't get it.

Blade Runner is a gorgeous movie that inspired the sci-fi look of countless films. It is also boring and almost insufferable to watch, the voiceover is boring and monotonous, the villian bland and pointess, the concept ridiculous (who cares if robots live longer) and it is simply not the great film that avid fans would try and have you believe. I am a huge sci-fi fan. I love Harrison Ford as an actor and have seen most of his films. Ridley Scott tends to make incredible films. And yet the sum total of Blade Runner is a pretty but mostly boring-to-tears movie that movie-goers avoided and critics destroyed. It has become a cult classic and is highly rated, but most people that watch that movie either can't finish it or watch all of it and hate it.

Sorry.

Which cut are you referring to? Because there's quite a difference.



In all fairness, the theatrical cut is the one which would have been nominated had the academy chosen to nominate it, so it's a fair target for criticism even though it's generally recognized as the crappiest cut of them all.

Frepnog, if you're still around, I'd highly suggest watching one of the Final Cut instead. The voiceover work in the original does wonders to destroy the mood of the film. However, asking "who cares if robots live longer" should yield the immediate answer "the robots themselves." This is not a minor plot point, it's the point of the entire movie; and all of Roy's actions during the movie (and especially the last fight) were one last, desperate, attempt to prove that he's more than just a malfunctioning machine. And it works, too. Roy and Rachel's experiences with Deckard, one of the best replicant-hunters alive, ultimately convince Deckard to take Rachel under his protection.
 
2013-02-12 09:02:33 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: nmrsnr: ecmoRandomNumbers: No. And Jim Carrey should be banned by federal law from doing dramatic roles.

The Truman Show was a decent movie. But it's the exception that proves the rule.

how can an exception prove a rule?

that really is a stupid saying.

if anything, it invalidates the rule.


The phrase is old enough that "prove" is used in a way that's unfamiliar (except in other phrases like "proving ground"). It means "subject to a rigorous test" rather than "show to be true".
 
2013-02-12 09:24:33 PM

nmrsnr: Cyberluddite: 27. "Cinema Paradiso" (1988)Definitely.  This might even be on my own personal list of the top 10 best movies of my lifetime.  On the other hand:

Really? Cineman Paradiso was cute and heartwarming, but, like 8 1/2, it felt too much like film-making wankery. I don't know, maybe it's just that I don't like when film makers make movies about how amazing movies are, but I prefer a movie like Hugo, which shows it's love of film and film-making, without being about films and film-making.

47. "Bringing Up Baby" (1938) - I really, really dislike this movie.

28. "The Usual Suspects" (1995) - Definitely belongs on the list

24. "City of God" (2002) - Easily the best movie on this list, IMO

1. "Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind" (2004) - Am I the only person on Earth who didn't really like this movie?


No wonder I have you favorited. I'd agree with everything but I haven't seen City of God. Now I have to.
 
2013-02-12 09:31:47 PM

JohnHall: thecpt: The only inclusion I truly hate is 25th hour.  It was just a guy talking about anal rape for 2 hours, and whats with Spike Lee, Ed Norton, and prison rape?  Was American History X not enough?  I don't get the love for Walle either, but I don't hate it.

Interesting. I loved 25th hour. One of my favorites, but the angry NY scene (Ed Norton telling all the groups to fark you) was too similar to the angry New Yorkers scene from "Do The Right Thing". Once thing I got out of the list, the author likes Spike Lee. As there were 3 Spike Lee moves listed.

I looked up Spike Lee in IMDB and I actually forget that Spike Lee really is a great director and has made a lot of great movies. Do the Right Thing, 25th Hour, Malcom X, Inside Man and to a lesser extent Bamboozled, He Got Game, Crooklyn and Summer of Sam. It's actually pretty stunning that he's never been nominated for a Best Director Oscar..


Not that it's a valid reason, but I'm guessing the strong possibility that many voters think he's an asshole may have something to do with it.
 
2013-02-12 09:49:17 PM

frepnog: IC Stars: John Buck 41: That's not a half bad list, with the exception of 35.  Blade Runner

I sincerely don't get the love for this movie.

Fine. I seriously don't get why some people don't get it.

Blade Runner is a gorgeous movie that inspired the sci-fi look of countless films.  It is also boring and almost insufferable to watch, the voiceover is boring and monotonous, the villian bland and pointess, the concept ridiculous (who cares if robots live longer) and it is simply not the great film that avid fans would try and have you believe.  I am a huge sci-fi fan.  I love Harrison Ford as an actor and have seen most of his films.  Ridley Scott tends to make incredible films.  And yet the sum total of Blade Runner is a pretty but mostly boring-to-tears movie that movie-goers avoided and critics destroyed.  It has become a cult classic and is highly rated, but most people that watch that movie either can't finish it or watch all of it and hate it.

Sorry.


You articulated the issue much better than I could've. Unless you're trolling and just making fun of me for not liking this POS.
 
2013-02-12 09:59:50 PM

Trocadero: In regards to Blade Runner, the original cut is underwhelming. The director's cut is better.


I have the director's cut. If that's good, I can't imagine how dreadful the theater version is.
 
2013-02-12 10:30:39 PM

John Buck 41: frepnog: IC Stars: John Buck 41: That's not a half bad list, with the exception of 35.  Blade Runner

I sincerely don't get the love for this movie.

Fine. I seriously don't get why some people don't get it.

Blade Runner is a gorgeous movie that inspired the sci-fi look of countless films.  It is also boring and almost insufferable to watch, the voiceover is boring and monotonous, the villian bland and pointess, the concept ridiculous (who cares if robots live longer) and it is simply not the great film that avid fans would try and have you believe.  I am a huge sci-fi fan.  I love Harrison Ford as an actor and have seen most of his films.  Ridley Scott tends to make incredible films.  And yet the sum total of Blade Runner is a pretty but mostly boring-to-tears movie that movie-goers avoided and critics destroyed.  It has become a cult classic and is highly rated, but most people that watch that movie either can't finish it or watch all of it and hate it.

Sorry.

You articulated the issue much better than I could've. Unless you're trolling and just making fun of me for not liking this POS.


No troll. I totally stand by what I said there. I have tried to make myself like the film, but it is just not a good movie.
 
2013-02-12 10:52:36 PM

frepnog: John Buck 41: frepnog: IC Stars: John Buck 41: That's not a half bad list, with the exception of 35.  Blade Runner

I sincerely don't get the love for this movie.

Fine. I seriously don't get why some people don't get it.

Blade Runner is a gorgeous movie that inspired the sci-fi look of countless films.  It is also boring and almost insufferable to watch, the voiceover is boring and monotonous, the villian bland and pointess, the concept ridiculous (who cares if robots live longer) and it is simply not the great film that avid fans would try and have you believe.  I am a huge sci-fi fan.  I love Harrison Ford as an actor and have seen most of his films.  Ridley Scott tends to make incredible films.  And yet the sum total of Blade Runner is a pretty but mostly boring-to-tears movie that movie-goers avoided and critics destroyed.  It has become a cult classic and is highly rated, but most people that watch that movie either can't finish it or watch all of it and hate it.

Sorry.

You articulated the issue much better than I could've. Unless you're trolling and just making fun of me for not liking this POS.

No troll. I totally stand by what I said there. I have tried to make myself like the film, but it is just not a good movie.


Ok. Thanks for the feedback and validation.
 
2013-02-13 05:01:15 AM
nmrsnr:  1. "Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind" (2004) - Am I the only person on Earth who didn't really like this movie?

I hate that movie. Tried watching it twice, got about halfway through, and just quit.
 
2013-02-13 05:06:40 AM

nmrsnr: 47. "Bringing Up Baby" (1938) - I really, really dislike this movie.
...
1. "Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind" (2004) - Am I the only person on Earth who didn't really like this movie?


"Didn't like" "Isn't good"
 
2013-02-13 05:15:46 AM

Ishkur: I can only conclude that the Joker actually has a super power. He is a teleporter.

/rant over


I wouldn't argue with a single point you made, but because it's a Batman movie, I just write it all off to it being based on a comic book, where this kind of stuff is a mainstay.

/not a comic book fan
 
2013-02-13 05:18:17 AM

John Buck 41: That's not a half bad list, with the exception of 35.  Blade Runner

I sincerely don't get the love for this movie.


Put yourself back in 1982, and consider the sci-fi that had been done up to that point.  "Blade Runner" was utterly groundbreaking.  It's visuals are so good that even today, they don't look dated.  The entire look of the movie is so timeless that if you didn't know what year it was made in, you wouldn't be able to guess.  How many movies from the early 1980s can you say that about?
 
2013-02-13 05:23:16 AM

loooongview1: Whenever it comes to a movie like this I always have to go with "The Sweet Hereafter."  I can't think of any movie that works as well at leaving a lasting impact on those that see it.


I'm with you, but it was nominated for Best Picture.  Both "The Sweet Hereafter" and "L.A. Confidential" were beat out by "Titanic".  Not the Academy's best year by a long shot.
 
2013-02-13 05:32:43 AM

snowshovel: But yeah, that's a "problem" with the Academy Awards...the award isn't necessarily about "the movies that will become classics or most quotable in years to come."


What's tragic is that it's a problem easily solved:  Oscars should only be awarded to movies 5 years after the fact.  I know that ruins the immediacy of "what was the best movie last year", but since they rarely even get that close to right, what's the difference anyway?  Let some time pass, and I bet judgement on these movies would be much improved.
 
2013-02-13 10:56:03 AM

karmachameleon: John Buck 41: That's not a half bad list, with the exception of 35.  Blade Runner

I sincerely don't get the love for this movie.

Put yourself back in 1982, and consider the sci-fi that had been done up to that point.  "Blade Runner" was utterly groundbreaking.  It's visuals are so good that even today, they don't look dated.  The entire look of the movie is so timeless that if you didn't know what year it was made in, you wouldn't be able to guess.  How many movies from the early 1980s can you say that about?


oh come on.  As soon Darryl Hannah walks on screen it just screams 80's.
 
2013-02-13 12:52:32 PM
Frepnog! You're still here. Care to retract your "most people" comment?

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/blade_runner/

I certainly appreciate that some people will never appreciate the film, but to say this applies to most people is a bit ludicrous.
 
2013-02-13 04:28:31 PM

thecpt: Whoever wrote this put together a decent list, but some of their facts are just plain wrong.  Brad Pitt's first snub was 1995 with se7en, not 1999 with fight club.

The only inclusion I truly hate is 25th hour.  It was just a guy talking about anal rape for 2 hours, and whats with Spike Lee, Ed Norton, and prison rape?  Was American History X not enough?  I don't get the love for Walle either, but I don't hate it.

Anyways Children of Men, City of God, Pan's, are great to put on there but he shouldn't have ranked them.


I like Wall-E quite a bit, and having watched it literally 100 times due to my kids' love of the movie, that's saying something.  I don't know where it should have ended up on the list, but I do know it's not a "silent movie."  The title character doesn't really speak, nor does the other main character - they communicate in robot language, but there are a number of speaking characters in the movie.
 
2013-02-14 02:00:27 PM

IC Stars: Frepnog! You're still here. Care to retract your "most people" comment?

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/blade_runner/

I certainly appreciate that some people will never appreciate the film, but to say this applies to most people is a bit ludicrous.


those numbers are mostly bullshiat.  yes, most regular people that watch Blade Runner farking hate it.

The movie is an 80's "action\sci-fi" film starring Harrison Ford.  It should be in perpetual showings on tv.  It is never on.  It should be on tv as much as Star Wars.  And yet it never is.  Why?  BECAUSE NO ONE WILL WATCH IT.

After-the-fact critical acclaim because it was pretty is one thing and fans claiming it is the best cult film ever are another but Blade Runner being a popular film that real people like is a stretch that it simply can not make.
 
2013-02-14 05:52:05 PM
frepnog:
those numbers are mostly bullshiat.  yes, most regular people that watch Blade Runner farking hate it.

regular people? OK -- I see now you're just trolling.
 
2013-02-14 06:57:28 PM

IC Stars: regular people? OK -- I see now you're just trolling.



Took you long enough.

Blade Runner has never NOT been broadcast at least 10 times per month since it's debut on cable (pay and/or basic).

Hell, last year in observance of its 30th Anniversary debut in theaters., the Encore channel broadcast the Theatrical Cut, the Director's Cut and the Final Cut once per day for a straight week
 
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